>wide selection of characters>but most of them aren't exactly worth trying except for specific recruitment requirements>retcons and weird story writing choices>that fucking method to get the real endingAnd yet I still like some Chrono Cross
>>739165879Most people hate chrono cross for the story because it does the thing that all hated sequels do which is kill off the previous protagonists and strip away their happy ever after.
>>739165632its literally revisionist to say chrono cross was bad. it sold like hotcakes, it reviewed incredibly well, the only people who say its bad are fags who were told trigger was the second coming of christ and couldn't handle the sequel being something actually different. best soundtrack on ps1, excellent stylized visuals, story was actually a cool contained story that happened as a result of the shit that was going on in trigger without ever actually undoing anything that happened in that game because of the result of your actions effectively undoing the entire anomaly, i'd say the only real criticism was too many fucking characters being basically useless, but i get what they were trying to do by having your choices have some kind of meaning, since your whole party set changes depending on several decisions you make in the game which gives it some semblance of replay value.don't fucking reply to me
>>739166524*smooch*
Chrono Cross is a great game with some quirks, and a controversial sequel. Wouldn't call it bad, and it was generally well-received besides some Trigger fans disliking the direction.
its not even a bad game. Yah the slowdown is awful but its easily fixable on retroarch or any NES emulator. Most people were too jaded and bitter that it wasnt MUH TRADITIONAL CONSOLE that they never learned the upgrade system or played past stage 1
>>739166687>GayFAGsIronically they're culpable for Cross's reputation being mixed for the last 20 years or so
>>739166738muh traditional contra*
>>739166390The only person that would think this is someone who is stupid enough to not be able to read two sentences literally stating the whole point of the game is to PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.Which you do./v/tard revisionism is so tiresome.
>>739166524I will reply to you to say,/thread
>>739166763https://web.archive.org/web/20020209122531/http://www.rpgamer.com/games/chrono/ccross/ccrossreviews.htmlYou can have some rpgaymer reviews too if you want
fuck you it's great
>>739166390Yeah that's what FF13-2 did.>remember how you saved the worlds and everyone re-united?>yeah actually lightning disappeared, go try to find her>oops you can't ever find her, games over, maybe she'll be around in 13-3
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>>739166835i jerked off to this dude when i was like 10 years old
>>739166390>it does the thing that all hated sequels do which is kill off the previous protagonists and strip away their happy ever after.What's a sequel that does this, yet is still generally beloved?
>>739166390Sometimes you people are so retarded it feels like a miracle that you are able to write posts at all.
God Eater as a whole.
>>739166738The power-up that makes you invincible while jumping is pretty overpowered, even if you don't abuse the glitch that lets you jump in mid-air. I still enjoyed the game, though, and I agree that it got more hate than it deserved.
>>739167157>the glitch that lets you jump in mid-airBUT ITS FUN
>>739167087The first one was flawed but great in many ways.I don't know what the FUCK were they thinking thereafter.
I find the grinding and looking for cool gear relaxing :). I also like that the different gear shows up on your character. Also the way the game looks is really comforting to me I wish I could explain why.
>>739165632Sonic motherfuckin heros
>>739165632Castlevania on N64, it's one of my favourite games of all time. It's also much better than Legacy of Darkness.
>>739166524Its a bad game.
>>739168071your opinion doesn't matter in this case.
>>739166390somethimes you dont even have to kill the protagonist to be rightfully hated>>739166980the only games that comes to mind is Silent Hill 3 and GTA V
>>739165632I still find it hilarious how all the best characters are gotten through being an absolute dick to the main heroine. Want the childhood friend? Tell the main heroine to fuck off when you meet her.Want the dragoon who multiwields legendary weapons? Leave the main heroine to die of poison! Even in the end it's totally optional to rerecruit the main heroine.
>>739170578And if you leave Kid to die of poison Razzly gets fed to a monster and the fairy village gets destroyed.
>>739170686My first playthrough I got fucked out of Razzly's super cause I made the mistake of not being leveled enough to beat the boss in one go. Razzly is the one good character you get for being pro-kid and you can even fuck that up
>>739165632Chrono Cross disc 1 is 10/10.Once you get around to disc 2 it kinda stumbles down to like a 7/10.
Your mom
>>739170823I remember everything after Miguel feeling like a pointless slog. If they had built up some stories around the world itself, kept the high points like Miguel, the Orphanage, saving Marbule, Starky's space ship etc. and cut all the endless dialogue about timelines/parallel universes as well as the last two bosses then the game would be one of the best JRPGs on the Playstation. They could have made the dragons more interesting to fight too.
>>739165632Literally only CT babs hate CC solely because of "MY ORIGINAL CAST IS DEAAAAAAAD".Case in point >>739166390
>>739165632Hey kids, did you love the flying time machine? Then you're gonna love the CANOE!
>>739166524Based/I'm sick of Chrononiggers having dictated the opinion of this game for decades because of their flawed minds.
>>739166390the story would still be a fucking hot mess even without that which is entirely cross' shitty writing's fault
>>739165632/v/ think its bad because he doesn't have gacha waifus and japanese humor....
>>739166980Megaman games.
>>739165632Chrono Cross is the definition of a love hate relationship for me
>>739166524>zero mention of gameplaylel Crossfags are so funny, their only defense is it's 2deep for Trigger fans.
>>739165632It's a bad Chrono game but a it's a decent game otherwise. In other words people came with preconceived expectations based on its series legacy and were disappointed. Should it not be billed as a sequel as it was originally intended, it would have been treated more fondly (and they wouldn't have forced in ties to Chrono Trigger and ruin the story).
>>739166980Fable 2 I guess?
>>739171251I don't give a damn about the original cast, but I do dislike the Cross battle system, nonsensically bloated cast, and the shitty pacing where all the genuinely interesting story stuff happens in just like three sections surrounded by mind-numbingly dull slog. It's a game with 10/10 highs and 2/10 lows.
>>739166524/thread
Probably the most controversial game in the series but it was still fun to me.
>>739165632I personally like Cross more than Trigger. Trigger is great, though.
>>739166876You're telling me a third Chrono would be the great?
Japanese version only
>>739165632>best girl>you can only get her after this game's equivalent of the resurrecting Chrono partwhat were they thinking?
>>739165632Yeah it's not as polished and content-rich as XCOM2, but it has cool mechanics that are fun to exploit.
>>739180583Orlha is a top tier girl, but the best girl is a plump bunny
>>739180830What was even so bad about it? From what I've seen of it it seems pretty good with some cool mechanics like limb system and shooting that isn't complete RNG bullshit.
>>739180583alright, time to choose>punk brat in a speedo>his fat hardass momthese are the real hard questions in cross
>>739181047*plumpish
Razzly best girl by far
>>739166524I loved Chrono Cross, but the presentation of the story was the worst I've ever seen. Even the devs knew it was bad because actually added in a tl;dr recap with the ghosts of the old crew to explain what the hell is even going on.
>>739168071The audacity of this fucker
loved chrono cross. put the soundtrack on at work the other day>can skip the annoying australian bitch and she even dies iirc>in return you get the strongest party member>can dual-tech with serge>every battle is beatable without grinding>new game + speed up featureI'd like a 4 party member system though. It's almost useless to not go optimal serge - glenn - ???, and there are so many characters. Steena was my favorite 'cuz white hair rules
>>739165632>that fucking method to get the real endingI legit had to look a guide for a quick time devourer kill, it's kinda crazy to figure out its patterns and I wasted many attempts trying to get the elements in order. And yeah, the story retcons and trying to become a sequel to CT dragged it down, the story itself was quite interesting without hamfisting the events of CT.I still enjoyed it tho, good soundtrack and a different combat system that takes a while to understand but once it clicks it's not that bad.
>>739177591The only people that don't treat it fondly are like three randos here, though, so whatever.
>>739182197Razzly was always my favorite.
>>739177591Literally not a series at all to begin with anon.
>>739182360There are no story retcons.
>>739165632This was probably the first disappointing sequel for me. Since then I have seen far worse but CC was definitely a step down from how great CT was.
>>739184674Lol
>>739185571Nothing to lol about. He's right you know.
>>739181958>The dwarves capture her to offer her to the Hydra for no fucking reasonTotal dwarf death
>>739185805Not this shit again. They were justified in invading.
>>739166390But it doesn't. That's what happens in SOME realities (Home). In fact, without Another, where Serge died, and project Kid could happen, EVERYTHING would be fucked. What's funny is that Trigger too had alternate endings with the cast not existing either.
>>739185679The only type of person that could somehow not absolutely love both of the games is some genuinely aberrant soulless golem, at which point lol is all there is left to do for them.
>>739177778Heroes IV could be ludokino but the company ran out of money and had to publish the unfinished version. It could easily surpass III.
I don't understand what people found so difficult to understand about the story. I was like 10 at the time of playing and the gist of,>people did stupid shit with time magic>heroes defeated source of time magic>paradoxes>now we are all fucked and wobbling in 999 alternate realities because everyone just could NOT stop eating ze lavos-bugz >fast forward to some fucknowhere spot in the map where a place that should not exist now does because bad people from previous games used the aforementioned long standing issue to evacuate here>you think there is one bad side for half the game>turns out there's multiple and they have been kekking you>you kek them back>High five Schala's tulpa who was there to fix shit with you>All is back on track on one timeline because of it>Avoided all the bad ends as a resultYeah there were overly wordy exposition sections in-between where they wanted you to REALLY know how this connected to Radical Dreamers and the minutia of the step by step of how it happened, which was some lore autismo, but outside of that and the occassional philosophical waxing from Harle, the rest was pretty straightforward.
>>739187776Doesn't change the fact that Chrono Cross was a disappointment.
>>739177778What's wrong with it?
>>739165632My favorite part of the game is the very beginning where you speak with people in the village and each NPC has a story to tell. The dialogues there feel down to earth and relatable, being quite enjoyable to read. Once you move to a different version of that reality where you are dead you can speak to the same npcs but this time they have different dialogues and lives based on taking different life choices in this new reality.
I wish Chrono Cross has a better, more fleshed out ending. It just lore dumps and ends
>>739166824Haven't thought of this site for like 20 years
>>739167856I love Castlevania 64 but Legacy of Darkness has a better controlling version of Castlevania 64 in it. I don't see how you can say C64 is better then LoD
>>739189075the game starts doing that once you get to that scene before the ending of chronopolis and never stops.the time it spent trying to connect itself to trigger could've been spent finishing it's own story
>>739189504Ive beaten Cross like 4 times and I still struggle to remember how Belthasar plan was supposed to work.
>>739188231You might be confusing the feelings people have for CC with the feelings your parents have for you.
>>739165632EverhoodDuskGuacameleeBlasphemousHollow Knight
>>739166524SPBP
I know the collision in this game is jank, I know the story is stiched together after thoughts. But I can't express how cool it was to ride the dragon back in 99 for the first time. Even though at the time I hated it for being a ps2 exclusive, the sequel is better in every way and you should play both
Cross is better than Trigger
>>739165632I haven't played Hybrid Heaven since release, but I fucking loved it. Don't know why it didn't take off.
>>739172546>/v/ think its bad because he doesn't have gacha waifus and japanese humor....Why are you shitposting over a game you've clearly never played?
>>739188101Between playing as cat man and fighting a spanish dude wearing a "fish fear me" hat and wielding the Sword of Revealing Light, I stopped trying to follow the plot and decided to just enjoy the scenery.Why am I fighting goth lolitas in a shopping mall? I don't know but Dead Sea is a cool place.
>>739189702Don't worry the devs didn't know eitherthe tldr from what i understand is >Belthasar had a vision of something that Lavos would returnBut didn't Chrono and his team kill him?Good question, anyway.>To prevent Lavos from destroying the world, Belthasar hatched this super elaborate plan where every negative or bad thing was actually intentional to get you ( Serge ) to kill Lavos again.This time for sure kek
>>739190513adding onto this I never connected the dots on this but Belthasar is essentially the reason Serge doesn't have a father, deliberately tooIf Serge understood the insane plot dump that he boiled down to "I need to kill God with this McGuffin" he might've contemplated killing him
>>739190513Crono killed Lavos' overall existence but didn't erase the part of it that existed beyond time and space, which was the source of the time traveling powers.Schala noticed it moments after across time and space being the only one with a direct link to the source. The core used that as means of anchoring itself to reality from afar, absorbing Schala, who in the nick of time created a copy-paste of herself to send to Crono's team to explain them the situation.However MOTHER was pissy about them so she paradoxed that process and fucked everything to be slowly eaten by Lavos from the end of time.Anyway Baltasar was there or something, maybe, who knows.
>>739190773I guess he figured if they fix it, it wouldn't have happened anyway. Byeah
>>739166980Shadow Hearts kind of?
>>739176713Better than the shit ATB from CT. One of the better magic systems to come out of the PSX era. The only bullshit was the field elements and summoning. I wish there were more than just a handful of summons.
>>739190863>baby daughter clonefucking hell how did i forget that, its so fucking stupidgod this whole plot is like kingdom hearts trying to keep going past the 1st one "You didnt kill the real Ansem you killed Xehanort's Heartless!">>739190994rationally yeah, also Serge mostly not having cognitive thoughts of his own besides a few select instances like on the boat thinking about Kid
>>739188935You don't have to spoiler tag something from a 30 year old game that happens in the first ten minutes, redditard.
>>739166980Wind Waker. The prologue tells of how after Link returns to the past after defeating Ganon in OoT, Ganon manages to return somehow and in response the Goddesses flood Hyrule, presumably killing everyone. This is why WW is just a bunch of islands.How can the Goddesses just intervene in such a way, couldn't they just kill Ganon themselves if they can do things like flood the entire world? And how did Ganon manage to return anyway? Super retarded writing, almost makes me think it was a translation error. Everything you do in OoT is completely pointless.
>>739191648>How can the Goddesses just intervene in such a way, couldn't they just kill Ganon themselves if they can do things like flood the entire worldIt comes from the idea of a biblical flood and you can just ask the same questions about the game. There would be no religion and videogame if God/Goddesses could just do it themselves lol.
>>739191430Eh, Trigger also kind of fell into that sort of asspulls. It's vaguely explained/justified in Radical Dreamers at least. But overall it's just the japanesse brainstorming bulshitting their way into creativity ways.
>>739191430>>baby daughter clone>fucking hell how did i forget that, its so fucking stupid>god this whole plot is like kingdom hearts trying to keep going past the 1st one "You didnt kill the real Ansem you killed Xehanort's HeartlessI will defend to the death the daughter clone thing. Lavos can make spawns. Kid was Schala's spawn. It was possible to do because she was attached to Lavos. If the translation just said spawn it would be a lot more accepted. But either way its really simple. Her name is literally Kid. She is Schala's Kid. Spawn means kid. Harle being a dragon jester who looks like Kid whose existence created a second moon in the sky because dragons need a celestial body is a LOT more weirder.
>>739190773>adding onto this I never connected the dots on this but Belthasar is essentially the reason Serge doesn't have a father, deliberately tooYou now manually remember Lynx is Serge's father. I love Cross but that always felt like missed potential. That and not having any unique thing for Leena and Miguel. Its fucked up how all these PS1 era games were so good but had to be rushed out in 1.5 years due to Square's rules now games take more than half a decade to make and there not as good.
>>739189951I can look pass faulty gameplay for the dragon companion. Definitely we don't get enough of that in games.
What did they mean by this?
>>739166524>it reviewed incredibly wellNo one cares about reviewers you fag.>it sold like hotcakes1.5 million copies on a system with an install base of 150 million. vs Chrono Triggers 2.3 million on the SNES with an install base of 48 million. It sold like fucking shit, which is fitting because the game is fucking shit. Shut the fuck up, dick hole.
>>739192707>had to be rushed out in 1.5 years due to Square's rules now games take more than half a decade to make and there not as good.I always read these urban legends about how games like FF7 and FF8 forced Square to cut the budget and rush games like Chrono Cross and Xenogears.
This game gave young me a lot of existential dread and sadness.
>>739193036>dick hole.This is seeth straight from a time warp in the 90s.
No doubt it helped that I had a low expectation, but after all it's a fun action rpg beside it shortcoming. The reused caves/dungeons are retarded tho.
>>739165879why deletey?
>>739192440i agree Trigger had some ass pulls too but baby daughter clone is a whole other level of what the fuck that is lore dumped on you very poorly>>739192573I dont disagree of the logistics of it but its handled so poorly. her being the spawn of schala doesn't add anything significant to the story its just poorly written in. the fact its explained poorly too in a lore dump doesn't help it's case, maybe if it was presented better or there were tells throughout the story that she's a spawn to use your words or something that'd be more interesting but not in the way it was ultimately presented
>>739193332Honestly the enemy waves were the worst part. There was almost no point in trying to position your party properly, some fucker would just spawn behind your squishies.
>>739175674I mean. The in game Chrono Cross is literally made from the tears of love and hate so that's pretty fitting.
>>739193350Move on, anon. CC was released in 1999 and everybody knows the story is shit and gets especially bad onde they try to shove in CT connections.The few fans still on copium are few and far between and their number dwindle each passing year.What a missed opportunity it was. But still a soulful piece of vidya history and one of the best OSTs ever.
>>739192707>That and not having any unique thing for Leena and Miguel.would've been an actual interesting plot point to have Leena reconnect with her, at least we got that cute scene with other world Leena at the graveyard
>>739193350Schala sends her daughter clone to save Serge becaus she's stuck on a dream devouring alien. What's so complicated about that?
>>739193471You sound hilariously unhinged.
>>739193471Anon we're in a Chrono Cross thread talking about the game what did you expect kekI still enjoy CC for what it is despite it's flaws, the presentation, the music as you said, it's all very fun, not perfect but fun
>>739193471>onde they try to shove in CT connections.What are you talking about the game was always connected.>Schala goes through time portal at the end of Trigger>Magus jumped through portal to save her>Forst thing we see is Kid (daughterclone of Schala) at the beginning of Cross>Guile is here and is Magus
>>739193536Leena does get unique dialogue with Miguel actually.
>>739188498In short devs making a lot of changes to the gameplay and delivering a buggy game, made especial worse since the previous game to this day is considered by many as the pinnacle of the series,
>>739193650Autistic anger at videogames from decades ago is the best for unhinged threads because everytime someone seethe about it they're seething at the memory of them seething about it. For 25+ the seeth just becomes a feedback loop to the point the person doesnt even remember the game. Just their memories of seething at the memories (as infitum) of the game. I bet they didnt even play it since they were kids in the year 2000.FF8 is another funny one like that.
>>739193036>It sold like fucking shit>one of square's best selling rpgs at the time>literally a greatest hits game
>>739193864What really? I tried looking for it and found scenes I never even knew existed before with weird requirements to get lol. This game is nuts.
>>739193937You make a good point and an oddly fitting one for games about time travel and generational reverberation, at that.
>>739193585just wanted it used in a more interesting way thats all
>>739181047Unf.
>>739194193The interesting way was probably going to be how it connected/affected Dracopolis (Dragopolis?... Dragonopolis?) and Harle, but being rushed to push out the game clearly made them drop that.
>>739193864got a link or something? curious about that as normally Leena leaves your party at that point in the game
I really need to replay Chrono Cross. I played radical Dreamers a few years ago for the first time and didnt expect perverted sun flowers and Magus turning into a VR trooper/space sheriff. It made so much sense why Cross has such a weird focus on that mansion too and it was cool to see the viper girl a little more.
>>739194291>https://xenogearsxenosagastudyguide.blogspot.com/p/denfaminicogamer.html>Takahashi: It was more like punching my way through. (laughs) I think I felt a sense of “I will NEVER give up” at the time.>During that time at Square Soft, there was a one year and a half cap on development. We begged them to extend it to 2 years for “Xenogears”. Even with the extension, we weren’t going to meet the deadline, and I was told to “just cut it off somewhere”. But if I cut it off, all of it would have disappeared forever, and I thought really hard about it, and the outcome is what you see in the game.I> think in the end, it probably worked out for us. If we didn’t have any of that pressure and just worked on the game until completion, there wouldn’t have been any effort to try harder.Explains a lot about Square from that era. Both why so many games ended up with unfinished elements, and why they were able to pump out so many great games quickly. Frankly, I'd take it over the modern 5-6 year+ dev times.
>>739194291Ever since I learned how they localized all the names into totally different things it made me mad. Because Harle being Tsukiyomi is supposed to clue you into the fact that she's why there are 2 moons. Not that this even fucking matters but the two moon thing was always a mystery to me until I found out someone figured it out. It's just FF9 explained it's weird moons. Also now that I'm older dear god do I hate some translations.
>>739194291if we got more on the connection between harle and kid, yknow with how they look alike and how that ties into kid's existance that would've been cool and I wouldn't scoff as hard about the daughter clone thing
>>739194610Also the allusion to Tsukuyomi probabaly has significance to Serge almost dying in a storm (Susanoo was a storm god) and Schala being hidden away (Kid is linked to fire thematically aka the sun.) Which doesnt really matter but maybe it makes the weird shit more spiritual than weird to the Japanese or something.
I just love JRPGs and sailing. I rented this from the Movie Gallery for a week as a kid and got soft-locked on the island right after you get the main ship. Still love it.
>>739194470i imagine part of that is also the fact every square ps1 game is built off of ff7 with the nature of the ps1 hardware it acted as a soft cap of how much time an artist could spend on any given scenei always wondered about the scenario where you give a dev team the same amount of time to produce a game of that scope in modern day but with modern tooling could more be done without getting cut or would the end result be roughly the same. And i don't mean HD graphics or anything I mean producing the same style of artwork but with modern dev pipelines and efficiencies that sort of thing
>>739194760>Also the allusion to Tsukuyomi probabaly has significance to Serge almost dying in a storm (Susanoo was a storm god) and Schala being hidden away (Kid is linked to fire thematically aka the sun.)thats cool, i like that
>>739194610>>739194760What magazine is this?
>>739195797I think it might be Bclub but I dont remember.
>>739194610>Kansai Accent>""Oi mate, you look absolute choice tonight, reckon you're up for a quick shag or what, you mad cunt?"I will never be not mad.
