They win against a greedy publisher and get their game back. Now suddenly there is an entire hate cult against the game, just making up lies, nitpicking or complaining about things that carried over from the 1st game.I can't be the only one noticing this sudden inorganic vibe shift, right?
>>739173825I thought this game came out 5 years ago
>>739173825they decided it would be a good idea to be anti killing not giving the player the means to defend themselves against a world which creatures actrively hunt and try to kill youthe irony is lost on the developers but not on any american that values his 2nd amendm
>could have just said that they don’t want you to have access to weapons and killing because they want the threats to feel like part of an ecosystem that you have to manage rather than just enemies to shoot/stab>decide to take moral high ground about not letting you kill things in a video game and come off as obnoxious libtards insteadWoah so manufactured
>>739173928>but not on any american that values his 2nd amendmIt's a fucking videogame, dumb nigger.
The fish not reacting when you bonk em with your gay axe thing is pretty lame. It doesn't have to kill em just make em swim away a bit or somehting
i want to kill the fauna
>>739173825I literally don't caregame looks gaylike faggy gay
>cant kill fish but can "print" and "reprint" entire humans ya no we are not doing that
>>739173825they took 10 years to make sn2 and it's literally sn1 with new modelsto top it off they released an unfinished game lmao
>>739174038then why do you care about criticism? it's just a dumb video game, people's opinion of it should matter as little as it right? just go play it right now and stop defending woke garbage on the internet, it's just a video game, who cares what happens to it right? no?
>>739173825The "greedy publisher" just wanted to be able to fight back against the deadly fish
>>739174047They don’t react if you hit them with the vehicle either.
>>739174047>>739174587We need traps and more ways of doing non lethal dispersion>>739174698Already happening >>739174870Definitely needs to be fixed
>>739173825>nitpicking or complaining about things that carried over from the 1st game.Such as? It's bad because of all the shit they changed from the first one. Such as non stop yapping, terrible art direction, terrible fish AI that just make them annoying as fuck, terrible movement speed because the map is stupid small, the focus on the story and ayylmao make it more of a walking simulator than a spooky survival game and they removed 99% of the survival elements even though the first game barely had any.
>>739174948and im not fucking playing it
>>739174979>Such as non stop yapping, terrible art direction, terrible fish AI that just make them annoying as fuck, terrible movement speed because the map is stupid small, the focus on the story and ayylmao make it more of a walking simulator than a spooky survival game and they removed 99% of the survival elements even though the first game barely had any.Bro’s just yapping about something that doesn’t exist
>>739175000No needs to announce when you’re leaving
>>739175064im not fucking leaving either this game is big shit tyou should be able to kill the fish
>>739173825the game just isn't scary, the fired the guy behind the atmosphere and one of the best OSTs ever for liking trump or some shit. all the new creatures are just earth fish slightly changed. compare the reaper to the squid thing you'll see how shit the new stuff is
>>739173825>Check teh steam charts>9th most popular game on the entirety of steamA BLOO BLOO BLOO MUH HATE CULT. PEOPLE HATE THIS GAME SO MUCH
>>739175207Your hate campaign failed.
>>739175087No, I don't think you should. I think the devs needs more ways to allow the player to play smarter, that’s all. They have something here, they just need to flesh it out.
>>739173825Imagine how cool it would be if the collector leviathan was actually that big
>>739173825I can't kill the fishes op.Game won't let me
>>739175276video games are for killing things in a virtual environment
I don't play early access but from these replies I am assuming the knife isn't backLame, having to man the fuck up with a tiny knife to get rid of the underwater horrors was one of the best things in the first game
>>739175319That’s a very narrow minded way at looking at video games>>739175305You can technically kill them by cooking them. They just became grabbables (the ones you can eat).
>>739175472what else are video games for besides to simulate killing?
>>739175527Simulating literally anything else. Stop being unimaginative.
>>739173825>suddenlybelow zero exists, and the devs do this to themselves with their responses shitting on players
>>739173928You should not be able to defend yourself against a 2500 ton 250ft leviathan, that's retarded, at the very least not in the early game. Have some torpedoes which can make the temporarily retreat in the late game? sure, just make them limited enough that you shit your pants when you miss. Being able to kill small and medium nuisance enemies in the mid to late game? all for it. What the game needs is good AI and enemy placements, and areas which facilitate scares and stress. Have leviathans attack you from below as you traverse a bottomless abyss, have medium sized swimming rows of teeth blindside you in low visibility areas. Subnautica has always suffered from being to afraid to provide proper scares, they managed to get rid of the fov issue that made enemies look a quarter of their real size, now they need to address the lighting and visibility issue, you can see for miles in the supposed heavy metal suffused waters. Low visibility is fine, you can always give players access to some limited sonar options in the mid to late game like in the first game.But if you want to be able to kill everything, then you're a massive fag who should be playing doom, nothing fun about that. Just console them dead while making pew pew sounds at that point. This game is going to end up chickening out on the real thalassophobia/megalophobia experience in the end. The first game only had ghost leviathans in the void, reapers don't even qualify, dopey looking fuckers.
>>739175434They saw what people were doing to the reapers.
One of the problems is that the wildlife in 2 seem more aggressive than the wildlife in 1 so not being able to drive them off to harvest in peace is more of a pace breaker. The other problem is a sound one, in 1 there was no "You have been detected" track, so you could go harvesting, aggro a shark, then it gets distracted by a piece of metal and you never noticed you were in danger. 2 has a combat track, one that plays all the time, so the player is always aware of all the threats around them, drawing attention to their lack of defensive options.
>>739175434Oh it's back, it just doesn't do anything, you can barely interact with anything in the first place.You can drive your sub up a fish ass and you'll just phase through it unless it decide to do an attack animation where it'll just slow you down a bit. Nothing is deadly, just very fucking annoying.
>>739175594you're a fucking faggot dude
>>739175834K dude.
>>739173825There is no hatred. There is only fair criticism of insane developers who are trying to push their ideology through games and, in doing so, are actively making them worse.In the first part, there was perfect balance: you had practically no weapons, BUT you still had the ability to defend yourself, and with enough skill and effort, you could defeat ANYONE.In the second game, they simply disabled this function. A knife strike no longer deals damage to enemies.This was done because the developer hates the very idea of forced self-defense and believes that violence is not the answer to violence.
>>739173825People have hated them ever since they fired their sound guy for retarded reasons and made below zero
Use the sonic gun to disorient aggressive fish, retards.The only common fish that this doesn't work on is the literal dickhead species that will telepathically seek out your tadpole no matter where it is and ram the shit out of it, which is incredibly fucking annoying and needs to be fixed ASAP.
>>739175803This, you get attacked everywhere you go, when I got to the bigger one I didn't even care because it was just more of the same. Also it glows in the dark to ensure you spot it and it's fucking gay.The reapers in 1 are terrifying because you don't see them, you hear them. In 2 everything is rainbow colored and/or glowing and look retarded.
>>739176031>reapers in 1 are terrifying because you don't see them, you hear themEven more terrifying is the fact that the game tells you that if you hear them they know where you are.
>>739176007Didn't work for me, they still kept coming back to take a bite. Might be a bug but I assumed it was just the devs being retarded again.Like the air bladder than send you 400m in the sky every fucking time you use it.
fuck leviathans. where are the sharks in this game like a proper Great White. Where is Australia in this game with Saltwater Crocidles for the reef starting area.
Better yet where are the Orca that look beautiful but ram the shit out of you and kill you just from their version of playing.
>>739175963>>>/pol/Jesus Christ fuck off and go back. Nobody gives a shit that you can’t fight a heckin sea monster with a knife.
>>739174948>Definitely needs to be fixedThey're not going to because it's not a bug, it's a feature. They don't want you killing things full stop because they don't want you to be "the conquering colonist". The wildlife will remain invincible.
>>739175963What a fucking retard, why do these libs always push their stupid ideologies through a video game. Just let people have fun, dont remove old mechanics just because you "feel" this way. You are forcing people to play jn a certain way cause of certain incident that happened 15 years ago.... and it shouldn't even be relevant, but these trannies thought they could piggyback on some shooting to virtue signal others while eating sushi.
>>739175675Unfortunately your genuine post is in a bait thread and will either go completely ignored or mocked by several bumbling retards who weren't going to play the game anyway
I am so happy they fleshed out cooking some more, especially being able to make nutrient blocks now. I need them to provide more options for synthetic and artificial varieties of food, especially if they’re going to lean into the no killing.And I also want more blueprints from the Cicada this time around. The Aurora disappointed me a bit.
>>739176418Because libs hate you and don't want you to play their gamesSo you should do exactly that and stop paying for their shit
>>739176397>it's a featureBroken immersion is not a feature. They need to find a way to retain that immersion.
>>739176635Immersion is not their goal. Ideology is. If immersion was the goal the game would just be like the first one.
>>739176176They have to be relatively close to you. I think they should increase the range of the sonic gun.
>>739173825Gta VI confirmed not letting you kill pedestrians type retard shit. Lmao
>>739176817>Immersion is not their goalCleary is. >Ideology isHave you actually played the game?>If immersion was the goal the game would just be like the first one.Are you just nostalgia baiting me now?
>>739173825Your game is full of niggers.
I really dont think this is gonna affect it that much desu
defending yourself against hostile fauna is racism actually. only the government should be allowed to use violence(this is what shitlibniggertards actually believe)
>>739176947Anon, you presently cannot kill anything, you can ram them full speed, you can hammer away at them for an hour and nothing happens. They are literally immune to damage by any means the player possesses. They have outright said "you are here to exist on this planet, not to dominate it".It's not bug, it's not a part of the game they haven't gotten around to yet, they don't care about immersion, this is a deliberate design decision that they are not going to change. But I understand that you are going to pretend not to understand things.
>all this drama over a paid betaA fool and his money...
>>739177137>But I understand that you are going to pretend not to understand things.I think you’re just projecting, and that you’re some kind of fucked up drama baiter who doesn’t even play video games or even bother to look up the wiki.
>>739175030>niggershill
>all criticism is gonna be deflected by "m-muh krafton"I fucking knew it was gonna happenIt's gonna be fun to see all the reactionary retards that bought this to "own the ebil chatgpt corpo" getting a reality check that the people in charge are massive retards
>>739177446Please whore, as if drama baiting isn’t a multi million dollar industry at this point.
>>739177309>no refutation
Given their opinions on self defense and guns, I wonder what their response was to Kyle Rittenhouse.
>>739177571Can’t read, can’t play. Typical.
>>739176002>>739175602The only posts itt that matter.
>>739177660No one needs a greedy bitch in their ear you know
>>739173825>>739174710>>739176992I mean, if you don't want it, I'll gladly accept and redeem your Steam code.
>>739175675>t. didn't actually play the game Had you any knowledge of how the game works, you'd know the only leviathan which can be actively stopped early game is the reaper, the weakest of all the leviathans, because it runs away if you damage it, so to put it in a simpler way, extremely high risk for a high reward.Also:>some torpedosThey exist in the first game and are the worst thing ever, and seeing how everything about this game is a downgrade from the first one, what makes you think they'll unfuck them?
>>739177867>everything about this game is a downgrade from the first oneThe base building options are an upgrade and that's pretty much it.
>>739177927Not to disrespect any base builders out there, but that has to be the least important system they needed to change.
>>739177660Lots of people of that political persuasion were baying for blood at worst, at best a life sentence. It's hilarious to this day that he was in clear self defence and harmed only people who genuinely had it coming.
>>739176139Yes the game tells you this but it quickly becomes apparent that it's not actually true.Doesn't make them much less scary though.
>>739178071Fuck you
>>739177927depends how you see it, yes there's a ton more options so you can make a wholesome chungus base but imo that goes against the survival horror concept it should be aiming for. Also cube bases are ugly as fuck.Though since everything so far as been designed around making it an adventure game instead of a survival game I guess it's better for that genre.
>>739178298>wholesome chungusUnironic or not, you belong on a cross
>>739173825They are woke. They deserve the hate.
>>739178273Your faggy insults won't magically make the second game better, you know?
>>739173973thiskotpostbestpost
>>739178529I want more furniture you fuckhead
>>739173825the first thing the devs would do if they got transported to subnautica world is make a harpoon who are we kidding
>>739174047I feel like they forgot how to code the fish from sub1 and they are just using the excuse of "no violence plz" as cope
>>739177927I don’t like the cubes. I want my circular rooms as well.
>>739178445Hate it all you want, the entire game was built from the ground up for that audience the instant they decided to make it a comfy coop game.It's just not a Subnautica game
>>739178625Just about everyone in the universe is an ipad baby
>>739174819>muuuh wokeeverytime
>>739178580You mean to tell me they haven't even moved all of the furniture from the first game over to this sequel?
>>739178654>Hate it all you wantGladly>the entire game was built from the ground up for that audience the instant they decided to make it a comfy coop gameThat’s what you’re upset about?
>>739173928fukken sniper got him
>>739178750Yep. No coffee maker, no vending machine, no med kit fabricator, no jukebox, etc. There’s still a bit to work with, but pretty much.
>>739178760Subnautica 1 can also be played in coop and it's a much better experience than anything 2 offer so yea that's what I'm upset about.
>>739179030Uh huh
>>739175675Totally agree you shouldn't be able to kill leviathans, I don't think they really thought about that when making the first game and it was more of an oversight, everything else I think should be fair game though. On top of the AI being kinda bad the collector lost a ton of the scare factor it could have had because it plays that loud ass song every time it's even nearby, it can be completely obscured and invisible off in the distance and the track still plays warning you that it's coming, ghost leviathans were terrifying because you'd have no idea they were sneaking up on you until they were attacking. There's a lot of really weird choices they made, as someone who played the leaked copy before buying the full thing they 100% nerfed the shit out of the collector AI too, it felt way more aggressive in the leaked build and I had way more close calls compared to now in the release it barely even notices you a lot of the time and is even less scary because of that as well.
>>739176502/v/ is flooded with newfags who think they have to be "ironic" to fit in, they think /dbs/ is the template for posting on 4channel and refuse to make genuine post. Shits part of a broader trend that started on shitter of all places>I'll craft a short, snappy and poignant reply to display my wits and humorWhen in reality they say nothing, they are making live laugh love tier shitposts that will fuel their fragile egos when the numbers go up. Goddamn goycattle.
>>739179030Nitrox is such a smooth and clean experience, you're right
>>739179357>they fly now
>>739179357Nitrox is still in early access so you can't say anything bad about :^)
>>739179318The are genuinely Reddit tourists who got banned there for being Trump fags there and then we're told to fuck off from actual right wing forums and decided to come here and never fucking leave.
>>739176292>Where is Australia in this gameHalfway across the universe, overran by spaceboat wogs.
>>739179865lmfao it's about as bad as su2 in my very humble opinion, still fun but jank and broken and unfinished
>can build a rocket that goes into space>can't build a rocket that goes into a leviathan's assMake it make sense.
>>739180207Alterra regulations
>>739175963>>739180398There's an incredible irony to these "people" making a game where the lore reason for guns being absent is a massacre that took place on some colony, and instead of Alterra addressing any mental health issues among its staff, it goes and bans anything more dangerous than a hot knife.
>>739180175What's funny is that Nitrox has a weird bug with storage that will randomly start duplicating resources and Subnautica 2 has the exact same bug.It's annoying because you need to keep building more storage though
>>739175819another instance of delusional developers not understanding why their first game was successful
>>739179318brevity is the soul of wit
>>739180424That's not ironic, that's not ironic at all, that is genuinely what they believe needs to be done. They don't believe in human agency, the weapon exists, therefore the weapon will somehow compel you to be a killer.
If you don't want to let people kill them, then give them ways of non-lethally repelling them semi-permanently from an area or something. Medium-sized creatures are not a genuine threat, they are simply annoying. Extending the "you shouldn't be able to kill leviathans" thing to every single hostile creature is utterly asinine and makes no sense whatsoever. Subnautica devs once again fail to understand why their first game was good.
>>739180207>can build a rocketYou can't. You're using tools that print objects using available materials from its own set of schematics. They had to transmit the rocket plans to you because they weren't in the PDA database. Same reason you can make torpedos, but no explosives despite access to sulfur, Alterra removed the schematics.
>>739180674I suppose the irony is more dramatic, them being so obviously wrong and all, but you're right. It's just hard to form a theory of mind for those who don't have much of one.
>>739180724>every single hostile creatureEvery single creature actually, you can't harm the most harmless of bottom feeders.
>>739175963sandy hook shooting ;mao
So is there a way to upgrade the little submarine at all? This thing feels slow as fuck. I'm assuming I can because there's hardpoints on it at least.
>>739181073You can deplete biodiversity in large areas of the game by catching them. They just don't want violence because it raises the rating and means they can't sell it to kids for their famed modern audience.
>>739181168>because it raises the ratingOh yeah that makes sense actually
>>739181153You can give it wings and it goes faster, beyond that, nah.
>>739181237>You can give it wings and it goes faster, beyond that, nahGaaaaayyyyy. I'm hoping we get more in future updates because the game talks about the thing like it's really modular and I can build different subs out of it.
>>739180642>catchphrasewhy would anyone care
>>739173825I thought this game is 'creatively bankrupt'.
>Anti gun leftist who fired an employee for being a right wing nazi releases one of the most successful games of the year>Conservative Trump supporting billionaire funded right wing video game mixtape gets attacked by every gamerWhat went wrong for the chuds?
>>739181376because you reply
>>739181168>scary monsters terrorizing you is okay>defending yourself against them isn'tThis is just zero-tolerance violence policies applied to vidya. I hate it!
>>739181457yeah redditors like you love the upvotes don't you
>>739181420>Fire right winger>Games released afterwards are shitThey claim to love nature but do not love the metastable equilibrium nature exists in at all times. They seek extremes and wonder why all the reactions are extreme. A study in not being an idealogue since the CEO tanked the second game by slopping out AI movies after losing confidence. The devs deserved Krafton but since their ideology relies on denying undeniable facts they're back here again, this time even more commited to ignoring sane suggestions.
>>739173825lol it runs at 40 fps on a 5090 thats a joke
>>739181318I think they said it's eventually going to have an attachment that turns it into the mech suit of this game
>>739182665The in game dialogue about "nature not being anything like a capital market" is proof they don't fucking understand it at all.
There’s something that just pulls me out of a game when I know a creature is immortal. It’s no longer a “living thing” it just becomes an obnoxious stage hazard.I’m no longer a survivor in an alien ecosystem I’m a tourist in the devs obstacle course.Death is an inseparable part of the circle of life.Prey dies so predators don’t starve.IRL you get big and loud to make predators flee because they fear getting hurt.Even smaller creatures can fend off larger ones simply because of how ferocious they are making predators wary of injury.And they fear injury because they can die.Animals aren’t damage blocks with agro range you need to afk check with m1 every min or two.I’m not looking to slaughter Leviathans like it’s monster hunter, I want to know that the creatures in this world want to survive same as me and if this is supposed to be a survival game the first humans figured out pretty quick that a pointy sick is a really good way to survive.
