>WW2 game >Axis tanks are OPwhy is it always the case?
>>739166686Historically accurate
>>739166686wehraboo fantasy
>>739166686Because most games don't simulate your over engineered German wankfest breaking down halfway through a fight.The only good tank the Germans produced was the Panzer 3 and its variants, everything else had major design flaws.
>>739167052Fpbp
Hollywood history probably. The Americans sent in five Shermans to deal with a Tiger because they could, not because the Tiger was 5x better.
>>739168297>over engineeredreddit meme term
>>739166686Cuz early in the war they were. But they were prone to breakdowns and took a lot of time and resources to make and bazookas/recoilless rifles hadnt been invented until halfway through the war. They started getting countered by those, molotovs and other shit, and once the war started going the other way they couldnt keep up with the Americans and Russians literally shitting out literally 800 of them per week each. Unit spam always wins out in the end and the team with the least resources always loses. Germans got too confident and kept pushing their advantage until they had no advantage left. If you're an early game build, you HAVE to wrap it up by the mid-game or you get fucked late game.
>>739166686The average retard has History Channel tier knowledge so developers have to cater to those retards otherwise they won't play their game.
>>739168297>Because most games don't simulate your over engineered German wankfest breaking down halfway through a fight.Company of Heroes 1 was fucking great for this when you consider when it came out. Even unmodded, German tanks were prone to breaking treads or engines crapping out a lot more than the Allied ones.
Americans actually had the most mechanized army during WWII and their tanks mogged >b-but muh tigermuh faggoter the fucking thing broke down more commonly than your moms
>WW2 game>German tank is a piece of shit
*wipes your sturmpios*
Their dogshit tanks couldn't survive a fucking Molotov Cocktail. Get the fuck out. Wehraboos might as well jerk off to current Russian armour performance in Ukraine. Same shit.
>>739166686They're cool. Tanks and battle ships are really sweet. Carriers and drones are gay.
>>739169114you lost the second world war
>>739169124you all lost the second world war, goyim
>>739169114carriers are sweet
>>739169264no sorry. airfields are also not cool.
>>739166686Not this shit again...German tanks were decisively superior for most of the war. By the time they started getting to late '43 they no longer had the resources to keep innovating and the build quality of each tank started to tank.
>>739169393>socialists>innovating
>>739169393>German tanks were decisively superior for most of the warNobody tell him which tank was the workhorse of the German army.
>>739169492Well if you really want to go there, the traitorous jews in the US sold state secrets to the soviets which enabled them to standardize and mass produce t34s and led to the cold war. Yes. It's ALWAYS the fucking Jews.
now I got the itch to reinstall CTA again
>>739169507The doctrine was to use tanks to push weak points. The workhorse doesn't need to be the one going up against enemy armor. That didn't happen a whole lot until the late years.
>>739169675>The workhorse doesn't need to be the one going up against enemy armorIt does when there's so very little of your napkinwaffe most of the western front armies' soldiers have never even seen a Tiger or a Panther. Also I'd like to know in what dimension early Panzer IIIs and IVs were superior to anything when they both got their shit pushed in by 37 mm Bofors and 37 mm Bofors armed 7TPs as far back as 1939 and then later in 1940 and 1941 couldn't deal with French and r*ssian heavies so badly so they had to bring in stationary 88s or Stukas to deal with them.
>>739168995the worst is the T34 that shit rapes infantry and tanks
>>739169843From reading your argument, you wouldn't guess those were some of the most decisive battles in human history.
>>739168627>Making your tank overly complex when a simpler solution would solve the problem and make it easier to fix is reddit actually
>>739169910What are you even babbling about now? Both Panzer IIIs and IVs got absolutely dumpstered in a head to head engagements up until someone decided to dump the long 75 mm into the Panzer IV. Did your ChatGPT tardwrangler break so you have to resort to moving the goalpost?
>>739168770I'd argue early in the war they were actually a good deal worse then allied counterparts, relying a lot on Pz. II or sometimes even Pz. I, while French had superior numbers of better-armed and better-armoured S35, B1 etc, it's just Germans used them better with concentrating large numbers and using radios to coordinate maneuvers and achieve breakthrough (with heavy aerial support which was actually German saving grace early on) in weaker-defended spots and quickly surge to occupy the important areas/cutoffs instead of spreading them between infantry and engaging in grinding combatRussians also had a great deal more tanks even early on (and it was their early T26s which got countered by Molotovs in Finnish war, Molotov's a Finnish invention), but their massed panzer corps counterattacks were simply stepped aside, outflanked and encircled or encountered prepared defences with AT, a lot of artillery and, once again, air support, and got shredded/outright wiped out.Important thing to understand, in tank-on-tank action Germans preferred to outflank and bait out Allied counterparts to then destroy them with artillery/air force, instead of engaging head-on, and then utilising the created empty space. Possibly motivated by the fact their tanks were significantly WORSE and fewer, but it proved to be an extremely good call, and a much better application of tanks in mobile warfare then anything else either side managed later.Later, better Pz. IVs/Tigers came out and briefly allowed domination on the battlefield itself and more head-on assaults, but it was not the right call in strategic sense, repeating earlier Russian mistakes, and Wehrmacht lost the logistical capacity to sustain strategically significant breakthroughs by then.Later in the war, Allies caught up or even superceded Axis in quality (quantity was always firmly on their side), mainly because of various material shortages Germans started having. But desu it didn't matter much at that point.
why do internet retards care about tank on tank so much
>>739166686Tanks are the only thing the germans did fine, imo.>navybritish was best>air forcebritish fighters and american bombers was best.>tanks germans had the best, japs had the worst.
>>739169393>superiorNo, they wasn't. Early german tanks 39-41 were trash. 42-43 they get upper hand, but in 44-45 they become trash again
>>739166686German tanks are the coolest. Why do you fags have to make everything political everytime?
>>739170219>Germans had the bestOnly in looks.Btw, hood exploded from 1 hit.
so from what I understand german tanks weren't good but usually were piloted by vets
Germ tanks was only good against civilians. That's all.
>>739170234they don't even look cool
>>739170276>hood exploded from 1 hitdoesn't mean a great deal
>>739170347They do though you just have shit taste
>>739170234They're cool but they're not as good as retards ITT desperately want them to be. At the end of the day tactics and logistics wins not whoever has the thickest frontal armor or the best gun.
>>739170276>be bismarck>kill Hood>the brits are fucking seething>bismarck dead 3 days laterbrits dont take insults like this lightly.
>>739169393Like the other anons have said, early war panzers often were little better than their allied opponents, sometimes quite inferior. A combination of well-trained crews and tactics on their side and flawed tactics on the other often meant they had the edge in many engagements.
>>739170390they look like a child's drawing of a tank
>>739166686because games dont usually simulate logistics at all which is where the tanks sucked. In games the super heavy meembunkers will always have fuel and will never spontaneously break down under their own weight/power so the only thing left is the hilarious armor and huge guns they had, which from a videogame perspective is pretty much all that matters. Most games will at least limit you to less tanks somehow if you're going heavy german tanks, but even then if you have any cover/support at all then you can cover your flanks and easily 1-v-anything if you can force it to stay in front of you
>>739170439Children's drawings are the purest form of art.
>>739168995what'd you say, Ivan?
>>739170569>just tanks some sort of rocket launcher shot, and a panther shot just finewew lad
any tank games?
>>739167052fpbp!>>739168105>>739168297>>739168603seething
>>739170569at last, after years of begging lelic for t-70 nerfs
>>739166686Name 1 (one) good tank game, please.
>>739169016I'm sure they were pretty good at the start of the war. Remember WWI ended with tanks that were more like an armored can on treads and a machine gun. Most of Europe was still on that state of warfare when the war began. My country only had rifles from the late 1800s and armored cars, zero tanks.
>>739170729
>WW2 game>Tutorial Campaign: America>Easy Campaign: Germany>Medium Campaign: Britain>Hard Campaign: Russia>Very Hard Campaign: Japan
>>739170729aren't any>>739170802ywnbaw
>WW2/tank game discussion>almost always boil down to wehraboos vs slavs
>>739170902>ywnbawOkay, and?
>>739166686Get wundderwaffenAlso get ass raped by always being outnumbered
>>739170926no, everyone dumps on slavshit
>>739170682the t-70 is easily the best light vehicle in gamefucks with 90% of axis light vehiclesthat said I prefer the su-76, especially if I secure munitions early.Russia has some crazy good light vehicles
>>739170008It wad autism. Hitler was a sperg
>>739170008>>Making your tank overly complexCompletely made up reddit meme90% of axis tank fleet had hand crack aimingThere was nothing complex or "over engineered" about german tanksThe difference is allies had spare parts and fuel
>>739168105Not really, it's historically accurate.They're still shit, but they're less shit than *everything* else during that period.Except maybe Australia's homegrown tank that never saw production.Sherman was the only good production allied tank.
>>739170112Interesting insight, thanks anon. Appreciate it.
>>739170990Nodody dumps on slavshit harder than other Slavs. Seriously look up the Polish and Ukrainian alt rights. That's a completely diffrent world of Autism and wehrabooism
>>739170926That's because that was the most important front in europe, and where most tanks were used
>>739171227>Sherman was the only good production allied tank.where do you get this nonsense from
>>739171352reality
>>739171384gaylord
>>739171352Well it won a war so.... also weird how america forgot the lesson from it that the mass produced cheap shit will defeat superior technology. See Iran "war" and Russo Ukrainian shitshow.
>>739171384*Squirts flames over your bunker* Churchill Crocodile
>>739171464>mass produced cheap shit will defeat superior technologywhat superior technology
>>739171506Well an automatic anti air gear is more advanced than a Plastic drone.
German engineering was retarded but based.
>>739170620>just fine It clearly lost healthpoints
>>739171596I meant in ww2
>>739170729squad 44 (it's dead)https://youtu.be/mqyFYqrCMIo
>Klimenkov's IS-2 took out two Tiger IIs.>Udalov's IS-2 took out three Tiger IIs.>Belyakov's IS-2 took out one Tiger II.>Oskin, supported by artillery, took out three Tiger IIs.>A raid by elements of the 53rd GTB captured four Tiger IIs.>the german command attributed these losses to "massive anti tank defense"
>>739168825that game twas so overwhelming i couldn't even fight the higher difficulty bots let alone other players but god damn i still loved it
>>739166686Either because the devs don't really know much or to try to pander to players like ErwinRommel99. If you played any tank game you know what I mean. The kind of people who think that Tigers are invincible and screech because a 85mm shell can penetrate Tiger's unangled front.>>739171217>There was nothing complex or "over engineered" about german tanksEngines and transmissions. Panzer 4 and StuG variants hit a sweet spot between quality and utility, while everything after them that is considered iconic range from over engineered but useful to complete pieces of shit that couldn't crest a hill without bursting into flames. What could in other tanks be repaired by illiterate potato farmers required factory conditions and replacement tanks didn't exist so the crew couldn't just hop into another one.
>>739171751Putin propagand-ack
>>739170234>box>box>boxFridge is cooler.
>>739171757"difficult" bots are difficult in a different way to players. if you were avoiding multiplayer until you could beat x highest difficulty bots that would be a mistake
>>739171757And CoH1 is especially casual-friendly compared to 2 and 3 (especially 2, where things can go sideways instantly)
>>739171617I'm telling you it was 100% autism
>>739171464t-34s won the war and shermans helped a bit
It turns out massive tanks with massive guns is great when you're fighting in the wide open steppe, but actually pretty shit in dense hedgerows and hill terrain.
I HATE you soo much!
The Kessel... home...
>>739171757>that game twas so overwhelming i couldn't even fight the higher difficulty bots let alone other players but god damn i still loved itYeah back in the day I used to be able to take on 3 or 4 highest difficulty bots on my own (on a normal map, not on that one fag chokepoint map everyone used to play) but when I went back for another playthru a year or so ago I dont have it in me anymore. Solo MMR I floated around Rank 7 or 8, middle of the pack. I fucking miss COH1 competitive matches so much man, and the Shoutcasts people used to do as well.
>>739172067is CoH1 really more casual friendly then Coh2 and even 3? I never played the 1st one, but I assumed that CoH3 felt the most casual friendly desu
>>739174223yesit has the lowest ttk and is the least microintensive
>>739170112Early in the war Germans had nothing that could pen KV-1's, they just relied on speed and air superiority. What's the point engaging in tank battles when you can immobilize it and bomb it with planes?
>>739174392That's a good tl;dr of my post
>>739168995Are those blue/red paint fucking necessary
>>739167052Didn't the soviets develop a tank that was pretty much imposible for the Axis to overcome?
>>739170897Hell yeah, really got 10yr old me into tanks and ww2
>>739175560They just made them in larger numbers and with decent logistic system.German tanks were "better" (firepower, armor, speed) but they were extremely clunky to maneuver, very expensive (and slow) to produce and their logistic system for spare parts was a always a mess.Wonder weapons never wins wars, unless you have them in large numbers and with the logistics to support them.
>>739175687It ironically had better penetration mechanics than games that came much later
>>739171751Reading up on the Tiger II's combat history was hilarious, just a long list of constant fuck ups.
>>739175797Yeah it does. Pity we don't really get these types of games out of Japan anymore
>>739175783Well yeah, the one with better logistics wins attrition wars most of the time. Being able to replace your loses quick is more important than quality.
>>739175978They definitely have the better kind of 'tism for these games than snowniggers do. Unfortunately only the latter do vehicle combat games anymore.
>>739175560Arguably, it wasn't until the T-10 that the USSR had a tank that could reliably push the best of the Krauts' equipment in (T-54s were still getting beaned by Panzer-IVs in the middle east postwar), but what the Soviets did have was fuel, a working industrial base, and ammunition.
A lot of Wehraboo fetishization and Third Reich wank came from Western sources to be used as anti Soviet propaganda, but I genuinely don't understand why. Wouldn't the truth that Germany caught both France and the USSR with their pants down be more humiliating?
>>739175298having different colours for teammates is good
>>739176195>T-54s were still getting beaned by Panzer-IVs in the middle east postwardelusions grandeur
>>739175560all they did was slap an ever increasingly fuckhuge cannon that barely anything could survive onto a shitbox, then spammed the fuck out of them
>>739177356The simplest solution is almost always the best
>>739171617
>>739167052Axis tanks sucked ass, the only thing worse than them was the T34 and that was not because it was a worse design, but because it was built like shit.
>>739177876t-34 was actually very well built + used submerged arc welding and stamped turret, it was very novel
>>739177926>t-34 was actually very well builtyeah, until it wasn't
>>739177876>2 man turret>dogshit main gun>no radioslollmao
>>739177983so in like most cases except 2 factories in a span of 1 year
Pz4 wasnt something super special.The Tiger was good in its role but was overextended to doing tasks it wasnt meant to do wearing it down way to fast.The Panther was a great tank after all the fixes were done and that was far too late.The Tiger 2 had some great design feats and many countries tried to take the good things out of it an use it on their own projects. And that mainly just meant lowering it's armor to non ridicilous weight lvls and designing a stronger engine while putting their own guns on it.And the Stug which is usually avoided in these conversations was probably the deadliest tank killer in the entire war.I say this when i'm a british tank enjoyer.
>>739178027I never said they built a lot of T34s to spec.
>>739168627Having track links with oil lubrication is over engineering.
>>739168297>over engineeredYeah as opposed to Soviet tanks that were glorified moving targets
>>739167052FPBPHEIL HITLER
>>739178361It's important to differentiate the design itself from quality of assembly. They definitely had issues with fitting parts together, but as a tank design, t-34 was very good.
>>739177926The only well built T-34s were post war 85s built in Poland and Czechoslovakia. Also>air filter that kills the engine in ~100 kmYeah
>>739178304>And the Stug which is usually avoided in these conversations was probably the deadliest tank killer in the entire war.I'm sure any field gun of your choice is way better. also obligatory judging ww2 tanks by tank on tank stats is gay
The main issues German tanks had - production resources, mechanical reliability, and especially fuel availability - don't really translate easily or enjoyably into casual gameplay. On paper Panzer IVs and Tigers are awesome, so they're awesome in games.
>>739178671The first designs with two man turret weren't combat effective. T-34-85 was great though.
>>739170008such as?
>>739171932>couldn't crest a hill without bursting into flamesmore leddit memes, love how you internet historians are all retarded autists incapable of doing nothing but repeating what you read on leddit
>>739169337Airfields are cool
>>739168297their main problem was that they produced tank not in industrial production line like usa or societs but in artisan way like fucking feudal guilds
>>739170667wtf that tank just drove straight in and presented its ass
>>739170662It's like the video game adaption of the Patton's Best boardgame, but all the tedious math is done by the computer. It's the closest we'll get for a tank commander roleplaying game. It can get rather brutal depending on what tank you're riding.
>>739166686Pop fiction has associated germany with quality over quantity so most games follow this design philosophy and the krauts end up being the late-game faction with best in class for their type but struggle early game. This leaves the other faction with doing the natural opposite of good early game and timing (T-70 my love). I think it should be inverse and they kinda tried to do this in COH3 with DAK but this didn't really work out because of game mechanics and other bad choices in COH3. It doesn't help that game mechanics can't really portray the failings of german stuff (logistics, resource shortages, manpower, etc) or game mechanics means that it might not matter, like a popcap means that if you field roughly the same amount then german stuff will be better as thats by design.
>>739179783Wouldn't have made any difference since the Panther and the raketenwerfer can always penetrate the t-34-85 at that range due to being made in Krupp forges by aryan gunsmiths
>/k/ocksuckers have to invade /v/eddit in order to cry about wehraboos nowadays
>>739179594But that actually happened. There's a lot of eyewitnesses of Tiger's engines bursting into flames just by driving uphill.
>>739180543fuck forgot to resize again
niggers
>>739180829>one job
Achtung, cowboy. Can you point me to Her Eisenhower?
>>739166686Call to Arms Gates of Hell would like to introduce you to basedviet super heavy tanks like the Joseph Stalin series, the huge Su 152s and endless T34/85s. But in all seriousness the cannons and optics of German panzers were very effective. for example Panthers being able to tango with IS(joseph stalin tanks).
>>739178775It was combat effective, the importance of 3 man turret crew is overstated>>739178697>air filter that kills the engine in ~100 kmso like every ww2 tank having issues>The only well built T-34s were post war 85s built in Poland and Czechoslovakiamost of them were well built except for a couple factories during first months of war
Tigers in Call to Arms are definitely a 'stop what you're doing and find a way to kill it or it's going to walk through all of your armor' situation
For me it was the STUG
>>739166686these games cant really show where the german tanks excelled at which was at an operational levelthey had great coordination and tactics and a doctrin which allowed their effective use this was especially during the early parts of the warthe problem is that most games dont really incorporate this into their game so they have to substitute their effectiveness with improved stats
>le soviets won the waramericans won the war by supplying 80% of the soviets ammo, fuel and logistical equipment to them
my Tiger was doing miracles until he decided to turn around?
>>739166686>WW2 game>russians are portrait as savage animals who kill their ownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR3F8IFPbw
>>739179594German documents specifically mention Ferdinand's abysmally dogshit ability to deal with inclines at Kursk and especially in Italy.
>>739181183>so like every ww2 tank having issues>most of them were well built except for a couple factories during first months of war
>>739181456>there was at one point in time propped up by propaganda, the idea that russians arent bloodthirsty tards that love killing their subordinates>monkes special op completely wiped out that idea and reestablished their shitty tacticslmao
>>739181443The "AI" in Gates of Hell is absolute dogshit because that engine was never intended to handle this much AI.
>>739181659I wonder how long will it take for mouthbreathers to forget snowniggers are worse than animals.
>>739167052>enter
>>739181659>>monkes special op completely wiped out that idea and reestablished their shitty tacticsliterally every country feared russians/red army over the nazis in the actual war because of cruel they were.
>>739181661On Heroic difficultly with 3 seperate AI mods, less arty spam, more infantry and armor, better defenses. It's no longer what you described.
>>739181769>3 seperate AI modsYeah, no, I don't believe this at all.
>>739181659
>>739170729Gates of Hell Ostfront is a tank game masquerading as a strategy game.
>>739181865>ukraine claimsIt's literally pic rel at this point. Both sides are equally retarded although at least one of them is rightfully defending itself.
>>739172375Shermans helped a lot; the Soviets used thousands of them thanks to the lend-lease. T-34 and Sherman were brothers in arms. The latter had a tendency to tip over a bit more, but that just gave it charm.
>>739181865Yeah, I'm sure this ridiculous propaganda will return their pre-2014 territories to them.
>>739182469>ridiculous propagandaholy cope>>739182154Why would ukies lie?
>>739167052Trannies have zero retort to this
>>739182562trannies are wehraboos
>>739166686Games generally don’t have to deal with mechanical issues from its over the top weight or fuel shortages. And generally the sides have a loose attempt at balance. A tiger that doesn’t run out of fuel or break down or get stuck in the snow? That isn’t outnumbered 20-1? That would be a big problem from allied tanks.
Wasn't there a Tiger 2 that destroyed 30 soviet tanks defending the Brandenburg gate before it was destroyed? Ironically I think by running over a german mine when trying to reposition
>>739166686Even latest german tanks are pure trash
>>739182835It was already anti tank at that point. KV2 also had similar record
>>739166686>WW2 game>Germans are the 'elite' units that are more expensive but stronger>USSR is swarm faction>Britain has some kind of gimmick>USA is the all rounders with decent everything
>>739182549To get more EU gibs?
>>739169016>current Russian armour performance in UkraineDrones are so fucking gay manthey are ruining everything cool about warfarethe dream of being the ungabunga warrior with sword or gun and performing heroics on a battlefield is pretty much dead and it's just going to get worse once the drones are fully automated -- being a human on a battlefield is going to REALLY SUCK from now on
>>739181865There's video with Ukrainian guy eating remains of other Ukrainian guy. He recorded it himself. Famous video.
>>739182991they get that anyway entire EU is preparing for a war with russia.
>>739177926It was designed to be built at any small casual factory. Since soviets didn't had any big because of civil war.
>>739182992Its sucked since the use of massed artillery was perfected in the Napoleonic era, and every development since from the machine gun to the FPV drone has made it even more miserable
>>739183132it happened 20 years after civil war vro
>>739182992>Drones are so fucking gay manAI drones are kino though.
as gay and retarded as germany is, having more asymmetry than in reality is fun
>>739182992>they are ruining everything cool about warfareTanks already ruined it decades before.
>>739166686Wheraboos are fairly shit upon, but ignoring logistical problems german tanks were the best in the war. In a realistic situation they lose to other countries because it doesn't matter if you have company of super tanks when your enemy has divisions of good enough tanks far cheaper and easier to maintain than german tanks, but since most games like this are just quick head to head tank battles with no logistics the raw statastical surperiority of german tanks obviously can outperform their worse but more strategically viable counterparts from other countries.
>>739166686cuz it is. >>739167052fpbp
>>739180640can you provide something to back up your claims?
>>739176271It was much worse. Ussr was literally created by Germans. >Tzar was anti jew, Germany was loosing ww1>Germans helped with revolution twice, killed Tzar>All of Bolsheviks, their advisors etc come from Germany with German troops that were pretending to be someone else (ex, they pretended to be from Baltic states).>Close contacts with Stalin >37-39 purges started because germans asked him >He killed most of officers >Japanese army before ww2 confirmed that a lot of soviet troops were controlled by Germans.
>>739182992romanticizing death on the battlefield was always a psyop for retarded goyimi personally can't wait for footage from fully automated killing machines, what takes palantir so long
>>739167052Only for a very short amount after the introduction of Tiger 1 and Panther, which were notoriously unreliable on top of that. Germans just had better doctrine and radio communication and took advantage of defensive posturing at the final years of the war.
>>739171268This. Most famous anti commie (anti slav) guy icon was from Poland.His dad was killed by Germans. His mother was raped by Germans and their allies. Maybe she was prostitute, idk.It's official information. He was orphan, saved by soviets, raised by them. Yet instead of hating Germans, he hated commies (slavs only).
>>739183630Ukrainian/Russian/other slav neonazis have horseshit for brains, biggest idiots on the planet.
>>739170667>>739170569kino
>>739176271When Germany attacked the USSR they were literally bombed 24/7 already. Make it even more impressive they did that well there. Americans can't even beat Iran anymore, when they have bases everywhere there.
nuff said
>>739167052holy based
>>739181865It is normal for Russians fucking and eating each together.
>>739182990yeah like Germany = protoss (advanced/magic)USSR = zerg (expendable + cheap)USA = terran (all rounders)
>>739183471>Germansjews, you mean.the kaiser was a jewish puppet, the revolutionary leaders were jewish, the bolshevik leadership was almost entirely jewish. everywhere you look you see jews.
>>739183813>When Germany attacked the USSR they were literally bombed 24/7 alreadyNuh yeh.Sure, there were the 1940 raids on Berlin that made Hitler choose the bombing of civilian targets in London as opposed to earlier purely military targets, but the first major air raid on Germany herself was Schweinfurt on August 17, 1943 and that was deemed by the 8th Air Force to be unsustainable due to losses from enemy fighters, because the escort fighters didn't have enough range yet.Sure, there were Fighter Command sweeps into France (Rhubarbs and Circusses) and Bomber Command raids also into France but they didn't do much damage and of course France is not Germania.
>>739167052fpbp and based
>>739182990>WW2 game>USA focuses on infantry and artillery because for most of the campaign they fight the Japanese on the islands>Germany focuses a limited amount of elite units and screening then with trash to limit the losses of your elites>CCCP is tank spam
>unironic wehraboo behaviour in the big '26Neonazi larping is a brown person thing now, for indonesian teens on instagram reels and lolifags on xitter. Move on.
>>739181853Go look on the workshop yourself retarded nigger.
what is it about games developed by russians including the most retarded shit possible
>>739166686>>739167052Germans had some early innovations like protected ammo and commanders cupola, and Panther and King Tiger were decent designs, but overall Germans tanks were pretty bad with poor performance despite high cost.>>739175560You're thinking of the KV-1 which was an excellent early war tank, albeit pretty expensive. In general the Soviet doctrine evolved to have tanks specialized in tactical niches, T34-85 for "mbt" and IS-2 for breakthrough, but most crucially the Soviets focussed on making sure their tanks would attrition favorably with Germans by making them simple to make while focussing only on things like armor and firepower and ignoring things like crew comfort.>>739171352The Sherman was a decent design with regards to its design specs, it just turned out that post war it became apparent that making tanks easy to transport wasn't worth how tall and narrow it made them.
>>739182991But the EU will gladly pay up for more dead ziggers.
>>739185569And yet it's the piggers that are dying. They're even droning their own men when they try to surrender.
>>739178304I think British tanks suck ass but I also love them because you can usually tell what design logic and industrial limitations resulted in the questionable design choices.
>>739180829It's weird being an Euro and American tanks being my passion which is niche here but I'd imagine it's not across the pond.
>>739180829niggers
>>739184285Americans are way more Zerg like with basically unlimited industrial capacity, air spam, and also having the most advanced tech for asymmetric tactics.
>>739185996counterpoint: valentine
>>739186295Fair. I love my pocket heavy tanks.
>>739183463
>>739166686My favorite bit is trying to design the ultimate WW2 casemate tank and just ending up accidentally recreating the SU-100. A lot of the late war Soviet Tanks were basically the platonic ideals of optimal tank design.
>>739186295Valentine: American
>>739185996It wouldn't have been so bad if they actually tested the machines. But after Dunkirk, they were forced to pull whatever they have from the drawing board and into the factory. And to be fair, the Crusader's 2-pounder could blow through all Italian tanks and early Panzer III's.
I was at Kubinka recently, it was neat. Somehow the Maus is the least interesting part, they have it shoved in a shed behind a railway gun, I almost didn't notice it. It is really fucking big though, way bigger than you expect, like two buses stacked on top of each other. What was Porsche smoking?Also, BMP-2s are really cramped on the inside. I understand now why even with drones around you'd take the risk to ride on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHRjIx28HX0
What could have been....
>>739187348*gets bombed epic style**runs out of fuel**breaks the bridge and gets stuck in a ditch**can't keep up with advance, abandoned**can't keep up with retreat, abandoned*
>>739187348>What could have been....
Ruskies getting big mad over COH2 eastern front campaign was some hilarious shit.Those slavic mongrels have such hysterical national fantasy about the nature of that war and go fucking rabid when anyone challenges the pure propaganda slop of the "great patriotic war" narrative they've fed with. The true nature of that front was the kikes who ran soviet union throwing endless waves of men against the germans and winning trough sheer atrition, with zero care for the casualities inflicted on the population they were dominating. You can see the same shit going in Ukraine right now lel.
>>739187478BASED
>>739184285>protoss (advanced/magic)Most transportation was done by horses
>>739187492>and go fucking rabid when anyone challenges the pure propaganda slop>regurgitates propaganda slopThe Eastern Front was unprecedented misery and cruelty for and from everyone
>>739184783>now
>>739187478>>739187440The mud is festering, the Katyushas are singing, what a beautiful day for abandooningVghhh... I'm retreating.. I'm.. ABANDOOOOONING I'M SCOOOOTLINGOH FUCKKKK IT'S NOT GETTING ANYWHERE
>>739187660In my opinion, the krauts were too kind to the slavs.
>>739187492>You can see the same shit going in Ukraine right now lel.you can even see them seething in this very threads absolute hilarious
>>739187348>fuckhuge battleship turret>oversized chasis with little coverage to compensate>a fucking vehicle baya baneblade would've been more practical
>>739169124Geez, he struck a nerve just saying vehicles are cool. Hitler STILL brutally buckbreaking people into submission to this day lol. Sounds like...... victory.
>>739187932Modern russian national identity is largely based on their fantasies about WW2 and the narratives they have woven about how they defeated the krauts. In ruskie rhetoric the term nazi has entirely different connotations than it does in the west, and basically boils down to "enemy of russia". It's funny how in some of the more fringe circles of ruskie politics hitler is not hated for his politics, but because in their view he "betrayed" Stalin. These ruskies would have been just fine working together with the krauts against the "anglos" because for far longer in the russian mindset the eternal enemy has been UK rather than germany.
>>739187902Allowing a Germany to exist post-war was a kindness they didn't deserve and Europe is still suffering its consequences.
>>739188103>t. Shlomo Goldstein
>>739171479>*Squirts flames over your bun-ACKACKACKACKACK*
>>739187902DIRLEGAAANG!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSJXq7UnXS4
If the T34 was so good, how did the Germans blow up nearly 50,000 of them?
>>739171217>looks at tiger track system and how to change it outNo, no it is not
>>739188412Because they had tanks. In 1943 and onwards the Red Army had 4x as many tanks as the Wehrmacht and producing twice as many.
>>739187660that's the nature of the slav in war time, you still see how they fight today
>>739167052fpbp. its like asking why cavalry are fast in games.what a retarded thread
>>739187492Russia should've killed everyone who spoke German and erased all the cities. Subhuman people that cause nothing but barbarity
>>739187492>You can see the same shit going in Ukraine right now lel.That war really exposed that shithole. Just a bunch of insects happy to let their fellow man die by the thousands for nothing. Disgusting
what does the z mean?
>>739167052this
>>739187716It was always retarded and underage behavior but it really amped up recently.
>>739170008>muh they lost because of minute detail no.13251246>just make a billion panzer 4's brotypical historyfag failure to identify cause & effect>>739169016>Their dogshit tanks couldn't survive a fucking Molotov Cocktail.Anon, the name molotov cocktail came about from the finns, who used them to destroy Soviet tanks
Lazerpigs existence has had a catastrophic effect.
>>739183421muttoids and sherman cuckboys hate the fact that german tanks could fire with much better accuracy than shermans due to superior design
>>739169492Yeah the krauts had a lot of problems with that
>>739187660Dudes will say this shit but then idealize Soviet Partisans and fail to see the irony at all.
>>739187478Please stop, Anon. My penis can only get so erect
>>739169337>bombs your cities into dust
>>739189020>fire with much better accuracyThey couldn't even fire on the move XD
>>739188940is that fat cuckold enthusiast allowed to talk about the abysmal performance of Merkavas in Lebanon or do his handlers not like it
>>739188741That is the true nature of slavic soul. I don't even make any difference between ukies and ruskies, they are the same shit to me.
>>739168603and they still jobbed to the tiger
>>739186353>proves me right by posting a piece that proves they didn't catch fire going uphillnice one retard
>>739189059I genuinely think that krauts didn't go far enough with their repression of partisans. All partisans are scum.
>>739188940The moment that fat faggot tried to be anything but a joker was that thing's downfallChieftain putting it in it's place is always nice.
>>739189342>>739188940Quick rundown?
>>739189125they could and they did XD
>>739189431They literally had to re-sight the KwK 43 every time the tank moved.
>>739166686Because Americans learn about the blitzkrieg in school and assume it just mean that Germans were winning because they had the mostest and the bestest tanks. In reality they had far fewer tanks than the allied forces they were fighting and their workhorse tanks were generally outdated by '41, while the "modern" replacements were never built to scale nor around long enough to have their teething issues solved. But that doesn't fit the narrative.
>>739189331Imagine unironically crying about cruel reprisals when you shoot soldiers in the back of the head in civilian clothing and torture and mutilate captured soldiers, absolutely pathetic.
Enough with the slav hatred, where is the hatred for the eternal angloids?
>>739189395Gay man makes funny videos making fun of things, pretends that he knows better and makes things up for a video and calls it fact. Tanker says "you're probably wrong" and it leads to a faggot meltdown.You can probably find it in a /vg/ archive
>>739189470>gunner slightly turns the knob on the sightdamn that was hard
>>739189540It bears reminding that a lot of the partisans were kikes and they behaved the exact way you'd expect jews to act.
>>739189573Look at the UK right now, I think they're reaping what they sewed already.
>>739189668They deserve worse. Tons of them still celebrate Churchill and hold onto their ridicilous war propaganda narratives about WW2. If slavs are delusional about that war, anglos are even worse about it. I for one, feel zero empathy for them and their issues with the rape gangs and brownoids invading their lands, given that this is the world they quite literally fought for.
>>739189796I personally despise the wider anglosphere in general, quite frankly. The worst ideas come from there, and the world is arguably a worse place because of them.
>>739171464>superior technology>iran
>>739166686The Jews own you.
>>739175560IS-3 is OP, but King Tiger looks much cooler.
>>739183813Cardboard ayatollah status?
>>739189908Agreed. Their influence on Europe especially has been wholly detrimental for centuries at this point.
>>739190071America itself has done more damage to Europe than any other nation on Earth. China wouldn't dream of doing the things the US has to Europe.
>>739180640You're thinking of the Porsche Tiger and the Ferdinand/Elephant
>>739190027IS-4 is the best IS
>>739190187Yeah, which is precisely why I hold USA and americans in utter contempt and am quite happy about their ongoing decline. It is just extremely unfortunate that a lot of European leaders are so mindraped by pro-atlantic co-operation bs that they for some asinine reason act like USA is our friend, and that american interests are also our own interests. You can see it most clearly in the rhetoric about China coming from EU politicians. It is fucking nonsensical. If anything, we have everything to gain from China growing in power and at least checking USA as a competing hegemon, especially if we maintain good trade relations with the chinks. Instead, so many EU politicians are gunho about opposing china because USA wants to prevent China from growing in strenght.
>>739190357IS 4 was made post war.
>>739187478VGH.......
>>739187478
>>739190415I feel like if a game has the IS-3 in it there's a good chance the IS-4 is there also tho
>>739190187>>739190402Implessive
>>739190402Most EU politicians are going to act in the interest of their masters, but that ideology won't last forever. When European states actually have to act in European interests reality will set in fairly quick I imagine.
>>739183615The only decent reply in a sea of spiggers basedfacing to Hitler hyperborea edits.
>>739190854I sure as fuck hope so. I saw the retarded leaders of my country (Finland) sign us up to join Nato and buy amerimut jet fighters in response to the whole Ukraine war shit when a more sensible policy would have been strenghtening our military co-operation with the swedes who have a genuine strategic interest in our eastern border as well, and invest in their gripens etc. It would have been cheaper, and more adaptable strategy in the long term than tethering ourselves to the shitfest that is murrica's declining empire. Especially at a time when our own economy is in the shitter, yet our fucking demented leaders are wasting our money on getting to the 5 percent gdp minium of military spending Trump insisted for regarding nato. If that money was at least spent on actually building up our own national military industry I'd be at least somewhat ok with it but no, it goes to buying hardware from the americans and fucking kikes from israel.
>>739191221Blindly buying next-gen Gripen would've been even more retarded
>>739186205by stealing kraut techs - operation paperclip and "intellectual reparations" aka stole all German patents for "free" to leapfrog USA's development and research.
>>739191221Finns are so based
>>739191438Imo, it would be preferrable for us and Swedes to have shared military hardware when it comes to high end stuff like jet fighters etc because especially in our case, we can't really support the industry to build such hardware by ourselves. Tethering ourselves to murrican supply chains and tech is however PEAK retardation because of the following reasons.1. USA is an unreliable partner, who has zero actual strategic reason to give a fuck about what happens to Finland in a conflict scenario with Russia.2. American priorities are with Israel, and they are more than willing to redirect military hardware there over their other "allies".3. Murrican weapon systems almost certainly have killswitches and shit they can use to shut them off as a coersive measure against nations reliant on their tech.
>>739187348It is fun to steamroll all foes with the ratte in HOI4.
>>739189668True!
>>739191221I hate Nato too. Finland should give more land to Puccia to ensure its own safety in the future ))t. Peka Suomenski
>>739189573You are literally speaking our language you disgusting ugly subhuman. Kneel
>>739192014Euros falling for the Atlanticist/Eurasianist dichotomy is why it is stuck in such a miserable state.
>>739192112They speak your language because you're too stupid to speak theirs.
>>739182992Not my problem
>>739191628A glimpse into the mind of the typical eurotard peasant truly is something to behold. A deeply superstitious lot who know no gods but Marx and Lenin.
>>739184285>An unmanned squadron of Third Reich Manta Raumjägers, attacking the US mainland. Ca. 1952.jpgGimmie more alternative history goodies
>>739182990>UK is the plane faction because no one cares about navy in RTS>France is the static defense faction that just turtles until they die>Italy is the weak everything faction, at least they're cheap and fast>Japan is the gimmick faction, probably related to melee
>>739192014>if you don't blindly suck amerimut dick you are a ruskie!You can hate both russia and usa, you retarded dipshit. Neither of those nations have our interests in mind, the kikes who control USA would gladly let every single Finn die in some meat grinder war against Russia if it came to that without sending any fucking help to us because form murrican pov Finland is an irrelevant periphery nation whose only value is in us creating another front against Russia. The wider detroit area has more fucking niggers in it than there are Finns in our lands. To american leaders our people have zero value. Allying ourselves with them is fucking insane.
>>739192258I see no counter arguments, while mine are entirely based on observed amerimut behavior and statements from your leaders. Murrican government is entirely beholden to the interest of jews, who in turn care absolutely nothing for the long term survival of any European peoples because they fucking hate Europeans on racial grounds.
100 years of analysis later and no one can agree on anything about this war. I'm fucking sick of it.Why the fuck are academics so obsessed with playing "gotcha!" anyway? "Oh, that tank that everybody's agreed was really good for 80 years? It was actually SHIT!!!!" Like just kill yourself bro
>>739189573Im Anglo and I hate slavs so much its unreal. We built the internet, they ruined it with the troll farm culture war astroturfing. We dont hate them enough.
>>739192481Unironically why I've come to despise history as a discipline. So much talking out one's ass it's unbelievable.
>>739191628Gripen E would've in more serious contender if there were more to show than one prototype and production starting soon™.
>>739192501I see slavics like this and I can honestly see why the germans thought people with that skull shape were inferior
>>739190187>China wouldn't dream of doing the things the US has to Europe.lol, lmao even. Ok Chang.
>>739192318>UK is the plane faction because no one cares about navy in RTSThat's not the reasonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_May_Island
>>739192596>least braindead NATO shill
>>739192578Yeah, true enough. Maybe at some point when the swedes get off their ass and start actually pumping those out we Finns will also start buying them. It is in our long term interests to distance ourselves from any reliance on USA because USA is not a reliable ally or friend to Europe.
>>739192587None of them have chins. Hot women though if you can get past the fucked up teeth they all have.
>>739192587That's why they are designed to be expendable. The history and Ukraine war confirm this firmly.
>>739189668>sow:>opposition to european socialists>reap:>your country gets fucked up by socialistshow is this a good thing
Tank tier listAmerican > German > Soviet > Czech > British > Italian > Other axis > Japan > Other AlliesStug III is the best armored vehicle of the war, don't @ me. Tiger I is okay, had problems and could barely do what it was designed for, but it's absurd kill rate on the eastern front deserves praise. Panthers were over designed shitboxes until way later, honestly upgraded PzIII's are betterT34s are not only gay and stupid but incredibly wasteful. IS-2s are pretty good but showed up too late. KV1 is decent. Shermans are logistical beauties and underrated. My favourite is the wolverine, and the pershing was probably the best ww2 tank until it got exposed in korea for the similar issues everyone memes the panthers forNo one cares about the rest except tank nerds and GuP fags (wani won btw)
>>739192760The angloids sowed the seeds of the brimstone nigger hell they are living in long before brexit.
>>739192656Ah yes, those famous NATO troll farms that pay 50 cents a post. Tell me more how awful the west is and how based China is even though any with money flee and flood my country, pushing their daughters to enjoy my bwc.
>>739192354Wow being an enlightened centrist sure helped Georgia and Ukraine.
>>739192804nobody was talking about brexit
>>739192112Oi, you got a licence for that hatespeech Nigel? Be careful that some brownoid your nation loves to import so much doesn't stab you to death.
>>739192793>ShermanIt has famous reputation as a death trap. Numerous accounts claim that the Sherman was a very inferior tank compared to the German Panther, Tiger, and even the Panzer-IV. The British called it "The Ronson", because it "Lights up the first time, every time!", the Germans called them "Tommy Cookers", and the Poles called it "The Burning Grave"
>>739192354If you actually believed Russia was a threat to your sovereignty you would ally with America immediately, this is just a performance. Europe is so useless to us at the moment because their leaders are trying to figure out how to do globohomo without Washington while flirting with hostile states like India and China at every opportunity. Europe isn't so much a real continent at the moment but a location desperately trying to become Canada.>>739192474Marxism isn't something one debates with, it's something you crush with your boot. So in this case it's simply enough to point out your view of how the world operates is the Marxist one, which is obvious when every brown retard in existence posts exactly like you.
>>739192760you're either some variant of lolbertarian or you're one of those objectivist schizos
>>739167052Not quite. 1 on 1 maybe so, but German tanks were overcomplicated, cost a fortune and were a bitch to repair (just like their cars also made by the same companies btw). Soviet tanks meanwhile were light, easy to repair with just a wrench and some swear words. and easily produced en masse like bakery
>>739192793I heard the Italian tiny tanks were surprisingly top tier. The Navy and those were surprisingly the one things they did right. That true?
>>739192948no
>>739191628>they're still trying with the killswitch narrativewhat got obliterated in Iran/Russia now
>>739191221No refunds those F35s will never be delivered :DDDDDD Nor will the Israeli missiles we already payed 500 million for :DDDDD
>>739192838I've literally advocated for closer co-operation and alliance with Sweden, who actually has mutual interests in nordic defence with us for a reason. Far from some "enlightened centricism" or "neutrality" larp. I oppose alliance with Nato because I don't fucking trust USA and I do not believe that organization to be good for our long term interests because it is fucking led by a nation whose leaders fucking HATE europeans. From my pov USA is also an enemy of my nation like Russia is. Murrica in the past merely had better PR.
>>739192793>American tanks>GoodYou're having a laugh mate>>739192937>If you actually believed Russia was a threat to your sovereignty you would ally with America immediatelyAmerica is a bigger threat to European sovereignty than Russia, as it currently occupies the continent.>Europe is so useless because our puppets are trying to figure out how to maintain our cargo cult without our presenceFTFY
>no one knows what happened in ww1>everyone knows ww2>no one knows what happened in the korean war>no one knows what happened in vietnam>no one knows what happened in the middle east>everyone knows ukraine
>>739192937You are posting completely retarded drivel. Nothing in my posts has anything to do with marxism. My view on the strategic situation of my country is based on political realism and observing the behavior and revaled preferences of USA which clearly indicate that USA is a hostile entity towards Europe as a whole.
>>739192824China could unironically be a good friend to the west and I'm not even on the payroll (Xi, please, allow me to cultivate for you just let me leave the serfdom realm)My politicians are constantly trying to get me to fight Russia and China but they aren't the ones importing and protecting a billion african, indian, and arab rapists. Chinese tourists can be annoying but I'd rather have 100 of them over a single bangladeshi
>>739192937>MarxismThe United States loves Marxism. Without the enthusiasm of FDR for the Soviet Union, Marxism would have been sentenced to the dustbin of history forever.
>>739192960Greek here can confirm.10/10 would comandeer,re-paint and use against the italians again
>>739168770Wars are won with supply lines and logistics, not who has the best tank. The early Panzers and the Tiger were no doubt some of the best but they weren't enough. At the end of the day, a tank is a tank and can be destroyed with a caliber large enough. The Russians were also putting out good tanks - T34 and IS2. Then you had tank destroyers, artillery, planes, to the point where a tank, no matter how good, becomes just another piece on the battlefield.
>>739193125
>>739193026Thanks Kokoomus and Persut.God I fucking hate our politicians. The retarded cunts from SDP who will propably get into the next government will not be any better. It's all fucked.
>>739192501Your race bows down to Indians and Pakistanis.
>>739192578>>739192670Maybe Swedes could make them if every moronic European procurement didn't place their orders for F35 )))))))
>>739192937>Europe isn't so much a real continent at the moment but a location desperately trying to become Canada.I mean yea? You are either trying to improve the lives of your citizens or getting gifted by billionaire kleptocrats using patriotism to grift you.
>>739193110America has never militarily occupied any European country post-WWII. They've always been completely free to expel our troops and have before.
So do you guys just not want the only modern fighter jet or something?
>>739192927Highest survival rate of any tank, kraut. Belton Cooper is burning in hell.
>>739193365I am almost certain that Lockheed martin outright bribed the "experts" in my country to recommend F35s over Gripens.
>>739193135Its only in russian/chinese interest that Europe is weak. They will never be good allies. Russians literally push migrants into Europe through their borders in the east and chinese are exploting europes reliance on cheap tech/spyware
>>739193028The fuck is Sweden gon do against Russia? Send Mohammed al-Stockholmi's jihadi regiment?
>>739193413We don't want to be reliant on technology of a hostile mafia state that does not give a fuck about the long term interests of our peoples.
>>739193247Kek, was that stollen by Greeks or Roman's though? (Im hoping as a Greek you get the reference)Also the story of Cretes resistance is criminally unknown here in the West.
>sniper elite 1 was ww2 jank>sn2 was cool ww2 jank>okay try a different setting now>sn3 was ww2 africa jank>dude>sn4 was solid ww2 shooter>stop>sn5 was more solid ww2>try ANYTHING else than ww2>the sn5 standalone dlc is ww2 again
>>739193110>American tanks>GoodYes, according to reality, not some brown wehraboo fantasy
>>739170112Very nice post anon. I agree. To add, at the end of the day, a tank is a tank and most, if not all, are glass to even the weakest of tanks if they fire a shell in the right spot. The Germans fought very well because they were very quick and surrounded their enemies before their enemies even knew what was going on. They did take losses even in the early days (e.g. 50k against in the 2 week war against Poland) but because they did positioning so well and quick, they managed to conquer most of Europe. They seriously caught the French, Russians, and everyone else with their pants down. t. WarThunderfag
>>739193265I just love the fact that every increase in the defense spending just means sending money to the US and Israel and getting nothing in return because for whatever reason PV is allergic to buying Patria or Bofors materiel.
>>739193132Unlike Russia, which still occupies part of your country to this day.
>>739193026Even if such weaponry were to be delivered here murricans would just ship it to aid Israel the moment the kikes in tel'aviv demanded it.
>>739193429>>739193593yeah sure mutt
>>739193232>le we were right thereTriumph of the Will is a failed idea
>>739169124And your country's owned by jewish pedophiles now, so what did you win?
>>739193413The Amerisharts can't even make radars which is why the F35s ship with barbell weights in place of the radar right now. Modern my ass.
>>739193665Nigger you amerimongrels are part of the fucking reason why Ruskies control Karelia. You were the fucking allies of the soviets, you send them billions of dollars worth of materiel during the war and were instrumental in helping them win over the krauts.We Finns were fighting on the actual good guys side in that conflict.
>>739193539>Also the story of Cretes resistance is criminally unknown here in the West.There was an English author who walked through Europe in the 30s and wound up in my backwater Greek village who was part of an operation where they got German uniforms and a car, picked up a German Colonel(I think) from an airstrip in Crete and straight drove his ass to a submarine and capture. Patrick Leigh Fermor was his name.
>>739166686>>739167052Gigachad OP and FPBPmuttoids seething
God damn they're seething. Something else blow up in Iran/Russia? My money is on another Chinese aircraft designer getting disappeared.
>>739193132Your posts are an adamant defense of Marxism and the kind of brown retardation seen here. >>739193384 Trump has shown significantly less hostility towards Europe than your own leaders have, yet you cling to them for defense against him, because you're a peasant who instinctively clings to the closest authority figure. The thing about peasants is they're fine when they know their place and understand they're not that bright, but you don't.
>>739193125>ww1Artillery spam>ww2 The perfect blitz rush >korean war meatgrinder supported by superpowers >vietnamAsymmetrical warfare - bushwacking vs bombing runs >middle east More asymmetrical warfare >ukrainedrone spam
>>739193616Yeah, it is fucking retarded. It makes zero sense from national security perspective to be reliant for military hardware on a nation on the other fucking side of the planet. Either the people responsible for our military procurement are imbeciles or corrupt to the bone.
>>739192927Late shermans with upgraded guns could go toe to toe with almost every german tank, they were easy to use and operate, easy to transport, easy to produce, and despite their nicknames they still had better survivability than a lot of their enemies. They were also better at infantry support than most other tanks which is what tanks are actually mostly used for, not necessarily tank duels. No tank, tiger or is2 or whatever, is going to be better at that than dedicated tank hunters so versatility is also important to consider.>>739192960For their role yes actually. Italian engineering was actually quite good, planes and rifles as well. It doesn't really matter how good it is though if you don't have oil to run it and your command staff is fucking the dog; the RN sat in port for most of the war. Because of that it's also hard to judge how good it is because only combat exposes it's real value. >>739193110American tanks are underrated, german tanks are cool but overrated
>>739193456US ships 1000x as many migrants to Europe yet you think we're dumb enough to ignore that?
>>739167052German tanks were mid for the most part, too little armor, unreliable transmission/final drives etc.what made them good was the fact they were crewed by Germans
>>739193456>Russians literally push migrants into EuropeAre the "Russians" pushing migrants in USA too? Or is it really just jews?
>>739193818The Krauts outright said to the Soviets to go ahead and invade Finland. They didn't give a fuck about you outside of having more bodies for the Eastern meatgrinder.
>>739193904Where have I defended marxism you demented mongrel? At no point have I spoken in any way positively about either the soviet union, russia or communism in general. Hating USA does not make one a marxist, I despise you because I am a nationalist, and in my view USA is a nigger and jew worshipping, degenerate and disgusting mongrel state, who is openly hostile to european interests.
>>739193593>I won because of my superior tank design!yeah keep telling yourself that yank
>>739193665>>739193818America promoting open borders is way more prescient than Russia controlling some empty forest in the middle of nowhere.
>>739194013NTA. I read that the Germans were aware of the Finns' abilities, so they trusted them to handle it alone while providing them with a few supplies.
>>739194097Yeah, murrican cultural influence and political pressure on European states to be more multicultural is an outright washington policy they have pushed since the fucking sixties. What american influence has done to Europe in the past half a century has done more damage to our nations in the long term than both of the world wars did.USA is led by jews, who despise europeans on racial grounds, and actively wish to see us all either wiped out or mongrelized into some mystery meat brownoid shitskins.
>>739184984I don't believe it fixes anything you illiterate ESL subhuman.
>>739193135I used to think that but I honestly dont think they can. At the end of the day Putin and Xi are billionaire kleptocrats who steal from their citizens for their own wealth. Anons will laugh saying just like our politicians comparing Obama with 90m governing citizens that make 70k to Putins 200B and citizens who make 10k.They know this so they push you to obsess over trannys (who though gross are 0.3% of the country) so you hate your communities and admire these absolute thieves with family values.Im just telling you man, a lot of the internet is dedicated to degeneracy=jews=america=bad. They flood the internet with it to get you to sympathize with absolute thieves.Exact same time they say on Reddit pushing Racism=America=Bad empowering the crazy fags and darkies you meet on the net. Its all so tiring Youd be suprised how much of a waste of time seething about trannys on the intetnet is, and if you actually wanted a whiter America youd be better of having white kids, getting involved in your community, pushing smarter immigration laws, not carrying water for tyrants that hate you and want you miserable. They have also been caught funding BLM, and any other crazy progressive movement. You should really look it up.
>>739194003jews are not only a thing of the west. russian oligarchy is made of them. Soviet union was their project and people. russians are just puppets, not saviors of the white race as many westerners foolishly believe
>>739193972This is a troll as nobody is this retarded.
>>739194013Of course the American doesn't understand the concept of a diplomatic concession, because he has a continent to himself and has never had to contend with any neighbouring states to challenge him. Like the spoiled child of the world who doesn't understand geopolitical realities at all.
>>739194071You're clearly having a lot of trouble understanding some very simple things I wrote; I can't help you with that.>>739194097Incredible post. The average euro-peon has no problem with foreigners occupying their territory so long as they can continue to pretend America militarily occupies them and is forcing their government to replace them.
>>739194289This. Modern day Russia is a jewish cleptocracy just like USA is. Which is why I fucking despise both of them. The people who fall for the "murrica bad = russia good" bs are fucking retards literally falling for kike kabuki theatre. Both are bad. Both are nations that hold utter contempt for actual European peoples. Both have national mythos about how they defeated the "ebil and racist Germans" and how it is their moral obligation to keep Europe down.Both can go to fucking hell.
>>739193456>Russians literally push migrants into Europe through their borders in the east Russia could push everyone they want and it would never come close to even a single ngo off the french and italian coast>and chinese are exploting europes reliance on cheap tech/spywareWho gives a fuck we are literally on the verge of complete replacement like rhodesia and south africs. Vienna's school children are 41%muslim ffs I don't give a fuck about some eu retard getting cheaper phones
Pfffft, plebians.
>>739194323>The Amerimutt brain cannot comprehend things like statistics and logicThe border between Finland and Russia is CLOSED. It's not the Eastern border through which the tens of thousands of migrants are coming from.
>>739194442Nice attempt at dodging the actual argument, retard. Point to where I have defended marxism or fuck off.
>>739187492I think the most seethe was caused by how snowniggers in CoH2 campaign treated their allies, specifically the scene of them mowing down Polish partisans right after they helped the Soviets.
>>739194501The Battle of Britain is truly the king of all conflicts.
>>739194273Every other day there's another story off a migrant rapist getting a slap on the wrist and free shit off the state or a muslim bragging about how they'll be majority in 20 years. That's not russia doing that. Russia can fuck off but they aren't my biggest enemy right now.
>>739194595to the small anglo mind, sure
>>739194442>Noooo you need to be a gullible moron who ignores internal politics and proceeds to seethe about a plot of land with 5 inhabitants
>>739193863Ill have to look that up. Sounds cool. I learned a bit about it from a podcast where someone studied how you guys all run super weird. In the West we have ignored and killed our fascia where this Crete running greatly strengthens it giving a bounce. Guy claimed its what made them such outstanding guerrillas against the mechanized Germans.
>>739194463The thing is that Americans want Europe to suffer the fate of South Africa/Rhodesia. Americans fucking hate our nations and want them to be nigger infested hellholes like USA is. You will not get any sympathy from them.
>>739194514Its not America either retard.lol, lmao even.
>>739193997Yes yes Shlomo, everything about nazi Germany was akshually dysfunctional and not working and all their military victories were a fluke. Their famously terrifying tank offensives had nothing to do with their tanks! XDDDDDoes anyone actually fall for this shit? "Historians" are a joke
>>739194449So in your eyes Russia and America are defined by Leftism, while the rest of Europe is defined by nationalism. Why then have we seen E.U. countries behave exactly like you claim only Americans and Russians should? Where is the superiority you are extolling?
>>739194214clearly they're retards, as despite the massive bloody nose they gave to the soviets, the finns were functionally out of ammunition by the end of the winter war.
>>739194716Most Retarded Post of the Day Award
>>739194716USA has created more refugees globally just with your retarded shenanigans in the middle east than any other fucking nation on the planet. You have also pushed for the international laws and standards regarding the rights of refugees since WW2. The biggest pro-immigrant and refugee NGOs globally operate with american fucking funding. You are the primary cause of this shit no matter how much you try to deny it.
>>739194758>directionbrained retard hands
>>739194514>finland is the only nation in europe with a russian border
>>739194773>no uDefinitely a troll.
>>739194656I ain't never heard of that but I'm a burger/gyro anyways.
>>739194396>diplomatic concessionthis was right after they got done carving up poland like a wedding cake.
>>739194758Russia and America are defined by kike worship. Not "leftism" or "rightism". Both ruskies and amerimongrels live in nations ran by jews. And sadly Europe is essentially vassalized to the murrican kike led empire where any criticism towards this jewish rule is fucking outlawed.
>>739194912This doesn't contradict my post in any way.
>>739194647What happened to Sea Lion, kraut
>>739194830>Hah, he used the word Left! That means I can ignore his point!Okay retard enjoy your infinity migrants and mass surveillance regime I guess.
cardboard ayatollah status?
>>739194989>He says with a palantir sponsored dildo up his ass
>>739194834Baltic border: CLOSEDPolish border: CLOSEDUkrainian border: WARI know americattle aren't allowed to read maps but come on.
>>739194827Thats a really good point and a intresting perspective I had not thought of. That said arent most of the refugees Syrian? That ones on Russia, and the African ones outside of Lybia are economic conditions/ Europe, but I do get the rest.
>>739195042>aren't most of the refugees Syrian?>That ones on Russia>Le mutt face
>>739195042M8, USA had been trying to topple Assad in Syria via proxy war since the arab spring. Syrian refugees are largely murica's fault as well. Basically everything USA has done in the middle east is because USA is controlled by jews and Israel has explicit expansionist policy and desire to destroy all their neighboring states. USA is just their golem for this task.
tanks?
ww1>cool weapons, ugly tanks and no secret weaponsww2>cool weapons and tanks, secret weapons galoreww3>moon bases activated, remote controlled ufos used for ramming, drones everywhere and nukes in the sky
>>739194913If you were vassals you would've been nuked the second you retards defied us. But you've been free to chimp about how evil bombing Moslems is while openly making moves towards greater cooperation with India and China; the two most adamantly anti-white regimes on earth. At this point it's clear Euro peasants see themselves as children with no agency outside of obedience to America. That's very flattering, but unfortunately wrong. Your leaders have no master but mammon and have been eager to defy us to keep the status quo going.
>>739195298It is difficult to have any discussion tied to ww2 these days because the legacy of that war and it's consequences are so glaring in the polarizing politics of today.
>>739195198>>739195256>Putin props up a tyrant>Citizens rebelWhy would America do this!Guys, you arent thinking straight. Syria is a known Russian puppet for decades.Side note, this is Putins Son in Law. Youngest billionaire in Russia. Im sure its unrelated.
>>739195428>more retarded drivel and murrica dindu nuffing slopRetard. European political class has only began to make some surface level moves of opposing murrican interest due to Trump being so openly hostile to Europe that it is a political fucking suicide here if you are seen as being even remotely associated/pro Trump. European leaders were more than happy to suck murrican dick when Joe Biden was the president because ultimately they are still loyal to the "world order" washington built in the decades after WW2.
>>739195412I want more WW1 games. So pissed we have been jipped. Battlefield was based even with too many automatics.
>>739195040Do you think theres a great impenetrable wall or that a border sign STOP is enough ? They are coming through gaps, using ladders, cutting holes you name it, sometimes forced or encouraged by border guards
>>739195491>thinks that the rebellion in Syria was some organic thing that sprung out just because Assad was le tyrant. LolLmao even. Of course, Assad was a tyranical cunt, no debate there, however the syrian rebellion was from the get go a fucking proxy war, with ISIS cells, CIA funding and fucking mossad involvement in backing it. It is fucking documented Washington policy to knock out these middle eastern states, your glowniggers had been planning this shit since desert storm.
>>739195663Unlike United Shitholes of America most countries have functional border guards.
Did another Chinese rocket blow up? Did their new carrier split in half? The seething about the F-35 isn't natural anymore.
>>739195581>Europe at War>We need to divide even more!Word for word you saying the exact words Putin would want you to say. Word for fucking Word. Are you a bot, a troll, a very programmable Anon who knows. Word for fucking word, kek. I bet you pick Stormcloak every time.
>>739195636Video games have become too mainstream and censored to portray adult themes. Thats the main reason of nintendos children game success.
>>739194595literally the most boring part of ww2.
>>739195916>Bro why are you mad we just straight up stole your money by selling you planes we'll never deliver
>>7391954911. You are silly for thinking America ever had a problem with tyrants.2. Americans didn't have a problem with Assad as long as he was useful to them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBnUKKcEtkAPlus it works both ways>US props up a tyrant>Citizens rebelWhy would Russia/Iran/China do this!
>>739195748>So a bad man, who was a known Russian puppet is removed.>You think Russia is the good guy in this story, the bad man removers the villian.Bro... >>739194273
>>739195940When did he advocate for splitting Europe?
>>739194595>>739195978Whole operation was literally the first red flag and sign that Hitler is losing it and is basically a shizo.
>>739195940>if you don't suck american dick you are a Puting stooge!!!!Imagine actually fucking falling for this sort of pathetic attempts of manipulating what you are allowed to say and think.I've explained my position very clearly troughout this threat, and it is that I view poth USA and Russia as enemies of Europe. Neither has our interests in mind, and no amount of trying to label me some russian propagandist will change my mind on this.USA is a hostile entity to Europe, any objective analysis of how USA treats Europe, it's policies towards EU and european nations as well as the views of the leadership class of USA towards Europe makes this abundantly clear.
>>739195748Honestly seeig shit that happend during that Civil War there. It sometmes felt that people had more problems with Assad having a wrong type of faith than beig a tyrant. Also that Sudden final offensive is still mindbogling to me. Like...it sounds like a cop out from a shitty war story.
>>739196091I didn't call Russia the good guy in that situation you fucking retard. I made no comment on russia at all. I merely stated the fact that the syrian civil war was part of arab spring which were a series of "color revolutions" pushed by murrica, which then turned into a proxy war USA backed in order to oust Assad.
>>739196193Ultimately Assad's government collapsed because what little loyalty there was to the assad regime in the security forces faded away and once ruskies fucked off due to their pressing issues in Ukraine, the whole house of cards fell. Not that the new syrian government is any fucking better, given how it is formed from "moderate" isis beheaders etc.
>>739196152>Neither has our interests in mindYour intrests consist of Watter bottle caps and How to give more free shit to te people who either see you as suckers or hate you. Some Said it will be Chinnese Century, some said it will be Islamic century, some even said it will be an African Century. No one ever said it will be an European century.
>>739195993Absolutely, thing is South Korea, Uruguay, Chile, Spain, Singapoor, Tiawan are all wealthy happy countries in the end. Not one Russian Chinese backed tyrant escaped middle income trap. One genuinely built a better world as anyone whos gone yo South Korea can attest to. The other is run by billionaire kleptocrats to this day.American tyrants are a means to a prosperous end, Eastern tyrants are an and in themselves. And you are carrying water for these thieving billionaires who keep their citizens poor.
>>739196245there are no good guys, europe is not a good guy. Not I or you are a good guy. We are all selfish cunts who act only in our own selfish interests. Life is much simpler and easier to live when you just accept cynicism as the main motive for every live organism around you. Leave fairy-tales for fantasy roleplay
>>739196417>give more free shit to the people who either see you as suckers or hate youJust like when we handed over billions to Lockheed Martin for planes they may or may not deliver!
>>739196417>retarded attempt at trivializing national interests in order to avoid the argument.Amerimongrels making a stellar showcase of their intellect once again.I don't give a fuck about Europe not being the dominant global power in the next century. I care about the actual fucking survival of my people in the long term, and in my view us being tethered to your mongrelized shithole nation that actively promotes the erasure of the European peoples, is entirely detrimental.I know that it is difficult for your mongrelized brains to understand this, but I don't actually fucking want my people ending up like the disgusting mystery meat niggerspawn that fester in USA.
>>739196245This retards mad, lol. How shitty does your life have to be to carry water for Putin and defend him. You must be one incel loser who just wants a reset where you are not on the bottom. Not going to happen faggot.
>>739196497>South Korea>Highest Suicide rate>Lowest Fertility rateYeah that middle income does sound better.
>>739196552I am well aware of international politics being just a struggle between competing interests. Which is precisely why I view USA as a hostile entity because it's stated and revealed interests are directly against the long term interests of European nations.
>>739196671You are utterly fucking braindead if you took anything I said in this thread as some sort of defence of Putin.
>>739196392I guess but before that it all felt like it would be a simple more subdued conflict like the current one in Lybia. But then seeing how it...Just fell. Was Bizzare. ( Old /sg/ threads were still peak)I guess a leessons from that war is that you need a Revolutionary Guard like force to quell rebelions. Especially in a region prone to sectarian conflicts.I guess Islamist are a ok as long as they are our Islamists. Worked well in Afghanistan.
>>739196552I'm a good guy.
>>739196721Again true, but your ignoring the other 4 countries. Also China is near identical, but poorer, and are 1.4 billion forced to live that way well the top gets disgustingly rich and lives the Chinese Dream of moving to the West and having their daughters fucked by bwc.
>>739196620Survival of our people is purely dependent on breeding. In my view the guilt lies on our women and technologies that are too much of a distraction.
>>739196807>Agrees his life is shitNah man, I just hate everyone Putin tells me to hate! He was right in Syria! Im not a troll/bot/puppet.
>>739196852All the middle eastern shithole states live under the threat of islamic secretereanism. Those nations are the festering corpse of the ottoman empire which kept tribal and secretarian divisions under control via tyrannical rule which the british sort of kept up for a while and the now independent states that emerged there post ww2 have on varying scales of success managed to maintain. Actual democracy and liberal societies are basically fucking impossible there due to the culture, history and nature of the people who inhabit that region. They need authoritarian rule otherwise they collapse into failed states.
>>739196929Consider not bringing up countries you don't want me to focus on. Also if we counted all US puppets we'd end up with paradises like Indonesia, Philippines, and Botswana.
>>739196852Tell me more about early /sg/.
>>739197024You retarded nigger. I don't need Putin to hate USA. I hate USA for the reasons I've already stated, completely irrelevant from ruskies or their politics. I hate USA because it is a jewish controlled, nigger worshipping disgusting multicultural shithole, whose influence over my nation has been solely negative.
>>739169124>It took America, the Soviet Union, the British Empire, and the French Empire all dogpiling to defeat the Third Reich>Result is the decline and death of the unsaved kiked West
>>739196973>the guilt lies on our womenA cardinal example of American thinking.
>>739197174Your failing nation would be worse off as a vassal state to China or Russia
>>739197097or Congo, or Apartheid South Africa, or Dirty War Argentina or...
>>739196929I love how the American instantly starts talking about miscegenation.
>>739197097Philippines is weird to me and a great counter point. That one I dont understand but America done goofed. Indonesia I've never heard one way or the other, Botswana is a terrible counterpoint. I was going to mention it myself, absolute biggest sucess of the region by a large margin.Regardless a 50% success rate is infinitely better than the 0% success rate Russia and China are batting right now. How do you not get that?
>>739197041I hate to make a libshit point but most of the middle east was pretty secular during the early cold war.
>>739196973>blaming societal and structural issues on just muh women/menRetarded. The topic of collapsing birth rates is far more complicated than just "one gender is at fault". It stems from the multitude of cultural shifts in our nations regarding attitudes towards sex and family formation, but just as importantly on both technological developments (contraceptives) and acute material realities like the fact that people in the peak family formation age (in their 20ies and early 30ies) have spent increasingly large amounts of both their time and resources on education which delays family formation, all the while critical assets like housing has become more and more expensive due to the RETARDED policies of the western world that treat housing as investment assets rather than crucial resources necessary for people to start families.This is one thing that is not entirely the fault of murricans given that this same fucking issue emerges in all developed nations and is more due to the overall model of highly urbanized, industrial technological civilization the world has generally adopted over the past century.
>>739197272It's the same American schizo that has spammed a 500 post thread about Chinese GPUs with his raceplay sex fantasies
>>739197401Yeah, but those governments were largely authoritarian.
>>739197246Russian / European Good pointExample of what happens when the CIA doesnt get its way unlike Chile and Urguay
>>739197272>>739197410Im sorry you cant even fuck your own Chang. Regardless my actual point still stands.
>>739197337>25% aids rate>biggest success of the region by a wide margin
>>739169114Carriers, drones, and missiles are all gay.Basically any form of guided munition.
i find, more often than not, soviet tanks are way overpowered for what they are as devs dont take into account the many real problems they had and just go with how good they supposedly were.of course, if the devs are russian it's even worse.
>>739197495Chile had an economic collapse under Pinochet and it's like the only period in Chilean history when they were poorer than the average Latin American.>>739197576You need to understand normal people don't have these weird American race fetishes.
>>739197592>25%So Based and Christpilled.
>>739182067is it that bad? i found tanks so oppressive in mowas2 and was hoping goh ostfront wouldnt be as bad.
>>739197592So its the exact same as Russia but they can ellect their leaders and flush their toilet paper in the rural areas.
>>739175560They overwhelmed the axis with sheer numbers, same as the US.
>>739194731i was saying that German soldiers and select foreign volunteers like the Spaniards, Latvians etc. were worth their weight in gold and could largely offset the shortcomings of their equipment (still mostly using bolt rifles in 40s, the panzer 4 being penned by 50bmg to the sides and so on) despite the allies superior numbers
>>739197702Oh Im talking to a poor person with no economic education. Im sorry I wasted our time, especially mine. Nobody but absolute retards does not credit Pinochet and the Chicsgo boys. You probably don't even know who they are though, with your Ramen bank account, lol.
>>739179767Not many people seem to be aware of just how ridiculously inefficient German manufacturing was for most of WWII, they did eventually decide to stop being retarded and massively streamline everything but by that point it was too late and virtually all of the huge gains in production efficiency they made were wiped out by Allied strategic bombing after somebody forced Bomber Harris to stop trying to exterminate German cities and bomb much more valuable industrial sites instead.
>>739197824Using HIV as an argument for siding with the US is so strange given how the Russian HIV pandemic was largely caused by Gorbachev foolishly trusting Americans.
>>739169016Anon literally every single WWII tank could be destroyed by tossing a molotov cocktail onto the engine deck.
>>739197947>If you can read a GDP chart you have no economic educationAlso literally nobody with IQ above 100 considers "Chicago boys" impressive.
>>739170662>>739170729Maybe Steel Fury (modded) game is rather janky and for more modern shit i guess gunner Heat PC ? (i played it long ago idk how it is now)
>>739197987I'm pretty sure it's caused by the massive amounts of gay sex and intravenous drug abuse in Russia.
>>739191221>gripen>goodoh no no no.
>>739194857So if you had 4m and burned in 5 min of sunlight where would you live in Greece/Balkans.
>>739197987>Claims not to be pro Russia>Defends Russian aidsDedovshchina buck broke your brain troll, and spread aids.
>>739189331partisans were literally nkvd behind enemy lines they infiltrated villages, threatened people who didn't collaborate and when the germans responded to whatever sabotage they were doing, people always suffered the most stalin's ussr was the most psychotic anti-human state in history
>>739198078Is this true of today's tanks?
Why is "mutt" the only vocabulary word of the average Indian?
>>739198847I vaguely remember reading somewhere that adaptations to protect against that situation were developed around the time everyone started completely CRBN sealing their tanks during the Cold War, so I would presume not.
>>739166686I've been playing gates of hell Ostfront, and I have no fucking clue what to unlock in the research tree. There's like 50 fucking tanks, all with slight variations like jesus why so many
>>739196896You doing alright, bud?
>>739187478BIGGER.
>>739188741Fucking kek
>>739197182you still lost
>>739170025nta but it was a combined arms force, it's not as simple as checking how many tanks got killed
>>739198351i hate this plane.its smug aura mocks me
>>739192952>1 on 1 maybe sohurr durr. obviously, you can overpower anything with sheer numbers. obviously 1 on 1. mano i mano, dumb retard. stop moving goalposts, OP was very clear with his question
>>739200275he's a good guy
>USSR wasnt that ba-
>>739201393We gotta check on the ones that look like they're doing okay too.
>>739201637are you doing all right anon?
>>739201703Eh I'm getting by.
