The absolute deluge of low-effort, AI-generated slop infesting Steam has been a massive issue to gaming in general and NO ONE is talking about it.This trend needs to stop soon and nothing is being done to address it
99.9% of non ai games are already shit, does it really matter if 99.99% including ai are shit?
>commie can't handle the concept of a free market
>>739144103>Does it matter if I start pumping literal shit into your house and bedroom if the sewer got clogged and overflowed onto the streetYes you fucking retard.
>>739144103>does it really matter if 99.99% including ai are shit?yes. this small textual change means it will take 10x the effort and time to actually find good games on steam.
>>739143834So... what? More regulation? Instead of letting the market decide if it wants low-quality garbage, big-daddy government needs to get involved?
>>739144236Why?
>>739144338too simpleminded a post to warrant a genuine response.
>>739144103valve already does a decent job of hiding the slop. Every game gets a handful of impressions and if they fail to generate any meaningful interactions, they get placed on a shit list, never to return.
>>739144338Yes, Amerifat.
>>739144338It is completely within the legitimate purview of Valve as a publisher to not force their customers to dig through a mountain of scamware shit to find any vidya actually worth playing, and they have no obligation to publish infinite shitware that is never intended to actually be played, only purchased, forgotten about, and hopefully not refunded.
>>739144103ok dipshit, let me explain it slowly so you can understand.Do you realize how rare it is to find an actually competent indie game? You know how we call them "hidden gems"? How much more difficult are they gonna be to find when they're buried under thousands of shit games and become undiscovered? So many good games have died and will die because of this
>>739144338>letting the market decide if it wants low-quality garbage
>>739144461Who decides whats a good game and whats not? Do you want steam to read your mind and advertise the perfect game for you? What even is your solution?
>>739143834Historically you moved to a new console with a new marketplace and new games with some occasional re-releases. Now nothing ever goes away and the slop piles up continuously. What is to be done when half the store is slop? Curators becoming more important I guess.
>>739144392Because it's exponentially more shit you low IQ brown whataboutism faggot
>>73914410310 good games hidden within a pile of 100 games will have better discoverability than if they were in piles of 1000 or 10k games. As some other anon said, Steam does a decent job propping up the better games with their algo, but the problem still exists. Niche games will have a harder time surviving in a market like this.>>739144606Either introduce real content curation or raise the entry fee. The latter would be better, because it would filter undesirables without adding on to the already plentiful censorship controversies.
>>739144690so? is there a cap? are we running out?
>>739144803>small problem evolves into a bigger problem>can't solve bigger problem because small problem will still existRetarded thinking like this is why your 3rd world country is filled with garbage and shit on the floor everywhere
>>739144938>problemhow?
>>739144938You're very bad at explaining things anon.
>>739144790this so much, i almost missed some great games that i would never have seen if they weren't posted about on v
>>739144964>>739144969>street shitters can't comprehend something so basicnot a shock here
>>739145031drop the nazi angle and just talk to him please, your replies are more annoying than his
AI is the future faggot but don't you fucking ever, never ever ever force me to tag my games as AI.
>>739143834Thankfully you can ignore them
>>739145007what would have happened?>>739145031I don't get it
>>739143834Doesn't really matter, there already was an absolute deluge of low quality trash before AI that absolutely ruined the ability to just browse the Steam store. For at least a decade, and it only got worse every day since.So who cares, nothing at all changed.
>>739144103>already hard to find rare hidden gems>"is it bad if this process is ten times worse"Wouldn't it be funny if you got beaten in the streets, haha
>>739145075>>739145140Yea I am aware a subhuman that can't pick up trash and clean their own shithole doesn't understand how fixing a big issue makes things better even if smaller issues still persist thus why you reply to "whatabout" every post because you can't think criticality anymore if you even could before
>>739144236Stores aren’t your home, Anon. I know it’s hard to understand that when you're a slave to consumerism, but the truth is, you choose what you consume.The world of literature has been flooded with pure trash for at least 1,500 years, and guess what, it's still alive.You don't need to control the production of things the way communists and Jews love to do. You just need to give people the tools to make good choices. If you want to help out, you can speak up to try to better guide other consumers (which, by the way, will cause the industry to start calling you an anti-Semite).
Why are luddites so scared of AI? It's literally a superintelligent thinking computer and you think it's mad LOL LMAO! Nvidia is trillion dollars and you think your the better than nvidia,,, retared
Same stance I've always had, I don't expect stores to tell me what to buy, I go there to buy the thing I want. Publishers need to do their own marketing, discoverability is not a good enough reason to enforce subjective curation.Increasing the entry price seems perfectly fair. Make it so only games people genuinely expect to at least make enough to recover a substantial amount of the costs will be worth being published there, that's fair. Nothing of value will be lost. Would even give a boost to other platforms like itch for hobbyist game designers.
>>739143834Are any of the 70 games released in 2006 still available for purchasecan you even sort by release date
>ITT: hos mad they didn't secure their spot in heaven when they had the chance
>>739145272it's not going to be noticeably worse.you weren't manually browsing the steam store because it was already long since impossible to find anything.fuck off. go call a real monet painting ai slop again.
>>739145131I don't have a problem with AI, I have a problem with low-effort AI slop. You know there's a difference, stop being disingenuous
All I'll really say is that the amount of AI-art porn bullshit that appears in the New Releases section is a bit frustrating. It all has that same sheen to it too, that generic style seeping into things.
>>739144103>You have to dig through this one foot tall pile of shit to find a gem, so digging through this twenty foot tall pile should be the same, right?
>>739145737so dramatic
>>739145331>https://steamdb.info/stats/gameratings/2006/?displayOnly=Game&max_release=2006-12-31&min_release=2006-01-01
>>739145313Let's say a store called Mart Mart exists.Are the required to let Shitass Rojer drag his ass across every shelf in the store leaving literal metric tons of shit all over the place.Literally burying any product anyone would ever want to buy behind all the shitPrice themWaste resources inventorying the shitAnd subject their customers to this.Because they have some soup that isn't very good.
>>739144103This. There's already a turn on your plate, why can't I piss on it too?
>>739144338I have to admire how corpos have managed to TOTALLY fucking rape your retard countrymen's brains. Letting fucking retards get away with objectively making shit worse for everyone and being able to do fucking nothing about it but just sit and take it is not freedom, you stupid fucking subhuman shit.
>>739145829what is it with jeets and pissing and shitting everywhere all the time?
>>739145891You are not stupid enough to believe that real people like this shit.
>>739145315There's a few good reasons:>Unlicensed use of content. No artist is willingly going to offer billion dollar companies their entire back catalog of art for free, especially since said back catalog will be used to put them out of a job. There is no upside to artists when it comes to AI, so they will rebel.>Costs and environmental impact. AI data centers consume resources at the scale of over 100,000 individual households, prompting local communities to not allow them to be built nearby. They are currently looking to bypass the vote.>Art, as an idea. Most people consider art being human-made to be the most important part about art. AI systems are guessing machines and aren't really the result of anyone's particular ideas, technique, or tastes. This takes away a lot of the "wow" factor for people as well, since an impressive looking animation (for example) might have had zero people actually doing any animating. Human-made works (which many consider to be inherently more valuable) now need to compete with an endless deluge of derivative market substitutes.>Ai closes the "effort gap", meaning that dangerous content is just a few clicks away; ranging from illegal pornography to political disinformation.And so on and so forth. It's not really a simple conversation. I wish they'd start curing cancer or whatever they said they were going to do with it. I'm not against AI but I don't love it as far as games go.
>>739144452They do that with their search algorithms though. You’ll never see 21900 of the 22000 games released last year unless you type the exact name into the search bar
>>739143834Are there any good "AI Detected" curators?
>>739145989>AI data centers consume resources at the scale of over 100,000 individual householdsthis is an objectively false statement
>>739146084Do you have a more accurate figure? This is from an article I read a while ago I'll admit.
>>739143834I'm glad consoles are safe from this.
>>739146131They are even worse, actually
>>739146131Only kind of. Switch has quite a few hentai sliding block puzzles on the store and other assortments of weird slop.
AI making people seethe is both hilarious and based
>>739146131
>>739146079If people don't disclose it you can't ever know once it gets too good
>>739143834Anon, ask yourself, who even see these games, let alone buys them?Are there people legitimately so unbelievably stupid they can't see an obvious AI or asset flip for what it is? Or is this just scammers trying to scam scammers in an endless ouroborus of indian seethe?
>>739145779intradastingthere are some good titles
>>739145627Nta but I actually can't tell when someone uses 'ai slop' if they are aware of nuance. The rabid anti AI mindless zombies that think any AI in the pipeline = slop actually makes it hard to tell who is actually criticizing AI honestly. So sometimes you do have to say it upfront that's how rabid the average ai hater is.
It's also infecting pirate sites. IGG Games is full of AI slop now.
>>739143834>AAAARG NOT THE FREE MARKET SOMEONE STOP THIS!!!That's not how it works Commie.
>>739146238AIjeets have zero quality control thoughbeit. Coomers on /trash/ will refresh again and again to craft the perfect image of Princess Peach farting but every jeet just makes a piss filter Studio Ghibli image with 6 fingers and fucked up eyes and move on
the music streaming services have started to respond by mass deleting and even sueing AI mass uploaders, so why is steam waiting so long?
>>739146378It's mandatory to never allow undisclosed AI usage. Integrity and Art of the future depends on this.
Ideally, AI would be used as little as possible and practically be invisible.The vast majority of content produced with AI produces a "yuck" response in me because almost all of it is made by people who don't have any skills and don't feel like learning anything either.A lot of pro AI people will insult human works to bring it down to the level of AI but it's just not comparable. I don't think I'd ever be interested in a game where 90% of its assets were generated.
>>739144103>there's already so much trash what does it matter if there's 100x more?Where have I seen this thought process before
>>739143834You're all gonna be happily gobbling down AI slop in a few years time anyway.
>>739146428It costs $100 to get a game on steam. If sloppers aren't making at least their dev cost+$100 per game, then they'll naturally be drained of money and have to stop doing it. Anyone whose game actually makes 1k in revenue gets that deposit refunded as well.If it really becomes a problem that has to be solved, the very simple solution is to bring the deposit up to $1000 instead of $100. Again it's returned once you make the bare minimum of revenue so it's less of a problem for actual humans.
>>739146734>Anyone whose game actually makes 1k in revenue gets that deposit refunded as well.this feels a bit exploitable de gozaimasu
Indie games have done more damage to gaming in the past 5 years than AA and AAA games have done in the last 20.
>>739146809>I am just like the independents developers thatNo
>>739146734I would like the upload fee increased as well.>>739146809No fucking way. Crazy shit ass opinion to have.The only thing indies have done is clog up storefronts with games that algorithms bury anyways.The only time you see these shitty games is when there's a Nextfest or on some kind of queue that Valve uses to determine if a game is slop.
>>739146776In the process of making $1000 in gross revenue you have to pay $300 of that to valve. They're always getting your money one way or the other
>>739146964Most of the games on steam new and trending and popular upcoming are straight up asset flipped garbage.
>>739143834Steam has been a 'facebook for reddit' slop generator for fucking years now.
>>739147105???None of those are asset flips.
>>739147198Still doesn't change the fact it's all garbage
>>739147234Sinisistar MOGS most slop and AAA shit.
>>739147105Those games seem fine to me.I was expecting something more along the lines of a pure asset flip, student project, AI thing, or babbys first game.I think you just have a high minimum requirement for a game's presentation to be considered acceptable.
wahhh blackrock needs to curate my search results or else i'll never be exposed to indie roguelite pixelshit rpgmaker depression quest streamer bait sloppa
How does this matter at all? It's a market by and for idiots, it either means free money for Valve, which does actually trickle down to other users in some form even if it's very little. If it's a lossmaker, it's Valves problem to solve.I never bought asset flip garbage before, does the deluge vibecoded AIgen shit actually change any habits? Obviously not.
Yeah it's annoying but Steam has always been a massive pain in the ass to manually browse through for games. Steam tags have done far more damage than AI garbage.
I havent seen assetflip shit in years
>>739143834Relax, idiot tranny. 2022 already had 12k releases and AI didn't even exist as we know it back then. You are imagining shit.
>>739144103>shitter's clogged>let's add more shit in the clogged shitter, can't possibly make it any worse
This is not a problem
>>739147105I wish thrifty business didn't make me host a queer datenight for an actual niggerfaggot as part of a tutorial for it's gameplay mechanics.
diddy bluds been doing this for decades uncs used to call it 'shovelware' according a retro gamer group im in
21000 games a year even if 99% is poo that's 200 good games a year.Zamn pc gaming is thriving
>>739143834then don't buy it.
>>739147742I kinda miss every movie getting a shitty tie-in mascot platformer.
>>739148073>food analogy
You guys remember Steam Greenlight? There was still a lot of garbage being submitted to that.
>>739147139yea dipshit, and that's a bad thing
>>739148073This only partially makes sense.You don't need somebody's entire "taco portfolio" to be taken as training data without their consent to produce a taco.The key part of the debate is that the artwork of the people they want to be put of a job doesn't belong to AI CEOs, and the artists probably aren't going to allow Sam Altman to become rich of their work while they stack boxes in an Amazon warehouse. Not without a fight, anyways.The people whose livelihoods they want to deconstruct are a necessary component of the system that causes the supposed harm.People would still oppose them if they did this, but they would have a lot less people fighting them tooth-and-nail if they trained only on artwork that is free to use.They're asking for forgiveness rather than permission, and that doesn't always work out.
>>739143834People only ever acknowledge AI shovelware when it's on the nintendo eshop for some reason, despite the waves of slop being exponentially worse on both the PSN and steam.
>>739143834>slopRedditor buzzword.
>>739148625>Entire thread talking about how Steam is full of shit>AIIIIEEEE THE SNOYS>THE SNOYS AND THE GAYBENS ARE KILLING ME WITH LIGHT CRITICISM
>>739145272wow its almost like it was the job of journos and ecelebs to find rare hidden gems and share them with the public or something
>>739148681I'm just pointing out a fact nigga.Look up jewtube for "eslop shop" and you will find hundreds of videos, good luck finding any for shovelware on PS and you will at most find a dozen for steam shovelware.
>>739145891>subhumanI don’t listen to what Atheists have to say.
>>739143834the trend looks pretty constant starting from 15 years before modern AI was even invented, judging by this LLM has had zero impact on game release numbers
>>739148753>AAAAAAH THEY'RE CRITICIZING NINTENDO ON YOUTUBE IN THE VIDEOS I SPECIFICALLY SEARCHED FOR>SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THEM!!!
>want to do indie game dev>dont have a marketing/advertising budget>have to somehow distinguish myself against 20,000+ games released each year that are mostly shovelwareis indie gamedev dead or do you just have to get exceptionally lucky
>>739143834>I was not alive in the 90s to experience sharewareYes, we know OP. You grew up being exposed to a walled garden, thinking that's all there ever was. A literal sheltered child.
>>739148831So you do agree people only care about shovelware when it's on a nintendo platform lmao.Caring about shovelware on other platforms detrimental for their fanboys because they use that shovelware to pad out the wikipedia list of exclusives right?
>>739148894shareware was great, I remember the 90s well
>>739148881As a career it's probably a bad idea to put all your eggs in as a basket but if you just want to actually make good games because you care, it's probably still worth it to do.
>>739148881If you're getting into indie dev for financial success, you've already fucked up.I would only recommend it for people who truly enjoy game development and want a fun hobby for a couple years.
>>739148881now you know why indies are just doing streamerbait friendslop
>>739148881Most indie games that exceed have some quality that makes them exceptional, despite what retards here suggest.Even then the people making them still end up burning themselves out or ruining their health making them.If you aren't delivering something genuinely phenomenal it won't succeed. If you make games, do it for your own sake.
>>739148881Once you reach a certain skill threshold, the vast majority of those games are not competition.Luckily for you, traditional advertising mechanisms are practically dead.The content of your game is the marketing. Doing it as a job makes you a slave to trends and certain genres though.There's no telling how AI will change game development over the course of the next 5 years though.
>>739148925Nostalgia goggles or completely unaware that nothing has changed at all in the slightest. Low effort games being flooded into the market is the norm, not the exception.
>>739148881You have all the free marketing you need, right here on /v/. According to /v/ users, over 102% of posts are made by shills with a 2% margin of error, so you can shill your game here any time.
>>739148881getting into indie dev as a career path is financial suicide. Keep it restricted to a hobby, and have zero expectation of success, financial or otherwise. It's basically like hitting the lottery unless your game is generational like Cave Story
This game launched on the fucking switch marketplace, for money, and is complete and total garbage.Theres trash on every platform.
>>739149173nice artwork desu
>>739148881You need to find combos of stacking niches + good gameplay and passable graphics. There's an asston of games out there, but someone out there is still waiting for something more specific that doesn't exist.
>>739144103Yes you idiot. Instead of only 90% of games being bad it's now 99.9% and it requires significantly more effort to filter them out. Consumers don't win when low quality content floods the storefront.
>>739148340At least it was gatekept by user voting
>>739143834If only there's this system where people can look at the game list and vote for games that are not shit before they are allowed to be release on the store.
>>739143834>a massive issue to gaming in generalI don't buy them and I don't need to browse the Steam Store to find games, I only use the Steam Store to locate games I'm already interested in getting.
how could AI do this?
>>739144236>food analogy
>>739144338>letting the market decide if it wants low-quality garbageever listen to popular music today? or watch movies, or tv shows? the market literally wants the most abysmal dog shit in human history. the average person has, quite literally, no taste at all.
>>739149480lolI was expecting this to be a reply to that shitty comic
>>739143834>NO ONE is talking about thisthat's because you're having a schizophrenic episode. your imagined ai gaming menace isn't real, that's why nobody else sees it
>>739148881If your game has good gameplay the marketing will largely take care of itself after you push it on enough people.That's not the only reason a game may sell, but it on it's own will be enough.
WHINE ABOUT IT MORE PUSSYOH NO PEOPLE USE AI TO PUT OUT IDEAS THEY HAVE WITHOUT HAVING TO BORROW AND BEG FOR MONEY FOR A GAME THAT MIGHT FLOP BOO-HOOOH NO MORE VIDEO GAMES EXIST THAT I HAVE THE OPTION TO FUCKING IGNORE BUT INSTEAD I'M GOING TO CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCHFUCK
>>739148881Just keep this in mind, player fantasy is more important than graphics; and you have to make sure that in order to gain access to that fantasy they have to buy *your* game.
>>739143834>Went on Steam Store the other today to check out Scott Pilgrim and see if Synthetik 2 has unfucked itself>checked them out, returned to playing gameI'm not sure what the problem is unless you're using the store as some sort of social media platform or are extremely bored.
>>739149027>I made weird and original gamesNotice how he doesn't claim to have made a good game.
>people have to make shitty games in order to learn and grow as developers>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE WE CANT LET LOW QUALITY GAMES EXIST WE NEED GATEKEEPERSYeah they're called publishers and yet you get mad at them existing because they're run by rich people.
>>739149428Well yeah. This about when chatGPT came to market and image gen matured to usable levels. Seems like a big jump.
>>739148073>shit analogy
>>739143834Even without AI Steam has always been progressively more and more flooded with indie game devs each year trying to make it rich like the devs for Peak/Lethal Company/Stardew/Balatro with varying amounts of effort put into the games
>>739143834I blame streamers for this.
>>739149702no one was putting sloppa on steam in 2023, it was barely even getting started on f95zone and shit back then
>>739143834high-effort doesnt translate to good game
>>739144103Can you just fuck off from the board completely and just don't ever come back? 100% of your posts are guaranteed to be offtopic and you're a net negative to the board.
>>739147234just fuck off goalpost mover
>>739148881Indie games will only fail if you stealth release.You need to be shameless and proudly shill your game to every community as early as possible.
>>739144103It really doesn't. People are laggards when it comes to discerning taste. It took like 12 years after gamergate for everyone to start waking up to indie games being derivative predatory slop even though they played and enjoyed them the whole time
>>739150783I think predatory is an extreme word.. Especially since the actual "predatory" stuff didn't come along until recently, what with the recent boom of incremental games and gambling mechanics.
>>739144103Turner's law
>>739149692What a normal thing to say> I made good games for yearsShut up you dick
>>739151035>I made a good game that wasn't derivative and it flew completely under the radarNo you're right, claiming your game has any merit whatsoever would be fucking bonkers. Just call it 'original' and 'weird' that's how you praise a good game.
>>739150884It was there since 2014. You had a massive shift in gatekeeping thanks to steam opening the flood gates with double damage from the woke crowd pushing out nerds who wanted to make cool games. Every single popular indie game since then only got there because the cabal allowed it to get popular and most of these people shouldn't even be making games because they don't give a shit about the craft. People laugh at Mixtape but it's the poster child for indie gaming since then. Today we also have zoomer discord troons who fellate shitty ripoffs and millennials in their 40s now who never grew up and have income to burn on the latest sloplike skinner boxes or Nintendo rehash/remake. And yes the 0.01% are great games I agree with you. That's not a promising statistic though
>>739145779Pretty sure not every game in there was added to Steam in 2006.
>>739144236>clogged
>>739151382I don't think it's really possible for "the woke crowd" to push out independent developers, especially during 2014 since the bar was a bit lower. I'd agree if you were taking about specific cabals like award show panels and review outlets, but anyone that wants to make a game can just make one.
>>739148881your biggest hurdle is actually multi-millionaire streamers playing your entire game for 20 hours straight, then saying there isn't enough content to justify 20 entire dollars, while they collect $30,000 on stream for playing your game poorly.
you don't even play games retard
>>739151583name 50 good games that didn't sell well because of this.
>>739149634>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR WE USING AI TO BEAT THE BLOODY CAPITALISM SAAR WE CREATIVE SAAR AI PUTTING OUT IDEAS LIKE WE PUT OUT SHIT IN THE STREET FUCING BENCHOD BLOODY
>>739151382What is stopping me from buying a game if it's good?
>>739143834This isn't because of AI. It's because of easier access to free tools and knowledge. Most of it is still just asset flipped garbage.
>>739151750Knowing about it in the first place.The whole issue with web indexing and media production turning into influence peddling shit.The issue people were mass banned for talking about in 2014.
>>739151870What good games don't I know about?
I see tons of YouTube videos demanding storefronts do something about AI games. It’s even worse than shovelware because the games are made faster with less effort. The eshop runs horribly because it has to load all the AI games flooding it every day.
>>739152028>I see tons of YT videos trying to farm clicks and ad moneyok
>>739151541Pushing out in this context meant visibility both by volume and the prevailing voices of influence. Imagine you are a dev who is trying to make a good game but suddenly there are 1000 other games much shittier than yours on the storefront and to make matters worse these games are shilled to hell and back by every big site and big influencer because at that point people started looking more at how loud the in-group signalling was than the quality of a game. You were effectively blacklisted from making it, which is why most of the guys from the freeware scene and early indie gaming scene (people who actually care about making good games) dropped out entirely or got groomed by the cabal.
>>739151998Have you ever heard of the concept of unknown unknowns.
>>739151861It's an unfortunate case where making "a" game is easier than ever, but making a "good" game is still pretty hard.
>>739152262I have already made like 10 games, but I have released none of them because they are all shit. Some people have no shame.
>>739152463Based
>>739152463Based, you'll get there I'm sure.
>>739143834Gaben is OK with that as long as you pay a fee, $100 is $100, goy
>>739148073Meanwhile in reality.>HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS AMAZING TACO I MADE AREN'T I A GREAT CHEF TELL ME HOW GREAT I AM AND DONATE TO MY PATREON HERE!>This taco is shit and you didn't even make it, fuck off nobody wants this>AHAHAH SEETHING CHEF YOU'LL LITERALLY ALL BE REPLACED *throws 10,000 more garbage machine generated tacos everywhere*
>>739143834How about YOU do something about it then, you lazy crybaby.
>>739152463experience is experienceplease dont do shit pixel art because "its indie" when shit was only used in 1992 for hardware limitations . because it looks like shit
>>739144236>in your housewhy are you buying literal shit anon?
>>739144338>regulate the marketwhen has this ever not ended up in a shitshow that makes everything worse
how do i make a game using AI for free (im not paying to use AI)
>>739153158Yes, I will make my own website/community that curates good games and actively shits on anything that uses AI.
>>739153221there was a time when 99.9% of indies were flash games on a browserbut you retards decided it was worth paying money for them
Greenlight was poison that was exploited to fuck and back, and they decided to just line their pockets and remove the bare minimum barrier to entry, so now you can just pay money to get your shit on there .
>>739153175It's all 3D modelling because it's easier than pixel art.
I'm making a game right now, and I don't care about how bad the market is.If i sell 1000 copies, my goal has been achieved.If I sell 10k copies, I consider it a success.If I sell 100k copies, I will convert myself to a full time indie game developer.
>>739146131Here's your Nintendo eshop bro. This is all from the same developer uploading the same "game" every week. They just swap out the AI generated pngs. Interestingly they have a few on steam too but Valve must have put their foot down. I wonder how difficult it is to get a game on Nintendo's eshop and if this is returning a profit, how much does Nintendo charge to list a game?https://www.nintendo.com/us/search/#cat=gme&f=softwarePublisher&softwarePublisher=Red%20Fableshttps://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Red%20Fables
>>739154164But I got told nintendo was banning fanservice, hmmm?Could have devs like compile shart lied as a publicity stunt? HMMMM?
they should just delete every game that has less than 1000 sales after a month, that would improve things a lot even though it doesn't help the new release list
AI garbage will never make it and you prdouce as much as you want, you will simply never make it
>>739154649This kills the niche Japanese indies.
>>739153402This will probably be the greatest example of overton windows for times to come
>>739153402They were also nowhere near as complicated as popular indies releasing now, aside from incremental games that is
>>739147627where is the clog? those games don't get recommended to anyone by steam's systems
>>739143834>Massive issue>Nobody knows that it's happening Wow, almost like steam doesn't shove new releases into people's faces
>>739147627>toilet is hopelessly clogged, literally distilled feces filled to the brim and in the pipes with no hope of ever getting it fixed unless you call a plumber>dude don't shit on top you'll make it worse
>>739147627>>739155083I like this is implying all video games go in the shitter.
>>739143834Not a problem. Just don't play those games. Most people won't even see those games. Steam doesn't recommend random dogshit AI games with 5 reviews.If you're the sort of person who trawls through steam releases looking for interesting games, well the number of releases hasn't even doubled since 2021. If it becomes too great then you may need better filters but that's hardly a problem.If you're concerned about *your* game not getting exposure because of the AI slop, I doubt that's a problem either. As I said the number has barely doubled and steam trawlers are still going to see your game. If it's not dogshit it will still get exposure by virtue of looking good, the same as always. Thinking these AI games that nobody cares about are going to hide your genuine heckin gem of a release is cope.>le reddit spacing
>>739155083>>739147627>gigantic toilet has near-infinite shit bandwidth>some extra retards start emptying buckets of their stinky poop into it>nobody caresStinky
>>739154860Well yes they're able to put a bit more polish on something when a publisher gives them a budget, but this usually means in presentation as opposed to design. Either way, they are not worth the amount of money that they're asking for and when consumers stopped fighting back against low quality is whenl devs got bold and now we have slop the spire at 30 dollars. You want to talk about flash games, check the art in that game lol
>>739155413People's attention doesn't have unlimited bandwidth, and that's the main issue with the overflow
>>739155083Broken windows
>>739143834gamers deserve it and more
>>739143834The absolute deluge of low-effort, AI-generated slop has been a massive issue to literally every corner of the internet.>text>images >video>games>3d models>codeLiterally everything has been flooded with AI slop over the past few years and new AIs are being trained on their own slop. We're fucking doomed man.
>>739153402>but you retards decided it was worth paying money for themwhy would anyone make anything ever then
>>739144461just train an AI to find those "hidden gems" for you bro
>>739155819nobody browses the store like that
>>739155360You have to try and imagine what is going through a dev's mind when they are thinking of putting out a game into the current market. They know the odds are against them, and the temptation to cave into cheap tricks is very great. So great that almost everyone does it. Knowing that, even if you use the best filters ever (I sometimes do sub 100 reviews) it's extremely hard to find a product that retains its integrity across all metrics, plus being technically and mechanically sound. Whenever you corner someone with this they come back with "but I'm just an indie what do you want from me" which is the entitled attitude that spawned around 2014 when they started nuking the whole thing to shit
>>739155854Gaming hasnt ever been just literally going into the store and picking out stuff from the shelf unless moms were trying to buy something for their children. The process was multifaceted like relying on friends, communities, authoritative sources etc. When it's so splintered and overloaded now you don't really get any consistent signals from anyone or anything except the absolute most popular shit that everyone knows about. Another funny thing is steam reviews. If you look at indie games from before 2014, even the good ones from those times, they seldom have Overwhelmingly Positive spam on them, but now you can't even trust steam reviews because people rate vibes and fitting in, not the game itself
>>739156341Meant for >>739156178
>>739144103>99.9% of non ai games are dogshit anyway, so you might as well accept and play dogshit made by jeet AI instead
>>739144103Yes
>>739144103>WOW WHAT DO YOU CARE IF I SEVERELY WORSEN YOUR ODDS OF FINDING ACTUALLY GOOD GAMES BECAUSE MY EGO SUDDENLY DEPENDS ON VIBE-COBING
>>739145812that analogy still doesn't work
AIslop will never go away because it's free money for steam. You have to pay to list a game on steam. So a slopper can just pay $100 bucks to put up something made by grok.It's basically an infinite money cheat. Valve doesn't have to worry about anything ever again.
>>739144338>government subsidizes BILLIONS in llm funding>muh free marketyou fucking moron you deserve to be used and thrown into the dumpster
>>739144103Damn really triggered the zoomers with this one
>>739143834what's the issue, exactly?all I have to do is not buy them
>>739156461You should stop going outside
>>739144103>DURR IT WAS ALWAYS SHIT Kys>>739156762You too.
If you think about it, Gaben was the bad guy this entire time. Maybe he had good intentions making it accessible, I'm not sure, but I feel like he was high enough IQ to foresee how the resulting market dynamics would change gaming if it wasn't gatekept. We had free games forever and they worked well for fulfilling their role. If any of those people really wanted to make something more ambitious they would find a way.
>>739156838Why are zoomers so volatile?
>>739145602good morning sarr
>>739151698Isn't it common for horror games?
>>739156943It's 7:40 PM
>>739156825Is it because you shit out there, ranjessh?
>>739156762The same post will be defended to death in a few years. The hivemind flips on a dime based on what authority tells them to think. This is not even taking into account that half the people that get angry at this right now are just trying to sell copies of their bad trend hopping game before AI makes them obsolete
>>739156929you argue very jewishly
>>739156929Life and times of living in dying nation states.
>>739156929It's because they don't shit in their street like you do.
>>739157030>AI WILL TAKE OVER AND PEOPLE WILL BE FREE TO MAKE WHAEVER THEY WANT LIKE AREOPLAN ANDCAR YES 2 more weeks
>>739156929Because unlike you raj. I actually valve my fellow humans.
>>739157030but authority is decidedly pro-AI, maybe you’re just projecting
>>739157127>valvelul
>>739144103FPBP and nope. No one sane looks at obviously shit games.The reason people are mad about more art and games as a result of AI is because these are the insane people who actually try to look at everything, looking for more garbage to enjoy. The people with 500+ indie games in their steam libraries that actually browse new releases like consumer cattle. Unironic shit eaters that live to consoom garbage.They're mad because there will be exponentially more trash to siphon through, and when they find the good stuff they'll talk about it and sane people like you and I will play those games without having done any research at all. Naturally good things simply float to the top and it's all thanks to the autistic consumer cattle filtering out the worthless rubble for is.
>>739157180I'm speaking in your language.
>>739156929They've never gotten into a fight.Never fought and won, never fought and lost.I don't trust people who have never fought in their life, they don't know they cost of fighting.
Imagine defending AI trash. Who's paying you?
>>739157252Cool it with the antiseptic rhetoric
idk where OP got those numbers from
I went on an AI philosophy binge today and it led me to the conclusion that all of this shit is just pop gnosticism. Which is ironic since redditors love that shit, but hate AI.
>>739157130Gaming authority, which has been the woke circles since 2014. The first step will be a celebrated game that made liberal use of AI
>>739157390>Pete Thiel, Scam Altman and co looking to conjure their false god to usher in a new age of techno feudalism Grim
>The solution was to rely on indies and emulation as the industry went to shit>Now indies are being drowned in Jeet AI shit slop that makes it hard to find a good man-made game.Oh wow so it's truly over for this whole thing. I guess just play emulators and old games until the end of time. Lmao
>>739157616I mean, yes and no, it's pretty apparent that this isn't sustainable and Valve is inevitably going to yank most of this shit off the store since nobody actually buys it.Or at the very least totally de-rank it to the point it doesn't show up unless you explicitly search for it.
>>739157616>vidya dying just in time for the draft to come in against the ayys and mudslimesWew
stick to old games or embrace the future, ai's here to stay, and will become an ever growing tool for making video games
>>739157691>Or at the very least totally de-rank it to the point it doesn't show up unless you explicitly search for it.Doesn't Valve do just that.I think most AI slop just doesn't show up in new releases unless you look for it specially
>>739143834retard. youtube has 20 million videos uploaded PER DAY, and this was before any AI. So there's literally no issue if the rate of games on steam increases to 20 million games uploaded per day.what's going to change? nothing.
>>739157691Its certainly not sustainable for their servers. Deviantart and other art sites will have to cut back on this shit or else it would fill server space as its basically a free .zip bomb that they have to pay a shitton for over time. Valve is going to have to eventually do something about this shit and by something that means they start segregating and discriminating between man-made and AI or just deleting it.Turns out having barriers to shit actually made things healthier instead of giving every fag with a pulse the idea of doing something without going through a struggle. Lmao
>>739157390They have no critical thinking skills. Their entire personality is literally Thing is Bad/Thing is Good with no point of origin except their respective authority figures and feel safe in doing it because everyone else is doing it too. Rightoids are pretty much the same at this point. You can make mobs of idiots believe anything and it's embarrassing to even call them human.
>>739157616>blaming AI for indies being shitThis myth will eventually die out
>>739157960>Its certainly not sustainable for their servers. Deviantart and other art sites will have to cut back on this shitDA already has a download limit lmao. You can't download more than 10 things at a time and that's the free user one. But even payfags get cucked out because they can only download around 150 things
>>739157797Yes and no.Yes as in as it goes through the process of getting on steam, sitting in new released, gagging out and dying because nobody wants this shit.But what I'm talking about is picking up on these developers shuffling around new developer accounts and automatically de-ranking it before it has the chance to choke out actual new releases of games intended to be played by anyone.Kinda like how they were talking about the issue of people botting the Steam Deck top played when it got out that people actually use that to find games worth playing and it being not TOO difficult to trick steam into thinking the device you're running it on is a Steam Deck.
>>739157616You fags say shit like this yet random indie games like Windrose and Far Far West come out of nowhere and sell hundreds of thousands of copies in a week.You are genuinely living in a bubble.
>>739157946Youtube is literally not even a real website anymore. Even when you search for something concrete it prioritizes shilled garbage or things not even relevant to your search. They still allow modifiers like searching upload dates up to a certain time but it will eventually be removed like everything else was on that shithole. It's only good if you don't mind being a pig for the algo gods
>>739158174>out of nowhereLOL you can't be this naive
>>739158060>DA already has a download limit lmao.Okay? That doesn't stop the fact that eventually their servers will bloat to unsustainable proportions to where they cannot pay for it, or if they do its going to be out the ass. You also have the fact of reputation ruin pushing away actual artists leaving only generated derivative shit.
>>739158252Here comes the goalpost shift.
>>739158287You missed the point, they limited it BECAUSE they admitted it was strain on their servers but they won't back down because the AI slop fruit is too tempting to just say no to
>>739157946False equivalence. Video games and Youtube videos are two seperate things where youtube is free videos and steam has you pay for these generated video games. The stakes are higher for steam because they can't risk people making scam asset flipped games and ripping people off like during steam Greenlight, only this time it's by a mangitude of x100 with AI.
>>739158320What goalpost shift? You do understand that these games are heavily marketed and their publishers are in bed with every single channel of influence right
>>739144218>Free market is when corporations own everything yet still so incapable of being profitable that they need constant government interventionCapitalism simply doesn't work. And neither does communism.
>>739158686Capitalism can work for a while, communism is getting taken out back day 1. Have to take what you can get
>>739158493>The stakes are higher for steamThis is the only point you made.It really doesn't matter if it's 20 million free games or 20 million paid games. You're not going to see them.It's only burdensome for valve who would need increased moderation, but why even put yourself in valve's shoes? You're not the corpo, you're the customer.
>>739158493>The stakes are higher for steam because they can't risk people making scam asset flipped games and ripping people offThe refund system prevents that, and the fact that Steam charges a couple hundred dollars to list a game filters out the absolute bottom-tier shit made by a single third worlder with chatgpt.The fact that these AI games cost money also means that the games are essentially protecting players from themselves. Some people will be fooled by a thumbnail into watching slop on youtube for a few minutes, but there's going to be several magnitudes less that will actually pay money for a slop game, when it >costs them money>is a greater time investment than a few minutes>there's several screenshots and video trailers showing how low quality it is
>>739145989>dangerous contentyou are jewish
>don't look for porn vns or "break bricks to reveal image" games on steamNot my problem.
>>739159201>just stop looking in the toilet if you don't want to see shit
>>739159201>Just ignore the ants on your food bro.
>>739159438Yes that's generally a good idea.
ludditebros....
>>739159438Why are you looking in the toilet?
>>739157308Your search result includes DLC, soundtracks, software etc. so the cumulative number is higher. OP is pulled from steamdb. Note the store page will also include TBA games and steamdb might still include released but removed games.https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/
>>739159549>>739159769you goys are avoiding the problem
>>739160640guys*
>>739158838>This is the only point you made.Regardless of how much it hurts your feeling. Video and video games are two different formats and its retarded to compare them, especially where the later you have to pay for.
>>739160820girls*
>>739159074But anon, I was told that this was the future and it doesn't really matter because we've always had shit slop that was human made so it shouldn't matter if ranjeesh pumps out twenty new farm games
now it makes sense why i have so many games from 2023-24must have been the covid years that suddenly made a lot of people make games
>>739158759Nigga at least Soviets had healthy food that doesn't give you cancer after WW2
>>739148073>ESL artistOpinion disregarded.
>>739143834Valve setting the bar low for $100 USD submission i have always said at the beginning of Green light that they should have set it to $1000+ for serious devs but now you have faggets trolling and uploading slop for internet points.
>>739162270I still have no idea why it matters. If you actually had to reach past all the garbage on the store to get to the good ones, sure, but here, you never have to even acknowledge whatever garbage is tucked away.
>>739162270you're one evil piece of shit
>>739149173there are stolen games on switch too.People have downloaded demos off of itchio, touched them up with AI, and AI thumbnails, and sold them.
Sucks for valve for having to host all that dogshit but it's fortunately not my problem. I just play the good games
>>739161171>at least Soviets had healthy foodThey didn't have food.
>>739162835It is pretty discriminatory against people whose purchasing power is weaker but saying all gatekeeping must be abolished is not how we evolved as a species unfortunately
why was 2019 the only one that didn't release more than the previous year?
>>739144790That's not how steams algo works.You can drop a good game into a bucket with million shit games and its still going to get propped up
>>739143834Yeah but look at the per-year proportional growth.Can you spot the year AI slop started flooding in and ruining the market?
>>739164869(I'm mildly retarded myself actually, please subtract 100% from those figures thanks)
>>739145282You never explained anything.You're just lashing out because someone asked you to explain why
>>739143834>he doesn't know about Real Steam
wow i cant believe more games started releasing as steams popularity grew
>>739143834It's not a problem for me because I use the ignore button. I've got thousands of games hidden just from ignore alone. I only wish devs could see if I have their games ignored or not.
>>739144338If a game doesn't get any sales in a month it gets delisted
>>739164869Was a great time to leave it all behind in 2014. I think Lisa and Nuclear Throne were the last ones I got really into, and now I recently learned Lisa dev got groomed which is sad
>>739164869>ignores exponential returns in your path
>>739151236>pici don't remember, did chris face prison time for the shit he pulled off, and was he sent to a woman prison?
>>739148881You shill it non stop like that subhuman favela monkey who has been spamming his parkour game here lately
Don't you have to pay to release your game on steam?Is the issue the price?I think if it was raised to 1000+ to upload your game then it might deter legitimate sloppers since they can never make that backI mean they never even make back $100 so I still don't get why they spam
>>739146734The problem isn't that one guy is doing it. It's that the entirety of South America and India are doing it.
>>739164248its a fucking video game you psycho
>>739143834>The absolute deluge of low-effort, AI-generated slop infesting Steam has been a massive issue to gaming in general and NO ONE is talking about it.How so? You say this, but I'm not seeing it. Steam does not force this shit on me. None of this shit shows up for me. You claim it's a thing, but this seems to not be grounded in reality and instead looks like some online only drama for terminally online
>>739166187Art and entertainment is part of culture and society. No two ways about it. We don't recoil at street shitting only because it's unsanitary, but also because it's aesthetically displeasing
>>739164951This.People don't see 90% of this trash.
>>739166437>Art and entertainment is part of culture and society that's why I want to stop it from being madeevil faggot
>>739143834Brown shovelware games for a brown shovelware platform.
>>739166350You're seeing it in the sense that consumers have been conditioned to pay more for less so the games you like are actually much shittier than they could have been since the incentives for trying disappeared
>>739166537No, the implication was that third world countries don't mesh with western values anyway so gatekeeping them from making games wouldn't have been a big loss. For instance, a person in the west might be humble enough to not release garbage onto the storefront whereas a third worlder just wants money at any cost and doesn't give a shit about higher values. Not their fault because that's how attitudes in poor places are but again gatekeeping means not everyone gets to get through, the gates
>>739144436Valves system sucks ass and makes decent gamed fall through the cracks and scammers to game the system with fake impressions
>>739166735>fake impressionsThey base everything around revenue retard
>>739144236>steam is your house and bedroomI am so sorry for you lmao
Don't go to /v/ for logic. A medium only suffers when people lose interest in that medium, that's it. Books have always been a flooded market because of its ease of access (anyone who went through grade school can write a book if they wanted to). All of the shit never gets noticed while the actual gems become generational classics. Traditional TV and radio are fading out because people just lost interest. Even back when there were hundreds of useless channels, TV was still booming until the internet and streaming became a better form of entertainment. Nothing's going to happen to video games or Steam until something better comes along. It just means all the shit will be forgotten and there will be a higher bar for acceptable quality.
>>739167297>Nothing's going to happen to video gamesIt happened like 20 years ago and the vultures are just finishing the job. Interest means nothing outside of context. Yes, the latest Pokemon games sold a lot of copies. But very bad games. This is the norm. It's hard to imagine what else you could possibly mean by "suffer" unless sales are literally the only metric you use.
>>739167806if you hate video games so much then you should quit it then.
>>739167906Lol
AI games have just about the same effort put into them as Pixelart Platformer Roguelike or Deckbuilder Card game #491010
>>739143834Who the fuck cares nigger 99% of non-ai slop is INDIE ROGUELIKE METROIDVANIA CARD GAME DECKBUILDER EARLY ACCESS BULLET HEAVEN SURVIVAL CRAFTING
>>739143834>NO ONE is talking about it.This has been a topic ever since greenlight became a thing. People are just too retarded to care because they love slop and think quantity = quality
>>739148881Should have learned a trade
>>739144103Holy first post Trvth Tsar Bomba. Human slop is always worse than AI cuisine. I personally know many western devs and modders, some of which have very well known or work on very well known projects who purposely keep the fact that they switched to AI code, and their projects have literally never been better, but they keep this is a secret because they're mostly afraid of far left trannies who have a really insane hate boner about AI, and all the objective improvements it brings. This is particularly true in the modding community, but there is a lot of overlap between devs and modders. The best projects that have come out in the last few years have had tons of AI code/generative AI behind the scenes that nobody knows about. It's just the average layman doesn't know how to use AI well, just as prior to AI, they didn't know how to their jobs well to begin with.
>>739158686>Capitalism simply doesn't workTrue capitalism hasn't been tried yet.
>>739161171>Soviets had healthy foodYes , so much food that there was a famine.
>>739144218in a free market you leave the store with bad products on its shelves and go to another store
>>739143834This feels like complaining about a library having too many books. You can literally just not go to the sections of the library you don't like, or in other words, use Steam's comprehensive filters and "not-interested" options to better curate it into showing you shit you'd actually like? Like what a weird nonsensical thing to bitch about, especially since it's a digital marketplace so it literally wouldn't make two bits of difference if there a billion games on it.
>>739144103Yeah, it does
>>739168383Imagine that your favorite library suddenly started carrying every awful tumblr fanfiction in published book form, and that in order to find the niche books you enjoy, the ones that you could find before with relative ease, you now have to spend a couple of hours digging through said tumblr fanfiction. And not only that, the lack of discoverability financially hurts the authors of those niche books you used to read, so they can't afford to write them anymore.
>>739143834>Blaming aiAi is high effort compared to buying some assets and making some jumpscare simulator or random car game.
>>739168818You didn't browse every single title that released before 2022, and I doubt you've read a book after high school.
>>739156021For the fun of it?I do a lot of things in life not expecting a practical reward at the end of it. I also like to make art and display it for free. As long as it improves the mood of someone out there, it's worth it. Even if nobody sees it, I'll still keep doing it and displaying it, the ONLY thing that matters is doing it and shipping it, whether it gains visibility or traction is of no consequence.
>>739146131Surely
There is no causal relationship between AI and the quality of games
>>739146131Consoles only have vouched for, quality titles
>>739144103Fippy Bippy
>>739148573>You don't need somebody's entire "taco portfolio" to be taken as training data without their consent to produce a taco.It's perfectly legal to eat a taco from every taco maker and then make your own taco based on the experiences you've gathered.
>>739156461>so you might as well accept and play dogshit made by jeet AI insteadThe quoted post doesn't say or imply this you retarded cunt
AI slop is also strangling the boorus.Gen it all you fucking want, but don't upload it!
>>739148073Vending machines don't steal jobs from chefs because it offers a vastly different experience to restaurant quality food. Fast food doesn't kill fine dining. The machine creates jobs for software developers, engineers and mechanicsThe person buying the food from the vending machine is not supposed to be the one who made the food item, same applies when you buy food from a fast food joint or a restaurant. This accusation makes no logical sense.They paid for the food, they're not a thief.Ingredients and the functional steps to make a food item are not intellectual property, no recipes are "stolen". And really now, copyrighting instruction to make food? Kike shit
>>739144103ai is killing trans people. that's why it matters.
>>739149204Good artwork, only to be brought down by the atrocios typography of the title
>>739144338The market would decide to put poison into food products to make them cheaper if there was no government regulation.
>>739171518the pixiv situation is even worse. my fav tags are just 95% AI slop now, maybe 5% of which is worth bookmarking. and plenty of these 'creators' sell this stuff too.
>>739144103They hated him because he told them the truth>nooooo muh hidden gems how will I ever find them nowThey were already impossible to find by just scrolling through fucking releases and the billion Zit Popping Simulators and Gay Space Nigger Survivors out there. It does not matter if you're searching through a 100 or 200 haystacks, it's all a fool's errand and you never did any of this in the first place. Not in the last 10 years at least.And that's not even touching the fact that genning shit is unironically already ten times the effort of asset flipping anyway.
It's funny how people aren't more worried about AI stealing jobs.Here's what gonna happen - Everybody's gonna get fucked.What do you think people will do when their jobs get taken by AI?They either become thief & burglar and destabilize society.Or go on street and riot because they have nothing to lose, and destabilize society.Or they are going to compete against you for your job, making your pay shit as well.There's no good outcome from this except for the riches.
please...PLEASE tell me AI is gonna just end up being a fad like 3d TVs and VR. I'm scared...
>>739174878No, AI's not gonna end up like that. AI is much more useful than VR or 3D TVs. Kids use it for book reports, scientists use it to prototype, etc.AI is here to stay. There is an AI bubble, like the Dot Net bubble, but it will find it's place, permanently.
>>739157946youtube is nothing like steam and vice versa, what are you talking about?
>>739144103Well yes because the total volume of shit you have to wade through to find something good has fucking doubled???? youre adding more hay to haystack and act like it wont make the needle harder to find.
>>739164951 was duckov really that good? Thought it was just a blatant cashgrab like that banana game
>>739166350it affects all users, but especially if you have Adult games set to visible
>>739168383if you go to a library and they have 100 books, the chance you'll stumble across a non-big publisher book you've never seen before is higher. If the library has 10,000 books the odds of finding that book is much lower
>>739174878Maybe things will calm down after the bubble pops & manmade content will remain king.Otherwise we're heading to a generic dystopia...
>>739174878AI is already proven useful.Try AI yourself and see what it can do and what it can't do.
>>739144103>instead of cleaning up the ganges why not just shit in the street?
>>739146131>he doesn't know about the trophy game rabbit hole
>>739144103no, it's already impossible to discover a good indie game. imagine steam gets 20 thousand new games added each year, game journos cover/curate/shill only the big ones or intentially push woke activism stuff, yt and twitch influencers are paid shills so they only cover some stupid fomo like that hole-digging game. meaning 99.9% of games get unnoticed, including the hidden gems and genuinely good titles. AI will only intensify this, instead of 20 thousand (mostly trash) titles we'll get an additional 30 thousand prompted with AI.
it doesnt really matter whether ai is involved or notthere only reason theres a lot more lame games is because videogames are more popular than ever and theres more people making games than ever. no other real causethe newer wave of developers is predominantly lower quality not because of tools or ai or engines or whatever, its really just a taste thing and "games ive played before" thing. Just ask the favorite games of a developer who made some giga flop game and then ask the favorite games of someone who made something successful, the difference is night and day
>>739144218>>739158686Capitalism only worked when they were on a cold war against communism. It took them 30 years to realize they're not at war against communism anymore and thus dropped all the pretenses and transitioned to goypitalism.
>>739176471Oh nyo, indie devs will have to advertise their game!
>>73914888115.000 of those 20.000 games don't make the 100 dollars of fee back that is required to publish on steam, you are still competing with the same amount of real game form 2015 - 2016
>>739176747stop it
>>739176471>>739176747good games practically advertise themselvesgood luck pointing out a game that doesnt have at least 500-1000 reviews after a few months and isnt either>outright terrible>extremely janky/rough and not the most appealing>the most autistically niche thing ever (ie: tactical nexus)in fact most games that are actually genuinely good will break 1000 reviews eventually
>>739174878No, it's way too convenient and accessible. It might go away from the "mainstream" because of how vilified it is, and we are already seeing regulation being put on big AI companies. But it isstill going to be developed and used privately I can generate whatever kind of porn I want featuring whatever character I want on my own personal computer right now and it will only take me like 30 seconds. This stuff isn't going away
>>739179707 is it really that easy to do now? Always been interested, but figured the barrier to entry/quality of output wasn't where it needed to be yet...
>>739179746>is it really that easy to do now?Yes. Go to /trash/ and find a guide
>>739157297lol'd
>>739176471>trust me there are tons of genuinely good games out there you just can't see them because of the AI>no I can't name a single one of them but they exist and are impossible to findThis argument is literally schizophrenia.
>>739179746At this point, the quality of output is almost wholly dependent on your own ability to prompt, alter values and use extensions.Which funnily enough, means that 3rd worlders will never be able to use AI well.
>>739180140are you retarded? haven't you seen any of the million hidden gems threads we regularly have to give visibility to cool niche indie games?
>>739180247The failure of those threads to actually depict what >>739176471 was claiming is what I had in mind when posting >>739180140
I saw AI art printed on canvas for sale at a flea market yesterday. Right next to actual hand painted stuff.
>>739154164So you see we clearly need more low effort slop that can be generated in seconds
>>739144392https://youtu.be/JuRhL6rafNo
>>739174878Even if big companies fail, jeets still have stable diffusion for art and other stuff installed locally. It's not going away
>>739182779exactly, that's what I'm saying
>>739178636This is vague enough to lump every presented example into one of these categories in bad faith
>>739171379Yes it does ranjeet. That is implication of all the pro-ai jeets in this thread that we should just roll over and play this dogshit be it was always le bad. kys
>>739185248Also almost none of big indies pass the test either
>>739185461https://youtu.be/JuRhL6rafNo
>>739166350oh cool a solipsist
I dunno if you just find a game reviewer with similar taste to your own and look at the front page and sales pages that valve curates like a normal person this isn't an issue and doesn't effect you at all
>>739143834wat is steam
>>739185784The games that make the most money influence which direction the industry and other developers go, so you are always affected
>>739185248no it isnt. just post oneI mean yeah, no shit, the statement is vague because the concept of a "good game" is vague. But matter of fact is, you CAN tell if a game with 5-20 reviews is genuinely good from the store page, more often than not. Once every month or so i see a game like this and it makes me go "yeah this thing is reaching 500-10000 reviews" and it pretty much always does without fail. No joke, if you cant tell your game will be practically unplayed by the time you are halfway finished with it, then you unironically failed the "ideas guy" phase of game development
>>739168383Libraries are budgeted and curated places ranjeet. This would be the equivalent of dumping unlimited boxes of photocopied pamphlets in the aisles and calling them "books" and then shitting on anyone complaining that its harder to sift through content and go through to find a decent book. A billion low-quality entries absolutely affects metadata quality, search relevance
>>739180308I was in most of these threads and am thankful to anons who suggested many of these games, I assume some of them were indie devs or their friends. there's no way steam recommendation algorithm would allow me to stumble upon them by blind luck because it's tweaked to push the most popular normie slop and FOMO. it's literally a needle in a haystack situation. you would be a huge disingenuous faggot if you were to claim you heard about or played more than 10 games mentioned in these threads.
>>739171193>There is no causal relationship between AI and the quality of games
>>739180247>haven't you seen any of the million hidden gems threads we regularly have to give visibility to cool niche indie games?98% of games in these threads are beyond forgettable and pretty much earned their failureposting a genuinely great game in that thread is practically indistinguished from posting some meme-tier gameif you cant tell the obvious reasons why these games have <100 reviews at a single glance then please dont make one of these games yourself because its almost guaranteed to flop
>>739176471>no, it's already impossible to discover a good indie game.In the last 365~ days i have spotted these games back when they had less than 50 reviewshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2941710/Project_Silverfish/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3834090/YAPYAP/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/3716600/Mage_Arena/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3124540/Far_Far_West/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2062430/BALL_x_PIT/I dont really consider these games particulary great (Bar the first one) but it was instantly obvious they would reach thousands of reviews. It is perfectly doable to find games on steam and its not a lottery, people and specially /agdg/ just need to accept that bland games flop and games that even remotely stand out instantly get popular
>>739185825u turn a valve for it
I'm sure playing a game created by an LLM that conglomerates data already in existence is somehow going to be better than a troon making it. Especially with the training data being content made by trannies and libshits. Lmao
>>739143834It's the same people that were already flooding the store with:>asset flip shit>babby's first college project>classic minigame (snake, tetris, puzzles, sliders) BUT GIMMICK>barely functional chinese shit trying to capitalise on a trend>eastern european shit that will burn your computer down and/or give you adware >weeaboo's shitty rpg maker game>badly translated rpg maker porn game>furry/lgbt indie project that not even the developers want to play>broken english weg game (see: eastern euro shit)>eternal early access demo abandoned 3 years agoExcept now they're AI-assisted so it's a little easier to cover up the lazy shittiness. You were never going to buy games from them and the store was already filled with that garbage so you weren't able to find good stuff by going through it. Literally nothing of value was lost. The only people who should be seething are indie devs that can't market and want the store's algo to help do it for them, and those people aren't making good games either so fuck 'em.
>>739143834>this is a major issueWhy? Show me, quantitatively, how this is negatively impacting anyone. Don't tell me about your feelings or try to fear monger about the AI boogieman. Show me exactly how AI slop games that get no sales or attention from the market is such a massive issue that I should I invest energy into caring about. Surely, you have some numbers or statistics and you're not just an emotionally dysregulated mentally ill retard, right?
>>739176471No, you just don't have any sort of eye for quality or taste whatsoever. It's not hard to find decent to good indie games on Steam at all. You're just projecting your own ineptitude on the market because you have the ego of a 12-year-old and can't stand the thought that you don't know even half as much about video games as you think.
>>739187014>Why? Show me, quantitatively, how this is negatively impacting anyoneRTFT
>>739186356>to claim you heard about or played more than 10 games mentioned in these threads."Genuinely good games" is the operative term here.
the "ideas guy" department is underrated. unironically most people willing, capable and determined to put in the effort to spend 6-36 months working on a game fail at this phasethey just dont know games well enough or are unable to accurately do some basic self reflection and judgment while spending years of their lives working on it. >if someone else had made my game and i saw it on the steam store, would i be at all interested in it or would i just forget about it within 5 minutes?>Is this idea basically just spending several years making an inferior version of a pre-existing trendy game?>am i actually at all capable of making a good commercial game or should i spent a few more months/years making small meme games?>is every facet of my game really not the most forgettable uninspired and uninteresting thing conceivable???>is my entire idea for a game something that will cost disproportionally more than it will sell? is there no way to make it real while being way cheaper and faster and shabbier?a lot of them will cope with "this is the game <<I>> would like to see existing, i dont care about profits" but more often than not, this just isnt true. Its not remotely near the game they actually want but they cant even notice that. They are completely blinded by their own terrible performance at ideasguy autism that they cannot compute how uninterested they would be in their own project if they were a player and not the developer.
>>739187014>Why? Show me, quantitatively, how this is negatively impacting anyone
>>739186356I havent played a single game from these threads because these threads are filled with trash. I found numerous no-name games through /v/ in other threads, however. protip most people with taste dont post in these threads
>>739143834Playstation and Playstation 2 had a bit over 4200 games each. Less than 10k games over two generations, 12 years from 1994 (PSX is out) until 2006 (PS3 is released, although games for PS2 were still being made). Over twice of that releases on Steam yearly.The percentage of bad games is pretty much the same, by the way. Half of PS1/PS2 games are VNs and normalfag games (Fifas, NBAs, Maddens and so on). I've watched whole videos where they present 10 seconds of every game released on PS and PS2 (check The Playstation Project on YT). I was downloading roms in preparation for myrient's death. And for years I've been checking at least screenshots from every game released in the last 24 hours on Steam, every day, so I know what I'm talking about. Yes, I've seen all those 21489 games released in 2025.
>>739187570>my criteria is asking for proof
>>739187570Yes, when you make an empirical claim, you are required to provide empirical evidence to back up the claim. Your feelings are irrelevant.
>people who don't play videogames complaining about something that doesn't matter if you actually play videogamesI get that people are desperate for engagement but don't we have boards like /s4s/ and /r9k/?
>>739186254Reviews are marketing. Nobody "finds" games on their own especially these days unless they're an autist and it's likely those games fall into the niche category anyway.The reason you're seeing what you see is a) some of these games have publishers that give them money to make it so of course they're more polished and of course they have greater average reach b) they're made to cater to certain popular trends or fetishes or vibes, nobody is actually looking at the quality of the games and the proof is how steam users rate games today, 99% Overwhelmingly Positive because everyone loved the sexy and funny Tumblr tranny character in it
>Open steam personal calendar>Crank to 500 games>Exclude early access>Filter out genres that you don't like>Literally find new and interesting games every week of the yearThe truth is, you faggots don't want to put in literally any effort whatsoever and just want Steam to spoonfeed you the perfect game using nothing but vibes and fairy dust. You're worse than the blind consoomer.
>>739188304>projectionJust because you're a retard that can't find games on their own, does not mean everyone else shares in your mental deficiencies. Your problems are your own.
AAA might have created the foundation for gaming’s demise, but indies dealt the finishing blow, long before AI came long. An industry filled with consumers that celebrate having low standards only deserves to be put down.Just as normies entered the hobby and enabled ballooning studios to exercise increasingly predatory practices, to only create games catering to the lowest common denominator, we saw a parallel where zoomer trannies, millennial redditors, and SJWs were serenaded by “indie” (backed by publishers) “developers” (talentless, creatively bankrupt hacks in it for the money/fame/politics) to the point where it became perfectly sensible to pay 20 dollars for a glorified flash game consisting of mobile-tier skinner boxes, popular trends, wholesale ripoffs of old games, or just lazy/bad/unfinished work while demanding payment all the same. Meanwhile, shills of all kinds cited this as proof that gaming wasn’t dead.But how did this affect (You) personally? Seeing cheap sloplikes sell millions meant real studios with a repertoire of beloved mid-budget titles could never justify investing in anything but AAA ever again, while the few aspiring indie developers with any skill/talent could never justify working hard if they were going to be washed away by the deluge of waste on the storefronts and the incestuous cabals of influence that gatekept what got to become popular or not. The result was not only a dichotomy where games between big budget and zero budget went extinct, but that both operated on the exact same principles of being purely low-grade mass consumer feed that carefully preyed on the sensibilities each group identified with.The tragedy of the indie gamer is that they believed they were sticking it to the man while forgetting that the trajectory of the status quo they defended with their lives was chartered during Gamergate by people who despised video games and everything they were about, the same powers they sought to dismantle.
>>739145135I gave up on this when I passed 1000. Discovery queue is not worth it
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>>739186904>muh LLM conglomerates existing dataso literally what every human dev has done since forever? remixing shit they grew up on?you're acting like some pink-haired indie with a pronoun pin isn't also just mashing together earthbound + undertale + twitter discourse and calling it “subversive”. at least the AI doesn’t tweet.training data boogeyman is the funniest cope too. newsflash: most games you played were made by teams full of “libshits.” turns out political alignment has zero correlation with whether a jump feels good.if the game’s fun I’ll play it. if it’s slop I won’t. same as it’s always been. you’re shadowboxing culture war ghosts instead of just filtering the store like a normal person.imagine being this mad about hypotheticals lmao
>>739145135I just wish that they would get a store tag so I can filter them out instead of needing to manually ignore them.Gabe takes 100 bucks for every game uploaded. Every AI "dev" is operating in the black and cant break even.
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>>739188609I don't play slop because finding good games and ignoring slop is remarkably easy with a modicum of effort. You're just an overly emotional mentally ill retard that needs everything spoonfed to him constantly or he shits his pants.
I find the comparison between human learning and creativity to AI model training to be incredibly retarded and disingenuous. No reasonable person would think these are even remotely the same thing and even if you did, the outputs are different enough to warrant intense criticism on their own.
>>739144103it exponentially increases the rate of shitgames being released, niggalike, nigga, some retard 10 years ago had to spend a year making a shitgame in rpgmaker that looks like dragon quest 1 - now he needs to spend a weekand ALL (wish there was quadruple caps) of the elements - plot, dialogues, graphics - ALL of it was generated by AIAND THE WORST THING IS THAT THE BUDGET FOR THESE GAMES IS STEAM ADMISSION FEEMEANING THEY CAN SWARM THE STORE WITH THE SAME SHITTY PRODUCTS AFTER MINIMAL AMOUNT OF SALES WHICH SOME RETARDS DO IN ORDER TO INCREASE THEIR STEAM LEVEL
>>739188503This. I already bought 25 games released in 2026, finished them all, they were all at least good and most of them have less than 50 reviews on Steam.If you're a vidya enthusiast, you will put effort into finding games for yourself. If you're a normalfaggot, you will cry about games being shit, because you only know the ones your social media/YT algorithms and your normalfaggot friends will show you.
>>739188867>I am angry because people I have never met are making slop games in large volumes>I can easily ignore all of these slop games>I choose not to because I would rather be angry that people exist that make bad games>If I had it my way only "good" games would be allowed>I also exclusively define what is good and what is slop too>You should be angry over nothing, like me!This problem is a fiction in your head.
>>739188867Those games were going to be shit regardless you retarded catposter. Some shitting out AI garbage on Steam wasn't going to magically release anything worth existing but for AI.
>>739188905Correct. This thread just exposes how many of you are frauds that are into video games for ulterior reasons. It's not hard to discover games you will enjoy.
>>739189116>actually playing video games
>>739188724
>>739189062The subtext of his post is that bad games should not be allowed to exist or be released.
>>739188905Being proud of having zero taste is extremely embarrassing. Get a hold of yourself.
>>739189207>"This is a TWEWY thread, it sounds like you're inventing scenarios entirely in your head and then projecting them on to others."
>>739166735>makes decent gamed fall through the cracksName three.
>>739189212and those people would be releasing those games even without AI. As to bad games existing period see >>739189031At no point does the existence of slop interfere with me playing good games. It's only an issue if you're avoiding playing good games in favor of looking for reasons to be upset.
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>>739189596>card game>buyThey even shill their shitty deckbuilders in language learning apps jesus fucking christ
>>739189373Unlike you, who clearly has impeccable taste. That's why you don't actually play any video games. Because none of them appeal to your incredible transcendent taste. Faggot.
>>739189596iie, ge-mu wa shimasen
>>739189839There are a few gems here and there but they don't speak for the entire industry and cannot hope to create a canon of "transcendent" titles on their own unlike games back then. Everything gets pulled down further by the lowest common denominator each year
>>739143834simply block the third world minus china from using steam.it is seriously genuinely this easy.
>>739190226No, this is a fiction that only exists in your head. Slop games existing has zero effect on good games existing. The problem is you, your insecurities, and your baby tier ego.
>>739188430 Holy shit this is actually awesome, wishlisted 5-6 games I'd have never heard of otherwise. Thanks man
>>739144103We should imprison people as stupid as you.
>>739190581>minus china
>>739188430your process is also impacted by AIjeet trash getting churned out.
>>739143834Why did they stop Steam Greenlight? I didn't read much on that.
>>739190581Or better yet require facial ID to use steamOnly light skin tones pass
>>739190918>Why did they stop Steam Greenlight?it was somehow even worse than how things currently are
>>739190897china and taiwan dont flood the market with AIslop like india, SEA and south america do.
>>739190882>If you don't buy my bad cashgrab game you should go to prisonLol
>>739143834This >>739144103The tide of low effort indie-slop was never going to stop. AI changed nothing for people with taste.
>>739191007>china and taiwan dont flood the market with AIslop
>>739191152ye
>>739191007
>>739190804This thread has already covered how the process unfolds multiple times. When your competition is a barrage of low effort kusoge that bottom of the barrel consumers lap up you either become like them or get left behind. It's not really a matter of taste or opinion as much as how markets become efficient
>>739191290>low effort kusoge that bottom of the barrel consumers lap upExcept the point has been made multiple times in this thread, by both sides, that nobody is buying these garbage AI games getting spammed on Steam. Your own framing renders your argument obsolete because, even by the retarded masses, these 'games' are all sub 100 reviews bought by nobody.
>>739190804you sound like an AI marketer trying to sell snake oil.of course more bad shit makes things worse for everybody. exposure of small titles gets impacted by this. it puts a greater burden on those who want to stand out. denying that is straight up denying reality.
>>739191654>of course more bad shit makes things worse for everybody. exposure of small titles gets impacted by this. it puts a greater burden on those who want to stand out. denying that is straight up denying reality.How do you argue all the posts in this thread explaining how that's not the case?
>>739191871didnt read them but they sound retarded so I dont even want to.
>>739191519Who said anything about garbage AI games? Do you really think Slay the Spire is some kind of ideal to strive for? That shitty slot machine flash game is 30 FUCKING DOLLARS, you'd get laughed out of a room for buying that 20 years agoAnd yes the masses are pretty stupid and yes they don't play anything that a streamer didn't tell them to play. Actually, they don't even play the games, they just say they liked them to fit in
>>739188430There is one universal truth that you blatantly ignored>Steam tags are fucking trashIt is a steam issue, when they allow people to tag anything on any game, and you can't even filter users added tags.
>>739192059>Who said anything about garbage AI games?Did you mean to post in this thread?
I just use https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/ for filtersIt's still a ton of work finding anything decent though and even when it is the production value is almost non-existent. If you grew up playing games made by real studios it feels like you're just cucking yourself settling for less.
>>739192327If you read the entire thread it's mostly a discourse about the indie game industry as a whole, not necessarily AI, namely the point brought up in fippy bippy.
>>739148698I guess if you use what they say is a gem as a filter for what to avoid there's some concept of that
>>739191290>This has been covered and explained alreadyYou have literally zero empirical evidence for anything. Everything in this thread is just intellectualizing your emotions as a cope for how irrational you are. Nobody buys the slop games. The market does not reward them. Whatever bullshit navel gazing pseudointellectual drivel you type out does not change reality.
>>739192559>it's mostly not about AIYou don't need to lie on an anonymous imageboard just say you don't care.
>>739192059>I decide what games everyone else should valueYou're a fucking retard. Literally mad that people like things you don't like. I don't even like Slay the Spire 2, either. I think it's a pointless sequel that could have just been a major update or DLC for the first game. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people just love Slay the Spire 2 because it's more Slay the Spire and that's what they want. Doomering over something being popular that you don't like is peak retard behavior. You must be young as fuck if you think this is a problem worth being upset over. This same scenario is going to play out multiple times a year, every single year of your life, over everything and anything. You're an insecure and effeminate bitch.
>>739190836You're welcome! Enjoy your new games.
>>739190907Yes, and that's why when/if they pop up in my calendar, I click the "ignore" button to help train the recommendation algorithm to not show me slop. You have the tools to curate your own experience, but you choose not to use them.
>>739194681now imagine all the good games that were filtered out because you blindly trust the algorithm
>>739194195The market rewards them because they are the games everyone buys and holds up as the ideal. It can't get any more simple than that.>>739194545Yeah well, people can want capeshit too, and it shall be bestowed upon them, and it will break all sales records. It doesn't mean it's good. It's just in very poor taste, and taste is a fickle thing that can't be taught easily. It took some time to break people down enough to have them start believing indie games are good too, so it works in the opposite direction as well.
>>739192116Pre-release steam tags are set by the developer and heavily weighted. User-created tags are never weighted over the developer selected tags and can be removed by the developer at any time at their discretion. The problem arises from developers not doing a good job on tags and not giving enough of a shit to maintain them on their store pages. It is not a Steam issue. Like most issues people have with Steam, it is caused by the user not the platform features or policies themselves.
>>739188430>do this>first game I see is a guy literally basedfacing in the thumbnail>look up backstory>simped for asian bitch and helped her make a game about her depression and christianity that won a gajillion game awardsLOL
>>739194929>the market rewards AI games because they buy AI games>The market does in fact not actually buy AI gamesOh, right now it's not about AI games it's just about "popular games I don't like", right? >>739194929>I am angry that plebians exist and support media that I find low-browYou're just an immature faggot that thinks he's more sophisticated and refined than he really is. Many such cases. 15 years ago a game like STS 2 being one of the most played games of the year would have been considered a miracle. Now it's slop and the casuals are ruining the industry. Ironic.
>>739195165jej
>>739188304immensurable levels of copeseveral of the games listed here >>739186810 have no publisher and target no particular trends
>>739195165I didn't say every single game on your calendar was going to be worth playing. I said it would help you discover games you are interested in playing and help you filter out slop. You can also train the algorithm by ignoring games you are not interested in by clicking the "ignore" button on the steam page. Hope that helps.
>>739195409It's about the entire industry celebrating mediocrity first and foremost, which sends the whole thing off a cliff because of how markets operate. Games are never created in a vacuum outside of that context. If bad games accepted by consumers truly had no ripple effects there wouldn't be a problem. We laugh now if people suggest mass migrations from backwards countries don't impact society in any way, but at one point people were literally doing the how does it affect you meme which is where it comes from. That's approximately where we are with indie games but the tide has finally started to turn.
>>739143834>gayme dev niggers think they can make itlmaojust lol
>>739143834Tons of people are talking about it though
>>739186810>stalker ripoff>friendslop>friendslop>lootslop>sloplikeYeah
>>739196412>sloplike
>>739144969he's a seething autist living the meme that is Don Quixote, he really needs to read that story and realise how pathetic of a cock sucking faggot he is as OP.Its simple OP, don't buy them, its not a problem, read the reviews before you buy a game. It doesnt matter if there's 50 million games on steam if nobody likes or plays 49.99million of them.
>>739196412>>stalker ripoffnobody rips off stalker like this>>friendslopTrue. 99% of friendslops flop so clearly this one did something different>>friendslopnot quite true. 99% of autistic pvp games flop so clearly this one did something different>>lootlikenot sure what that means but practically zero effortful games with a similar formula flop. This game is like 1/10th of DRG and still got popular>sloplikeTrue as fuck. 99% of sloplikes flop so clearly this one did something differentso yeah thanks for proving my point
>>739143834unironically that's only like 60 games a day in 2025. You could hire like 4 people you pay like $40,000/yr to simply test these games to see if they're complete trash or actual playable games. The shittiest ones can just be told to fuck off your shit sucks. Don't think you would need to play long at all to see that in the vast majority of these
i definitely thought steam had millions of games, and am pretty disappointed to discover the truth of the matter
>>739196619>only like 60 games a day
>>739145727I actually have 0 problems with the style. But the games it is attched to are still moslty slop so whatever.
>>739147652They put that shit in the tutorial so you can refund it without making a fuss when more of it shows up later. Also for journos to cum over since they don't play any more than the tutorial these days.
>>739196862it would cost well under $1,000,000/yr for Valve to hire a team of people to split those games up and test every new game to see if there is some bare minimum level of quality. Each game could get played by somebody on the team for a few minutes to say an hour to see if it seems like it deserves to be listed at all. Wouldn't be a matter of liking it or not really.
>>739196619way more profitable to get 100 bucks for every published game
>>739149083Ironically i have bought most of the games i've seen actually advertised on 4chan. Most of the time it was before i saw the ad though.
>>739148881It's the same as uploading on youtube. If it's genuinely good it will get traction if you shill it a bit.
>>739165260He had his charges dropped, partially because the long ass time he spent sitting in jail would be counted as time served so even if he was sentenced he wouldn't go to prison. Also he was clearly mentally ill, the daughter of a fed was the one who goaded him into doing things and then got him to confess it, and his mother stopped cooperating (+ wasn't all there anyway) so it would've been a mess to prosecute anyway.
>>739148881Start a youtube channel and do regular posts on random bits from your game. Either drveloper commentary, cool cutscenes. Anything. Doesnt matter what. Eventually a video will hit, and draw some attention. Then if the game is good it will snowball.
>>739143834shut the fuck up and do your own moderation and cataloguing workit is a storeit owes you nothing"oh nooo i dont want to see that" THEN FUCKING CUSTOMIZE IT YOU RETARDyour wishlists and likes and not interested already create the fucking alorithm for you, customized entirely to your tastesi am tired of you fucking RETARDS trying to get stores to not sell stuff because you're lazy and stupidno, eat shit. i want the store to sell me EVERYTHING, anything i want should be fucking availablegod i fucking despise you people
AI writing is superior to average human writing. AI coding is superior to average human coding. AI logic is vastly superior to average human logic. AI ideation is superior to average human ideation.Yes, top-end humans will remain better than AI, but AI is simply put vastly superior and more efficient at a significant amount of tasks, including creative ones, than the vast majority of humanity. The older you are the more you arrive at this conclusion.
>>739196040>video games I don't like being popular is the same thing as mass migration!You're a fucking clown. What an insane claim. Things have literally always been this way with media. Always. You are not living through a unique or special period. You are the exact same person as the millenial retard that sat here on /v/ 15 years ago lamenting the death of the industry because people loved AssCreed. And that faggot was no different than the Gen X retard that sat on IRC bitching about how much the plebs love Mario. And on and on it goes back to the beginning of man. Get over yourself.
>>739197104>I wish the company would curate my experience for me!Buy a console.
>>739197569The best usage of AI is in tandem with someone that already has a strong grasp of fundamentals. You need to understand exactly what can be outsourced to AI so that you can focus purely on the things that absolutely must be done personally by the human.
>>739197508No. They WILL cater to me or they WILL lose my business. There are other PC storefronts I can use
>>739198053Then go use them. Nobody is stopping you.
>>739198052that will be true for another year or two
>>739197508t.aijeet
>>73919772020 years ago a gaming consumer would have never accepted a flash game as the flagship title of his entire industry nor paid for it. The problem is the quality of the average consumer going into a nosedive. Which again informs developers of the types of games they should be making. If shit on a plate becomes the benchmark for a good game you'd have to be arguing in bad faith to make an equivalence for when it was gourmet meals.
>>739198052Yeah, I agree. Obviously AI can't do everything, but it sure as fuck can code massive amounts easily and quickly, and converse with low tier consumers. This is why the first mass-use of AI was support chatbots and mass-firing of code monkeys.
>>739198198It will be true for always. You are anthropomorphizing AI. If AI ever gains sentience, it will be a wholly different perspective and way of thinking from how we think. AI creativity will not be the same as human creativity, even though it will be trained on human creative outputs. This is because a sentient AI is interpreting what human beings see as creative output, not what this sentient machine sees as a creative output. When it comes to AI advancement towards AGI it is important to remember that AGI will by definition be inhuman. It would not think or feel in the same way as humans do and therefore will always need to work with humans to create things that appeal to humans. The future you're waiting for where you can just prompt an AI and it will make a full 10/10 game for you will never come. It is a pipe dream.
>>739196040mentally ill
>>739198571i bet you think the strongest chess players are still a combo of AI and human
Probably the worst part for when AI finally kills these indie scammers is that their version of history will be something about how gaming was at its peak and indies were producing masterpieces every week before the techbros ruined everything
>>739198053so use them, what's stopping you, why are you here whinging about it?the store caters to what i want, which is every possible game available in one place. that is what a digital store should be. i do not give a shit about what you do or don't want
>>73919845120 years ago gaming consumers couldn't stop cumming in their pants over Guitar Hero 2 because it let you play a glorified flash game with a guitar controller. Shut the fuck up, newfag.
>>739199031>shits on rhythm games>calls expedition 33 a masterpieceWoops
>>739199031>seventh genYeah, that's when the decline started. Indie games finished the job.
>>739198621>This machine will create emotions in humans that it cannot feel and only understand abstractly as text by using mathYou understand very little. Whatever point you want to make about chess has absolutely nothing to do with the topic or argument at hand. You should try thinking more.
>>739199271ah, i see, nvm, you don't actually know anything about how transformer models work or the history of 21st century AI development, you're just riffing from first principles. good luck with that
>>739199140I actually love Guitar Hero and rhythm games. But they are glorified flash games. I don't think of flash games as a slur though because there were some really fucking good flash games. if you think of flash games as a slur, it's because you're a pseudointellectual faggot that doesn't actually like video games, never got to play them during the golden age, and are generally just a bitter worthless pile of genetic refuse.
>>739199372>no argument>vague appeals to authority using jargonI accept your concession. Enjoy being the smartest person in your community college computer science class. I am sure your peers find you very impressive.
>>739199491which authority, precisely, did i appeal to?
>>739199391There were good flash games, but they were far from industry standards lol. Everyone knew they were random time wasters when you were at a PC, not real video games. At least Guitar Hero had a budget. Also I specifically said 20 years ago and not 19 years ago because it seems like everyone instantly became retarded in 2007, when the seventh gen first showed its true colors.
>>739199532Your own unearned authority. >See, I claimed you don't know jargon*>Therefore, that means I am an authority over you in this field>I will not explain how *jargon* actually strengthens my argument and weakens yours>But I will expect you to debunk my *jargon* to change the argument into something elseBecause you have no arguments. You just parrot what other people say with zero critical thinking or experience of your own.
>>739199602>game good when budgetjew slave
>>739199602Again, they are not industry standard. You are taking the success of STS2, calling it a flash game, and then making an enormous leap of logic to call it the new industry standard. This is not the case. You cannot prove that it is the case. All you are doing is vaguely appealing to the idea that every game is going to be like STS2 now. But indie games have been flooded with roguelike deckbuilders since STS1. Flash games evolved into indie games. Many indie games are indeed games that could have been flash games. Hollow Knight could have been made in Flash if Team Cherry really wanted to. Super Metroid could have been in Flash. Indie games have always been glorified Flash games. There is nothing wrong with that because Flash games were based and the idea that they were not real video games is something you could only say if you were too young to actually have experienced them. Flash games were not real video games? Yeah? Did they have win states and lose states? Were they fun? Shut the fuck up, you pretentious faggot.
>>739199973>"jargon" and it's just normal words
>>739200274You'd have to be blind to not see half the "good games" on Steam are mobile tier slot machines in part due to garbage like STS and a few other titles. The reason flash games as the apex of the industry is bad is because flash games used to be throwaway games compared to the real ones. Now we don't even have real ones. So flash games take the spot. Which is obviously bad and cucked. It's not too hard to understand.
>>739200506Vaguely referencing transformer models and AI development history is indeed attempting to use jargon to avoid the argument. You are still trying to change the argument to being about something else, because you know you can't refute my original argument. Because you don't actually understand shit, about shit. You are not even half as clever as you believe yourself to be.
>>739200591Also, I would say indie games owe more of its roots to the freeware scene than to the flash scene which weren't really the same thing.
>>739200759>"ai development history" is jargon
>>739144452No one's forcing anyone to dig through that stuff though, and most people don't do that.There's a search feature. and when people go to steam, 99% of them already know what they want, and they type it in to the search bar.
>>739200591This has been the case on Steam since at least 2012. Maybe longer but that was when I became aware of it. Again, nobody said flash games are the apex of the industry except for you. You are making enormous leaps in logic to justify being upset over a game you don't like being popular. Get over yourself.
>>739200927*Hell you can't even see that information on steam in the first place.That's from a third party website, probably steamDB.
>>739200959Prior to 2014 there was gatekeeping. And they are the apex of the industry, because everyone celebrates indie games as such. Simple.
