Is Final Fantasy 8 still the worst game in the series, or 16 finally dethroned it?
VIII is the best in the series.
>>739175996It was never the worst. It was part of the FF golden age. That title of worst will always go to 2.
everything with 12 and after made ff shit. 6-7-8-9-10 was the prime. ff12 introduced mmo tier gameplay and took away any soul, which continued until now. idk why people dislike 8 at all, seems like a very plebian opinion, its ambitious and maybe has the most creative worldbuilding of any ff.
>>739176037fpbp
>>739176124>It was part of the FF golden ageEnded right after 7>That title of worst will always go to 2.2 and 8 both had shit tier gameplay, but 8 also has shitty story and characters, and haven't influenced future games.Actually when I think about it, 8 is the only that that haven't influenced future games at all
>>739175996>Is Final Fantasy 8 still the worst game in the series, or 16 finally dethroned it?LMAO have you been livin under a rock these last 20+ years?It was already dethroned at least 3 times, first by 12, then by 13, lastly by 15
>>739175996are you retarded? 13 has always been the worst. it's a boring empty hallway simulator with lame characters. 8 is actually better than 10.
>>739176171It was mostly people being filtered by the junction system and the more subtle story.
>>739176171the reason why is people over hyped 8 leading up to its launch. it's hard to come after ff7. I was one of those people, but after giving it a chance I actually love ff8
>>739175996Never was, pseud.
>First we had people calling silent hill 4 a classic silent hill>now we have retards defending VIIII hate zoomers
>>73917599616 is way better than 8. 2 is still probably the overall worst though.
>>739176341bait 0/10
>>739176341They also love ME and Vista now
Crystal Bearers is right there you know...
>>739175996Beat it a few months ago, easily one of the best. The Rinoa meteor wing build is amazing. Also love how you can customize everything from armor, resistances and even adding the status effects you want on weapons. Playing the card game to refine magic is pretty addicting too. Usually the mini-games in most games are so pointless, like what is the point of Gwent in Witcher 3? It literally serves no purpose but in FF8 playing cards means you get powerful items and magic and materials for weapons early on by refining them with GF's abilities. Also the pre-rendered backgrounds are gorgeous and the seamless transitions from gameplay to CGI is still impressive even to this date.
>>739175996only 6 and 7 are betterthese low effort bait threads are boring and cringe
I don't like VIII, but I still wouldn't call it the worst. No interest in playing XVI or the VII remakes so I don't know how those stack up, but VIII is at least better than II and XIII.I also like it more than IV, which I've never liked. I'm not sure what people see in it.
>>73917599616 and 8 are both in the top 3 though.
>>739176519How 5 isn't better than 8?Or 4?Or 3(both remake and og)?Or 9?>>739176546>which I've never liked. I'm not sure what people see in it.People die left and rightBaits you with kid party member dying for long enought that you'll believe itInteresting villainsPost game dungeon having randomizing elementsKain
>>739176546>spoilerbased. I should really give the game a chance on the DS remake.
>>739176037Came to say this. VIII haters in shambles.
>>739175996there is nothing wrong with 8 you are just retarded. every stream i've watched lately where the person doesn't like it they either don't understand the system, get filtered by cards or don't comprehend time travel logic
>>73917599613 exists, so no.
>>739176257there is nothing wrong with 13 either you have no patience, the corridor ends after the first two actual bosses.the worst FF is NES 2
In Final Fantasy VIII, enemy levels are determined by your party's average level. It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to figure out that if you run from every battle and never level up, then the enemies are ridiculously easy throughout all four discs. Oh, and if you kill everyone in your party except for Squall, then those dead party members remain at Level 1 and automatically keep your average level down, so as Squall levels up the monsters' levels are anchored down by your dead party members, basically allowing Squall to become obscenely powerful in comparison to them. And if that doesn't make the game easy enough for you, then how about this: although one normally needs to be at low health in order to access this total game-breaker of an attack called a Limit Break (which allow a character to do over 9,000 damage over 9,000 times within a single turn at no cost to anything in your inventory except for Irvine's ammo), when only one party member is alive the game will let you perform Limit Breaks even at full health -- the same effect as one of the game's most useful spells (Aura) without actually casting it. So you are basically battling monsters that are one-third your level while using the most powerful attacks in the game that were originally intended as a crutch for RPG-n00bs who can't win boss fights without them because they are too stupid to make effective use of the Junction System. If you don't want to walk around hauling corpses, you could always spam the square button and have a limit break every turn with every character because the programers left that cheat in because they thought Americans needed the extra help. Believe it or not, most fantards will call hauling corpses around as cheating but spamming the square button is A-Ok because the programmers left it in. tl;dr - The game punishes trying and rewards laziness.
>>7391765196 is carried by Kefka, Shadow and Celes. The rest of the game is pretty “eh”.
>>739176758I still can't comprehenbd how can anyone criticize 13 for corridors, when 10 exist and everyone praise it for that
>>739176804>ShadowLiterally a non-character, you never played 6
>>739176795>tl;dr - the game punishes trying and rewards lazinessJust like real life! Wow, incredible game. Incredible.
>>739176795if a game is best approached by skipping all the encounters and it's not a stealth game, then the devs fucked up. in ff8, the devs kept fucking up over and over again and everything is broken to the point where you can beat the game mostly playing triple triad and skipping all the non boss fights. i have the same complain about botw because of the durability system.
>>739176864He’s cool and one of the non-cringe characters of 6. If you want to talk completely redundant characters, Gau is right there.
A Convoluted Story with a Flimsy FoundationFor a series known for its rich storytelling, many consider FFVIII's narrative a mess of plot holes and confusing reveals.The "Orphanage" Twist: The entire main cast grew up together in the same orphanage but completely forgot due to amnesia caused by using Guardian Forces (summons). Players felt this revelation, arriving halfway through the game, was an extremely forced plot device.Uninteresting and Underwhelming Antagonists: Following iconic villains like Sephiroth and Kefka, the game's primary antagonist, Ultimecia, appears far too late and is considered a weak, shallow villain.Disjointed Narrative: The story is described as "disjointed," confusing to follow, and lacking a sense of cohesive progression, with the plot frequently shifting between different eras and scenarios without a strong central thread.An Unappealing Cast of HeroesThe personal journey of its characters is the emotional core of Final Fantasy VIII, but many found this journey frustrating rather than engaging.Squall's Edgy, Uncommunicative Protagonist: A major criticism is that the protagonist, Squall Leonhart, is an annoying, emo, and uncommunicative character. His constant "whatever" attitude often made players feel just as apathetic towards the story as he was.Rinoa's Unconvincing Love Interest: The central romance between Squall and Rinoa is seen as forced, feeling more like an immature obsession or lust rather than a genuine relationship.The Rest of the Forgotten Cast: Outside of Squall and Rinoa, the rest of the party members—like Quistis, Zell, Selphie, and Irvine—are largely one-dimensional and become nearly irrelevant after the first disc.
>>739176968It’s not best approached by skipping all encounters though. You need to do random encounters for AP to unlock new abilities for your GFs. That, and enemies drop materials for weapon crafting and item refinement.
>>739176836X got a pass because ps2 + VAs was new and exciting and they missed the corridors and one time events and shit that cockblocked me on my first run so they don't criticize but everyone remembers 13 taking 10 hours to "clear the tutorial" and not everyone got to the sequels.
>>739177030>one of strongest characters in the game>Has one of the top3 scenes in world of ruinYou never played 6, zoomie
>>739177138>That, and enemies drop materials for weapon crafting and item refinement.triple triad cards do that instead and offer way more of the items for a lot less grinding required.you can cheese the ap grinding too in the early game where you get next to no exp but a lot of ap. a rpg where you don't want to level up is a failed rpg.
I am playing ff6 right now and i am probably going to drop it. I think it sucks. Wouls have been cool in 1993 though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5gcYA8xf8
>>739175996Pretty sure that's 16.
>>739175996FF2 is the worst and it's not even close. Then you have 15 and 16 behind it.
>>739177194That cheese only lets you level up the early GFs. You still need to level up other GFs you get later. I also feel VIII is superior because you can’t just level grind and become gamebreakingly overpowered. You have to understand how junctioning works to become OP.
>>739175996It was never the worst and was actually one of the best.>>739176228>no influenceWhat is Lightning's weapon, Triple Triad in ff14, and Squall's weapon as a job in ff14 for 100, Alex?
>>739177283most correct post in thread so far
>>739177302nearly everything you do in ff8 makes you gamebreakingly overpowered though. you can spam inputs with zell's limit break and do infinite damage just by casting aura on him. the meltdown spell is also so op that square decided not to add that in future games. turning tents into curaga early on just flat on breaks the game. junctioning isn't some crazy hard to understand system either, you hit auto and you're good to go. you either grab spells by spamming draw in battle or by breaking down triple triad cards/items. the draw system in general is the same annoyance that stealing in ff9 was, except every character has to do it unless you're breaking down cards/items.
>>739177360>ff14literally doesn't count, they desperate to use any memberberries
>>739175996>Is Final Fantasy 8 still the worst game in the series, or 16 finally dethroned it?That would be 9 as the worst. From a gameplay and story perspective. Only good thing about it is Vivi.
>>739177456the fun part on an "i already beat the game time for fun" run is getting so broken in balamb via cards that you can kill the robot spider, and get the one before lionheart upgrade before ifritand you level up to 100 ON PURPOSE to make it actually challenging, streamers staying low level for the whole game have no balls
>>739176124Fuck off FF2 has it charm if you play the remakes and not the clunky NES version.
>>7391773608 also had influence beyond FF since the gunblade inspired the keyblades in Kingdom Hearts and FF8 inspired Expedition 33, as its E33’s director’s favourite game.
>>7391759962 worse4 worse9 worse12 worse13 worse15 worse16 worse
>>739176836thats because you are extremely low IQ.
>>739177849Wow. Nomura is so inspiring, he kept inspiring himself to keep doing the same thing.
>>739176037The Extreme Best Posthttps://youtu.be/c0H3gcWxaWY?si=oa2nWkJ6fHFEVR-a
>>739177849Kingdom Hearts convoluted writing seems influenced by FF8 as well.
>>739178051Ultimecia is the best final boss in the series IMO, and her castle is the best final dungeon too.
>>739176836X has secret weapons, quests, secret summons/Aeons and let you teach new skills for them, optional Overdrives. FFXIII is a straight line with nothing.
>>739176519>only 6 and 7 are betterYou cannot say those numbers in sequential order anon, you just can’t.
>>739178125>tfw don't even know anymore if posts like this are bait, or zoomies unironically believe that
>>739177152That says more about how trash and boring World of Ruin is. Cope.
>>739178014>Wow. Nomura is so inspiring, he kept inspiring himself
>>739178187From a design and overall challenge perspective, her fight is cool and the Castle’s gimmick of having to fight optional bosses to get back your abilities is great.
>>739175996>moviegame A is better than moviegame BI sleep
>>739176037What’s the best part about FF8 and why is it Triple Triad?
>>739178478IMO, the aesthetic and vibe. It had my favourite artstyle and aesthetic of any game ever. I don’t know how to even describe it. It’s like Euro-gothic combined with sci-fi and 90’s fashion.
>>739175996XV retard.
>>739178587> It had my favourite artstyle and aesthetic of any game ever.It's the only final fantasy game without style, so guess you just like boring brown, forgetable aaa slop
>>739178478worldbuildingflying child soldier schoolsmix of futuristic and european aestheticthe fucking desert nail prisonlaguna (with man with a machine gun playing)tt is fun but once you get the character cards its pretty much auto win
>>739178478The best protagonist in the series and the best portrayal of a competent, sensitive young man in vidya.
>>739175996
>>739178478The peak ost
>>739178051The right versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay1Pg9s62yc
>>739178180why use the demake design on titfa?you lose cred.
It's second best. After XII.X is the worst. But XVI sucks too. That said XVI is probably the only one playable to new generations.
>>739178875https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZu6ApF63ZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYkNic4sD20
Man i self insert myself into squall so much at that time8 was my first ff and i fell in love with itmight've also be an explanation why all my exgfs are some sort of rinoa lmao
>>739178478>step-broI didn't think that was widely spread.Also Triple Triad is the second best part after Fujin holding the whole crew in contempt, so she doesn't utter sentences.
>>73917599615 will always be the worst numbered FF game. What a shame
>>739178950insane to me someone thinks 12 is the best. it has the most irrelevant story and characters of any ff (vaan is the fakest protagonist ever). the gambit system is cool, but it also introduced mmo type bounty and fetchquests to ff which only got worse with the following games. i like ivalice as a world (ff tactics) but they didnt do it any justice imo.
>>739175996it was literally never the worstonly retards ever held this opinion9 was worse, the game immediately after it automatically made it not the worst even if you disregard everything else1, 2, 3, 4 are all worse, 12 is honestly still worse (that doesn't mean 12 is bad).16 is worse than every game in the series15 is worse than every game in the series except 1614 and 11 don't really count, but 14 is just as bad as 16 if you want it to count
>>739176795>you can make it super easy by doing this thingjust don't do that then retardit's really not that complicated to just play the game normally instead of trying to purposely make it as easy as possible i'm so tired of listening to you clowns who go out of your way to do shit to make it easier and then complain like retards that it's too easy
>>739176037based
after 12 its all trash, FF is dead
>>739176795this one point is always retarded because leveling up doesnt really make the game much harder, especially when higher level enemies provide higher tier spells for you to draw. FF8 is a jrpg, its designed to be easy to begin with, so you can just play the game normally and have fun or jump through a bunch of hoops to make it unfun but even easier which only min-maxing autists do.
>>739179086Agree with Vaan being most pointless shit ever that was forced into game literally for cheap male protag with harem isekai tropes, but even he was more relevant than any party member in ff8 outside of Squall and chink love interest bitch
>>739176171>idk why people dislike 8 at all8 is horrifically designed for blind/first playthroughs. It has a lot of obtuse mechanics and generally the draw system is tedious to engage with if you don't know what you're doing. There are still things to like about the game playing blind, but 8 apologists gloss over the fact that its various systems get shit on for legitimate reasons.
>>739179473Omega Weapon is genuinely easier at lower levels, but it doesn’t make much of a difference for other enemies.
>>739176171>idk why people dislike 8 at all, seems like a very plebian opinion>defending level scalling in jrpg>mechanic that literally famously punishes people for playing the game>and ff8 has one of the worst examples of level scalling for encounters ever>while complaining about mmo gameplay is same sentencepottery
>>739179678The problem isn’t the systems, but more then the tutorials make the system sound more complicated than it actually is. If you consult the terminal at your desk like Quistis suggests and also experiment, you can piece it together, but the tutorial doesn’t really point you in the right direction. What also doesn’t help is that the casual filters in the game don’t start popping up until Disc 2, so you can get quite far into the game because you’re forced to learn how the game’s systems work.The benefit of the system however is that it means the game actually gets even better on replays.
>>739179780Level scaling is an underrated mechanic because level grinding until the game becomes piss easy is cheap and takes the fun out of it.
>>739178587Currently keeping up with a FF1-10 Marathon 100% but Calebhart a famous FF7 and Mega Man speed runner. Seeing him play FF8 feels like a once in a while thing. Cherishing every hype and rage moment.https://www.youtube.com/live/6LL0wRIAJDk?si=ZAyr-Spd5DUaTRqc
>>739179982>ff8 defenders watch ecelebs Actually, not even surprised, they always were shitfags
>>739175996No, it’s FFXIII. People really need to stop hating on FFXVI. Yes, it should have been a spin off due to the gameplay but it has the best story, cast, ost, and overall return to form in over decades. It’s more of a FF than any main line after FFX. FFXVI, FFX-2, Type-0, Duodecim, and SoP have been the best FF since the merge. FFXIII will always be shit until they remake it and ignore FFXIII-2/Lighting Returns. /endthread
>>739176124>2>badOnly in the way Zelda 2 was bad, aka autistic retards have a tantrum the second anything tries doing anything more complex or different. 2 was so good one of its mechanics became THE skill leveling system in one of the biggest franchises of all time.>>739176795>the same tired bullshit about level scaling as described by someone who NEVER played the game
>>739175996I dislike FF8 as well!
>>739178685>TT is fun but once you get the character cards its pretty much auto winNot if you get a bunch of cancerous rules, Plus is the worst rule next to Random.
>>739177283I like FF2, but it's got major flaws that I think would make most people dislike it.
Dunno why people say that XIII is somehow worse, at least it did gameplay right.
>>739176037ff8 is a decent game, but was the worst ff I played as a kid and I stopped playing them at 12.
>>73917599615 is the worst game in the series, and 8 and 16 aren't second worst, either.
>>739176037Maybe not the best but top 2 for sure
>>739180297>has the best story, cast, ost, and overall return to form in over decadesThat's a joke post right? Nobody actually believes that right?
>>739183825I mean, just see these posts >>739183692 >>739183747...
>>739175996i can't answer this question, I got filtered by a dinosaur and stopped playing in the very intro of the game
>>739176037It's the 2nd best, behind FF7.FF9fags have completely ruined the discourse with their superficial obsession with nostalgia. If your headliner argument is "Game is good because it reminds me of another game" than you lost the discussion before it even started.
>>739175996Best mainline FF games>VII>VIII>XIIIWorst mainline FF games>IV>VI>IX
>>739175996It's 12 for being so forgettable most people won't bring it up in any capacity beyond it having some of the highest graphic fidelity for the time. It also made huggable Nu Mou look like absolute dog shit, so it can burn.
>>739176037/thread
>>739176124spbp>>739177748>FF2 has its charm if you don't play the actual FF2
>>739184258Zoomer take
>>739184258>IV>VI>IX>worse than XV, XIV and XVI
best FF are 5, 3, 1, 7, 4, tactics, 6, 2, 9, 10, 10 2
>>739184635I'm not gonna lie, I haven't played and XI XV and, technically, we should not count XI and XIV because those are made for no-lifers and not for fans of the series.XVI is better than those 3, yes.
Worst FF games8 - literally nothing good about it, characters, world, gameplay, all terrible2 - saga shit doesn't belong to final fantasy10 - corridors with zero exploration16 - for all XV faults, it at least had final fantasy soul in it, 16 doesn't
>>739184258>>739180845>>739176519>>739176546>>739176316Xenogear is the real FFVII
>>739185458>Xenogear is the real FFVIIxenogears isn't even the best non-FF RPG on the PS1, much less the "real" FF7.
>>739177360What are you talking about? Kingdom Hearts and the Final Fantasy VII Remake games have basically turned into FFVIII Redux. Not to mention that FFXIV best expansion was based on FFVIII.
>>739175996So let me get this straightNormalfags can understand Equip Sword --> Do more damageBut get confused by Equip Firega --> Do more damageWhy?/? How is junctioning so difficult for their minds to grasp?
>>739175996It's obviously one of if not the best in the series. The run from 6-10 is unbroken and they're all great.What now?
>>73917599616 is a better game than 15. 2 is still the worst numbered entry though
>>739175996I'd say the only truly bad FFs were 13 and 15. And the reason both failed was because Square went mad with hubris and overestimated their own gamemaking skills. So we ended up with a linear trilogy that was too generic, and an incomplete failed shared universe.
>still(You)not even worth touching anything after X and the Enix merger
>>739175996Whatever.
>>739176630>mentions 9I bet a good chunk of your porn stash is illegal.
>>739176171there are two types of people who don't like ff8ff7babies and people who care about spoony's opinion
>>7391759962, 3, 5, 13 are all easily worse
>>739176795Post like this are hilarious to me. Autistics will look up niche mechanics hidden deep within a game, play the game while following a guide meant to exploit this hidden mechanic, then decide the game is bad because of this completely unintended way of interfacing with the game.
>>739175996Ranked at time of playing, 9 has not aged well.Tactics>7>6>9>3>5>rebirth>16>remake>15>1>X-2>2>10>GBA T>8>4>Origins>DS T>13Guess the Series16>1>2>7>8>13>14>5>4>3>6>17
>>739175996I played FF8 with a guide so I did all the (reasonable) minmaxing and shit with cardmods and all the rest. It was fun as fuck.I enjoyed the story too, and I was drawn into the tragic romance angle hard. The spaceship scene with EoM playing got me hard. Also despite all my minmaxing, I still had quite a few legit challenges. Like I went down into that deep sea research center at the bottom-right of the map probably earlier than I should have, but godDAMN was it scary. On the deep levels, every single battle was nailbiting and I had to pull out all the broken strats I could just to stay alive. No save points down there either, so I had to go back up and go through the same fights just to get back to the surface and save. It was some of the most assclenching fun I've ever had with a JRPG.All these long years I had put it on the backburner because people say it's "the worst". But god damn, am I glad I finally played it for myself.
>>739176795What the fuck? Ive been here for 19 awful years. How did I not know any of this? Blowing my fucking mind. You won the internet today. Nothing more cringe than BTFO but I will unironically use it correctly for the first time ever. FF8 fags BTFO!
Squall is the most handsome FF MC no homo
>>739188851>glad I finally played it>I played FF8 with a guide You didn't play a goddamn thing except yourself.
>>739175996At least its not overrated as fuck like IX
>>739189074Firion
>>739189101It was just for cardmod strats, when to move the queen, etc. Anyway I had a ton of fun so, win-win.
>>739189101Except he had fun so he actually won unlike 95% of us.
>>739188851Speaking of challenges, since you mentioned that...The best one I had was when I made my own with following rules:>must use base weapons; weapon remodelling is not allowed>Quezacotl GF is not allowed, meaning there is no carding enemies and/or turning cards into items>only 1 GF can be equipped per character at the same time (you can swap them, but you can't have more than 1 on a character)>must beat the game with less than 100 kills (*I added this one specifically because there is a trophy/cheevo in remaster for 100 kills)>characters are not allowed to level upThe first 3 from the list are not that bad, but other 2 can be if you don't know the game.
>>739189201He is up there
>>739189291How do you kill 100 enemies without leveling up?
Square Enix should make VIII into an anime, the story is actually great if you take R=U
>>739176795>at no cost to anything in your inventory except for Irvine's ammoGets me everytime
>>739189440Squall is Ultimecia if he never met Rinoa. Think about it. Squall has the same isolationist mindset at the start of the game as she does at the end of the game. Squall is the one who went back in time to allow SEED to be created and created the myth of Ultimecia. It in fact would be more accurate to say Ultimecia does not exist at all, merely being some shit evil future Squall invented to cope with his loneliness.
>>739187516It more mature FF than VII
>>739189440Rise of Ronin is great games
>>739189545How she could not eixst without a sorceress host?
>>739177748If you have to remake FF2 to make it good, then it just isn’t good. OG FF2 is the worst in the series
>>739190191It's notOG Final fantasy 7 literally starts with good guys killing bunch of civilians for the sake of eco terrorism, and midgar section takes that very seriously.Still mad that it was changed in remake, one of few parts that was downgrade for the story
>>739190404Squall is a giant pussy loser, so he got transfered witch powers sometime in the future
So it's pretty heavily implied that Laguna is Squalls dad right or is it outright statedEither way I dont remember Lagunas role being important enough to justify his flashback segments
>>739190652>good guys killing bunch of civilians for the sake of eco terrorismAre we the bad guys?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEr8dRs03So
>>739176037FPBP
>>739175996>FF8>worstnormalniggers really are subhuman vermin
>>739189381Bosses don't give you EXPThere are few unavoidable fights where you get EXP, which is why you need to be careful not to level up.
Whatever.
>>739191239I know that but surely there aren't enough to get you the achievement for killing X enemies while avoiding lvling
>>739184067Its a good game because not only its actually finished unlike 8 its got a better soundtrack, cast, exploration and world.Has nothing to do with nostalgia, its just simply better.
I kinda wanna try FF8 again. Played it as a retarded kid and never made it past disc 2.
https://youtu.be/S3-x0Tahe60?si=KBKPwBOeH_-iD20Q
FF13 was the worst.15 and 16 aren't even FF any more. 15 wasn't even supposed to be an independently numbered FF game.
>>739191426I just checked. In my save after defeating Omega I had 76 kills in total.Some bosses have helpers and those you fight several times (like Seifer, Fujin, and Raijin for example) count as well every time you defeat them.
>>739191393>>739191668>Well established threat>Forshadowed>Reduced to being pre boss before the final villainWhy?
It was a development mess like any FF except 10(in FF3 they even went to america middle development because the programer was deported)Sakaguchi in FF4 having cuck rage and forcing the team to revive every party member was worse than the Orfanage twist in 8 tho.
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>>739192173surprised the internet didn't post any r34 lol
Is there a mod to make the combat better?
What is the best way to play it currently? Via emulation or is the PC port alright?
>>739191197>zoomie normeis for whom it was first and only ff are the only ones who love itIronic
>>739193702Cons and Pros of the PC port of the original game (not the demaster)>Requires a Square-Enix account to play if you don't pirate it>Uses off-pitch audio files for the game's music>Includes the previously exclusive Chocobo World game which is not worth playing in my opinion>Includes built in cheats like having all your attacks deal 9999 damage who the fuck uses this
>>739189074build for Selphie
>>739194343Why do they look so perfect bros
Here's your sorceress bro
>>739178789>ff8 sucks>ff8 is great the characters and junction system is kino blah blah blah>ff8 sucksFtfy.
>>739194562asshole emo boys and cheerful genki girls are just naturally built for each other
>>739194942As if you wouldn't use magic to become fit as fuck and 20 feet tall if you could
Worst minigame in the series. Seriously whose fucking idea it was to hide all gear behind retarded rng minigame?
>>739196848Every criticism of 8 is so retarded. What the fuck do you think the quest rewards and monster drops are for? Refine those for gear, you don't need to do cards at all.
>>739176037Correct.
>>739193702emulate for sure.
>>739196848People are genuinely brain dead neighbor cattle and will defend anything like >>739197064It reminds me of how people were shitting on the side quests and ubisoft towers check box "content" in FF7 rebirth and people defending it said it was good because it locks good rewards behind it.
>>739175996it is the polarizing FFeither you love it or hate it, there is no inbetween, and people seem to be evenly split in opinionpersonally, i never finished it, even though i bought it at launch.
>>739199316In this situation grinding cards for 3 hours is the 'ubisoft tower' "content", not just playing the game getting gear drops from logical progression.
>>739199316Difference is that rebirth is actually a pretty good game, and best final fantasy we got since 9.8, is not.
>>739175996It's the worst game in the series up to that point.Starting with 8, each new game in the series was worse than the last.
>>739176124>It was never the worst.It absolutely was. It was the first game that made long time fans realise something was drastically wrong with Square.
>>739201160So true. All those hours us long time fans spent playing the demo, then playing and replaying the full game was actually a psyop nobody actually enjoyed the game.
>>739180657Zelda 2 is excellent.The only thing wrong with it, is the localizers made the USA version too hard.FF2 is a pile of shit and was so bad they shitcanned the designer out of the team and gave him his own series - not unlike how Marge makes 2 cakes, 1 of them specifically so homer can ruin it.
Spoony thinks 13 is the worst now. Let 8 rest.
>>739201094All games after 8 were better than it at least.
>>739201449I would buy remaster of 13 on switch 2 or even pc.I would never touch any port or remaster of 8.
>>739175996VIII is maybe the jankiest of the golden age of VI-X, but once you step outside of that era then you've got shit like II, XIII, and XV and you realize VIII really isn't that bad. I swear, it's like a ton of people have just totally blotted out XIII from their memories when discussing low points in the series.
>>739201449I'm glad spoony has withered away into being a fucking schizo nobody who has no friends anymore and does nothing but rp as his cat on twitter inbetween having mental break downs about trump.
>>739202381You literally spend 5minutes in a random trash mob in 13 sometimes.They overcorrected the "press attack to win in Final Fantasy" meme. The upside is many bosses are very good but they still had to give Barthandelus a hitkill move when it's game over if the party leader falls. They fail even when they succeed.
>>739202462Spoony permanently stained the honor of FFVIII online, forever. All because he couldn't figure out Junctioning.
>>739202381I feel the other way around, people really memoryholed just how bad VIII really was.
>>739202832He can hardly figure out anything. He's just a retard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgG5QqZUzjY
>>739189201Paladin Cecil
>>739175996XIII is by far the worst in the seriesVIII is goodXVI is actually great despite the fud
>>7391759968s high mid tier.
>>739175996Nice try but 13 killed the franchise and there's no taking that back or distracting from that fact. And I dont even like 8, either, but it's not even on the same tier of bad that 13 was.
I mean the 3 NES are probably the worst mainline games desu if you exclude the MMOs.
>Top Tier9710>High Tier86>Mid tier45131>Low tier215
>>739176037Instant KO of OP. Unbelievable.
I feel like VIII is harmed by being wedged between 7 and 9 which were more soulful in execution. 9 being a loveletter to the series and 7 being a heartfelt exploration of life and the planet just hit harder than a teenage love story.
>>739175996Nah, but 16, 15 and 13 are pretty much number 1, 2 and 3 in my "I don't give a shit about this FF game" list. XIV is the only good thing Final Fantasy has done in the past 20 years or so and even then it comes with a great number of downsides.
I might get 16. Its on sale with all the dlc for like 30 bucks on PSN at the moment. It can't be that bad right? https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0082-PPSA10664_00-SEIA0000000000CEIts one of the very few FF games I havent actually played. 15, 2 and 5 being the others I havent played.
The thing I most liked about VIII is the unparalleled world building. I don't think FF has come close to this since. If you're ever replaying FFVII, after each major story beat you can go to any town or area and find the dialogue is completely changed. And it's all just kind of there in the background. Apparently there's even more in the Japanese version.>Playing FFVIII for the third time>Always thought it was weird that Seifer just kind of takes control of the Galbadian army>By chance visit Balamb and Deiling City at just the right time>All the NPCs are talking about how there was a Coup of the Galbadian leadership by a SEED mercenary playing out over the last few days and it looks like he's wonThe other one that blew my mind was the guy in Balamb that says he seen a city appear over the sea - referring to the Esther barrier being taken down. Then you go back later and he's talking about monsters falling from the moon. Just stupidly insane attention to things that people just wouldn't notice on a casual playthrough. Then there's the whole Hyine mythology that's just hanging out in side areas.
>>739204107>mmo>good
>>739204190The fact that they did this without doing the FF13-16 database thing was great. Games just straight up used to be better
>>739176037Odd way of spelling "12" but 8 is a second, yes.>>739175996Weird way of spelling 2 (Japan)/SaGa in FF clothes.
>>739176124Shut up, Maria Sexo
>>739179678The game LITERALLY teaches you the Junction system. It's not the games fault you're too retarded to READ.
>>739204364>Odd way of spelling BLANK>Weird way of spelling BLANKIs this what redditors find funny?
>>739176795Everyone knows level scaling is the single worst video game mechanic ever created
>>739204364What do you mean?
>>739177639I have no idea why people pretend 9 isn't one of the worst. 8 sucks but it at least has a lot of cool ideas to like but 9 is dog shit but also completely bland and uninteresting. Also the worst side content of not just any FF but any video game ever.
>>739176037Fpbp and OP was a faggot like always.
>>739180297>but it has the best story, cast, ost, and overall return to formYou aren't even trying with this bait
>>73918029713 is for sure the worst. It is by far the most weeb tier game in the entire mainline FF franchise. All the party members talk and behave like turbo cringe anime weeb characters you would see in some cringe shit like Persona or Fire emblem or whatever.
>>739189201I just finished FF1 for the first time and why is the WoL portrayed as a super handsome pretty boy when the game literally has NPCs call you an ugly fuck. Also is 1 the only game that doesn't actually have a set defined protagonist?
>>739179982I liked the part where he was struggling to get Marlboro Tentacles to acquire Doomtrain.
Best:6,7,10ok:4,8,9bad:12, 13, 15, 16who cares:1,2,3,5
>>739204657If people who hate 9 are just hyperbolic and can't actually explain why 9s bad, it just makes 9 look better.
>>739180657Thoughts on Castlevania 2, Super Mario Bros 2, and any other sequel that tries something new?
>>7392051869 is bland and forgettable. Its not bad but not really good either. Its fine.
>>739205186>I can't refute a point so I'll call it hyperboleTo use your own words, if you can't address a single point and need to deflect you just make 9 look worse.
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>>739205186It's not hyperbole though. I've never played a game that felt like it was designed with requiring a guide to follow while playing more than FF9 does.
>>739205247>castlevania 2Its flaws are entirely built around needing to buy nintendo power to discern obscure bullshit like crouching in a corner with a gem equipped.>super mario bros 2Do you mean the real one that was just a copypaste job of 1, or the one that nintendo stole from the original developers and replaced all the sprites and title to pretend it's a mario game?
>"oh man the junction system is so complex i don't get it">Look at it myself.>It's just your typical RPG equipment system but you're equipping Fire instead of Leather Cap.
>>739189201Absolutely Squall
>>739205302>dog shitYeah, what an amazing point. A well thought out and formulated an opinion about why 9s bad.>Also the worst side content of not just any FF but any video game ever.Also this is totally not blatantly hyperbolic. Kill yourself and don't shit up threads with retarded bait because its the only way you ever get attention.
>>7392051869 is a game where you keep wondering 'when does it actually start?' even at the point when you're wandering its boring as fuck final dungeon. It just never takes off.
>>739205540You mean you're equipping 99 fires instead of one leather cap
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>>739190520What about OG FF1, that game is clunky too and even his the ineffective bug where you attack the air if an enemy is already dead.
>>739191197So excited for Toy Story 5!Coming out in a month!
>>739205282>forgettableVivi is one of the most popular characters in the entire franchise and the music is also still with me 2 decades later>>739205478This nigga needs a guide to beat a game made for children.I managed to do it when I was 8 and I couldn't read or understand English.>>739205645>'when does it actually start?'The moment you start the game.Niggas cannot comprehend good pacing because so many games are total dogshit.9 is excellent from start to finish and the story just keeps trucking on.By the time you finish the first disc you have seen cities being nuked, mass produced death machines,giant dragons, city wide hunts,chocobo breeding and you get introduced to the faggiest antagonist ever made.All in 6-8 hours.9 haters really seem either dumb or just people who have not played the game
>>739206112>I managed to do it when I was 8 and I couldn't read or understand English>or understand EnglishI was talking about the side content not beating the main story which was the topic that anon brought up so yeah I can see that you're an ESL.
>>739191668Adel having Rinoa on its chest is such an aura farm I’m struggling to figure out the gender of Adel.
>>739206171Oh yes the side content is sooooo hard and obtuse.>pick up frog>frog counter starts>you pick up more it increases>pick up coins named after signs>you turn it in and you get items>do chocobo minigame>stats increase>get treasure map>go to location>get treasureReally advanced stuff here. And I am sure you are going to bring up frogs respawing slower if you dont leave one male and one female but who cares.
>>7392061129fags are so insecure and over-compensating. Your preferred game is derivative boring shit and the melancholy music does the main heavy lifting that sets it apart. It has the worst combat feel of any classic FF.
>>739206347It's genuinely impressive how dishonest you are. kek you really are just making 9 look worse by being such a liar when defending it.
FF8 literally invented Aura farming before it was cool.
>>739206112sorry bro 9 is just not very good>wow its paced so goodits paced poorly, which is why people feel very uninterested at various points of itthe music is not an argument whatsoever because uematsus music is always good, 9 has a nice ost, so does every other final fantasy game. the game realistically doesn't even start to get interesting until you meet beatrix, and then at various point it shits the bed by making you not interested again for segments which just shouldn't happen
>>739204416Junctioning and Drawing aren't the same thing. I'm talking very specifically about the best way to get magic to junction to your stats, since the trap people fall into is just to grind them from enemies.
>>739203917All in your onion
>>739206347Tell me how you figured out that you had to beat the entire game in under 12 hours to get Excalibur 2 without a guide.
>>739206630Tell me why you consider an easter egg as side content.GTA San Andreas is obtuse because the cheat codes require a manual or a guide.How was I supposed to know I need to type HESOYAM?????
>>739206554Quit doing drugs FFXIII is a turd sandwich. The worst FF goes to XIII and oh boy FFXV and remake are pretty bad yet still FFXIII is somehow worse.
>>739206698>it doesn't count because I said soGreat argument, incredibly compelling. Please feel free to serenade me more with your pathetic semantics.
>>739204432Seen a lot of people defend it, especially TES cucks because "I CAN GO ANYWHERE"!
>>739206750How is a single item that you get by basically speedrunning "side content".Is getting extra orbs for an S rank in DMC3 side content?
>thread about 8>the ONE 9cunt on the entire internet bumbles in and tries to make the entire thread about his pet topic
>>739205027Do they call you ugly? Kek. Was player 1 a monk.1 and 3 not counting the 5? GB games.
>>739206360Best setting though.
>>7391905202 is so bad it wraps around to good again. You can toad the final boss. Like house of a thousand corpses there is no wrong ranking.
>>73920517812 is painfully, perfectly ok. Also you need to play 3 and 5.
>>739178051K I N OINO
how can this man be stopped?
>>739207738Overrated desu. His slower songs are really good (Rydia's theme, Theme of Love, Relm's theme, Tifa, Aerith, Yuna, a lot of the songs he wrote for FFXIV 1.0) but I'm going to be the one who says his battle themes arent particularly amazing, and by his own admittance he's not classically trained and great at melodies but bad at composing pieces to set tone or pieces that dont rely on a hummable melody. Hes babbys first game composer.
>>739207738Yoko Shimomura is on par with him
>>739208035bell curve: the post
>>739208060That cunt sucks ass
6, 7 and 10 are really the only actually good FF games.
>>739191197>normalniggers really are subhuman verminFFVIII is one of the normie final fantasy games you fucking retard>Second best selling Final Fantasy game>Squall is an insanely recognizable character>Generally favorable opinions about the game outside of people who actually play more than 3 JRPGs in their life>Squall and Riona shit was compared to the likes of fucking Titanic back then>Even the Normalfag 33 dev said FFVIII was one of his primary inspirations>Game outsold fucking OOT and Goldeneye in its own generation>Not a fucking normalnigger cattle gamePeople are acting like the public perception of VIII wasnt generally positive overall for some reason and that somehow you are some bullied underground fanbase that has to go into fucking hiding because more hardcore fans of the franchise realize it fucking blows dick. This became more apparent when the game wasnt actively being carried by state of the art visuals for the time and as more and more JRPGs hit the limelight. The reason why it is looked on less favorably today is because people (Like Spoony) went back and realized "man this plot is stupid and doesnt make sense. Its just window dressing for a shit love story" and "This combat system is kinda shit even by FF standards"Fuck id debate FFX was less fucking normalfag nonsense than FFVIII considering Tidus was largely considered to be an unlikable fag that looked gay back then and has only gotten more positive reception as time went on. Even then it is still a fucking normalnig game. What the fuck are you on about you retarded fag. Either invent a time machine and go back to the fucking late 90s or suck my cock instead of making shit up
>>739208424Replace 10 with tactics and I'll begrudgingly accept it.
>>739208801Lightning is their best known main character.
>>739208035What a pretentious midwit post.
Why are XIV threads so cliquey?
>>739208801>The reason why it is looked on less favorably today is because people (Like Spoony) went back and realizedThat they are retards?
>>739208801>bla bla bla>this game is bad because a literal schizo said so>bla bla blaWhatever.
>>739207738I imagine the same people that like Uematsu are the same people who like shit like Imagine Dragons
>>739209067Kek actual niggercattle afraid of being called a normalfag
>>739208801>Game outsold fucking OOT and Goldeneye in its own generation>somehow has less staying more than an FPS that runs at like 15 FPS and aged like milk and one of the most over rated games of all time>all it got in the past 25 years are a couple of shit portsSquare enix is so garbage jesus fucking christ
15 is the worst Final Fantasy especially if you got it when it first came out. People say 13 is somehow worse but I've never played it. If that's true then I'm wary to even give it a try.
>>739176037FP raping OP like usual
>>739209643I love women who look like this
>>739209834You know what, FF needs a girl that looks like this
Its kind of amazing how eclipsed FFVIII manages to be if it really is the second best selling Final Fantasy game. On a cultural level, its impact extends about as far as Leon being in KH, with no real iconic crossovers or anything to speak of. On a pornographic level, most of the girls in that game get practically fucking nothing, to the point where the girls are mogged by fucking Faris from FFV, Rydia and Rosa from FFIV, Celes from FFVI, etc, despite Rinoa being a primary selling point of that game. Its one of those games that "did well" yet one of the most impactful and talked about things the game actually did was launch the career of a fucking retarded hasbeen
8 isn't bad at all, you're just retarded and didn't bother learning the junction system.
>>739210050I didnt need to in order to beat the game, so why does it matter
>>739210050Learning the junction system makes the game less enjoyable. 8 is only fun if you're bumbling through the game without bothering to explore the mechanics at all, and even then it isn't all that great.
>>739210050>Learn junction system>Instead of getting to listen to the kino that is Force Your Way I can just immediately kill nearly every boss, especially if I abuse limit break
>>739204190Things like that create an interesting debate in terms of video game storytelling in the sense that a lot of people would say that detail should have been included in the main plot and that hiding it in an obscure optional convo is a failure on the game’s part. But then you could also argue that doing that rewards players who actually explore and pay attention.In a way, FFVIII reminds me of the Star Wars Prequels in the sense that they have an insane amount of depth and thought put into its world and the machinations of things, but because the plot is constantly moving forward and focusing on the main character’s drama, we only catch glimpses of that depth unless you really go digging.
>>739175996X is the worst one. Always has been.
Imma be real with you Chief. Final Fantasy II is the worst game.
>>73921120310 isn't worse than anything that came after it
>>739210023VIII has been going through a revival in terms of its popularity in recent years. Especially since Expedition 33’s director is openly a massive FF8-fag, as is Ben Starr.
>>739211321Before E33 FFVIII pretty much had absolutely no influence or cultural impact that wasnt taken by FFVII which is pretty funny
>>739211408What about Kingdom Hearts becoming more and more FF8lite?
>>739211468Its becoming more and more Versus XIII lite. A lot of stuff is directly referring to it
>>739211670Yeah, the third one went full steam ahead in that direction but before it was full FF8 with Naminé, the Nobodies, the time travel mechanics, and so on.
>>739211738I dont think FFVIII is about what you think it's about
>>739211845The time travel mechanics introduced in KH literally work on the same philosophy as FF8. Then you've things like the Master of Masters operating on future knowledge to tell the Foretellers how to safeguard and train the Dandelions. Just the Dandelion = SeeD is a big telling.
>>739211468Thats just every nomura project because he is a hack writer
>>739176795I wish I would've figured this out as a kid and not like 25 years later. Maybe then I would've actually beaten FF8
>>739211989Nomura didnt write 8 was still just a character designer
>>739212120It still influenced his writing
