I feel this whole “celebration of gaming” notion kickstarted by 4 and Ultimate ruined discussion for the series.
>>739168521yeah, obviously. they have plenty of characters to add to the game without having to spend a billion dollars on lawyers to negotiate for 3rd partieshonestly though, I don't give a fuck. I'm more concerned about the fact that we're currently in the biggest smash drought of all time. Like here are the gaps between smash games:2 years between 64 and melee 6 years 2 months between melee and brawl 6 years 8 months between brawl and 4 4 years between 4 and ultWe're now already in the longest period of time that has ever happened in history without a new game, and we're almost about to hit a DECADE without one. Something has gone wrong over at Nintendo/Bandai. They can't make games anymore
>>739168521the next smash game should just be a nintendo all stars game with at least 40 reps
>>739168615what is the span of time if you include the dlc characters, cant believe its been 8 years since ultimates release date. this is something I could look up myself but fuck you for not including it like it is kind of relevent considering they were working on ultimate rather than another IP
They should return to being fun.
Yeah, which is pretty funny considering Snake was just a favor to Kojima that was meant to be in Melee and Sonic was a why not lol.
>>739168682Nintendo fans are literally retarded. How do you suggest that a sequel should have LESS content, but then scrutinize Pokémon for doing the exact same thing.
>>739168793It's like 5 years if you count the DLC's which isnt too bad
>>739169067yeah, considering they probably didnt plan on any new continuation when he said ultimate was the very last game he would make, then they do dlc and hes like i'm going to make another smash game which will be "the final game." I think Masahiro Sakurai just wasn't satisfied with the reception. I know he doesn't make games to be competitive but every game post melee has been seen as a party game. I dont expect their approach to change, the next game will still be floaty and more casual
>>739169039Damn I didnt know Terry and Mai were permanent additions to the Street Fighter series
Cutting Sonic is like cutting a Melee character. I don't want all third-parties to go, but they absolutely have to be moderated.
>>739168793who gives a fuck about DLC, I just want a new gameDLC can suck my cock, I have a strong preference that all DLC for all games didn't exist and all devs redirected their energy towards new games
>>739169267I meant less overall content specifically. We’re talking about the same people who say that less characters in a roster meant that the developers have more time to focus on polishing movesets and balancing, and then forget that Marvel vs Capcom Infinite did the same thing (with admittedly dubious quality control) and killed the franchise.
>>739168682>Mewtwo 2>Tony the Tiger>Marth #432>Villager (furry)>Keep
>>739169409dont know what you're saying but I am with you sir, I align with your words. I'm from an era of old where you bought the game you get the game, though sometimes there were expansions, but that was different from DLC
>>739169612>lucario repping gen 4, the first gen with proper online>roy having his origins tied to smash itself>robin for modern fire emblem>byleth because it's the best selling one? probably could drop him for the fortune's weave MC.You got me on Incineroar though.
>>739168521>ruined discussionIt was always putrid and fucked up. You were just younger.
>>739168521Melee > 4 == Ultimate > 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brawl
>>739168521oh no, not the discussionanyway...
>>739168521They ran out of necessary nintendo characters. All that's left is bottom of the barrel shit like the new turdhair fire emblem guy or another pokemon.
>>739168682>Cutting the Pokemon TrainerWhy?
>>739169906probably because pikachu/mewtwo/pokemon trainer felt like too much kanto when I wanted to have more than gen 1 represented.
>>739169670that shit is way better, any time a game has DLC I lose interest pretty quickly
>>739168615>One Smash per console>Ultimate was released year 2 of the Switch>Proceed to not move on from the Switch for the next 7 yearsIt is what it is. It'll probably get dug up in 2-3 years
>>739169039We're never getting an Ultimate scale roster again. Sakurai himself said this. The next roster will undoubtedly have dozens of cuts unless they wanna copy and paste the same movesets from Ultimate and suffer through all the legal bullshit again
>>739168521The only third parties in Smash should fit these criteria>Massive icons>Actual history with Nintendo>Can represent their company (Likewise, ONE per company)>Can also represent their franchise as a wholeIf your third party can't fulfill all of those conditions, they don't get to be in Smash.
>>739168521Yes. Over-reliance on third parties made Smash boring.
I love MGS and clapped so hard when Snake was confirmed in Brawl but in hindsight it was when Smash died.
>>739169538Yeah but infinite went the wrong way. You can't have a series that started as X-Men vs Street fighter with no fucking X-Men.
>>739174726Would they really take someone for a ride like that?
I just want the game to feel fresh. New graphics, new artstyle, new models, new stages, new movesets, new characters, new modes. Everything in Ultimate felt rehashed, even 4 felt like that. Let Ultimate be the legacy game and start over.
>>739168682>cut Villager>keep Isabellekys nigger
>>739175153Nah, they're right. Isabelle quite literally is Jane Animal Crossing, she's effectively the face of the franchise by this point and because of that I feel is way more likely to return than Villager. Had Smash 4 released a little later, she likely would've 100% been the AC rep from the start. Considering they have similar move-sets, it wouldn't really be a big loss anyway.
>>739168682>keeping incineroar but cutting charizardI don't need to see anymore nigger you're insane
>>739168682>Cutting Ice Climbers, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt Dog, all the fun retro reps>Cutting Charizard, one of the most popular Pokemon of all time>Cutting Rosalina, I'll give you she's the most superfluous of the Mario cast but she's still popular, relevant, and unique>Cutting Ike who has more relevance across multiple games than the others you have>Cutting Lucas, from what is considered one of the best RPGs of all time>Keeping Robin and Byleth and Roy>Keeping Wolf>Keeping fucking INCINEROAR
>>739175986Dude, I love Mother 3 as much as the next guy, but the fact Lucas even got in at any point was a miracle in of itself
>>739176514Itoi and Mother are still loved enough to justify his inclusion. There's a reason every modding project for Smash adds Lucas even when it makes no sense to. He's a highly popular character, easy to add, and they have to pay Itoi for the rights to the franchise anyways.
>>739168521Just need Crash Bandicoot and Coco Bandicoot, nothing else.
>>739169039People want the game to content other than the character select screen. Like there is nothing to do in Ultimate except play vs matches and stare at the character select screen. The other games had way more mode. Fuck, even something like Multiman Smash had 5 options in Smash for Wii U but somehow only has 3 in Ultimate.
>>739176704I would kill someone for an updated Smash Run with online and more maps
>>739175327I know she's popular and basically became the mascot of the IPbut I simply don't like her
>>739168917people post clips like this but in reality moments like this are one in a thousandand it cuts right before falco does DAIR BLIP DAIR BLIP DAIR BLIP four times and wins99% of the time you play or watch melee will be a spacie or one of the usuals doing a braindead guaranteed combo you've seen a million times
>>739175986>>739175852>>739169612Incineroar fills Smash's lack of a dedicated Pro Wrestling character and it's pretty clear from his kit that Sakurai loves the dude, he gave the cat this really cartoony energy while still having him be the biggest shout out to NJPW
>>739177592Incineroar is fucking dogshit looks like trash and there are plenty of other wrestler characters they could do if we need one
>>739177738Care to name these characters?
>>739168615>yeah, obviouslyNews flash: normalniggers love crossovers and they dominate the market
it will definitely go back to this for the next game and people will throw a shitfit because it has "less" content than Ultimate. that's why nintendo was so iffy about making any other "Ultimate" style games on the Switch 1. they don't want to exponentially add more shit but they don't want to piss people off either.
>>739177738Nah, I love this Power Rangers villain ass tiger. And there's no one else that fills not only the wrestler slot and the "relevant Pokemon" slot TPC demands seeing as Roar is now the face of competitive Pokemon and only just fell off in Champions Meta
>>739177785Fighter HayabusaChibi RoboRawk HawkBuggzyAny WWE Wrestler from an N64 gameI bet there's more too and ALL of them are better than Tony the Tiger
The game definitely needs to go back to being Nintendo-focused. Primary franchises should be allowed to keep the majority of their most marketable characters. Secondary franchises keep 2-3 characters. Tertiary and legacy (retro) franchises get 1. The only third party characters should be ones whose franchises have a long, established history with Nintendo, with two exceptions:>CloudLike it or not, he's the face of the Final Fantasy franchises and there's no world where Square Enix would want to promote any other Final Fantasy character.>Pac-ManBandai Namco developed 4 and Ultimate, and it's likely they'll be involved in 6's development as well. Pac-Man is their mascot and they whore him out for crossovers at every opportunity.This has nothing to do with how much I like each character personally, or their gameplay; in fact, I'm cutting my main. I just think that the series has lost something with the inclusion of more and more third parties, and it ends up diluting the original appeal of Smash. It feels incredibly wrong that Ultimate's most played characters are from>Minecraft>Sonic>Metal Gear Solid>Tekken>two retro Nintendo IPs that aren't relevant outside of Smash>XenobladeIt doesn't feel like a "Nintendo all-star brawl" anymore.
>>739178021>Who??>I haven't played any Chibi-Robo games but I don't think that little guy wrestled anyone>We have enough Mario characters and he's hardly relevant>There are a lot of better picks for Kirby>Dude
>>739178021These are all worse choices
>>739177785Viewtiful Joe and KING.
>>739168521i don't care, the franchise died after melee for me it's just a waifu representation ritual now, nobody even plays the game anymore they just post about the roster on twitter
>>739178228>From Nintendo's own Wrestling game>He has in the third game he gets a costume for it>He's a wrestler>He's a wrestler>James Bond was considered a legitimate option for Melee>>739178245Literally ALL of them are better than Inshiteroar, sorry. That thing looks like fucking trash. Look at its fucking sausage fingers.
>>739178286>one-off character from a dead IP>not Kazuya or HeihachiTry again
>>739168521Kirby and Pikachu weren't created by Nintendo. 25% of the standard fighters in the first Smash are from other corporations.
>>739168682Wii Fit isn't even on this anywhere.FUCK YOU
>>739168521They need to cull the japslop for the next game.
Smash is kind of fucked in that the roster is already bloated beyond imagination for any fighter, and I imagine people aren't going to be happy if they start cutting some of them off. In other fighting games it's pretty standard that some characters come and go between different releases, but I think that's a harder sell to Smash's more casual audience.
>>739178326>Look at its fucking sausage fingersCharacters spec'd into grappling having giant hands isn't new. Tager and Waldstein are right there.
>>739178435Don't tell him what country Nintendo is from
>>739168615We're in the longest drought for a ton of gamesMario GTA dragon quest Smash isn't special
>>739168521Regardless of what happens, its going to go that direction anyway. For starters, the licensing fees for the game are going to be astronomical for little gain. There are 15 series in Smash Bros that Nintendo doesn't own. Nintendo will have to negotiate and pay to license each one. So at a minimum, there will be some pairing down of the third party roster. Then you have to consider each of these series needs a stage, music, assist, ect. The reason Ultimate worked was because they reused almost all of the stages. Only Splatoon and Castlevania got new ones because there wasn't another stage to pull from. They can't do that in the next game so even doing the 8 series base Ultimate had would not be realistic. When it comes to cutting a character, cutting a third party is perfect since you remove both the licensing cost and the content they need. There is also the question of who you even add? Sakurai exhausted all the popular picks over the last two games.But the bigger reason is Nintendo probably doesn't want to do the "Celebration of Gaming" thing. Nintendo has made it clear their goal is to expand their IPs. They are making a Zelda movie and there are rumors of a DK one, a Metroid one and even a Starfox one. When it comes to movies and merchandising, having a fuck ton of third parties doesn't help since the rights holder is going to want a cut too (and will have a say on how the character is portrayed). Plus there are plenty of characters Nintendo would rather promote than having Jonsey from Fortnite. For them, they would rather save the money on licensing and have the game focus on their IPs that they want to promote. I mean, hell, they built a big ass museum to themselves. They are probably fine if Smash is just Nintendo stuff.
>>739178443>but I think that's a harder sell to Smash's more casual audience.Smash has been a quanitity over quality franchise since Brawl.
>>739168682>cutting Dr. Mario>cutting Ice Climbers>cutting JigglypuffFuck you nigga
>>739177217I think his point is it just feels better to move around and play Melee, you may disagree and that's fair, I like playing Ultimate too, but I do think Melee had Smash's peak gameplay. At least bring momentum carrying over into jumps back, that alone would make Ultimate 10 times more fun to play.
>>739178702>Ayumi Tachibana and Ashley Mizuki Robbins spottedBased! They’re in!
>>739178702Genuinely saddened at the lack of Rhythm Heaven anywhere on this mural
>>739178326>>739177738You lost
>>739178702>There are 15 series in Smash Bros that Nintendo doesn't own. Nintendo will have to negotiate and pay to license each one.While that may be true, it could also be the case that depending on how those negotiations went down, all they might need to do is go up to the IP owners and ask can they renew the license for a new game. Renewal can be easier than the initial round of negotiations, and I imagine someone like Capcom is pretty easy to work with.
>>739178735he's right though
>>739178702>pikmin is apparently on the same level as splatoon, mario, zelda, kirby, animal crossing and pokemon with its 3x3 muralhuh
>>739168615what are you so starving for that none of the entries in the series doesn't already have? ultimate fixed the dumpster fire that was smash 4 and has a billion characters.
>>739179040They're very easy to recognize so there's that
>>739179040i meanit is
>>739178931Renewal still comes with a cost. Capcom is "easy to work with" but thats because they like to make money off of licensing their IPs
>>739179207Sure, fees can be their own thing.
>>739179040Miyamoto’s baby
>>739179065all those characters and you can hardly control them with the input lag
>>739168682If you cut Puff I'm just not buying it
>>739179595When my friends and I played Smash for the first time, we thought the guy's TV wasn't good for gaming, so we swapped out the fucking TV in his living room. But it didn't help.We found out later that, for some reason, the game has 7 fucking frames of input lag.
>>739179595yeah well there's a reason people are still playing melee lol
>>739179662it has 11 onlineminimum
>>739168521It needs to happen, Nintendo wants to grow their IPs and if we learnt something from the DLC’s reactions it’s that people care way too much about third parties being added than Nintendo’s IPs, of course Byleth is bullshit, but MinMin was a fun addition of their newest IP at the timeI don’t say that they should just have zero third parties but at least keep the ones that actually helped define Nintendo (Megaman, DQ Hero, Sonic, Pac-Man, Simon, maybe Banjo) but there’s just no reason to add characters that didn’t even had a game in a Nintendo console at the time like Joker, Cloud or Sora>hurr durr they were in x spin off on the 3DS!Oh yeah, because when I think of those characters the first thing that comes to mind is their spin offs
>>739168521The echoes and clones are so unnecessary.
Smash roster fags are completely obnoxious. The next Smash needs>rollback netcode>a better system for dealing with people who rage quit or disconnect online>a better ranking system than GSP>some sort of single player content, specially if it can be online coop>better online matchmaking so I'm not stuck playing modes I don't want to play>remove Miis and custom movesets because it's annoying to deal with characters you don't know their movesets until you play against themI hate a lot of the roster but there's no point in removing characters if they are already made. The core gameplay of smash hasn't changed in decades. The next Smash should take the big roster and actually do something exciting with it instead just being an online party game.
>>739178590that doesn't make it better, that makes it worse
>>739180225>>remove Miis and custom movesets because it's annoying to deal with characters you don't know their movesets until you play against themJust have their movesets visible on the character select and the battle ui, easy fix
>>739179065I mean I liked 64, melee, and even brawl I came around on after I got used to the movement4 and ult were fucking disgraceful though and severely outclassed by older games. Brawl has way more content and melee is mechanically heads and shoulders above them. I want a Smash game that improves on what has come before, either more maximalist than Brawl or better designed than melee.Or, to be honest, considering how long it's been since brawl, even something roughly on par with either Brawl or Melee would be nice. No more shitty phoned in singleplayer, and some satisfying platforming, I'm not asking for much.
>>739168521>kickstarted by 4d'you mean by brawlanyway who cares what they do with the IP in the future, it's been to the highest peaks and the lowest valleys already and anything they achieve in terms of cramming stupid crossover shit into the roster has already been accomplished by Fortnite
>>739168521Yes and bring back all the cut modes while you're at it
>>739180707yeah, the appeal of crossover IP isn't what it was. All of these companies do it all the time now, it's not special anymore. Smash brawl/4/ult are going to age poorly I think, people like them as achievements in IP wrangling but as the impressiveness of those feats wears off in the new context of everyone feely lending IP to everyone else, their lack of appeal otherwise is going to sour opinions of them.Smash 6 is really going to have to work really hard to do something very different in order to catch the attention of people broadly, since they're not going to have a roster size comparable to ultimate and won't be able to compete on that front. Unless they just do Ultimate deluxe or whatever I guess, but that would be incredibly lame in its own way
>>739168521No, all the important Nintendo characters are in it and people are just salty their guy didn't get in.
>>739179430surprised star fox didn't get a 3x3 mural t b h
>>739168615Smash is a solved series. There is no where to go with it. They have to take it in a bold new direction. I expect to be a live service game with completely new systems from smash starts out with the original 12 roster and has characters added every 6 weeks to keep players engaged and talking about it for a long long time, while it slowly builds and adds features.
>>739168521It'll flop, remember what happened to Marvel vs Capcom Infinite after Disney mandated no Fox owned characters?
>>739168682Not a bad list. Take off lucario and Incineroar. Add puff (og has to be there) and Red and I'm okay with it. Also Cut byleyth.
>>739178702It’s Rhythm Heaven the only still relevant Nintendo franchise not in here?
>>739180945All they need is something to do. Brushing up the modes that went to shit in Ultimate and giving an actual single player mode would go a long way. Also a new list of stages to play on would be nice too.>>739181471The best selling games on Nintendo's systems are always the Nintendo games. Smash, being a Nintendo exclusive, having just Nintendo characters will do fine.
>>739168521Even if they did that smashfags would still seethe over Fire Emblem, Splatoon, Xenoblade, any other random modern games Nintendo funds like Astral Chain or Duskbloods and basically anything that isn't a scrimblo bimblo from the 90s
Jettison Sora, Joker, Cloud, Robin, Lucina, Corrin, Chrom, Byleth, and Sephiroth out of Smash. These are nothing characters. Replace them all with the Rifle Grunt unit from Battalion Wars. It deserves it more than any of these characters.
game's sold by rosterfagging and there aren't enough strong newer nintendo IPs to hype people on the unincluded nintendo characters that remain. A lot of them are either retro characters or oddball "wow they made a character out of that?" characters.
>>739168521I wouldn't really mind, though I do think characters that were practically honorary Nintendo characters such as Megaman and Simon should stay.I hope 6 is a big shake up in gameplay, Ultimate can be the final Smash game as we know the series currently, it'd be nice if 6 starts fresh in a way.
Yes.They can establish a new base of Nintendo faces alongside the original 12 and they shouldn't be cutting any of them as much as people want to cut Jigglypuff but have no issue keeping Falcon and Ness.>>739178702Someone gets it, especially the licensing fees. Anyone hoping for Ultimate DX really needs to understand that the world in 2016 when the project plan was already decided and 2024-25 or so assuming it's in development now is way different.
>>739181436I don't think they have the kind of productivity to get characters out every 6 weeks
>>739168521When they started adding fighting game characters I feel like it jumped the shark. They tried to get a little too clever with how Ryu/Ken always face the opponent, Andy has an extra B move etc. Instead of them using all these unique mechanics you ended up with Andy going jab jab down-B eighty times.
>>739169039Sometimes, less is more, chef Gordon Ramsay thaught me that
>>739168521I kind of wish it would. 3rd parties would be fine if they only stuck to truly important characters in game history who also fit in aesthetically. Sonic and Pac-man? Those make sense. Characters like Joker, though? Fuck off. Like it or not, Minecraft is one of the most significant games ever, but Steve sticks out like the sorest of thumbs and there's no way to tweak him to fit in visually so he shouldn't be there either.
>>739177738the only people that can defend his shitty design are barafaggot furries, I fucking hate all the fursuit pokemon. I don't even care that he is our like 12th fucking pokemon character I just wish they would have picked a more unique fucking design
>>739168521No. There's no reason to return to being a Nintendo-focused series. Every worthwhile Nintendo character has been added, you ask retards who is missing and they'll say Groose or some shit. The cat is out of the bag, Smash is a video game hall of fame.
What tendies think will happen if third parties are cancelled>Waluigi>Geno>Andy from Advance Wars>Isaac from Golden Sun>Bandana DeeWhat will actually happen>Edelgard from FE>Dimitri from FE>Callie and Marie>Ring Fit trainer>Some asshole from Xenoblade 3
>>739182748>Every worthwhile Nintendo character has been addedSo only seventy-ish Nintendo characters are all that matters in a pool of hundreds if not thousands of Nintendo faces? I repeat, you need to look at >>739178702 and understand why your video game hall of fame is a bad idea long-term.
>>739182883This is an unfortunate truth and something I noticed in the Smash DLC.
>>739182883Your list is wrong, here I'll fix it:>Eight Fire Emblem characters
>>739168521Fuck no. Nintendo doesn't have enough interesting characters. The original 12 are basically the only interesting characters. If smash were to be nintendo focus it would be nothing but clones and generic enemies.>>739168682>Cut Duck Hunt, The original three starters,lil mac, and fucking young link, but keep inceneroar and lucario.Jesus nintendo fans have the worst taste.
>>739182907>The license fees, what about the license fees!!Dude, nobody fucking cares. If a company is unable to see how their character being represented in one of the most celebrated series of all-time may warrant a little leniency on license fees they deserve to fuck off. And yes, out of thousands of Nintendo characters only about 70 or so matter. You say that like it's absurd, but it's actually a pretty decent batting average. Not every NPC needs to be in Smash, Shy Guy doesn't need to be in Smash even though he is the best Nintendo character.
>>739168521I think some really, but really iconic and well known characters like sonic, Megaman and Pacman still have place in Smash, the rest should fuck off
>>739183284>Dude, nobody fucking cares.Except the ones who have to pay the fucking fees, you idiot. This shit isn't happening for free.>If a company is unable to see how their character being represented in one of the most celebrated series of all-time may warrant a little leniency on license fees they deserve to fuck off. You're overestimating how big Smash really is. The world never stopped because Smash was announced, and you also look at the amount of money and not the amount of licenses that add up. It's not just characters, it's assist trophies, spirits, mii costumes and so on. It adds up, so you want to keep the train going, you're going to have to renew the licenses, and the renewal prices are likely going to go up, just like the Switch 2's price increase as well as its base price being higher than the Switch 1. Never mind the new characters that people expect, those numbers are gonna be high too.>And yes, out of thousands of Nintendo characters only about 70 or so matter.So that includes eight fucking FE characters? Mario and Pokemon are self-explanatory, but FE's eight matter more than actual names who are still absent like Toad, Dixie Kong and any Zelda character that was in a big name title like Ocarina, Majora, TP, etc.? Never mind BotW or TotK.Better yet, pic related proves there's still more to add when people were calling him irrelevant prior to his reveal. Show me a 3rd party who got something like this.
>>739168682>removing R.O.B., Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Pokemon Trainer, Rosalina and the Miis>removes Villager but keeps Isabelle>keeps Marth, Roy (the original Smash clones), Robin and Byleth, but removes Ike, and still has the nerve of saying that FE needs yet another new rep>no Wii Fit Trainer on sight>adds Alph on the "to be replaced list" when he's just an alt skin of OlimarLook, credit where it's due, the game has way too many clones and calling them "Echo Fighters" doesn't remove the fact that characters like Daisy, Richter, Dark Pit, Dark Samus, Lucina and Chrom are almost 1:1 clones of their counterparts, this also applies to Falco and Wolf who all have the same movesets as Fox, and same with Young Link and Toon Link, just turn them into the same character with different skins or remove them altogether, they play too similar to regular Link. Eliminate Echo Fighters as a whole and just have different characters as skins.On the other hand, it's due time for everyone to have their movesets completely reworked. Samus has no reason to have such an outdated moveset considering that she has remained completely unchanged since 64, Ganondorf is still a Captain Falcon clone and no one should pretend otherwise, give him a proper moveset based on his different incarnations, and Donkey Kong could easily get a whole new set based on Bananza.Finally, Ring Fit Adventurer for Smash 6, and no, they're completely different from Wii Fit Trainer.
>>739183919>Show me a third party announcement that got a newspaper articlewhy is an article in a dying medium more important than millions of views across dozens of uploads, and thousands of articles generated by third party character reveals?>BLAH BLAH BLAH FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS 8 OF THEM???Not every Nintendo character who matters is in Smash and just because they are in Smash doesn't mean they matter.
>>739184074>Donkey Kong could easily get a whole new set based on Bananza.I'd rather they remove DK than shoehorning that shit game
>>739184352It's coming and so is the new design, cry about it.
>>739184486Bananza's sales fell off a cliff, you lost, Miyamoto lost.Imagine still getting mogged by old Rare decades later.
>>739184306>Not every Nintendo character who matters is in Smash>proceeds to post a whislist with bottom of the barrel, obscure and turbo niche characters
>>739168521The could replace a couple faggot emblem slots with literally anyone else of interest. I would take Homer Simpson over any of that faggot emblem shit. I would literally eat shit directly from an ass if Nintendo said they would remove a couple. Marth and Roy can stay. Ike is okay too, but only because if I bring him up, then it will upset somebody reading this post.
>>739180321brain drain, industry talent as aged out from the 90s/00s, demographic decline, and all the kids that wouldve said "i want to make video games when i grow up" turned into "i want to be a youtuber when i grow up", so all the people left are weird silicon valey rejects from san francisco
>>739184565Oh, it's you, I should have imagined. Don't you have another thread to make with the only webm of the game you have?
You would have to be a retard to ban third parties from Smash. Third parties are about the only exciting Smash reveals left. Otherwise it's shit like New Pokemon, New Fire Emblem guy, Ring Fit Trainer, Waluigi, etcetera.
>>739183919Steve litteraly broke an entire website used by millions. Genuinely more significant than pàper with words that only boomers read on the gas station. And that's not even assuming that they have phones.
>>739184594>Marth and Roy can stayMarth can stay, Roy can fuck off or become an alt skin. The only reason he was added originally in Melee was to promote his game which wasn't even released outside of Japan originally.>Ike is okay too, but only because if I bring him up, then it will upset somebody reading this post.Yes, me.
>ruined discussionWell call me psychotic but personally I'm a little more concerned about whether the game itself is good and fun than whether some retard on /v/ is going to be obnoxious about it.No, you're right, we should change the game because of internet fights.
>>739184821Marth can fuck off while we're at it. His games were originally Japan only and the remake of his first one sold so badly they didn't bother localizing the remake for the second. Anyone claiming he's the face of Fire Emblem like Cloud is for Final Fantasy is a fucking tourist.
>>739185037agreed
>>739168521The 3rd party characters aren't even fun to play as. Now they just need to not fluff the roster with clones and we'll have something good again
>>739184821Roy is a more fun version of marth.If they make a new smash, I do wonder if they will include the FE gacha characters somehow. They could probably make a lot of FE fans and smash fags happy if they just made a pokeball version for FE characters that summons random FE characters so they stop taking up so many spots in smash.
>>739184306>Not every Nintendo character who matters is in Smash and just because they are in Smash doesn't mean they matter.This contradicts your statement that >Every worthwhile Nintendo character has been addedAnd then you say the ones that are there don't really matter. You played yourself boyo. Try again next time.>Bottom imageNow show the other 3rd parties.
Smash Bros should be Fire Emblem-focused
>>739169039If it's all new pokemon than it was forgiven back in black and white. Would be really bold to do a smash with no returning characters though
>>739185037I don't agree on removing him since he's the OG Fire Emblem lord, but he's definitely way less popular than people really think he is. Ike on the other hand remained the most popular lord even after Fates was released, as long as you ignore everything past that game because 3H and Engage fans are literal subhumans who poisoned FE's discussions without repair.>Anyone claiming he's the face of Fire Emblem like Cloud is for Final Fantasy is a fucking touristLet's be fair, Cloud is by far the most recognizable FF MC, at least by the sheer amount of side content 7 got since the game's release.
>>739185169>They could probably make a lot of FE fans and smash fags happy if they just made a pokeball version for FE characters that summons random FE characters so they stop taking up so many spots in smash.Ah yeah, remember how Lynfags seethed so hard when she was made an assist trophy? Fun times.
>>739185037If they had to have somebody, Martha's kit at least feels good to play with and against, unlike many of the other fire emblem cast. Ike being a meme is funny to me, but the others are far and away too overdesigned, and as a result even brainless retards can accidentally get free wins. Smash games aren't fun when your most retarded friend can pick up any of the fire emblem cast and fall up a ladder. Sword characters is an argument on its own, but I much prefer just blindly hating on fire emblem, mostly because it's a mediocre dating Sim series that lauds itself as an strategy game.
>>739168521Yes, that would appeal to a lot of the old enjoyers of Smash, but that isn't what the modern audience wants. People see smash now as a ""celebration of gaming"", and are more concerned with their favorite 3rd party "getting in" than actually playing the game and having fun. It is insane how people are swept away by marketing and online fandom, but could care less about the actual fucking game. There is too much money to lose by ignoring this modern audience and listening to us instead. As a result, I expect more 3rd parties than ever in the next iteration.
>>739184597did you reply to the right person?
>>739182308>Anyone hoping for Ultimate DX really needs to understand that the world in 2016 when the project plan was already decided and 2024-25 or so assuming it's in development now is way different.Its not even just that. Nintendo's financials were a completely different shape. When Smash Ultimate was being planned (late 2015) Nintendo made 40 billion yen. As of this most recent holiday, Nintendo made 424 billion yen, and that's up from 237 billion yen they made last year. A big reason Nintendo went all in on the "Celebration of Gaming" is the same reason dying gacha games collab with Persona 5. They hope people will come for Persona and stick around. Smash Ultimate was the same way. Nintendo's value was low so they were hoping you'd buy in because of all these "gaming icons" they added to Smash. Nintendo isn't in that situation anymore so they don't need to shill a bunch of other company's characters. For reference, Mario Kart 8 did the exact same thing around the same time just with Nintendo characters. Now they've backed off and made it just Mario again. Smash will probably follow in the same path Not to mention what Smash was doing isn't that special in a post-Fortnite world.
>>739184597Games used to be a place for abover average white nerds. It became very normie a while ago. When you realize that, the current state of the industry is obvious.
>>739184821Outside of Melee compfags, everyone prefers Roy to Marth as a character.
>>739182883If it was just Nintendo, it would probably look something like this>Sportsmate>Ayumi>A Rhythm Heaven character>Pauline>Raru>Sylux>Oatchi>Pokemon>Alear or some other FE character>Noah>Mio>OctolingSmash has always featured characters from the more recent games and the next one will do the same
>>739176704I want the game to have more content outside the character select screen, but do most people feel this way?
Real talk, do you guys think they'd bring back Trophies or Spirits? Or cut both of them for something new?
>>739182883I could see Bandana Dee still being possible at the current rate Smash is heading towards. But he'd be one of the worst outcomes for Kirby right now.
>>739186105I'd really like trophies back, but quality over quantity trophies. Not "we recycled these low poly models from an old game LOL" trophies. The same way they had all these composers doing tracks for Brawl, get some 3D modelers to make outstanding high poly trophies with details that can be appreciated on a 4K TV. Something like 5 to 10 depending on game series.
As someone who likes Melee/PM I genuinely don't understand what people even like about smash ultimate so I don't know what they really want for Smash 6, I just know my ideal roster and game is something they don't want.
>>739187307If I remember right, the issue with trophies wasn't just the models, but also the fact the descriptions had to be translated to a LOT of languages and that took up a lot of dev time. It was the reason there weren't any for Spirits
>>739168521The next Smash should be a new genre, like an Arena fighter, something similar to Kid Icarus Uprising's competitive mode.Let's be honest here, Sakurai isn't interested in making an actually good platform fighter. Every recent Smash still suffers from the choices he made with Brawl, and they have shitty online on top of it. At this point Sakurai's Smash games just exist to be modded into Melee (Brawl/Project M, 4/4xM, Ultimate/HDR).We're never outdoing Ultimate's roster anyway, let's just reboot the series.
>>739168521It should expand to include all media, so the autismos requesting Goku and Shrek will be fulfilled
>>739178191You know Xenoblade is owned by Nintendo, right?
>>739168521Honestly, I'd like that. Mostly because I grew up with Smash being either all Nintendo characters or only having two of them in it. So it's like going back to basics. Plus, most of the characters I want in Smash are Nintendo characters, so I don't lose anything by not having them.
>>739185916>Ayumi>Alear The Fire Emblem>Noah>MioSo based picks? I’m all in
>>739187508Smash Ultimate is pretty much a deluxe version of Smash 4. The goal of the game was to add as many characters as possible so they cut a lot of corners in other parts of the game. Actually playing the game is a pretty shitty experience but it made the rosterfags happy.
>>739188289Adding Goku is a lose-lose situation where he's going to get flak regardless of whether he ends up being a low-tier character or outright busted to play.
>>739188992To be honest my ideal smash roster is more of a collection of moveset archetypes, like Melee's fox or jigglypuff and PM's Ike and Lucario, and then having multiple character skins that fit those particular roles. Fulfills the rosterfag desires while also giving the game good gameplay.
>>739181725>muh twelllve!!Anytime they make special note of the original roster they have only ever cared about the original 8. Luigi is the exception but Ness Falcon and Jiggly have been irrelevant for 20 years
>>739168521Nah, the issue is the gameplay; nerfed hitstun, nonexistence jumping momentum, and overpowered defensive options. All still garbage since Brawl (which fans had to fix). The roster has been fine since Brawl and especially Smash 4. Only autistics care about roster purity, removing characters or even adding characters at this point. Everyone important is already in the game.
>>739169039content isnt just characters >>739185859>as a character.L M A O, no body who actually played binding blade likes roy as a character>>739187307no trophies was such a disappointment, i would honestly be fine with recycled ones
>>739168521My biggest gripe with SSBU (notwithstanding how unlimited patches made everyone move the same, and be boxed into unique kill confirms) is that many characters feel like filler. Plenty have no reason to actually be in the game beyond shilling and "Oh yeah, my manager told me to add him in "just because".". Many newer characters that are staples of Nintendo, like the Splatoon characters, feel so different mechanically compared to the Core 12 that it's like they're playing a different game so they don't mesh well with everyone else.I debated putting Pit and Palutena in "Moving Away from Smash" for this reason because the former is a wet noodle with strange specials while the former has drastically unique ranged attacks. Compare them to Banjo and Hero, who despite debuting as Ultimate DLC, plays as though they debuted in the original Smash 64 and Melee respectively.
>>739192556>Hero, who>plays as though they debuted in the original Smash 64 and Melee respectively.what the fuck
>>739192696Without his mana mechanic exaggerating/diminishing his attacks, he reminds me of Melee Link.
>>739190970this would be my ideal smash roster
>>739192775>dude if you just change the character its a different character xD
>>739192871White square number 3 is my main>>739192556Inkling and K. Rool down at the bottom?? What are you doing man
>>739168682Retard
>>739192556>the former is a wet noodle with strange specials while >the former has drastically unique ranged attacksThis has to be the stupidest post in this entire thread and that's saying something
I would definitely reduce the amount of Pokemon and FE reps since those are the ones who are always guaranteed to get new characters, which only bloats the roster even further, along reworking the not-clones-anymore-but-still-clones characters like Falco and Ganondorf. Personally, I would remove Roy, but I agree with one of the anons above that his kit can be even more fun than Marth's. I'm also a bit biased about Bayonetta, considering 3 out of 4 games are Nintendo exclusive.There's still a lot of fluff, but I agree 100% that Smash should return back to be a Nintendo-only franchise and stop bloating it with third parties. The game can stand by itself, it doesn't need external help anymore, they should focus on their own characters and on improving the gameplay while adding new modes, specifically a new story mode like Subspace Emmisary and bring back Smash Run.
>Sakurai says it might be difficult to get the rights to certain characters like Sora, Cloud, or Sephiroth>”here’s my roster with like 25 characters cut for some reason”
>>739192871>Four Tetris shapesOverrepped
>>739194982The best trifecta of FE reps is Marth, Ike and Robin. Each is unique and popular enough. The new FE MC is most likely getting in so that’s 4. Xenoblade is most likely getting Noah & Mio together to rep Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and that’s it. Pokemon? I’d say Meowscarada to complete the fully evolved starter triangle started with Greninja. Stuff like Pombo will most likely be left to Pokeball Pokemon.
>>739195310>The best trifecta of FE reps is Marth, Ike and Robin.Agree, if we have to keep it at 3 that’s the best outcome, though I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t get rid of Byleth, after all it’s from the most popular modern entry>Xenoblade is most likely getting Noah & Mio together to rep Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and that’s itProbably only Mio, Noah would be a bit too similar to Shulk>PokemonThat depends when the game launches, for sure it will be after WW releases, so probably will be Pombon or whoever’s the most shilled starter is, if for some reason development is so advanced that they can’t fit a gen 10 Pokemon, maybe Pokopia Ditto or a ZA shilled Mon like Zygarde or Floette
>>739195551>even though nobody played Earthbound...wait, but then... what am I?
>>739195885The biggest Earthbound fan who's playing Earthbound for the first time.
>>739195885A FAGGOT!!!!!!!
>>739196094Yeah that's pretty factual
I wish Sakurai took the Min-Min approach to representing games earlier. Fire Emblem games really needs to be represented by more than their Lords. The Fates rep should have been Camilla and the 3H rep should have been Dimitri. Axes, magic, and lances would have been covered by them, maybe with some effort Camilla's wyvern could have been worked in.
>>739196323What the game needs is antagonists and villains, so instead of Camilla, Ashnard would be a better pick if you want to cover a wyvern fighter, and instead of Dimitri, Edelgard would be the designated 3H villain.
