I wish we had more hack character designers in the gaming industry.
>>739156532foid version of everything on the left
>>739156532explain Velma then
>>739156757ants
>>739156532hoodie guy is mceveryone else cucks him
>>739156532I hate that every version of this argument turns into retards arguing about the politics of pretty women in media. Because I genuinely agree that it's lame when games/shows do this but the point is always argued by the biggest faggot that then goes on about some "female objectification" bullshit. I don't dislike it because it's too sexy, it's just boring and lazy.
>>739156757>bald>tattoosDid the unity asset not come with piercings?
>>739156532men can have a lot of different personality and flavoursmost women are written boring in general and the only ones people remember are the ones that look pretty then you have actual fun female characters designed and writtenlike you still remember ellie from borderlands to this daybut even people complaining about "ugh, every female is a bimbo" themselves are a problem because they ignore actually cool characters and focus on a made up problem
>>739157920Your image seems to have a lot of samey males with the same amount of variation as the women
>>739157920>>739156532Isn't this actually legitimate to an extent because men are hormonally predisposed to have a lot of muscle mass and muscle mass tends to come in varied shapes, whereas women are really just either fat or skinny? And please, don't post a muscle"girl" now, it just proves my point (they take male hormones)
>>739156532>it's another episode of "white male guilt afflicted artist bitching about things that weren't even real in the 90's"This getting you laid, slick?
>>739157920if you've ever been outside you'd know that women dress exactly like this and most of them do have noticable hip width unless they're like 200 lbs
>>739158258nigga who gives a fuck about real life? its a fictional universe you can do whatever you want
>>739156757
>>739158343ok but your picture literally is in line with what i'm saying, as she's shaped exactly like any normal skinny human woman irl, other than a few insect features slapped on. Even fantasy observes certain common sense/aesthetic/association rules from real life
>>739158258Look again at OP's drawing>stick>V>fat>shortNow a reasonable person would say "Oh, yeah, we can make women that look like that, but we'll invert the V" but an unreasonable person would say "Oh, yeah, all female characters should look identical to the male characters, lose their tits, lose their hips, and..." and guess which one is making the argument
>>739157920>choose french cartoon as your example
>>739158532>"Oh, yeah, we can make women that look like that, but we'll invert the V" You're being heavily reductionist though.The fat guy with the thick forearms is designed after a plumber or something. He's got massive mitts and forearms cause he's some sort of manual workerThe wizard is a frail old man with a long beardThe hick has a beer gut, which is a male hormonal thing btw (google it if you care) The normal guy is well built but not especially muscular the superhero is roided upthe sad fuck is tall and lanky as men often arethe rat is a rat (there exist female rats in cartoons, this oine's just retarded, look at lola bunny or whatever the fuck) The principal is a short sturdy man with thick shouldersthe nerd in the top right is defined by his lack of muscle or maleness other than his fucked up eyebrows and ugly nerd hairyou can't jsut "make these all women versions" and expect it to make sense. Women plumbers dont grow thick ass forearms and don't sleazily let their gut hang out. Female wizards dont grow long white beards, so you'd just make it an old skinny woman. Hick women don't have beer guts because it's a male thing. A normal woman is just a regular skinny woman. A female superhero either looks like a man because she's given male amounts or muscle or she just looks like a slightly fit skinny woman. A female principal wouldn't have thick sturdy shoulders because that's a male muscle thing, shoulders are full of androgen receptors. A nerdy woman would just be a normal skinny woman and people would find her hot too. And keep in mind my argument isn't realism. Just making a male archetype into a female doesn't work because females are not associated with male archetypes, and if you did make them that way they would look like tranny parodies. There is a strong dichotomy between "shapes of body that parses as male" and "shapes of body that parses as female" and the latter is just way more narrow.
>>739158928Oh and just as a by the by, take the sopranos as an example. The male wops come in 20 different shapes. The women all have the same silhouette except for a few fat women. This isn't because the guy who cast them is sexist, it's because women don't come in other shapes. It's literally sex defining for women to have that range of shapes, and it's sex defining for men to have a far wider range of shapes. It's got to do with how male puberty morphs the body far more than female puberty. So of course an illustration that aims to depict males and females will loosely stick to these rules. "It's fantasy" is not a retort because a fantasy female that wants to parse as a female needs to stick to these visual patterns or it simply wont
I'll be honest, this kinda shit is why I stopped even paying attention to cartoons, everyone into them nowadays seems to be a giant fucking faggot.Must be a result of getting old.
>>739156532What is this meme even referencing? I can’t think of anything where this is true besides like old 1960’s cartoons
>>739158928You've put more thought into that than people who reproduce the meme
>>739156532I'll take bottom left and that female character 100% of the times, no matter how many alternatives are there
>>739156532But this has never been true.
>>739156532hehe, that gave me a funny idea...
>women aren't capable of being ugly or misshapen without looking like menNone of you have ever been to a shitty trailer park in a poor area where the women are either shaped like OP or middle aged junkies missing teeth with an apple body shape. Try looking at one of those "Walmart at 3 AM" gimmick accounts sometime and you'll understand.
>>739156532It’s hilariously how deeply wounded and victimized women feel about being born with inherent value. >noooo dont reduce me to the most important process in the universe, my purpose in life is to own a failing cookie business
>>739156532You just know this image was drawn after the Gameoververse pilot
>>739157920Holy fuck i remember watching this shit in high school. Lascars or something? Pretty good.
>>739156532Why are you dragging One Piece into /v/?
>>739156532Right literally hasn't existed in western games for the last few decades.
>>739158928>>739159104we should just make this into a copypasta or an image
>>739156532dq8
>>739156532Most attributes of masculine charm are tied to a man's ability provide and protect. That's what women want from men and that's also what men respect out of other men. Subsequently, masculine charm is strongly tied to a man's profession. Even the fat loser comedy protagonist is charming because his response to being at the bottom is to show qualities that will eventually make him successful as a man; nobody likes a character who just gives up and rots away in failure. That's why you get to a lot of variation in aesthetics between popular male characters.Most attributes of feminine charm are tied to childbirth and childcare + helping the man relax after he's spent the day meeting the woman's wishes. That's what men want out of women (men don't want husbands with vaginas) and that's what women respect and envy out of other women. Female comedy is also tied to this. The grassroots millionaire female comedians are the ones who show that they won't spiral into a fit of neuroticism and let themselves go when times are tough; they live by the motto "cute and funny". That's why almost every popular female character has a soft personality and either wears revealing clothing or frilly dresses.Nobody finds the the gruff girlboss soldier charming because nobody gives a fuck if a woman can fight, which works out for everyone, because they can't. Nobody finds the grimy, dumpy, classless woman funny because that shows that she's not even trying to pursue the feminine ideal.Nobody cares about women in businesswear because nobody cares how much money a woman makes or what her job is.>Says who?Says biological reality and the implosion of the western entertainment industry.
>>739156532>>739163827Here's my designs for male characters. Rate your favorite.
>>739156532>strawman comicyawn
>>739158040Wasn't one of the reasons GR15 show took off the fact all the girls had distinct and interesting personalities? Granted almost all the ponies are relatively uniform in design so it's not the best example for unique female character design, but it was a breath of fresh air from token catty fun-hating bimbo foids.
>>739165674kek
>>739165526When you say cute and funny do you mean that literally or in the wink wink nudge nudge way?
>>739165713yes
>>739165818I mean that they're cheerful, clean, girly, and laid back. And I also forget to add that while being kinda ugly is a boon for male comedians, it's career suicide for female comedians. Because the biological role of humor is to show that you'll aim for mastery of your role even when things are crazy, dangerous, or tough.
>>739156763Velma was always hot dipshit
>>739156763Velma is the only time that I've ever seen the "make your natural customers hate you" strategy for bringing in viewers actually work. And it only worked for S1.Never hate watch anything, BTW. Go help the people that you like instead.
>>739166630Look at her fuckin potato head. No way was she intended to be hot. Modern media has just lowered the bar THAT much.
>>739156532>every female character >its not Debra Wilson
>>739165824What's wrong with a tomboy wife wanting to sheer you up?
>>739165824I wonder what the ideal woman is according to this ancient incel
>>739158250Anon are you perhaps blind?
ironic this dyude would point out the male/female character relationship dynamic in feminist mediaunnattractive male character who is certainly not a potential love interest and has no obvious point to the plot othat than to support the female character
>>739156532This literally never happened ever.
>>739157920>>739164517Manuela SEX
>>739158040I will never care about a female character that isn't beautiful
>>739164418>It’s hilariously how deeply wounded and victimized women feel about being born with inherent value.and then blame men for it
>>739164646and games hasn't been good since then
>>739165824i fail to see the downsides in any of these except the butterfly
>>73915653210 eggsamples from the last 15 years, pleaseI haven't seen a conventionally attractive woman in westoid games in forever
>>739168457What about e33?
>>739168579Nta but modern game women are too realistic e.g. ugly modern women
>>739158714that's just how french look normallyfucking mutants
>>739168579The french are all natural born horndogs unphased by modern american social normsAlso I think french women are ugly anyways
>>739156532Guybrush theorem.>Male MC can be ugly/stupid/asshole>Do that to a FemMC and you get the feminists and journalists screechingNot wanting to trigger the retards mechanically result in female MC having 3/4 of all character options removed for them. Even the ones that are only there to be eye-candy, which is hilarious.
>>739168690>Amerimutts>Calling anyone mutants
>>739156532Need a game that use the whole pic related for female body shapes, not just the small group on the right.
>>739168579One of them is passable, but still no sex appeal, no tits, and too much in the realismslop realm
>>739168754are these "amerimutts" in this room with us right now?
>>739164418Men's inherent value is in a strong body that can do hard work tho
>>739168783Concord
>>739168851Nothing in Concord get me erect, so no.
>>739168783I'm so tired of these victim Olympics.>"BOO HOO MALE CHARACTERS ARE SO DIVERSE!"Fuck right off.You know who OVERWHELMINGLY picks the hot female character shapes to play as in video games? WOMEN. Look at MMO's and realize WHY "boring" female shapes almost exclusively exist. Women only want to play as those ones.
>>739168829I am replying to one right now
>>739168921I'm advocating to stop giving a fuck about what women want, yes.
>>739168890>T-THIS DOESNT COUNTevery time
>>739168940You’re advocating for Concord 4
>>739168783Steven Universe
>>739168783Deadlock has about as much physical variation for both genders. But doesn't do as much variation.
>>739168940While simultaneously wanting more women in games? And not even hot ones?
>>739157920THEY'RE MAKING LASCARS 2 RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
>>739168996That's... actually some are passable. Surprised shitverse could ever do something that not 100% garbage.
>>739168640>>739168801ok so what im getting from these posts is that you're mad that they're not anime girls
>>739169000What? Yamato is old model that’s going to be changed to generic woman, Miku is only one slightly stout, all other women are generic women with generic body types.Meanwhile for men you have Goo, Abram’s, Bebop, Drifter
>>739169113lel. That's not SU. That's something else.
>>739169001>While simultaneously wanting more women in games? Yes? I want vidya females because the real ones' design is awful and the dev refuse to patch them.>And not even hot ones?/d/ look down on (you).
>>739169152> /d/ look down on (you).Why would I care that some degenerate refuses of society “look down on me” from their sewer?
>>739169152>I want vidya females because the real ones' design is awful and the dev refuse to patch them.Is this some kind of veiled "I'm gay!" statement?>/d/ look down on (you)./d/ are a bunch of closet inhabiting dick eaters. I'd be upset if they approved of me.
>>739169126Yes, you are stupid and a freak
>>739165824This is a stealth MLP image by the way
>>739169223>this is an ugly woman
>>739165713>GR15 took offwhat show?>poniesjesus christ
>>739156532yes, more video game girls should be bimbos
>>739169297hownew.ru
>>739169332sorry I actually consumed a variety of media not only intended for primary school children so I can't relate with your "so deep" baby show.Barneyfag is right. kys.
>>739169272No it's no-Oh shit it is.
>>739169132> Goo, Abram’s, Bebop, DrifterAlso Billy and Dynamo and RemWhat women have?>Calico and WraithGeneric black women>Lady Geist Generic hot white woman>VindictaGeneric barafoot ghost lady>GravesGeneric teenager >MinaGeneric mesugakiI could go on but ONLY TWO women that dont have generic female body are Yamato and Vyper.BOTH MODELS ARE PLANNED TO CHANGED.
>>739169362how the fuck do you not know what gr15 is unless you're new?
>>739169431im not a stupid faggot so I dont have to memorise rules to keep the website functional you sperg.
>>739169126Disgenous retard
>>739169469nigga just admit that you're new. or you could just stop posting because you don't need to save face on an anonymous imageboard. wtf is this weird doubling down shit goddamn
>>739169295Didn't call her ugly.First she's not a woman but a girl.She's generic realismslop with no sex appeal and a bubble head. Completely basic
>>739169491no you're right, this is a disgusting ugly woman. how could anyone find this attractive?
>>739169581disingenuous retard
>principles of galbrush strikes again
>>739169553What the fuck is "realismslop"? Why is everyone on /v/ incapable of having a discussion about something without throwing out random nonsense words?
>>739169387Ignoring the gargoyle I see.
>>739169621we have to have regular female characters first then we can have clown dipshit ones.most anime and games hasnt even got that far yet.
>>739169295She not sexy, just genetically good looking but in a boring way
>>739169642Are you talking about character that was made prettier in every single model change? Yeah, she’s slightly outside of a norm BUT THEY ACTIVELY MADE HER PRETTIER AND PRETTIER EVERY UPDATE.
>>739156757mother sneed.
>>739169738Oh no? I thought the arguement was there are none that don't fit the mold of generic proportions. Now the issue sounds like there are women who are attractive in any regard. Why would I want to argue for the inclusion of characters nobody wants to play as? Its funny as a one off joke in custom character creator games but to genuinely want it in games seems silly.
>>739157920But the people like OP's picture *ARE* doing it to complain about sexy women in media, and pretentiously using "muh lack of creativity" as an excuse and a shield.
>make the men ugly and fat but make the women beautiful And this is a problem because?
>>739169873You said Deadlock has as much variation in both sexes(I’m not using American made up bullshit “gender”). But now it all comes down to two placeholder models and one gargoyle, while men have massive variation in every direction. Big, small, fat, skinny, pure muscle, robot
>>739156532Captain Hero? The fuck is he doing here?
>>739164562Linlin
>>739169272>>739169378maximum gay to point it out
>>739169982If every man is fat and ugly then there's no extra "the women is debasing herself" factor when she gets NTR'd away by a fat old bastard
>>739167308SEXOOOOOO
>>739167308I always found her cuter than Daphne to be honest. Even when I was a little kid in the 90s, I preferred the nerd girl over the Stacy
>>739169985I'm a different anon. I never made that claim. I only pointed out the gargoyle was being excluded. In any case, what does it matter?
>>739168731Guybrush is a dork but he's not ugly. I'd say Grace from RE9 is somewhat comparable to him.
>>739167308Her face is een the only bad thing about her
>>739169621Outdated, the Internet loves girlfailures.
>>739170160There is nothing gay about wanting to be ball-deep inside a mare.
>>739170635>girlfailuresThere's that retarded word again
>>739169272KINOOOO
>>739170732Semantics aside, a "Galbrush" can be made to work today
>>739169632
>>739165674What are the references here?I recognize some of them, but not all.
>>739170402grace is a nondescript noncharacter with no design and no sex appeal. Literally background npc tier.
>>739158928witches are typically stylized as old crones with bigass hook noses and hunchbackshick women are either stylized to look like Dolly Parton/Daisy Duke, a fat woman like the bitch from Borderlands, or that hillbilly bitch from Spongebob that everyone hates (not Sandy, the zoomer one)female superheroes are pretty variablea female principal is either a nasty bitch with glasses, Umbridge from Harry Potter, or Ms Trunchbull from Matilda (who coincidentally does have big ass shoulders and looks manly as fuck but is played by a biological woman in the film regardless)These are all fictional archetypes that I listed that fit with or adequately replace the shit on the left
>>739170635people wanting to save girlbrush doesn't disprove his point at all
>>739170856I feel your underselling both her appeal and her reception.
>>739170785>It's not my job to educate you, sweaty!Go back to Tumblr, SJW
>>739170635girlfailure is just pick 3 out of>disheveled hair>freckles>tallflat>nerd>awkwardbasically zero downsides as far as the fantasy is concerned, even if "damn bitch you live like this?" is present
>>739165824>It's the husband who's being a horrible partner in all of these panels except maybe the butterfly. And even in that panel I can't help but think that it's this limpdick excuse of a man who's at fault for being a killjoy and refusing to ever go out WITH his wife.
All female characters should be designed to give me boners.This is not an argument, this is a threat.
>>739158928>>739159104These are actually some good arguments. I often times have discussed the lack or representation of women of different shapes compared to men with my gf, and had not thought about it this way, since it doesn't initially sound right, but actually is. Thanks!
>>739170834From left to right1. The boyfriend from "autobio".2. Black squiggle from "morning visitor".3. Coach from zenpencils "a poison tree".4. Blob from "hey, can I come In?"5. Teacher from "your favorite student".
>>739171059Agreed.
>>739156532>seething hack retard incapable of seeing the diversity of female body types that are not only very present in artistic media but also considered to be incredibly beautiful to all kinds of menSeriously it is insanely easy to find a veritable rainbow of cute, hot girls and all these morons do is fixate on "busty blonde" or whatever and get pissed.
>>739158258nah, that shit only exists in korean mmos
>>739158258so true retard, women are all exactly the same!
>>739158928>women plumbers don't grow thick ass forearms>hick women don't have beer gutshave you never seen a blue collar woman
>>739169126they get mad at you, but you're correct. they probably think that women have the same body type because anime and porn actresses are standardized to have one.
>>739156532that bitch is too tall
Toadette body type
There actually is much greater difference between male bodies as per various studies. And typically nobody wants to see ugly people. Some more variety would be nice but usually these arguments don't actually come down to that, it just comes down to ugly women or brown people who can't relate to people that don't look like them
Its a holdover from Looney Tunes and Looney Tunes inspired media where women were seen as serious roles or desirable objects of sexual appeal compared to the more cartoony men in their franchises. If it works then it works.
>>739171392>brown people who can't relate to people that don't look like themSpics love Dragon Ball though.
>>739171342These are the most extreme examples of human anatomy. Also nobody complains when all the men have default chizzled body type A as the usually do in games so this is already a pretty shit argument
I wish there were more women with realistic character flaws
>>739171434Spics are browns who think they're whiteNigs meanwhile insist on making piccolo a nigger
>>739171495>fat girl>is anorexicWhat's a feeb?
Wendy Enthusiast Magazne
>>739171549My guess is it's short for "feeble", perhaps as in "feeble minded"
Girls in media are so varied thoWe have flatties, medium size, cow tits, different sizes of hips, different ages, different heights, different hair styles, different clothes, different mannerisms, some with a hint of abs, some with thicker legs, some with hourglass shape, some more slender/skinny, eye and hair colors, skin color, etc. etc.
>>739158259I dunno about where you live anon, but every white guilt male in my town is married and has kids. They genuinely get laid from this.
>>739171495I'll take the women who aren't smoking so either Janine or Laureen.
>>739171549look it up next time retardshort for feeble minded personaka functional retard or in her case she le pretends to be stupid or believes she's just pretending while ignoring outward appearances and actions are everything
>>739170783Name one example
>>739168356>Tomboy is more masculine than him>quiet one is boring>industrious one ignores him>butterfly goes out to get fucked by Chad>cheerful one spends all his money>serious one is ugly
>>739170910>or that hillbilly bitch from Spongebob that everyone hates (not Sandy, the zoomer one)Fuckin uhhhhh, Narlene?
>>739171342Porn is extremely diverse, each body type has its own tag
>>739171867>porn is wokeTime to stop masturbating, fuck libtards.
>>739168921Thisthe vast majority wants to have a pretty character. That's not only visible in MMOs, Ive seen women in public transport playing mobile games and despite theres often enough options for different body shapes they always go for the typical ones. IF there was a need for more body shapes the market would have reacted to it long ago. Because it would have influenced sales, and the market likes money
>>739171426who the deer
>>739171938og ugly ass tawna bandicoot
>>739171918I think its harder to make a female character whos fat or ugly and has endearing character traits or appearance. Because the stigma has always portrayed women as objects of femininity, motherhood, poise, grace. A fat guy can be jolly or silly and have a distinct appearance like Santa. They can be ugly or weird looking and still something people can enjoy, carried by their personality.
>>739165674Based.
>>739172001>UglyQueer
>>739165824The butterfly and serious girls are the only ones that can possibly be troublesome. The rest aren't a problem. Artist must've been an insufferable fag.
>>739156532>Literally every female characterThe way it should be.
>>739170910Most of that is looks and not body shapes kike he was talking about. The two that you mention that deal with shapes are the hunchback and the woman from Matilda
>>739167308I dunno man, I like Velma from the 2002 movie the most
>>739172062The problem is that archetype we accept for men are seen as negative for women. Fat and jolly, strong and hot blooded, beautiful and petty. People cry if the diversity isnt skin level
>>739171837>serious one is uglyDon't forget she will control everything in the household and relationship.
>>739172393The problem is actually women and their not shutting the fuck up
>>739156532
>>739171853Yeah, that one
>>739156763feminist shill campaign for the benefit of average women
>>739172196horrible blonde stacy snorefest. the trophy girls were quite good though.
It's women who enforce women's beauty standards. We all went through adolescence and saw the IMMENSE shaming of girls from other girls for their appearance
>>739172062Fair point anon, though charisma is omnisex and even a visually unattractive woman can be attractive with tremendous personality and humor. I guess I don't advise for games to have less variety in char creation, just that there is more tendencies for female players to go for stereotypical designs than males, but media might have influenced that aswell.Man, difficult topic
>>739172656It is honestly an interesting topic despite the engagement-baity nature of it
>>739172393Idk there's plenty of cute a bit fat mom/grandma that's really caring to her children type of characters in media and everyone likes them
>>739172736you still had to saddle them to set tropes in your example though
>>739172656You would have to over a very long period of time, in small increments introduce female characters who can have weird bodytypes or overweight. Even writing older female characters can be hard as the common trope among older male ones is the kindly or wise old sage. The writers would have to work extra hard to give them character traits like comedic timing, wisdom, charisma.
>>739172785Very true, but that goes for everyone, female options are quite limited to be fair(if you're considering universally liked archetypes), while no one really sticks to just one singular archetype.
>>739172921as I said earlier, I dont disagree with that galbrush image at all I think its initial premise is correct but we can only get lousy likeable women if we start getting likeable and not just fuckable women first.I don't see the thread lasting much longer on /v/ before descending into anita seething.
>>739171342If women in video games looked like that faggots like you would call it a chud coomer game.
>>739173068>makes games worse>ur just seethinggo be willfully retarded somewhere else faggot
>>739173129>IMMEDIATELY starts seethingkek. triggered.
>>739172812disagreethose female characters existmodern media does not know how to portray them without an overwhelming feministic angle
>>739173180They do but they're outliers. They aren't the consistent norm thats been established and ingrained into people's minds. In cartoons like Kim Possible, Animaniacs, Rescue Rangers almost all the women look the same, all the guys are allowed to be cartoony with varying bodytypes. In games like Crash Bandicoot all the girls have supermodel bodies, all the men can be muscular, short, small, stocky, lanky etc
>>739172062>I think its harder to make a female character whos fat or ugly and has endearing character traits or appearance.isn't that one of the women from the gbc zelda game?
this has never happened oncewhy do lefties complain about imaginary shit
>>739169113wtf are you talking about, the entire main cast of SU is extremely fuckable, amethyst is down right sensual
wife
>>739173385>In cartoons like Kim Possible, Animaniacs, Rescue Rangers almost all the women look the samenta, but this is a bad thing because?
>>739169526If he admits he wasn't here for the reason that gr15 was implemented, this outing himself as a newfag, he would lose izzat.
>>739173815I didn't say it was. My point is that many, many forms of media give female characters a singular bodytpe while they explore differing ones and personalities for men.
>>739173815Variety keeps things fresh, sameface can get bland after a while, like eating the same lunch everyday
>>739174037But the women in kim possible don't all have the same body type.Even in animaniacs off the top of my head we have Dot, Hello Nurse, Slappy squirrel and the hippo lady.
>>739156532Are there even any approximate examples of this female character in a significant role in AA or higher Western gaming from the last ~20 years?
>>739171005What appeal?
>>739174037But thats wrong no matter how much you say it.
>>739173815im surprised you said animaniacs when the main characters like dot, rita and slappy arent stereotyical and drive their own segments with their characterizationonly character i can think of that fits the bill of stereotypical beauty in that cartoon is the nurse and she isnt always in every episode and if at all, not for long
>>739174096>food analogy.
>>739174110>But the women in kim possible don't all have the same body type.
>>739174110extremely stupid post anon. I don't think this is your argument to have at all.
>>739171342>and porn actresses are standardized to have oneMy jap porn has both lolier-than-loli body type and can-a-milf-actually-be-that-tall-with-boobs-that-big types.Ideally in the same scene, but that's harder to find.
>>739173685>amethyst is down right sensual...Anon, you have shit tastes on a level that make people who jerk off to Mr Mime yaoi look like chads.
>>739173685Based Amethyst chad
>>739174680Erm... anon?
>>739157920If I have to look at a woman, who inherently has no personality, I should be aroused by her.
>>739174680I always say if a character needs to be enhanced by fan art to be fuckable or considered remotely attractive its a bad design. Like despite being raging porn addicts who obviously did not play the game on release, Midnafags can at least say ingame Midna is cute. But this thing? Nobody looks at those weird tumblr lips and colors and says that they would go for their canonical depiction. They always post the fan art.
>>739174331>there's always this one guy who get's triggered a by food analogyEverytime
>>739156532This is just side character designs vs. main character designs.
>>739174335>takes a screenshot of the cheerleader teamNot the best example, anon, but to be fair, kim possible did have a lot of slim bg characters
>>739174295Hello Nurse is basically a running gag for being that typical Tex Avery style hot babe. Then there was Minerva Mink...
>>739158343t. posts an anthroFUCKING HELL get some fucking self awareness for once phonefaggot
>>739156757beyond based
Dota is truly the most inclusive video game ever :)
>>739175095Shego has a similar body to them. Kim's own mother and the other handful of adult females all have slender, voluptuous figures like them.
>>739174680>shortstack with huge tits and dick sucking lips>uhm, no this isn't goodyou might have the gay
realismfags are a scourge on creativity
>>739156532>when the artist actually does design women of all walks of life
>>739172062You can certainly have a girl character be chubby and cute though
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>>739157920Basé.Je n'aurais jamais cru voir une images des Lascars ici!
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>>739165674Dude, this is fucking OC>>739167682Did you read the very short sentence and apply M E D I A L I T E R A C Y?His point is there is no ideal. They all have upsides (previously shown) but every "ideal" can have a downside. Except tomboy and Cheerful, that's literally not an issue.
>>739170635What the fuck does "girlfailure" even mean? I've seen people call Marcille from Dungeon Meshi girlfailure when at "worst" she is a bit clumsy while otherwise being easily the most competent and sensible member of the party.
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>>739156532artists draw sexy bitches more because it's both what they like seeing and drawing moreit's not that it's particularly harder than doing it with dudes and they can't do it due to skill or some shit that's all bullshit, it really is this simple
>>739175623My manI heard someone on here say that men are the "objective egalitarians of sex" and it's true. Women are into a VERY narrow range of male body types so they don't get to complain about this stuff
>>739175623Yeah but to this very day, no one can determine which chippette gives the best head.
>>739156532>calart character designerftfy
>>739168783Add lamias and centaurs to the female side, that's all I care about
Stop posting ugly fat shit you tastless niggers
>>739169051Oh really? That's some good news! Hopefully it stays mostly 2d animated like the first one. (I was wondering what movie I'd watch at the theaters next)>>739168180Hopefully her fanservice stays too
>>739175845>ywn take a big fat ogre shit in you're swamp and then paizuri your filthy slag wife's big green boulders.
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>>739176054>centaursJust let it go Anon. I sorta tried, large quadrupeds not being able to be abstracted to a freely-rotating cylinder utterly fuck up 90% of all character movement systems, it's a monstrous pain and I'm not surprised anymore that game studio avoid them so much.
>>739176094Better be
>>739171669NTA, but you're saying it's the women's fault for the guilt, eh? Pussy whipping their artist husband to regret making hot cartoon women because she's getting up there in years and has envy over an outdated yet immortalized character design made years before their marriage? Sounds about right.
>>739168890WHAT DID YOU SAY, NIGGAAA?!!?!!
>>739176518It doesn't even have to be a wife or girlfriend. Chris Metzen claims to have stopped making attractive WoW girl designs because his daughter merely asked him "why does Sylvanas have an exposed midriff?" You could come up with a plethora of answers to this like elven culture having different cultural norms for articles of clothing, especially for a ranger who needs to nimble and light to operate in the forests. You could even simply state its a design choice you like, who the hell is going to care about creative freedom of expression? Instead he just gave this huge moral conundrum on how we need to be "better examples" to women and children. Like a little girl isn't fawning over He-Man or Conan whos shirtless all the time or boys don't think Bulma is hot when shes wearing a bikini. And sometimes I wonder why this is a reoccurring theme with many Gen X content creators. They will literally denounce everything they grew up on or used to love even if isn't sexual in nature. This viewpoint is even more ironic to share when porn is not only more accessible than ever but more popular than ever, so the idea doesn't even track with their own narrative.
>>739156532Yeah, where is all of the DFC representation?
>>739175771female characters whose bad fortune is played for laughs. Marcille doesn't want to eat monsters and constantly fails in that regard because she is being made to eat monsters.
>>73917008020 bucks is 20 bucks Foxxy.
>>739176946Nta but that would rather be a clumsy girl in an unfortunate situation, girfailure would be "advanced incompetence"
>>739173685I agree.>>739174680This Anon is not my nigga.
>>739168996I don't know what this is, but all of the girls could get it.
>>739165824>the serious and clever is a man in a dress
>>739176946Marcille would never wear that.
>>739176054>>739156532
a unique design can only stand out if it's against the backdrop of a consistent design pattern. if everyone has a unique silhouette then it ends up visually clashing.
>>739157920>stiff as fuck poses>every foot is drawn wrong>zero gesture to anyone's designHis style can hide his lack of skill to the average layman but anyone who can actually draw, even at /beg/ level, can see how much of a hack this faggot really is. Holy shit this guy's art sucks, at a glance it's whatever but the more you look at it the more you see how unrelentingly shit it is.
>>739178005>model sheet has stiff posesyou might be retarded
>>739176835>Chris Metzen claims to have stopped making attractive WoW girl designs because his daughter merely asked him "why does Sylvanas have an exposed midriff?"Fucking brat ruining it for everyone. Of course I would say this if thay story wasn't complete bullshit, since when do kids give a fuck about le sexist designs?
>>739171342only attractive and ideal bodies are valid as characters, deal with it
>>739178050I highly doubt she cared liked that, it was likely an innocent question (since iirc she was a kid when she asked) but he got all "oh no, gotta keep her innocent!" about it
>>739171662This.As long as they are 10/10
>>739172062>Because the stigma has always portrayed women as objects of femininity, motherhood, poise, graceThose are feminine qualities. Will you stop being butthurt by them?It's like lamenting that you are smart or rich
>>739156532Man, I'll take anime slop over this Tex Avery type shit. Western animation is lost
>>739172393The problem is that you think it's a problem and not a feature
>>739178365why are poise and grace feminine
>>739172812Will never play that. Never ever.Either give those traits to an hot character or stfu
>>739174096Nobody ever got tired of attractiveness ad idealness
I don't get the whole thing about female characters being the same, not just in design but even as characters. I've read that in Japan, there was a contest a while ago where people voted for female characters they like which didn't use the common Japanese pronoun used by females, and that ended up including characters like Cirno from Touhou and stuff. There was a time where the bimbo archetype was common in games and other things, but it was just that, a fad.
>>739175771>>739177534>>739176946Ugly desexualized slop made to be netflix friendly
i hate /co/fags
>>739178661False, Marcille a cute.
>>739178194Shielding her from the most natural and desirable shit ever won't do her any favor
>>739178453Poise is definitively a big boy stat.>Full poise into stomp into uppercut, *chef kiss*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMpIiBvSTg
>>739166758Its the end result of decades of people going "urm, actually I like the unconventional girl!" and girls going "she's literally me!"
>>739178453Because they happen easily in estrogen-bathed babies and it's a trait that increments your mating value with males. Which selects it as an objectively valuable feminine trait, unlike bluntness and annoying voice.
>>739178772That neutered artstyle wouldn't be cute in a billion year
>>739170635no, they don't.They like hot women who are not quite perfect and have flaws. Look near perfect and are near perfect, but with some rough edges.Actual girlfailures don't look like that or act like that.
>>739178967Yeah sure, you Daphne faggots always go with that angle, Daphne is and looks boring and the only time she looked real nice was in 13 Ghosts
>>739165713I have no idea what GR15 is and Google seems to think it’s a piece of farming equipment
>>739178985>Because they happen easily in estrogen-bathed babiessounds like bullshit>it's a trait that increments your mating value with malessounds subjective vs 99.9% of men liking big tits and wide hips which are undoubtedly feminine
>>739171054It's always the man's fault, huh?
>>739167651Men are supposed to be miserable, not 'cheered up' by a pseudo dyke.
>>739179331Nta but the dude's kinda a lame fuck in that comic
>>739179381Who are you to judge?
>>739179374Okay tranny
>>739169297>>739169297They mean global rule 15. You guys SUCK at google.
>>739179050Get off 4chan Mindy
>>739179235your new is showing
Good art is defined by how much it makes feminists upset.
>>739156532IMO, most female characters are boring and basic because most women are boring and basic.Good character designers try to make characters look like how they act or vice versa, most female characters all look like copies of each other because they all share the exact same characteristics, which are all based on what the designer can imagine which in itself is based on the breadth of experiences that designer has had with whatever archetype they are designing.This can be proven with both sexes, just look at shit like CoD or GoW or literally any male character in any "mature" vidya released between 2004-2014 and they all look like carbon copies of each other:>Bald, buzzcut or generally short hair>Either box or triangle shaped body>Muscular but more "athletic" than "body builder">Highly competent at whatever task they are forced into>A personality that can be summed up as "someone wronged me and I want retribution!" or "I didn't ask for this but here I am"The reason why a lot of male characters were designed this way back then were two fold, it was the "safe" option for marketing and because it was the best these character designers could do under their circumstances. Both reasons share the same answer, because it was what the "average" mature male looked like and tried to emulate at the time.Now apply exactly the same logic to female characters and you'll notice the same pattern, it's the "safe" option because that is what most women look like or try to emulate, which is something that has barely changed in the last 40ish years and with social media it is even more heavily reinforced with women but not because it is what men or singular women want, it's what the collective female social structure demands out of them which they reinforce on their own.The current (as in the last 12ish years) female trends of girl bossing, over education and extreme liberal viewpoints is the female zeitgeist at war with itself and culture is downstream from that.
>>739171319>have you never seen a blue collar womanthe closest i've seen are some fat retards standing next to the road carrying signs, or a squatamalan landscaper with a leafblower.those browns are all ORB shaped regardless
>>739179282visible reality contradicts you and supports me.
>>739179651yeah but those traits arent inherently feminine, theyre just things that have been imposed upon the opposite sex same way being masculine means going to war and smoking according to retarded boomers. its all bullshit and you fell for society's scam
>>739179891>theyre just things that have been imposed upon the opposite sexdo you have any evidence or reason to believe something as bizarre as this?
>>739179994because its not a universal constant among females the way childbirth and menstruation isto me feminine = something uniquely female. personality traits arent genetic, theyre learned. bitches arent born graceful thats a stupid thing to say
>>739156532More of the girl on right?
>>739158928>Women plumbers ... don't sleazily let their gut hang outBut they should
>>739180094oh, so you're just ignorant and making things up. women of status adopting various patterns of behavior that any lay person would say are "elegant" or "graceful" is seen around the world, throughout time.
if i can't put the image through ai and see her boobs, it's a bad design
>>739180094If it's been selected as a competitive feminine trait in the mating race, then it's inherently feminineIt's not "universal" according to your surface definition because competition implies a hierarchy. The existence of low and high valuable specimens doesn't make it not universal, actually.
>>739180234>rich bitches act like rich bitcheswhats your point exactly? rich men act like prissy retards too. is the unisex act of ballroom dancing not elegant and graceful? this is learned behavior
>>739170374Holy shit, this is a perfect metaphor for my last relationship. Sasuga, Nippon
>>739180315>mating race>high valuable specimensno one that uses these terms when discussing humans has ever made a good point
>>739170785This misses them making up random shit when discourse begins. Especially core human nature that has existed for all human history, yet somehow they completely flip on its head without proof or needing to account for anything before. The moment you point out any fact or event, then they act like they cannot understand it, as if any reality-based argument was greatly offensive to them and a non-starter
>>739180332it happens across culture and across time and is a behaviour that women adopt more often than men, so it's a natural phenomenon. in a similar way, women being smaller and weaker than men on average is natural. >rich men act like prissy retards too>is the unisex act of ballroom dancing not elegant and gracefulhow exactly do you think these are arguments that disagree with me?
>>739156532Me second from left top row
>>739180404>childless Anon thinking he is qualified to judge what's a good point or not on the subjectlmao
>>739169272Literally no one cares except that one schizo
>>739180557youre comparing a genetic reality (women being smaller and weaker than men on average) to a cultural phenomenon that only applies to people of a certain status. again its the same as marketing firms selling you shit under the guise of "its masculine therefore you should do it". is makeup feminine because women have been psyoped by the cosmetic jew to ruin their skin with chemicals? its largely a point of semantics but to me learned behavior can't be feminine or masculine>how exactly do you think these are arguments that disagree with me?that grace and elegance are less traits tied to gender and more to status and upbringing?
>>739180776That schizo was Canadian and got MAID'ed away a long time ago.You only have mediocre imitators nowadays.
>>739171319>have you never seen a blue collar womanI have and both times they were thick, not T H I C C but just regular "thick" in that they had very obvious layers of fat all over their bodies and stomachs that looked flabby.Either way, I doubt that you've ever seen a blue collar worker woman because they don't really exist unless you include things like basic sanitation workers (cleaners) in that category. Besides, womens bodies all look very similar to each other since they all share the same shapes of:>Hourglass>Pear>PotatoMen have a bit more variety in body shape but they all also fall into the same categories of:>Triangle>Box/fridge>PotatoThis is almost exclusively thanks to the fact that while men have wider shoulders (on average) women have wider hips (on average) which means that bodymass is more visible around those areas.>>739171342Those women all look exactly the fucking same in terms of body shape with the exception of the fat one, your only disproving your own point here since even porn is more diverse than whatever your pic is supposed to prove.
>>739180825the point is that behaviour is a genetic reality. this is an incontrovertible fact. cultural is a reality of being human. its specific manifestations are the only things that vary arbitrarily and without reason. > is makeup femininewomen have been painting their body and faces with dirts and dies throughout history. similarly, women have worn shiny rocks, beads and bits of metal since before humans were even anatomically modern. the specific and arbitrary aspect of that is women wearing diamonds. >that grace and elegance are less traits tied to gender and more to status and upbringing?people at different levels of social status behave differently, duh. their behaviours are still ALSO stratified by sex. Nowhere in the world, and at no point in time are low class men more "graceful" and "elegant" than women. at no point in history, and at no place on earth are men more "graceful" and "elegant" on average than women of equal status. this is what it means for those traits to be feminine. here, i'll make things easier for you. "long garments are feminine" is not a defensible position because it's easy to point out places and times where men and women both wear long garments. it's also easy to find places where men wear long garments and women do not. in this sense, the fashion of long garments is arbitrary.
There are plenty of unconvental looking female characters, you just don't remember them because no one finds them appealing to discuss unless they had some weird fetish
>>739180404So scientists?>>739180514yep, all the times
>>739182112Looks like Helga Pataki
>>739168996le silhouette test and its consequences have been a disaster for the cartoonist race.
