It's 2026 and gamers still haven't been able to refute this video. Remove Random Crits
Refutation: go back to counterstrike if you want everything to be "le balanced" and "le competitive"
>>739123274you are trans
>>739123274what is there to refute? Random crits are still in the game and valve will never listen to uncle dane ever again after he leaked Deadlock.
>think i'm shit at scout>play on community server without random spread>suddenly good at scout
>>739123274Kill yourself, Dane>>739124942Oh hell, never considered that
>>739123274randomness adds more fun.
I started playing TF2 in like 2009 and stopped playing in 2011.I know I know, newfag who missed the golden age.But at the time TF2 was the casual game you boot up if you just want some mindless fun.Mindless not in the sense of "do whatever the fuck you want and screw my team", but mindless in the sense of "win or lose, had fun".At what point did TF2 become this super serious business game for the community?
This stopped being a problem when they added the nocrit server setting in 2008
>>739123274It has been refutes a million times
If he or any youtuber were right at all about the shit they said it wouldn't have been a ten year campaign desperately trying to convince people they had a legitmate grievance crying that the game cheated.Same with the quickplay fags that say Valve is "stealing" players from their servers and not that they're annoying faggots that people don't like.
The only people who don't like random crits are those who take TF2 too seriously.If you have a bind which apologies for getting a random crit or one which malds when you get hit by a random crit I do not value your opinion.Go play a Dane server.
>>739127421>The only people who don't like random crits are those who take TF2 too seriously.Wrong.
>>739123274my refutation is that random crits are still in the game and you still have 10.3TB of bara porn on your hard drive OP
>some random fucktard makes a video claiming 1+1=3>"heh... people still haven't been able to refute this..."
>>739124942He didn't leak it though? He only streamed it to his friends... big difference!
>>739123274tf2 is a casual game, and will always be. Besides, game should be balanced around TEAM mechanics, not faggot solo retards like soldier and scout.
Remove Comp Fags
Dane does podcasts with iDubbbz and his hellspawn of a wife, his fate is worse than death.
All these youtubers are fighting the wrong fight.Random bullet spread should be removed not random crits. I love my enemy surviving with 10HP because my pellets made a looney tunes outline around them.
>>739129248this, random spread is actual aids
>>739123274Here's a refutation:"They're not getting removed."
Remove random crits from explosive weapons.
Here's my refutation: uncle dane didn't start playing until MvM and admitted to playing literally nothing but engi for his first 4 years. His opinion is not only invalid, you should assume whatever he says is wrong by default.
>>739123274Also... remove random item drops. I hate slot machine mechanics. anyone who puts a rare 1% drop rate item in anything is just a fucking asshole in my book.
>>739124942>Bots killed because Uncle dane is a fucking retard and got a legal notice to quit being a nigger because he leaked deadlock>TFtumors permanently not listened to regarding the game because of said same situation>Their perpetually empty servers and shit like nobodyplaystf2unlesstheynerfsniper.faggot which are now being paid attention to by Valve proving that the data is completely fucking bunk and they're of no influenceHe doesn't deserve credit for it, but it's funny he blew up all the bargaining chips they had because he could help but be a fag about exclusive access to a SMNC spiritual successor.
Removing random crits is retarded, what you do is remove the shit that makes random crits less random because one thing about random crits is that they become slightly more common the more damage you've done previously, this is why Demo's skullcutter starts doing incredible amounts of critical hits to the point you get like 60% chance to crit shit.If crits were TRULY random and could not be manipulated by any means (especially including crit hacks) then random crits would not feel godawful and would actually be stalemate breakers instead of shit that allows the winning team to win more.But hey, i get it, people wanna pretend they're competitors so they want the game to be "fair", might as well pretend niggas got integrity and take effortless shortcuts.
>>739129248>>739129829That stays and if they ever decide to fuck with the game again they should put damage spread back on as a default server setting.
Random crits stopped being funny over a decade agoJust how much of a cuck do you have to be to enjoy watching the game play itself?
>>739127359>he is still seething and crying about community servers
>>739130394Yeah no everyone's totally seething and crying about Uncle Faggot's Gaylord Shack and it's 0/24 playersPeople will start to believe this 5 years from now when you're still angrily screaming at people who don't want to play vidya with you in your exclusive club of nobody.
>>739128207tamers owes us flora sex
I dont wanna hear anything from a community that complained about the base jumper and vita saw.
>>739131043vita saw is balanced but the base jumper was genuinely broken on release
>>739131145You know it doesn't cost you anything to make it obvious you have nothing of value to say.
>>739131145
Random crits are anti fun and the people who defend them are contrarians who haven't played the game in ten years.
>>739131237nigga, it was easily outclassing gunboats and mantreads because you didn't have to rocket jump as often and the air control was completely busted, way stronger than the mantreads' AND it could redeploy in the air with no downsides pre-nerf if you wanted to do rocket jump stuff, it was objectively the best option
>>739131478>He said still living in 2016 where it was at all feasible for Valve to listen to retarded youtubers and their terrible opinions like they're right about ANYTHING.
>>739123274random crits are great
>>739131567Nigga I don't give a fuck about youtubers, we're talking about random crits
>>739123274it was already refuted by the dev commentary that came out in 2007, which is of course around the time you were born
>>739131718No, they're retarded anti fun dogshit. They punish the shit out of you for using any strategy besides the most dominant ones and they contribute to almost every match being a steam roll.
>>739131806>anti funrandom crits are fun though so your argument is moot
>>739131893No, they're not. They punish you for trying to have fun.
>>739123274>Random crits is funnyPoint refuted
An actual decade has passed man. Who cares about this shit still
>>739132090just don't get hit. you're not as good as you think you are if a random crit ruins your game
>>739128207Trve... he didn't even sign an NDA in the first place so it's gucci
People who cry about crits are likely to still lose games even with crits disabled>inb4 copium-based arguments about how it would be fair that way insteadPure lies. Scrubby midwits cannot handle being in the highest point of the dunning kruger diagram
>>739131145Vita saw has never been balanced, its just uninteresting. Even when they tried to make it interesting no one wants to use it because its stupid to even try to use it.
Don't comp servers play with random crits disabled regardless?
>>739123274You know what pisses me off? It’s the fact that Fish On A Stick’s video essay on this and claiming that Pokemon does randomness better than TF2. When it’s literally the exact fucking opposite.TF2 has respawns and there are tons of scenarios where it doesn’t matter.If you get killed by a crit, the worst that happens is you get sent to spawn for a few seconds, often less if you’re on a no respawn timer server. And even if you did die, it rarely ever matters, even in individual combat scenarios. The skirmish you were just in could have easily seen you lose anyways. Even more rare is when a random crit manages to win an entire game, where it’d be literally impossible otherwise to win.Then you have Pokemon, which is the worst fucking case of RNG. I can just say “Unfortunate” and several people already know what I’m talking.If your Pokemon gets randomly critted, the BEST case is you lose 1/6th or 1/4th or 1/3rd of your entire party permanently. Often times you lose on the spot to a 1/24 chance.And because the game is turned based, the vast majority of crits matter for individual interactions. The worst part is that these volatile RNG mechanics are universally the most despised mechanics in the game.Random crits in TF2 don’t really add anything and is slightly annoying, but ultimately shit isn’t a big deal. It would have been if TF2 was closer to Counter Strike and had perma death or if every inch mattered as Uncle Dane or FoaS claim it is.post it, you know what I’m talking about
>>739132509All discussion about medic unlocks is circular logic because the ubersaw is just that badly designed that we have to ignore it exists but i agree the vita saw needs a buff.
>>739132236This isn't a fighting game retard, you can't always avoid being hit. Without random crits, you can dramatically improve your odds by calculating risk, but with random ctits, ANY attack can kill you, making nuanced strategy pointless, and guilding you back to the most dominang playstyles of just shitting out as many hitboxes as possible
>>739132632Correct, actual comp players would tell you random crits is just a pubs thing and if you don't like them, stick to comm servers.
>>739132632If they were satisfied with being able to run their own servers, it wouldn't be a decade later with them whining that people should be forced to play with their ruleset on their servers.
>>739132664Fish legitimately has some of the worst takes in tf2
>>739132781Ubersaw is fun and overpowered in a healthy way. Solemn Vow is really good and doesnt bait you into being retarded.Amputator needs to not reset its health regen every time you swap weapons. Bonesaw is sad.Crossbow is the greatest primary and all syringe guns should passively reload before we have further discussions on how the syringes could be improved instead of nerfing the bowVaccinator is aids. Quick fix is bad and lost some of its identity when scout speed mirroring was made universal.
>>739132632Compies play an entirely different game. Seeing as soldier is moddes so gunboats always reduce self-inflicted splash damage even when hitting an enemy
>>739131792>refutedthey literally state it's engagement bait for shittersit's not good for balancing
>>739133125also a snowballing mechanism, forgot to mention that
>>739132964Of course he does, he's a sniper main
>>739132810>you can't always avoid being hitsounds like a positiioning problem to me. play better. sometimes you lose to a random crit sometimes you met it out; that's what's makes it fun. talking about "calculating risks" and "nuanced strategy" in Team Fortress 2 out of all games is laughable
>>739128207>>739132398>get something exclusive>share it with your internet friends>get blamed for leaksLamo, maybe next time only share it with people you know IRL, and DON'T stream it.
>>739133324Getting killed by a dice roll is never fun you retarded nigger
>>739132398Gas all e-beggers
>>739133703don't get hit then loser
variance is good actually
>>739123274It doesnt need to be refuted since clearly Valve doesn't agree. It's been in the game for 19 years. It's not gonna change. You'll continue seething about it for the next 21 years asking to be refuted. Grass is green.
>>739131792But in order for them to hear this they would first need to actually play the game.
random crits are fucking funnyi cant imagine the no fun fag thats genuinely seething because of an """unfair""" death in tf2.
>>739133930I think fortnite and battle royals in general have brainrotted zoomers into thinkin that any form of death in a videogame is a personal attack on themselves. Its probably why horror games are so effective against them, the existential dread of dying in a videogame is enough.
>>739133930Crits are bullshit, not funny
>>739135158nice way to prove that anon's point
>>739132964>>739133285wish he stuck to making creepypasta videos rather than doing the most generic gaming content on earth and raging at his mom and spies
>>739123274The developers said it exist to prevent stalemates and frankly it works as intended.
my god tf2 has the most fucking contrarian fanbase of all time. half the people in this game probably only like crits because dane hates them.
>>739136532>Literally everyone but me is a contrarian
>>739136532contrarianism isn’t real. People like “crits” because people like random rewards for repetitious actions.
>>739136532True>>739136658Losing to bad luck is more unfun than winning through luck is fun
>>739133812Uncle Dane isn't an e-beggar, he's a successful entrepreneur and charismatic leader.
>>739137163
>>739131224That's an fairly small burger for an average-sized person I'd say?
>>739123274Try to refute this looney troon
>can't refute it>still get to use critsDon't need to refute brown noise.
>>739123506the bitter irony is that modern day tf2 is just counter strike but worse thanks to all the nerfs and meet your match adding matchmaking which makes every new player to the game feel as if they need to play the game competitively
>>739142704The problem with matchmaking is that you can see how blatantly retarded it is when you have brand new medals all on one team with experienced players all stacked on the other
>>739128207>taking Nick Gerz of eBaumsworld reporting seriouslyIs Dane fucking with us?
>>739131145>what are sentries>what is heavy>what is sniper I'm sorry soldierfags couldn't win in one specific instance, this was truly a tough time for you guys
>>739142954why they thought allowing up to half of a team to party up together in a casual game was a good idea is beyond me
Random crits do not affect how enjoyable TF2 is with or without them
>>739144481Except having them on makes faggots fuck off, so they have a positive effect on the game.
>>739128207>Nic Gerz
I WILL Black Box Conch.I WILL Scorch Shot from across the map.I WILL sticky spam and refuse to commit to anythingAnd I WILL get a random melee crit and survive your masterful counterplay, twice in a row.
>>739144481It's frustrating when you have a tense match where both teams are really invested and then some nigger gets a free crocket that obliterates the entire enemy team and that's just the end of the game right there
im pretty sure you can play on nocrit servers for like a decade already, is this youtuber retarded or something?
>>739144529And having them off makes a different flavor of faggots fuck off.
>>739146094TrulyThe best solution is have random crits turned off most of the time, but some of the time they turn themselves back on for a little bit.
>>739131145>vita saw is balancedIt’s arguably the single worst weapon in the game. You lose 10 HP on the class who is most vital to surviving, just for an upside that is only an upside under extremely specific conditions. You need to have 1 to 4 organs (which btw use the head mechanic of the eyelander so if a Demo, Soldier, or Sniper kill you with their killstreak weapons, you’re feeding them extra heads), enough Uber to respawn with, to die, SPECIFICALLY in a scenario where you’d also die without the health penalty, respawn, and while heading back to the frontline while avoiding death, change your Uber to 100%, and use your Uber before the amount of time it’d take to fill it back up again normally.Also the Ubersaw exists.>but the base jumper was genuinely broken on releaseThe Base Jumper in the party /v/an isn’t the same one from launch.
>>739144195>people get to consume a whole lobby together>I get literally 1 friend with me one of us gets auto-balanced 3/5 times>when auto-balance never seems to function any other day
shounic is a disgusting chink nigger i hope he dies soon
I'm sorryI've tried but I can't fap to any of the sonic girls. I got sorta close with Amy but couldn't finish.I don't see the appeal
>>739145343https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNwEPTLy1Fc
I have not seen any real argument in favor of random crits that was not simply a performative act of stubbornness.
>>739150264Nobody is obligated to prove why they have to change a game that they like for you, someone that's explicitly stated you dislike the game on such a fundamental level that it being allowed to exist without being fucked with is an affront to you.This was true even before gun mettle.
>>739123506Refutation: Randomly dying to melee hits or shotgun shots you would have otherwise survived is not fun and not worth keeping just so soldierfags can cum in their pants from killing 4 people with 1 rocket
>Everyone in the keep random crits camp is a ragebaiting retard or a schizo fighting compfags 7 years too late
>>739144758melee crits are good actually because it punishes over-extending players who are out of position.
>>739148229and don't forget the >it's an autobalance balanced the guy fucking around doing dumb shit like melee heavy onto the losing team episode WITH ONE MINUTE LEFT IN THE GAME
>>739150776Don't you have a game that transitioned and started identifying as a sequel to talk about instead of camping here crying you butt ugly macaque.
>>739144195Team scramble should come back
>>739123274>make a massive game changing alteration to a 20 year old gamelol that's insane. Shall we change the basic rules of baseball next?
>>739151762Uh yeah didn't you know Baseball is a Ballhitting Genre sport.So passing needs to no longer be allowed because it's not a part of this genre I just invented.The people that invented baseball didn't know better and I was literally stolen of a home run because someone through the ball to the guy at first base and not because I'm a fat piece of shit that can't hit or run
>>739150506The question is if the net fun of crits outweighs non crits.Maybe that soldier player gets so much fun out of that single crit rocket that all your unfun experiences pale in comparison, creating more net fun in the game.
>>739123274The more I think about balance in any game, the more I turn against any mechanics where you have a % chance of doing more damage for no reason.
>>739128207>i didn't leak it i just leaked it to people who i don't know that then leaked it further
>>739152172it literally doesnt and never will especially since youre comparing the happiness of 1 person to the unhappiness of 4
>>739152409Happiness can't be measured solely in person count. For example, it would not be considered valid to kill someone that mildly inconveniences four people, even if it would make those 4 people feel a tiny bit better.
>>739151762>>make a massive game changing alteration to a 20 year old gameTons of TF2 servers don’t have this extremely rare and non-impactful mechanic, and most people play the game the 99% of the time random crits don’t happen.
>>739154250>erm everyone plays on the no fun server, didn't you see wefuckinghatetf2.biz??
>>739132236how do i dodge hitscan?
>>739150776>>Everyone in the keep random crits camp is a ragebaiting retard90% of the tf2 discussion are ragebaiting retards that joined in the game too late and are mentally stuck in the past like >>739151170
>>739146153this sounds fucking awesomet. crit disliker
>>739155902>You making fun of me for clearly being stuck in the past is clearly actually you being stuck there
>>739155902bodied that freak
