It's official. What are your favorite bullet heaven games?
>>739163008Dead ops arcade
soulstone survivors is by far the best in the genre
They're all terribad, like idle games
>>739163382trimps is better than any survivor game
Could have been survivorvania...
>>739163008more like Progression Hell lmao (my current favorite YTer called it that)
more like Spaz Simulators
>>739163008never played vampire survivors but I'm assuming it's because YOU are the one spamming bullets against hordes of enemies?
Just call it an auto survivor
>>739163008Can you keep that garbage away from shmups?And while you're at it differentiate it from rogue you fucking drooling retards
>>739163516That's fucking retarded
>>739163008We should just fucking rape Steam. Still calling them Survivor-likes
>>739163890you are correct
>>739163008For me it's holocure :)
>>739163008Holocure is already considered the best of the genre. Especially since it's free
>>739163516You mean willysurvivors
>>739163516You mean Graliclike
>>739163008That's an odd name. I'd have called them chazzwazzers
Oh, so I will finally be able to filter out all of this shovelware garbage for low IQ retards? Thank god.
>>739163008>get to call it something other than "[X]-like"Thank god.
>>739164819it's already dead thanks to fucked up holoindie's policies.
I get that they want to move it away from the "survival" genre/tag, but this ain't it
>>739163008why bullet heaven and not bullet hell?
>>739168536It's a play on words because it's the opposite of a bullet hell
>>739164862Holocure almost feels like it has too much, thirty minutes a run multiplied by 47 characters means finding a main is going to eat up dozens of hours.
>>739168391I'll still call them survivors-like because it earned the title. The sheer amount of clones shows everyone knows how good the formula is
insanio von crazoidian likeMcFuckedUpbullet-notkillastan
>games that half play themselvesThis pastime is in it's third act.
>>739168536A bullet hell has you dodging infinite bullets, a bullet heaven has you pumping out infinite bullets.
>>739168607Its a game for vtuber simps, you just main the one you throw your paycheck at
>>739163008>bullet heavenNo thanksAlso I just finished Jotunnslayer recently, pretty decent survivor game. I recommend.
>>739168636But we have had autobattlers for longer.
Halls of torment
>>739163008I've never played any of these games but from what I remember wasn't Vampire Survivors just a rip off of the original Magic Survivors or something? Literally KWAB status making something, having someone else make the exact same thing and then receive all the recognition.
>>739170020They're all "inspired" by something that came before them. Like 16 years before either VS or Magic Survior you had Crimsonland. 20 years before that you had Robitron. Nothing is truly original, but a good descendant sets itself apart which is what VS did
i made a game just like vampire survivors, 2 years before vampire survivors came outthey should be paying me royaltiesif you don't call them "blaster games" you are a PLEB
>>739168636>anon forgot about the current popularity of idle games
>>739166725based
>>739170740crimsonland is still fun tbhwy
>>739170740>>739171046qrd? Just looks like Alien Shooter to me
>>739163008Why do normies like fun slop?
>>739171356Normies play gunballslop. Indieslop like this is for neckbeards
>>739163008that's really fucking gay but so are video games so whatever
>Bullet hell Lots of Bullets are theirs >Bullet heven Lots of Bullets are yours Its pretty easy to grasp I don't know why some of you are acting like retards
>>739171696Vamp Surfers is mostly shit like knives though
The genre peaked with Boneraiser Minions and Picayune Dreams.
>>739163008Wedding witch and stand survivors.
>>739163008twinstick survivor had a better ring to it
>>739163890its basically a tower defense with no strategy
>>739163008Why did this take literally 2 years to decide on the "official" name? Can't steam let players and devs figuring it out? English isn't an ordained language like French so they have no right.
>>739175706They have an interest in forcing a name because it's better for their storefront tagging, it's the industry's fault for not figuring it out sooner.
should be auto shooter
>>739163008so dumb when everyone already decided they were survivor games
>>739163008Not a single good game in this soulless genre
sorry i dont play garbage
>>739163008That's what it's always been you fucking zoomers.
>>739170740Did Crimsonland come out before Epic Battle Fantasies bullet heaven?
>>739171696Bullet hells are kind of an elitist genreHaving piss easy RNGfest games be even remotely related to them feels insultingImagine if games like Animal Crossing were called>Soulsunlike
>>739163008I guess it's kinda clever because it's the player shooting unlimited projectiles instead of the enemiesNow that the genre has a name, I can direct my hatred towards it. I fucking hate bullet heaven games they're borderline idle non-games with flashy lights like it's a casino lever
>>739176439But you also shoot unlimited projectiles in most bullet hells
i like deep rock galactic survivor
>>739163008AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>739176671What is it, spergbro?
>>739176774Sorry just stimming
These games should be named slot machine-likes. Wow, look at the number go up! Look at the flashing lights! Aren't you having fun yet? We're playing the FUN sounds!Anyone who enjoys this slop needs a bullet through the brain.
>>739176337Now you know how roguelike fans have been feeling for the past 15 years.
>>739163516>survivorvaniaCRIMSONLIKE
>>739163008Why can't we come up with decent names for genres anymore? "Bullet heaven" doesn't properly describe the gameplay. They're just wave-based shoot-em-up games, I don't even know why they need a specific genre tag.
>>739177260>They're just wave-based shoot-em-up games,they really aren't
>>739177260They're survivors and I'll always call them that.
>>739177120Alienshooterlike*
>>739163008I would've called them faggotlikes.
i just call them shitty games
>>739177581This. The problem is that the "bullet heaven" genre is really just a tiny subset of gambleslop. Games like Nubby, Balatro, and Cloverpit don't have the bullets, but it's the exact same genre, the gameplay is close to identical.
>>739177670It's not gambling cause you don't put money in. At least be accurate when seething uncontrollably
>>739163008I haven't played that many because most are mind numbing but holocure was the one I enjoyed the most since it gave a good amount of control to the player and enemies felt engaging to fight/avoid.Any others like that?
>>739163008I fucking hate PC Gamer so much sometimes man.
>>739177861You're gambling with your time.
>>739178007That applies to every single game
>>739178054In the sense that you don't know if the game will be good or not, I guess. I meant more literally with gambleslop, if you win the gamble the game is over in 5 minutes, if you lose the gamble the game takes 20. Thrilling design!
>>739178140>enemy can shoot you or miss youEvery shooter is gambleslop
>>739176905I think it's fine to dabble in some slop here and there but anyone that is playing this shit for hours a day is literally frying their brain.
>>739178404I played VS for 26 hours and once you figure out the best build (just get guns ggez) it does get boring and samey. Also kind of burns you out on the whole genre, I can't understand people who put another 50 hours into 3 more of these games each
>>739163008unironically holocure
>>739171696>acting
>>739176337HAHAWe have an ELITE GAMER here!
I really dislike bullet hell STG, it's so stupid that it's all anyone does these days.
>>739169602that's all of them
They’re clearly Blaster games, as the original Katana Blaster came out years before Vampire Survivors
>>739178695>Also kind of burns you out on the whole genreI think you could do a lot with the genre but yeah people don't do much different at all with their games which is an awful idea when the thing they're copying has such little player input.
>>739163008I like VS but it’s not deep or difficult. It’s mindless mobile slop in the guise of a traditional game, but it’s some of the best slop. I’d play it over Candy Crush or solitaire.
All you have wrong, they're actually 3-choice pickers.
>>739163008I prefer the Japanese term “mowing game.” I like the banality it conveys.
>>739179809When you search katana blaster you get a level in just shapes and beats.History is written by the victors
>>739180004You could say, its a "game".
>>739181387Barely
>>739163008I prefer to call them stand em ups.
>>739163008Holocure
>>739163008On principle I think I should disagree since survivor likes have bullet hell elements in them in the harder stages, but in the most basic form, it's not incorrect to say it feels like the opposite of a bullet hell. That being a game where you are the "boss" with a hellfire of projectiles flailing around you to kill weak enemies.
>>739163382https://youtu.be/JuRhL6rafNo
>>739164102You can easily differentiate it from shmups, just sort by release date
>>739170020It's never been who was first but whose game became mainstream first. Dream Quest is way older than Slay the Spire but STS became the poster boy of roguelike deckbuilders.
>>739175706That's how we ended up with garbage nonsense like "character action"
>>739184175>you are the "boss" with a hellfire of projectiles flailing around you to kill weak enemiesA lot of bullet hells are literally that until you fight a boss
i preferred the term garliclike because it was silly and funsure, it's not self-descriptive but neither is "bullet heaven" and it's no worse than "roguelike" in terms of requiring knowledge of other games to parse
>>739163008I'm not calling them anything else than "garlic like"
>>739176286thats just a touhou rip off
Neat, I have never used the term bullet hell before this post and I will never use the term bullet heaven after it.
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