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>>739173797For god's sake a just want a female third Jevil
Ah, man, I hate kids' birthday parties. This is gonna be worse than that time I was stuck behind Robert Loggia at the airport.
>>739173797That would be fanservice retard-San, and a betrayal of Flowey as a character in Undertale. Get a grip, there will be no Flowey
>>739173797I'm ready for not!Flowey as the golden flower darkner, yeah
A lot of fans are basically fans of fandom itself. It's all about them.They have mastered the "Star Wars" or "Star Trek" universes or whatever, but their objects of veneration are useful mainly as a backdrop to their own devotion. Anyone who would camp out in a tent on the sidewalk for weeks in order to be first in line for a movie is more into camping on the sidewalk than movies.Extreme fandom may serve as a security blanket for the socially inept, who use its extreme structure as a substitute for social skills. If you are Luke Skywalker and she is Princess Leia, you already know what to say to each other, which is so much safer than having to ad-lib it. Your fannish obsession is your beard. If you know absolutely all the trivia about your cubbyhole of pop culture, it saves you from having to know anything about anything else. That's why it's excruciatingly boring to talk to such people: They're always asking you questions they know the answer to.
>>739174956Deltarune has plenty of Undertale fanservice. It won't be Flowey 2.0, though.
>>739173797I'm interested to see how Toby would handle Flowey as a darkner as a separate biological character from Asriel.
>>739174227Invest in Dess/Knight
I don't play Deltarune but I just want to point out that Asriel in the original was a massive downgrade from flowey
>>739174227only males can become schizobosses because women go into hysterics insteadyoull just have to cope with people drawing the shadow mantle with tits
Flowey still is the best character Toby has come up with, and it's kind of sobering how few UT/DR fans realize this.
>>739176093Andrew Cunningham made a great video on this
>>739176084The mantle is sexier as a flattie with a fat ass
Asriel isn't dead.
So, what's a DELTARUNE anyhow?
>>739176093Unironically agreed, he's probably my second favorite character.
>>739176226it's the friends we made along the way
>>739176226Take a guess
>>739176226The legend/prophecy
>>739176093>flowey>wants to be God>Asriel>"hypergod of ultra death" or something cringe like that>"actually I just wanted a friend and to not be alone"all that tells me is that you become cooler when you lack a soul
How does it feel knowing Deltarune will never get a meme funnier than this was?
>No Gaster>No Chara>No direct confirmation of Sans being from/going to UNDERTALE at the end>No overt UNDERTALE connections for the characters or SOUL>Asriel eiither doesn't arrive or just appears at the very end as a sort of a before-credits/after-credits epilogueYour response?
>>739176512I have no expectations for how this wraps up other than the music probably being cool
>>739176508I don't see Spamtom the n your post
>>739175635>>739176084Go fuck yourselves >>739176512mike'd
>>739176508>Undertale's funniest meme: Fingers in his Ass.>Deltarune's funniest meme: Driving in my Car.Notice how they both involve the GOAT?
>>739176512why are people so obsessed with Gaster
>>739176672Simple. That's because Gaste
What is the absolute worst way that Toby could end Deltarune (that's actually plausible to happen)?
>>739176512No Gaster is shit No Chara is good, outside of the schizo killing himself there's no benefits to Chara in Deltarune As long as it's implied that would be fine, we don't need Sans lore explicitly said to us There's already overt Undertale connectionsThat would be lame because Asriel is the first thing we hear in Deltarune.
>>739176504Flowey wants Chara back as much as Asriel does. He mistakenly believes Frisk is Chara the entire game. In Pacifist he finally sees that Frisk is not Chara, in Genocide he's giddy that Chara's finally come back just for Chara to kill him on the spot.Don't forget that the first thing Flowey did was try to make everyone happy before he started tormenting them.
>>739176504Flowey just wanted a friend, too, as he confesses in genocide. The god thing was a LARP
>>739176730Consult Homestuck.
>>739176735>There's already overt Undertale connectionsWhich ones? Aside from thematic parrarels of similar characters or having a prophecy with the ANGEL and, well, the Delta Rune
>>739176672DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO NOT EXIST?TO SEE YOURSELF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE MIST?I AM THE HERO THAT NEVER CAME!BUT NOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, I'M HERE TO STAY!
>>739176808The Mettaton NEO body, Gaster's existence, Gerson in 4 being a warrior, Toriel and Undyne’s outfit, telling Sans it's nice to see him again.
>>739176730There really is only one ending and the finale mocks you for trying to change it if you went Weird Route
>>739176730The game has multiple endings and the "there's just one ending" was fucking nothing.Bonus if it's Susie and Noel's love that leads to the good ending.
>>739176672He's a mysterious cool guy that was associated with the most popular Undertale character.
>>739176730There's no ending, the story ends like Paper Trail whete you need to write the ending yourself.
>>739176093He's great. I wish he appeared more while walking through the underground but keeping his presence to a minimum was probably for the best.Watching him interact with the fun gang in delta would be awesome. Annoying and rage baiting Susie to no end, doompilling Ralsei, mocking Kris for the situation he ended up in, for betraying his friends, pure gold.
>>7391768451. It's just a pararrel, like an AU. It doesn't necessarily mean there is a world of UNDERTALE in the world of DELTARUNE.2. The only valid point, although we technically do not know that the device entity is Gaster, it's just been taken as "pretty-much-fanon" a this point.3. Again, that's just a parallel. He is also a warrior because it's not really him, but his Lord of the Hammer fantasy persona. The real Gerson was just a teacher.4. Meta nods, not connections.5. Meta joke.Obviously DELTARUNE is aware you've probably played UNDERTALE, but that doesn't mean that it's connected to the world of UNDERTALE in any way. Same way Psycho Mantis remarking on your having played Castlevania doesn't mean Castlevania exists in or any way related to the world of Metal Gear.
>>739176730>"it's all about friendship"
>>739176849>>739176892The duality of man
>>739176226Your Mom
>>739177017By "connections" I thought you meant references, not Undertale and Deltarune having an actual crossover, but Toby already promised there's connections between the two games. Also "It’s raining somewhere else" and "the place where it rained"
>>739177157What would the best connection be?>The game hints that there is SOME connection, but it never gets any clearer>UNDERTALE is a parallel world to DELTARUNE that's not really connected to UT in any way, but Sans escapes there at the end>UNDERTALE is the world of DELTARUNE after the roaring / everything being subsumed by darkness>UNDERTALE is a Dark World of DELTARUNE somehow
>>739177252The second one, and the one I bet is canon. Toby already said Deltarune is Undertale's parallel story. Also implied by both rain songs they exist in parallel.
>>7391772524th would be stupid but also kino.It would seemingly contradict some things in UT, but if Toby manages to come up with an explanation that doesn't feel too contrived it would be awesome and recontexualize the whole story of UT yet again after so many years. It's also very dangerous and he could easily ruined beloved shit with this so he should tread carefully if he does this.
>>739176730There is only one ending. The dark worlds are closed for good, characters basically end up in the same place as they started. Noelle and Kris remain estranged, Kris and Susie end on bad terms, Susie moves town again, Asgore still simps for Toriel, etc.It gives you a similar feeling to a mid tier neutral Undertale ending. Like what was even the point.
>>739173797Flowey like flowers of the 6 flowers in the glass with different personalities would be better than just him again
>>739177575This but the six flowers are based on UT's human souls.
>>739177015Even though I love the humans due to their ambiguity I can't deny that Flowey/Asriel is probably Toby's best written character. He just has a lot of depth, both emotional and in the meta sense. Plus I think him not having much screen time makes the scenes with him more impactful which is why him literally being in Deltarune would be something I wouldn't like much.
My prediction for Chapter 5 is that the Weird Route will have a softlock right at the end of the chapter, but (you) are gonna break through it with your sheer power just like you did with Spamton NEO. After that it will be impossible to abort the Route.
>>739177797That would be kino and we will use Noelle up to break the softlock.
>>739177631This would probably be the best outcome, DR has been used to fill the blanks for UT like Gerson as a warrior, a real mettaton neo fight, what chara was like through Kris etc.This would be a good way of showing what the humans were like without actually showing them
>>739177920I've been wanting and expecting that since Chapter 1, and now because of the blue flower dialogue I'm very hopeful it will happen.
>>739176596If the Knight is a darkner you also get your female darkner schizo.
>>739176730Mass Effect 3 on release style endings
>>739178184My six wives...
Flowey my beloved
>>739179541>whites onlyBut Frisk is a yellow asian girl.
>>739174227you already have her
>>739174630
>>739179509I prefer non jobber wives myself but not a bad choice
I'll have to be honest deltachads, I've been doing this for months and I think I ran out of things to say.If we don't get another word from Toby Fox soon... we might DIE... from STARVATION!!
>>739177496I don't know why people try to equate "There only one ending" with "Your choices don't matter". The latter is a character in the story telling you something, the former is the author, outside of the story, and in a page meant to give you information about the game, telling you something. To me they feel completely different.
>>739180814Chara jobbed to a bunch of farmers though. She should have been able to push through Asriel's resistance if she truly hated humans so much.
>>739181245You just have to keep WAITing, dude. Just WAIT.
>>739181245It's honestly amazing how we still have daily threads that hit bump limit like half a year after we ran out of shit to discuss
>>739181593It's the power of autism
>>739181353Frisk's non jobber aura elevates Chara from her jobber status, as expected from best girl
>>739180814They tried their best, and that's all that counts!
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>>739178672>>739180217Why is it so hard to understand that the main antagonist of the story showing up early and not saying a single word has none of the appeal I'm looking for?
>>739182104If Toby wasn't a coward we should've been able to make the Flowey Fan Club
>>739177920>>739178184Nothing says "imagine" more than obliterating the wiggle room for different interpretations by giving a single mold to the previous humans that will definitely lead to all fan games feeling the same and artists screeching at the ones that aren't "canon compliant".
>>739182521Toby literally said that his opinion matters as much as ours. Just because Toby is exploring a concept doesn't mean people can't do their own takes. People can still do UT Gerson and Mettaton Neo fights for example.
>>739182608I don't think you understand how autists work.No matter what Toby says, I'm afraid of fun shit like murderhobo Integrity disappearing depending on how he does the bluest flower.
>>739182849That's not his fault, plus Yellow already did that by killing all Yellow soul interpretations outside of Clover. We're just getting that but for everyone else.
>>739182849My wife Integrity did nothing wrong because the monsters were racist.
>>739181936That's fine, I just like non-jobber humans. My wives need to be STRONG.
if toby doesnt drop news soon this thread will seriously implode
>>739183518>Integrity did nothing wrong.Yeah sure whatever, hope she enjoyed the taste of the curb.
>>739184703Non-canonslop
>>73918463618 more days to the 3/4 anniversary, trust the plan.
>>739184579To each their own!>>739184703Jobber robot that gets blown up by a cowgirl.
>>739184636Only this thread? More like the fandom.
>>739184636Toby staying quiet is the way to avoid "the criminal gameshow host called Mike" from happening again.
post does this thread is still salvageable
>>739181298The same author has cast doubt on the idea that there's "only one ending?" outside of the story. It's also becoming increasingly apparent that changing the ending, changing the FATE written into The Prophecy, is a driving goal for the Heroes, and they need You to do it. From the very beginning, we have been brought to DELTARUNE to "CREATE A NEW FUTURE.""Your choices don't matter" is narrative framing, "the game only has one ending" is metanarrative framing. Both of these assertions can be challenged.
>>739185676
Noelle is waifu for laifu
>>739185680Exactly. "Your choices don't matter" is Deltarune's "In this world, it's kill or be killed." The point is to prove it wrong.
>>739186035MY waifu.
>>739186046The only way Undertale pushed that question was by stating how Asgore had to die for Frisk to be free. And at the end of the day, that's not even the real point of the game, that being the detachment you get after spending so much time with those video game characters. Which makes me wonder what the real point of Deltarune will be.
i'm convinced people who think these guys are just going to be generic flower darkners are fucking retarded. after spamton neo, after tenna, and after gerson, toby's just going to pass up the perfect opportunity for fallen human fanservice. okay
>>739185680My problem with that is, if the intention is to cast doubt on the whole "there is only one ending", then why is it still unchanged in the FAQ section of the official Deltaune website? What's the metanarrative reasoning for leaving one changed and the other unchanged? It's not like the FAQ has simply been forgotten, it gets updated when there's new content, it got updated when Chapter 3 and 4 released, so why is that still unchanged? Also, I do have an other issue with this>It's also becoming increasingly apparent that changing the ending, changing the FATE written into The Prophecy, is a driving goal for the Heroes, and they need You to do it. From the very beginning, we have been brought to DELTARUNE to "CREATE A NEW FUTURE."The game having one ending doesn't imply that the ending must be the fulfillment of the prophecy, it could be the opposite, that the prophecy is always averted in a certain way no matter what.
>>739186363wrong pic, seems i was the retard all along
>>739186302I never saw Undertale's point as detachment but more about loving vs LOVING the vidya characters.
>>739186363...............Mike.........................
>>739186302>that's not even the real point of the gameNot what I meant to imply, sorry. I meant the point of the game making that assertion is to dare you to prove it wrong. And Undertale pushes it in every single battle, Toriel being the first obvious example where the Mercy condition isn't immediately made clear.
>>739186363It's just doomers. I have faith.
>>739186437I guess we don't really have an idea on what will be featured in this dark world, there isn't much variety in the shop, it might be all inside that closet, and that's not even considering the possibility it won't be the flower shop at all.
Mike is the Knight
>>739187064We have the Asgore prophecy and the bluest flower dialogue.
>>739187201Not enough information. Asgore might as well put those flowers back into a bouquet to try and fail to impress Toriel, and they end up in a completely different dark world. That wouldn't go against any of the information we have now.I have wanted a flower shop dark world since 2021 anon, but I'll not jump to conclusions again.
>>739185680>>739186046There will be only one ending, one outcome to your actions. Undertale presented you with two extremes (pacifist and geno), as well as everything in between (the 98 neutral endings). The fate of the underground was fully within your hands, you had the power, your only limit was your will to persevere and achieve your desired outcome.Deltarune will be the exact apposite. Nothing you do can change the future, your choices don't matter. This will extend to the characters as well, each of them will desperately try to hold on to something dear to them but fail. Not through any fault of their own, they will do everything within their power to reach their desire, but the circumstances simply don't allow for it.
>>739187439That's fine by me, I just want the flowers in the Dark World.
>>739187731room temp IQ take
>>739186035Humans are my favorite but doe is a very good waifu.
>>739187731Sun temperature IQ take.
>>739187965The worst outcome that doesn't go outright against the text are the flowers being just objects in the dark world, but at least the curtain cactus gives me a little hope against that.
>>739188003please, do enlighten us, oh-so genius anon, how will deltarune end?
>>739188129Yeah that's extremely unlikely. At worst I can see the seven flowers being a single hivemind to parallel Photoshop Flowey.
>>739188138With a semi-cliffhanger for "UNDERTALE 3".
>>739188307but that would make for a sick schizo boss
>>739188565It could work but I feel like it would be Photoshop Flowey 2. They being different characters that unite in one fight is better but it might be too much work for Toby.https://youtu.be/5IfNfKPOcvs
>>739176093Based Flowey enjoyer.
>>739188954Who did this to him?
>>739176093Flowey's genocide speech and reveal of how he was identical to the player is the peak of Toby so far.I think Gaster and weird route is going to be similar commenting on how people destroy art and the immersion of the world to find "answers" and "lore", even if it means twisting the story in ways it was never meant to bend
>>739189420Is this why Deltarune has so many mystery boxes?
>>739188880I mean, we already got Undyne 3 for the last schizo boss anyway.
>>739189502Probably, I think Toby finds something disturbing about the datamining of UT, so he leaned into it leaving a shit ton of easter eggs in the code.It's why weird route has you forcing Noelle into a player fan fulfilment OOC role she was never meant to, if it gets a new ending or info, who gives a shit? Gaster torments Darkners for secrets like the player torments the lightners, we're above the narrative and that only works if Toby baits the schizos with mystery boxes.
>>739189990People don't like it but Snowgrave is definitely a criticism of the typical knight x princess romance, too. That's why it's forced and rapey.
>>739189965I prefer Papyrus 3 for the next schizo, Photocopy Flowey 2 can be the main boss.
I just want this game to finally end so I can finally kill myself.
>>739185146It's a good thing we have different taste for humans. It's nice we have varied human enjoyers.
>>739176730If the game literally "doesn't have an ending" on the normal route and only has a true ending on the weird route.
>>739188350Based and factualThe next installment in the Undertale/Deltarune series will follow the adventures of Chara&Asriel as they adjust to normal life after they've been miraculously revived following the events of Deltarune.
>>739191237>People get their furry dating sim but it's HFOMA instead.
>>739189420Real fucking lame.I'll respect Gaster if he reflects Toby and how they both designed the suffering of the characters for their stories, and how they're both ultimately accomplices for enabling every violent player in both games.
>>739190834Don't do it anon. You have so much to live for. You just have to but look into your heart to find your way, it's never too late to turn your life around
>>739190834But what if Toby announces a THIRD game?
>>739190834You still have a few years until that happens, you must stay determined and hopefully your mind will change.
>>739177496I believe in time loop theory. The "ending" is going to be an escape from the cycle where Susie starts the game over again and never lets it end.
>>739190054I've been saying this for YEARS yet I got called out every time. Of course the point will be that you're bad for playing the game.
>>739192187It's just shippers. Chapter 5 might break people if Noelle gets used up.
>>739192274The bigger question here is what happens when Kris is "used up"I'm going to take a wild guess that we're going to hop to the vessel body at some point instead of Kris
>>739192274Chapter 5 might be a bit early for Noelle to be used up, though it's not impossible given we are gonna enter the bunker, and the mantle minigame has you using up the mage to open the last door, and it would make sense that you'd enter the bunker after/at the end of Chapter 5.
>>739192414I think all of board 3 is either done with the Vessel or a mindbroken Kris.
>>739176730>abloo bloo don't start the apocalypse kris and carol>uhhh FRIENDSHIP>nostalgia bad, change good>yes this game has been nonstop nostalgia references since 2018 but ignore that>dess is an asriel rehash>kris will watch from the chair>metafaggotry is just "you're a big meanie for playing the videogame" and some meaningless easter eggs>lorebait amounts to nothing>"It means whatever you decide, use your imagination">asgore remains a joke>no papyrusI'm making myself mad just imagining it.
>>739186374>What's the metanarrative reasoning for leaving one changed and the other unchanged?The same reason the game's narration insists that You and Kris are one and the same while Kris makes it increasingly clear that this is not the case.We know, in real life, that Deltarune was inspired by Toby's dream of the ending of a game. Toby wanted to make Deltarune to arrive at that ending. Creating the ending of Deltarune is the reason Deltarune exists.But, I don't think it's an accident that the story of Deltarune that we have now, 15 years later, revolves around a Prophecy that cannot be altered and leads to an inescapable end. It's not an accident that we have an author whose greatest work based on that Prophecy is forever unfinished, and a mysterious creator who seems to need us to complete "MY DELTARUNE."I think Toby Fox, after spending half his life working on this story in some capacity, is absolutely capable of reflecting on himself just as he reflected on his players in Undertale, and making his own experience with Deltarune part of its narrative.
>>739192586I've also been saying this nonstop for months and people keep denying it.
>>739192763>escapism bad>now let me write a 10 page essay on why vtubers are amazing with my fucked up wrists
>>739191598I sincerely doubt that. It's a wonder he is even making Deltarune and still keeping on after so long considering all the money and success he already has. The only thing keeping him going really is a dream.Once that's done, I don't think he'll have it in him to do it all again. Especially with his shit work ethic/management and fucked up wrists.Maybe he'll be helping out or supervising/"directing" on some other projects, but I don't think he'll actually be the lead dev anymore.Not only that, but there is basically two routes for him even if he does.1. Do something in the style of UT/DR again. (Whether a sequel or just something very similar).2. Do something completely different.People will most likely not care about UNDERTALE 3 in 203X. Hell, Deltarune barely has a fraction of a presense UT had. Everyone's getting older, and cultural tastes change as well. The tides of time are ever-changing.At the same time, he is known for his very signature style (which is also a bit too specific, which is limiting), so doing an un-Toby game would just not make sense as Toby; people will just be very disappointed without his usual trappings and antics. In that sense, he is like Kojima, but even more specific in his style (even if he executes it better IMO), so even more limited with what people expect and want of him.So I am not really sure what he can even do to both satisfy his very niche core base and/or entice the public at large at this stage.Maybe he'll just help co-write a VN or something, since writing and music are his fortes.I do wonder a bit what a creative person like him will go on to do with his later life. Wii he end up like Itoi? Time will tell.
>>739192970Sorry but I do not understand what you're trying to say with this. Are you implying that Toby at first wanted to make the game have only one ending but, between the creation of the FAQ, and the creation of the Steam page, he though about it, and decided to change it, hence the differences between them?
>>739193207nta but some things have indeed changed compared from SURVEY_PROGRAM and now, like the shadow crystals being added retroactively and the recruit system that didn't exist at all in chapter 1so it is possible toby changed his mind at some point, though it is weird he hasn't updated the FAQ with that yet
>>739193207Not him but I assume he means the idea of Deltarune only having the fever dream ending changed as Toby created Deltarune. Maybe the weird route is part of it.
>>739193173I suspect Toby will probably go full-on music production after Deltarune is complete. He's already done collaborative work with a lot of big companies.
>>739192586I think the door we need Noelle to enter is the one with the Vessel.
>>739191598>>739193173I remember Toby mentioning in an interview he wanted to make games after Deltarune which is also why he wanted to build connections and make a team. Plus he said before that Deltarune is part of the "Undertale series", too.
>>739193578I suspect he might've changed his tune after his probably unexpected 15-year dev cycle and failing health. We'll see. Hopefully he still has some determination left in him.
>>739193661This interview was after Chapter 2 or 1. He said Deltarune isn't the only game he's going to make in it.
Every new Chapter is an opportunity to reflect on your life up to that point.Thank you for taking so long, Toby.
>>739176730World reset. Dark worlds never existed, neither did Ralsei (last scene before reset is a tearful goodbye with Susie and Kris). Dess never went missing, Susie and Noelle are a couple, Kris is happy now. Roll credits.(Oh, but Toriel and Asgore are still divorced because Asgore is not allowed a happy ending.)
>>739176730pretty much it being a rehash of the halloween hck
>>739193207>between the creation of the FAQ, and the creation of the Steam page, he though about it, and decided to change itThe two parts of the story that seem most concerned with "getting a different ending," the Shadow Crystals and the Weird Route, were both added to the game with Chapter 2. In the time between Chapter 1 and 2, Toby spent months completing his outline of the whole game. It seems entirely plausible that it could have happened then.But I think it was more of the plan from the start. The story has "one ending," converging on that one point Toby dreamed of, but perhaps that still leads to different outcomes. Or there was "one ending" in a more final sense, but through Determination, you could reach more possibilities beyond that.We can't know until the game is done but I feel very confident it's never been as simple as "the game reaches the same end state no matter what you do." Even Halloween Hack wasn't that deterministic and straightforward.
TEST.
>>739195632Personally I still think the second ending is simply the weird route.
>>739194967This is also one of my biggest fears but I hope Toby grew as a person after everything.
>>739196545I do wholeheartedly believe there will only be one ending, but the mood, tone, and overall catharsis of the story will change based on your actions. What I think Toby Fox is trying to tell us is that your choices, to an extent, do matter. Inversely, no matter what you choose or what you do, fate is often dead set in stone. Ultimately, Toby Fox presents a world where character is destiny (hamartia). Toby does not physically force Kris, Susie, Ralsei, the Roaring Knight or any other character to fulfill the prophecy, rather, the prophecy is perfectly tailored to their natural flaws, knowing their free choices will naturally walk them into the trap.
>>739197525I heard this before, mainly comparing it to Undertale's neutral endings that also all end the same (Asgore killed, souls gone, Frisk out of the underground) but with different context. I guess I can see Toby doing the classic "one ending is the same but what happens afterwards is different" even if that's a bit hacky.
>>739195632I'm not sure about him changing his mind, if this really was the case it would still be really strange that one page was updated while the other wasn't.I do agree on an ending that is the same but potentially leads to different outcomes. The way I see it, Deltarune is all about creating new worlds, each chapter a new world is created, so I think it would make sense that the game ended with the creation of one final world. I think the actions you take in the game will shape this world. But, to keep in line with the game having one ending, this creation of a new world happens no matter what, there isn't an ending where a new world isn't created.
>halfway through the game>got to read most of The Prophecy>still don't know what the hell this is
>>739198534We don't know except that the Angel being banished will meet with its desire, whatever that means.
>>739198534it's the delta rune you dingus it's right there
>>739198534ralsei's version should be taken with a grain of salt he abridged and added in his own things in an attempt to change it/ sound more appealing
>>739173797If there’s no meta connection between DR and UT I’ll be disappointed.
>>739198807You mean, besides the one that's already there
Implications of one of Dess's posters being a literal sword?
>>739198959It's the Jackenstein map sword.
>>739198959she seems like someone who would say swood at the skate park
I just want the final boss remix of this manhttps://youtu.be/MJ9yRObJtjc?list=RDMJ9yRObJtjc
>>739176730i think that since chapter 3/4's release we're beyond the possibility of the ending and overarching story purely just being a big "escapism bad" metaphor so i'd say the new worst thing is just if the ending is a real nothingburger, but i'm not awake enough to think of any really terrible endings
>>739198807Your Gaster?
>>739197710>one ending is the same but what happens afterwards is differentI feel that Ralsei's explanation of dark worlds in chapter 3 (on top of being a thinly-veiled "dark, yet darker" reference) might be foreshadowing this. Especially the part about taking away light that wasn't there until reaching the other side. I think one of the things Toby is getting at is playing with the idea of games "ending" and what that really means. We've already seen some of this with the Hometown segments. Even after the boss is defeated and the fountain is sealed, it's not really "over" per se. Kris still has to walk home and live their normal life. Even after the board is completed and Tenna rolls the credits, there's always another board waiting And really, as long as Ralsei's fountain exists, the game never truly ends. As such, it could be seen as an endless prolonging of things. This is a thought that's brought up in Gerson's fight. Susie wouldn't have an ending, she wants things to go on forever. So what happens when you reach the end of something and decide to continue anyway? What happens when it gets darker than dark? There could very well be one "ending" but what we do could drastically alter what it leads to. Anyone with enough determination can open a dark fountain, but remember that the subsequent dark world is shaped by the thoughts and perceptions of who opens it. In this way, the ending is the metatextual dark fountain and what happens after is the metatextual dark world which has been shaped by the thoughts and perceptions of the player which were acted out over the course of the game. Like Toby said, "The world is as big as you want it to be."
>>739199189I’m a casual outside the fandom so frankly I know nothing about Gaster. I’d like the events of UT to be acknowledged as canon to DR on some level of reality.
>>739199367DR is an AU prequel bro, its not going to directly address events from those endings
>>739176226This is the Delta Rune
>>739199446If it’s an AU then it’s not really a prequel.
>>739199367I think it's more likely that what happens in Deltarune will affect Undertale rather than vice-versa.
>>739199367don't worry, everyone else knows fuck all about gaster as well outside of his former occupation and apparent death90% of what's attributed to gaster is just fan speculation
>>739199539Sans from DR ends up in UT and there's several hints supporting that
>>739176512>We already got Gaster>Good. Very good. Best if not included, actually>We don't need direct confirmation. Just a few more hints would be fine>We already got those>This is the actual retarded one.
>>739173797the nortubel of undertale
>>739198706>ralsei's version should be taken with a grain of saltChapter 4 corroborates it pretty strongly with The Prophecy stating that The Angel will be "BANISHED," and the SOUL gaining the power to "BANISH" the Titan SpawnIt seems likely that we're building up to some grand confrontation with "the angel" as the "final boss" of the game
>>739199872It's (You)
>>739188954What did he mean by this?
>>739199332Very well said, I don't have much to add except Mother 3's ending is similar to that. The Dark Dragon destroys everything and what happens afterwards exactly is up to us, we never see the new world.
>>739198959I don't think I get it.Why would the Guardian use the Queen piece instead of a rook, or something?
>>739199872It's Noelle.
>>739199082meant for >>739199082
>>739199529
>>739199872It's Chara
>>739200000Checked
>>739176512I wouldn't care? I'm playing Deltarune for itself, not for Undertale 2.
>>739200012I never played Mother 3, but that's a great connection. I need to get around to playing that.
>>739199872You really should not place any emphasis on Ralsei's version when we have the actual prophecy plate.(You) are, after all, the Angel.
>>739199529Actually, that's the "Darkheart"
>>739200426Play earthbound first if you haven’t, mother 2/3 go hand in hand
>>739200030Every annotated version of this map I've seen seemingly forgets that you need to backtrack until at least the knight fight in chapter 3 in order to escape.
>>739200030That's a bishop, anon
>>739200480Yeah. Delta Rune's in the center, though.
>>739173797Kris the most RAPED man in history
>>739200504I didn't like Earthbound's gameplay can I just watch youtube shorts edits instead
>>739200429PlayerAngel implies the one playing the game will meet with their desire before the end. That can not be guaranteed with everyone, ergo the player can't be the angel.
>>739200030>>739200516>Do chapter 1-5, and hit an end>Obtain the "Key">Return to the knight fight>Do *Something* different to get into chapter 6>Either go on to fight Sword Boss (Phase 2 knight, possibly Carol?)>Or go to the 5-dots room and then back down (Failing the Sword boss/Continuing normal deltarune?)>Proceed off the map into chapter 7.
>>739200875This is some OFF shit
>>739200504I've played 1 and 2. Don't know what's taken me so long with 3.
>>739185676This unironically how kris feels about noelle, but it's mostly out of guilt for feeling responsible for what happened to dess
>>739200762>To achieve an end and see what Gaster promised to you (You did answer his call, after all)>To regain your vessel.>Get one over on Kris>Obtain potassium>Fuck Susie (real)Thing is, thanks to the vagueness of prophecy, it doesn't have to be any one specific event.
>>739200875I think that once the ice/shelter key is obtained, it will stay with you between chapters like the shadow crystals doit will then let you enter the shelter on day 3 instead of it ending there (might have to give it to susie because kris won't let us use it)
>>739200668Unironically true. Every women in his life molested him.
>>739200982Kris liked Dess and hung out with Noelle out of obligation
>>739200030The bishop is the Titan because church world. Maybe the flower is also the rook.
>>739200426I haven't played it, either.
>>739200429>You really should not place any emphasis on Ralsei's versionThe oldest version of the Deltarune website from 2016 (after the first posting which just quoted ENTRY #17) is just this black-on-black message in Wingdings stating:THREE HEROES APPEAREDTO BANISH THE ANGELS HEAVENThe Prophecy confirms that "THE ANGEL" will be "BANISHED," and introduces our own power to "BANISH" enemies.I don't see why we would dismiss what has been presented as the Heroes' central objective from the beginning, after finally getting more context around it, even it's still unclear.Chapter 4 serves to recenter The Prophecy and the actual purpose and fate of the Heroes, after Chapter 2 and 3 were mostly wacky adventures that distracted from this. The trailer for the game depicts the Heroes confronting what appears to be the Angel. Chapter 4 contextualizes this as perhaps actually depicting the Titan fight, but the Titan itself seems like very clear foreshadowing for the ultimate confrontation with The Angel that the game has been setting up from the very start.>but (You)/Noelle/Gaster are The AngelWhoever you think "The Angel" is doesn't really matter, there can be another "Angel" that The Prophecy is talking about. Didn't you play Undertale?
>>739199152THEY JUST COULDN'T STOP ME! I'M GOING ALL UP ON THE ROOFTOPS! SWOOD THIS! SWOOD THAT!
>>739200762>PlayerAngel implies the one playing the game will meet with their desire before the end. That can not be guaranteed with everyoneYOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN FROM NOW ON
>>739201187>unfounded headcanon There’s a part of Kris that genuinely enjoys being sadistic towards Noelle, and to be sadistic towards someone requires not hate but a twisted kind of love.
>>739201048Might be two "keys", given Mantle.>Shelter KeyThe three codes>Ice KeyThorn Ring/Purified Crystal?
>>739200668"There are three people in this photo."
>>739201040>the angel only meets with it desire once it's banished>In other words, once the game is done, deltarune fans can finally stop WAITING and move on with their miserable livesbravo Toby
>>739201348I can accept being fucked up the ass. Doesn't mean I'm gonna like it
>>739201348This was retcon.
>>739200149That's actually true for Undertale. Her and Asriel.
why are people trying to pretend that noelle isn't the angelthis has been blatantly clear since ch2
>>739201818>retconhow
>>739201959That message is exclusive to survey program and not the actual Deltarune we payed for.
>>739201940Because being god is so hecking cool!
>>739202010>payedESLfriend...
>>739202010Survey program was what called us, anon. It wasn't retconned, lest toby managed to retcon reality itself
>>739201940Everyone sees a Prophecy which depicts what "The Angel" described in The Prophecy "actually looks like" >>739199872Kris and Susie are both disturbed by looking at it. Susie doesn't recognize it as Noelle, or anyone else. It's not Noelle, unless she's doomed to undergo some grotesque apotheosis, which is possible.Multiple characters fit the role of "the angel" in Undertale and that's very likely to be the case in Deltarune as well, there's no real reason to fixate on this
>>739202223New players will just skip it and not do the agreement meaning the argument falls flat when a good chunk of players will never experience it.
reminder about Kris>been to Dark Worlds before (you) came along>sandbags literally every encounter, goes just a bit harder during Snowgrave Spamton, Tenna on Sword Route, and Knight when Susie and Ralsei are swooned >Has a Knife that can probably OHKO any monster in the Light World>Knows gameplay mechanics and how (you) interact with them>Proven in game that he could have prevented everything about Snowgrave but chose not tooWHAT else is this little rat fuck hiding?
>>739202534Only two characters fit the angel role in Undertale, which is Chara and Asriel. I don't expect everyone else to be the angel in Deltarune without strong evidence.
>>739202660>New players will just skip it and not do the agreement meaning the argument falls flatYou agree to the terms of a game by playing it
>>739202534Yep, that’s my hero susie fighting me
>>739202742He can also enter the shelter anytime he wants.
>>739202765Except there's no terms of playing anymore. You can't agree to something you aren't aware of.
>>739202948When you choose to play a game, you agree to follow its rules. That's how every game works.If you refuse, you're not playing anymore. There's no game if you're not willing to play along.Get it?
>>739203398Unless Toby puts the agreement back on we aren't forced to follow his rules, unless he's an actual jew.
>>739203491>Unless Toby puts the agreement back on we aren't forced to follow his rulesThat's true. You can stop playing whenever you choose.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ZCzBhIRzo
>>739203617It's just like the hecking Halloween Hack...
>>739202752The player easily fits the angel. We are the only reason any outcome happens.Frisk also fits, as our vessel. Asgore directly identifies them as such on a repeat neutral ending.I assume this tumblr post from 2016 is the root of the idea that only Asriel and Chara fit the rolehttps://www.tumblr.com/nochocolate/137038051465/the-angel-from-the-prophecyThe account of the prophecy in Waterfall, uniquely, frames The Angel as a Messianic figure by claiming "They will return." Gerson and Asgore's interpretation of the prophecy don't include this detail.This post makes the claim that "this is the official prophecy, recorded in history for all monsters to see." This is obviously not true, Gerson clearly states that the prophecy and the meaning of the Delta Rune has been completely lost, as it predates the monsters own history. And Gerson and Asgore have been around for a large chunk of that history, before the monsters were sealed underground.It's easy to dismiss the messianic angle as one conflicting account, but the player (and Frisk) both arguably still fulfill it. We return to the Underground every time we reload our SAVE file, or reset.
>>739194967qrd?
Imagine if Chapter 5 only comes out Q4 2026
>>739204094Could also be the fact that the resident flower mistakes the player for the original fallen human, or the fact that a Red Soul in any form appeared in the underground a second time, which may be consrued as a "return"
>>739204094This feels like a stretch and it's debunked by River Person directly stating to (you) that the angel is yet to come (The Angel is coming). Truthfully only Chara and Asriel fit the prophecy we actually hear and neither Asgore nor Gerson say that's wrong, only that the true meaning of Deltarune is lost (implying it can be a savior or a destroyer), Asgore is supposed to be wrong about thinking Frisk is the Angel just as he was wrong about her taking his soul to free his people. I've never seen any good arguments for Undertale Player Angel
>>739204502I feel like River Person should know who it is, and they don't seem to think it's (you)
>>739204530"Is coming" is not "Yet to come"That's in the process of coming.
>>739203617but others are relying on krisif kris gives up, what happens to them?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1axevc0iEqE
>>739204704Yeah, which still doesn't make sense for (you) or Frisk since we already there. Meanwhile Asriel and Chara are in the process to come.
>>739204586I'd point out that misidentification is a fairly regular occurance in Undertale.
>>739174630R as in Robert LoggiaO as in oh my God it's Robbert Loggia
>>739204863wtf is this real?
>>739204836I don't think River Person even misidentifies anything since they're a lore cryptic character.
>>739205449I mean, that just makes it worse for him, since he might be lore Cryptic in a meta-sense: he knows you are the Angel, but he also knows that you don't know that and is being cryptic about it.
>>739205579It really feels like a stretch compared to the idea of the angel just being Chara/Asriel in the process of reaching their "angel" form.
>>739203398Not him, but the moment that software is on my PC, it belongs to me, at that point I make the rules.
>>739205579I'll one-up you: it's possible that River Person doesn't know anything at all, and is simply a speaker of prophectic shit he has no idea about.
>>739198534This is ralsei's rephrasing of the final tragedy, >>739200429, this panel takes place directly after the final tragedy. The final tragedy is THE GIRL killing her love, which has become the angel.In the normal route, this is Susie killing Noelle, who has become the angel.In the weird route, this is Noelle killing us, who has become the angel.
>>739203617>You can stop playing whenever you choose.I can't help but find this kind of meta writing unbearably kitsch.
>>739206378You would love spec ops the line
>>739206542Dude the white phosphorus scene is the DEEPEST scene in any videogame. This was when videogames became ART.
fat sans ass sitting on my faceiykyk
>>739206676Alphys...
>>739206378Yeah it's shit which is why the Halloween Hack sucks.
>>739206676How does one fuck or get fucked by Sans?
>>739176093The best character is clearly papyrus
>>739176730If he does his IMAGINE shit againI am worried because Gerson kept on saying shit about lord of the hammer never getting completed because nobody else wanted to finish writing it
>>739191598It'll take 12 years unless he changes dramaticallyI might not be roped along until I'm 50
>>739205675You can change the game, if you'd like.But then it's not the same game anymore, is it?>>739203989>>739206378Like it or not, it's true.The story of a book is already written, but the story of a game only happens when you play it.
>>739207932>The story of a book is already written, but the story of a game only happens when you play it.Woah...........
>>739207932>But then it's not the same game anymore, is it?No, but that's the point.
>>739207997it really...makes you think...
>>739207474Ask Toriel/Fanon Frisk
>>739207932I payed the 25 dollars for a good experience.
>>739208287Why is Gaster such a creep
>>739208991Being alone turns you into one.
>>739208991He’s autistic, let him do his science in peace
>>739208991you get shattered across space and time and see how well your social skills hold up
How did he know
>>739209340that was toby himself we know he posts here
>>739209340>Sept 18 2022well,
>>739207048>>739207474https://x.com/BigBChevalier/status/2056512740630446564
>>739194371>UndertaleMiddle school, this is everything I've done in life and it's still far from over.>Deltarune Chapter 1Midway through high school, I'll soon be an adult but it still feels far away.>Chapter 2In college, and probably not much of a future with the quarantine going on.>Chapters 3+4Final year of college and I got my first job, fucking hell.>Chapter 5 (Soon TM)Some things are rough but at least I can finally live without having to worry about exams and I have some money to do things.Didn't include the UT Demo because I wasn't in the know back then.
>>739209340This was post Sweepstakes, so a fraud.
>>739209472Only Sans fangirls can draw anything related to Sans well.https://files.catbox.moe/slpqf0.png
>>739194371>Undertale4th grade>Deltarune Chapter 18th grade>Deltarune Chapter 2Sophomore year of High School>Deltarune Chapter 3+4Sophomore year of College
>>739209960Fuck off jerry you cunt
>>739194371Everything in my life has gotten progressively worse since the release of Undertale. I don't think I'm gonna make it to the end of Deltarune.
>>739210117You will get more slop *evil Jerry laugh*https://wimg.rule34.xxx//images/2547/9162f02211b8b69b5e707c0c410c1f1e.png
>>739210325if you're gonna kill yourself don't do it till the full release of Deltarune imagine how the lulz and kino threads you're gonna miss out on
>>739210373Jerry you dickhead
>>739210325Stay determined brother.
>>739194371>utfinal year of high school, didn't play it until many years later>ch1neet arc while in between jobs, watched a friend play it over discord>ch2working a shitty dead end fast food job, actually played it myself for the first time>3&4somehow working at the fast food place again after quitting in '22, position and hours were better despite the pay still being shit>ch5hopefully i'll have another job by then but shit's dire up here
>>739200516I feel we might be required to go back to former dark world locations in a future chapter. Among many things, it would be an excuse to have the snowgrave Cyber City song in the official soundtrack, the same way Flashback (Excerpt) got there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puY3n6rFaM
>>739210824I could see that happening in the final Chapter 7 dungeon as Hometown becomes a Dark World.
I wonder if it possible for things to go bad enough to the point of destroying the sunk cost I have in this game
>>739211147If Suselle happens and the Weird Route is unsatisfying, I could see that happening for me.
>>739211108Gameplay-wise that would be very awkward given how far away everything is besides Castle Town and Card Kingdom.I envision something more like Susie and Kris running across town reopening those fountains in search of something, or Asgore or Carol retracing their steps, or the Knight just fucking with them. Second Santuary itself could be foreshadowing that.
>>739211147oh trust me it can easily get ruinedToby has no real incentive to even finish Deltarune now. He could easily make chapter 5 feel shit for the wait and have 6/7 be completely unsatisfactory.Reminder that Toby hates people who 100% his games
>>739211197>If Suselle happens I have bad news for you.>and the Weird Route is unsatisfyingWhat do you seek there?But that "AND" gate there means it could salvage the game for you, so there might be hope (for you)
>>739194371Nothing has changed since I've played ch1, nothing noteworthy happened. I'm in the exact same situation I was 7 years ago. I feel like I've been cursed to remain in limbo until Deltarune is finished
>>739211260Toby can easily just make it abstract as all of this will probably going to happen during the Roaring.
what the hell happened after chapter 2 that made everything take so long again
>>739211337>What do you seek there?I can tell you what I don't seek, which is to be completely blueballed with my game soft locked and unable to advance in a premature ending, like some people theorized. I don't expect a good/happy ending out of the weird route, and I'm not looking for one, of the game lets me fuck up the story completely for everyone involved, I'll be very happy. As for Suselle, yes, I do think it's going to happen, but like I said, if the Weird Route is good, then I will still like the game.
If there was going to be a mishmash Dark World the most sensible way to do it would be making a dungeon out of areas connected by the fast travel doors
>>739211694content bloat for ch3 that caused development for 4 and 5 to stall out something like 1/3 of the chapter ended up getting cut and toby had to make a lot of compromises on other things just so development didn't take another 2-3 years
>>739211707I don't understand what the difference is if the game ends in a soft lock in the weird route. The lack of an ending becomes the ending. If you're waiting for the game to say "the end" before you let yourself start feeling a certain way about the story, you're doing it wrong.
>>739211694Chapter 3 was in devhell for a long time.
>>739211694the "official" reasonings are that the engine was shit so they switched to a new one, toby didn't have a concrete team, gimmicks in 3 that needed to be heavily ironed out, and toby waiting for gamemaker update
>>739211872It would feel unsatisfying to me, I want to go all the way, stopping at Chapter 5 is not good enough.
>>739184636nah man we have not reached peak brainrot yet. we still have some more WAIT in us before shit really becomes unsalvageable
>>739211707Weird Route ending at chapter 5 would sure be jarring as fuck, specially considering the changes aren't supposed to be as big as 2 if we go by the sweepstakes page. (and 2 itself isn't a full alternate chapter either).But I guess he ommited 6 and 7 from that page because it would be too much of a spoiler. OR, our choices really don't matter and those are exactly the same, which is also a massive blueball.
>>739211956"All the way" ends in chapter 5. The idea that every route needs to be perfectly symmetrical and pass through all the same story events and pieces of "content" is arbitrary.
>>739212204Look, you might not have an issue with it, but I do, I want Chapter 6 and 7 to have a Weird Route counterpart. If you don't, and you're happy with that, that's fine, but I would not be happy with that. This is just a matter of preferences and ours clearly do not align.
>>739211147For me it's any ending where Toby spites the fans and says you're a bad person for playing Deltarune (no matter the route) or he ruins something from Undertale.
>Genocide ends in Hotland>"you can't play the game on this file anymore, but please look forward to the rest of it in four years" *laughs*You guys understand this is really fucking stupid and lame, right?
>>739211147Toby would basically need to deliberately fuck this game up in order for me to not like it.
>>739204284the tl;dr is the story will end in an unsatisfying way because "you have no choices", or rather "you always had a choice, just turn the game off"
>>739212325I don't want the game to feel obligated to go through the same events if the direction of the route doesn't provide a good reason for it.
>>739211694For some god forsaken reason Toby decided that one-off gimmicks and minigames are this very very important part of his vision for Deltarune, then proceeded to create an entire different game for the majority of chapter 3 and surprise, his playtesters thought the pacing was awful and he kept iterating and rearranging parts of the chapter various times until he finally arrived at the half baked mess we got.And he almost made chapter 4 into a non-linear maze and almost added a bullshit puzzle in Noelle's house until he finally had the bright idea that maybe the story was more important and good enough to carry those sections instead of trying to reinvent the wheel every time.Also, he and his team are bad programmers and had to ask the Game Maker devs to introduce a whole new feature to split each chapter into a different game executable, ensuring performance isn't ass and introducing a ton of inconsistencies between each chapter. Said engine update took a half a year longer to be ready than Toby had anticipated by the way.And all this on top of how he already had fucked up the development of the previous chapters.
>>739212513Great, so like I said, different preferences, glad we settled that.
>>739212347>genocide ends before asgore and doesn't have a true pacifist segment equivalent at allIf it's "stupid and lame" for a route to not be a rote repeat of the other route's events with different outcomes to each then sign me up for infinite "stupid and lame" writing. Patternfagging is a lesser man's philosophy.
>>739212337>any ending where Toby spites the fans Debatable.>and says you're a bad person for playing Deltarune (no matter the route) Pretty much guaranteed by this point.>or he ruins something from Undertale.Already kind of happened through the Ol' Jitterbug unless you happened to be a truck freak who analysed every bit from the alarm clock dialogue.
>>739212550how bad at programming do you have to be to make a game that looks like deltarune run poorly lmao
>>739212726toby's the one who asked temmie to make her work look shittier so it's more consistent with hishe's a music guy first and foremost, not a game dev
>Mikefag seething about Chapter 3>"Toby hates you for playing his game"Gee folks, even I get tired of reruns!
I want canon to Dess to be someone who could ruin me.
>>739212768At this point I genuinely expect Toby to look at whatever piece of code the programmers have made, and him telling them to make it shittier and worse for no other reason other than to keep it in line with his style.
>>739212726The 1+2 Demo has duplicated assets for everything in the game.
>>739212681Toby isn't going to say you're a bad person for playing Deltarune.Toby didn't think you were a bad person for playing genocide either.
>>739212880Are you a human male who's 5'2" or less?
>>739212681The Ol Jitterbug wasn't that, Toriel forgetting about the ending of Chapter 2 during all of 4 is worse but nobody talks about it
>>739212906You're joking but I recall he recruited his early team from UT modders and fangame developers because they happened to understand his spaghetti code.
so what is the twisted sword even gonna do? how does Malius even know how to make it and what's needed to make it?
>>739212997Oh I remember you from the other thread, I pointed that out and you answered this.Again, I think this is more of a sign of sloppy bad writing (unless it gets addressed later) than overtly ruining Toriel.I'd say both her and Sans were already more annoying in DR than their UT versions, the jitterbugging just made it more extreme.
>>739213031>what does it dofuckhueg damage, at full health it also does a beam attack on swing>how does malius know how to make itmuch like how ralsei 'just knows' about the prophecy, malius 'just knows' how to craft things
>>739212726Toby wasn't made to make a game longer than Undertale.
>>739213119every day the "splitting the game into chapters is a bad idea" take becomes more and more true...
>>739213096Yes, it being bad writing makes it worse for me, Toriel and Sans being different to me is fine, it's an AU/prequel. Even if Sans Deltarune is Sans Undertale that just means he grows into a good character.
>>739212880Kris...
>>739207932Sure, but this is Toby, the man who embeds a message in the Xbox One release congratulating anyone who manages to hack the console.
>>739213031>What will it doTrance Kris into actually obeying us for once.
>>739213096>>739213185>this is more of a sign of sloppy bad writingToriel was actively hiding what happened from Kris and Susie, she doesn't want them to worry about it.She goes about business like normal in the morning because she still doesn't want them to worry about it. Later she gets distracted by Sans, one thing leads to another and she gets totally shitfaced. This is not "bad writing," this is a character flaw.
>>739213638It's Trance and a diagonal arrow down, not up. Plus, the Twisted Sword apparently has the same titan/titan spawn murder effect as the Black Shard.
>>739213791To me it seemed like Sans is fucking with the prophecy and by extension whatever Kris is doing.
>>739194371>UTStart of the final year of Uni (turned out to be penultimate because I ended up getting academic leave, so it was 6 years instead of 5).I just lost my first love among some other things and been coping by playing MGSV all day (which I used to be a huge fan of at the time) and, well, UT. Things seem the bleakest they've ever been so the ending of UT made me emotional like a bitch.>Chapter 1Finished my first job (an 8-month project) and been in-between jobs and doing small things for about half a year. I would get my second and first actual bigger remote job just a month after DR releases.In the meantime though, things have been a bit quiet but also very chill. The chillest I've been in many years if not ever.>Chapter 2First year of my third job and my first actual big serious (tm) job at a start-up company (which I still work at). Extremely stressed and overworked working 2.5 remote jobs. Health declined noticeably due to the post-Covid lifestyle. The year where the most stressful period of my life would start.>Chapter 3+4A tail end of my extremely stressful era which would end very soon. I have since gotten my second big love and a first true relationship that's been going over 3 years a this point. Also finally moved out with a roommate and been at it for over 1.5 years at that point. A lot changed, finally a lot of personal growth and progress. Got big plans and planning to finally move in with my GF by the end of the year. The most satisfying period of my life in like 10 years.>Chapter 5 (soon)My gf would leave me a bit after Ch 3+4 without even saying much. All my hopes and dreams pretty much dashed. I am still heartbroken. I got promoted but that also isolated me at my job so now I pretty much work alone and my job frens are in a similar boat, we are all disconnected. All roommates left, I now live alone in an empty apartment. Most of my friends moving away. Things look the bleakest.I am now 33 and ready to end my life soon.
>>739213894Trance is considered a Debuff in the code, and the Sword is in a placeholder state. Thorn Ring's Trance effect doesn't have an up arrow, and is instead rendered as a Ring.
>>739213791I would like to at least get to hear Toriel's thoughts in optional dialogue where she is worried, otherwise that's just speculation. This could've happened but as we see in the game it's like she just forgot it.
>>739212880nice pic for ants
>>739214087>I just lost my first love among some other things and been coping by playing MGSV all day (which I used to be a huge fan of at the time) and, well, UT. Things seem the bleakest they've ever been so the ending of UT made me emotional like a bitch.Did you relate to Asriel? Also don't kill yourself, dude. Things will end up better. You can always bounce back, it's never hopeless. Stay determined.
>>739214278>Did you relate to Asriel?Now that you mention it, yes, I even remember the exact moment I thought about that as I played.
>>739213638>Trance Kris into actually obeying us for once.>Sword lowers trancekris is going to stab us with that sword
>>739209960i don't believe you jerry
>>739214096I still think it makes more sense for the Twisted Sword to be a subversion of the weird route somehow, since it involves stopping before you go too far.
>>739214528Trance down gives Kris more autonomy
>>739214362Trance is a debuff, which is why it defaults to down, since it doesn't have a unique icon like the Ring does.>>739214528It's the way we change Chapter 3. Kris can't use the True Knife if we control him.
>>739213903I still think Paper Trail called it and Sans is getting close to Toriel as a way to investigate what's going on at the Shelter.Imagine in Chapter 5 you catch him snooping around or coming out of Toriel's room, but he turns it around on you by revealing he found Undyne's police cap in the house last night.>>739214164Toriel hiding what happened isn't speculation, that's exactly what she does in Chapter 2. After she finds the tires slashed, she comes up with Susie staying over on the spot to make sure she stays safe inside without alarming her.It would have been nice to see Toriel following up on what happened to Undyne in some way, going to the station or hearing that she went missing when everyone's talking after the Church service, but it's not some glaring plot hole that this didn't happen.Toriel expresses concern that Kris isn't acting like their normal self in Chapter 1, and someone could easily think Toby "forgot" about this plot point if they didn't happen to talk to the receptionist at the Hospital in Chapter 4 (without Berdly getting hurt) and see the single offhand comment that Toriel came by worried about Kris at some point off-screen. This is just Toby's style of writing.
I have Toby Fox fatigue. Give us a fucking release date instead of working on fucking Gameoverse for some reason
>>739215025It was just a special thanks because they want him to associate with their dogshit show so bad
What was her major malfunction?
>>739214528"Aborted Weird Route" is a memeWe're going to get another ThornRing in Chapter 5, that's going to be how and when you're "supposed to" get it.
>>739215093imagine the hatefucking
>>739215078Speaking of Toby shows.The Homestuck animated series is pretty much dead at this point, right?
>>739215317I sure fucking hope so
>>739215093everything. everything is her problem
>>739212448>ACTUALLY, you’re the REAL sicko for even engaging with this piece of art in the first place, consumer!The fandom fallout would be cataclysmic. No one alive finds that kind of finale novel anymore.
Post Noelle making THAT face. You know the one.
>>739215935
for me its whumps cowcember...
>>739215935gotchu fampai
>>739216319is there a collection of all of theme somewhere or nah
i wouldnt be surprised if the twisted sword was meant to be some kind of "sequence break" item where we send the black crystals back to a pre-ch3 state to change the plot>get the twisted sword before ch3 starts>equip it to kris in the chapter that really delves into his lack of agency by giving it back>anti-darkness on the sword lets him actually beat the knight for real, disrupting the entire plot from that point>actually explains why theres a listing for SWORD route with the mantle game
>>739216490>TwistedSword is the key to beat the game
I'm ready for Jax dies
>>739216580cmon bruh
>>739216490it's technically possible to get the thorn ring on the normal route if you exploit a glitch that toby has deliberately left in the game
>>739216236>>739216357MORE
>>739216580I mean it's pretty obvious that that was going to happen since like, Episode 3 or 4. Post a better spoiler next time.
>>739216664you can already get the thorn ring on a regular run without glitches
Kris and Noelle seem like they'd have a bunch of kids but end up only having two. meanwhile despite displaying no interest in have children Dess ends up having 9 kids with Asriel
>>739216885but not on the normal route with all recruits
the old queen design is crazy hotI had never seen it until now
>>739217252yeah i like her current design but i won't pretend she wouldn't be more popular with her beta design
>>739217437her beta design is dogshit, do you guys know anything about good character design?
>>739217252i wonder what evil beta queen would've been likei really do wonder why toby rejects actually evil villains, closest he got was king and after ch1 he's morphed into another joke character who isn't actually all that bad
choose your fighter>Medusa>Xenomorph>H*waiian P*nch guy
>>739174630Okay, this is funny. Here's your (you)
>>739217475we're deltarune fans what do you think
>>739217475that's not even real anon the little scribbles are all that exist
>>739217736Well that explains it!It seriously baffles me how untalented the OCmancy of the UTDR fandom is.
>>739215093Too horny not enough pp inside>>739216580Everyone is already dead
Fact: if the knight's identity is meant to be a mystery, it's Rudy. If it's just flavor/whatever, then it's Dess.
>>739218021Rudy's facial hair genuinely makes him so cool looking to me and I don't get why
>>739218021sorry, i meant to say noelle
>>739218021I said it before but, 2 knightsKris is still the knight
>>739217603>i really do wonder why toby rejects actually evil villainsOnly a psychologist would really know, but in the period between the halloween hack and undertale he got really self conscious/guilty about being an edgelord and has overcompensated into being really sappy and corny ever since.Same thing happened to spamton, and I'm holding my breath for how he will develop Carol in particular.
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>>739216490I think your idea is absolute Ludo but you're also sounding like the fags who thought chapter 1 was going to get it's own retcon weird route where you leave the others alone in that one puzzle room and backtrack to castle town alone. Do not raise expectations for that on the game that couldn't bother giving Kris's new sliding sprite into the older chapters.
>>739218278You can't be loved by everyone if you're an edgelordPeople with his views are attention starvedHe is just pretending
>>739218021Rudy Knight is so fucking boring
>>739216580I miss caine
>>739218441No it isn't. It's a genuinely clever and requires logical thinking to solve. Any other option requires magic bullshit to explain Undyne's kidnapping.
>>739218278the fact that he still seems to be doing it in the beta phase before scrapping it makes me think it's less shame and more dissatisfaction with ithe tries to write an evil antagonist, isn't happy with the result, and rewrites them to something he does know how to do, which is the goofy antagonist it could also be that he's saving the actual evil antagonist for the 'real' villain of deltarune, and his prior attempt with queen was too similar and would've drawn comparisons he didn't wanthe also still seems to view halloween hack with some fondness, given that he's referenced it as recently as ch3 with the toxicaxe, with the most famous line from it at that
>>739218402I think he tries really hard to repress that side in order to keep a good public persona. The Wilting Rose was a moment he slipped out and got terrified, assuming there wasn't something sneakier going on.
>>739218498"Referenced" by using an extremely quaint variant of it. It's like comparing bart simpson and cartman.
>>739218528i still strongly believe he changed it because it would spoil something for later if he kept it in, the reaction was only volatile here and only the more illiterate retards don't understand wilting rose symbolism
Why does Toby always like the absolute worst ships imaginable that have 0 chemistry outside of him forcing it?
>>739218603it's still spiritually 'eat shit, faggots', and anyone who knows will get it
>>739218492It requiring logic does not make it even remotely fucking interesting, what are you smoking? Crack? Cocaine? Poop? That's like saying "Oh, LOGICALLY, Amleth should just USE all the knowledge given by the Oracle to avenge his father" Ok? How does that make the story even remotely interesting? How does that even relate to the character? Something making sense does not mean it is true.
>>739217603I'll forever be split on Queen.From one side, I love the shitposter Queen we got and enjoy the comedy around her. From another side, I'm still pissed off about how chapter 2 as a whole abandoned the cozy atmosphere from chapter 1 by cranking up the wackiness to an extreme not even UT reaches, and that was for nearly the entire chapter without breaks.Creepy Queen and some other weirder early chapter 2 concepts would've satisfied my survey program expectations much better than what we got.
>>739218663You gotta wonder where else in the game is missing a red flower...
>>739218804The more light-hearted tone of Chapter 2 was definitely deliberate to contrast with Chapter's 2 Weird Route.
>>739218278>in the period between the halloween hack and undertale he got really self conscious/guilty about being an edgelord and has overcompensated into being really sappy and corny ever since.Dr. Andonuts is an actually evil crazy and funny villain who has a tragic backstory that made him the way he isSpamton G. Spamton is an actually evil crazy and funny villain who has a tragic backstory that made him the way he is
>>739218676My guess is that he really enjoys watching his characters gushing and being awkward and decided to dedicate a huge portion of his games to that. It's plain bad taste.
Wish more drawfags drew Noelle like butterchalk, they always get caught up in making goonbait shit with hyper tits, hyper ass, etc and forget that Noelle is the sexiest with a body that reflects her personality. Frail, innocent, shy, curious.
>>739218967>YOU SEE THIS [flammin' hot], [catsup] UNIVERSE?>YOU SEE THIS ULTIMATE, UNLIMITED [Freedom]?>Kris.>I HAVE [$#$%]ING HAD IT WITH YOUR [doe ship]>YOU LITTLE [Nippers] ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR BODIES [Discounted By 50%!]>I'LL SHOVE YOUR [Assets] SO FAR [und3r] YOUR [t4ils] THAT WHEN YOU [ R4P] YOU'LL SING [$#$#]ING [The National Spamton].>TL;DR:>EAT [SPAM], [M]aggots
>>739218905>visit Asgore's room in early chapter 5>there's a small red rose in a corner of the room
>>739218453He’s ok
>>739219063but i don't want a frail twig i want a freakishly voluptuous teen designed to house half a dozen fucked up hybrid kids
>>739216580What, how?
>>739219063Anon that's an issue with drawn porn in general. Either characters get bimbofied or it's straight up a potato shaped loli most of the time.It's hard to find hebe/ephebo content because artists don't identify as such and neither do booru tags.
>>739219191Brazilians. For what it’s worth, the ending looks pretty decent and I don’t even like TADC all that much
>>739219135alright, now I know your leak is fake
>>739218498Toby writes all of his important characters as characters, who have things like "motives" and "history" and "relationships with other people"An "actually evil" villain is "guy who is evil and does evil things because... he's evil," which is not a character.
>>739219202based and same
>>739219063an accurate noelle would have decent booba, but i agree that noelle art is best when it's tasteful like butterchalk's
>>739219148She's not frail, she could take a beating
>>739219256No, isreal
>>739219384why raggy titan?
>>739187064there could also be multiple dark worlds in different locations in chapter 5. possibly ending the chapter in the flower shop dark world when it's time for shit to hit the fan, since asgore is the part of the prophecy and all. don't know how feasible this is, but i dont think it's off the table since chapter 4 technically had 3 fountains
>>739219275I make do by using flat_chest or using negative tags like -wide_hips and such, but it's hard because of cunts who don't bother doing the bare minimum tagging, and teens can in fact be curvy sometimes. Searching for small butts or short height that isn't crotch tall is even harder because there are no tags for those.
>>739173797I could see the schizo boss being flowey adjacent
>>739219406Toby fox is a sell out
>>739219502I'm seriously doubting chapter 5 will get too crazy on that regard considering Toby said it is supposed to be more traditional like how chapter 4 was.Plus, multiple dark worlds in a single chapter only means a lot of half baked settings.
>>739219525I usually go -large_breasts and -huge_breasts with moderate success. wide_hips isn't very commonly used, as opposed to those other two.It's a real shame, I'm a drawfag myself but I haven't gotten around to drawing Noelle, I suppose it's time for me to be change I'd like to see...
>>739219532The schizo boss is clearly going to be Asgore.
>>739218394i think the difference between that and my idea is that theres a lot of evidence for mine being intentional>MANTLE game says that noelle and "you" were used up at the end>flags for the SWORD route during that segment of chapter 3>the earliest possible time to get the twisted sword would be post chapter 2>after you intentionally aborted a snowgrave run by using noelle to progress until the ring>jackenstein pattern with the chapter icons has you go to chapter 5's flower to get the key (shadow crystals) and then diverge from the path at the sword icon>the page during the spamton sweepstakes that had all the chapter numbers with different sizes to show their importance, presumably for the weird route, but 3 is fucking massive and invisible>functionally, chapter 3 is the route "lock" point of the game since you can still fuck up weird route in ch4toby has a history of doing shit like this, the only question is when would this hypothetically be added to the game? unless chapter 5 reveals who the knight is or what happened to dess or whats in the bunker, sequence breaking the game at ch3 would spoil a ton of shit for later potentially
>>739218528he is very afraid of criticism in any kind, when he learns to accept it or ignore it, the content he makes will improve beyond what we're seeing
>>739219202without trips, realpretty based, taste is hard to find
>>739219840>another damn returning UT characterI'll be fucking furious (crying) if Jevil and the Mikes are the only fully original schizo bosses. Every single of the others took something from UT:>Mettaton NEO>Undertale Soundtest>The sister's echo flower dialogue/Sans talking about deer girls in the console version/Asgore mentioning Rudy and his family in the alarm clock>Gerson and Undyne
>>73922009399% of this fandom is retarded, I hang out here cause at least there's like 4 or 5 regulars who are actually intelligent
>>739216490would Kris *want* to kill the Knight in Ch3? I'm not convinced
>>739187064>it might be all inside that closetIt's very hard to judge this in Chapter 1 because lol perspective but the second floor of the Flower Shop is actually the basement and the double doors are leading outsideYou look in from the side in Chapter 4 and see Asgore's corkboards and old case files, which are presumably meant to be on the opposite wall>>739219502Anything is possible but I don't see why there would be multiple Dark Worlds. We know that the Festival will happen, so there must be a significant Light World segment like in Chapter 4, which cuts down on time. Something dramatic happening with anyone else like Noelle making a fountain feels like it would deserve proper attention.Despite the popular opinion I also heavily doubt the idea that Carol or The Knight are in any rush to get The Roaring started or blow their cover by opening up Fountains all over town. They've been very secretive so far, we know that there are plans for things to happen "next week," and we know The Roaring itself is not the ultimate goal here.I think everything that we've seen so far has been positioning this as one more "traditional" Dark World in the make of 2 and 3 (see The Prophecy framing Asgore as a figure like Queen and Tenna). It will probably serve to re-introduce Noelle to the main plot and close out "Act 2" of the story by telling us what happened with Kris and Dess, revealing The Knight's identity, and maybe getting the Shelter Codes to set up the endgame in Chapter 6 and 7.
>>739220165(You) want to kill it and the bastard can't freak out against (You)r will too much in the dark world.
>>739220153you can actually discuss shit here as well, unlike r*ddit or xitter where you'll get shit on for not agreeing with the fandom approved takes
>>739220312What can I say? Not having anonymity is pure niggerlicious
>>739219148That's hot she should have a bigger belly than even that maybe
>>739219840>The schizo boss is clearly going to be Asgore.No>>739220145If the Ch5 schizo boss is another not-Undertale character I can't imagine it being anyone but not-Flowey. And even then I would imagine it's something like not-Flowey possessed by FRIEND or FRIEND just pretending to be Flowey to fuck with you.We're past the time for any more Undertale fanservice for its own sake.
>>739220468FRIEND masquerading as a Flowey-esque character would be a pretty cool introduction to their actual character (assuming they have a proper character)
Asgore will not be a boss. If a character got focus in Undertale they will not get any in Deltarune. It's why Toriel did nothing and Undyne insta-jobbed.
>>739220545this is the next supposedly established rule to be broken in a new chapter release
Is it possible that friend isn't a specific guy but just like a type of guyThere were more than one in the video game fight and I know that doesn't technically mean anything but I'm not sure why we ascribe some personhood to it
>>739220632It's because theorists are deranged and want Friend to be the new Gaster.
>>739220632I'd still have zero conviction about who or what friend is if not for their chapter 3 cutscene appearance
>>739220632If it's going to be important at all and not just some weird creepy easter egg thing like Everyman I think it makes more sense to think of it as an actual person/character/entity and assume all of its appearances are meaningfully connectedGetting shown off front-and-center cosplaying Endogeny at the start of Chapter 3 is a pretty strong signal that it is Something, I think. Toby has thrown out cryptic bullshit before (Everyman) but showing up three chapters in a row, weird filename bullshit, Newsletter bullshit, and the pink-and-yellow bullshit only getting more prominent to the point that it's one of our two major pieces of information about Chapter 5 all points to Something.
can you fucking imagine if we finally see what Dess looks like and she has pink and yellow eyes
>>739221037i've never considered heterochromatic dessalthough i don't know how it would be consistently portrayed due to only darkners having coloured portraits
can you fucking imagine if we finally see what Dess looks like and she has a nice perky pair of tits
>>739176730Timeloop, Susie's I don't want the story to end thing needs to be beaten out of her at some point
Are you eggcited for Asriel's debut in the Festival?
>>739221479>deltarune chapter 7 ends like an endless eight episode
>>739220468>car>tv>asgorewhat.
>>739212448>"you always had a choice, just turn the game off"A Spec Ops: The Line copout would be one of the only ways I could see this game getting truly bungled
>>739221875
>>739212880Are there any Dess fan designs that give her black fur? They exist IRL but they're very rare
>>739221875>the extra tuft of fur around the chest and crotchHow can human women even compete?
TrannytaleDeltatroon
ChadtaleDeltachad
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What gets me about fanon Dess designs is that they all give her sharps antlers, but her canon flashback silhouette clearly has soft Noelle-style antlers. It's clearly wrong.
>>739222920dess as most people depict her is entirely a fandom creation how many dess' have you seen portray her with an interest in milsurp and survivalist gear? probably not many because it clashes against the hot tomboy older sister neighbour archetype she's been pigeonholed into
speaking of underrepresented character designlook at him
>>739223065the gangster designs were so fucking good, it sucks they're only used in like one act
>>739222905Delta Rune != DELTARUNE
Chapter 1 Ralsei has been killed/hidden away and the Chapter 2 imposter has been planted in his stead.
>>739223396the deltarot has hit critical levels
>>739222920It's because the Knight has sharp antlers. 99% of Dess designs are drawn with the assumption that she's the Knight and many of them incorporate design aspects of the Knight (whether that be body shape or more subtle things like tattoos of the Knight's bullet patterns)
please apply Occam's Razor to whatever thought you have next, thank you.
>>739223545uhhkris fits so many of second hero's requirements because she is it instead of the first
>>739223592ok you applied the retard's razor try again
>>739223698hmmnoelle has a lot of parallels to the knighti guess that means noelle is the knight
I am becoming more and more afraid of a Chapter 5 OST leak, CH 3+4 was bad enough. If it happens I'm disconnecting from the internet instantly to avoid some shit like >6. Howdy! >19. Best Friends>23. Amphitheater>29. Because The "R" is Silent>37. ROOTS>45. Hall of the Flower King>66. HIM>72. Susie Fucking Dies For Real and Doesn't Come Back>85. The Penumbra Bigshot Revolving
>>739216580saw the leak, I'm kinda afraid of toby doing an ending on that tier with deltarune, I will be very disappointed
>>739223885>ending is exactly what fans theorized it would beHow exactly would that be disappointing?
>>739223920something something predictableI want it to get FUCKED up by the end
>>739223857>41. Small Shock>42. Song That Might Play When You Fight Susie
>>739223857>72. Susie Fucking Dies For Real and Doesn't Come BackToby would name a track that as a joke in a chapter where nothing of the sort happensAnd then, because he already did that with Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans, he'll make sure Susie dies in the next chapter after players had their guard down from the song
>>739224000>16. ICE SHOCK>23. HOLY, HOLY>33. Flower King>38. Determination
>digital circus/glitch productions fears what happened to toby and caters to LATAM>brazilians leak your shit two weeks early>even got into a lawsuit with korea JUST so it wont leakHAHAHAHAHAHAFUCKINGVINDICATED
>>739224116it was obvious to everyone that the only reason why latinx wanted a translation was so they could freely pirate the game without having to install a translation patchit's good that toby told them to fuck off
>>739224116i fuarking kneel
>>739224116That's why tobias remains locked away in his japanese mansion only with a group of close hand picked friends, so he won't have to worry about leaks
>>739223857>67. Can You Really Call This A Shelter, I Didn't Receive A Mint On My Pillow Or Anything
>>739223857>86. ROUXLBREAKER
>>739223857I'm waiting for>33. COURAGE
>>739224116Is anyone really surprised that this happened?
>>739216580If this is true then wow, did not expect to get spoiled on a deltarune thread about an internet animated webseries.
>>739223857>83. Freedom.>84. SEAMRIPPER
>>739224376>66. ASTER>69. FINGERS IN ...
>>739223857>666 YOU KNOW WHO I AM SO LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH
>>73922385766. Wing Ding Gaster Shows Up And He's Mysterman
>>739223857>Blacker Knife>bonetrousle motif is present throughout
>>739216580kek basedbodied these freaks
I just hope Ralsei suffers more. I'm starting to like him
>>739225667He's so pretty like this
we need news right fucking now
Sex with my abusive husband Flowey on page 10!!!
>>739226339i cant take it anymore
>>739226708it's been so bad a lot of this thread was just talking about the tadc leak
