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NO LONGER EPIC EXCLUSIVE
>https://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/CI-GAMES-S-E-Ujawnienie-opoznionej-informacji-poufnej-dotyczacej-zawarcia-Porozumienia-rozwiazujacego-Binding-Term-Sheet-z-Epic-Games-Inc-9135300.html

>The Management Board of Cl Games SE with its registered office in Warsaw (the “Company“) hereby announces that on April 14, 2026 the Company entered into a Separation Agreement (the "Agreement") with Epic Games, Inc. (“Epic”) that releases Company from its obligations as provided in the Binding Publishing Term Sheet concluded by the Company and Epic on June 14, 2024 (the "Term Sheet").
>The conclusion of the Agreement by the Company and Epic will not affect the ongoing cooperation between the parties in relation to the Unreal Engine, Epic online services, Epic account services, or the Company’s participation in the Fortnite ecosystem, and each of these relationships will continue and remain governed by their respective separate agreements.
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>>739153101
Epicbros...this can't be happening....WE CAN'T LET THOSE STEAMIE BITCH BASTERDS WIN!!!
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>>739153101
Too late. They betrayed Valve once, they'll never get my money.
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>>739153101
wait what? lotf2 wasnt gonna be on steam at first? why the fuck
lotf1 was on steam, why change? what benefit could they have seen in epic over steam?
does valve take a bigger piece of the pie compared to epic and thats why? super retarded idea, stay on the way bigger platform you debut'd your first game with that has so many of your playerbase
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>>739153101
I will now buy your game
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>>739153101
This is literally just malenia without the rotussy
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>>739154165
>lotf1 was on steam, why change?
epic giving them money. that's why they take deals like this. epic injecting them with cold hard cash they can spend now.
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>>739154520
so epic gave em cash to help get their game up on the deal of exclusivity and now theyre cutting the deal to possibily get back on steamm? Ive never used epic and dont care for it but thats kinda fucked
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Damn, no excuses now, buying.
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>>739154717
Lotf1(2) was on epic for a yes tor something before coming to steam. Same deal seemed to be in place for lotf2(3) but epic seems to have said it's okay to release on steam now, too
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>>739154516
You mean Melania if she wasn't a tranny.
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>>739153101
Based, will definitely buy it now
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>>739154857
oh I see, appreciate the explanation mate
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>>739153101
The names of these games are retarded. Why didn't they just call it something else. Looks good though. Unironically I may buy but need to wait to see just how much they learned from the first.
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>>739153101
YOU
WILL
NOT
FOOL
ME
AGAIN

I was all-in on the hype train for the last one, thought it'd be an amazing turnaround from the 2014 game and that it would be the true Dark Souls 4 we'd never gotten. I paid full price for it at launch and skipped Lies of P until much later because "durrr i only have room for ONE soulslike". nope. don't care how good it looks. i refuse to get on board for the hype train for this.
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>>739153101
game isn't even out yet why is there a thread for it?
a twitter screencap thread died for this, i hope you're happy
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>>739154857
im glad someone knows lotf1(2) was a sequel i played the original ages ago on playstation 3 and was still surprised to learn it wasn't a reboot instead of an actual sequel
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kino…?
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>>739153101
the kernel level anticheat is MUCH worse than the epic store
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>>739153101
Good to hear.
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>>739153101
>>739155453
This game is everything I want from video games. Please please PLEASE don't backpaddle on the aesthetics.

>>739155468
Sorry tranny, you're not going to turn anyone against this game.
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>>739155453
>mfw leglocking grip in trailer
muh, cant tell what shes even supposed to be doing anyway
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>>739155541
>Sorry tranny, you're not going to turn anyone against this game.
not that anon but I don't buy games from kikes
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>>739153101
Damn, I might actually buy it now.
As long as they don't do anything utterly retarded and subtlety try to censor themselves last minute.
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>>739153101
have you got the black battle-nun looking one? that ones pretty hot
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>>739155254
Are you stupid? I mean you are so it's a rhetorical question. Lords 2014 and lords 2023 don't share any developers. It's just retarded naming. But 2023 was fixed like 10000000 times so 2 probably is going to be dark souls 4
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>>739155629
Again, tranny. your psyops are not going to be effective.
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>>739153101
Why would Sweeny bankroll the game and then do this? Whats the catch? Im assuming EGS will have an early access period at least.
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>>739155736
I already told you I'm not that anon and not buying your goyslop. Get that through your ape skull.
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>>739153101
I will buy your game if:
>its on sale
>the general consensus says its not dog shit
>my favorite youtubers like it

I am your average consumer. Beg for my dollar.
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>>739155254
>bought at launch
thx 4 beta testing fag LOOOOL, I meanwhile, enjoyed a well running fully patched playthrough just recently
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>>739154857
Don't get that from epic's angle, but undoubtedly good for the lotf devs. Epic's store is just a graveyard where games usually get ignored
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>>739155986
It's so bad that sometimes the stigma even passes over to Steam releases like Square Enix's games.
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>>739155869
they made it like 10 times easier and visually uglier with the patches thoughbeit
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>>739157290
rather play it easy than play it bugged
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>>739155986
Epic is pretty reasonable to work with if your a developer or publisher so if they wanted out they just worked it out behind the scenes without a big fuss.
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>>739155762
Epic is hemorrhaging money. They said as much when they laid off all those people a few months ago.
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>>739157861
>Fortnite makes 4-6 billion a year
>apparently losing money
What does Tim Sweeney do, buy underage virgin girls and drugs?
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>>739158267
Spends cash on a bunch of shit that's losing cash
Plus I'm pretty sure Fortnite revenue has dipped below that for a few years now
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>>739153101
Is there a character creator? If there is and that is an armor set for female characters I will instantly buy the game.
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>>739157861
They are richer than Valve, the fuck?
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>>739153101
I fucken knew it.

Know I'm buy your game
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>>739158267
Do you really think epic is both giving free games away and exclusivity for free? Epic has to pay the publishers when they want to give away their game or when those publishers choose to be exclusive. No amount of fortnite money can keep that going forever.
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>>739154717
CI made a vague post around April indicating that they had an injection of money and that people should be excited to see what they did with it
my guess is that they used that money to buy themselves out of the exclusivity deal
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>>739158815
Even outside the store most of their other stuff isn't exactly massive money makers or are outright a drain on their finances
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>>739158885
That seems the most plausible explanation
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>>739153101
now they're just gonna be even further in the hole when this flops.
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>>739159073
>steam release
>soulslikes are trending
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>soulslike
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>>739159127
soulslikes are dead to normalfags, and this one is part of a series where both previous games have "Mixed" reception. It's DOA.
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>Soulslikes are a bloated genre full of copycats
>"I know! Let's make a gooner soulslike!"
Well, at least they have their niche in the rollslop genre now ...
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>>739159073
maybe, but they have a better shot at success by being on both platforms over being stuck on the one no one buys games on
and CI put in a lot of work to bring LotF2023 up to a pretty solid game from its rough start
I doubt it's going to sell gangbusters, but I hope it sees a decent outcome
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>>739159224
Please show excitement
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2638890/Onimusha_Way_of_the_Sword/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4115450/Phantom_Blade_Zero/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2001760/Beast_of_Reincarnation/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2584270/Mortal_Shell_II/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2828710/Valor_Mortis/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4317690/Crimson_Moon/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3744040/Kaidan/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1968940/Nazralath_The_Fallen_World/
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STEAMIES DID THIS
DO YOU NOT LIKE THE FREE GAMES SAAR?
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>>739158267
Sues apple
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>>739158267
>make the most popular game of a generation
>endless free money
>be greedy kike jew
>not enough, need more money
>try to use that massive funding to make even more money
>this fails
deserved and the vile kike will burn in hell
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So when Timmy pulls the plug on EGS, what happens to my game catalogue?
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>>739159518
Very rare to find a post like this where the anon doesn't sneak any kino in and it actually is all slop.
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>>739159518
>whoa this incredibly popular genre has multiple copycat entries help me niggerman
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>>739159518
>onimusha
Not dumb enough to be excited for it
>phantom blade
Zero interest in this.
>reincarnation
I'm confused, looks generic. Not hopeful
>shell 2
I'm interested
>valor mortis
Hopeful, Ghostrunner is the best game I've ever played but ghostrunner 2 made a lot of odd decisions.
>Crimson Moon
Hadn't heard of this one, looks like something I wont bother with
>kaiden
waiting until I see actual gameplay
>nazralath
looks cool, thanks for pointing that out
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>>739153101
but will it have Anglo-Saxon armor?
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>>739158446
Yes and yes.
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>>739159840
epic is set for life my nigga. it literally cannot collapse. if they do, they take every developer along with them, because everyone has been trained to only use unreal engine
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>>739160975
Anon EGS loses more in a year than Unreal Engine makes.
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>>739159518
Valor Mortis looks kino though. I'm not sure it compare with the others, being first personn.
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>>739153101
Jesus, sweeney can't catch a break. This was like the biggest exclusive they had coming.
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>>739158536
Those free games, exclusive deals, lawsuits and acquisitions cost a fuckload of money.
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least obvious marketing thread
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>>739163862
t. can't have a blast with this lightning in a bottle return to form
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I'm all for sex appeal but LOTF1 fucking sucked and I mean the 2nd LOTF1 so I don't have high hopes.
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>>739159518
>third person action games are now ALL SOULSLIKE
>EVEN THE FIRST PERSON ONES
>PLEASE CLAP
huh?
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>>739153101
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>739153101
>tfw you made an epic account and downloaded EGS for nothing
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>>739153101
I have dark fantasy fatigue
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>>739154165
Devs have used timed epic exclusivity as early access where Epic foots the bill before launching it again on steam with everything broken fixed.
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>>739153101
Now they just have to ship without malware (denuvo or kernel anti cheat) and I'll buy it.
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>>739153101
Thanks for the bad new, OP.
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why is reddit having an absolute meltdown over this game?
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>>739159518
The last 5 are going to be ass. Can't wait for another round of chink KINO though.
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>>739153101
What a shitty character design
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>>739153101
Day 01 just for headlines well played Marek-sama
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>>739169121
cope tranny
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>>739160975
Retarded-kun, EGS ≠ UE5, EGS makes them lose money and UE5 let them make money.
Lil Tim will pull the plug and go crawlling back to steam, they always do.
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>>739169258
yeah OP's character does look like a tranny now that I think about it.
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saar polandia is based and tradpilled we only white here our game based
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>>739153101
Hooray!
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>>739153101
that is some good news, I would have bought it on epic anyway, probably, can't skip the return of bikini armor to gaming, troons seething, homosexuals malding, white straight men celebrating.
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>>739153101
Isn't this the game that revealed some.. problematic female armor?
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>>739169357
>UE5 let them make money
According to the Apple lawsuit they make chump change with the engine.
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>>739159840
If you got it all for free, does it matter?
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>>739170151
And? I said that they make money, didn't say how much lol
AFAIK Fortnite was the only thing actually let them be on their feet, and now it's dying so it's a matter of time before they publish everything on steam.
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>>739153101
Legitimately was excited to read about this on reddit
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>>739159518
>no nioh 3
and dropped
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>>739170216
Sure. There are games on there I'd like to play or replay at some point, so it would suck to lose them.
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>developers literally take out a fucking loan and investor funding to run away from EGS

What the actual fuck went wrong with this store bros?
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>>739171010
A complete and total lack of trustworthiness.
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Is LoF 1 any good?
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>>739171010
They focused on appealing to devs instead of consumers. I don't give a shit if the the devs get a bigger cut on epic than on steam. What's in it for me?
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>>739171238
"it exists"/10
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>>739155453
these are the gaming ads from the early 00s. i love it. are we coming back bros?
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>>739171238
The very first one, released in 2014, is not very good at all. I can't recommend it.
LOTF 2023, I enjoyed it day one.
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>>739171470
I second this. The remake is good. Lots of verticality and looping back to the level design, very dark and grim world with some great art designs, mostly good combat and boss design. Just giving them a bigger budget could be enough to really create something special here, I'm optimistic, especially considering how open they've shown themselves to be to genuine criticism
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>>739159518
The worst part is that every single copycat forgets the 1 thing that makes Dark Souls, Dark Souls. The one thing that made it truly stand out. Invasions.
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>>739171707
And I now realize I used the word "design" three times in a row
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>>739171735
>PvP retard rears his ugly head and thinks the entire game revolves around him
A tale as old as time
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>>739171772
I didn't see anything wrong with the post. Don't beat yourself up if you're not changing up wording for flavor. Design is what it is.
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>>739153101
>lords of the fallen
HA
12 years, not a single good game
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>>739154865
Spelled it wrong shartynigger
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>>739171926
The last one was good. I look forward to this one not looking like Big Plate Man in ruptured hernia universe. I think the moon castle thingy is hopeful.
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>>739171707
Well, I don't expect something akin to Elder Ring, but liked games like Wuchang for instance. How does LoF 2023 compare?
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>>739171238
Not at all.
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>>739171735
nu pvp fags like you do it all wrong which is why it has severely died out over the years to the point every single souls games has a custom multiplayer mod to 100% avoid invasions now.

multiplayer died when giant seeds got nerfed in DS3
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>>739172110
Like Leenzee, Hexworks understands that it's the maps that are really important to a good soulslike. LOTF 2023 is close to the Fromsoft formula in how you build your characters, with simple distribution of points- as opposed to WFF's skill tree; I'd also say it's quite a bit easier overall than Wuchang on NG, but with more surprise ambushes near pitfalls.
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>>739172110
I'm a sucker for its insanely dark and gothic world and setting so I'm biased. It needs more weapon animation styles, more enemy variety and some other little things that are mostly just down to production value. The combat itself was fine, if slightly floaty but that got patched over time. The way it uses magic and ranged weapons is inspired. I've not played Wuchang so I can't compare to that though, sorry.
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Why the fuck would I spend any money on any other video games so close to GTA 6 release?
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>>739172552
Well not being a retarded nigger would be a good start
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>>739172582
Yes I know I am at a good start because it is retarded behavior to spend money on inferior products. That's exactly my point.
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>>739171010
It is baffling how hard timmy fucked up
And fortnite lost to pubg too
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>>739172640
>I can't wait to spend my money on California nigger shit
Go for it man, nobody stopping you. No clue why you're in this thread begging for attention though. Hope you feel satisfied now
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>>739172640
GTA has literally never been good. It's just wish fulfillment for dark skins and other low-class people. That's why you enjoy it so much.
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>>739172795
Yet every single FiveM RPer and every single most viewed GTA YT video is uploaded by white people who enjoy GTA
rly makes you think huh laddie
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>>739172795
>>739172773
>>739172582
what are you, indie devs making story games about your mental illness?? lmaooo you are barely even in the video game market you fucking clowns my fucking sides
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>>739172879
go back to facebook
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>>739172879
Based.
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>>739160747
Last game was more Catholic/Dark fantasy. I don't recall any armor like that off the top of my head.
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>>739172879
OK Rajesh. Whatever you say lol
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>>739171238
Played both: Lords '23 is a good, fully furnished souls game with all the expected trimmings and a few nuances of its own. I really like it, gonna do an NG+ run the second they confirm 2's steam release.
Lords '14 is...Lords '14, its a sincere but middling first step into the genre.
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>>739172640
>can't read
checks out
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>>739171238
lol
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>>739171735
>retards now consider Onimusha to be a Souls clone
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Mortal Shell 2
Lords of the Fallen 2
All we need now is Bleak Faith 2 and I'll be a fed and fancy soulsfag
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>>739155453
Seems like she's either the Lightreaper or Judge Cleric of LotF2 (3).
It would be funny if she's somehow more like Pieta, but I doubt that even though she rapes you midfight.
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>>739173357
are they making a sequel to Bleak Faith?
It was okay, but it definitely could have been better
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>>739153101
So now that EPIC is out of the way I still expect you faggots to boycott this chud game that only appeals to gooners. I mean you guys weren’t just riding a hate wave because the game wasn’t playable on your steamy r-r-right?
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>>739173493
They teased dlc at the start of the year, but a sequel is a longshot.
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>>739173493
It seemed relatively cheap to make, but the initial launch for Bleak Faith had some awful PR.
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>>739173498
I would say that I was gonna buy it anyway either way
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>>739173498
I genuinely don't even know what you are talking about.
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Did any of you guys play LotF's hard mode? What did you think of the new final boss?
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>>739171010
>Timmy gives some funding
>their game sells 100 copies and they go bankrupt the following year
Epic deals are only worth it when it's a majority of your funding + 200% of your expected revenue, like Phoenix Point. And once you take it, you may lose the PC playerbase for years.
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>>739153101
The armor looks nice as a concept art, but I'll believe it when I see it. Female models in LoF1 were buttfuckingly ugly, so I am not expecting much here.
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>>739172879
bodied those freaks
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>>739173861
So that's why Phoenix Point looks as expensive as it does.
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>>739173498
Who are you talking to?
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>>739173306
>unc will looks at the listed games and not think their all soulslikes
lmao imagine my mfw
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>>739173960
They said that they can refund all their kickstarter money, use their new budget and not sell anything and they would still be in the green. But this was when Tim was throwing around big money.
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>>739153101
>first game mediocre and basically piss easy until it suddenly becomes bullshit unfair with no consistency
>took multiple years just to break even
>they literally announce the sequel before the first game made back it's budget
>see trailer for sequel
>oh hey maybe it will be better this time they had the groundwork mostly down I gu-...
>already sniff out that it's EGS exclusive before even actually looking it up
>it is EGS exclusive
>predictable backlash
>actual retard storms onto stage to face the backlash
>WE GOT THE NUMBERS THAT SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STORE IT'S ON may we see them?
>THE FUCKING GOYIM WILL SWITCH TO EPIC TO PLAY THE GAME THEY WANT not your painfully mediocre slop lol
>bro it took you over 2 years to make your money back from the first game when it was on Steam, it's going to fucking die on EGS
>doesn't help the first game was hyped up before launch and then got brutalized when it launched from all the fundamental problems
We'll see. It's probably not going to be worth whatever the default AAA price is these days anyways.

>see material they are pushing on social media
>they are actually fishing for the "gooner" crowd
I just want to kill shit. I liked the "OW THE EDGE" aesthetic of the last game up to a certain point but the cosplay armor is cringe. Just do boob armor and/or more obvious female shapes.
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>>739153101
>The slop is no longer exclusive to the slop store
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>>739174243
I like fanservice but whatever this game is doing is not appealing to me
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>>739174249
but enough about fromsoft games
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>>739153101
Okay, I'm still waiting for a an actual gameplay video so that I can see if they've actually improved on the janky combat and dumb gimmick. From the alpha stuff they released it looks like movement isn't as floaty but what really fucks with the gameplay is the stupid fucking lantern gimmick, the complete lack of poise and lack of hyperarmor, not to mention the extremely floaty combat animations, extremely janky platforming and poor level design.

If they fix that then the game might actually go from a 6/10 to an 8/10 with the new armor and character design, the story is probably still going to suck ass and be more intrusive than the ones in FROMs games so I'm not holding out any hope for that.

Them not capitulating to Timmy actually does make me a little interested in the game again, but they'll have to stick the landing still.
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Are they really that bad?
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>>739155254
2023 is objectively better than 2014 in every way. The problem is that compared to its contemporaries it’s mediocre. But Lords2 looks like a legitimate step up in ways that 2023 should have been to 2014.
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>>739174432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-48VgIw9l0
No UI or anything
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>>739174356
I just hope they have a ton of good stuff going on and they are just waving the like, "adult halloween costume" stuff around for attention
>pic
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>>739174470
They are actually quite pretty, I just don't them looking like that in-game. Unless CI has finally learned how to create pretty female 3D models.
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The funniest part of the EGS is that the Satisfactory dev kept shilling it failed to turn a profit on it, the Steam release saved him from making a loss.
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>>739174470
Just kinda generic, like eastern MMOs or mobile game ads. The whole issue of the new LOTF games is a lack of identity, the Umbral shit is all they have and its visually awful to constantly look at
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>>739174470
I like the second one. The last one is utterly uninspired trash. The slut valkyries need full helms to be attractive with that much skin showing.
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>>739174536
That doesn't really show anything other than that a handful of attack animations aren't god awful, they've added blocked based parrying and they have copy-pasted a LOT of stuff from the first game. Doesn't look that promising at the moment IMO but they still have time. As long as the level design and enemy AI is better then that alone could push it from a 6/10 to a 7/10
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>>739174709
Block based parrying was in the previous game, unless you mean something else.
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>>739174536
I mean they got more animations thankfully but something about it looks even more floaty and weightless then the first game? Like they've cranked the knockback up to compensate for still having extremely floaty lunging in every attack.

>>739174709
>they've added blocked based parrying
That was a thing in the previous game actually. It flashed blue when you did it but they changed the feedback it would seem for the sequel. Maybe this time you can actually do it in coop because they cranked enemy posture so high in the previous game's coop it functionally disabled parrying and backstabs as a mechanic!
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>>739173194
Post steam play time or fuck off
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>>739174849
The animations look fine to me, but I never really understood most "floaty" complaints when it comes to games. I remember thinking that the animations for the Demon's Souls remake look awful, but no one else ever complained about them.
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2023 is actually on my backlog, I got it on big discount, should play it. How badly do you need to minmax a charaxter?
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>>739174997
Floaty is how things move and react. In the first game you slip'n'slide all over until you are already as physically close to the enemy as hitboxes allow.
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>>739175131
Not badly at all.
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>>739153101
I remember seeing some gameplay that looked fast as fuck like Elden Ring or something, half the reason (other half being excellent world design akin to DaS1 except better in some ways and worse in others) LOTF2023 was great was the slower pace of combat that Fromshit has abandoned after DaS2. Not great. Will pirate on release for sure though, Timmy still funded the development so whatever
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>>739175131
Not at all. Game is pretty easy
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>>739175131
Minmaxing on a first run isn't necessary; just keep your favourite weapon at as high a level you can afford and you'll probably do fine.
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>>739175131
The game is extremely easy, frankly, and the only truly challenging bosses are a shitty gank boss 75% of the way through the game (though it's programmed so one is less aggressive while the other is engaged) and Dickreaper since he is spammy and annoyingly simple moveset means he'll use his gayest moves very often.
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>>739175317
>backflips 8 times in a row
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>>739173887
Marek already showed what a woman’s face can look like in Lords2
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>>739175514
She's kinda vaguely jewish looking. Very post-op jew.
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>>739175667
What?
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>>739175994
What do you mean "What?" I said what I said.
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>>739176095
What?
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>>739176116
he said "I'm a disgusting tranny and I am seething with anger and jealousy", can you not read or something?
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>>739176116
?tahW

>>739176202
YWNBAW
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didn't this shit already released a few years ago?
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Have they confirmed jiggle physics? I'm not playing games on the realism-powered engine if they do not have jiggle physics
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>>739176272
We have
>Lords of the Fallen
>Lords of the Fallen (2)
>Lords of the Fallen 2 (3)
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>>739174470
The one on the far right looks like low lvl murlock armor, too many things which clash with each other. The headpiece looks really weird.
The rest are fairly safe designs as far as bikini armors go, they're not in your face erotic or obscene, you could see women irl wear them at conventions without any issues. The fact that there was a huge fiasco around these designs shows of rotten and putrefied the brains of the crying committee are. There's more erotic designs in the 2004 world of warcraft bikini armors they have. Of course the usual korean game blows these out of the water but korean games usually aren't that good on gameplay.

I'd be interested to see how the designs looked before that female youtuber got involved. She did say she slimmed them down a bit but i wonder what that means exactly, because i'm pretty sure a bunch of dudes wouldn't have shoved in obese women, those dudes working on the game don't look like homosexuals. If it means making their breasts smaller, than we'd have an issue. Everyone says this is great and it's wonderful that they collaborated with that youtuber but it's still a woman telling you what you should find attractive. If some dude would claim he knows what women should find attractive, he'd get laughed out of the room for being a creepy incel.

Still, these types of designs are incomparable with most stuff you see in western games. They don't look like whores twerking and they don't look like they're spreading their legs when you're not looking, there's some sort of class about how much is revealed. My guess is that the female youtuber remembered picrel and remembered that men like to see more of women's bodies because they're not women, and that's commendable on many levels. If you were put in charge of creating media for women, you wouldn't shove in skinnyfat weak and dweeby looking men, you'd put in a Henry Cavil or Aquaman type male characters because that's what women like.
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>>739176410
I'm assuming that they had the "Female Souls PC" issue of having a guy as a base, so the proportions were off.
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>>739176352
thats fucking retarded
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>>739176410
That's a retarded image, women love make up. Men are the whole reason the "make up that doesn't look like you're wearing make up" style exists. Women also like looking at sluts, so it's not like the slutwear is exclusive.
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>>739174470
these would've been normal sexo armor in fantasy games 15 years ago
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i liked the last lotf game but it was so fucking buggy, i am not gonna be QA again and just wait a year for the new game so its properly patched
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>>739158536
the problem with making stupid money for a decade is that some point, you actually trick yourself into thinking the money will never stop flowing
so if you get used to say $500 million a year of essentially free money coming in, and then it drops to say $300 million, it can really fuck up your financials when you planned everything around that extra $200 million
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>>739176474
the 2014 game is a pretty diiferent beast
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>>739176472
Oh i see that makes sense. They should also work with a totally different animation base for the female characters. That's one of the things that gets missed frequenty in western games. Female characters walk, gesticulate, attack, run and crawl like male characters, probably for saving budget or out of indifference.
50% or more of a woman's appeal is how her body moves because through body movement she communicates how valuable she is. That's why they wear heels, tight fitting clothing which doesn't allow her to defend herself, the message being "other people around me will protect me because i'm that valuable". It's the same thing with how much money is spent on their nails for example, because it also communicates that they don't do manual labor. A lot can be transmitted through how a woman looks but most of it is how she moves around. So for example always holding her legs together no matter what transmits that she isn't a whore.

>>739176608
>women love make up. Men are the whole reason the "make up that doesn't look like you're wearing make up" style exists
Makeup is used to hire ageing or to simulate sexual arousal (red lips, flushed cheeks) because men pick up on that subconsciously and think the woman is aroused because of them, so they change behaviors around that woman. Most makeup is used today only to improve how the woman's face looks in pictures, and that's probably done for themselves but it doesn't work on men as much because if i see a different shade on your face compared to your neck and hands, we have a big red flag which means you're hiding your reproductive health from me, meaning you're not confident in showing me how capable you are to bring a pregnancy to term, in which came i'm gonna vanish.
That's why "makeup that doesn't look like makeup" exists, because you still wanna fool men into thinking you're more valuable than you really are.
p.s. that's a great pic
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>>739176410
But all the women dress their character like middle in MMOs
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Can I pick Hallowed Knight and go Radiance+Strength?
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>>739176410
Designing female characters to appeal to women in media that isn't explicitly aimed at women is inherently woke.
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>>739153101
I guess they got scared
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>>739153101
NO LONGER NORTUBEL TIER
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>>739177325
>Designing female characters to appeal to women in media that isn't explicitly aimed at women is inherently woke.
I'd have to agree in principle. In this case however, can there be found a way to rationalize how those designs aren't woke? We'd have to know how much pushback the female youtube received on her suggestions to directly quantify the amount of "woke". Overall it's a step in the right direction as designs like that have all but vanished from western games in recent years, so anything you get is good enough, for now.
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>>739171010
EGS is a marketing black hole. I don't blame them for doing such a thing.
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>>739153101
Did the devs finally grow a brain?
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>>739153101
This looks ai generated
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>>739177579
You look AI generated
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>another melenia ripoff
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>>739177113
Women aren't stupid. They know what men like. That's why they're so good at destroying it in video games. Some exceptions exist, as always.
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>>739177640
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>>739154865
Holy shit
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TEE BE ACHE, I'm probably not going to play a female character anyway. Hopefully there are some hot NPCs/enemies.
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>>739177616
Wait do I?
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>>739153101
The cinematic trailer seemed very boring. Most basic edgy gore you could conjure
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>>739177640
Malenia looks like any one of a thousand fantasy book covers by Boris Vallejo except with disgusting tranny shoulders. Fuck off cunt
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>>739153101
Kek what a bitch
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>>739153101
lotf1 was kind of boring but thats because im tapped out of souls and soulslike
hopefully i get my interest by the time this releases
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Regardless of where you can buy this game, you just know it's gonna be a piece of shit either way. No soulslike has ever been worth playing to this day. Not even Lies of Piss (although at the very least it was a bit more original in its setting)
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>Souls like
>Polish
>Obviously ai generated
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>Anything that looks vaguely valkyrie inspired is going to have moutbreathers mumble "malenia" for the next decade
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>>739153101
I just wish this genre was more rpg than action
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>>739178216
check out king's field and its clones
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>>739177095
> Oh i see that makes sense. They should also work with a totally different animation base for the female characters. That's one of the things that gets missed frequenty in western games. Female characters walk, gesticulate, attack, run and crawl like male characters, probably for saving budget or out of indifference.
Ryan Hill confirmed on Twitter that women will have a feminine walk cycle. They actually are going that far.
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>>739178345
That's a great choice on their part, good to know. Not looking for Bayonetta tier catwalking but some hip sway should be good.
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Why did she do this
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>More feminist bosses voiced by American californians and DEI forced africans

Not interested.
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fucking brilliant move.
ill buy as long as this isnt dog shit.

Sweeney has small nuts.
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>>739158446
Lords 1 sole redeeming quality is that the women are all quite fuckable.
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>>739178497
western studios just cant help themselves,now they are so desperate they are parading around safe horny trash
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>>739177826
Still the coolest armor set in any Souls-like.
Is there anything like it in real life?
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Nice, I will be buying now
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>Fortnite is dying
>Timmy is broke
>EGS is a flop
>Meanwhile Gaben does literally nothing and wins
KWAB
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>>739171238
Its interesting, but its also made by a studio who ended up deciding to not implement anything in a fun way.
There is a shield crash mechanic, and its not just bolted to the parry system. There is even a boss which can be cheesed by the shield crash mechanic, and fuck all else.

You also get new loot for clearing bosses a certain way, often boss weapons. But its in a game where the combat is fundamentally a shit
And the map is fucking tiny, with no interesting circling.

2023 is a lot better.
But it suffers badly from ice skating, fucked weapon balance, ranged enemies with infinite aggro, infinite reskins of the same weapons, also the lantern mechanic getting tone down a little more each area.
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Oh shit, I was going to start as Lightnigga, but apparently I can start as Darknigga too. Hallowed Knight or Dark Crusader?
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>>739178717
A black surcoat over black plate with a vented great helm and a hooded cloak fixed in place by a crown of thorns. All the elements exist in reality, but nobody ever wore an ensemble like that- to my knowledge.
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>>739153101
there's a second one? what?
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>>739179197
dark crusader is easy mode character iirc
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>>739179229
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>>739179231
Ah, I'll save that for a 2nd playthrough then, Lightnigga first.
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>>739153101
i will now wait for a discount and buy your game
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>>739177521
They were hammered on social media since it was announced telling them things like that and it's been the only thing people talk about the game for since the reboot-sequel was so mid nobody cares beyond mentioning that in response to it bring brought up. Probably worsened as they started their twitter shilling.
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>>739175169
>LOTF2023 was great was the slower pace of combat that Fromshit has abandoned after DaS2
It didn't lean into any of the strengths of slower combat. It just had longer attack animations with less recovery and that was it. No careful spacing is allowed because every attack scoots you around and enemies just lunge constantly anyway, and good luck spacing anything as a result. It just played like ER or DS3 but at 0.9x speed and with much slipperier movement and attack animations. I wanted to like it, I really did.
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>>739178497
What even is a "feminist" boss, and which ones are in LotF? Pieta? Judge Cleric? That /ss/ bitch in the depths?
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>>739178345
Ok but who cares? Make the game better instead of shining the turd.
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>>739179943
Both Judge Cleric and Pieta are based on St. Joan of Arc, so it would be really silly to consider them feminist characters.
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>>739179889
Dex is for fags so I only ever played with heavy weapons as far as melee was concerned and the pace of combat was perfect for that, I know the slippery combat with quicker weapons has been adjusted multiple times but no idea what it's like in it's current state
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>>739153101
Not bad but could be better.
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>>739153101
Guys I played the 2023 game on Ps+ and the environments and basic enemies were so boring despite the bosses being alright.
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>>739174470
Game where such sluts fight each other and whoever loses has to sexually service the winner where?
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>>739180064
She has a very mannish face
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>>739172552
>Why the fuck would I spend any money on any other video games
because it´s literally the only winner move.
Buying GTA6 is supporting cancer.
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>>739180201
>Dex is for fags so I only ever played with heavy weapons
I did too and that's where the worst of it was. I distinctly remember having to start my colossal sword equivalent's running attack from fucking miles away to get it to hit the fucking fire dog dudes in that valley area because you gain so much extra movement from your attacks. It felt like shit trying to space attacks to punish because, again, enemies lunge like crazy constantly and my own attacks slide me right into their face anyway.
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>>739180201
quality is the philosopher's choice
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>>739180354
I last played the game maybe 6 months ago, what about you
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Maybe this time tgere will be dex weapons that arent fucking trash. So little damage and so few weapons it felt like with enemies that just feel like they're poisetanking you. Tried to get into her >>739180064 dex/faith boss weapon because it was a rare weapon that didnt have the problems of others... and then realized I could just respec into STR/faith and absolutely fucking demolish with Bloody Glory because
>gigantic sword
>gigantic damage
>gigantic bleed
>who balanced this lmao
I usually like spears in these types of games but lords is balanced around so much lunging that spears, having almsot no forward movement, are torturous to play.
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>>739180450
Judge Cleric's weapons are good for doing a large amount of holy damage, but it is a bit silly how little forward momentum you have.
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Oh nonononono but I thought it was literally impossible?
>>738314040
>>738314409
>>738315514
>>738315892
Lower your tone to talk to me, faggot. End your life in shame.
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>>739180445
Given that when I played it was touted as "good now", I'm not falling for it twice.
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>>739180623
Fair enough, I don't know when the updates happened
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>>739180450
I don't know about before 2.0 but I played the whole game with frostbite claws which I think were DEX and they're strong as FUCK. Each claw does damage independently too, so the two handed R2 that is a thrut attack with both hands does double the damage reported on screen, it's insane.
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The devs probably saw the wishlists and engagement they had on Epic and had alarn bells ringing
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>>739180331
Well look at German woman
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>>739155869
I bought then waited foe it to be fixed, i had to get theough cyberpunk that year
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>>739180623
The "good now" trailer came out in April 2025, seems like you just missed the biggest update. No idea how much of a difference it really makes since I didn't play it before then, maybe people exaggerate, but yeah.
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>>739160747
No, too old for the era
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>>739180715
That is probably the case, considering the game is always buzzing on social media because of the CEO talking shit, they probably noticed they get several times more twitter likes than wishlists, even though both are free.
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>>739180767
I want to say that forward movement has been drastically reduced, but I don't remember much about what it was like before
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>>739171926
Nta but thr remake is Objectively a better game than dark souls 1
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>>739157290
Playing the game with enemy density increase mutator is literally, not figuratively, literally the same as launch version as far as enemies are concerned. I know some people have autism about options like that but that's a (You) problem
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>>739177640
Rip offs dont exist
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>>739180596
oh shi.....
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>>739180715
Epic chink launcher has wishlists already? they grow up so fast!
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>>739180857
>increased enemy density
>randomized loot
>pre upgraded loot
Yep its gamin time
(This was unironically my firat run)
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>>739180767
I checked the version history and yeah, The 2.0 update came out a couple of weeks after I put it down. But the whole reason I decided to play it was because they had supposedly improved the combat, and it was still pretty wack if you ask me. Maybe they improved it, but something tells me they didn't rework all the momentum the player and enemies have while attacking.
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>>739180946
Do you need a cheat code or dev menu to use them on your first run or was I just blind? I only noticed the modifiers on my second playthrough and assumed it was an unlock for beating it.
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>>739181001
99% sure they are all available when you first launch the game
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>>739181001
I think they updated it so that you can use modifiers from the get go.
>>739180946
>Randomized loot
>Randomized enemies
>Iron Man
It's like a rogue-like
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I don't mind the enemy count nerf because while I do think the game was a bit on the easy side, the only part where this was actually a problem to me was boss fights, bosses were TOO easy, I only died more than once in two bosses on my first playthrough of Bloodborne but the battles felt exciting, even the first try bosses felt like a battle to the end, in Lords of the Fallen it felt like playing NG+ Nioh, I didn't even care about their movesets.
So the higher enemy count modifier wouldn't really make a difference to the only part where the game actually suffered for being too easy. Levels are great as is.
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>>739181051
I think yoy need to ng+ for the randomizers.
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>>739181135
some people may not like it or even accept it but lotf2023 is more like des/das1 where the difficulty comes from exploration while many boss fights are simply gimmicks, you definitely missed out not using the enemy density increase
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>>739181214
>while many boss fights are simply gimmicks
Those I did like, but too many bosses are just skill checks that forget to check your skill. I love Demon's Souls, if the game actually leaned on that I would have no problem. The early-souls style level design is the main reason why I loved LOTF2023.
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Can you actually parry? I did the tutorial boss guy and it seems like it's better to just dodge. Started with a 2H sword, do you need a shield?
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>>739181742
You can deflect with a timed block, it's pretty strong. But it's not overwhelmingly strong like in Sekiro, you do want to dodge often too.
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>>739180331
What a dumb opinion
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>>739181828
classic eastern euro-hag face.
would guess named Bożena
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>>739181935
Im an American and Ill take your ugly women if they look like this
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>>739181986
No matter what kind of women you post there will ALWAYS be an anon that goes "tranny" or cries about how her elbows are too pointy. It's dumb ritualposting at this point and best to just ignore.
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>>739181935
Post a woman you find attractive
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>>739182124
Especially when he pbly thinks melania looks better with "her" quarterback upper body
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>>739162797
>First person melee combat
It's gonna be shit, dumbass
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>>739155541
>Please please PLEASE don't backpaddle on the aesthetics.
Reddit trannies are already crying about it, so don't hold your breath.
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>>739182390
I've seen that most of the armors they have ingame aren't similar to those 5 they've shown recently. So whoever doesn't want to see those can opt for different looking armors.
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>>739153101
I will masturbate to this video game character.
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>>739182601
You don't seem to understand. That's not an option for these people. It's not enough that they don't have to wear it. You can't have skimpy armor.
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>>739182390
The devs HATE Redditors now, from what I've heard.
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>>739182718
>It's not enough that they don't have to wear it. >You can't have skimpy armor.
Ah, the "no fun allowed" cretins, fuck them.
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>>739181828
I noticed that whenever someone posts a normal white woman it instantly gets dogpiled by people going
>ewww square jaw
>ewww manface

but all you really have to do is look at the women they're used to seeing to understand. The average south asian woman has an extremely tiny face like a child
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>>739164446
It says soulslike right there
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>>739182801
redditors dont exist anymor -- its bots peddling corporate/political talking-points.
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I can already taste the tears
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>>739182601
That first one looks so dope
I might actually play as a woman for once.
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>>739183145
based tranny, rock on!
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>>739183174
Don't project your agp onto me freak
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Apparently this one will have transmog so hopefully armor has a much bigger gameplay impact in return.
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>>739183237
accelerated graphics port?
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>>739182894
i just default assume those people are brown, and not the kind of brown living in berlin but the kind slumming in italy or detroit
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>>739174515
where is this from?
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>>739174470
>Second from the left is just a disciple of khaine from WAR
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>>739183425
transmog < troonsmogged
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>>739183694
Grim dawn expansion that was supposed to release early this year
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Can you make an attractive female character in LOTF1 or should I just wait for the sequel?
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2H weapon or 1H weapon+shield for a Strength/Radiance build?
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>>739153101
>epic exclusive

it's like they wanna flop
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>>739177826
This. The male armors in the game were peak, no reason to play dressup sluts.
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>>739179197
Dark Crusader is a starter class that's supposed to be locked behind finishing the game but the deluxe edition unlocks it from the getgo. It's somewhat stronger than the base classes
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If they fixed the level design so i'm not running around in circles looking for the one ladder on the side of a cliff that you can only see from certain angles with your edgy vision as the only way to progress, i'll buy it day 1.
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>>739184161
hammer and shield
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>>739184548
level/world design is the best part about the previous game, please ponder the life choices that led you to this point
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I actually fucking loved playing through 2023. I haven't had the feeling of exploring a world and getting lost in it in ages.
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>>739183940
>>739183940
>early this year
is see, so next year+1 it is
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>>739185179
Yup
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>>739184091
Not really, if that's what you want just wait on 2.
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>>739184091
>Can you make an attractive female character in LOTF1
Not really. The original release fell for the woke meme. All the females looked like haggard muttoid ogres.
The devs have since done what they could through patches but some things were just baked into its core that they couldnt change.
IIRC there is at least 1 face that is passable.
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>>739177826
can you get that armor if you don't pick his class? I played for maybe 1 hour btw
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>>739153101
the first game is way too easy and the final boss is a joke
shant be playing this one
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>>739185913
I think that's an exaggeration. Check the Forza Horizon 6 character creation to see what "intentionally ugly CC" looks like, LOTF's is just not that good.
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>>739186756
Female PCs were significantly uglier on release, they somewhat improved things in the 2.0 update
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>>739153101
>no longer epic exclusive
>no longer gay
Hmmm
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>>739153101
These guys will do anything to grift a sale, huh....
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>>739169091
it's not woke
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>>739186679
>first game
Which one? The shitty one from 2014 or the shitty one from 2023
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>>739186937
Nobody expects you to pay for it Rajesh, don't worry
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>>739186756
better view of the face
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>>739186595
Yes. It's a quest reward as far as I recall- and it's a very straightforward quest, not like some of the others in that game.
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Windows store too?
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HOL UP
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>>739159518
>onimusha first link

not even gonna look at the rest, kill yourself
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>>739187804
Who the fuck uses windows store?
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>>739188136
Xbros (if such a concept still exists) dabbling on PC?
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>>739169091
The devs rejected the cult of woke so Reddit went full Scientologist mode.
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>>739188005
>literal definition of a soulslike
>but with added yellow paint
>even tagged as a soulslike
>NOO SARRR IS NOT SOULSLIKE DO NOT REDEEM
kek jeet thinks hes smarter than the majority of people
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>>739153101
Wasnt the first one bad? Why are people hyping this?
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>>739188262
Yep. Xbox play anywhere is good shit.
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>>739188735
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>>739169091
They changed Body A/B to male/female in the reboot.
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I was somewhat interested in playing the reboot of 1 but then I saw it's one of those obnoxiously obtuse ones where you'll miss a shit ton of stuff if you aren't literally playing with a guide open and there's also multiplayer achievements so the game just seems like a chore.
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>>739192984
did you also need a guide to not miss stuff in das1?
i weep for the zoomers
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>>739193053
No because DS1 is intuitive
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>>739192984
you're a retard btw
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>>739193075
lmfao why are zoomers so fucked in the head :DD
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>>739193170
>thinks DS1 is unintuitive
>calls others zoomers
Projection is off the charts. Guess you and>>739193106 are the only retards here
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>>739193216
bro zoomers need a fucking guide to play video games :DD
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>>739193328
You just said you needed a guide for DS1
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>>739158536
trying to appease shareholders makes you retarded
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>>739193328
>be in wuchang generals on /v/
>every fucking screenshot has button guides
>nobody bothered to disable them because they will genuinely forget which buttons to press if not for the always-on indicators
you uncs are the same.
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>>739193353
do you also need help with reading comprehension :DD bro did NOT just say he needs a guide to find his way around in LOTF2023 zoomers are so fucked up
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>>739193447
I didn't need a guide for DS1(only a retard like you would). YOU disagreed with that post which means YOU are implying you needed a guide. Damn I guess you're the one who also needs to work on their reading comprehension, this is pathetic kiddo. Try harder.
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art design was really good and it was a competent soulslike

"friends pass" and seamless coop was a great idea also
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>>739193519
lmfao what on earth is this schizophrenic meltdown :DD bro is seething so hard after accidentally revealing he needs GUIDES to play video games, it literally is over for zoomers, that cortisol spike is legendary
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>>739193656
lmao the damage control, you lost.
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>>739193697
its fucking over for you and your guides bro :DD
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Speaking of LOTF2023, did they ever fix how god awful the NG+ balance was? I started NG+ but it was dog shit so I just started a new playthrough instead.
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>>739193787
i did NG+ with all modifiers on and it wasn't bad at all, so i think so?
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>>739193894
I just hated that everything was an absolute damage sponge that took 2 hours to kill.
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I didn’t like the artstyle for some reason but I liked dark souls artstyle. Idk why. The movement felt slidey also, but the weapons were fun. Also fuck the boss with the infinitely spawning dogs lol, made me chuckle. Also definitely the harder than any fromsoft game
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>>739193994
get a competent build, I just went balanced stats with wither magic and it wasn't too bad at all
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>>739194128
Brother I had about as minmaxed a build as humanly possible, you are aware of softcaps right? It's not a build issue, the game was just designed that way. How long ago did you play NG+ cause I played it on release and pretty much everyone agreed the HP was excessive.
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>>739194213
i got my all-modifier achievement about six months ago
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>>739194264
>6 months ago
Yeah that's what I thought. I actually looked it up and they nerfect the shit out of NG+ in patches a year ago so I'll probably give it ago now it's actually properly balanced, if you want to see what I mean play the game with the 1.0 and notice the difference.
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>>739184548
But that's the best part about LotF
The game also has a bunch of environmental details to point out if something is in Umbral
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>>739186679
The new final boss is significantly better/harder, evenbif the backdrop is still Adyr monologuing the entire time.
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can someone spoonfeed me the controversy surrounding this game? normally I’d google it but it’s funnier to get my information from schizoid posters here
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>>739195646
Local dev decides to pander to gamers, gaming journalists most pissed off
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>>739153101
oh wow a golden sexy valkyrie with a winged helmet and long flowing hair, wielding a sword, I can't quite remember who this reminds me of
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>>739195646
>the controversy surrounding this game
The devs can unironically answer how they would have felt if they hadn't had breakfast the previous morning and can also offer a dictionary definition of what a "woman" is. Also there's optional bikini like armors in the game now. That's mostly it.
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>>739195646
a while ago, dev asked on twitter if gamers wanted "type A/type B" or "male/female" in a poll and followed the result

recently, devs are going with "sexualized" armor designs in lotf2 because that's what dark fantasy is about

that's pretty much it, both of these sent gaming journos into a frenzy
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>>739195646
They asked fans what they wanted, they received answers, they implemented those answers. That's it.
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>>739196252
90% of fantasy video games?
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>>739178195
Man you really weren't kidding >>739196252
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>>739196252
See>>739177673
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>>739192984
>obnoxiously obtuse ones where you'll miss a shit ton of stuff if you aren't literally playing with a guide open
It's even worse than you think
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>>739153101
nice
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>>739192984
>there's also multiplayer achievements
all of those items can be farmed offline
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>>739178195
>mumble "malenia"
>implying they even get the name right
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>>739193651
looks like a wicker man, cool
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>>739197572
NTA but I'm pretty sure I remember there being ones like "beat a boss in co-op"
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why does the elden ring fanbase hate the lotr fanbase
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>>739197797
this sounds like something you made up in your head
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>>739174976
I played Lords 14 on ps4.
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>>739197628
Back before release, I thought it was supposed to be a Moloch reference.
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>>739153101
i'll buy it then
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thisis the only game i've seen v actually play



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