You did give him his ring back?
Yeah, but only so I could steal it again then murder him.
>>739140063what was this guy's problem?
>>739140063yeah it isn't that great and you get a nice discount on the first store where you can get some starter shit.I don't fuck him over in the other quest either, Fargoth is a bro.
>>739140063You can get the ring later anyway.
Fuck him. In the landmark case of Finders Keepers v. Losers Weepers, the law says I could keep it and even walk straight into his house and fuck his mother.
Fuck no. That ring is OP at the start. It allows you to travel.Heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal heal.Also get the bound spear from the tiger in Balmora (?) the first town, after the cock town. The one with all the arab huts.
>>739140063Fargoth? More like FAGGOT amiright bros LMAAAOOOO
>>739140063I did but then I had another quest to betray him clogging up my journalSorry not sorry faggoth, completion comes first
skinny lizards boys
>>739140063Of course. Dude got his ring taken by dickhead guards, it’d be a dickhead move to pocket it yourself after being fresh off the boat. Living in Morrowind already fucking sucks, why would I make someone’s life even worse?
>>739140804Where did you get a picture of me?
>start new game>take fargoth's ring>use it in Addamasartus>use it on the way to Balmorra and a few quests around>go back to Seyda Neen>give it back>buy useful stuff from Arille >tell Hriskaar to go fuck himselfI'd never do my nigger Fargoth dirty in the end. I have a feeling that him and I are about to become very close.
Yes, and that wood elf who has the exact same lines in that Cyrodiil start as well
>>739142532I like how there's one big hole in High Rock because no one made the damn eastern Breton architecture set yet
But to wipe out an entire fucking Great House?Let me tell you a couple of three things. Forget the Camonna Tong. Forget our Ebony that goes to the Empire and never comes back. Forget about the Temple.Vedam Dren has no respect for this thing. He's never done the Seven Graces, not really. He's a guy who stepped over his own people to grab the big seat. Listen to me, they let anybody and everybody join over there, and the way that they do it is all fucked up. Beast races don't get whipped. It either has meaning, or it has no meaning. And the Crassius thing, the man harbors a faggot!We got four fucking Great Houses then we got this other pigmy thing over in Balmora. There's no scribs in my scrib book.
>>739140063is it Fargoth shaking day
>>739140772This nigga probably gave away Fargoth's gold to that snownigger as well, lmao at your life
Twenty years of playing this game and I had no idea you could make your own enchanted scrolls.
>>739140063just buy hearth heal, its way better than his ring
>>739140063Imagine what went on in the minds of strong Colovian warrior women during the Camoran Usurper's invasion as they got captured and enslaved by necromancers who looked and sounded like that
Coincidence? I think NOT!
>>739144352looks nothing like each other
sex with dunmer women
>>739144352Intriguing take. Post an older Pangaea reconstruction.
>>739144352What else is Todd hiding from us?
>>739145945Is that an amphitheater at the bottom right?
>You do not know the word.
Yeaah... something like that...
>>739140063Yes! I didn't even steal his ring back. I never accept the quest from the Nord, who wants to squeeze money from honest Elves.
I’m zero summing
Yeah but then I stole it from his hiding spot.
>>739146756Oh yes, my fellow Bretons! We must all be like this anonymous poster and snuff out antimerism wherever it is found! And also Redguards belong in Skyrim!
>>739140063Yes but I stole something more precious.
>>739146924>dude le altmer are le jews who encourage migration XD>when the Imperials are canonically the ones who turned the whole continent into a cosmopolitan multiracial societyCommon Skyrim secondary cringe
Fargoth is a bitch nigga.
>>739141073>why would I make someone’s life even worseBecause I can lol.
Do you think Fargoth survived the Red Year?
>>739146924why do these epic maymays never include the beast races even doe they canonically hate men and the empire to only a slightly lesser extent than the elves
>>739140804My HERO
>>739147501He didn't even survive his encounter with the Nerevarine
>Make a new character.>Start in Anvil>Spend a good 30-40 hours there>Realize it's still missing Sutch and Kvatch and some of the guild questlines like the Fighters just Abruptly stop.Honestly, kind of lost all motivation to continue this character.
>>739147624PTR's worldbuilding does a very good job at hammering it in that the 4 races of Men are the only ones who are really thriving and happy with the Empire on a national level. Makes one understand why it's sometimes called the Empire *of Men*
>>739147860If you had fun for 30-40 hours I’d say it was worth it.
Markarth Side when?
>>739147624Because, just like in real life, the beast races aren't the problem but instead the symptom. It's the (((elves))) that are the source.
>>739140580Demon/Devil weapons for sale in Balmora was a fucking nuts idea, what were they thinking? You literally don't have to swap out weapons until you find actual daedric or a nice artifact
>>739140063Yes, it's funnier to steal it right back than to just keep it.
>>739148197Yah, what is there is pretty good.
>>739147501>Red YearNot Morrowind, non-canon.
>>739146132It's the Kvatch Arena.It will probably be replaced with a closed version in the future though
>>739148341Never. It's over.The only thing they got done for the expansion, the Karthwasten redo, will ship with Poison Song.
THIS ONE NEED SOMETHING?
>>739147131Imperials are American. The empire is technically a good idea but it’s been corrupted by a parasitic outside force.
>>739149338What? Did something happen to SHotN?
>>739146706Possibly my favorite copypasta to ever come out of this hellsite
starting a new playthrough and I never thought about it, but shouldn't the Lady sign buffs have flipped names, thematically? grace feels like it should be the personality one for sure
>>739149457why would dagoth even want a khajiit among his ranks
>>739152331what is this
>>739151357I think "grace" here is used more like charity, like in "god's grace/divine grace" than gracefulness/charm. As if the constellation itself is blessing you with its charity and benevolence so you may survive all hardships. The lady's favor would be, I guess, courtly love which makes you more beloved by others.
>>739154414Hammerfell. Home...Least it was before I fucked everything up
>>739152331for a moment i wasn't sure if i was looking at morrowind or kenshi
>>739141038Fuck are these?
>>739156162Nigg- I mean Nagas
>>739145841The Elder Scrolls are real objects that Bethesda found in the basement of their offices and they've been using them as a basis for the game, changing aspects of the stories contained within them to make them better suited to being video games. Nothing is real.https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Elder_Scrolls#Notes
You did return his shoes, right?
>>739154093He thought it would be funny
>>739154093i don't think he picks and chooses who the corprus afflicts, and it isn't his fault the dumb cat people thought the hot (diseased) ash felt like warm sand
>>739156365I kill every wood elf I see on sight
>>739156502>Nordposting on /v/ when you should be raping other nord men after a drunken fist fight.
>>739156597Only Bretons practice pederasty, owing to their outcast elven heritage.
they're doing this to me at work tomorrow
I didn't know Tamriel Rebuilt was doing Oblivion too.
>>739158653What do you mean? This is just Morrowind. That's down the road from Gnisis, my cousin Dravil lives that way. Beautiful area.
>>739158075Hang in there anon
>>739158653Isn't the Doors of Oblivion mod good enough?
>>739140063I kept it as a clicker toy that netted me a couple levels of restoration
>>739147624>>739147937>even doe they canonically hate men and the empire to only a slightly lesser extent than the elves>the 4 races of Men are the only ones who are really thriving and happy with the Empire on a national levelProvinces of Tamriel:>The Khajiit of the southern Elsweyr jungles and river basins are settled city dwellers with ancient mercantile traditions and a stable agrarian aristocracy based on sugarcane and saltrice plantations>the settled south has been quick to adopt Imperial ways
>>739156395Redpill me on this Gnigga
>>739140063why is he so high?
>>739147624>>739162210From my understanding on the various Beast races' current status in TR/PT lore:>Argonians are seeing Black Marsh chopped up into tiny bits. The "Kingdom of Argonia" the Empire set up to be a puppet government is basically entirely ignored at this point and various companies are offered the habitable outer areas of Black Marsh to exploit as they see fit. The Argonians that live far into the exterior are ignorant of the Empire or are starting to fall interested in revolutionary ideas to kick the Empire up, so unrest is building. Archon, the only real non-tribal Argonians, are merchant lords and want the Empire to both leave them be and give them profit, though they aren't really liked by the more tribal Argonians. Aside from a few tribes the various corporations and Empire had deals with, relations are tense at this point. For the average Argonian outside of Black Marsh, things seem fine enough. It's always difficult to tell what Argonians think.>Khajiit are much more human in their thoughts than Argonians, and for them business is good with the Empire. Though Khajiit corporations aren't run the way normal men would run them. There's probably disdain over losing territory to the Cyrodils but overall Khajiit rolls with the punches and aren't interested in rocking the boat right now.>Imga currently see Imperial society as that to emulate and they do, incorporating the elements they find worthwhile into themselves.>Minotaurs are tribals that are largely respected and left to their own devices. They may not be citizens in the traditional sense but they're doing well under the Empire.>Sload are still "Exterminate on sight" officially, but are able to find success in the Eastern provinces where the arm of the Empire can't reach as effectively. The Sload probably have diplomats to try and get a stronger hold on the rest of the Empire. I could see them being just a few corrupt bureaucrats away from acceptance.>Who gives a shit about Centaurs man
>learn fly>game becomes ezmodo >people talk shit about how gaenor is so strong>just hand to hand that bitch, slapping him unconscious then beating him to death while he cant breefmore like gaymor lol gottem lmao
>>739157952
>>739163064
For me, it'sHigh Rock Release > Cyrod Update > Hammerfell Release > Skyrim UpdateIn terms of what I'm most excited for
>>739143553To be fair, why would you? They offer zero advantages over an enchanted item other than maybe weight, and the asspain factor of making enough scrolls to replace a reusable enchanted item would probably be worse overall.
Being a Wood Elf in Vvardenfell has to fucking suck. Dude suffers enough just being alive even if it's a 'chill' town like Seyda Neen. I do him a solid even if it's a cruel run, no reason to torment a dude with one useful thing in his entire life.
>>739140063Only after I found a more powerful enchanted healing item.
>>739163524Just kidding, I'd played the intro to the game several times (because I'm an idiot who can't into good builds). I knew about the ring quest so my in universe character simply didn't have time to talk to fargoth and didn't know his ring had been stolen. When he happened by Seyda Neen again (after using it as an early game crutch) he was joyous to return a lost item to such a fine individual as Fargoth.Anyone else have this kind of autism where you won't break character even in a single player RPG so you perform intense mental gymnastics to justifly gameplay mechanics?There are certain game breaking items that I know exactly where they are, but I won't go get them because my in game character would have no reason to know it, unless I can justify it to myself as he noticed it on the way to somewhere else he needed to go.
>>739162828You've never fought him let alone beaten him or you'd know you can't levitate in mournful.Cute but dumb.
SHOTN update when?
>>739164002>retarded fag cannot tell it was 2 different thingsgottem lmao
>>739164131Communicate in English if you would like people to understand your messages, otherwise people will just assume, which I am sure you're familiar with, that you aren't too bright.
>>739164303>he read flying ties in with fighting gaenorseems like you are downie swine here, dumbass>uses capitalization and punctuationi remember being a petty faggot when i was in my late teens as well
>>739158653Come to think of it, I never did finish Oblivion.
>>739163459Anvil made me HATE Bosmer more than I already did. Dumb CUNTS just randomly ambush you with bows from 50 yards away around Archad.
What a god-awful game. No wonder people only play the overhaul mod just to try and squeeze some fun out of it.
>>739142532I want northern skyrim so bad. I need my comfy snow areas
>there's finally a poison mod for openmwOne step closer to fully migrating.
Bosmer are JOKES and when I see them carrying a tray of food I slam their face down in it
>>739165396you don't actually do this
Trannywind
>>739165454I'm gonna kick your wood elf ass dweeb
>>739164539Elder Scrolls games are GARBAGE vanilla. Morrowind included. They are modding platforms and always have been.
Bully bosmer
>>739159027lol
A, B, or C?
>>739169535they're all pretty cool, I like parts of all of them and I can see why the individual parts I like wouldn't work well as a complete set of all of those parts too it'd be too busyshit, this is a rare case where I win no matter which set is decided on
Have any of you played the LGNPC? I’m doing a Redoran play through and I like the extra detail they gave.
>>739172409LGNPC and Rebirth are my must haves if I'm doing Vvardenfell
>>739169535C
That's some nice strength you got there. Would be a shame if someone damaged it.
>>739142532I need more.
>>739173220more what
>>739140063did you mod your OpenMW today?
>find a random sunken boat with a theives' ledger near the fields of kummu>ledger has cryptic double speak about lucky dice lost somewhere between dagon fel and Khuul>proceeded to spend 3 hours swimming half way around Vardenfell with still no fucking clue where it isBy the nines I'm tweaking.
>>739175448https://modding-openmw.com/lists/morrowind-starter-pack/https://modding-openmw.com/mods/suns-dusk-needs-and-survival-openmw/yes I did
>>739172409My issue with LGNPC is that it's old as fuck and at this point incompatible with majority of quest mods.
>>739175448>I have whole bunch of cool screenshots to share, but I'm at work and by the time I get home, this thread will dieFuck. And I spent a week modding the game just to show off.
>>739140063I always do, playing a villain never feels rewarding to me, the last time I made a dickass thief I got bored ten hours in.Playing an immoral and irresponsible wizard on the other hand is great fun. Helping people one moment but suddenly siding with the ancient lich I just found because think of the spells my new friend could teach me!
>>739172409Yes, but be careful at the end, it changes out the grandmaster's weapon for a similar blade, and it counts as you being dishonorable because the game checks if you "stole" it, which will always be the case with LGNPCs because the devs did it themselves. I fixed it by bringing a Deadric Dai Katana to the fight and planting it on his body. It's stupid, but it works.Also, LGNPCs sucks with Tamriel Rebuilt, because suddenly all the new towns and villages have generic NPCs while bumfuck nowhere on Vvardenfell has unique people everywhere.
>>739156328>reading elder scrolls turns you blind from continued useno wonder their writing is dwindling...
I just keep rolling a Redoran-aligned Dunmer paladin every time. Mostly because I want to bang Arvesa.
Given the choice, would (You) live in the Elder Scrolls universe?
>>739177987That's a sly reference to masturbation turning you blind.
>>739140063>Give the ring back>Talk to the Nord in Arille's to set up Fargoth>Take the tax man's money (fuck him he's dead)>Trigger Tarhiel and take his things>Confront Gilnith, zap him, take his hut>Talk to Ahh Yes for the reward, keep the taxes.>Grab the frost axe out of the stump on your way up the lighthouse>Talk to the tax man's ex for potions>Creep on Fargoth, take his stash, never talk to the Nord again, ripping off both of them>Hit the smugglers with the zap rap sword, don't forget the back route with free pauldrons and a ring.>Sell all the crap you don't want >Crash at Gilnith'sThat's how you Seda Neen. Grab the Mentor's Ring if you don't mind the hike. Watch out for these guys though.>>739172971They are unkind.
>>739162710>the monkey men ape whoever is in charge at the timesuddenly I have the urge to make an Imga Hlaalu character
>>739179398um ackshually big bad bonewalkers don't spawn if you're only lvl 1, you'll only face shitter skeletons and/or maybe an ancestral ghost
Bosmer supremacy
>>739142917>That's right n'wah go back to Ebonheart!
>>739179398You forgot looting the imperial warehouse.
Which race gives the best head?
>>739175448No, but I am modding via MWSE.
>>739180971>MWSE
They've got big 70s-80s sci fi vibes to them. Also thicc
>>739181619openMW doesn't have all of the things I love ported yet.Sorry, anon, tell openmw team to hurry up.
>>739181882Not crazy about the skull drones, too 40k for my liking. Otherwise fantastic
>>739181882>We want the Tron audience
Why didn't Sotha Sil share his technological marvels with Tamriel, or at least Morrowind? He's simultaneously the biggest loss of the tribunal, and the most nothing because he just fucking holed himself up in a hole in the swamp because ???
>>739140063>doing the morally correct thing provides an objectively better result for the player
>>739183000>Doing the morally correct thing always leads to suffering and a monkey paw situationSick of this shit in every single game
>>739183000Not really. You can loot Fargoth's hiding place, then just not turn in the quest. That way you keep all the money, get the ring back, and screw over both Fargoth and Hrisskar. So being a prick nets you the highest reward in this case.
>>739140063Can you make a female MC in Morrowind and sleep with a bunch of random men?
>>739182901He does share with Morrowind, but you won't find many examples where everyone can see it. Can't trust just any s'wit with that kind of power
>>739181882Nobody knows how to stylize things the same way a 90's artist would anymore, that's literally just a grineer
no i sold it to the shop. its not his ring anymore
>>739152331that's tatooine
>>739184313The guy who runs the shop is canonically his buddy so he'd probably get it back quite easily
>>739140804
>>739142532>some padomaic islands finishedwtf? Am I missing a TR mod? How have I not heard about this?
>>739164740I wonder how Winterhold will look like. It was once Skyrim's capital, and it has a magic college.Before TESV warped them into meatheads, Nords called magic the "Clever Craft", which Shor used to create Sovngarde itself. Unlike other mortals, the Nords didn't give a shit about Magnus, whose Nordic aspect, Magnar, was killed and beheaded by Kyne.
>>739140623Pretty sure he's named that on purpose, anon.Like the crass queer Crassius Curio
>>739187212Concept art has it be one huge castle big enough to house an entire city within it
>>739187498Nice.
>>739142532>Kvatch, Rihad and Stros M'kaiI NEED IT
>>739187186It's a good one, but it's not out yet.
>>739162710are there centaurs in PT/TR or is it just lore atm?
>>739142853Snowline's a crater. Funny.
>>739140804I see this guy in every thread but where is he in TR?
>>739179398>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no mentors ring
>>739169535top half of C + bottom half of A
>>739177326try using a wide range detect enchantment
>>739188249https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:K%27Vatra
>>739177558Morrowind threads usually stay up for quite a whileHang in there, anon
>>739162210>>739162710Senchal in particular and everywhere that would eventually become Pelletine, has had good trading relations with the Cyrodiils since the first empire. Anequinna specifically built Riverhold to emulate the Second Empire and to get in on the river trade on Lake Rumare and up into Skyrim. The Khajiit have had pretty decent relations with the humans for most of history, the only real issues they've had are mainly from the Imperial side. Notably, the way Khajiit see property and theft causing friction with Imperial society, and a certain strand of racism among some Cyrodiils that look down at them as 'cats'. So the only real issue the Khajiit have with the Empire currently might be the territory confiscation or the Numidum nuke going off in Rimmen (but that's Rim Men territory, not Khajiit, so the upset at that would be limited for Khajiit.) >>739162710>>739188198Centaurs are just lore as of now (they're mostly in Valenwood and High Rock so not a priority) and they're not sure how to weird them up (frequent issue with HR, they want to make it weird instead of just letting it be normal fantasy.) There's also Harpies and Satyrs (also just lore so far) and Lamia (they have them as models already, but only as enemies iirc.)
>>739142532Have you guys seen the concepts they have for KINMUNE?
>>739149816They're doing questing for Markarth Side right now. That can be quick or it can take forever, it depends.
>>739140804>no bubbles Dropped.
>>739189435So are the strings bits of KINMUNE's processors or what
>>739190012The String Witch is how the Nords perceive KINMUNE because they obviously don't know what wires and computers are yet, and the String Witches are a coven of witches based around her. The strings and beads on the doll are iirc just mundane strings, the witches are simply emulating her and KINMUNE humors it even though she doesn't need their strings or even real wires to make their little doll dance and speak.
>>739190414So she's just an omnipresence around Skyrim?
>>739140063Of course (not)
>>739175448Yeah.Mine looks slightly gloomier, but I think it's good enough. I might have overdid the volumeric fog a bit.
>>739190503Limited. The Nords eventually sealed her up inside of Saarthal out of paranoia over her power and control (ironically making the Falmer's freaking out at them and triggering their own genocide and the Nords' animosity over elves completely pointless) so for most of history she's only had limited means of reaching out or spreading influence, these witches being one of them. There's very preliminary plans for you to be able to open up her mainframe and fiddle with her console eventually, though I'm not sure anyone has any conception of the actual reward and what her real goals would be for the Nords if she was free.
>>739190610That's a big Lie-Rock.
>>739190776You could go Shivering Isles style and have it give you a buff/powers when you're in Skyrim.
>>739190949Very possible, though since Saarthal is likely to be THE hardest dungeon in Skyrim (with only Labyrinthian being competition, unless they're planning to do something weird with Snow Throat or the underworld) how useful a buff limited to Skyrim would be is a bit questionable.
>>739189737Sload don't have an anus.
>>739189435I like the worldbuilding a lot. But Kirkbride shit like this absolutely ruins it for me.
I like that Sneaking OpenMW mod. It actually makes stealth viable, because at least now you have the situation awareness of who detects you and how long you have until you get spotted. Great for a thief playthrough.
>>739192128What's wrong with it?
>>739192216I don't like it when TES has scifi. It should be low fantasy.
>>739192216It's just too much sci-fi and meta for me. It kinda ruins the suspension of disbelief. I understand why a big part of the fandom likes it, but it's not for me.
>>739192216It's not a Game of Thrones piss and shit fest.
>>739192373Did you freak out when you first went to Sotha Sil?
>>739192373Play any old RPG series like Ultima, this shit was standard during the pulp era.>>739192483>A computer is too far for his suspension of disbelief on buddhist-cthulhu dream land magic planet
>>739192953TR also put out a ton of concept art for Sotha Sil robots lately like >>739181882 so anyone who seriously thought Morrowind-era TES was low-tech fantasy is in for an absolute shock.
>>739193394Technology should be stagnant, no sapient being will ever attempt to analyze the world around them to try and improve their living situation, ESPEIALLY in an era when there's a surplus of resources and labor.
>>739193394Again.>on buddhist-cthulhu dream land magic planetYou do realize why they keep this on the down low, do you? Why it's never explicitly stated, why the only times it's referenced in game, is if it can be interpreted in a non-literary way.
>>739193712You just made me think, if you unseal KINMUNE and she's grown fond and friendly to the Nords from the thousands of years she's been interacting with them she could legitimately bootstrap them ahead technologically in relation to other factions, even the Bretons and Redguards who are starting to industrialize.
>>739193856The question is whether or not she's intelligent enough to do that. KINMUNE's the gestalt of a bunch of mining rig operators, it'd be like saying an airline pilot could show you how to build an airplane.
>>739193760And KINMUNE is on the downlow, all anyone knows about her is she's some legendary witch from ancient history who uses strings as a conduit, can tell prophecy, and gives good advice, and that this one Coven claims they're in contact with her and she can speak through their dolls. Going in and interacting with her is the equivalent of going through Red Mountain and interacting with the Heart of Lorkhan in how distant it is from daily mundane life, but you get to do it anyway.
>>739193970True, I don't think she'd be able to tell people how she works, but even the imperfect intelligence and understanding of a super-advanced and ancient mining robot is probably enough to really boost an Early Modern pre-industrial society pretty significantly.
>>739193970You gonna integrate this new sotha stuff into SSE?
>>739193993I hope they keep it a bit subtler and a bit more mysterious than that and the witches either don't know or don't say outright that it's Kinmune that they're communing with just that it's something/someone very powerful and let the player slowly unravel the whole KINMUNE aspect. Lorewise KINMUNE has been under Saarthal for millennia and would either be bascially unknown or be passed down in tales as an ancient enemy that Ysgramor defeated.
>>739192216I just don't like when deep lore shit is too visible out in the open.If it were an obscure with coven that worships a doll with strings, and if you do a bunch of stuff you discover it can talk and says cryptic things, and you can investigate its surroundings afterwards and find scratches on the wall that say "KINMUNE" in some other language and research the word to connect the dots, that's based.If you have them be a popular coven everyone knows that parades dolls around and everyone knows KINMUNE gives the best prophecies, that's stupid. It's like having some peasants in a tavern discussing CHIM.TR is generally good with this. There are weird lore references and strange things but they're kept out of the way and hidden. Like the secret puzzle referencing the tones of Padomay, our friend in the Narsis sewers, the stuff hidden in Necrom, Uncle Sheo's private island. Even the sload that gets posted every thread is far out of the way and his nature is supposed to be a secret which is only revealed by finding him. If a simple sload is that well hidden I don't think NordGPT should be that out in the open, let alone "popular".tl;dr just make it obscure so it doesn't go against thishttps://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/about/about-our-lore#cosmic
>>739194853The witches are gonna call her Kinmune because in a Nord context Kinmune is understood to be a legendary witch from Saartal whose prophecy helped Ysgramor and then disappeared (the real story is that Ysgramor freaked out at one of his buddies getting brain damage from using her and sealed her away in revenge.) They don't know Kinmune is a computer. They don't need to hide her name just because players are aware of the KINMUNE story, any more than PT needs to hide the existence of the Hist because we the players know they're freaky alien pre-Dawn tree spirits. Or TR trying to rewrite the main quest to hide it's Lorkhan's Heart they're fucking with. We know the implication, the in-setting people do not, and that's fine, you can't hide revelations from people in the know already.
>>739195005You're going to get upset when they get to Tear and there's a giant Sload airport right next to the city, as was canon in Morrowind concept art, that literally everyone knows about. The coven and her name don't need to be secret or hidden from us, the players, only the true nature of what they're doing should be obscure to people in-setting.
The low fantasy peasant fears the manareactor chad
>>739195361I didn't mean that to say sloads are a secret, it's more like the fact that the big criminal kingpin who moved in turns out to be a sload, and the new drug he's pushing is something unexpectedly sload-like, and that is the secret, and it's more interesting because they kept it a secret. Communication terminals for an space mining AI construct from the distant future just seem too "cosmic TES" to have wandering around in random places known by everybody. It's less about whether that's plausible and more that it feels tacky to me. Like it's probably known or assumed that imperial officials have special teleportation infrastructure, can go to places like the Battlespire etc. but you won't find the teleporter in Old Ebonheart unless you really look for it. They're not in roadside stands waiting for high officials to roll up in a carraige. "popular coven regularly traveling the roads" just feels like a bit much for this cosmic type stuff.
>>739195205Eh it's cooler if esoteric crazy shit is kept below the surface sometimes. Cheapens it a bit if you just meet a bunch of people going "hey we're worshipping KINMUNE" while you're strolling around. Plus plenty of players don't actually know much about the more obscure parts of the lore and even those that know of KINMUNE might not make the connection immediatley if it's more hidden.
>>739196364The connection of who she is is hidden is the thing, it's just "wow cool ancient witch, cool witch coven" among a dozen other witch covens they want you to interact with if you don't know the name already. Like Skyrim players finding the Eye of Magnus and not doing a double take because they don't know about her either.>>739196186>Communication terminalsThey're legit just dolls, it's the Kinmune equivalent of the Companions going around claiming the inheritance of Ysgramor. Some witches put on a puppet show and peasants line up hoping for a prophecy, 90% of the time they get nothing, 10% of the time the doll speaks at them like a Mechanical Gypsy, and anyone with an education says the witches are scamming you and operating the puppet with strings in the back or telekinesis. The fact she actually is spreading influence by occasionally spitting out a real prophecy is the secret.
>>739196038Fantasy becoming mainstream was such a mistake, back in the 90's having scifi in your fantasy was normal and expected, but ever since normalfags got really into LoTR suddenly it's a cardinal sin when it happens.
>>739196038it's so funny when the poorly versed realize that Morrowind takes "inspiration" from Star Wars the same way Oblivion takes "inspiration" from LoTR. difference is Morrowind does it gud
>>739196186>>739196364Once again I think the issue is that you're having a disconnect between what you know about Kinmune (she's a mining robot from the future) with what people in-setting know about Kinmune (she's a legendary witch.) To the average person in Skyrim, when someone mentions Kinmune it's not like they're bringing up high-concept shit and super advanced magic or technology, because nobody knows that about her. To them, it's like mentioning one of the 500 Companions. An ancient, probably dead, person who had legendary powers or feats. Like Nerevar.
>>739197475Also most of the time the actual "sci-fi" shit at least looks like it belongs in universe. It'll resemble something like the Narsis reactor or Sotha Sil's shit.
>>739197608Yeah it's likely it has a very magitech kind of feeling to it, I bet the inside of the Adamanitum Tower (also a spaceship,) and the Imperial's mothship port will also give off a similar vibe.
>>739197914You can get an example of Imperial tech already. It's not like they've straight up got 1990s PCs sitting about.
>>739198469The mothships probably get a bit weirder in how they're controlled vs. the airships, or at least I'd think so.
>>739140063I took his ring and his life
Having a legit crisis considering restarting my playthrough 80 hours deep just so I can save Tarhiel.
>>739199554If your character is agonizing that much over the life he wasn't able to save, maybe it's time to become a necromancer
>>739199554You might as well, because in the next update they're going to delete everything dealing with Tarhiel in OE. So if you want to experience it you should do so now.
>>739199554what's the deal with Tarhiel?
>>739199624As in the content, or just references to him?
>>739159323It had good intentions but it sucks. Fanfic tier and nonsensical. It also sucks that the Jaws of Oblivion is not really progressing much.
>>739199624>they're going to delete everything dealing with Tarhiel in OE.But why?This is why I'm always skeptical of reworks, modding projects always seem to get bogged down in perfectionism over stuff everyone already liked, and it inevitably leads to destroying their own workIt's not even like the eye of argonia quest, I can't remember a single time anyone said Tarhiel coming up in OE was bad
>>739199825I have it installed but havent played it yet. I figured the writing would be awful but are the set pieces at least nice to look at? I can try to ignore the dialogue as long as I get the feel of exploring the outer realms.
>>739199949No, not really. The colored rooms are too normal looking. Deadlands is just Oblivion and the dungeon there was mostly a good time, but pretty off since it used the gigantic Oblivion tilesets. The sanguine realm may the most accurate, and I dropped the mod by then.
>>739199709Bosmer with an inferiority complex that desperately wanted to prove himself to the Telvanni, only to get himself killed with an OP scroll of his own making.
>>739200581is he an actual character if you save him? are there quests worth finishing?
>>739198469>You can get an example of Imperial tech alreadyBased on Battlespire level assets, no less. I thought that was a very nice touch >>739196038
>>739200667There is in TR, but the mod makers are going to remove it in the Poison Song update because it felt too "fan service-y" to them.
>>739200667>>739200827https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/53006He has another quest in AFFresh.Cool rewards, too.
>We're gods because... WE JUST ARE, OKAY?!
>>739200684noooooo but elder scrolls is supposed to be a grounded mundane medieval setting like in based oblivion and my friends on /v/ told me that preserving the purity of the fantasy genre from anything not inspired by the middle ages is integral for the survival of the white race
>>739200827I found the UESP page. This quest is great, why would they remove it?>>739200963I've been playing and modding the OMW ultra expanded vanilla pack and absolutely adore these early game quests. Makes the new character cycle so much more enjoyable.
>>739201001They proved on numerous occasions didn't they?
>>739201121>This quest is great, why would they remove it?To be fair, it's doesn't make sense for Tarhiel to be Old Ebonheart's court wizard with the information we have about him in the vanilla game.
>>739199756Both.>>739199936'Too moddy', like almost all of OE's current content they want to remove most of it or replace it with remakes.
>>739140386The first village has kinda off gear. I'd rather use any early gold I get for spells or stuff. That being said the main armour I stick with for most of my playthrough is almost always the stuff I loot from the assassin so buying stuff doesn't seem a priority
>>739201263I would hope they would just change it then and not remove it out right. It's cool to see random acts of spontaneous whimsy rewarded in these kinda games. NOBODY I know has EVER tried to save Tarhiel.
>>739201108Just tell them scifi as a genre is the white man's vision of a perfect future and drive to improve or whatever, maybe that'll stop them from jerking off over Agartha or whatever.
What's the most efficient way to play around with a spellblade type character? I really like the magic in Elder Scrolls but often destruction is a huge let down so I try and use a sword but because I've gone full mage I hit like a baby. I know conjured gear is supposed to be really good but how would you go a happy Medium stat wise without dumping wisdom or endurance?
>>739201285>almost all of OE's current content they want to remove most of it or replace it with remakes.Tell me you're exaggerating
>>739189393>make it weird instead of just letting it be normal fantasyI understand that it can go too far in the other direction but if anything I never liked the idea that High Rock is supposed to just be generic lotr style fantasy. It doesn't fit with the rest of the setting and feels like it would only be that way because the creators went out of their way to make it arbitrarily mundane.
>>739147283Bosmer are such fucking faggots lol XD I can't wait until Elder 7 where we get to see how lame they are in their own lands
>>739201614Don't ask about the horse.
>>739201538idunno i use natural growth fuck vanilla leveling
>>739145841Any news on Elder Scrolls VI
>>739201614They're redoing some guild questlines and adding an arena/tournament area. Don't know how that counts as "removed"
>>739201538If you're not a fan of the absorb health spam you could always go a Nord mage and use ice magic. That nullifies reflect bs too.
>>739201516I didn't even know you could save him which is why I'm agonizing over going back and trying to. Unfortunately he died as soon as I walked out of Seyda Neen so I'd have to start from scratch.
>>739201538Breton with atronach sign, heavy armor, and enchanting.
Is there really any advantage of picking altmer over a breton if you want to go pure magic?
>>739201951race doesn't matter at all in morrowind, and not playing dunmer just feels weird
>>739201837you could probably just console command him back to life if you really don't wanna give up your save aniki.
>The Middle Dawn was such a nightmarish clusterfuck that ALMSIVI, The Good Daedra and House of Troubles all teamed up to protect Morrowind from its effectsFucking apes man
>>739202214I considered that. How would that work with the TR quests involving him in OE?
>>739202405I'd assume he'd just be there and have the dialogue options. He's still the same character in the files right?
>>739201951Yeah, the advantage is not being a resistance cuck and embracing nuke or be nuked glass cannon
>>739177326OAAB Shipwrecks, yeah?Look for a bunch of bottles under the bay.
>>739202360I have a theory that the gods ganged up on Sheo so they won't go insane themselves. The fact of the matter of their existence is maddening and they realised this.
>>739202360https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZbK--FCu4Marukh did nothing wrong.
>>739203021You mean in the Oblivion-era lore? The whole Jygallag thing? In Morrowind-era lore the implication is that Sheogorath is connected to Lorkhan, that his death created a void in Nirn that lead to the madness manifesting, with Sheogorath being the incarnation of that madness.
>>739203074Return to monkey.
>>739203106hold on, TR doesn't have Jyggy in their 'canon'?
>>739202360there's a lot of disturbing things in TES but 1000 years of non-linear time seems especially dreadful
>>739203220I think he's briefly mentioned as a Sheogorath-related demon in the Peryite Goetia book
>>739203220Jyg exists because he's mentioned in Varieties of Faith, which is a Morrowind-era book. None of his lore in Oblivion existed at the time though, so how PTR implements him, if at all, is completely up in the air. We were told by the devs (of Morrowind) that his name was put in just to introduce the possibility of more Daedric Princes beyond the 16 for future use, without any real lore or identity attached to the name at the time. Jyg as a character was entirely invented by the DLC.
>>739197475Honestly, out of the 500 companions, Kinmune sits in the middle of the heart when it comes to wierd fucks.
>>739203106Sithis-shaoed hole filled with an Entity of order.Then the fucking crystal man shoved Pelinal of all things into it.
>>739203372PTR doesn't seem to mind the concept of pulling from modern lore these days, unlike the original Grognard feel they used to have. Wouldn't be surprised if we got the big mean crystal man with ties to sheo we got in Oblivion, if we get him at all, of course
>>739203645PTR taking actually reasonable positions and being able to understand what works or how to make it work is a good thing, actually.
>>739142532Absolutely need a full-sized version of this.
>>739203645>>739203719They pull from later stuff if they think it's cool and interesting and can be made to work with Morrowind's lore, and in the process tend to modify it heavily anyway.
>>739203719Yep. It's nice seeing nods to modern sfuff like the Dragon Cult while simultaneously seeing old shit like Karthwasten and Nordic Wasabi alongside the occasional Nod to the wierd shit like they're doing with KinmuneIt's the best of all worlds.
>>739203424I agree really, if you look at Kinmune as the Nords understand her, "the String Witch" next to all the contemporary figures in Ysgramor's tales, which are a bunch of atavistic monsters with esoteric magic and Voice powers that aren't even always humanoid, she looks completely normal as "that one witch who was glowly and partially see-through and manipulated strings and told prophecies." She wasn't even the only prophet among the bunch.
Is this right?>RedoranSamurai Archetype>IndorilPaladin ArchetypeI'm struggling to differentiate them.
>>739192373You sound exactly like the ESO freak that forced mundanity upon all that was cool and tore the setting apart.
>>739203991Redoran are warriors who happen to be religious while the Indoril are priests who sometimes are warriors
>>739203752It's a bit outdated because more of Hammerfell has been done since, and they're actually about to open up more exteriors for it too.
>>739203991>>739204062Indoril are more spellblades than Redoran, who tend to be more warrior-focused.I actually wouldn't be surprised if Redoran culture was strongly influenced by the neighboring Nords. Which is kinda funny when the part of Skyrim they're near ia the one that produced Shalidor and have ancient magic traditions when the Redoran are kinda tepid on that.
>>739203220Before Oblivion, Jyggalag was basically a placeholder, barely more than a name.
>>739203991>IndorilRich Priests with well-trained Warriors with a more Japanese Asthetic, whose leaders you could probably fold with your bare hands before being murdered by their guards>RedoranReligious folks who eat dust and dirt and live in bugs they've killed with their bare hands, whose Leaders would fold you like laundry themselves.
>>739204129Did they finally plug the hole around Snowline?
>>739204342That's High Rock, anon.
praise be OpenMW
>>739204129I'm desperate for maps.I love them. I need them.More maps for the map hole please.
>>739204342As for HR no, sadly, they're just talking more about Heldorn and Redguard touch-ups, zero engagement for Bretons.
>>739204560Here, let's start off with a controversial one
>>739204957>Um actually Numidium invading shouldn't have done any damage because look at all the beautiful bandit camps he'd have stomped on
>>739205016>You see, going around in circles around an enemy is how you actually win
>>739204957>Ugh Titan's wake is sooooooo bad it got in the way of empty forests and some farmlands>Let's get rid of this cool and obvious high-level zone and replace it with fucking nothingIsn't the actual argument that it was empty devistation when like half of vvardenfel could be described as that?
>>739205210No, because Vvardenfell's 'devastation' is volcanic badlands. Numidium's devastation is a screaming reality-fucked exclusion zone.
>>739205016>>739205173>Hmm, I am inside a big machine god tower that has no equal on Nirn, how should I attack?>Should I deploy my robot in a way to aid in mundane and costly warfare?>Or should I just walk in a straight fucking line and erase everything in ny path and cause capitulation through fear alone?>I'll take the first, obviously!
>>739205210Yeah but Vvardenfell being mostly ashy wasteland was always a thing in lore while like a tenth of the Summerset Isles being time distorted wasteland was 100% their own original idea
>>739204957Summerset Isles devs really are just the Altmer, wanting their regions to be perfect and not interesting at all.
>>739204957So they wanna remove the Wake now? Then there should be a crater where Alinor used to be, how else would we explain why the Dominion gave up?
holy fucking autistic samefag
>>739205764I would hope not
>>739205764The theory he wants instead is that Tiber just blew up some random backwoods naval forts in irrelevant locations and this scared the Altmer a lot for some reason and had them give up on thousands of years of independence and let humans invade their islands.
>>739149185
>>739205937Wait a minute. Isolationist island, locked itself from the rest of the world, threatened into submission by a massively destructive weapon...
>>739205937yeah that's way fucking lamerhonestly should've stuck with the wake idea. it's a neat little allegory to nukes with the inherent devastation being so overwhelming. plus you can go full Chernobyl with the stuff you find left behind
>>739205937It's full retardation is what it is.It's pitch-fucking-perfect design to have a big ol' scar on Summurset. Gives you a high-level zone with an immediately noticable biome that feels dangerous to be in, gives you full reign to show lingering and blossoming anti-imperial sentiment, and gets in the way of basically nothing (aside from roads, which I could imagine being replaced by teleportation or something)
>>739204957Even putting aside the cool lore stuff, having the Titan's Wake as a Red Mountain like high level area in the middle of the map the player is forced to maneuver around would have been a good idea
>>739204957RESTORE TITANS WAKE I KNOW YOU'RE HERE PTR DEVS
>>739204957Comparison to the old map
>>739206730the silver lining is that we have about 20 years to figure it out
>>739205595They have a problem with dunmerboos too. They want to remove Old Ebonheart and make it Indoril rather than Imperial because having it Imperial makes the dunmer look weak or something. Lame af.
>>739204957>>739206812>A new Island smack dab where Titan's wake used to beThis smells like someone's attempt to squeeze in their little shit spot at the cost of cool lore.
>>739206438In a symbolic sense, it also reflects perfectly on Summerset's status in the Third Era and the wound in the Altmer's pride. The whole myth of ancient, untouched culture, being inviolable and set apart from other people, has been completely violated, and the Titan's Wake was a big fat physical manifestation of the psychological and cultural scar this left, something that can never be erased or healed no matter how hard they try to ignore it.
>>739206812It's not even that big a region and it neatly divides the islands in half making the player have to think about getting around and maybe following the coastline instead just going straight from point A to B like, you know, Vvardenfell where managing travel routes and fast travel is a major gameplay thing because you can't just cross the island on foot
the elves would fix titan's wake in no time, it's unrealistic to have ita giant scar through the zone is stupid mmo shit
>>739206947That's... actually really bad.There's so much shit that currently relies on an Imperial Old Ebonheart.And Khalaan is already a great explaination for the Imperializarion of Ebonheart.
>>739207112It's literally a scar made by a robot that literally erases shit from existence, whose paradoxical nature as a Tower literally breaks time whenever it's turned on.No mortal in the 3rd era could fix that shit. It'd take a power like the ALMSIVI to do it, and only because one of them has CHIM.
>>739207349just because le robot made it doesn't mean it must be that way forevermost things the robot did do not magically stay that way forever
>>739206947>>739207186To be fair Ebonheart being a Dunmer city goes back to the First Era. One of the issues with the Khalaan thing is specifically that it contradicts the fact that it's supposed to be ruled by House Mora according to older lore, and to make way for Khalaan they had to shift Mora into being the lords of some random irrelevant fishing village out east which makes zero sense with any lore surrounding them or Nerevar.
>>739207349>literallyAs opposed to what?
>>739207659Metaliterally
>>739207112>unrealisticthe genre's called fantasy dipshitalso it's a great physical indication of the raw power of the numidium which we as players don't get to glimpse much of. it's far more interesting conceptually than whatever else they're going to do with the region
>>739207112>>739207542One of the Numidium's claims to fame is erasing the guys, the Mirror Logisticians, who knew how to undo the shit it did.
>>739206947this is the kinda shit that makes mainline fans completely brush off ESO. They didn't even make this world, stop trying to rewrite it.
>>739207731The devs wrote Moraelyn ruling Ebonheart in the King Edward series though?
>>739207542If you could point out something that the robot did that was undone by anything that wasn't said robot, I'd believe you.But as it stands, Manninarco is still the Revenant Moon, the Underking has his soul, Daggerfall is less kingdoms now, Orsinium is a part of the Empire, High Rock is imperial, the Dwemer (minus Kagrenac) are gone, and the Halls of the Colossus are fucked.
>>739207912Oh. then my arguement holds no water. Carry on then.
>>739207945>Daggerfall is less kingdoms nowPTR retconned that too, now the Numidium didn't do anything and all the kingdoms in Daggerfall are untouched because someone had a HRE fetish.
>>739207731The only lore Ebonheart had in Morrowind just sorta described it as a generic blank slate Arena city state ruled by some ambiguous kingI don't even think it's ever explicitly stated in Vanilla Morrowind that Castle Ebonheart isn't the same thing as the city of Ebonheatt
>>739206947It's so weird how everybody loves Old Ebonheart, its weird politics and backstory, and its design. Everyone except the devs themselves.
>>739148484they could add 1 or 2 zeros on quite a few things in shops and they would still be too cheap. Recall amulet is less than a scroll of recall iirc
>>739208185The devs hate OE so much they won't even use its assets in other places they belong. Look how bad this Padomaic isles city looks because of their strange hateboner.
>>739208061That's just as bullshit.Though given that the Numidium was not walking in the exact same spot in all timelines, I can see less physical devistation being a thing, but I still want to see a big fuck-ass crater in Iliac bay when it woke up.
>>739208061No, their argument is that the Miracle of Peace, the part where all the kingdoms of the bay get condensed into just four kingdoms, is an Oblivion invention they are not beholden to being faithful to, thus really only the part where all parties vying for the totem got their own Numidium is canon, and only Orsinium used the Numidium for significant territorial expansion because it makes sense for them to do so or something
>>739208280>they belongIn High Rock? Remember that in Morrowind the Imperials are supposed to be cool Roman-Slavs and Roman-Weebs, not ye olde medieval France.
>>739148484you can also easily cast bound weapon if you have conjuration majorjust one OP thing among manyI was thinking of making a mod that makes the differences between weapon/armor materials much smallerit's not realistic that a daedric sword is so much more effective than a steel one
>>739208280What is all this seething based on? I feel like it's just your faggalicious headcanon because one of the devs told you to fuck off or something like that.
>>739208349So it didn't do anything, like I said.
>>739207610The thing is, Mehrunes Dagon blew up Ebonheart at the end of the First Era, and outside of Oblivion he's pretty damn good at destroying things. It'd make more sense to place Velothi ruins near Old Ebonheart.
>>739208280it's probably more because the old ebonheart architecture's geometry is likely the reason it runs like shit
>>739208471New devs literally saw this and got so mad they want to destroy the best city in the game now
>>739208543Why not optimize it then? There's programs that can do this automatically.
>>739208563>literallycan you retards stop using this word? it makes you sound retarded
>>739208608>can you retards stop... sound retarded
>>739208543Only the castle/tower complex. Either way it works on my machine.
>>739208656yes, please stop
>>739208608Literally cry about it faglord
>>739208608Conceptually seething
most devs in TR and PTR dont hold much sway so whenver new troons join on account of reddit publicizing how heckin le awesome TR/PTR are they start doing whatever they feel like and they usually prefer deleting the old stuff good or bad. some old devs like mort hold sway to swing in their own way but most of them autistic about certain things so they dont care about how other regions get treated
>>739208716>>739208754:(seriously though you guys are JUST going to LITERALLY give me a STROKE (figuratively)>conceptuallydo you think this is the opposite of "literally"?
>>739208280You do know Cathnoquey is just a demo/proof of concept, right? This city isn't finalized at all, they're working on Temaris right now as their learning release, and only after that will they do Cathnoquey proper. The only city on Temaris is Eloisa.
>>739208584yeah just ask claude he'll do it ez
>>739208349That's one of the few things in the lore that they absolutely should be the most faithful to, given that Dragonbreaks are a Morrowind invention and the centerpiece of how shit went down at Red mountain.Particularly when the result is literal one-off towns being an entire nation which looks ugly as fuck
>>739208787Metanarratively butthurt
>>739208860thanks, that's a more accurate description of my statebut I do encourage you to stop using "literally", it does make you sound like a retard
>>739208760This shitpost ignores that the older devs control the claim and review process so new devs don't get to propose anything or do whatever they want without someone higher up giving them the go-ahead, and if they contradict what the old dev wanted they get forced to remake it. It's just a complete fiction that any random person can do whatever they want.
>>739208563wasn't Septim like giga CHIMing during what picrel would represent?
>>739205373why not simply teleport
>>739208584>>739208840@grok Can you optimize it for us? Oh and order me some five guys
>>739208852They have some preconception that having all these itty bitty kingdoms will result in 'complex politics' when most of them will have like 3 misc quests max.
>>739208852The Dragon Break still happened. The fact that a Dragon Break happened in the Iliac Bay is Morrowind lore after all. It's the specific idea that the Dragon Break in the Bay caused the place's kingdoms to be condensed into four that they argue is an Oblivion thing and thus optional
>>739209036Aka a Dragon Break happened but literally nothing happened during it.
>>739208852All the petty kingdoms are a huge element of High Rock's identity
>>739209096Pre Warp in the West.
I want to see actual Morrowind lore citations that the robomeme de-kingdomised Daggerfall. Otherwise I will have to assume you faggots are talking out your asses as usual. Many-kingdomed Daggerfall sounds good to me.
>>739208996I don't mean LLMs. I mean actual programs made by people, not vibe-coded liquid shit.
>>739209020>Hmm do love house Politics in Morrowind, where if you pick the wrong house you'll have potentially a worse experience than the other two with no opportunity to change>Now lets have 500 kingdoms where maybe 3 at most will have good quests, but if you join any other kingdom you're locked into the most boring shit imaginable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwlbQIPAIsMe and the boys playing Wonderwall for our local Indoril lords
>>739209072Going by what i remember from some of their docs, several kingdoms and settlements got entirely oblitared and are still irradiated wastelands, some spots got time-displaced like the place you visit at the end of the Mages' Guild questline and y'know everything surrounding the Orcs, necromancers and the Underking still happened
>>739140063yeah but you can steal it again like 2 missions later when he puts it in the tree stump. i always keep it next to my artifact rings display
>>739209216The only place that got nuked was Ykalon, which is an irrelevant backwater kingdom with a small town as its capital and its only claim to fame being a silver mine.
>>739209202I can only picture Daggerfall, Wayrest, Orsinimum, Evermore, Farrun, Shornhelm, and maybe Northpoint having meaningful questlines, like the Colovian Kingdoms basically. Similar amount too. All the little microstates are definitely not getting enough writing to justify their existence as separate powers and not smaller towns in larger realms.
This is the weirdest most autistic complaint I've ever seen in my life, the fuck is it even gonna change other than the NPC castle being named King or Duke Vassal of Sentinel/Wayrest/Daggerfall? Might as well demand them to turn Cyrodiil into LoTR to respect Oblivion's lore
>>739209623Seems to me that certain troons are assblasted at the PT devs because every Morrowind thread is afflicted with this kind of demented pilpul about unreleased content.
>>739209623judging by his replies he's concerned about it making the numidium seem lame
>>739209983The Numidium IS a lame whiny bitch that needs to get over itself.
>Devs hate Imperials so much they're even erasing their presence in HRSad
>>739210097Based Lorkhanite
>>739209623It just seems to me to severely and pointlessly water down the impact and events of Daggerfall itself. Yeah the agent went through all this trouble and the only result was that Mannimarco became a god and the Underking killed himself, two events that actually have ZERO impact on the setting itself in any way. There's an extra moon in the solar system and a guy everyone thought was dead anyway is actually dead. It'd be like having the Nerevarine accomplish nothing and Dagoth Ur just decided to leave on his own.
>>739210097do you think Tiber ever put his Septim in the mouth hole?
>>739209983Mostly on the dot, anon.Though there's also the somewhat mundane concern on my behalf of content lockout being fucked in High Rock, plus concern about utilizing the the strength of morrowind scaling to better express large regions like they do in Cyrod, and instead keeping the daggerfall splitting, which ends up just recreating the miniaturizition issues present in Skyrim and Oblivion by a metric fuckton.
>>739210363No because these were all wiped out and killed before Septim's time.
>>739210097A lame whiny bitch that Sotha Sil feared
>>739210591didn't Tiber use his "totem" to conquer all of Tamriel, or is this post Morrowind making it """uncannon"""
>>739210272>Yeah the agent went through all this trouble and the only result was that Mannimarco became a god and the Underking killed himself, two events that actually have ZERO impact on the setting itself in any wayThis is just flat out untrue
>>739210889It's not. PTR isn't using the whole 'black soul gem' or 'Necromancy is banned' stuff from Oblivion, so Mannimarco being a god doesn't really change much. From what I've read its only had an effect on Sload culture, where necromancers have gained more influence because of it. The Underking killing himself meanwhile is only relevant to himself and his wish to die, he wasn't doing anything anymore and was long assumed dead by everyone else in the setting.
fuck, I wanna install and play TR againI don't wanna play some overpowered Breton again tho...what's some fun gimmick?
>>739211009I saw someone do a summoner run.
>>739210363Tiber wasn't the train guy, Reman was
>>739211009Nord stealth archer.
>>739211002>was long assumed dead by everyone else in the settingBy the Numidium's hands, no less. He got pounded into paste during the siege of Alinor and barely managed to wrest the Mantella out of it.
>>739210778You can be a lame whiny little bitch and still be a problem, look at Gaenor.
>>739211167do you know the sources for Reman's lore? I know nothing about him except for that part in the sick fucking Pelinal animation
>>739211235>non-euclidean geometry in GamebryoHow?! explain!
>>739211258he fucked a hill LMAO
>>739211258Reman is a chad to the degree he makes Tiber Septim look like a virgin
>>739211351No- Reman's dad fucked that hill. Reman fucked everything.
>>739183992is this the necrom thing
>>739211351His dad fucked the hill.
>>739211258Dude cums a whole bunch.There's a vault of it on the moon.
>>739140321Look at his face, anon. He was clearly cracked out on skooma.
>>739211378>>739211406I think one of my biggest disappointments with PC so far is that there's no Dibellan martial arts temple you can join like his mom-wives were apparently from.
>>739211287
>>739211469>Dibellan Martial Arts>Form 1: How to Make a man cum in 5 seconds
>>739211258>the sick fucking Pelinal animationI tried rewatching it a couple days ago and it turns out the guy who made it hates how popular it is compared to his other work and the actual video's presence on youtube keeps yo-yo-ing because of thatI'm probably missing a lot of lore but what a faggot either way
>>739211535>Form 2: How to crush a man's head with your thighs
>>739210797Doesn't really have anything to do with the thing he posted but yeah he used the Numidium to conquer Alinor and destroy all internal dissent
>>739211258The founder of the second Tamrielic Empire. A fierce warrior and a visionary unmatched both before and since, but completely and totally batshit insane, perhaps even more than Pelinal himself. He conquered all of Tamriel except Resdayn, which held him at bay.He's the reason there's colonies in Masser and Secunda, as he negotiated a deal with the Daedric Princes to settle worlds beyond Nirn without their interference. He also tried to industralize Tamriel, but the results were so disturbing that even the Daedra were afraid.
>>739211537Dude saw Starfield, lost his mind, then inflated his ego so much the thought his videos were holding the company up, and deleted the because of that, thinking he would still be immensely popular after pulling an act like that..
>>739211002They just haven't gotten around to writing anything about the Cult of Worms yet. Closest thing I've ever seen was a dev remarking that they should probably make them feel like something of an actual religion with theology and everything instead of just>mwahaha we're evil necromancers praise evil necromancer god!
how complete is tr now, compared to like 4 years ago?
>>739211729More than before, but still some ways to go. We can finally reach the edges of Black Marsh and Cyrodiil through the lands around Narsis.
>>739211520whoa mama
>>739211635>the results were so disturbing that even the Daedra were afraidI need elaboration right fucking now, that sounds sick.>>739211537>just looked it's actually fucking gonewhat the fuck is wrong with people on the internet. what compels a man to be that retarded?
>>739211635No he fucked so much that the daedra were afraid, he industrialized and everyone normal hated it because it was fucked up shit.
>>739211852what's shocking about it?
>>739211904>what compels a man to be that retarded?Artist Ego + Starfield CrashoutCourse, his public reason was that people were misidentifying his "Michael Kirkbride" animations as "Elder Scrolls" animations.
>>739211904He had a cadre of mage-engineers that turned themselves into mechanical abominations, and brutalized Daedra to use them as factory tools. They went to such extremes that Reman was forced to put a stop to them and seal them off, as they pissed off practically every faction in Mundus and beyond.
>>739212176went ahead and downloaded it from the internet archive, here's a catbox if any other anons wanna save it so it doesn't become lost media. >https://files.catbox.moe/46t0uc.mp4
>>739212176>his public reason was that people were misidentifying his "Michael Kirkbride" animations as "Elder Scrolls" animations.That sounds mighty dense.
>>739211652>Dude saw Starfield, lost his mindwildest sentence itt, why couldn't he ignore it like the rest of us and keep shitposting about TES loreTodd's failed No Man's Sky game no one played shouldn't have any impact on any of this
>>739212271AllInAll/Ganki Ro is an autist, a JoJo fan, and a russian. A bad mix for mental health.
>>739211258The main sources are the Remanada and the Shonni-etta (and Kirkbride's interview about it.)
>>739212449Thank you anon, I'm assuming the interview is the Fireside chat? It's the first thing that comes up when I search for "Micheal Kirkbide Reman interview"
>>739212587Yes.https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Remanadahttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:The_Shonni-ettahttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Fireside_Chat_-_Reman_and_the_Shonni-etta
>>739212190Tamriel just wasn't ready for him yet.
>>739212668let the poop reading commence. Thanks again Aniki.
>>739212190First time I'm hearing about this
>>739212336>>739212271I'd be less angry if he actually released his dune video, but he isn't, he's still working on the animations he promised for 2023 or something.
why is there no option to fuck the SHIT out of Almalexia in Tribunal?Obsidian would have done it.
>>739213038She's loyal to Nerevar
>>739209623>the fuck is it even gonna changeVery likely factions. There's no way we're getting kingdom of anvil tier content for dozens of petty kingdoms.
>>739213038She killed you and is paranoid you want to kill her in revenge. She refuses to believe otherwise.>>739213064Literally cucked and then killed him.
>>739211235Is that performant? can I do that in OpenMW? how do I learn Morrowind-fu like you?
>>739213178It's a mesh with an alpha channel and a script, so it's super performant. >>739212881That's because it was lore from a thing I was working on with Todd that never came to fruition. And never will.
So are dreugh under the empire's jurisdiction?How haven't they organised into a major power?
>>739213270The dreugh are little more than savage rape animals now.
>>739213235So you move through it more like a silent teleport in Doom rather than a lineportal in Doom? and it has to be facing the same way? I wish you could link interiors/exteriors with that method.
>>739213270The Dreugh refuse to answer to any authority and the Imperials are content to just kill them when they cause problems for that reason. They were lords during the last kalpa and have too much ego to ever bow down to anyone but Molag Bal, and it takes magic or submarines to interact with them anyway.>>739213317They have farms and shit but they're very degraded from what they were at one point. Still, they're more like Goblin level now, rather than Troll. Goblins can be dealt with diplomatically sometimes though, because they don't have the same ego issue.
>>739206947Reading into the actual rework of Old Ebonheart>Most in-game implementation seems to go off the notion that Old Ebonheart is the Imperial capital of Morrowind. Yet, that is not supported by known Bethesda lore that places the Imperial proconsul in Narsis and the Imperial-appointed King Helseth in Almalexia.>It is unclear whose castle Ebon Tower is – whether King Helseth's (which is what most signs point to) or Duke Vedam Dren's. In either case, it needs to be made clear why the ruler isn't present in the castle.>...This leaves the royal court, throne room, treasure chambers and other royal trappings. Currently, these are implied to be King Helseth's, yet that is not satisfying given Helseth's strong position in Almalexia. I don't know about you, but Helseth's "Palace" in Almalexia doesn't feel that strong. In fact, I'd call it temporary lodgings, if anything.I'd imagine keeping the residence of the Imperial King in his own city makes a lot more sense than him being within breathing distance of the most Warlike of the Tribunal
>>739213353When you move through it it ports you to the actual interior, yeah.
>>739213038Give it time. Dagoth Ur has a romance mod now, someone will make one for Ayem eventually
>>739211235When will I be playing this mod, Wailway Wizard?
>>739213678>Come, Nerevar
>>739213762Not my mod and it's been out for years.https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45229
so when will someone port starfield into openmw?
>>739214360So the answer is TonightDanke, Wizard of Trains.
>>739214360Finish Underspace already you fuck
>>739204957Disgusting.
>>739214510It's feature complete now and only missing voice acting, you can hop in and kill bitches with your friends in multiplayer right now.
>>739214652Those are some nice duds...
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>>739214870Did they decide to keep Marog? I thought they were gonna delete that town.
>>739214870
>>739214870Now that's a nice map.
>>739214914
>>739215012
>restore Morrowind>it turns into a complete shithole and almost all of it is invaded or turned into an even bigger ash-covered wastelandWhat did Azura mean by this? Is this Morrowind at peak physical performance? Was Nerevarine really supposed to just trash Vardenfell's main city by killing that dipshit Vivec, end Almalexia's suffering and then set off Red Mountain to cap it all off?
>>739214870>>739214914>>739215012>>739215068
>>739215497>Taking Skyrim as canonAnyway Kirkbride has said that he personally suggested Red Year happen so he could nuke all his toys (Morrowind) and not have anyone else play with them. Even outside of the fact that anything post-Morrowind isn't canon, I don't think we should respect something done purely for spite like that.
>>739215497Azura doesn't actually care about the Dunmer, and is more upset that the Tribunal dared become gods more popular than her.She's a massive bitch
>>739215604>Azura doesn't actually care about the DunmerIncorrect, Azura's motivation is to see mortals achieve Lorkhan's dream, and she personally selected the Dunmer and Khajiit for this. The Dunmer are doing a better job of it so she's invested. Skyrim just isn't canon.
>>739215669>The Dunmer are doing a better job of it so she's investedReally? The Khajiit are the ones who worship the Moons, plus they have much better relations with the Empire, which is the most Lorkhanic/Shezarrite faction in the setting (despite worshiping Akatosh).
>>739215068>they replaced the smoke spot with a silt strider portCringeeee
>>739215819Lorkhan's goal is for mortals to follow the Walking Ways to Amaranth. What the Khajiit are worshiping and them liking humans is completely irrelevant. The Imperials aren't particularly Lorkhanic/Shezarrite simply because the Third Empire was founded by a Shezzarine and worship the Lorkhan of the next kalpa, because the Empire isn't trying to follow the Walking Ways. They're like the Nords, they worship the substance of Shor but ignore his message. The Dunmer are doing better because they are engaging with the message.
>>739215603To be honest, it looks like Todd the Godd is just crashing the entire series with no survivors with VI to stop anyone from shitting on it further too.
What mods allow me to make the biggest cities possible so I can just sneak around lifting everything not bolted to the ground?
>>739216130Lmao Todd doesn't give single a fuck about the setting's quality
>>739216202TR with Narsis?
>in a Grim Dawn thread>someone typo'd Lokkar as Lorkhanlol'd hard
>>739215669Mostly Boethiah's motivation, once evidence is considered. When the Psijic Endeavour resulted in an Ascended Dunmer, she spat in his face and wanted him dead.I honestly think Azura did it just soley so that she could have a population worship her.
>>739216254Stealing time
>>739216390The Dunmer area collective project of Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura, and all three of these are Lorkhan fangirls. Pre-Tribunal Dunmer religion makes it very clear how the three contribute collectively to their worldview.>the Psijic Endeavour resulted in an Ascended DunmerThe Psijic Endeavor is a specific Walking Way and it is not the one Vivec followed, though he says Nerevar did.>she spat in his face and wanted him deadThe Tribunal murdered Nerevar, the chosen of all three Good Daedra and the favorite of Azura in particular. They betrayed him, desecrated Lorkhan's heart (she's a fangirl, remember) and achieved a godhood unrelated to the Walking Ways. Vivec achieved CHIM secondarily from that. So yeah she's mad at him for good reasons, he did something horrible to the most promising mortal ever and didn't even achieve the right things via doing it. But even Vivec claims he 'sits with Azura' in the end waiting for Nerevar to achieve his destiny and reach Amaranth.
>>739213162I am the poster you replied to.I was getting to be quite drunk when I wrote thisI have since drank water, plenty of it, in factYou are rightNo true Nerevarine should even think of FUCKING Almalexia, not even in a moment of weakness. Not after what she did.although goddamn, what a beautiful ending to the bossfight that would have been, with Sotha Sil watching in disgust because sex is probably very yucky to him, especially in his mancave
>>739162710In PTR lore, the tense situation in Argonia is spiced up quite a bit by religious fervor due to the Empire accidentally blowing up a Hist and the Hist waking up because of the Warp in the West a few years prior, as well as the Empire not doing anything against the Dres after the Arnesian War. Much like in Bethesda canon, it's a situation that will logically lead to the Imperials getting kicked out and an invasion of Morrowind
>>739216734Unlike with Bethesda there's no guarantee the Dunmer will get fucked and fold to the Argonians even if they manage to kick the imperials out. Pretty sure the province's main quest is going to be about deciding if the Argonians modernize or retvrn to tradition since those are the two main unifying factions present in the docs so far.
>>739216390>Psijic EndeavourHELLO, FELLOW CULTIVATORS.
>>739216704The only thing I can say in her defense is that the only person who claims Ayem was a cheater is Vivec in his Lessons, which are allegorical and he's known to be a liar and have a personal grudge against her (he calls her a bitch-whore when he first meets Nerevar.) So you don't have to believe him when he claims she fucked Sotha-Sil. But she did murder you, that's true regardless.
>>739216821Or getting them to unite since the discussion about the differences between the two is accentuated with a "(for now)" in the docAnd the Dunmer could very well get fucked since the latest debate on the nature of the Hist had all the writer niggas agree that the Hist are in fact fearsome gods who do indeed have a will of their own and are capable of telling the lizards what to do and wage wars of sorts, just not by directly hijacking their minds like in Bethesda canon
>>739217147I personally wouldn't want them to unite because I kinda disagree with the religious faction's desire for argonians to stay tribal and subservient to the trees. But it's ultimately up to the far-future quest devs to decide what the future for Argonians will be like and how much choice you get to have in it.>The Dunmer could get fuckedAnd without a Red Year nuke they also might not, the same devs tend to think Red Year is dumb and the Dunmer could literally just mine the meteor out (which is true.) Nerevarine could've properly set Morrowind up to whether Imperial collapse and come out on top, who can say. The mod's not going to explore it either way, that's future stuff and beyond scope.
>>739216651Yet, oddly, you don't hear either Boethiah or Mephala complaining about The rise of the Tribunal, only Azura. Only the Lady of supreme pettiness. The only one whose Teachings seem unrelated to the Endeavour altogether.
>>739156060I was just about to make a >where in Kenshi is thispost.
>>739217385You also don't hear Vivec mention Boethiah or Mephala helping her prepare to be Nerevar's bride when he achieves Amaranth either. Anyway it's very obviously because Nerevar was Azura's favorite and she might've possibly also loved him in a way, them fucking with the heart, as bad as it is, is clearly not the thing that upsets her as much as the Foul Murder is. I don't think you can call her petty for getting mad at them betraying the world's most promising mortal, their friend/lord/lover/husband, and her personal favorite and maybe even love out of the pursuit of power.Also once again the Psijic Endeavor is something specific, it's ascension via hardship. The hero's journey. One of the Walking Ways associated with Nerevar, not the Tribunal.
>>739217291>stay tribal and subservient to the treeswhy wouldn't they do that desu, if i had the option of being a part of a divine hive mind that's independent from all the other cosmic players i'd take it without hesitation, shit i'd be the first one to shoot the egg math lasers at female dragons in epic space battles or whatever the fuck it was that kirkbride pictured the hist doing in the 9th era
>>739217291>Could mine the Meteor outI'd imagine one of the following:>The stone of the Lie Rock still holds its momentum: No matter where it would be taken, when vivec lets go, it continues it's devistating fall and impacts with full force>Lie rock is a celestial body and potentially a great deal more infinite than it appears.
>>739217627The trees are catatonic nine times out of ten so not that much help and some people want to be independent and not the slaves of trees, divine or not.
>>739217627i wish there were more hyper accelerated future TES lore out there
>>739217649Either could be true, if you still want Red Year to happen. If you don't want it to happen, neither could be true.
>>739217607>I don't think you can call her petty for getting mad at them betraying the world's most promising mortal, their friend/lord/lover/husband, and her personal favorite and maybe even love out of the pursuit of power.I can, given that the entirity of Dunmeri culture was set up around betrayal and murder, it was inevitable that the leader of said culture will be betrayed and murdered.I'd personally not get that invested in any given mortal in such a culture.
>>739217649I always delete the thing from existence after killing the Tribunal. If I can craft spells capable of depopulating Balmora in a single blow, surely I can handle a hollowed out rock.
>>739217771>I deliberately created a culture alongside a god of murder and a god of betrayal, and now my favorite champion was betrayed and murdered.>How could this be happening to me?
>>739218102kek need an azura edit
>>739217649>vivec dips out after being outed as a false god>nerevarine chooses to fuck off and not to utilize his position to get the houses to actually do something about the floating WMDIt's just stupid on so many levels.I do like how in Oblivion it shows you can make even larger than normal gates; couldn't ship that shit off to mehrunes dagon or whatever as a joke.
>>739217771>set up around betrayal and murderTo achieve greater purpose, not randomly. What greater purpose did killing Nerevar achieve? They fucked things up and needed Azura to bring Nerevar back to save them anyway.
>>739218907Repetition of the Ritualistic Enantiomorph. Overthrowing the Ruling King and taking his throne. It's a part of the Endeavour, anon.
>>739219020The enatiomorph involves four individuals/things in specific role. A king and a rebel fighting over a lover overseen by a witness. You can't have three rebels at once, only one. The rebel and king also have to be unified as one in a sense, which the tribunal was not with Nerevar. If it was an attempt, it was a failed one.
>>739217649Momentum without mass is largely meaningless. If you mined out the rock and spread it over a large area it becomes basically the same as tossing a bunch of stones into the air and letting them fall to the ground. Hell, you could even mine it out, levitate them very high, and then let them burn up as they fall if you really wanted. Or just toss them into a daedric realm I dunno, it's their problem now.
>>739219164Firstly, no. The Enantiomorph absolutely does not require a lover. Nir was the Observer with Padomay and Anu.In this instance, Alandro Sul, or Perhaps Dagoth, were the Observer.>You can't have ThreeBut three can be one, which is ALMSIVI.
>>739219301>Burn upIn what atmosphere? This is Nirn, not earth.
>>739219357There is air, is there not? Even if space isn't real you don't need more than air friction. And air must be real, otherwise you wouldn't drown.
>>739219398You are assuming that Air has friction here.
>>739219457It must, or you would be able to accelerate infinitely via levitation spells.
>>739219319ALMSIVI became a three-in-one after, not during. Keep your order of operations straight, Vivec never claims the Tribunal achieved Enantiomorph, only the Scarab. On the other hand, he does say the Nerevarine achieved it with Dagoth Ur, with himself as the witness.I'm not sure why you want to defend the Foul Murder when the entire Tribunal felt guilty about it and tried to retcon a universe into being where they didn't do it, and all three coped themselves to death over it anyway. Nobody defends the action in the end, so why is Azura bad for calling that out in the moment rather than needing time to realize it wasn't worth doing it? Vivec gets over his asshurt at Azura eventually too, so you're kinda defending a grudge even he accepts he shouldn't hold eventually
>>739219515Who says acceleration acts the saelme way, here?
>>739219164>A king and a rebel fighting over a lover overseen by a witnessWho is the fourth witness to the Godhead? Is this YOU?
>>739219518>AchievedPerformed. The Enantiomorph isn't power in itself, it is that who is overthrown which matters.And yes, they did: they claimed the roles of the Anticipations.>AfterFun fact, that doesn't actually matter.>DefendingI've never called it anything but murder and betrayal. I'm simply saying that Azura is a bitch who flipped the fuck out at something that's inherent to the culture they created.
>>739219591Why would you assume it wouldn't? It appears to in game and I see no reason to believe otherwise.
Redpill me on Fae
>>739219728Fron what I've seen, max speed caps out even while in the planes of oblivion where air doesn't exist.
>>739219823You can breath in those planes so air must exist.
>>739183307why is this the only interesting quest in the game
>>739219719Vivec is the only one who claims he had an Enantiomorph with a Daedra and according to him he achieved it in his past, not at Red Mountain.>AzuraWas proven correct. The entire Tribunal felt guilt and agreed with her judgement that it was wrong. Azura saved everyone's bacon by ensuring Nerevar would return as the Nerevarine. Vivec reconciles with Azura eventually. You can keep saying 'oh she was just a bitch' but when Vehk himself can't help but agree with what she says, needs her help to stop Dagoth Ur, and in the end goes to her for the final stretch towards Amaranth you have to ask yourself at the last "What was she being a bitch about, if everything she did and said was correct?" You either have to accept that the Tribunal were mistaken in what they did, or start theorizing that Azura was plotting the entire thing to ensure Nerevar would achieve Amaranth, and then you start to ask yourself if the Tribunal were ever truly at odds with her or it they had been in on it.
>>739219890One daedric exist in those planesWhen you're breathing in the deadlands, you're breathing Mehrunes Dagon
>>739219914Because it has Fargoth. He's a treasure.
>>739219960Mehrunes Dagon flavored air, yes. Otherwise you would suffocate.
>>739183307>>739219914>>739219982Fargoth sends his regards
>>739140063>Fargoth you tree climbing freakWish I had downloaded that old video, something called ultimate morrowind secret or something
>>739219948>Was proven correctShe is absolutely not, anon. The Nerevarine wasn't needed to defeat Dagoth, a Hero was, and would've arisen even if Azura did nothing, as is the nature of the Prisoner.She's inherently selfish, only spitting at the Tribunal because they took her role and killed her champion, not because she's wanting to help her people.>Vivec's ClaimAre you seriously calling the Pomegranate Banquet a ritualistic repetion of the Enantiomorph?It doesn't even meet your apparent standards of Lover and Observer.As for the Anticipations, them being replaced by the Tribunal are something that you can directly look at and see the sign of the Enantiomorph. Your source need only be any of the ones that speak of how the Tribinal replaced them in Dunmeri culture, and one for the Enantiomorph itself.
Post Fargoth mod recommendationshttps://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/54364
>>739191889he means bubble bath, retard
>>739220017Nope, just Mehrunes Dagon.The Air Spirit's on Nirn.
>>739220262>The Nerevarine wasn't needed to defeat Dagoth, a Hero was, and would've arisen even if Azura did nothingThis is pure headcanon, anon.>She's selfish... because they killed her favoriteThis is the kind of argument that would call a mother selfish for getting upset at her child getting murdered. It just doesn't make any sense, because you're completely stripping out any emotional element or logic here. You can try to argue it was done for a 'greater good' and thus the ends justify the means, but calling her selfish or bad for being upset at a murder? You're not even bothering to offer up a justification.>Are you seriouslyNo, re-read the Lessons, Vivec claims his was with Mephala with his mother as witness, nothing to do with the banquet.Enantiomorph =/= replacement.
Is [The Prisoner] shackled or unshackled to Fate?
Did Nerevarine really die to Akavirian spears?
>>739221106No, the Nerevarine is just on an extended journey banging snake women.
