https://www.gamesradar.com/games/survival/subnautica-2-dev-says-go-play-sons-of-the-forest-if-you-dont-like-its-lack-of-violence/
>>739131208I feel like they're trying to drum up controversy as a way to market their game
Woke
ok i will
>>7391312084chan users tells faggot OPs to stay on gamesradar if they want to read games journalists slop.
>>739131208I never played this or the first and never will.
>What if we made a game without combat but it still had loads of enemies all over the mapSure, if the rest of the game actually revolved you not engaging in combat and made it interesting in a way you still get immersed but so far I'm just driving around in my tadpole having to repair it constantly because a school of sharks decided to maul it while I was diving for resourcesIt doesnt fucking help that all the sealife is attracted to your vehicle like a magnet either
>>739131208i already finished sons of the forest with the bros... wish it wasn't an end game thing but flying with the glider was fun
>>739131208But everhthing is hostile to you. Hmm curious
>>739131208>mindless fish are hostile to you>you're not allowed to defend yourself because uh... YOU'RE JUST NOT OK???
what are some nonshit aquatic games? i can only think of endless ocean.
>Shadow of doubt>This turdpile>Few other examplesi thought these commie pinko shitter types were all about ~agency~yet they don't want you to hurt the heckin criminal with a gun shooting at you, or the stupid ass fish trying to eat you, or- >hey wait a minute>im noticing something of a pattern
>>739131517sexo with French hapas
>>739131517>E33 shilll fags still shitting on other games they don't playClockwork.
I just wanna know what kind of retard looks at all the shit surrounding this game, the krafton stuff, etc, sees its early access, and goes;Yea. Lemme drop money on this right the fuck now.Then 4 hours later they're on the steam forums shitting their pants "THIS ISNT COMPLETE THIS FEELS LIKE HALF A GAME REEEE"We need to start just killing people that prepurchase/buy EA.
Why did they make the second game more feminine and faggy? I'd have bought it if they didn't do that shit.
>>739132282meds
>>739131942Btw when you hit anything alive in this game with your tool it gives you no response whatsoever. The world is ignoring you, and so are devs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpFEv1-mAo
>>739131208The first game doesn't have combat either
>>739131208>mfw this was the game and studio everyone championed and was happy to see score a win over their shitty publisher
>tadpole is the worst vehicle of any subnautica vehicle ever made>slow boring, just like the entire game>has zero story or plot just shitty voice dialogs>can't even hit a fish with your axe thats trying to eat you>that'll be $29.99 goyimRefunded.
>>739131949Dave the diver is a lot of fun and full of SOUL
>>739132539It does though
>>739132539>The first game doesn't have combat eitherYou didnt play the first game, or you are literally a ShillI killed every creature on Subnautica 1. But they are right, time to replay Sons of the Forest its a better use of my time.
But there is violence. It's just that I'm only in the receiving end.
>>739131208would have been fine if they didn't expect the player to play it exactly the same as with combat>still need to bonk fish>still need to throw consumables>fundamentally no difference aside from you are forced to deal with fish ad-nauseum because you can't kill them to explore an area safelyit's padding, they literally prevent you from killing things to pad the game because they don't know how to make it any more fun or entertaining, if they were gonna be so half-assed about it, they shouldn't have even bothered>we don't like violence>but here, you can blend 10000 moon fish into this tight space so you can power 10 lightbulbs for 5 minutes>also we don't know how to make water without literally killing a fish and using it as a filter, whoops>also here are our story characters creating bombs, guns, and other things that are cool to defend themselves with while you are left with a shitty repulsion cannon and no meleemhhhmmmm, they really know what they are doing lol, they can try to drum up controversy but the game is just poorly made and poorly thought out>oh that predator? he really likes flares, just toss him one, he'll ignore you completely for this tiny flare
>>739132586Thats still hilarious and a win. I didnt even buy the game but I love seeing greedy publishers eat shit fuck em
The EA is really rough. There's nothing there. Whatever goodwill that was had on day one and two is quickly turning sour.
>>739131341Is >Our game has less featuresEven the kind of controversy that gets sales though?
>>739132539You have a knife that can kill 80% of stuff ingame, then you get a fucking mech that can punch even reapers(ineffectually?) It's not a fucking FPS by any means, but you're not a helpless limbless child retard, which seems to be the entire theme of this games terrible writing.
>>739131208what the fuck is up with gamedevs trying to fight and shame their fanbase? that will never ever result in more sales and is always over something stupid like this>"nuh uh you can kill the alien fish and eat them because uhhhhh... durr hurr... virtual animal abuse or something"
>>739131208This could be a perfectly fine design choice since plenty of horror games do it, but the problem is that the fish don't create any compelling choice or risk/reward for the player.They aren't threatening enough to go out of your way to avoid or use a consumable flare. I've never even used a flare around an enemy. No idea idea how they work, and I have no intention to learn. It's just not worth it. Oh no, the needlenig fish will hit my ship for 0.2HP.When you encounter a fish, you have a very limited amount of choices. In Alien Isolation when the Alien shows up, I have to think what is nearby to hide in, is it reasonable for me to make it there, and have I done that too many times already.Here I just think, "Well, I guess I am getting bitten now. Ouch."
>>739131517Same. 5th post best post.
>>739131208the first game has multiple defensive options like an electric burst, torpedoes, punching with the prawn suit etc. This game has none of that?
>>739132762Feels more like a demo desu
>>739132872Because they think having access to social media means they have to use it. Basically, modern devs prove every day there's a good reason you had community managers and PR managers doing this shit decades past while the devs were actually developing games.
>>739132957No. Now bend over and get raped by Free Willy
>>739133116Krafton was probably right in trying to get rid of him
>>739131208player humiliation ritual, teached helplessness, not even virtue signaling, it's straight-up insidious, malicious moral conditioningyour environment will churn and scream and harm you and kill you, but you're not important, you're too weak, you can't exert your will and you can't change anything, better to be small and sneak around and avoid your problems
I love using the mod and 1 shotting everything
>>739132892Feels like they couldnt think of a better way to make use of the players health bar since theres no real combat and its really easy not to die from starvationEnemies basically just make you pay a tiny health tax for passing by
>>739131208>trying so hard to out-purity-test even yourself that it becomes bizarrely retardedThe non-weapons thing was already dumb in the first one considering that hostile environments are a thing even without conflict between people, but at least it made some attempt at being a in-universe thing with a reason and it didn't stop you from using what you did have. This however is once again pseudo-progressiveness driven to its retarded extreme, where even self-defensive against pure one-sided aggression is made impossible because violence is le bad (but the alien fish gets to do inflict violence on you because it's just its culture and you need to accept that okay). Why didn't they just make a hugbox ocean exploration game without any dangers if that is the kind of utopia they want to represent? This is just stupid.
>>739131208I saw that I got Subnautica for free from EGS at some point, so I decided to give it a try after all the recent hype. Honest to God, I think this game is dogshit or laughably overrated at the very least. The survival elements somehow feel even more pointless and tedious than in Minecraft. Collecting bladderfish to produce water to raise the thirst bar, occasionally eat other type of fish to raise the hunger bar, and swimming back and forth to collect basic minerals feels so fucking bad and brainless, it's not even funny. The swimming controls also feel simplistic as hell and the visual style too cartoony to be immersive. I genuinely have no idea what the fuck am I missing. Why does everyone seem to like this series?
>>739133537Which is a shame. Even in the first area they have plenty of opportunities. With all of the caves, they could have easily made a dangerous fish that is faster than you in the open water, but slower in caves or vice versa.They could easily add things like giant kelp forests to hide from enemies or lead to surprise encounters with enemies.I don't think it will get much better than what we have currently. They had plenty of time to do all the enemy behavior groundwork, so if it's not in place now, it probably never will be.
>>739134365they arent good gamesits just that games that focus on underwater exploration was free real estate
>>739131517I will never play French Final Fantasy
>>739132586Our loyalties and opinions change depending on what is funny or we can turn into a years-long controversy at the time. We don't give a flying faggot's hairy ass about anything else.
>>739131208This is sure to piss off the ball and gun nigga gamers. It's ok to admit you're too much of a normalfag to be able to play games which have different types of gameplay.
>>739132539I literally loaded up Subnautica 1 yesterday and drillpunched a sharkfag to death, then jumped and landed on another, killing it.
>>739134564why not
>>739131208Or if you just want a decent survival game where survival mechanics actual have weight on the gameplay loop, play Green Hell. Subnautica is just shit at both of those things.
>>739134365The first game was decent when it got rolling, and the atmosphere and shit worked really well. Plus like others pointed out already, you weren't completely helpless, just mostly. This one however is just total babytime bullshit. Everything that made 1 playable from being dumped into a world mostly alone to>hey buddy whatcha doin wana wake up there mr QI guy i call you QI because that stands for qualified investimagator man so you need to go investimagate here start with this thing here go over there and find a thing now do the thing over there yay you did it heres a message from some girlboss listen to it yay remember her she gave you a twinky one day yay you liked her also guns are bad mkayits fucking slop by comparison to the first one, and again, the first one was just, ok
>>739131208Subnautica devs should tell people to play Project Nortubel
>>739132762>>739132801>>739132961Hmmm, it's like it's an early access game and isn't finished, just like the first game and Below Zero when they first became playable.
I don't understand the controversy at all. PArt of the appeal of Subnautica for me is how helpless you are against the hostile wild life
>>739131527>What if we made a game without combat but it still had loads of enemies all over the mapYou it's something like a SURVIVAL game?
The funny thing is, I probably would have been as non violent as possible because I think marine biology is neat, but now that choice has less impact because it's not a choice at all.
>>739134365I'm also incapable of understanding how anyone that isn't me can find things that make me angry good and fun. I wish everyone was like me so the world would stop making me confused and angry.
>>739134894>helpless<Laughs in gas pod and stasis rifle while killing reapers>>>739134895>SURVIVAL GAMEthe enemies arent a threat to survivethey're a fucking annoyance you cant punch in the face
>>739131208I want them to crash, fail and burn. I hate them all so much...
>>739131517Based but E33 is slop too
>>739135092><Laughs in gas pod and stasis rifle while killing reapers>I'm sure we'll get stuff like that in 2 eventually, but that was never a big part of the game. You aren't getting anything out of killing reapers. The game is about surviving and unravelling a mystery. Not killing wild life.
>>739134894there should absolutely be threats that you cant deal with.it doesnt mean there shouldnt be some sort of tranq gun or stun gun or something to deal with nuisances.
>>739135130>headline from 7 years agoYou need to get a grip
>>739134895You know what a major part of survival is? Killing things to eat or to make yourself safe.
>>739132801How many retards do you know that are content creators that have bought games for the express purpose of rage advertising
>>739131208I already played SotF. Its good.
>>739135272and its still relevant today!
>>739135326You kill and cook small fish constantly. Killing reapers would completely remove any sense of tension
>>739135210>You aren't getting anything out of killing reapersYou know what I'm not getting? I'm not getting annoyed by them because they're dead.
>>739134809>Hmmm, it's like it's an early access game and isn't finished,If you look at the roadmap, real content isn't even in the next two versions. Things like "new creatures/vehicles/tools/biomes" are just "future".
>>739132023The funny thing is that many of these people likely wouldn’t hesitate to kill something in real life (where killing actually matters) if it threatened them.
>>739135449what a retarded take
>>739135449Intrinsically there is no tension because nothing can actually threaten the player without means to fight back. So you get large irritations instead of threats.
>>739135407This would be a better argument if the game where you can kill reapers didn't have better tension than the game where you can't.
>>739131208Translation: We couldn't find a way to make a satisfying combat system so we hide behind some fake moralistic bullshit.
>>739132730That's my take as well. They are mocking people complaining because they don't have the competence to address thr problems with gameplsy
>>739132992Community and PR managers are still doing those jobs, they're just doing it worse.
>>739135628Nor would they hesitate to call for violence against their "approved" targets.
>>739134998I gave my reasons why I don't enjoy it. Feel free to argue against those points or go fuck yourself.
>>739135719Nah, they actually are just being principled about it and that doesn't make it any less annoying.
>>739134365which survival games do you like?
>>739135719>"people feel strong about something? It must be fake!"Soulless hands typed this post, lol.
>>739135710Absolute retard post. That first game had far far worse tension lategame for being able to kill them, especially because the process for doing so amounted to something that felt tedious and annoying to do. It was a better game overall but that doesn't mean that this particular element didn't make it worse.
>>739135719If your dumb ass ever played Below Zero you'd know what happens when the devs try to flesh out and expand an element that never should have had focus to begin with.
>>739131208it doesn't need violence, but surely there must be some way to counteract enemies? Not even giga leviathans that are more like a natural disaster to be avoided, like if you're being attacked by small sharks or whatever the only option can't be to just run away. Even actual conservationists have things like bear mace, flashing lights, things that make loud noises. Plus these are aliens, why not get creative? It's like they had the idea of "we won't have guns because it's boring we'll come up with alternatives" then didn't come up with any alternatives and now they're pretending it was intentional game design
>>739131208this feels like forced bait to try and drum up sales
>>739136178Feel strongly about what? Technically, you still have to kill shit you find in your path, you just don't have any fun toys to play with and most encounters don't feel engaging whatsoever.
>>739136178Why has the concept of grandstanding been erased from the public consciousness?
>>739135272Shit. I feel bad for your family.
>>739134895If it's a SURVIVAL game then where's the combat you fucking imbecile?
I think they're trying to torpedo the game so the krafton retard gets screwed harder. That's my theory.
>>739134809The current state of the “game” is closer to demo than partially finished
>>739136437>krafton retard?
>>739136158I don't feel that strongly about survival games in general, but 7 Days to Die, Green Hell and Sons of the Forest easily felt better to play, from building, to survival, combat, and general atmosphere. The latter is largely subjective because the underwater exploration doesn't feel particularly appealing to me (controlling the oxygen was more annoying than anything), but in terms of game mechanics Subnautica objectively offers fuck all that is new or wildly revolutionary.
>>739136268In 1 your primary way to counteract such things was increasing your size like a lot of things do in the ocean. What threatens you as a person threatens you less in the seamoth and is inconsequential in the sub. So most things are eventually counteracted when you're in your vehicle and even outside of it when you're in your equipped mech that mines for you.The leviathons are always going to be a threat that are better off avoided thanb fought and it would be stupid to change that.By the full release I hope that Subnautica 2 will have some more stuff like you mentioned though because it would definitely improve the game. I just hope they don't make the leviathon-level big bad enemies killable or able to dealt with in a way that trivializes them.
>>739136264in other words, they couldn't make a combat system worth a shit
>>739135709You only get to that point at the late game with the Prawn suit. You SHOULD feel like you've conquered the planet by that point
>>739131208thats ok. i'll wait for full release and then download the combat mod.
>>739136860If they wanted combat to be a big part of the game then they would have built it from the ground up with that in mind and it would have been bigger. Why are you getting asshurt that a game meant to make you feel scared and helpless doesn't let you 360 no-scope every threat? Do you look at flight simulator games and think "wow I guess they couldn't make a fuel system worth a shit" when you can't hit a button to refill your fuel magically?You're complaining about what is part of the appeal of a game with horror elements. Which is that you're not supposed to be a gun-wielding badass that kills everything easily so nothing threatens you.
>>739132636Sure nexon, your fake indie game totally has soul.
/v/ and journalists really are just same type of faggots, endless attempts at generating controversy over the dumbest and most mundane shithere's your [BAD NEWS] STEAMCHART NUMBER UP THERE?!?although maybe this is just gamesradar shilling their shitty website here again, wouldn't be the first time
>>739137110>why are you asshurt because scared and helpless blahblahblahnta but i didn't feel scared and helpless playing subnautica 2i felt fucking annoyednibblers are not a threat or a horror monsterthey're annoying cuntsthe hammerheads are just shittier crashfish that i cant fucking stab for being retardstheres nothing scary about subnautica 2 except how the apparent intended audience is 8 year olds
>>739137268actually i take that backthe scariest part of subnautica 2 is how many drooling retards paid for a dev-hell EA game whose previous entry was below zero(happy players)
I hope to fuck that they remove the retarded "scary" music when scarysquid as much as looks in your directionShit is annoying
>>739137268>wait wait wait why doesn't this early access game feel finished!?!?Anyone's guess. Adding a bunch of guns won't fix the problems you're talking about though, will it? Only make it worse. It'll just be repeating Below Zero's mistakes.They need to continue working on the atmosphere of the game, not listening to babbling retards screaming "bro gimme an AK47 lemme trash those fish lmao"
>retard defaults to misquoting and pretending to misunderstand and be retardedkeep up the good work comrade
It's so odd that dave the diver has combat and allows you to kill fish while still managing to be a good game about ocean conservation. it's almost as if both concepts can exist at the same time without issue.
Hasn't it already been established that this is just mossad spyware disguised as a game
>>739137110>a game meant to make you feel scared and helplessYou're overselling it. The core of the game is fighting a basic bitch bar depletion and occasionally encountering one or two enemy types along the way that actually pose a threat. Most of the time you're not in any real danger.In other survival games, you can't just sit with a thumb up your ass. Enemies and the elements will actually come to you and you have to be prepared beforehand. You have to craft armor, weapons, build a safe house to protect yourself from cold, or a zombie horde during a blood moon, or collect specific plants to cure diseases. Subnautica has some of the most rudimentary survival mechanics I've seen on top of a non-existent combat system. It's all just "vibes" with an underwater aesthetic.
>>739131208I'm tired of this era of corporate snark
>Played Green Hell>First thing ingame was make spear>Second thing was get jumped by and kill a ..leopard? jaguar? I forget which cat it was. >Kill it, skin it, eat it, spend 10 minutes tending wounds.>Because I fought and won, the retards in this thread say I should not have enjoyed the next 40 hours of the game.
>>739134895>SurvivalOutside of eating billions of fish which part of this game is survival? It's almost impossible to die, fucking Mario bros games are more lethal than this game.
>>739138001Your complaints are all that the game doesn't feel finished or scary and it's not done yet. It's gonna be shitty now and it might be shitty when it's done. I don't know what you want me to say in reply to "I think the EA game is bad right now" but I was arguing with the other anons about how adding guns and making combat a bigger focus would be a bad idea. Me talking about that more because it's what interests me and not coddling you because you felt annoyed playing this game isn't misunderstanding you.>>739138312>It's all just "vibes" with an underwater aesthetic.The vibe is feeling powerless and just trying to survive and leave a planet that is a large ocean where most things will kill you if they have any time to get personal with you. It's not supposed to be a fucking horde shooter where waves of enemies attack like teams in rounds. If you want that then play Riftbreaker.
These people want to take guns away, but will still block you from their twitter accounts for triggering them and will call the cops on you for making mean tweets at them.
>>739131208>okay to kill small fish for food&water&energy>but you cant kill the big ones because that is bad okay!!!Also, the devs stated that about 1/3 of the game is in the early release so far. And if that's true, that when the other 2/3 this game will still be smaller then subnautica. So take those 3 to 4 empty biomes of subnautica 2 EA so far, multiple that by 3, and you still would have a map a bit smaller then subnautica 1 on the surface. But the subnautica 1 map had a big cavesystem and a large biome at the bottem too, so far in the EA there is no such thing. And the devs say they still need 3 years to finish. A lot of red flags are going off.
>>739138586>doubles down on dumbshittery gaslighting>your complaints arefind the word "finished" in >>739137268>earlier in thelets preempt this since 100% it'll be your first instinctive go-to, do you know what NTA means?
>>739131208Sons of the Forest? That game was worse than the original
>>739134684based mechamaxxer
Okay. I won't play Subnautica 2. I also won't play sons of the forest either.
>>739138212Its 100% a dataminer, when you buy the game your steam account info is getting collected and sold. Krafton is a korean proxy company of tencent, thus your data is being sold to the chinese. The EULA is a clusterfuck too because of this.
>>739131517This but also E33 is shit as wellImagine playing indieslop in the year 2026 or even newer video games for that matter
>>739138759>whoa whoa whoa now WHERE did I complain about it being unfinished???...do you know what "dev-hell EA game" means or were you just asking an AI for buzzwords that would make your post seem smart?
>>739134365I agree. I'd like yo say no pun intended, but the game honestly feels purposely shallow to pad out the game.
>>739132445to be fair, if I didn't have 4chan I would have just seen the sequel to a game I like in a giant banner on the front page of the store and assumed it's here for real. The "early access" disclaimer means nothing since I've seen games like valheim which were excellent from the moment it went live.
>>739138730The EA ending literally says you need to get to the big tree and then go under it into the crypts, there is 100000% going to be underground areas.
>>739139174>there is 100000% going to be underground areas.They wont be as big as the cavesystem of the first game when you compare the surface parts so far.
>>739138976>woah woah woah buddy i cant read and im retarded and im making it your problemYes. It means the game was riddled with incompetence and controversy all through its development, meaning its probably not had the best time being made but they shat it out into EA as soon as possible to grab retards money in hopes it saves them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the fish in the game being annoying fucking faggots and not actual threats, unless you're going to tell me "bro its fine theyll fully replace the enemies in the game" at which point, you're fucking retardedit has nothing to do with it being unfinished, it has everything to do with people buying a game with more red flags than the average third worlder futbol match
>Play Subnautica 1>Start with a knife but mostly too scared of getting mauled to death to kill anything>The art direction is perfect, predators are simple and deadly, the environments varies from safe to deadly very fast and exploring is very dangerous even with a knife, most of the stress come from not being attacked and wondering if you're safe, never even think of using the knife to fight>Play sub 2>The art direction is pure aids, every predators are rainbow and/or glowing in the dark and attack you constantly>Never feel scared because I'm constantly attacked by every fucking things, keep wishing to have a knife to fightIt's that simple, it's just a shit game made by retards
>>739138586>The vibe is feeling powerlessAfter the first couple times you get bopped or “eaten,” you realize nothing in the game is actually a threat. Free Willy takes a chunk of health and then ignores you. You drink some water and eat some fish and the health regenerates.
>>739139369>start with knifewelpgames shit may as well stop playing right then and there>can defend yourselfimagine playing this unimaginable slop
>>739138730There’s dozens of small cave systems in 2 and at least one medium size one. Whereas 1 just had the one big cave system.
>>739139310they've already said the surface map isn't finished you fucking retard. Just forget about the game for a year or two if it's just going to stress you out for no reason
>>739139369So you don't even get a knife now? Is this a britcuckstan sim or something
>>739132651>>739132704>>739132816>>739134684mental gymnastics
how fucking new are you retardsthey said the same thing about 1 and there was never an indication they'd change there stance on itwhat more is there to talk about? fucking stupid niggers
>>739139521You have a sort of small axe but you can't hit anything with it, you can only use it to cut plants
>>739139521You can get a safety knife that is designed to be harmless.
>>739139310The map is being expanded in updates, the EA borders tell you flat out the rest of the map is not in yet. If you want to see what a speculative map looks like, see pic related.
>>739139494No, there is the first cave you explore where you find out another ship crashed on the planet before and they build bases, that cave system alone is already bigger then anything the EA has. >>739139501Nope faggot, the devs stated that the EA is about 1/3 to half of the finished game. If this is true then the game wont be bigger then subnautica 1.
>>739131208>subnautica devs continue to kill their own game IPwow, big shocker! No one saw this one after Frozen Zero!
Literally telling you to play a better game, might as well listen to them. Otherwise->wait for someone to make a knife mod>install it>devs can do fuckall about it
>>739139706Learn to read faggot, i know the map is not finished, i also said that we know that the map at most will get 3 times bigger.
>>739139787So what the fuck are you crying about then?
I don't understand this controversy, wouldn't viable combat just completely trivialize every aspect of the game?
>>739139779There's already a mod, I've been 1 shotting everything I can get close to
>>739139841Again,learn to read faggot, look at the comparision between the sub1 and sub2 EA map, even if the EA map gets 3 times the size it will still be smaller then Sub1And then you have to know that sub1 had the big cavesystem, nothing like that in sub2 EA, and no those small caves dont count.
>>739139325>Yes. It means [pretend incorrect definition because you were wrong]Early access means it's not fucking finished but you can buy it usually for a discount while they're still developing it. Copy that definition into a notepad file to remind yourself. You complain that it's EA and that means unfinished. If you don't know the definitions of the words you use then why are you trying to argue with people?Yeah enemies can be replaced or just changed a bit to be more threatening, no that's not a monumental task. New more threatening ones will inevitably be added as later areas are developed. Just say you hated the game in its current state and move on, that's fine. Don't try to lend legitimacy to your retardation by making up definitions.You wasted your time getting annoyed as Subnautica 2 and now you're wasting your time being a retard who doesn't know what EA actually means but still pretending. I will waste no more time arguing with a clown like you.
>>739139842Did it completely trivialize every aspect of the 1st game?
>>739140038Stasis gun knifing leviathons made them trivial and annoying instead of threatening if you did it, especially with how long it took and how they were frozen in place the whole time
>>739139712>2 already has more cave systems than 1>but 1 had bigger cave system
>>739140120Not the only way you can fight them. At least you had a choice in 1.
>>739140242>>2 already has more cave systems than 1Bullshit, there are caves, but they are all small, the one under the alient tower isnt even a cave system, it's just a big room with some pillars.
>>739139712Source?
>>739140349>2 already has more cave systems than 1>but they're small
>>739140351The dev twitter. And the maps of sub1 and sub2 EA posted in the thread.
>>739139842In Subnautica 1 you had>A knife>A stasis rifle that stunlocked every single entity in the game so you could kill everything with a knife>A giant robot that could glue itself to anything and drill a hole in their skull until it's dead>Chemical warfare banned by the genova convention that will kill everything>Funny floaters that just made everything fly upBut most of that is done by people that have 100+ hours in the game because of fear and progressionMost new player will not try to kill everything in the game because they bought it for the atmosphere and they'd just ruin it and there was just not that many reason to kill stuff in the first place as the aggressive stuff are in their own biomes. In 2 they are just everywhere including the safe shallow where you start.
The dialogue in subnautica 2 reminds me of borderlands 2.Spouting meaningless shit that could be condensed down.You often have to pause everything in order to let the log play out, while you're staring at another log.
>>739138730One YouTuber got to the tree in multiplayer. The leviathans only track the host.
>>739131208never really played either game, didn't the first one let you kill shit with a knife and stuff like that? did they remove that in the second game? why?
>>739131341makes a good point tho I'm giving sons of the forest a replay
>>739131341yeah
>>739140349subnautica 1's "big cave system" was "big" because it had to accommodate the cyclops.
Reminder that it's canon that subnautica takes place in the natural selection universe, games where humanity has been losing ground in space to a alien race that eats humans. And that in subnautica 2 a audio drop straight up tells you that altera is sending out colony ships as far as possible to outrun the aliens because humanity is losing. But hey, lets not give these colonist any means of defending themselfs even against the basic lifeforms of the planet we send them to.
You could kill stuff in the first game, did they just remove that?
>>739140971And by the looks of the caves so far in S2 EA none of these are big enough for a sub like the cyclops. Seamoth, sure. But i dont think the seamoth will return now that the tadpole is trying to be the seamoth but much slower.
>>739141168yes, but you can still catch all the tiny fish and turn them in to food&water or throw them in a blender to turn them in energy. Somehow the devs have no problems with you killing thousands of tiny fish, but they get upset if you ask them if we can kill the big ones.
>>739131208god im so sick of these safe ass games from millennials, I need some EDGY shit thats BRUTAL and TRAUMATISINGsomeone please make horror with like cannibalism, brutal deaths, themes of abuse, I don't know swastikas, zoophilia, rape, guro, eroguro, anything to make it interesting and controversial and not this safe>noooo you can't hurt the heckin fisherinio!shitonly game from recent years I liked is lonarpg
is subnautica 2 fun even without violence?i heard the other sequel is retarded
based. humans should keep running away like little bitches from the fishCHADS who are MOGGING and DOMINATING them. no don't defend yourself mammals it's so funny you just run away. GLUB GLUB MONKEYS
>>739131517yes we know (you) are a faggot
>>739140795Because they're retarded niggers
>make game early access to get feedback>players give feedback>tell them to go away
>>739138820So is Subnautica: Below Zero. Probably this one too, but we won't know for years
>>739143947pretty much
>>739143329t.
>>739143947I love when devs do this>use focus groups for feedback>use social media to get feedback>hire managers to collate all the social media feedback>ask for feedback in-game directly>spend hours analyzing the feedback>channel the feedback up to the highest levels of the company, level with their own dedicated feedback relayer>...>"nah the players are wrong lol we know better">...>players are displeased>hire PR people to tell the players they are heard and their feedback is importantLike what the fuck man. It's like every game dev read that fake quote from Henry Ford>If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horsesExcept they're not fucking Henry Ford and they're not gifting the masses with the automobile, kek
>>739131949Final Fantasy X
>>739131517>admits implicitly that he has played Below ZeroWay to go, fag.
>>739143947They did it to get money not feedback
>>739131208>players already made a killable fish mod that allows you to kill everything like in 1That was fasthttps://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica2/mods/105?tab=posts
>>739136309>food analogy
>>739131942>mindless monster hostile to you>not allowed to defend selfit's just like living in england
>>739131208I saw the thhumbnail and thought he had donkey kong mouth
>>739132591Why is your axe trying to eat you?
>>739131208Ewww a nigger game.This much like BET, rap and robbing liquor stores isnt for me.
>>739131527>enemiesthey're indigenous animals with a right to exist
>>739131949Subnautica 1. How the devs managed to make it so good while bungling the other games is a mystery.
>>739140486You could also ram shit to death with the seamoth. Which is the expected result of a fish vs seamoth collision. Personally the fact that you can't even kill the peeper equivalent with the sub or weird axe thing is an insult to immersion and interactivity within a game.
I can't tell what's worse, pretending murder with guns was more common than hunting with guns despite the fact that the population went way up after firearms were invented, or that hatchets and hammers can't kill animalsThey could just make sense and say weapons are limited because the evil corporation employing everyone doesn't want a mutiny, but instead they have to gaslight everyone with their retardation. This post >>739132521 is spot on too.
>>739144438this, the devs are fucking retarded for not making this into a battle PEAK-esque game instead of this survival slop shit
>>739131517first game is the best game ever madeI'm not playing the sequel though
>>739131517>E33cuck talking shitNice assetflop game coming out of your mouth faggotYou will never be relevant
>>739132586
>>739132801Yea cos not having combat makes the game more unique.
>>739150217makes it shit too
>>739131208If you aren't a killing game, you're a dying game.
>YOU WILL NOT DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST THE REFUG- ER, FISH>LEARN TO ACCEPT THE ATTACK
>>739131208how about I save money and play Nier: Automata again
>grabs innocent looking fish with big googly eyes>it gives me sad eyes and starts to cry underwater>I jump into my escape pod and slowly insert the fish into the fabricators hungry arms>I gaze deeply into the sad fish eyes as it's getting cooked to death, a though comes to my mind:>why can this machine kill a fish but I can only deliver it to be sacrificed?>that's when I realize I am worshipping a machine god
>>739147181touch me tadpoleyer my enemyshrimple as
>>739131208It's fine. Even if the first Subnautica game had a knife, they've balanced the second game where predatory fish go non-aggro for a while if you hit them with the impact tool. Ball and Gun Gamers will get bored of a game that is 50% exploration and 50% basebuilding. I respect the devs for actually not bowing to the pressure.
Libtardation aside, not being able to kill the fish is a good gameplay decision. Rodeoing the ghost leviathan with a prawn suit was kino and felt properly endgame thoughbeit.
I wish I could have some kind of sandbox mode with a character creator where instead of some dork with a son or some spec ops glowie with an edgy tattoo I just play as a faceless nameless nobody getting stranded in the middle of nowhere trying to survive.
>>739131208>it is 2026 and we are rehashing the "NOOOO WHY AREN'T THERE AR-15'S IN THE UNDERWATER GAME!!!"
>>739133328underrated post
>>739131208They are right though? Not every game needs to be the same. If you want a combat focused one then you'd play something else.
>>739150679but we're also taught if a migrant.. fish breaks into your home you're also not allowed to defend yourself.
>>739152674this but ICE fish
I'm having a Blast(tm) unironicallyWhere the fuck do I get this depth module for the tadpole? I went to the SW area from the research base but I can't see any wreckage.
>>739131208I've always felt the subnautica devs would be better served if they just shut the fuck up, since they clearly aren't very good at speaking diplomatically. The first game had a similar row over no guns, and rather than try to make a pithy statement about gun violence like they did, they should've just said "yeah the evil corporation doesn't want employees 3D printing guns and don't care about your survival enough to have weapons you can access in a survival situation." This is basically a retread of that, only they haven't learned their lesson and even doubled down. It was horribly inefficient, but you could still kill things larger than peepers in Sub1, and cobbling together effective self-defense out of tools has its own appeal. If things like the Stasis Gun could trivialize a reaper leviathan, that clearly didn't impact people's enjoyment enough to matter. I'm reserving judgement until 2 is actually properly out, but I've always suspected they didn't quite understand why the first was such a break-out hit. Below Zero sucking was the warning, since hot off their smash hit they didn't seem to understand what people liked about it. What I've seen of 2 has been reminding me of Soma, not sure if they can stick that landing.
>>739131208So are they going to give people a refund if they don't like it?
>>739132445>Hurr>Durr>Popular thing? Me play>WHOA! POPULAR THING 2?>ME PLAYThere you go.
>>739153017Why should they?
>>739144380fih
>this game contains violent fish.>cool, will we get a way to defend ourselves>ERRRRM AWKWARD? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST DO NOTHING WHILE THE FISH KILL YOU, CHUD!
>>739131208i didn't play subnautica because it had no combatmuch to my satisfaction, subnautica 2 had a black on the cover art, vindicating my decision not to play the originalsons of the forest i don't know but if subnautica devs recommend it, i won't play either
>>739154037>THE REASON THEY WON'T LET ME FIGHT THE FISH IS BECAUSE OF THE WOKE SJW DUMOCRATS AND (political vomit)
>>739154175subnautica has combat
>>739154197Yes. That is exactly what they're doing.They really need to release at least a roadmap for defensive measures because as of right now they're all shit and nothing is useful for protecting your base from all the hostile fauna that will chew your ass as soon as you leave your base or beat up your vehicles while they're docked.
>>739131341Stop noticing the patterns
>>739152647The first one wasn't combat focused either. It still had combat as a option if you were in a pinch or just felt like it It just discouraged combat by enemies dropping nothing and combat options being weak, it was still something you could do.>>739154175No it does, you can kill most things.
>>739154561don't be so antisemitic
>>739154492Is it a case of devs falling for the meme of their own game? Thinking about it as the run away from fish sim.
>>739154634*antiseptic
>>739139413I couldn't help but read this in his voice
>>739155084Is this a shitty game that sucks ass?
>>739131341Every kind of "hey our game exists" is "hey our game exists".
>>739154590>>739154224well, the combat is really barebones. are you saying the second one doesn't even have that much?
>>739155181Imagine quoting the wrong guy, when you actually wanted to reply to: >>739132801Couldn't be me.
>>739155219it doesn't have any
>>739131208Fucking gay baby "horror" game with cartoon finding neemo looking ass fish.
>>739132445You are the retard if you're expecting retards to take care of themselves. Retards are a force of nature that smashes into things. Your job as a human is it to build things in a way that they can withstand the retards, because the retards are not going to change. It's like trying to teach an earthquake that it's rude to shake somebodies house.
>>739131208Why do you keep reposting this shit?
>>739150268poor zoombrains
>>739155245like, at all? not even a knife?
Why is everyone streaming this game?It looks fucking boring
>>739155219You can't do damage at all let alone kill fish.
>>739155429Nah, you get a "survival multitool" and "sonic resonator", but they don't do damage to fish. The only "combat" is the fish attacking you.
Why are fish allowed to hurt me but I can't retaliate?
>>739155618>>739144892
>>739131208This is a play with your wife game. Just enjoy it. It's not like you can only play one game ever. Unless you're an autistic retard or something.
>>739155618Because apparently the devs got into their head that this is a straight up horror game. Not even a survival horror which usually give you options for fighting back and the last game arguably fits in, just straight horror.
Why are zoomers so addicted to meaningless bullshit drama? What is wrong with them?
>>739155563>>739155472>PETA makes a game
>>739131208Is Don Matrick the new goal for modern devs?
>>739132485His don’t work till you take yours,kike
>>739131341this
>>739155618Ever played Outlast? It's considered one of the best horror games and honestly it's perfect for an alien underwater world.
You don't even have to kill it. Just bonk it a few times to make it fuck off hell maybe drop something you can craft with. Anything is better then getting bullied by chad fish spawn camping you
>>739156148Come outside diver, we won't jump you.
>>739131949Barotrauma
>>739155618Because colonialism or something.
>haha i ignored the nature of your criticism and told you to fuck offPeople aren't saying they want to kill leviathans, we've moved past that conversation since Subnautica 1 where people bitched about it and it was explained to them why big guns making it easy to kill leviathans would make the game shit.The complaints this time aren't that, there is literally no way to get the small and medium-sized predators to fuck off permanently. In 1, if you had a particularly annoying boneshark or stalker who kept coming around your base, you could just stab him to death and problem solved. It's not like that'd be impossible for a human to do and it wasn't really a big deal to get rid of a minor annoyance, as opposed to leviathans which are closer to game mechanics than enemies.If you don't want to let people kill them, then give them non-lethal ways of repelling hostile creatures from the area around their base, like some kind of high-pitched frequency or the ocean equivalent of tear gas. Problem is, people would exploit that and just set them up everywhere. If only you had some kind of low-power weapon that you had to carry around and it was still kind of a pain in the ass to kill the things and the creatures would respawn after a while anyway. Maybe something really shit like a small knife would be just enough to get the job done.It isn't scary to be hounded by dog-sized fish, it's just kind of irritating, and anger is poison to fear and tension. It is extremely counter-productive if they're going for horror.
It's amazing that developers these days make choices that everyone could've told their players wouldn't like, then act snobbish when their players give them the obvious negative reaction.
>>739156434Seems reasonable.
>>739156434>>739156580I wanna kill all the leviathans
>>739156629you could in 1 but it took ages and you got nothing so most people didn't try and kill them. Seems like the best of both worlds
>>739156839I killed a bunch, especially the ghost cunt in the lost river, had a base down there and its death satisfied me greatly
>>739150268Please don't tell me you're one of those retards who thought using stasis and heat-daggering a leviathan to death was "fun" and "cool"
Question for those of you fellas who played subnautica 1 and 2. I really liked 1 for the atmosphere. Does 2 manage to replicate it?
>>739157113no
>>739141192>slowerFeels the same speed to me and a bullet with the wings.
>>739131341yes, and very obviously
>>739157113No.
>>739157081It was fun and cool not being annoyed by all the leviathans I killed
>>739157136>>739157243where does it fall short? I find it hard to describe why I liked subnautica 1 so much but it really did feel like you're in the deep ocean and it scared the shit out of me with the sounds and the unknown depths
Automate mass munitions to kill the wildlife like in factorio mod when?
>>739131208Imagine being more of a baby game than palworld
>>739157282the music sucks, of course they fired the guy that made the music in 1, it sucked just as much
>>739157859just as much in BZ*
I find it far more interesting to have to play around and be careful of the leviathans and smaller hostile animals. Going into the Crash Zone and Dunes to gather materials while dodging and sneaking past the Reapers is far more fun than just slaughtering them and having nothing to give me a challenge.
>>739147181And i have a right to kill them.
>>739158806And they have every right to kill you.
>>739158806
>>739131341If they want, I can still deprive them of a sale to legitimize the drama.
It feels like you can't even interact with them and they are some immortal thing that just fuck with you. Like if you ram your sub into one it should make it move or something don't even have to kill em just make em tangible
>>739155034I wasnt dumb enough to buy it but I assume you still grab small fish then shove them into a machine that fries them for food or pops them for water
>>739131571Bro, I found a glider nearly on the first day by randomly going boating around the coast. Yeah it's really fun
>>739132521Mod will fix it and make the game playable, just like in Subnautica 1.
2 really needs a Reaper equivalent that's present in most biomes. Squidward is contained to two spots and you can get around him pretty easily, plus he isn't really that scary when you get a good look at him. There needs to be a roaming motherfucker that will make you hesitate stepping outside of your base, especially at night.
Subnautica is the only example where being woke actually held back the game's potential. Everyone knows games are at their best when you're fighting giant fucking monsters and then crafting hats out of their hides.
>>739160585Name of gaem?
>>739160609Grounded 1 or 2. Fantastic combat, and the enemies are so fucking strong that they can still kill you or gang up on you so the tension and fear never goes away.
Are there autistic mutant waifus and retarded serfs in Subnautica 2? I don't think so. Another couple Ls for Sub2
>>739160392Not being able to fight Reapers means they're just an annoyance. They serve no real purpose other than temporarily blocking off areas so you have to wait for them to leave. Thrilling. Should probably be removed from the game since.
>>739131341it will work because people that get involved in internet drama are mentally retarded.just look at this thread for proof
>>739131208If they don't like violence why do they force me to eat slugs?
>>739160392Game's still being worked on, we'll get more leviathans and other predators.
>>739160871That do what, exactly? All we'll ever be able to do is avoid them or chase them off.
>>739160914deal w/ it lil baby
Is this the first game in the world where you can choose the character but none of them is white?Subversive, but also purely performative since it's 1st person and you never see yourself.
>>739160914That act as hazards, just like every other hostile creature in all three of these games? I honestly don't understand what all of the pissing and farting you people are making about this subject is about.
This game is literally Monster Hunter except you don't get to bring a weapon. You just collect stuff and get horribly mauled by the wildlife. Are they OK? The devs I mean. Are they mentally sound?
>>739160965State of Decay 2 tried really hard to push white men out of the cast, but there was still a couple.
>>739160965Indeed, the rampant genociding continues, this video game is the tipping point and soon you and I will be taken to the camps and loaded into the incinerator.
>>739161065Then you need to play more games where you need to fight stuff and see how much better the game gets.
>>739161065It's culture war slop. They don't want to play the game, they just want to own the devs.
>>739159776>I assume you still grab small fish then shove them into a machine that fries them for food or pops them for waterThis shit is so comically bad. At least Minecraft intuitively makes sense despite the whole hunger system feeling so unnecessary. You put meat inside a oven, add a fuel resource, then you naturally get cooked meat. Even the simple act of eating the food is more appealing. Subnautica just prints you a bottle with drinkable water after putting purple fish inside the unlimited magic crafting machine, then you click on the item and the bar (Forma Azul) instantly fills up. The process is the exact same for the bar (Forma Laranja), just with different small fish you can find in abundance.The whole gameplay feels like someone's first Unity project. It's that shallow and mindless.
>>739161110I've played a million of them. I enjoy the occasional game where you're actually in peril.
>>739161095>"It's not happening chud!"I eagerly await your followup where you say:>"It's happening, but it's a good thing!"
Subnautica is only good because it hides the objectives. You keep playing with the anticipation that it's going to get bigger and better without knowing the first thing you did in the game (collect items and get an upgrade) is basically just the entire game loop and will keep repeating it over and over until the end of the game. By the time you realize the truth it's already too late, you're disappointed but at the end of the day you had your fun playing the game.
>>739131208El goblino atrocidad...
>>739161149This, it needs to be incredibly deep and involved. Cooking a fish should take fifteen minutes in real time and require ten different things every time.
A black woman...underwater...a marine biologist. The devs pushing this shit alone should cause the game to flop. Wtf is it? A slow month for gaming were nothing else came out so people randomly bought this????Then only after reading the terms and conditions their upset?Is the entire game her just shouting at fish
>>739161230You've played a million casual games. Play non-babby games where the enemies you fight are a challenge.>>739161265You do visit deadlier biomes eventually.
>>739161260If only we were strong enough to prevent it. Whatever happened to that whole master race thing?
Wait, why are there reapers in sub2? Isn't it set on a different planet than 1?T. Has no idea about the game
>>739161313>Play non-babby games where the enemies you fight are a challengeYou're free to suggest some.
>>739161317>he already admits it's happeningholy shit, that's gotta be a record!
>>739161351Different planet
>>739161363The news would be talking nonstop about it if it was.
>>739161409Then why would it have reapers? Or are people referring to a different reaper when talking about s2?I ask because that's not how any type of marine biology would work. Even a difference of .01% would make literally everything that evolves different
>>739161289Funny enough, even your strawman would be a better implementation of a hunger mechanic, if the goal is to survive a harsh environment where you feel "le helpless".Alternatively, delete the entire mechanic if it's going to be pointless and redundant busy work.
>>739161445The propaganda wing of the democrat party would be talking about something that would rouse the white majority against their desired outcome? Why in the world would it do that?
>>739161504I mean you can play in normal mode which removes the mechanic. I usually play games on hard mode but when it comes to Subnautica the food/water mechanic is just an annoyance.
>>739161670no its not cunt
>>739161475There aren't any Reapers in 2. There's other leviathans but they're not dangerous roamers like Reapers.
>>739161504I don't see where your seething hatred for the game comes from. Even with the hamfisted survival mechanics, the game itself is beautiful and fun to explore in. It's more of an inventory management nuisance than an active detriment. From a design perspective it's likely because the game functions by gating your progression this way. If you could infinitely craft anything anywhere, you would just beeline through the whole world. The hunger shit forces you to go in bigger and bigger radius of distance away from your home base as your movement and tech progresses
>>739131527Why would you want to attack enemies that are trying to kill you and your home?
>>739161520I love listening to you people. Is your bunker up to date and freshly stocked? Don't forget the ammo.
>>739162058Why aren't you playing Resident Evil or Doom if all you want to do is slaughter everything that moves?
>>739162205I love how you never address the valid points raised against you and still somehow think to yourself that you won.
>>739134365>Honest to God, I think this game is dogshit or laughably overrated at the very least.I was wondering at the time why everyone thought it was good>Collecting bladderfish to produce water to raise the thirst barThe worst part is that fish depleteThe devs stated the point was to push players to explore more rather than sit still... which is very unfun and not at all conveyed to you, you simply start to see where you've been become a barren wasteland and go "Wow, this looked better 30 minutes ago"And even more confusingly they added fish farms which is contrary to the point of forced exploration via starvationI don't think the devs understand video games
>>739133328This.I philosophically do not agree with not defending yourself while faced with danger.
I talked about it in a different thread but heres teh summary:Subnautica’s core loop is exploration, but exploration stops being rewarding when players feel completely powerless in every dangerous biome. Right now, hostile creatures can permanently control areas because the player has no meaningful way to remove threats, only briefly delay them. The stasis rifle and perimeter defense don’t solve the problem long term; predators recover almost instantly and resume attacking, turning encounters into repetitive annoyance instead of tension. Allowing creatures to be killed wouldn’t ruin the atmosphere if balanced correctly. It would add player agency, create risk-versus-reward decisions, and make progression feel earned. Fear works best when players have difficult choices, not when the game removes choice entirely.
>>739162440I mocked you and you think I'm one of your demons. You need psychological help.
>>739136309I have anti-anti-pancake fatigue [cat reaction image]
>>739162527Shut the fuck up nazi.
>>739162527People already made insta-kill weapon mods, just download it.>>739162618Bot or jeet, like there's a difference.
>>739131208Has there been a case where devs told people to fuck off to another game and actually won, as in getting a lot of sales?
>>739162527>predators recover almost instantlyDamnImagine making a stun gun and then making it not workSadistic
Well if you play Subnautica in survival you kill small fish to eat. So the devs are fucking retarded.
>>739132762I had a hunch from the beginning that Krafton was right in delaying the launch. Imagine if they had released it almost a year ago like they originally intended to.
>>739159965Lucky. I wanted to do that but my friends went "fuck your boat, this shit is slow" and rushed into the jungle in their stupid unicycles...
>>739162561Who said anything about demons? I do think you're a shithead lib though. I don't think you can honestly deny that much. Not when you so giddily revel in whites being genocided.
>>739162701A full charge stops something for thirty seconds. Put several of the Gasopod balls in their face and they die in five. Everyone who pisses and sharts themselves in retard rage over not being able to easily kill anything in the game is a glass-eating lobotomized faggot.
>>739131208>Dude was nice enough to point out a kino alternative to a vocal group of players >You all send him death threatsYou guys are retards
>>739162865I too like to proclaim everyone else is what I imagine them to be, especially on the cesspool that is 4chan.>>739162893Your first day here? If they weren't so terrified of consequences /v/irgins would have been responsible for hundreds if not thousands of murders of game devs.
>>739162949>I too like to proclaim everyone else is what I imagine them to beAnon, you've literally voiced these opinions in your posts. I know the gaslight is libtards' favorite tool but you're not half as good at it as you seem to think
>>739162020>I don't see where your seething hatred for the game comes fromIt's an overrated mega success where just about every core mechanic feels dated and many other games in this genre or adjacent are more engaging or have more depth in terms of item crafting, building structures, surviving a harsh environment, etc. The weird justification over having little to no combat is the cherry on top of it that makes me want to criticize it even more, as opposed to any other game I'm not into that I ignore completely. It sounds like a total rubbish excuse considering how (and you've said it yourself) hamfisted the survival mechanics are in Subnautica. To me, it immediately rings alarm bells that the real reason why the devs refuse to implement weaponry is because they just cannot find a way to make it fun, not because they are so deluded that they genuinely believe they're contributing to a world with less guns (hell, and if that IS the case, that makes it even worse).
>>739163009Show me where I voiced them.
>>739163294The game isn't made for combat. Simple as that. If I wanted to play underwater Rambo I'd play something else.
If you buy an early access game and sit there whingeing and whining that the game is incomplete then that's on you, not the devs.Early Access is literally a fancy way of saying "demo" it's just most modern day gamers are too retarded and autistic to process this in their heads. If you're too dumb to realize that then it aint the devs fault.And fuck this EULA bullshit you are all so worried about, you paid for it, you own your copy of the game and always will so don't panic. You'll always be able to play it... What are you so worried about, steam collecting your data over how many hours you've played it? steam does that with every game in your library... the PS network does it too.... When did worrying about EULA's ever become a thing in the first place???? like it's 2026 and all of a sudden gamers are taking the time to read EULA's with new games they buy???? You spent money on it.... Play ya fuckin game already and stop worrying about nothing ya pack of autistic fuckin clowns!!!
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>>739163368We'll cry as much as we want to, tranny, we were swindled by this trash and we're angry.
>>739163347I've played puzzle and adventure games without combat before. I don't think that's a novel concept as you seem to think it is.>not made for combatIt's not made for serious survival either, especially when you have people ITT recommend playing on another difficulty because those mechanics are mostly a nuisance.
>>739163469>you should totally listen to the opinions of whiny babiesNo thanks, I enjoy a challenge that isn't removed by pumping some lead into it.
>>739163309Right here:>>739161095>>739161317Someone who both teases something happening and then revels in it happening immediately after (and I called it too, lol) is happy about replacement migration. Which is a legally defined form of genocide btw.Now hurry up and start typing up your flippant dismissal of blatant, observable reality.
>>739163530Ok, but the survival shit is not remotely challenging. You're just arguing in circles now.
>>739163561I see you're also autistic. It's okay, not everyone understands sarcasm.
>>739163647When was anything about these games challenging? You respawn after you die like nothing happened. Did you cry about that in Sub 1 and Zero? I also love how you claim there's no challenge yet want everything that can possibly challenge you removed because it's annoying.
>>739163658And why are people sarcastic, anon? It's because you were reveling in your political opponents being bothered by something. It's wild you don't think I can parse your exact political beliefs because of some bad hyperbole
>>739163717Am I talking to two different people or some retarded schizo?>the survival mechanics feel shallow and brainless, might as well switch to a difficulty that disables them>no, I enjoy a challenge!>but the survival mechanics are not challenging>hurr durr it was never meant to be challengingWhat are you even on about.
>>739131949Aquaria
/v/ shitting itself tranny in manufactured outrage over a new game, must be a day ending in -y. None of you pigfuckers even play games, all you do is circlejerk each other's anger.
So is this new game any good, or is it a Below Zero situation but even more pozzed?
>>739164219I play games though, Subnautica 2's base building is great. Multi-level buildings are better than ever, a large room can have multiple moonpools, the room's sizes can be adjusted.But the complaints are valid. Fish are overly aggressive while the Sub1 methods of deterring attacks aren't there, it's super lame that there's no hit feedback.
>>739164360Very good. The AI companion can be a bit too talky when you first need to speak to it, and early game biomes look a bit samey, but besides that, it's great.The Seamoth replacement is lame though, but the upcoming Cyclops replacement seems cool, it will be able to hold 4 vehicles.
>>739141192Honestly most of the caves can't even fit the tadpole, and I like it like that. I like the idea of having to abandon your safety net and go in alone.
I've played all of the early access content and all i can say about the not being allowed to fight back is that i felt no fear and ignored every fish because there was no point interacting with them, they are neutered as to not overwhelm the player to such a degree that they can be ignored.
So you can't kill the fish. So I'm guessing the fish can't kill you either? Where's the stakes?
>>739164656I was bullied all my life. I'm not going to just take it from some god damn fish.
>>739144892>those health pools and damageI hate people like this. The sonic gun that can break fucking titanium deposits should not take like 3 hits to kill a starting zone fish you can grab and cook with the fabricator.Also 300 fucking melee hits to kill the collector? The reaper leviathan only took like 100. Wtf is this guy smoking.
>>739164697Oh, they can kill you, and their aggresiveness is 200% too. And some fucking hate your vehicle, even if you aren't in it.
>>739138972whoa a contrarian opinion on /v/? holy SHIT
>>739131208>We aren't a killing game>you can swim up to various creatures and vaporize them with a sonic gun'kay
>>739164529Alright, guess I'll give it a try after it gets finished. Between Below Zero being subpar, the Krafton absurd lawsuit, and the forced faggotry, I was suspecting it would be a dud.
>>739132521I hit your mom with my tool and got no response. ಠ﹏ಠ
>>739164929Honestly I'd way wait for the next patch, it's supposed to have lots of QoL stuff and some new content. Buy the game and wait for the patch to come out.
>dont like our shit game? play a different shit game instead!
>>739165326I'm not buying shit until it's finished.
>>739131208>https://youtu.be/jzmVcasl3ZU?si=6D3eXIzhAg54Ddf7
>>739143020I'm a bit late, but it sounds like Casualties:Unknown is more your speed than this.I suspect the people who say people are calling for guns in Sub2 when all we want is to beable to axe the fish are simply trolls.
The Hammerhead is the best part of Sub2 and I hope nothing about it is ever changed.
>>739132586I knew the studio winning against the publisher would be a disaster and I was right and I feel vindicated. The publisher probably wanted the game to be less gay.
>implying punching a Reaper 100 times to death isn't cool as shit
>>739166281They also wanted to release an ultra-unfinished early access. We launched with 5 biomes and it's really small, Unknown Worlds wanted to release TWO BIOMES for early access.
>>739166368So you waited an extra year and still got a big fat diarrhea dump on a plate. At least with them, it could have been good. Now it's guaranteed to be dogshit.
>>739160965All they had to do is make an actual character creator. But no.
>>739131390tpbp
>>739131208Why are they trying to make it a thing, I thought everyone knew that. Original didn't really have combat either and the excuse was that the weird worst of both worlds corpo dei nanny state doesn't allow you to print guns because reasons.
>>739166674Peoole are both sides are making annoying political arguments, the issue is that fish are immortal and at 200% aggressiveness.
>>739164768Yeah, but it's better than what we started with. I'm sure you can also change the damage values in the mod itself.I have more problems with the dev itself. Somehow the protagonist can destroy ore deposits with his fist or sonic gun but he can't even hurt little fish. You can still have combat while keeping the tension. Imagine subnatica with grounded combat, or even something better. Maybe cools guns like in ratchet and clank. The dev's pacifist stance cucked the game out of its true potential.
>>739166674>Original didn't really have combat eitherFuck off with this lie. Sure it was no FPS with dozens of killing options, but you at least had ways to defend yourself and eliminate threats.
>>739131208>https://youtu.be/J_JVVUnCWnY?t=24HE'S BACK
>>739166674The first game had a knife you could use to cut fish at least.
>>739131341They're not that smart, this is just them being insufferable woketards.
Good morning sirs
>>739132586>you can't get the bonuses, the game is unfinished>years later>unfinished game in early access, where you can't even kill the fish as before
>>739131208>all the food you eat in this survival game comes from killing fishUhhhhh
>>739166721>>739166820>>739166846Wait you literally can't hit the fish at all? Do you just catch the edible fish in hand or have they gone full vegan or something?Like I get designing the game at not being able to fight the big things but if you can't fight back against little shits at all that's retarded and they rightfully got called morons for it.
>>739167025>Wait you literally can't hit the fish at all?Correct.
>>739131208They should put guns in the game but make them permanently break if they ever get wet.
>>739166782Even a building that acts as a repulsion field that keeps things away from your base but uses an asston of energy is enough.There are so many ways to handle the aggressive fauna in this game yet the devs are so insistent on letting you and your base get assfucked constantly.
>>739131208why did they make their chars ugly mutts?
>>739131341That's sadly what it is nowadays. It's usually just Investors pouring money into an awful product, and then trying to stir up controversy for attention by utilizing articles in hopes someone will buy it. I just tend to ignore it because it all blends into each other by the end of the day and the more we ignore it the sooner it will die.
>>739131517based. making the browns seethe.
Can you kill stuff in the first one?
>>739167396Yes, often you kill fish simply by ramming into them with your sub, or you could stab them, or you could drill them to death with the powerdrill on your PRAWN
>>739144892Now everyone should use this, change the config so the mod retains 1000+ corpses and show the dev what is the O P T I M A L way to play this game
>>739131361Could you explain how a game about swimming around an ocean planet is woke?
Watch them end up adding the SHRIMP vehicle that fucking obliterates all fish in a 200m radius in a single punch
>guns guns gunsgimme a fucking knife
>>739167396No, but some old woman can kill an entire leviathan and hang its skull as a trophy in her base.
>person makes game>"I don't like this game">"ok go play a game that has what you like">"How DARE you tell me to go play a game with things I like already in it. You need to change your game to be how I like it!."SN2 haters are functionally no different than the retards demanding fromsoft put in difficulty settings.
>>739168004>subnautica 1>some fishes are agressive>you can hit them with a knife, drill arm, seamoth electric charge or torpedoes>subnautica 2>some fishes are agressive>you cant do shit cause HURR GUNS BAD and get your ass chewed off
>>739168096Subnautica 2 is not Subnautica 1, anon.
>>739168141so inability to defend yourself from shark fucks is a feature?
If you didn't see this coming after the lead dev complained about not having a black woman as the protagonist of Subnautica 1 and fired their sound designer for voting Trump you're retarded.
>>739133116Funny thing is marine mammals other than whales are actually extremely rapey. Like kill a shark and gangbang it's corpse kind of rapey.
>>739156117Outlast and Trials lets you fight back against the psychopaths, there's absolutely zero reason your character should be sitting there better manning as a shark devours his ballsack because killing le animals is wrong
Subnautica is shit because it's a generic repetitive survival crafting game and combat wouldn't fix that.
>>739132586One of the guys who was "screwd over" was slopping up an ai movie when he was supposed to be managing game development
So what happened to all the sentient psychic female fish who craved human cock from the first game?
>>739168504They're on their own planet. Subnautica 2 takes place elsewhere.
Why would I quit playing this one mediocre crafting survival game to play another mediocre crafting survival game? I could play something good instead.
>heavy metals in water>also virus in waterthey dont really need both of those things
>>739168161Yes, it's the game they wanted to make. Not every game needs to be made for your dumb action bro tastes.
>>739131949There's "Beyond Blue". It's a LOT like Endless Ocean but with more of a story... But I play it because the player character has the most magnificent ass I've ever seen in a video game, and you can stare at it forever.
>>739168550Oh, so what's the appeal to this one?
>>739131341I feel like I'm noticing a different pattern>chuds like (You) stir up nonsense to shitpost about>devs politely and conclusively deflate your bullshit, especially since this is the same stance they've always had>(You) feel embarrassed about being completely BTFO'd>trying to regain credence, you act like an outsider that views the entire thing as being manufactured
>>739168856Same appeal as the last two games, you get in to the water and build shit and explore
>>739131208Can you not kill at all whatsoever like you could in the first game, or is combat just not a big focus?
>>739168980Literally every single fish you eat dies from being eaten, but nothing happens when you hit fish swimming in the water
>>739168918Okay, what cool alien structures and civilizations does Subnautica 2 have to explore? Does it have a big crashed ship in the distance to go to like the first?
>>739169014>what cool alien structures and civilizations does Subnautica 2 have to explore?There's a bunch of shit like that, not sure if they're at all the same as the ones from the first two games because the architecture looks so different>big crashed shipYour ship sank 500+ meters deep, you mostly explore abandoned facilities from previous survivors who got revived before you by the AI that bosses you around.The big things you see in the distance is a massive alien tree or something but I don't think you can reach it in the early access, you get raped by leviathans if you try
>>739169014theres a big coral tree and visually boring alien ruins
>>739169090>theres a big coral tree Not explorable, try again>visually boring alien ruinsYou don't say, next
>>739131208What if I want a game that is not a subnotica 1 clone in ue5?
>>739131208i might play sons of the forest since i managed to do everything in this early access in 10 hours.
>>739169220you want a worse underwater game than SN1? BZ then
>>739131208Has this kind of naked disgust and disregard for the valid criticism of a game ever worked out for any developers?Especially the "if you don't like it, don't buy it/play something else", since then people tend to do exactly that and the game ends up a commercial failure.
>>739168912>(you)wnbaw
I know next to nothing about the game. The fact that you are not allowed to kill the enemies in order to defend yourself is making me not even want to try it.
>>739131208I have only ever killed those little bastard crab things in sub1 so this changes nothing for me.
>>739169509The video game industry is still young and retarded. This is why you are supposed to have an official spokesman and make sure the devs are not accessible to the public.
>>739139325Argument was won here
>>739169509They are doing it to have traction. see >>739131341The game itself is not that bad, its just a nothingburger of mediocrity. There is genuinely nothing to say or talk about it here. Its not exceptionally bad in a way you can laugh at it, nor is it good enough to be talked about. Its just a meh, boring game, which exhausts itself in the first hour. It doesn't have the first game's motion because its not even new either as it's just the first game repackaged and ducktaped into unreal 5.
>>739169509unfortunately the games doing really well
>>739168912I dunno, even leddit thinks its kinda dumb they're double dipping on the no #FISHLIVESMATTER thing here.
>>739131208> "Hunting is murder. Meat comes from the supermarket."
>>739155618Cool it with the racism.
>>739136208the whole theme of sub 2 is you get infinite respawns. that ruins any tension you built up at that point. cuz, youre fucking invincible.
>>739134127>Why didn't they just make a hugbox ocean exploration game without any dangers if that is the kind of utopia they want to represent?They did. Noone wanted to buy it so they made Subnautica 1 instead.
>>739131517>I don't play gamesWe know, /v/
>>739170204you even get to keep your toolbar items, its actually retarded
>>739131208Natural Selection 2 was their best game, its a shame its completely dead
>>739131341or they're saying random bullshit they didn't really think about and a billion youtubes who don't play games want anti-woke clicks as revenue is down.
>>739170204>>739170267so... it's just like subnautica 1? tourist faggots fuck off
>>739169991It's been 8 years, there still isn't a good subnautica clone that removes the gay pacifist shit. There's Grounded, but the "Honey, I shrunk the kids" vibe feels lame to me and not as fun as exploring an alien ocean.
I heard that there is no combat because killing is bad and you should co-exist with nature. But it's totally okay to fire up small fish alive to make food.Is that true?
>well, you dont like it? Fuck off then lol
The virtue signalling is baffling because the game lets you mass-murder the herbivore fish en-masse and compost their corpses to power your base, but defending yourself from a carnivore fish makes you Hitler.
>>739170641Yes
>>739168912100%. It is wild that gamers act like complete karens, they demanding every game to be the same (while getting mad that gaming is stagnant) and get pissy when it isn't.Subnautica doesn't need to be another Rust, DayZ, Green Hell, or Zomboid. You already have those games already! Play them instead of getting angry at Subnautica for doing something different.
>>739170641the small fist in the first game are why the ecosystem even manages to survive through the virus. based peepers
>>739170592i remember watching a video from some indie dev who was making a game like this before subnautica came out and the lead dev from unknown worlds followed him, i forgot the name of the game though.
Have the people going CHUD CHUD INCEL CHUD even played the game? Fish will literally rape the Tadpole craft if you leave it unmanned, swarms can chase you non-stop and flares barely do shit, and even the pulse gun barely does anything. It's not game breaking because the only thing that does real damage is in the parasitic coral area, but still annoying.
>>739170735fish*
whats the deal with the voiced lines not matching the text? its like the VA's just improved their first take and that was good enough
>>739131208I don't see the issue with this. You shouldn't play games you don't like hoping the devs turn it something you like, you should just play games you like.
>>739170814a lot of the voice acting sounds AI generated honestly.
>>739169509You're doing the equivalent of going to a chinese restaurant and getting pissed that they aren't ordering tacos for you.You're not judging them on the stuff that they already have, you're judging them on the stuff that doesn't fit their vision to begin with.
>>739170872>food analogy>reddit spacingThe point is they backtracked on what little was available in part 1 which was many people's expectations coming in.
planet crafter is better than this shit
>>739131341I'm not even giving them a pirate. Who in their right mind would look at this nigger and go 'damn that looks fire I'm buying it!'
>>739170872You're doing the equivalent of going to a chinese restaurant and getting pissed that they aren't giving you chopsticks and telling you that you can go to pizzahut if you like utensils so much.
>>739141108Link? Sounds interesting
>Look up the story for this game>"Actually chud the khara virus mutated and escaped so all your work from the first game means fuck all">The purpose is supposed to escape earth for a....desert planetMaybe kraton was right
>>739170872It's a survival sandbox game. You should be able to defend yourself, and killing something is the most permanent way to stop them from fucking with your shit.If the devs really wanted to dissuade players from killing something, maybe make the fish come back with their friends to gangbang you or something. give the player some real consequences. That or maybe allow us to befriend/tame them so they can defend you. Making living animals immortal/removing interactivity is terrible for a game that relies so much on it's immersion and sandbox gameplay.
>>739131208>can't win in iran>have to make every video game about killing Are American just mental ill? Can you not enjoy a video games where you don't kill stuff?
This shit is so retarded because EVEN THE NON-LETHAL TOOLS don't interact with the sea life in 2. In Subnautica 1 you had a variety of tools to deter attackers. They just turned on god mode and called it a day.
>>739171417Kharaa is a bacterium. This game is about a virus. Viruses and bacteria are two different things.
Okay so why is there no silver thoughI need it
>>739171458Its still a lazy retelling of the first games story complete with a crashed ship and everything
>>739171424not every game needs to be like rust, them not allowing you to kill will make you approach it differently than deleting it with a gun
Something something killing fish in games something somthing *hints to America* something somthing sandyhook Wait what was that last part?
>>739131208The wildlife can and WILL kill you without even any provocation. But if you fight back you're the bad guy.It's a commentary on living as a white man in a diverse society
>>739138586I'm not asking for a horde shooter I'm just asking for a speargunthere is helpless and then there is "unable to fashion a pointy bit of metal using a star trek replicator" helpless and the latter kind is not fun, its just boring and tedious
>>739171424That's the funny thing. 1 had defenses. You had two seperate non-lethal energy guns, and then a superheated knife which was lethal, you had soundwave torpedos and decoy missiles from vehicles, and an armed mech with a drill arm.
>>739131208Their gay little message would hit a lot harder if they *did* allow you to kill shit but then show the devastating ecological damage doing so does, and actively impedes on you own survival. But that would actually be hard to do so they won't.
>>739168912It's the most voted for thing on their feedback site and the votes against it pale in comparison while the votes for it continue to rise. It really makes the game feel bad compared to prior titles, even the shitshow that is BZ. The only response the devs really give boils down to them assuming people are going to mass extinct the ocean so they should just not let people have the option at all which is just an absolutely insane jump to make and they refuse to have any type of constructive discourse about it, instead just accusing people of wanting to kill fish for the sake of it and telling them to play another game instead. Hardly anybody is even disagreeing that it was stupid you could kill leviathans and are okay if those are unkillable and they still make that assumption. Nothing has been deflated, the stance is the same as the first two games, sure, but the method of conveying it has changed in a way that is unappealing and immersion breaking when the other games are applauded for the deep immersion they provide. They're just either pretending to be so dense they can't understand what people are saying or genuinely think everyone that is saying this is a genocidal maniac that wants to be the ocean terrorist and kill every fish in the game so it's empty which just sounds boring as shit to me, personally. They could just give less lethal ways of dealing with things around the base etc and that would shut a large portion of complaints up although probably introduce balance issues.>>739170693Posts like this are from disingenuous faggots that focus on one part of the explanation while disregarding anything else surrounding it, nobody fucking wants a call of duty fish game, we want the game to feel real like the last ones, if I ram a fish with a speeding hunk of solid titanium on accident or on purpose I want it to react like I did, not make me take damage while it sits there static and unmoving from the impact it just ate with no reaction to it at all.
>>739171567ALTEEEERRAAAAANSWE MUST BE BETTER CORPORATE WORKERSWHAT MY WIFE DID WITH THE LEVIATHAN IS HER BUSINESS
>>739171567>It's a commentary on living as a white man in a diverse societyWe're not all Americans sorry you have to fight against spics and negros daily and your leaders are rich oligarch who got rich with stocks.
>Subnautica 1's MC raped the environment and murdered so many of the local fauna that it traumatized the troon devsWhat a fucking CHAD.
>People are actually surprised by thisReminder that the first game had a old feminist woman survive the virus and kill multiple leviathans just because shes a hole
>>739171527They could make killing not worthwhile under most circumstances without making the fish immortal which is really stupid. The original subnautica was actually fine with this until you got the gas torpedos and especially the prawn suit.
>Every biome has a hostile fish>Some even spawn camp you>NOOO GOY THINK OF THE SANDY HOOK VICTIMS YOU DON'T NEED TO KILL THAT FISH
>>739147363They fired a bunch of staff for having the wrong political views. It would appear that firing all the chuds and leaving oly the highly creative progressives mysteriously did not result in a better product.
>>739131208the stupidest thing is that there's literally no interactivity to the sea life, they don't interact with each other at all. Why not make it so they hunt each other? wtf is this ecosystem where the predators just go around aimlessly.
>>739131341 >>739140887>>739154561>>739156071>>739157214but you're the only people that need to come up with retarded controversies to get any traction This is what you always do
Riley "if it has gills, I move in for the kill" RobinsonRiley "fried fish columbine" Robinson
>>739134365I was one of the early adapters of the game. I liked it but it IS incredibly overrated and it's blatantly unfinished. They gutted half the features they were working on and there is 0 reason to explore 90% of the map. They sat on their hands for ages not actually adding anything or making fixes to the game. I'm funny convinced they only have the experience somewhat engaging by accident. Then they turn out to be a bunch of retarded left wing ideologues and that killed off any sympathy I had for them. Also the dogshit that was below zero
>>739171803but they do?
>>739171803That ruins the leftie's peaceful narrative.
>>739171724I thought it was because she was a hardened mercenary
>>739131208>go play something elseAlright.
>>739171803In Sunbautica 1, one of the early game enemies would literally get distracted if you gave it a piece of metal, and even had a chance to drop a rare material.
>>739171803> they don't interact with each other at all.Why lie? Hammerheads ram into each other and into the coral crabs
>>739134365The game gets carried HARD by the setting.It's just one of those "only game to do it well enough"-deals.
>>739171863>Why lie?You expect some poorfag to afford a $20 when the only games he plays are f2p competitive skinnerboxes "games" come on anon.
>16 hour culture war thread just getting to bump limit Wow, the culture war is really dead nowHow did the right lose so badly?
>>739171901I'm still confused how Subnautica's wildlife reactivity is political.
>>739144380>'ish on 'oard
>>739171934The original game was an overt statement on gun control as per the lead developer, who fired the sound guy for being milquetoast conservative on his private Twitter account
>>739171831As a centrist fuck, I think it's funny to see genz rightoids think the left wants peace.The true lefties are tankies. They aren't just violent, they don't just see violence as the ultimate solution that the state must maintain a monopoly on, bu they expect the state TO USE IT. REGULARLY.They're called tankies because they support the soviet ideology of tolling out T-priorversion tanks on the populous when ever they get uppity.Never forget that lefties don't want peace, they want you in pieces.
>>739172017Pipe down kid you and I both know the only kind physical altercation you've ever gotten into is being shoved into the dirt by your elementary school bully
>>739172087I don't get into physical altercations, I'm not a violent lefty, I'm a centre-left ideologue.
>>739172167Lol I'm sorry for assuming you were masculine in any capacity, now go tell mommy about the internet bullies taking your knife away
>>739171527Yeah, it lowers complexity. If you could kill, players would spend more time weighing their decisions between exploration, combat, and fleeing. Killing something would take more resources and risk a reprint, but now you're allowed more freedom to explore without being nibbled to death.Subnautica 1 would've been fine if the stasis rifle wasn't so OP and allowed you to gas everything to death.
>>739131208nigger devs, too bad, i like the game
>>739171724you mean the dlc right? different writers and shit.
>>739160638It's a hell of a lot easier with more people though, since their health/damage doesn't scale with the amount of player
>>739141108I got the audio log saying this is likely the last human alive and I was so confused. Makes the no weapon thing extra funny>Yeah bro just get genocided by cannibalistic spaceboat wogsThey stick to their ideology, I'll give them that.
>>739164360It's below zero 2 electric boogaloo
I don't understand why people are so mad about the devs saying this. They're giving people who don't like sub 2 a good recc for what they do like. Why is this a bad thing?
>>739173464Context
>>739173492Provide it please
>>739157859Not only that the entire sound design was messed up. You had sounds that would indicate danger similar to Stalker where due to a-life, gunshots or mutant growling means an actual threat is near rather than just BZ's constant noise of the same 2 predators being everywhere and audible for miles.
>>739173718Read the thread. The developers made things overtly political with various other retarded actions and statements
I completely agree with the Subnautica devs that their monsters should be (basically) unkillable, but I don't like the reasoning they use for it.
>>739168809>Embracing the same inclusive development process Nah. It's gonna preach.
