Why did they change Daxter's design in the sequels?
so he could be a marketable plushy
you should see the glowup from gow1 kratos to gow2 kratos
Its the same design just higher poly
jews
>>739158861No look at the nose
the redesign made it easier to gangstalk you
>>739158743First one looks like a PS1 game.
>>739158743that new model has good topology flow
Sexo
>>739158996No it doesn't lol. Go look at the full model. It has zero fucking care to proper loops at all of the deformation points. I feel for the weight painters at ND and the animators that had to work with it to not show off weird edge-cases on his model, given how much they stretched him in the game.
>>739158743why did they change kiera's design in the sequels?
>>739159115All their faces changed. Young Jak in the opening of 2 looks off as well, but you only see him for a few minutes.The only character that didn't change at all is Samos, and he looks super out of place next to other characters
>>739159084oh, i guess you're rightthe mouth loops really do just go right on up into the eyes
>>739158743He looks better in Jak 2 and Daxter PSP
>litigating a change that was made 25 years ago for a franchise thats been dead for at least 15 yearslet it go
>>739159115>why.jpg
>>739159360The fuck is that render on the right
>>739159332I welcome any Jak thread that isn't whinging about Naughty Dog and Druckmann. I really need to get around to playing OpenGoal
>>739158743>>739158950>be a game developer>told to create high poly versions of old models>they secretly just press 1 button and call it a day>big wigs are none the wiseryes, it's that easy
>>739159404I've never seen design that was so similar yet so ruined in a sequel
>>739159360It can always be worse
>>739159217It was still the wild west of topology and most game artists were coming off of the "make every triangle count" days, so the whole concept of edge loops (quad-reliant) for realtime animation wasn't as well researched for at the time, since you couldn't just subdiv your problems away like movies.
>>739159491No way the textures are that bad
>>739159491Bitch doesnt have eyelids, the fuck
>>739158950Well Jak & Daxter came out very early in the PS2's life and Naughty Dog was a shit developer, so yeah they probably were working with a PS1 mindset.
Going to be honest, Jak characters look kinda retarded. It's a miracle they went on to make Uncharted
>>739159556It was a psp game
>>739159491if the face was less androgynous i would kind of like thisas >>739159560 pointed out, the lack of features like eyelashes make the gender as muddied as the textures
Jak 2 was unironically one of the worst games I've ever played. Most bad games you can find some humor in how bad it is but Jak 2 was just unfiltered garbage.
>>739159642A PSP game by a literal-who, which only did two 'eh handheld Ratchets prior. Game looked worse than R@D's efforts on PSP Daxter.
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>>739159714I sometimes wonder how long Jak 2 would be as a game if you stripped out all of the meandering in the city between missions. I enjoyed the game a lot when you were on foot out in actual missions, but anything involving the city + vehicles (especially timed missions) can suck my
>>739159714wait til you play jak frontier
More expressive model
>>739159930Jak X didn't have to worry about game performance for its cutscene models, unlike the rest which had to use what was already there to prevent extra load times. Hell, the characters in Jak X races look worse than they did in 3 since they had to budget for 8 vehicles onscreen at any given time, all with modeled pilots.
>>739159780i have that issue
>there were precursor robots in geyser rockHow the fuck did I never notice this?
I miss Jak and Daxter, I also wish there was never a new game because I know it would be raped to death by Naughty Dog with their retarded ideas for how to improve it. Its so fucked up how many game franchises ended up like this.
>>739158743The original nose looks a bit too wide, almost like a mustache. No harm no foul imo.
>>739160275>This thing is just sitting there completely unguarded on an island no one lives on>Presumeable many more like it across the planet>Gal and Maia built theirs out of scrap metal and broken parts.Are they stupid.
>>739160386samos probably hid it from them. but this revelation surprises me
>>739159621I love how you can make them look more retarded with big head mode, even in cutscenes.
>>739160386I always assumed the one they cobbled together was still relatively “complete” with its innards intact. All other precursor robots and pieces of them were effectively empty shells that were gutted over the ages to make the haphazard contraptions all over the place.
god I love this game
>>739158743>more polygons>less sovl100% of the time
>>739161323no shit, because sovl just means nostalgia
>>739161129Huh, I always thought they were just ancient building remains, not full on machines. I guess the ingame camera doesn't really encourage you to look up often.
>>739161129Maia...
>>739160386This >>739161082 and also what's still there is probably weathered to all hell, they put together the best parts they could find.
>>739158743They saw kingdom hearts face animations and wanted to be better
>>739160569Small head mode is better
>>739161913Visible buttcrack
>>739161913why was she with him? was she the guy's assistant
>>739158903The nose was big so it could be distinguished at 320x240 with that low poly count
>>739162438>why was she with him? was she the guy's assistantGol was her brother.
>>739158743except there's no redesign whatsoever other?
>>739163571Prototype doctor nefarious over there
>>739163571Was it incest?
I miss old Naughty Dog
>>739164434No it was Dark EcoThough come to think of it, everyone else looked pretty ugly, even the ones who weren't sages
>>739159491>>739159642Oh my fucking God this is grim
>>739159491>Directed by Niel DruckkmenNo, seriously
>>739158743There's nothing I hate more in a franchise than when a character model is reinterpreted. Some characteristics stay the same, but overall they are an entirely different character to me. It's like swapping an actor in the next movie. I say you take the exact look of the first one, and only improve in detail. You don't fundamentally change their facial features. I prefer Splinter Cell 1's Sam Fisher model. He looks like a former military guy nearing 50. Handsome and fit, but still looks like a dad. He's not a super hero or have Arnold Schwarzeneggers jaw. Then he gets changed a dozen different times and almost all look like ass. The one with the grey beard looks like white pubes glued to his face. Some he looks weak and pussified, other's he looks grotesque.
>sequel aims to be more dark and gritty>mascot character's cutscene model gets the Pixar treatmentJak and Daxter was better when it was meant to be a spiritual successor to Crash, even through it's art style and direction. In-game in 2 and 3 he still uses his low-poly Precursor Legacy model though
>>739158903he didn't look like that on the box art
>>739160386If you notice many of their excavation efforts are in remote parts of the world to not draw too much suspicion to their actions. They are pulling up parts of a precursor robot with a balloon in Boggy Swamp, then excavating one in the Spider Caves which you can also stop and happens to be very close to their base of operations anyways. The other sages only get kidnapped as you progress along with the story so presumably if they tried to make their efforts more open the other villages and sages would be alert to their actions and respond accordingly. We never see Gol or Maia fight outside the robot despite having what people assume to be powers related to Dark Eco. Maybe they just can't fight. >>739159404God I hated how they made her face look more aggressive and bitchy in 2.
>>739158743I kinda like Daxters bigger nose and how it fills the space between his segmented eyes. Jax was always Powerman 5000 generic animu dude, and that was OK.
>>739168117should have stuck with the third iteration
>>739159553>wasn't as well researched for at the timeThe fuck are you talking about, lmaoJesus Christ, blenderbabies can't even fathom the idea of optimization
>>739170559I miss when the most common complaints about ND were the shift in tone and introduction of gimmicks for their most prominent games like Jak 2 and Crash Warped. Those were still videogames, Then Uncharted and TLOU came along and they're just glorified movies.
>>739167770This isn't true.Druckmann did the initial story treatments for the game, but wasn't involved with full production since Naughty Dog dropped the game on high impact early in dev while they went to work on Uncharted.
Is /v/ so irreparably retarded they can't fathom the idea of ingame model vs cutscene model anymore? What even is going on with this board.
>>739172705Both of those are cutscene models
>>739172946Jak 1 didn't have "cutscene models". They used the same models for gameplay and cutscenes.Only jak 2 onwards had cutscene models.
>>739170915>God I hated how they made her face look more aggressive and bitchy in 2.Bizarre statement considering that Jak 2 Kiera literally has a permanent smile on her face at all times, even when she's supposed to be angry or upset.Her mouth is literally like :> at all times. Such a downgrade.
>>739174921Her eyes aren't as round and expressive as TPL Keira. They're more angular. Her larger smile combined with that shape looks like more of a glare than the openly welcoming and younger one.
>>739158903Uh, yeah, the design had to be changed to accomodate the new vectors on his face. What's the problem?
>>739162438They're siblings and roughly the same age. She just used dark eco to give herself a facelift and a boobjob
>>739176796>Dark Eco literally made her hotter but also made her a schizo
>>739175143I can see why hanging around men, like Erol, would do that to a person
>>739158743Talk about a nothing burgerso they added polygon, big whoop
>>739177274This is linda sad
>>739178617hello linda sad nice to meet you
>>739159597>and Naughty Dog was a shit developersuch a contrarian
rank the games
>>739178784They made Crash Bandicoot, a series that took two games to start getting good before they abandoned it.Jak was the opposite, they poured all their knowledge and skill learned from Crash into it, then immediately scrapped everything in the next game in favor of a shit smoothie of mechanics that only began to figure itself out with Jak 3 before they abandoned the series.
>>739178759i pressed the wrong key desu...
>>739179187but the crash racing game is like the best kart game ever
>>739179142>Jak & Daxter>Daxter>Jak 3>Running a marathon in sandpaper underwear filled with broken glass>Wiping your ass with barbed wire>Flushing your eyes out with lemon juice>Jak 2
>>739179324Different kind of game, it's obvious I was talking about main titles and not spinoffs.Jak X was good too, but that doesn't excuse Jak 3 being the last of the main line games.
>>739164434>>739164568Their body language is disturbingly intimate (look at the Red Sage hut cutscene for fucks sake) so they definitely have something going onThere's also a very good chance Gol and Maia are still alive well into the Haven City era but that's never followed up on
>>739160156All Daxter characters have two models. One for gameplay and one for cutscenes.
>>739158743Because Naughty Dog didn't want to continue to use the gameplay model, and instead use a new cutscene model.
https://youtu.be/W9umfklolms
>>739175683so it's not the same design
>>739159597WutPretty sure Naughty Dog tapped into the PS1 emulator to make Jak 1 run the way it didNot a shit developer by any stretch of the imagination, at least at the time.
>>739180061Cool cutscene, but I'm kinda glad they scrapped it. Gives away a bit much.
>>739159597>Naughty Dog was a shit developerThis is probably the most retarded statement I've read all year, congratulations.Andy Gavin was more aware of how the hardware operated than the manufacturer.
>>739180531>Andy Gavin was more aware of how the hardware operated than the manufacturer.No he wasn't. Sony specifically stated to never use the PS1 chips for software implementation because they will be replaced in the future. And what do retards like Gavin do? Use them either way. Besides there a ton of games that disregarded the basic manual for the system like Star Ocean 3 which exists in two version one that works only on the original models and one that is fully compatible with the entire system range. Same with Daxter. The original print doesn't work on later models.
>>739181014>Sony specifically stated to never use the PS1 chips for software implementation because they will be replaced in the future>citation needed
>>739180280>>739180531>b-b-butThe whole point of this is the buts, they learned so much and eventually became extremely good, then threw everything in the trash and became shit again.I doesn't matter how hard you cry about it, you cannot find anyone who likes how Jak 2 plays.>inb4 you pretend I like Jak 2's gameplay just to be a contrarianYou do not like it, either tell me what makes it good or shut the fuck up.Look at Insomniac, they hit their stride instantly with Spyro, even at Spyro's worst with the third game, it's still leaps and bounds better than Crash 1 or Jak 2.Ratchet is still alive today, just about as good as he's always been, and Jak is dead.I recently beat Daxter, Ready at Dawn understood Jak better than fucking Naughty Dog did and should have taken over the series.
>>739181286>It was a "filtered by Jak 2" melty all alongThrow it on the pile.
>>739181410Oh I forgot that one>filtered by Jak 2Not filtered, I beat it, pic related.It was complete dogshit from start to finish.Saying that was just your attempt to side step addressing anything I said in my post, either respond honestly or get out of the thread.
>>739176796TPL design docs had a lot of things that weren't in the game like the final boss being a giant mech fight where you pilot your own precursor robot
I'M GONNA #$% PRAXIS
>>739176796SEEEEGS
Choose
>>739158743The is probably the least-offensive redesign of all time.
>>739181730Jak 2 was so much better than the first game. TPL is extremely generic and has nothing to offer beyond collecting hundreds of shiny things. It's a dime-a-dozen game and there are a million platformers just like it. It was carried by the animations and dialogue. Jak 2 and 3 had guns, vehicles, hoverboard, and dark/light Jak which can be used freely. Any sort of variation in gameplay TPL has is restricted to a tiny area.Jak 1 is generic as generic can be. Jak 2 actually gives the series an identity and has gameplay no other game does.
>>739181730>Saying that was just your attempt to side step addressing anything I said in my post, either respond honestly or get out of the thread.No, you're sounding like a colossal retard not worth engaging with, that's why I only replied with low effort
>>739159621They've got such a How to Draw Anime high school notebook drawings vibe.
>>739181286But Jak 3, which has identical gameplay, plays fine?
>>739179142J&D > J3 > J2 >JX > Daxter
>>739181979top right, middle bottom is good too
>>739182383i remember reading in a magazine that their intention was to design characters that could fit both in the east and west after the localization efforts that Crash had in Japan, so they made that hybrid design for the first game and i guess some of that thinking still carried to Jak 2
Those that think Jak 3 is better than Jak 2 are the same kind that believes RLM's take on the PT or the commonly repeated "humans had the best leveling route in WoW!"Jak 3 was just minigame after minigame. That shit was ass.
>>739181979Kiera is best girl
>>739182648>That shit was ass.but enough about Jak 2
>>739182184>TPL is extremely generic and has nothing to offer beyond collecting hundreds of shiny things. It's a dime-a-dozen game and there are a million platformers just like it.Factually wrong, it has tight controls and challenges that don't feel out of place, unlike many other games and the second two Jak games, where you have out of place minigames that suck ass.>Jak 2 and 3 had gunsWhich controlled like shit, at least Ratchet had the decency to make the projectiles home in slightly to off set the move to aim.>vehiclesMade out of thin glass with horrible controls, and not to mention the race bikes, which are actually x10 worse than normal ones.>hoverboardWhich never gets used or has reason to be used outside of one mission>and dark/light Jak which can be used freely.And cannot be used in combat against any kind of ranged enemy because, as dark jak you stand there for a couple seconds and soak in damage, and Light Jak that from what I remember, can not attack.Not to mention that melee attacks often get you hurt far more than you would just shooting things.>Any sort of variation in gameplay TPL has is restricted to a tiny area.And a good tiny area that is, filled with more care than Jak ever saw again.>Jak 1 is generic as generic can be. Jak 2 actually gives the series an identity and has gameplay no other game does.Identity is about far more than doing something different, by your understanding, Skylanders is where Spyro became good.>>739182395>But Jak 3, which has identical gameplay, plays fine?It does not have identical gameplay, it's vastly improved; More checkpoints, better aiming, more gun diversity, more relaxed enemy AI to start with, far better vehicle controls, and minigames that aren't complete ass.>>739182217>getting mad because he knows he can't do itStrike 1
>>739158743It's such a shame that more games didn't get Xbox ports. Now that we're out of the golden age we're going to have to stare at this dog shit for the rest of time.
>>739179142Jak 2 > Jak & daxter > Jak 3 > Jak XI have not played Daxter or The lost frontier but ive only heard good things about the former and bad about the latter.
>>739183650My brother in arms.Except I did play Daxter and TLF. Daxter is alright but does nothing remarkable today. TLF is truly awful, like everything Hight Impact Games did.
>>739181979I blame these games for my midriff fetish
>>739180061Holy shit, I didn't remember that much of Maya's ass being visible
>>739158743im gay for daxter
Remember what they took from you.
For me it's the Geologist
>>739181979TessI was jealous as hell of Daxter as a kid
>>739183650>I have not played Daxter or The lost frontier but ive only heard good things about the former and bad about the latter.And for good reason. Daxter felt like it was made by ND even though it wasn't, and Lost Frontier felt like a cheap knockoff despite being technically more "official".I didn't like a single aspect of it
>>739184093who? Naughty Dog?
>>739161913
>>739176796hot. wish she was fleshed out so jak could fight her and daxter would ask to see whats under her armor
>>739183650i like Jak's face in htis picture, he looks confused, like wondering why is he there in that moment.
>>739161129>such a cool and interesting world built on the remains of ancient and powerful wisemen>throw most of it away because the target audience wants to play GTA3I just.... dam, I don't hate 2 and 3, but I want Jak 1's world back man.
im about 50% done with Jak and Daxter 1. Didnt know it was so short. Ratchet 1 was a long and challenging game, Jak 1 is like a super short banjo clone.
>>739185093Honestly I think naughty dog was always second to Insomniac for the longest time, until Naughty Dog pulled the masterpiece out of their ass that is Uncharted 2.Uncharted 2 really put them on the map and is still their best game imo.
>>739158743Because Dexter is the Nortubel of Jak
>>739181286Yes yes your contrarianism makes you very cool and interesting, we are all oh so impressed
>>739185382>can't refute a single thing so he calls me names insteadYour are admitting that I am right
>>739185659>please engage with my insufferable attitude so I can say "mmno" to all your counterpointslol
>>739185659No. I'm notYou can cope and sneed as much as you wantYou are not interesting. You are not an intellectual. You are a moron
>>739158836That shit was insane. GOW2 looked like a fundamentally different game. His appearances in the PSP games were also top tier.
>>739185093There is evidence to suggest that a lot was cut due to time and/or money constraints. For example, this is an unused level that was cut at the last minute, which would have been connected to the Red Sage's hub.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J82vA48x1SIThe Yellow Sage was probably also going to have a hub with three levels, but was cut entirely. I remember when I kid thinking that it was very odd that we ended up at Gol and Maia's citadel. instead of the Yellow Sage's hut, at the end of the Lava Tube.
>>739184604https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9umfklolms
>>739181979ashelin was so sexy. guess is choose her because shes also a good fighter
>>739185382>contrarian Jak 1 is the best selling game in the series lol
>>739187210>>739184604>>739183872>>739181979dark ecussy
>>739185783>>739185870Strike 2, I'm still right.You wanna change course or continue to rage?
>>739189270i wonder if you went at her hard enough her dark eco magic would leak out
>>739185093That's the reason i rank it under 2 and 3. It's a charming game but way too short and easy
>>739189928You’d have a lurker penis
>>739189928>Fuck her so hard she ages 100 years through her orgasm
>>739186902I could be misremembering but when you arrive at the citadel theres a tiny, barely noticeable but burnt out "hut" that looks like it was intended to be the Yellow Sage. I think its to the right of where the stage pad and teleporter is. But it almost looks like its apart of the citadel itself and it doesn't even look like it could a person inside it, much less furniture and the other amenities the other sages have.
>>739190343>I could be misremembering but when you arrive at the citadel theres a tiny, barely noticeable but burnt out "hut" that looks like it was intended to be the Yellow Sage.Yes, you're right, but that was clearly just a cop-out by the developers. It wouldn't even make logical sense for a sage, let alone anyone else, to live there. I don't think I even noticed it when I was a kid. I just remember wondering why there wasn't another hub area for the Yellow Sage (like the previous three) before we got to Gol and Maia.
>>739191051Yeah thats it. They were clearly short on time and budget which is why the Yellow Sage doesn't have his own levels and why the Red Sage only has 2.
>>739177274I bet his pubes still smell like pines though
>>739192476that and light breeze scent
>>739181979anyone but the squirrelfuckers>>739183315she acts like a bitch in every game but the first. sorry but If they ever reboot the series I hope she doesnt get to be the default LI
>>739158861those aren't even fucking triangles in the new one
