Ace attourney
Maya on her knees to please the bvll...
Is this series dead or something?
>>739177495always has been
>>739177495Basically yesIt's better that way
>>739177495Well yes but also yes.
Why is there a superfluous 'u'?
Replaying T&T sure made me figure out why DD went all out on the handholding.Even when you literally 100% know exactly what happens, the game has a lot of "no, not like that. you have to progress the CE in this exact way even if you already have a contra staring in your face and the evidence to prove it" along with "btw even if those two pieces show essentially the same thing, only this one works" - and combine everything with how willing they are to give you hueg penalties. What the fug Takumi.
>>739179215JFA and T&T also had a lot of moments that were like>judge gives you an extremely vague prompt where it's not even clear what you're supposed to be proving, let alone how to prove it>wrong guess penalty: 40%
Yes
>>739179449Retard list
>>739179432Yea the vague prompts are also a bit of an issue if you can't recall the context(*usually* present in the textboxes that you could read before the prompt, but *not always*).A lot of T&T difficulty is genuinely this bs though, the only case that's complicated is 3-5 in retrospect. 3-2 slightly but not really. 3-1, 3-3, 3-4 are arguably simple, there is just a lot of bullshitting going on(with 3-3 literally having a reenactment for the sake of tricking an old man lmao, but what actually happened is kinda ez) + a shitton of things that can damage you.
ace a tournament
>>739179449AA games rated very properly, especially if it's implying the first game is the best one in the series and T&T is a close second(despite my gameplay complaints here, how did we go from the much more straightforward first game to this?)Not sure about the rest.
>Starring debonair gentleman who goes around solving international conspiracies>Surrounded by QT women who have terrible pun names>Faces off against foreign villains who elaborately explain their motivations and goals>Serious plots which are full of wacky bullshit and large set pieces>Even ends with a guy in clown makeupThese games are literally Roger Moore era Bond films except Edgeworth never bangs any of the bond girls
Kinda weird that they didn't put a history log on GBA/DS, come to think of it. It was even a planned thing(only including testimony text, I guess? Why not leaving it in either way?)I've seen other games including that feature, why not AA when you actually might want to read old text?
Ahem, other games on the same console*It's not a big fucking deal to have this. Can't believe it was only added in the HD collections.
>>739179449>Aviary Attorney that low.Damn. Was it really that bad?
>>739179449*Yawn* bait not good enough
>>739179449>Dangan2 in S>Ghost Trick not in SWeak bait
>>739180142It wasn’t, at least the original trilogy collection doesn’t have text log
>>739183169Even worse than I remember it then.
I've been replaying the first trilogy and about to start 2-2.I remember seeing posts on /v/ complaining about the case, but I remember liking it the first time I played. I can see why people might not like spirit channeling bullshit in their mystery game (even if it abides by consistent rules) and that the culprit's motive is a bit dumb, but it's better than 2-1 and 2-3. The main twist was pretty cool and it's a good introduction to Franziska in court.So why do some people hate this case so much?
>>739184613Honestly no idea. 2-2 is one of my "pretty good" cases.I liked it above 3-2 despite Luke Atmey being a much better villain.Very good case to introduce Franny too. And the psyche locks.
>>739176626So should I make an ace attorney game? Keep in mind I have basically zero experience in programming except pissing around with RPG maker once or twice and making a dumb, but real game.I'm thinking I'd replace the verb box with a list of legal objections, but that'd take a lot of programming work, I expect. Unless I just cheated and made every dialogue choice an "item" and you had to use it on the right spot, which would just be the dialogue window.
>>739177495Anyone smart enough to write a compelling Mystery is also smart enough not to write a VN in the current era.
>>739185002make it a roguelike deckbuilder to anger people
>>739184613I like it, for me it’s the second best case of 2It introduced Pearl so it gets a lot of points and the twist was cool, Mini did nothing wrong
cute retard
>>739176717the bvll is me (aka phoenix, i self-insert)
>>739185590Mr. Nick is so lucky to have Mystic Maya as his wife
>>739185002An "Ace Attorney game" is a murder mystery game first and foremost, the courtroom and lawyers are just there because it's an unique setting and the whole Press/Present mini-game makes sense if you are cross-examining people during a trial, unlike AAI where Edgeworth does it to random people on the streets. So the legal objections part might not be very conductive to what's the game about, not sure what you are thinking there, but I can't imagine it's going to add much.That being said, I feel like you could add some proceedings that AA skips over, like a playable redirect phase when the defense calls his/her own witnesses(and that would imply the cross phase is not playable instead, since the prosecutor will be doing it). Major difference would be having to present evidence or bring up certain statements to agree, sort of like you can do in DR debates with blue statements.
>>739177889So OP can circumvent people's 4chanX filters. For some reason, melanated individuals seem to get off on that. Same with the "muscular females", the "vidya waifus" and the "vidya fanarts" ritualposts.
>>739185590
>>739177889I think OP is British, they add unnecessary Us to words like color
>>739187002Meds
>>739179449>Trials and Tribulations S-tierWhy? It's the third worst game in the series just barely ahead of Dual Destinies and the Great Ace Attorney 1.
>>739186806That's fine, I'm not entirely sure what I'm thinking either. I suppose you have the prosecution present their case, in full and during that time you're really just poking holes in their arguments with your objection buttons to try weaken their case. But hell, maybe it could even be tactical and sometimes you don't object because it would be better for you to let them lie on the stand than getting 5 points or something stupid for correctly pointing out a technical error.Then it switches to your turn and the objection bar goes away and you get to ask questions, or something.
>>739184613I couldn't tell you beyond "I hate spirit nonsense"the second game as a whole got a bad rap for having 3 bad cases and 1 amazing case when it's more like half the game is pretty solid and the other half is...not.
>>739187326That feels like you want to do someting that focuses at least a little more on the procedural side of trials rather than the mystery speculah, which is fine and all but entirely different from AA's actual appeal.There are some things I'd like to add or change to AA games myself, and I wouldn't mind the dialogue or maybe aesthetic choices making it feel like the lawyers are actually lawyers rather than glorified detectives(e.g. one of my cases has a witness who basically conducts an unauthorized investigation, and there is some discussion about which pieces of evidence could be admitted in a trial and what exactly can be used about them, if at all. That feeds into the drama since this person does know more facts than what they are legally allowed to bring up on the table, and it's getting in the way of finding da truth).
How much better is AA with an undub? The blatant localization is atrocious.
Why didn't they make any more films again?I couldn't find anything wrong with it so I assume there was a more meta reason they didn't keep going.
>gooner but I hate the franchise it comes from nowYou are the WORST kind of person I see in the threads I visit.
>>739188509There is one? Other than AAI2 and DGS, I guess.
>>739177495The last mainline (AA6) game was 2016. The last game (TGAA2) was 2017.Capcom keeps saying recently AA is a series they want to expand and promote, and Takumi is still working at Capcom. So dead but night come back soon
>>73919072010 fucking years... we even reached AJ timeline already, yet still no AA in sight.
>>739188509There isn't an undub patch for the series AFAIK. The official localizations are pretty good overall. You have to accept the setting change, it was a mistake (even the localization director from AA2 onward agrees), but it doesn't make a big difference since it's rarely brought up.The localized names and jokes carry the same spirit and intent as the original Japanese script. You're not getting a significantly different experience playing in English vs. original Japanese, it's largely the same.
>>739188778DGS doesn't have an un-dub, it had a straight fan translation without any localization. It ended up being sleep-inducing.Prosecutor's Path is just as localized as any official translation. The team was trying to make it sound as close to an official Ace Attorney translation as possible.
>>739191023Yea then the question stays. Is there even an AA un-dub? I'd like to replay PW trilogy with it.
>>739177495Yes but it's a Capcom product so there will be a 24/7 general up at all times.
>>739191101There's no patches that change the script. Just for the voice clipshttps://gbatemp.net/threads/release-undub-of-every-ace-attorney-title-on-the-nintendo-ds.587657/An "undub" or "unlocalized" patch for the series would likely be inferior to the official English translations anyway. The official translations are great, it wasn't a 4kids-tier butchered alteration. An "unlocalized" patch would just result in >Swapping LA for Tokyo in a tiny amount of text boxes>Changing English names to Japanese, resulting in their original JP pun joke names being lost on the reader>Changing English-language jokes to stilts attempts at conveying the original Japanese-language jokes in the script.Would the English versions be better off if it was set in Japan as intended and Maya was craving raman instead of hamburgers? Yeah. Does it make that much of a difference? Not really. The Maya hamburger thing is honestly the most "4kids-y" change they ever made, and it's meme at this point. It's not like they changed the Raman shop salesman in 4-2, or the Japanese Rakugo play case in 6-4. The important shit is well executed and left alone.You can see the difference in quality between the fan translation of TGAA and the official English version, the latter is just higher quality with way more polish.
>>739192003*stilted
>>739192003>There's no patches that change the script. Just for the voice clipsThat's a fuckin shame. The one-word voice clips aren't really the issue.> The official translations are greatPassable at best. I mean, it's not straight fanfiction like most localizations, usually.Though I'd like to see how you would convey the original character quirks/speech patterns without an attempt to "localize". For instance Harumi/Pearl is supposed to speak very politely, that didn't come up much in the english version.
>>739192003Alternatively the name translations in AAI2 are just of a higher overall quality not only related to name jokes, but also more in line with what they were in japanese.I will agree that the fan translation of TGAA is dreadful with that said, having experienced it myself as my first experience with TGAA was not a good first impression.
>>739192250The official translations aren't flawless, but they're better than you're giving them credit for. English Pearl is still conveyed as being a polite child, even if they couldn't or didn't adapt specific speech quirks from her Japanese script. I don't speak Japanese, so maybe JP Pearl has more significant differences than the English version. But I know the politeness level and honorifics in Japanese linguistics don't translate 1-1 into other languages. Some localization naturally needs to occur to convey the original intent of the writing.An ideal "unlocalized" script would probably look like:>changing the setting back to Tokyo>keeping the English pun names (and reworking the ones that diverged significantly from the intent of the JP name) >minor script adjustments in any other places where unnecessary creative liberties were takenI don't see the benefit of changing the names. It would just result in the jokes being lost on English readers, less of the original meaning being conveyed. Same with the Japanese-centric language and cultural script jokes that were localized into English equivalents. It's not like TGAA, where Japanese setting and ethnicity is crucial to the story.The main thing is, they really didn't take that many creative liberties with the English version. The setting was changed and the jokes were localized. Past that, it's mainly minor adjustments to certain characters (e.g. the hospital director being made less creepy towards Pearl overseas, since loli jokes are more taboo in the Wes whereas in Japan it's more "lol creepy old man")
>>739193681Honestly anon, idk why you feel the need to write 2k characters posts to defend the localization only because somebody said they'd like to replay PW trilogy in a way that's more faithful to Takumi's script.
>>739181052I enjoyed it. It's odd though, it could have used an actual extra murder mystery. There's only one normal chapter. First you have a tutorial, then a real case, then you go around trying to uncover this revolutionary ring, then there's a bombastic finale which often doesn't even involve a trialIt's good though, I recommend it.
>>739195062That sounds pretty weird.Guess some devs forget the main appeal of AA. Fundamentally, it's a murder mystery game, and Takumi attempt to specifically find a cool format to translate that into vidya, since he felt like the other detective games don't quite convey the same feeling of solving the case in gameplay.
>>739177495yesits mostly fujoshitters anyways
I mean, whenever I think about how you would write an AA indie clone, my first thoughts are indeed "writing 4 or 5 cool murder mystery stories and having the defense lawyer solve it because yes" and "how can you turn additional courtroom stuff into mechanics that still contribute to the narrative and immersion, without making it feel procedural for the sake of?"Other than that, I appreciate AA's style quite a lot so you would end up with a cast of humorous characters and nothing that can take itself too seriously outside of the actual emotional/drama moments. Hell, one of the cases I thought about straight involves magical girls, sort of a parallel to spirit summoning where magic just casually exists in-universe.If only I had enough motivation and the willingness to deal with writing that stuff in a playable format from the get-go.
>>739179449There is no planet where trials of innocence is worse than abime slop or even dd. Insane ragebait tier list
>>739195059 #I enjoy the series and have read the translation dev blog posts. They're worth a read if you're a hardcore fan.I'm not against the idea of an unlocalized patch, or think the official translation are flawless. I just think it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Besides the setting and names, the script changes aren't that major. We're getting like 95% of Takumi's script, 3% changes to the jokes, and 2% unnecessary creative liberties.
>>739179449How do you have so much free time to play all these?
>>739176626So did he fuck her or not
Maya Fey in jail
>>739185590>Grow up>realize my entire standard for women is just how close they are to MayaShouldn't have played Ace Attorney as a teenager.
>>739179449Every time I look at this it gets worse, fucking christ one man shouldn't be able to have taste this shit.
>>739199817Let her out of there or I'm gonna sit down
>>739199726>They're worth a read if you're a hardcore fan.Yea it was fun. Writing the blog by making Phoenix and Maya speak at some point is a really cute idea.Though if it were me, I'd throw a meta extra episode straight into the game instead, so you even get sprites and all. But he couldn't really afford that, GBA cart space is very low. He could barely fit T&T and we all know how much he had to recycle there.As for the script, it's really just wanting to see how the man himself writes it and especially the characterization.
>>739199803No, Maya and Phoenix have a brother sister relationship.Maya probably got dicked in Napal though.>>739199871She's a childish retard so I fear for your dating history
>>739199970WOOO!!! *audience clap*
>>739199763Many of those games are 10-20 years old, even the last Zero Escape, Ace Attorney, and Daganronpa entries are decade old now. Not crazy if you just play across a decade+. That or you have a NEET phase for a year or two.
>>739190756Is anyone on /v/ streaming the 4 cases on their corresponding dates like we did for 1-3?
Speaking of Takumi blog, I'm reminded JFA lost a case because of GBA limitations.Even if supposedly it was rewritten as 3-3. JFA was going to originally feature Maggey twice, almost back to back? That would cement her as a character more central to the second game specifically, I suppose.
>>739200412We already did 4-1, sure. You can probably find the link in archives.4-2 next month.
When did you fags first play the series? 2013 for me, have posted with you retards since the launch of Dual Destinies AA threads have remained pretty comfy, regardless of current board culture.
>>7392005572012, I think I finished the DS games like a month before DD released
>>739200557On DS release, believe it or not.I have no fucking idea why I thought playing a game called "Ace Attorney" would be a good idea, the concept seemed very unique, never heard of a game where you play as a lawyer. Fully blind, literally no idea wtf to expect.Made me love the series to this day.
>>739199803I’m on it
Best trackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upOhRRYVGkA&list=PLSPeXU6BtFC9XVLqlBLfF-fYx6TW6n6TE&index=15
>>739200557I watched some videos about it around 2010 when I saw Phoenix in MvC3But the first one I played was DD in 2013
>>7392005572007, got into it around when JfA came out, but I played the first game first before it.It's also why a good chunk of my opinions are how they are, mostly oldfag but also favoring newer stuff, when you get to play almost everything as it comes out it can effect things.Like DD is overall mid but the 5 year gap made me like it more since that's how long I was waiting for a new mainline entry, meanwhile if someone were to marathon the entire series, that passage of time will be lost on them.Don't get me wrong tho, I still put DD in the lower half of the series, but my dislike for it isn't anywhere near what some others have.
You now realize the DS game was released 20 years ago.For all intents and purposes you can call yourself an oldfag, I guess.
I'm really tired of capcom's no romance policy.
>>739201306Is Pearls their worst enemy then? Eviler than her sister, she literally wants ROMANCE between the MC and the assistant.
>>739200867AA5 was generally positively received on /v/ when it came out. The long wait between mainline games definitely helped its honeymoon phase. I still like AA5, even if it has obvious issues of being too easy and investigation streamlining. The changes to the overarching plot, bringing back Phoenix and sidelining Apollo, weren't ideal either. AA5 and AA6 are better than their modern reception for sure. The filler cases are stronger and more fleshed out than most in AA1-AA3. The intricacies and logistics of murder-mysteries are very good, even if the gameplay is often too easy. I'd rather replay AA5 than AA2. The AA6 is just a great entry front-to-back. Its issues are only in jugging the messy overarching continuity.
>>739201714Pretty much yeah, the last part is why I'm pretty open to resetting things, but if so I'd want it to be an actual reset and not just what GAA did and "Here's a new setting but we're basically just going to repeat plot points and character tropes anyways"Not that GAA2 is bad mind you, it's pretty great, but you get me, I wouldn't mind a few more changes because what we've basically gotten for the most part are surface level stuff.
>>739199803No unfortunately
>>739201306This was not a problem in Great Ace Attorney
Maya pubes
>>739201306I want to see major characters get married or killed off in AA7. It's such a long running series. They should take advantage of the longevity and continuity. Especially since it's a story driven series. Treat it more like a serialized TV series.Take shit a bit more seriously. Let characters like Phoenix develop, transition into the mentor role fully. Let him get married, he's 36. AA6 developing Apollo and him staying in Khurain to start a legal practice was a good step. More changes and continuity like that. Have AA7 be an Athena game with Phoenix out of the protag role. Or do another timeskip if you wanna do something mostly new.Shit like never mentioning Gadot after AA3 is dumb. Did he die? Is he still around? If so what happened to him? He was a central character that just completely disappeared and every pretends like he didn't exist. Same with the Thalassa plot from AA4. Dumb procedural shit.
I really dont get how people can enjoy AA6. Ive tried a few different times and I just think it is kinda complete garbage
>>739202243the japanese thing of putting two microscopic black bars across the vagina and penis to "censor" it is fucking hilarious and retarded, I can never get over it
>>739202029he's really grasping that bum
>>739202237Canonically Ryunsouke has to fuck at least once.
>>739202328Americlaps made them do it
>>739200230Is there an anime of the new games?t. never played 3ds games
>>739202616No, the 3DS ones have anime cinematics
>>739202616No, it's a cutscene. 3DS games started featuring short anime intros for the episodes instead of simpler moving sprites/backgrounds.I would rrcomm you play DGS1/2 at least. And note that unlike AA games, it's a full story split in two, so expect DGS1 to be mostly build up.I think SoJ is fine, but it requires you to play what's objectively the worst game in the series first... DD is the sole reason I don't want to actually play the AJ trilogy release. Even if AJ itself isn't helping lol, tanks so hard after 4-1.
>>739201987Yeah agreed. I love TGAA but it definitely felt like Takumi was taking another stab at previous story ideas. Ryunosuke's character development and rookie journey story is stronger and more fleshed out than Phoenix's in 1-3. But something newer would've been ideal. TGAA especially feels like it's dragging since it starts from absolute ground zero, Case 1 Ryunsouke isn't even interested in becoming a lawyer. And it takes until G1-5 to be fully established with an office. Meanwhile Phoenix in AA1 establishes itself by the end of 1-2.Than stuff like the premise and villain of G2-4/G2-5 being a retread of 1-4 and 1-5. The premise of 1-4 and the villain of 1-5 are fantastic ideas, I get why Takumi would want to do them again except better. And they are better. But something new would've been better.
>>7392029595 isn't that bad. It's modern reputation is this exceptional black sheep is a retarded meme. It's better than 2 and 4 easily, way better cases and more of them.
>>739203112*as this
>>739179215I like the Will Powers testimony in JFA where you have to randomly double press shit to progress anything forward
>>739201306Is this an actual policy or just hearsay?Doesn't Leon get married or something in the newest RE game?
>>739203112>better than 2Nah. JFA did nothing wrong. >and 4Honestly AJ is worse than I remembered. Was thinking that unironically DD might be more enjoyable overall, even if it never reaches the same highs as 4-1.At least 5-2 and 5-3 are just sort of funny, unlike 4-2 and 4-3.
>>739203193Not even the only part where JFA does this. Feels like they just wanted to overcomplicate progression artificially, it's not exactly something that requires you to figure out anything beyond "what the game wants me to really do here?"
>>739179215TGAA strikes a better gameplay balance. Less instances of specific retarded sequencing, while not being braindead easy with its logic puzzles like AA5.The final testimony in G2-3 is probably the single toughest puzzle in the entire series. It's a fucking brilliant deduction that's incredibly tough but completely logical. A tiny detail under your nose the entire time that upends the entire premise. Fucking brilliant.Puzzles like that are what the series should strive for in its gameplay and writing.
>>739203307AJ isn't as bad as I remembered it being but I still can't in good faith put it anywhere above "somewhere in the middle" Because it peaks early, 4-2 is pretty fine and fun, then the last two cases are just not fun to play from either being terribly set up (4-3) or way too handholding and ending on an anti climax against a man that never had a chance to evade the law from a legal system rigged against him (4-4)5 generally has more memorable characters than 4 but again that's mostly due to "alright we'll just recycle the same character tropes, but not give them as much development because it's rushed and phoenix is the main focus" It doesn't even work as a good stand alone game because you have zero reason to like or care about Phoenix if you don't know who he was previously.
>>739202409Okay why are they STILL doing it? We here in America would prefer it not happen.
I always get confused when I think back on AJ and I remember a not in-significant chunk of the MASON system is dedicated to Mike Meekins being retarded 7 fucking years ago. Meanwhile Apollo gets barely an hour of the final day
>>739203307>2-1Dogshit filler opening. Worse owning case in the entire series. Also short.>2-2Good filler case>2-3Dogshit filler case>2-4Elder God tier finale case>5-1Good opening case. Longer and more in-depth than most. Actually ties into the game's overarching plot>5-2Good filler case>5-3Good filler case>5-DLCGreat filler case>5-4/5-5Great finale case.AA5 is stronger overall, even with its issues. Just more cases, and cases that are better on average.
>>739184613Franziska was pretty cunning in 2-2 A shame the writer gave up on her for most of the other cases she has been in.
>>739203651I feel bad being unable to remember what was G2-3 finale about. But I remember that for some reason I found G2-2 to be much more challenging.That said, yeah I don't remember TGAA blatantly trying to wall progression with obtuse sequencing.
>>739202959Don't take me wrong, I would play them all if I could
>The two best AA games don't involve PhoenixWhat did they mean by this?
>>739203924>He didn’t like Acro’s caseShit taste, opinion discarded
>>739203924>Good filler case>Introducing Pearl and Morgan are filler
>>739203924I kinda like short intro cases. They really don't need to be longer than 3-1.But that said, yea 2-1 is a weak intro and kinda dumb, at least it's short and has Maggey.2-2 is not a filler case what the hell are you smoking. It's a setup for both JFA itself and T&T eventually.2-3 is overhated, though certainly the worst third ep in PW trilogy(immediately "beaten" by 4-3 though, what the fuck was that?)5-1 is weird as an opening but alright.5-2 and 5-3 are kinda mediocre but funny at least.5-DLC is fine5-4 and 5-5 I would need to replay, but iirc they only really have one good moment involving Athena's mother death. The rest ain't exactly my thing.
>>739203954G2-3's final puzzle is you have to realize Asman's blood is flowing downward on his shirt. Therefore Sithe couldn't have stabbed his lying down corpse. Therefore he was stabbed while standing up. Therefore he was alive after the Fall. Therefore Sithe actually murdered him.It's brilliant because the photo is given to you at the start of the case. And the only gameplay hint given is Ryunosuke's vague feeling Sithe is lying, and Susato telling you to reevaluate the all evidence. Even Drebber thought he murdered Asman with the fall, it's kino. It's also the first time Prelude to the Pursuit plays.
>>739204523And Franny, and locks, and the whole Fey branch family plot, establishing more relationships with the main characters (Maya, and Mia too) that turn out to be relevant all the way to T&T.Basically the only real filler element is the stuff involving Mimi and the doctor.
>>7392039242-3 is great. This decades old reddit-tier meme of it as the worst case needs to die.I agree AA5 is stronger than AA2. Both are weaker entries still.
>>739204852Saying 2-2 is a filler case is like saying 6-3 is a filler case. Or any case in AAI2 and GAA1/2.
>>739205448G1-4 and G2-1 are filler. Arguably G2-2 too. The modern games definitely do a better job at relating each case to the overarching plot.
>>739204843Genuinely cannot remember if I figured that one out easily or only after enough mistakes. But I don't remember getting stuck in G2-3 so yea. I wasted more time trying to figure out how pipes and gas work in G2-2.Though I certainly remember the bloodstain now that you bring it up, as soon I saw the pic.And yea that's the the best way you write mystery stuff. Have the hint right in your face all the time, have some attention brought to it even, just don't say exactly what it means until the end.
>>7392039242-2 is worse than 2-3.5-2 is a not a good case.DD has better writing but the nerfed exploration sections are genuinely atrocious and make me never want to replay it.
>>739202243I will now sex your mystic
