POV: You are a turt

yoshi's feet in my mouth

camera was abysmal dogshit and Fluddless levels were dogshit

>>739148563
Fludd killed skill expression. Fludd makes the game slow and methodical, which fukkin sucks for a Mario platformer.
It had potential, the actual movement in this game is great, but there's no reason to use any of it because Fludd is better

>>739148563
>as good as 64
So worse? Why are you complaining SMS was the peak of the 3d games.

I’m good at this game so I like it and think it is good. Don’t play the master collection one, that version sucks

>>739148563
It has some weird design choices like the final area opening up being tied to beating all Shadow Mario missions instead of your Shine total. Once you realize this, there’s no point in doing a lot of the content.

>>739148563
The level design is ass and there's hardly any of them. Every play through feels the same because of the endgame unlock conditions. It's the same problem as many GameCube games, which is that they rushed it.

I don't like how he controls and I don't like that it fundamentally changes Mario. With Luigi's Mansion at least it was a different genre of game.

>>739148987
>Fludd killed skill expression. Fludd makes the game slow and methodical, which fukkin sucks for a Mario platformer.
Replace Fludd for spin in mario galaxy, which is 3x slower than sunshine
>zoomers eat it up
???

>>739149421
Galaxy works for zoomers because the level variety keeps them distracted.
But it doesn't have the same traction as 64 among true autists either

>>739148563
Odyssey is better than both.

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Its unfinished, rushed trash like everything thing Nintendo put out on the Gamecube. Plus, it was directed by cuckzumi, and that movieloving moron will never make a good game.

It's much better than Mario 64 in terms of content.
Mario 64 is super limited. I played the game as a kid and I felt an extreme lack of ways to keep myself entertained with the game after I finished it the first time. Even the 'real state' you have to explore is limited. One of my favorite areas was that flooded city because it's one of the few things in the game that gives you any sense of being out of reach, since most of the other things are all super small and easily accessible.
Mario Sunshine, on the other hand, is much more attuned to the idea of creating a massive playground. Delfino Village alone plays a far better role than the castle. You have a ton of area to explore, secret locations, things to interact with, challenging spots to reach, etc.
The game's problem is that it needed to be much more polished. But it's not like Mario 64 was very polished either. The game is ugly, features programmer art in most of the levels, and is full of annoying bugs that ruin the experience, like that thing where Mario gets stuck in a loop where he falls and bounces back to the platform.

All 3D mario games are excellent

>>739148563
People who hate Super Mario Sunshine are genuinely retarded. Mario controls as tight as he ever has in this game, to the point where you can do spin jumps and sideflips on a dime. People who complain FLUDD slows down the game are just playing the game wrong. If you rely on FLUDD like a crutch then the only one slowing down the gameplay is the player. Mario moves lightning fast and by squirting water on the floor and diving into it, you can go at maximum speed to get from place to place in the game's levels. Each level is more vertically built which is suited to Mario's moveset. If you make a mistake and fall, you can use FLUDD to course correct but you can also use FLUDD in tandem with the superior spin jump to cross super long distance gaps. FLUDD only speeds the gameplay up as long as you aren't playing like a literal fucking retard. People also say it has a worse camera than 64 as if 64's camera isn't controlled with fixed directional inputs. Sunshine's analog camera is objectively better, and the silhouette system it works in tandem with so you can keep track of Mario's position behind objects is fantastic. Just say you're too fucking dumb to handle inverted camera controls. I would love to see you retards try to play a StarFox game. 64fags are just mad they didn't get a direct sequel on the 64DD and actually got something innovative instead.

>>739155071
>FLUDD only speeds the gameplay up
That's the problem.
The optimal plays are just using Fludd, which is slow.
Yes, it overall makes you accomplish things faster, but it's slow while you're using it, and there's almost no skill expression in it.

>>739148563
blue coins make 100% tedious as fuck and Fludd just isn't very interesting platforming or combat wise.

>>739156352
>Yes it makes you go faster but it's slower
What the fuck does this even mean, in practice it isn't slow at all, the water shoots out the moment you press R, and the hover carries your momentum. The squirt nozzle lets you spam spray giant bursts of water too that come out instantly. What could you possibly mean here?
"Skill expression" isn't even a real term, what corner of your ass did you pull that from? If you've ever watched a speedrun of Sunshine you'd actually know that the skill ceiling is incredibly high because of the freedom FLUDD gives the game's movement. I implore you to watch someone actually good at the game play it because if you had an ounce of self awareness then you'd immediately feel shame for playing the game the way you do (i.e. like a retard). There are advanced techniques you've probably never even heard of because you never bothered to experiment with the game's mechanics and use them properly before writing them off for being different than 64. You've got all the fucking brainpower of a cane toad.

It's a really good game but it's just not as good

>>739148563
Fludd was a crutch for people who are bad at games and then the entire overworld was built to accommodate it.

>>739148563
it was just a s good
2d fags just seethe

I think they designed the levels to look cool rather than to be fun to play or to synergize with mario's moveset to any degree
its like a skate park without any ramps

>>739148563
I think it's better than 64. Better level design, FLUDD is fun to control

>>739150337
what the hell is this webm demonstrating?

its better than 64. in fact, its the best mario game. and thats that on that periodt.

>>739148563
it's the greatest 3d mario game
64 is great and all but it shows its age
galaxy is a turd that doesnt even have dive jumps
odyssey moon collecting is tedious, and the worlds lack thematic cohesion

>>739148563
1. Fludd is stupid.
2. Rug-pull bullshit yoshi after he wasn't a powerup in 64 either.

>>739157117
The poster's retardation

>>739157629
Yoshi is available in every stage bar Noki Bay, he has the tongue and that can kill enemies instantly, he turns enemies into platforms eiyh the juice projectile, and has the flutter jump. Sunshine's Yoshi literally has one of the most robust movesets for Yoshi to date at that point, what the fuck are you talking about "rugpull" you fucking troglodyte??

Sunshine desperately needed some kind of unified vision because it's very clear the team was split on how they should even structure the game. It's like three conflicting design philosophies with little to no attempt to make them mesh with one another.

Most of the levels suck
Fludd makes platforming awkward and slow
Blue coins
The basic movement is great, probably the best of 3D Mario. The game proceeds to do nothing with this.
Weird focus on a story they don't commit to actually telling

>>739157117
Shit camera.

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>>739148563
SEVEN LEVELS

>>739148563
All the effort went to SSBM, the best game.

>>739158934
why is it shit? explain more clearly, what is bad about it?

>>739148563
it was clearly rushed, so despite the game being better than 64 it has obvious flaws that give people more to complain about (buggy physics in some parts, blue coin padding) so it averages out to being slightly worse than 64 as an overall experience.

best 3d mario and has the best feeling controls of a 3d platformer. the controls are so tight and precise feeling

people who hate this game are retards who can't comprehend how buffered input spin jumps work or complain about "da camera!!!". control the camera with the C stick retard. do you really need a cinematic camera pan to fuck up the gameplay flow like in nu-AAA slop?

sunshine has less interesting content despite having better controls. Theres alot of worthless copy paste missions and boss fights that just make the game feel so budgeted and rushed
you might not mind the shadow mario mission 7's but they just feel more and more lame each time I played sunshine, as if we got robbed of a real mission
and even though I have mastered this games jank, like the chuckster and pachinko levels, they are still an inexcusable kick in the balls for a first playthrough

>>739155071
flood would have been so much better if you could air burst using the hover nozzle. instead of making me slowly reach for a ledge grab, just let me risk it all with a psuedo double jump.
and yes, water sliding is under used by normies, but it makes me wonder why the turbo nozzle is even in the game.
>>739156559
>my mario game needs better combat
l lol'd

>>739159747
>makes me wonder why the turbo nozzle is even in the game.
you must not have played the game very long then because anywhere there is deep water you need to use the turbo nozzle to go fast instead of swimming

i judge games on the annoying or tedious bosses
mk64 has 2, but i never played sunshine

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What do you think my sealed copy of sms is worth?

I like Sunshine. The only real problems I have with it are:
-Reaching the Final Boss depends on clearing Act 7 of each level and nothing else, Shine count does not matter at all
-100%ing the game is ass due to Blue Coins

>>739148563
It did when i was 12. Kys

>>739148563
Way tougher worse controls.
Fludd is a downgrade to 64 controls.