I know I'm about a year late to the party here but CO Expedition 33 is the kind of game that reminds me why I fell in love with games in the first place. It blends breathtaking art direction, haunting music, emotional storytelling, and deeply satisfying combat and exploration into something unforgettable. Every character feels human, every moment carries weight, and the world is filled with mystery, beauty, and a quiet inevitable sadness that only the baguettes can really deliver.It’s ambitious without losing heart which is like finding a fully cut diamond in the pile of shit that is the western video game industry. Can't believe I slept on this shit as long as I did.If you read this: thank you to that one Anon who convinced me to buy this.
>>739180485Glad you liked it. It's nice when Europe gets a home run like this.
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>>739180485>QTE>deeply satisfying combat
>>739180485>breathtaking art direction
>>739180579i can't find any of this in the archivehaving a schitzo moment?
>>739180485Maybe on Planet Retard
I skipped ALL the cutscenes so I am an authority on strictly the gameplay without all the "emotional" faggotry. I dont know what the story even is.its a 6/10 game, just slightly better than the last nine final fantasy sloppers.
>>739180485I got memed into playing this on gamepass and it was boring ugly garbage with a generic uninteresting story and characters. I genuinely think you need an IQ below 115 to like this game. It's peak midwitcore
>>739180485you fell in love with movies
>>739180708Perhaps you should go back to it?
>>739180485it was meyou're welcome anon
>>739180626Yes.
>post pretentious praise for the 335th time>antis instantly chimping out for the 335th time
>>739180485it's nice that you enjoyed itsadly /v/ has a lot of indians who can't into white art
One of my favorite copy-pastas, never gets old.
>>739180485I like how it also makes the majority of /v/ sethee, it's just the gift that keeps on giving
>>739180485It's the quintessential white man's game. I haven't seen a single non-brownie who hates it.
>>739180485Glad you enjoyed it, the only game that comes close to the passion and soul is Starfield.
>>739180726can you also review mixtape
amazing how mad retards still are about this game
>>739180485There is some sort of clinch reaction that a certain element of this board has to good games that sell well and it was never clearer than with E33. Most individuals love it, but specific sub-groups don't.
>>739180626Randomized AI generation is art for faggots. Specially if there's a fat faggot in it.
>>739182798>good games that sell well >good games>good >E33 It's a shitty Unreal Engine 5 asset flip. They even admitted using AI (which was kinda obvious). Everything about that game is shit. It gets praised because it's masonic-themed and talks about the demiurge or whatever gnostic story. Shit game. And you have shit taste, implying you're not a shill.
>>739180485Parryslop
I cant believe people praise the music in this game. I burst out laughing every serious scene when the totally not promise from silent hill 2 started playing.
>>739180485E33 fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever.The story for this game isn't even good. The first 2 acts are a generic save the world plotline, while the final act is a failed allegory for escapism.The escapism is bad message doesn't work because lumiere is basically a real dimension with real thinking people. At best you could argue the game keeps it ambiguous, but clearly it implies that the people of lumiere are real.Not to mention that using the paintings is objectively beneficial due to time dilation. You can use them to effectively extend your life.Either way, lumiere doesn't work as an escapism allegory and has no grounding in reality.The ending is also a bit of an artificial dichotomy created for the sake of melodrama.The gameplay of the game is also highly derivativeAll in all, you fags are retards impressed by shallow aestheticsThe story is not mature, and it's nowhere near a 10
>>739183593>anime blobslop pic>shit opinioneverytime
>>739183658>E33 fag>No argumentEvery time.
>>739183724>it's bad because it's badnice argument low IQ thirdie
>>739180485Thanks for the ad, grok
E33's most prestigious award...
>AIIEEEEEE EVERYONE I KNEW IS DEAD NOOOOO I AM GOING TO LE KILL MYSELF AU REVOIR CRUEL WORLD>haha is that a bunch of wacky paintbrush people? lol super>NNNGHHHAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH FUCKING PAINTRESS LA VIE N'A PAS DE SENS *shoots self*>*parries bullet*>PUTAIN
>>739180485based
>>739183996>CHING CHONG PING LING OH ONIICHAN>haha is that le evil Christian God?>ONIICHAAAAN KAWAYYYY OOOOIII>*conjures bionicle sword*>B-BAKA
>>739184167I wss trying really hard to remember when this happens in E33 until I realized you're just mocking JRPGsI don't know what this says about E33
>>739184328Name 3 games that have a good and totally non cringe story
>>739184328>I don't know what this says about E33It's a """J"""RPG for people that hate JRPGs
>>739184547LISA the Painful RPGOuter WildsLoli molester 3: Pantsu Rippening (Deluxe Edition)
>>739184606>It's a GAME for people who HATE anime CRINGEFTFY
Renoir did nothing wrong
Why did this game get targeted by Israel for manufactured hate? This has got to be the most inorganic hate campaign I have ever seen for a game and yet either they have hundreds of people in on it or a bunch of retards fell for the Jewish manipulation into hating this game that they haven’t even played.What is it about this game that scares the Jews so much?
>>739180647Kike once again calling others schiz. >>739180783This
>>739184837They made a successful game without jewish consultants, it terrifies them, they even sent Anita Sarkeesian to photobomb some of the devs to try to ruin their reputation since they know calling them racist won't work anymore
>>739184837Have you ever wondered why non-AAA single player games get slander pieces while live service multiplayer-only shit gets astroturfed into high heavens?
Final Fantasy XIII and later SE releases unironically ruined JRPGs for me and I stopped playing them. E33 felt like playing FFVII to X again.
>>739183593>Anime pic>Great opinion
I think the actual gameplay was the worst part of the game. Parrying wasn't exactly fun.
>>739185115More fun that shitkiro
>>739184837There is no hidden conspiracy against your precious frog game. 4chins shits on every fucking game, and that includes E33. The retards overglazing it just makes contrarians hate it more.
>>739180783You never played it >>739184954Case in point samefagging Jewish mind slave lol
>>739184837Nah, it's because e33 fags are very pretentious and for a long time were pretending that the story of this game is some masterpiece.
I wholeheartedly agree and for once OP isn't a faggot, all the schitzos in the thread are
>>739185385It is a masterpiece. It's perhaps one of maybe 8 games that actually have a phe
>>739185337>daily seethe threads with the same exact bad faith arguments every single time from people who clearly haven’t played it>STOP NOTICING CHUDno
>>739185474Actually have a plot worth talking about*
>>739183850>ESL can't readKek
>>739185474No, the story is childish as fuck. See>>739183593Only midwits are impressed by it.
>>739182798>There is some sort of clinch reaction that a certain element of this board has to good games that sell wellI don't think you can dilute it entirely down to popularity. There are three core factors at play. Popularity is of course one of them. There will always be contrarians, but they are the most outspoken on /v/ of all places. You won't have as difficult a time discussing something popular on any other entertainment board on 4chan, you won't find these people on /mu/ or /tv/ in anywhere near the same numbers.Then there's the fact that the game has a decent budget. This goes hand in hand with popularity and contrarianism in a way but there are people who just cannot stand any degree of modern production value for some reason, any focus on cinematics or graphics or performance capture leaves a poor taste in their mouth and gives them flashbacks of being abused by Sony or something.Then there's the fact that the game is not Japanese. Many of those people would glaze a highly popular, high production value game if it had Capcom or Atlus printed on the cover. These people have a vehement hatred of anything produced outside of Asia for some reason. I saw a thread about Orbitals yesterday and multiple people responded saying "but the devs aren't Japanese" as if that is somehow supposed to read as a criticism in and of itself.
>>739185654>See (my faggot post)Nope, didn't read it then won't read it now, KYS troon
E33 a shit
>>739185534Well, you haven't disproven the arguments. Also journos loved this game. If anything it was astroturfed.
>>739185731You a dalit
>>739185706Yeah, because you're a midwit manchild. That's why you enjoy this childish game so much.
>>739185732>disprove my intentionally bad faith arguments You lost and got raped by E33’s success lol
>>739183593You clearly didn't understand the writing if this is your take. The entire point of Renoir and Aline being stuck in the painting is that, BECAUSE OF THE TIME DILATION, they've aged 60 years. They've wasted all of their time in the painting, which is just a few weeks in the real world, arguing. Even the most basic, clearly spelled out plot details, went completely over your empty head. Retard
>>739185817>Bad faithHow are they bad faith?
>>739185654>>739185804Name me a game you think has a mature story
>>739185654See >>739185857Retard
>>739185861>AI GAME AI GAME SHIT STORY ONLY FOR MIDWITS>doesn’t provide any proper criticism besides saying it’s bad because it’s bad. No examples, no evidence>HOW IS IT BAD FAITH?(You)
>>739185918your posting style reeks of curry pretending to be japanese
>>739185861You have no arguments besides calling people midwits you stupid cunt
>>739186069Your posting reeks of a fat mutt American retard
>>739185857>BECAUSE OF THE TIME DILATION, they've aged 60 years.No, that doesn't even make sense. The mother should be a granny at this point in that case, but she isn't. Assuming that she had kids when she was fairly young. The time dilation happens inside the painting, not outside. Their bodies are still outside, you retard. They age normally in the physical sense.Kek, these are the manchildren that glaze e33.
Rebirth was better desu
>>739186075>>739185983I already posted my argument here>>739183593
>>739186217No one is reading your garbage rhasheed
>>739186284Yeah, because you are an ESL with no arguments, kek. E33 is a childish game.
>>739180594>>QTEShow me one time where QTE is in game
>>739180485Only bright spot in 2 years. What have you bern playing?
>>739186217>it’s not escapism because….. you can stay in there longer than people are normally able to! That’s the literal exact reason it’s escapism you autistic mindslave. It lets you stay in there forever becoming so numb and used to it you don’t even recognize that you’re in a painting anymore like Aline thinking she imagined verso’s death for a second >ending is an artificial dichotomy You don’t know what that means and it shows
>>739183124[mechanic]slop sure sucks! I'm smart!
>>739186347American born pajeet?that just proves the problem is your DNA
>>739183967That's the most retarded list ever. Claire was .over, Dragons Dogma 2 was pure shilling.
>>739186347Again, tell me a story that you think is mature.
>>739186352Nta but you haven't played the game if you think this. Lune's spells often require qtes as an example
>>739186458Most recent God of War
>>739186483No they don't, you can cast anything without QTE, QTE's only grant bonus effects.Again, you didn't play the game you dalit
>>739180485Based. E33 is the Cowboy Bebop of JRPGs. A gem in a sea of absolute slop and cringe
>>739186149What the fuck are you even talking about.Jesus Christ, yeah I'll actually pretend you're not a subhuman for a moment:>No, that doesn't even make sense. The mother should be a granny at this point in that case, but she isn't. Assuming that she had kids when she was fairly young.The time dilation happens inside the painting, not outsideAline is absolutely a granny and this post proves you HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED the game, let alone played and internalized it. The entire situation and reason for THE ENTIRE MORAL DILEMMA, is that Aline will use the painting until she dies of old age inside of the painting. This is why Renoir wants to get out, get Alicia out, and burn the fucking thing completely. >Their bodies are still outside, you retard. They age normally in the physical sense.No they aren't. No they don't. They may live longer than normal people, and they may be able to use chroma to extend their lives within the painting, but you are still wrong and arguing in bad faith. IF you had played the game, you'd know all this, but you're just a stupid fucking cunt shitposting because you have nothing better of value to do in your life than argue about a game that was popular last year that you didn't even play. Here's your unaged MILF by the way you fucking retard
>>739186529>WE MUST BE BETTER MEN AND LET OTHERS FUCK OUR WIVES>mature kek anti-e33 fags are pathetic
>>739186529Holy shit I knew you were baiting but this is bad
>>739186397>That’s the literal exact reason it’s escapismEscapism in real life is not objectively beneficial in this extreme way. It's literally a good thing to use the painting since you can use it to extend your life. >you don’t even recognize that you’re in a painting anymoreDoesn't happen if you aren't delusional. Renoir and maelle both seem unaffected.>Aline thinking she imagined verso’s death for a secondI don't recall this in the game. And it was only for a second as you say after 50+ years. >You don’t know what that means and it showsYou are a midwit and it shows. What I mean it's that Renoir could have easily thrown the painting to the bottom of the ocean where Aline couldn't access it. The final dilemma felt artificially created for the sake of melodrama.
>>739186616>Cowboy Bebop>a gemyou must be atleast 18 years old to post here
>>739186616>[astroturfed FOTM garbage] is the [overrated weebshit trash] of [non-game genre with no gameplay]
>>739186458>>739186663This is not me>>739186529I don't really use the term mature to describe stories. I only use the term childish because that's more definable.
>>739186352attack QTE promptjump promptgradient counter promptdodge/parry is pseudo QTEs too
>>739186748>I don’t recall this in the game>”did I imagine the fire”>escapism isn’t objectively beneficialThis is literally false. You just made up that arbitrary definition. You are indeed a midwit. No more (You)
>>739186765found the typical /v/ npc who enters game threads in genres he doesn't even like to seethe just because he thinks that's what you're supposed to do because of r/4chan
>>739186748>It's literally a good thing to use the painting since you can use it to extend your life.It doesn't >Doesn't happen if you aren't delusional. Renoir and maelle both seem unaffected.We don't know anything about the psychology of Renoir other than he is absolutely 100% cool with slowly genociding sentient people in order to escape. Pretending that Maelle isn't delusional is completely fucking retarded and bad faith. >I don't recall this in the game. And it was only for a second as you say after 50+ yearsWell you clearly didn't play it so >What I mean it's that Renoir could have easily thrown the painting to the bottom of the ocean where Aline couldn't access it.And thrown his daughter into the bottom of the ocean? You don't think very hard about most things, do you?
>>739186841>gets clowned on>i-it isn’t me I don’t find anything mature everything is childish I am very smart and coolRight, seethe harder cuckold lmao
>>739186841Alright so what is a game with a not childish story
>>739186748>and maelle both seem unaffectedYou mean Alicia, who couldn't control her entry into the painting and got reborn inside of it, living 16 years as a completely different person named Maelle? That unaffected Maelle? She would continue being Maelle if Mom didn't get booted from it.
>>739183593Look at all the mad faggots anon, you did that. Well done.
>>739185983UE5Art direction has no... direction? Clearly store-bought assets slapped together with no sense of unity. That's one typical trait of AI, it has no SOVL.Why would I waste time with such an unappealing game, and why should I waste time explaining to some retard online why a piece of shit on the floor is unappealing? If you can't recognize bad games, then I guess that's it--the industry is definitely cooked (with the exception of GTA 6 and Fromsoftware, who, you know... don't use AI and actually create games that make your jaw drop from their stylistic choices alone and heart put into them... something your French asset-flip will never achieve outside of your goy NPC brain).And for the story. Spend a single day on /pol/ or /x/ and you'll instantly recognize that shit masonic rhetoric. Especially if you're not a low IQ retard and can actually recognize French words. Clair=light (adjective) Obscur=dark Lumière=light (noun). All the usually crap used in other masonic titles like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.If you want to know the truth about who your shit title really is about, do NOT google "who is the lightbringer".
>>739186865>pressing buttons to play a game is a QTE now
>>739186748Holy fuck at least pretend to know what you are talking about you utterly braindead mindslave LMAOOOOO
>>739186626>No they aren't. No they don't.They literally are outside. We see this when we play as Alicia. And Alicia enters the painting while they have already been in there for a while. She still looks like a teenager at that point, and she's not an adult when she leaves the painting either. If as much time has passed as you claim, Alicia should be an adult. But she still looks like a kid, no change in height or weight.
>>739180485I'm convinced people pretending this game has good gameplay or a well written story is just an elaborate meme. Everything about it is just utterly mediocre
>>739186875You are the biggest newfaggot here, who the fuck are you bitch boy?
Does E33 have the most Dunning-Kruger fanbase ever? I've never seen so many stupid people try to convince themselves of their own intelligence.
>>739186865>attack QTE promptOptional and disablable>jump promptThat's not a QTE. That's like saying needing to jump over an enemy in Bing Bing wahoo is a QTE.>gradient counter promptSee above >dodge/parry is pseudo QTEs tooSee above
People look for any reason to hate something that is obviously good and that everyone likesE33 is genuinely one of the best games ever made, and people want to shit on that for some reason
>>739184167>*conjures bionicle sword*
>>739187073>other masonic titles like Star Wars or Lord of the RingsSW I get (Darth Vader = evil Jesus), but LOTR?
>>739180485The average weebshit JRPG has a better story than E33 simply because those types of games are aware they're garbage, and don't try to present their generic midwit writing as a serious philosophical discussion
>>739187154>>739187242>gets BTFO and outs himself as a fag who clearly didn’t play the game>start samefagging to save face lol
>>739187073>And for the story. Spend a single day on /pol/You are a low IQ retard
>>739187154tell me your favourite games and i will point out how mediocre the gameplay is and the story too
>>739187094Because Alicia is unique in that she was reborn into a new body, became a body, and aged 16 years. This ALONE proves you wrong and shows you did not play the game.
>>739186873Either way, it took over 50 years for that to happen. >It doesn'tIt does. She was there for over 100 years. You can check online if you don't believe me. >And thrown his daughter into the bottom of the ocean?There was a time when maelle wasn't in there. He hid the painting before hand, as well. Either way, he could have mentioned doing this to maelle or atleast he didn't need to genocide everyone.
>>739186748>I don’t recall this in the gameAline during the paintress fight is questioning if she imagined the fire that killed Verso and seems to believe that the painted one comforting her is the real one. You didn’t play the game if you somehow missed these obvious points
>>739187428Witcher 3
>>739186956Kek, you're the only ones seething here. >>739187013Dune
>>739180626>Zoomer doesn't know what an overworld map is
>>739187489.............i concede, that's an actual 10/10 game.
I only played the first act but I did not like the writing in this game at all. It feels generic and empty. I'm not talking about the plot but the behavior and interactions between characters. No one feels human. They all behave as you would expect a generic character to behave in a movie for the sake of drama and emotional punchlines, nothing about it feels authentic.
>>739187026>You mean Alicia, who couldn't control her entry into the paintingWtf are you talking about. We see her original form in the early game. The fusion happens later.
>>739180485I love that the game is turn-based, but I don't like the depressive European art style and the characters are not that attractive, so I won't buy/play it. I watched the story on Youtube though.
>>739187534>I’m not mad I’m actually laughing I guess you really are being a better man LMAOO
You'd think Ramesh and Zhang would realize by now that this game is a litmus test for whiteness, so posting asshurt things just outs them as nonwhite third worlders who can't even drink a glass of milk.
>>739187450No? The others are still outside. And Alicia's body has not changed in the ending either, proving that she was not actually inside the painting. Kek, you're a moron.
>have YOU heard of the next BLOCKBUSTER NUT IN YOUR ASS """""Indie"""" """Game"""???>ALL THE AI slop your ass can take!!>With cum LOADS of assets already made from the fucking UE marketplace.>Featuring Charlie Sux Cox from the DevilDare May Cry like a Blind Faggot©® series!!!>Walking forward, dialogue, fight. So Deep like your boyfriends dick in your ass.>muh Dark Souls painted world and Dark Souls 3 painted world copy because French are too busy butt fucking each other to be original. Why yes, that game.
>>739187464Sure, but Aline was in there for over a hundred years. Remember that she was also there prefracture. If you stay for a smaller time period, and you aren't stricken by grief, you'll be fine.
>>739187561You’ve made this exact post before and it was already proven wrong you deranged freak. Who supplies you with these arguments that clearly have no basis in reality?The game is known for its organic dialogue, play the game and you would know
>>739187617That wasn't me, retard.
>>739183593if you and a copy of E33 were dangling on the side of a cliff, i would save E33 first.
>>739187585Are you retarded? You claim that Maelle is "unaffected" and can recognize that she is in the painting.When her first entry into the painting as Alicia prompted her to get swarmed by chroma, lose control, and get reborn inside of the painting, completely forgetting that she was in it. She is literally the most mentally affected person by the painting. The entire point of the ending that the line is so blurred for her it might as well not matter what is real. Did you forget the point you were trying to make in the first place?
>>739187092>No argumentLol>>739187838Keep seething.
>>739187748>that didn’t happen>ok fine it did but it only happened to one characterJust stop dude, you lost already
>Artfag AI Slop 33 is the kind of game that reminds me why I fell in love with games in the first placedon't even consider suicidejust do it
>>739183593Frogfags did NOT like this TRVKE...
>>739187534Dune Awakening? Story isn't even done and its objectively shittier than the main timeline.
>>739180485E33 is basically the Apple TV Originals of videogames
>>739187694Genuinely some of the cringiest, Leddit-tier shit I've seen posted here in years. You're trying WAY too hard, Pajeet.
>>739187454>posting AI phone screenshotListen dumbfuck I know critical thinking is hard for you. >there was a time maelle wasnt in the painting Yes, when Aline was. Who he wanted out of the painting. Which is the whole point. Of the game. That you did not play. Shut the fuck up faggot
>>739187863>make multiple points clearly showing that you didn’t play the game because you missed blatant sky is blue level points >get called a retard who doesn’t know what he’s talking about>n-no argument!Cry harder. E33 raped your mind beyond repair
>>739187916where was the truth? sounded like seetheSLOP to me.
>>739187859>When her first entry into the painting as Alicia prompted her to get swarmed by chromaExcept that we see her normal form in an earlier act as well. The fusion did not happen immediately. Also Alicia is a unique case because there was already someone like her in the painting. This doesn't disprove the idea that the painting is beneficial. And she did not change in the ending either. She still didn't have her eye and still had her scars.
>>739180485You're talking like one of those redditors who thinks rdr2 is the peak of video game
>>739187775That was my first post in the thread, take your meds.Also, you sound very defensive about the game, which tells me you are young and don't know any better as far as writing goes.
>>739187875People can also go insane in real life. It could be a case of aline just being delusional. Renoir wasn't effected. So the painting seems safe as long as you yourself are stable. Keep coping fag. It's very beneficial.
>>739180579jeeted the thread again award
>>739188006>Except that we see her normal form in an earlier act as well. The fusion did not happen immediately.are you referring to painted alicia? because then you might be retarded
>>739180485Its alright Most people are braindead goycattle and there's nothing wrong in eating shit if you're one
>>739188098This retard doesn't even know the difference between effect and affect and everyone keeps engaging with him
>>739188090>in the threadYa I know you mindslave retard. You fell for Jewish propaganda to hate on this game and are using their supplied bad faith arguments over and over. I’m sorry you’re retarded
>>739187942>E33 is the first season of SeveranceYea, it's pretty good.
>>739188006>we see her normal form in an earlier act Where?>>739188098>Drugs are good as long as you don’t overuse themKek, you’re a retard
>>739188006>Except that we see her normal form in an earlier act as wellNo. We don't. This entire scene is a flashback before Alicia ever enters that painting for the first time. Before she gets reborn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ty0uVGDPCwPic related is not her. This is Aline's creation. The first time she enters the painting Aline forgets who she is. Saying she is unaffected by it is literally the most idiotic statement possible. The who conflict of the ending is that she is the MOST affected by the blurred reality of Cope Canvas.
>>739188224kek
>>739188417>painting Aline forgets who she is.Alicia I mean. Jesus Christ, Bob and Bobert Jr. tier names.
>>739185857What the fuck man. So you think Renoir and Aline are how old at the end of the game, 130? Let's say they're 20 when they have Verso, he lives til I guess 25, Renoir is inside for 67 years, Aline possibly longer, that makes them 112 at the bare minimum. That would also mean that Alicia is literally physically twice the age at the end that she was when she entered the canvas yet she looks identical.You raise an interesting idea that the time dilation may have an outward effect on the painters physical aging, Renoir and Aline especially do look kind of old come to think of it, unless they had their first kid at 30 and had several more after that. But not to the extent where they literally age in canvas years. That's absurd.
>>739188161He is a retard who didn't play the game obviously if you read the thread
>>739180485Just wait until you play your 2nd videogame. You're gonna lose your mind
>>739188006Again. At least TRY to pretend you know what you are talking about. You’re basically arguing that the sky is green at this point
>>739187972So then why was alicia still disfigured in the ending and hadn't aged either? Aline was in there for atleast more than 67 years. >>739187985Nah, none of you fags have disproven me
>>739188259I literally just played the game and never discussed it before on /v/ or anywhere online. You're projecting and fighting ghosts because criticism of the game puts you on the edge, to the point you can't engage with it without being overly defensive. I suggest you chill out and stop behaving like such a faggot, anon. For your own good.
>>739180485I legitimately like the game and beat it soon after it came out. However..>breathtaking art directionIt looks washed out with some shitty textures for no reason. I blame mostly the engine because its Unreal but also the devs clearly didn't bother modifying it to their liking or to suit their vision more. I guess they didn't have the skills required. It's pretty don't get me wrong but it could've been gorgeous>haunting musicyes, though it made me want to kill myself at the desert island with the marionettes it was looping way too much until I finished the level >emotional storytellingFor the most part. Some parts of the story are quite hard to follow or take seriously. Overall 8/10>and deeply satisfying combatIt's turned based with a QTE gimmick to parry or dodge, hardly "deeply satisfying" unless you're a jarpig faggot>and explorationWould've been better if the overworld didn't look so washed out as I said earlier. Theres also not much to "explore" you just have the option to visit optional levels that take you out of the overworld. Exploring also hardly ever rewards with anything more than resources you can have tons of.>Every character feels humanSciel is either autistic, or written by an autist or has severe depression because she has the personality of a sad bowl of curry. The rest are fine, best character BY FAR is Monoco>every moment carries weightYeah mostly>and the world is filled with mystery, beauty, and a quiet inevitable sadness that only the baguettes can really deliver.until you realize theres no point in exploring and that you can beeline to beating the game.
>>739188559>no one has disproven meMultiple people did and you ignored them like I expected. You lost and got raped :)
>>739188482These are fucking wizards who create universes inside of canvases. They aren't normal people. They clearly have some longitivity to their life span, and could live longer than normal people. Look at Painted Renoir (who is Aline's immortal creation of her memory of Renoir) and then look at the real Renoir in act 3. He's clearly much older. To say they are completely unaffected by the painting is completely wrong. There MAY be some benefits, and they can assuredly utilize Chroma to extend their longevity (otherwise Renoir would've died of starvation long ago).
If you hate this game, you are brown. Simple as.
I thought this was a bait post but he kept posting in such a way that I think he thinks it's real so I'll correct some things.>The escapism is bad message doesn't work because lumiere is basically a real dimension with real thinking people.It is a real dimension with real thinking people. Those people just happenstance are "lesser" beings than the gods and their drama. That's what makes it interesting. >Not to mention that using the paintings is objectively beneficial due to time dilation. You can use them to effectively extend your life.staying in a painting too long kills you. it's unclear exactly how this happens (starvation? mana drain?) but that's the whole reason Maelle goes in to begin with. to get her parents out cause they've been in long enough that people need to start being concerned.>The ending is also a bit of an artificial dichotomy created for the sake of melodrama.I mean if people could be reasonable they could just let the painting be and come in to visit from time to time. But we know all 4 people involved can't be reasonable. They have their own motives and experiences that have pushed them to extreme where they're unwilling to back down.
concession accepted
>>739188161>>739188330>>739188417>>739188542If the painters aged in the real world and there is no time dilation, how come alicia is the same in the ending as she was when we first played her in the real world. She's still disfigured and seems to be the same age. It's clear that there is time dilation. Also, aline and Renoir are clearly not in their 80s like they need to be.
>>739188694>To say they are completely unaffected by the painting is completely wrong.The fact that he believes otherwise is just meta-commentary at this point.
>>739180579A chinese bot farm does nothing but make threads about their european belt & road astorturfs. They lost so much money on both games.
>>739181965No, I can't rewind the cassette.
>>739188674Nah. Alicia is unchanged in the ending. There is time dilation.
>>739187951I know facetious sarcasm is hard for autistic people, you will get there, anon.
>>739188754Do you think people have been arguing that there isn’t some time shit going on? It is literally established that there is. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t escapism you braindead fuck
>>739180485E33 really does have a generic anime story but because the music sounds sad and the actors all whisper their lines retards find it thought provoking
>>739180485It's quite good, yes. Don't let demoralization shills try to convince you it's bad.
>>739188694>Look at Painted Renoir (who is Aline's immortal creation of her memory of Renoir) and then look at the real Renoir in act 3. He's clearly much older.That doesn't mean he aged inside the painting. It could be that painted Renoir is an idealized version of him.
>>739188796Nobody was claiming there wasn’t time dilation stupid faggot
>>739188726>staying in a painting too long kills you.Yes, but it takes a long time. Atleast 60 years. Potentially longer if online sources are correct. So you can still use it to get many extra decades in your life.
>>739188908He is literally not an idealized version of him this is stated IN THE GAME that you did not play. This is just what he looked like before he was locked in a cave for 70 years
>>739188985>Potentially longer if online sources are correctThe fact that you admit you use online sources to prove your argument shows you are a fucking faggot who hasn't played the game that you're arguing about you dumb faggot
>>739188865Yeah, one of the first people who replied to me tried to claim there isn't. The guy who started this whole chainSee>>739185857The whole point is that it's a bad allegory for escapism because of how beneficial it is. It's too different from real life.
>>739188985>if there’s a drug that lets you perceive time slower but kills you, that’s a good thing!
So...who's brown again? The memes in 2026 are absolute faggotry.
>>739180485Why does every e33 thread sound like a bunch of bots talking to each other?
>>739188920FalseSee>>739185857
>>739189121Where in the post did he claim that there wasn’t time dilation. Are you genuinely seeing shit? He said there WAS time dilation. Nobody EVER claimed there wasn’t. You’re schizophrenic
The two big faults I had at launch were poor balance, and no reason to experiment. For the latter, characters have quite a few moves but because you are limited to 6 it really is "90% of the people realize what is good, and the rest are shit". Even watching people play way later on they just use the same shit as I did at launchFor balance, its just multi-faceted. You scale out the enemies if you do side content, or try to do content early like the Frost bitch right before Monaco and skyrocket up. Act 2 is where you spike for a long time and spike again right when bosses like Renoir and Paintress take more than a few turns to kill but are still easy. You are actually punished for trying to spread points across all 5 characters, it really is the A squad and the dogshit squad. Within that, you are still probably better off having THE damage dealer with 70% of all points and the other two are support/supplemental shit. Just having Verso or Maelle with hundreds more than the rest is a sure way to just blitz the game.Every character has a bullshit build but some are for sure easier to do/fall into.
>>739188985You have no idea what you're saying and I'm not sure I can reach you. >Yes, but it takes a long time. Atleast 60 years.It takes somewhere between a couple weeks to a couple months before the real body dies. If it took 60 years maelle wouldn't have to go in to begin with because nobody would be at risk.
>>739189230He literally said there is time dilation stupid fuck. Did you link the wrong post?
>>739188995Post proof. I remember verso mentioning something about them being idealized. Either way, why did alicia not change then?
>>739183593Yes the story is weak part, act 3 is shit and completely uninteresting. But the writing of the dialogue and the aesthetics and the gameplay are all very good.
>>739189295So you have no idea how time dilation works and are talking out of your ass. Do I have the correct, bitch?
>>739189230In this post he literally says there is time dilation, just you're too stupid to understand it
>SAAARI don't know why I tried to communicate with you lol.
>>739180485It’s obvious that the game was made with real love and passion. We used to get several games like that every month. It’s sad how far AAA gaming has fallen…
>>739180485I should love this game, but I don't know why I just can't>I love FFX combat style >I love souls games>I love turn based games>I love RPGs>I love games with conflictive endingsBut I just can't, this is a 6.5 out of 10 in my list
>>739183098>crying about AiSo you’re a tranny, huh?
>>739189442Hey son it's dad.You're a dumb bitchLove, Dad.
>>739189328Verso specifically says he is the only idealized. Jesus fucking Christ, Painted Alicia was painted without a face you dumb shit. All you are proving is that you didn't play the game. Attempting to explain to you why something happened isn't worth doing because you aren't interested in a conversation. You're interested in being in the right about a game you did not and will not play. Fuck off faggot
>>739180485>I know I'm about a year late to the party here but _________________ is the kind of game that reminds me why I fell in love with games in the first place. It blends breathtaking art direction, haunting music, emotional storytelling, and deeply satisfying combat and exploration into something unforgettable. Every character feels human, every moment carries weight, and the world is filled with mystery, beauty, and a quiet inevitable sadness that only the baguettes can really deliver. >>It’s ambitious without losing heart which is like finding a fully cut diamond in the pile of shit that is the video game industry. Can't believe I slept on this shit as long as I did.You can fill in the blank for just about any story game.The only difference is that popular opinion will agree with you for CO Expedition 33.Ghost of TsushimaChrono TriggerFFXVIAssassin's Creed ____Untitled Goose Game
>>739189551He doesn't have a dad that loves him anon
>>739189097I've played the game, I just don't remember every single thing. >>739189128No, this is not the same as a drug. You can literally live a regular life within the painting. >>739189257>>739189316Yeah but he claims that you age in real life despite it, which makes no sense. >It takes somewhere between a couple weeks to a couple months before the real body diesAline was in there for atleast 67. She started before expedition year zero (ie year hundred) You know the expeditions have been going on for a long time, yes? You clearly didn't play the game
>>739189587Damn anon you're right, video game discourse is pointless we should all go to /pol/
>>739180485For me, it was the overworld and how travelling evolves throughout the gameIt's your old FF/Tales formula. Start by walking in a very limited area, then to swimming and then to flying. You also need to keep track of all the secret areas or places where you would get instakilled if you were there underleveled. It's been a while since a game adopted that kind of progression
>>739188754Nigger I said nothing about time dilation. It's clearly there. Esquie describes centuries of adventures that happened in the Canvas. My point was about you saying that Maelle is mentally unaffected and can perceive reality about the painting when the whole twist about her character is that she could not and now is succumbing to the idiotic allure of coping and grieving with 100 years of Rick and Morty adventures where No One's Ever Really Gone™, nothing happens, and you are the admin. Truly, no menaces of escapism are being conveyed in the slightest. Look how happy everyone is. VERSO, I CAN'T HEAR THE PIANO
>>739189586If I didn't play the game I wouldn't know about verso. Or any plot details. Yes alicia was painted disfigured, but that's because her mom resented her. Everyone else seems fine.
>>739189678You clearly don't remember anything about the game
>>739189763Yeah but the other fags are claiming that there is no dilation.
>>739189654Or friends!
>>739189780I remember plenty. It's you fags who don't even remember the ending. Alicia wasn't aged up in the ending, and she was still disfigured. Proving that there is time dilation.
>>739185009This. Having liked FF is such a curse these days that playing good turn-based RPGs again make me reflect on how poorly that series has aged.
>>739189678>It takes somewhere between a couple weeks to a couple months before the real body diesAline was in there for atleast 67. She started before expedition year zero (ie year hundred)You know the expeditions have been going on for a long time, yes? You clearly didn't play the gameAnon... I know this is really hard for you to understand. But the time dilation that you are arguing with nobody about, is the reason their body dies in "months" in the outside world. Yes, to Aline, in the painting, it was 67 years, to Aline outside of the painting, it was a few months. If she dies of old age IN THE PAINTING, she dies outside of the painting. This is why none of them aged outside, but they did age inside. I'm pretty sure this was your whole argument to begin with, so I don't even know what you are talking about anymore.
Still no gameplay…
>>739189885Anon. We all said there is time dilation. What we are telling you is that you are too stupid to understand anything about it.
>>739189546I think trannies would prefer AI slop, since they themselves are an abomination detached from nature/beauty.
>>739189885again, nobody once argued there isn’t time dilation. Either you’re genuinely schizophrenic or you’re baiting.Either way no more replies from me. You lost
>>739189952>*parry*>*parry*>small delay>*parry*I got you, anon
>>739189920>If she dies of old age IN THE PAINTING, she dies outside of the painting.And that's my whole point. If you don't go insane like she did, you can use the painting to extend your life. Renoir could, for example. There were lots of fags trying to say that there was no time dilation
>>739190110Literally nobody in here said there is no time dilation except you after you lost every argument you presented. Glad you've conceded
>>739190110Post 1 example.No, post an actual example because the one post you keep quoting literally said there was time dilation so try again
This one would've been such a cult classic here if it went by unnoticedBut it became too popular so you can't be associated with normies anymore; the game is bad
>>739189974>>739190042See>>739186626He was literally arguing that they go inside the painting, that there bodies aren't outside.
>>739189834There is. But it's not as simple as "DUDE double the lifespan, heckin' epic" In the final Renoir fight, he shows Aline being kicked out of the painting as she stumbles around in the real world coughing and falling over. It is clearly not a freebie double life span. It takes a toll on the body. It takes a toll on the mind.>b-but if you just don't stay for 60 yearsNIGGER! The whole point of the game is that no one stays just a little. Even fucking Renoir, whose entire goal is to get everyone out of there, is now full-time in the painting, gommaging his wife's minecraft villagers.
>>739190151>>739190242See>>739190360If you agree that there is time dilation, see my original post. It's a bad allegory for escapism because you can use it to extend your life. And because it seems to have sentient people inside.
>>739190360That has nothing to do with time dilation
>>739190461There is time dilation. It doesn't extend your life. You're retarded.
It's crazy that this is all it takes nowaday for the goycattle to be happy with [new product]
>>739189920NTA but no one has any solid proof of how much time passes compared to time in the paintings. Some say weeks and other monthsIt's also not clear how a painting can kill you. They're very ambiguous abotu it. Renoir says multiple times that alicia has been there "longer than she should" (even though alicia has been there only for 16 years), but then the whole thing about obsession and addiction also comes into play and we don't really know which one is which. Also Aline was there for almost 70+ years, if not more. Maybe they can hold on for longer because they're experienced painters, or maybe not.We also know for a fact that they were both close to their limits by the end of the game. Both renoir and aline stumble and cough both inside the painting and in the outside world
>>739180783I didn't know you could play Gamepass games on the Switch too. That's very nice of Microsoft.
>>739190592This anon actually understands watchers talking about
>>739180783You need an IQ of sub 90 to subscribe to gamepass
>>739190428>is now full-time in the painting, gommaging his wife's minecraft villagers.Except that this is only because his wife refuses to leave. Sure there are risks, but if you use the paintings in a measured way they are beneficial. Also, 67 years is a lowball. Aline was also present prefracture. Esquie talks about how he went on lots of adventures with verso prefracture, so in my opinion aline was there for atleast a hundred years.
>>Their bodies are still outside, you retard. They age normally in the physical sense.>No they aren't. No they don't. Why is anyone still engaging with a troll lol.
>>739190543It does though you can spend years in the painting with only weeks passing outside. I'm not sure what the exact ratio is, but Alicia was there for 16 years. Aline for longer.
>>739190724>Except that this is only because his wife refuses to leave.Sure there are risks, but if you use the paintings in a measured way they are beneficial.Also, 67 years is a lowball. Aline was also present prefracture.This is the entire thing we have all been saying the whole time. The whole point IS that Aline is committing suicide in the painting, and she's one of the most powerful painters in the real world, during a war with other presumably powerful magical weirdos. The whole "escapism is bad" thing, is BECAUSE Aline refuses to deal with the Writer situation and has chosen to kill herself in a painting instead. Which again, is not something Renoir, Clea, or Alicia (until the end) are keen to let happen.
Nobody can ever convince me this game is only shilled as some sort of own against JRPG
Sigh. All the low IQ scum ITT praising this game and at the same time arguing about their understanding of the story fail to understand one little concept... if your shit game was any good, you wouldn't be debating on its story. If something is well-written, it moves you... it inspires you... it electrifies you.Good written stories get their message accross. Badly written AI stories that lack sensitivity make low IQ incel scum with poor video game taste debate about them for hours. No offense to incels (I am one myself), but I felt like calling these low IQ, E33-praising retards scum wasn't enough and needed a little "punch". In hindsight, I think calling E33 fans incels is an insult for incels.
>>739190878And how did that extend their lives? Their bodies are outside of the painting, retard.
>>739180485good job OP, i hope you choose the objectively GOOD Maelle ending right?
>>739190962If your game is good nobody would talk about it? That's your argument?
>>739190962>gets btfo>admits he’s a projecting incel and claims victory LOL
>>739190947Nobody aside from leftist tranny types actually like e33, it's mostly just a meme to troll jrpg fans
>>739191107I’m a straight white male and I like e33
>>739191165He's a faggot who constantly thinks about transcockDon't worry anon, we won
>>739180485I am begging you to play more games
so E33 was good and all, but what is Sandfall doing next? they cant do Expedition 33-2 with that ending
>>739186865>attack QTE promptOnly actual QTE. You can turn them off.>jump promptNot a QTE.>gradient counter prompt Not a QTE.>dodge/parry is pseudo QTEs tooNot QTEs either.
>>739191372They set up the world with wizards who create pocket dimensions and whatever the fuck the Writers can do, which is entirely up in the air. The setting is essentially as boundless as they want to make it, as long as it isn't in the same painting.
>>739191372technically they can just do another paintingor have a war in the real world between writers and painterspossibilities are infinte
>>739189290for me the balance was like this>in act 1 you are expected to hit 9999 with strong skills>in act 2 you are expected to power up enough so your multi-hit skills hit 9999 in every hit>in act 3 the limiter if off and everything goes, go nuts
>>739180485K
>>739183098>asset flipPlease learn what words mean before you use them.>They even admitted using AIDuring development, yes. None of the assets in the finished games are made with AI.
>>739190724>Except that this is only because his wife refuses to leaveAnd now his daughter refuses to leave. And then his wife will miss his daughter, and as long as Verso's painting is there, as long as his soul lingers, they will be coming back into it. >Sure there are risks, but if you use the paintings in a measured way they are beneficial.Spoken like true copium addicts named Alicia and Aline. Just a peep, Papa. Did you not understand the clear cumulative effect? The more persons stay in the painting, the more it will seem like a real thing. It is easier to cope in a last Verso creation for centuries than confront the bitter reality of him being gone outside of it. Is it easier for Aline to RP in Lumiere than to learn to live with burns and no voice? There is no "just a tip."
>>739189290The balance being blown open was actually something I liked about the game and I actually liked building all five characters. But I get how that could put off some people. It's true that you can just solo the entire fucking game with Maelle pretty much, especially if you got the medalum early
>>739190947>as some sort of own against JRPGthe devs love JRPGs and if you played the game it shows theres lots of JRPG elements mixed with their own takes in the genre
>>739180485Its really great. I was super hesitant because I dont like turn based stuff but this game made it fun. And God damn is the writing and acting so good. I loved it so much and it totally deserved goty. Wish I wanted to play it again but I'm just kinda done.
>>739180485Never too late to appreciate a good game. I played Deus Ex for the first time in 2012 and it quickly became one of my favorite games. I was wary of saying the same about e33 but after a year I still love it.
>>739191981Its a tough game to replay if you've done a ton of the side content. I think the twist was incredible but kinda pulls the curtain from the mystery of it all
It is a very good game, though the plot is a less powerful copy of Nier Replicant
>>739180485I don't trust any game that gets shilled this hard, especially on here.
>>739190929Sure, but maelle was also seeking to escape from her life, not just aline. My point is that it doesn't work well as an escapism allegory because of the benefits, plus the fact that it has real people in it. If you do anything for too long / too much, it can be harmful. So that on it's own isn't good commentary on escapism. >>739190987They were able to experience many years of life within the painting. >>739191087Keep coping fag, my main points still stand. Also that wasn't me.
>>739188646>or has severe depression>32 achievementsanon did you miss the optional dialogue where she goes into detail how she tried to kill herself while pregnant and that she will still be depressed if they bring her dead husband back because she will have to explain about how she killed their baby?also best character is verso for complexity
>>739191082If a game is good, then it means it has--among other things--good writing. If every thread of E33 here (or anywhere else) consistently ends in people debating about their understanding of the story (pay attention to the word "understanding", because people are not debating the story itself since they don't even know what it is exactly), then I'm afraid the game is poorly written and bad.
>>739192257T. Marathon lover
>>739192257i would agree 95% of the timee33 is actually good if you want a nice spin on the 3 niggas in a line genre
>>739192308Again, there are no known benefits to the painting, OTHER than escapism. I mean, assuredly there is some application of painting outside of the canvas, but the entire point is that they become gods of this universe that they can exploit at will. AND it clearly causes physical problems, including the possibility of death. Yes. They were able to experience years within the painting. But this comes at the cost of their physical health outside of the painting, again, including the possibility of death. To your last point, no, none of your main points stand, we've all meticulously deconstructed every argument you've tried to pull. You even started claiming that people said there was no time dilation, which is literally not true. Faggot
The story is very unoriginal.
>>739192357So because people are too stupid to understand it, it isn't good? What are some games with good stories?
>>739191714It all depends on how long the painters actually live naturally. Assuming that they live normal lifespans, aline has already lived the equivalent of 2 lifespans. If I could do that, I would. Even if there were risks involved. It would be stupid to not use the paintings atleast a little bit.Are you telling me that you wouldn't use the paintings to go on vacations? And also extend your life by decades at the same time?If Renoir can keep a grip, it's possible.
>>739192308No one is saying that aline and alicia need to quit painting forever. Their problem is that they're killing themselves in one canvas to avoid facing the reality of their lives.
>>739192152Idk if there's a twist. But there's a bunch of reveals that are amazing and reframe how you see so much of the game.
You are not allowed to have this opinion.
>>739192637Anon nobody is arguing that the paintings are bad. Clearly they have powerful magic that can, will, and should be used. The problem is how Aline specifically is using the painting, and how it is selfish and dangerous. Motorcycles are not bad. They're cool, fast, and fun. But if you crash straight into a school bus and die, that person probably used the motorcycle incorrectly.
>>739192635When someone says something really stupid, you should ignore it. Did you read that post and expect its poster to come to some type of rational epiphany if only you would correct him?
>>739192308>plus the fact that it has real people in it.>real people is when you can will those real people in and out of existence>real is world is when you are in a creative mode and never have to ageNo. Nothing about the painting is real to anyone outside of it. It's a resort. A game. A wonder.The only real thing there aside from people who enter it is the last remaining vestige of Verso's soul. >If you do anything for too long / too much, it can be harmful. >So that on it's own isn't good commentary on escapism.That is the commentary. Video games are fun. Sapping your health onto them for no benefit but a delay of thinking of real problems is the escapism.
>>739192539>But this comes at the cost of their physical health outside of the paintingSo you actually have proof of this? To me it seems that it only matters if you stay too long. Otherwise it's objectively beneficial, unless something goes wrong like in the case of maelle or if you refuse to leave. Being able to extend your life isn't a small thing. >none of your main points stand, we've all meticulously deconstructed every argument you've tried to pull.False. You haven't made a good argument as to why the paintings shouldn't be used at all. >There are risks! The risks can be reduced if you are smart about it. Just like anything else in life. The only thing I was wrong about in this thread was maelle. I was confused which version was the real one. But besides that, none of my points have been defeated.
>>739192314No I didn't miss it. I just don't like her. She decided not to try and kill herself again but she constantly looks like she should. Also I don't play games for collecting achievements.
>>739191653The assets are bought from the UE5 store. The AI is used to put everything together (and it clearly shows). This is an UE5 asset-flip, whether you like it or not. When terrains, characters, effects, sounds, etc., are all taken separately from a catalogue, then the game lack direction and soul. Using AI on top of that is just the turn of the knife in the wound. You're using a shit adjacement of assets and telling a soulless machine to mix it all together. That's what you get.The devs even lied about using AI, until they got caught. Which is even more pathetic.
>>739180485Okay thanks chatgpt.
>>739192965>When terrains, characters, effects, sounds, etc., are all taken separately from a catalogue,may I see them?
I wish they kept more of Lumiere and the painted people alive until the end. I really like the split perspective you get of these people as ordinary humans outside the canvas and mythical deities inside. But that framing only really works when there are ordinary, non-godlike people beneath them. The scene at the end where Aline returns to the canvas is epic but then it rings a little hollow with everyone already erased, since at that point it's just Maelle and mommy and daddy arguing inside a painting. If they had kept Lumiere even partially alive, and their hopes and desires in tact even if they have no real agency over the result and no hope of a resistance besides Maelle, you maintain that scale and mythic framing of Aline and Renoir as these world altering deities, and it better survives the ontological flattening at the end of chapter 2.I'm not quite sure how you write it that way. The scene of everyone getting gommaged is important, it does a lot of work in showing the futility of their efforts and exposing Verso's intentions. I'm not sure how you replace that scene, or if you still have it but have Maelle hold on to everybody's chroma the way she did Lune and Sciel and prevent them from being completely erased, held in the void, I guess. But I do think the final act would have resonated better for it. It gives stakes and weight to the finale besides being told to care about this family you've just met.
It's weird to think that this game's over a year old and still has such passionate and engaged fans. Most games being talked about a year later is just sad waifu-baiting and/or shilling.
>>739192878>You haven't made a good argument as to why the paintings shouldn't be used at all.Nobody was ever arguing this. And this wasn't even the point you tried to make. You're just moving goalposts now to pretend that you're correct.
>Nooo! Everything other than praise for this QTEslop UE5 asset flip is a jewish conspiracy against white people!!This shit got astroturfed by "journalists" where the fuck did you pull your polschizo victim narrative from?
>>739192965just wait until this anon discovers every developer in the world reuses assets, its called EFFICIENCY
>>739192772>>739192792>>739192849My issue is that escapism in real life does not have these types of extreme benefits. It would make more sense if the benefits were toned down. Otherwise Lumiere doesn't really work as an allegory.Also, the game clearly wants you to believe that the people of Lumiere are real. If they aren't real, they wouldn't be able to invent new things like the lumina converter. We even play as verso for a while. At best you could argue that it's kept ambiguous. Real life escapism doesn't let you form meaningful relationships with other sentient beings.At best you could say that the game is about how you shouldn't run away from your problems. It's not really a good commentary on escapism.
>>739180485I saw this game in our FF14 discord FC. people were playing it when it came out and I decided to check it out. I realized why I feel in love with games and I couldn't go back to FF because that felt like a waste of time and not much of a good experience anymore. I wasted my life like a complete retard playing that game. I play single player games now but after Nier and EX33 nothing hits that deep anymore. Can I get the same high again wise anons? What game would you recommend?
>>739193395They are real. The painting doesn't need to be an allegory for real life escapism. Sometimes a story is just a story, and this one is a tragedy.
Was this ever refuted?
>>739185857Holy retard.Verso was 26 when he died. Assuming Clea, their first child, is a couple years older, let's say 30, that would put Aline and Renoir around 50, maybe a couple years under, assuming they had her around 20. And wouldn't you know it, they look about how you'd expect 50 year olds in the early 1900s to look. They sure as hell don't look 100+ which they'd have to if being inside a canvas physically aged you 1:1. Verso also looks about 26, Clea a couple years older and Alicia a couple years younger like you'd expect.It's never stated that being in a canvas directly ages you so I have no clue where you got this idea from.
>>739193415Most games that try to put an effort into the storytelling don't succeed like nier and e33. Unironically read books if you want great narratives. Vidya is always going to be mostly about fun game mechanics, strong stories are a rarity.
>>739193395Nobody is saying it's a commentary on escapism except you
>>739193143>And this wasn't even the point you tried to make.But this was my point from the beginning? I was arguing that Lumiere doesn't work as an allegory for escapism.
Sandfall cut ALOT of corners in Expedition 33, and it shows.Unreal slopshitty enemy designsvirtually no NPCs after the initial levelbarren boring world levelsetc
>>739192965 >>739192965Games have used stock assets since 3D began. Super Mario 64 is full of assets from the Sozaijiten Material Dictionary.
>>739193673qte good if journos tell me it's good
>>739193395Its simpler than that, the ending is a choice between:Do you want to perpetuate the cycle of grief? or do you want break it?
>be me, girl>need money. what do?>by the titty, I got it>Let's Play Expedition 33 FIRST TIME Part 1 Tears already?!
>>739193528We see Renoir look much older than the Painted version anon no need to be a dick about it. You can disagree that he doesn't look older or Painted was some idealized version but Painted Renoir and Real Renoir are clearly different ages
>>739193617Your point from the beginning is that using the paintings was objectively good when it isn't and the entire game is why
>>739193790renoir is not 60 years older than he was in when this was painted.
>>739183593>E33 fags have to be the most pretentious fags ever. The story for this game isn't even good. The first 2 acts are a generic save the world plotline, while the final act is a failed allegory for escapism.This. E33 is just another millennial game about depression, but with an AAA budget because the 'director' has a rich dad.
>>739185869notice how they never reply to this
>>739187450Then why didn't Alicia's face change in the ending? Why is she still disfigured? LMAO
>>739192635>>739192837A well-written story doesn't cause confusion in the reader's mind. A well-written story in a video game should absolutely not cause even one ounce of confusion, because you also have images and sounds to help. If the writer fails to get his message accross, he's a bad writer. In E33, the blame can be put on AI because it was most likely written by it.Now, you can use your schizo-typical narcissism and delusions of grandeur and keep repeating "I'm so smart, that's why I understand this super duper high IQ story and everyone else is dumb blah blah blah", but the truth is it's just a shit story written by AI.If Harry Potter was written by E33's "writer" (GPT 3.5 or whatever model they used), I can guarantee you it would have been a failure. Only schizoid narcissistic pseudo-intellectuals would claim it's good and that only they are smart enough to recognize such fine story-telling.
>>739193964Again there's clearly some age fuckery considering they're demiurgic wizards with access to chroma which can do anything from changing appearances to creating continents. But we do see Maelle age, and she's a painter. Chroma can clearly do some crazy shit and there's no reason to believe that these people are following any real-world logic in terms of their aging
>>739185869nta but RDR1
>>739183593It's a JRPG for people who hate JRPGs.What did you expect?
>>739194138>"I'm so smart,No, you're just dumb. The story is simple, only retards (you) had difficulty understanding it.
>>739194138Harry Potter is a fucking dogshit story with more plot holes than Dragon Ball Z
>>739180485>E33>breathtaking art directionBreathtaking as in you can't stop laughing how bad it looks so you can't breathe?
>>739193673yea, except that Expedition 33 is an extremely cheap game like $15 million entire budget (development, operations, marketing, etc).it only needed 500k copies to breakeven.
>>739194176They age within the canvas if they want to. Outside, their bodies age at a normal rate. 60 years in the canvas was a few weeks, maybe months, outside. So their real bodies are only a few weeks or months old.
>>739180485play more games nigga
>>739185869Saya no Uta
>>739194284
>>739194316>So their real bodies are only a few weeks or months old.Nigger I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore fuck off
>>739192637>aline has already lived the equivalent of 2 lifespansDoing what exactly? Preventing her minecraft village from being erased because she doesn't want to log out of Verso's soul realm? What was gained from here sitting at the Monolith for 60 years looking sad? Your autistic ass is projecting onto the time dilation about how many vydia you would be able to play inside the painting or how you'd finally learn Japanese or something, but that's a fantastical concept that is disputed by the game itself. The allegory is clearly showing that they are not creating free time. They are syphoning their life into the painting where they can cope. To them, it seems like all the time in the world because you don't need to think about things outside when you have hundreds of years, but that's the trap. Complacency of procrastination times a hundred. Alicia gets the Canvas admin rights and what does she do? Playact the dream of an imprint of the dead brother's soul.>LOOK VERSO YOU ARE PLAYING THE PAINO LIKE YOU ALWAYS WANTED! MY BRO IS NOT DEAD! IM NOT COPING!>It would be stupid to not use the paintings atleast a little bit.And that's the conflict, no? Aline is not there, just a bit, like Clea. For fuck sake she has been there for so long she made another family inside of it.>If Renoir can keep a grip, it's possible.Renoir has a goal, he is over it, but like a caregiver of the hysterical women, his time and health are also being channeled into the cope painting. Aline is doing an equivalent of crying in her son's room for days. With Renoir at her side trying calm her down.Renoir is not at the manor helping Alicia to not feel intense guilt over Verso's death or help her about bodily affliction and disfigurement, to not feel like a freak. He is in the painting, tard wrangling her mother. He is affected by this bullshit as much if not more.
>>739184606>make jrpg>remove shit characters>remove shit writing>put actual gameplay in the combat>people like itWOOOOOOOOW
>>739193475I don't think anyone would ever disagree with this. I'd say "modern" FF though (as in, anything after 12)SE keeps pumping money and graphics into stories that are inherently not interesting at all. They create the most generic lore and stories so no matter how many times you want to change your battle system, people are just not engaged
>>739194405I'll try to make it easier for you out of respect for your disability. Time passes much faster in the canvas. Painters have power over reality inside of a canvas. Aline and Renoir do not age in the canvas despite spending 60+ years in there. That time inside the canvas equates to a few weeks or months outside of the canvas, in the real world. The painters' bodies, which are in a kind of stasis while their consciousness is in a canvas, do not age abnormally quickly while in this state of inactivity.
>>739194402looks like a ps3 game tbf
>>739194551Yeah literally nobody is arguing against any of that you dipshit
Is there any attacks in this game that feature stopping time and rush attacksIf not then I refuse to play this shit
>>739180485I agree OP!as an Isreal born jewish member of the LGBTQPF+ community, (pronouns: They, Them) I have to say I absolutely looooved Expedition 33 and its my personal game of the decade!
>>739194696Yeah
>>739193768GENIUS !
>>739194723As a normal person who hates faggot jews I agree
>>739194678this retard >>739185857 said that aline and renoir aged 60 years
>>739180485Incredible, but has any character ever suffered as much as Ellie?
>>739194828They did, in the painting. Alicia ages 16 years in the painting and that doesn't affect her body outside of the canvas at all
>>739192637NTA but going into paintings must be the biggest slippery slope imaginable. Renoir already stated that he almost died to a painting (addiction) and Aline had to make him pull his shit together. The same aline that is now almost dying because of escapism. She knew back then (being the biggest figurehead for painters) yet she still succumbed to it because of grief. Imagine how worse being in a painting must be for inexperienced peopleYou're right in the sense that you can live out multiple lifetimes if you just jump from painting to painting. Nothing is stated in game, but painters do seem to be stuck in some sort of stasis while they're inside a painting. The events of E33 happen in the span of 100 lumerian years, which range from a few weeks to a few months. I don't picture Clea or anyone else cleaning their shit and changing their clothes. The way they're just standing/sitting in front of the painting implies stasisAs for being in paintings. They already mentioned the couple painted "hundreds of canvas worlds, pushing the boundaries of creation" so I'm guessing they lived way more than two lifetimes each. It's kind of fucked up because the implications would be too severe, but are never explored in game. A person with hundreds of years of experience/knowledge? That's tough. Also imagine being in a family and only (you) going into a painting for that long. Imagine coming out with 100 years of experience when in reality only a few weeks passed. That's a completely different person coming out. Again, never fully explored in gameThat aside, I understand if you want to paint a beach and get some vacation time, but they know better than anyone that their creations are not human. How long can you truly live without actual human connection inside a painting? Unless you're deranged enough to think they're real people, which Aline and Alicia went through
>>739193462>>739193595Escapism is clearly one of the game's themes, though. >>739193886The game emphasizes that it's only bad if you do it too much. Otherwise it's beneficial. >>739194494>Your autistic ass is projecting onto the time dilation about how many vydia you would be able to playBut that's exactly why it's not a good allegory. It seems too beneficial. Allegory needs to be similar to the thing it is referencing. All I'm saying is that this story is not a 10/10 masterpiece or something.
>>739187074Facts break leftoid brains
>>739187428Tetris
>>739180485>deeply satisfying combatLmao, here's your E33 combat.
>>739180485This game reminded me why I hate video games and the people who play them.
>>739194984>The game emphasizes that it's only bad if you do it too much. Otherwise it's beneficialWhich the game goes on to emphasize that the greatest painter ever, Aline, is killing herself in the painting and willing to drag her husband to the grave with her
>>739183593This. People who praise this game are dumb retards who got tricked into thinking they've experienced some highest form of art, while all they've played is a pretentious movie which has some "oh so deep" (but actually shallow and using very common cliches) philosophy tied to it.It's a shit game which had some brilliant marketing to make normalfags think they're experiencing fine art while playing some AI generated UE5 slop.
>>739194240Why are you quoting the "I'm so smart" part and responding to me, when it was clearly put into quotation marks to signify I was mimmicking the other user? If you failed to understand that, then yeah... time for me to get out of here and let the E33 thread/asylum get their looney bin party going on.
>>739193768>FIRST TIME PLAYING DARK SOULS>709k views
>>739194920>Imagine how worse being in a painting must be for inexperienced people95% of this board would paint a gooner world with all their favorite gacha waifus and would die in complete bliss, guaranteedNot many sane people would have the restraint to use this power sparingly
>>739195210You are pretty fucking dumb though let's just be clear here
>>739194920>Unless you're deranged enough to think they're real people, which Aline and Alicia went throughRenoir didn't really call them fake either though, even though it's a card he should have played when trying to convince alicia. Also, they invented the lumina converter, which shouldn't be possible if they are fake.
>>739194865>any character suffered as much as Ellie?yes, Gustave.lets break him down.>constantly told to shut up, or hurry up, or speak up, or stop being a coward and be a man.>at first glance of a real combat completely freezes up and shits his pants meanwhile all the strong woman around him ate fighting and scrambling to survive >gets knocked out at said combat and when waking up first thought in his mind is “Imma kill myself like the weak willed, cowardly cuck bitch faggot that I am.>doesn’t even bother looking for maelles corpse>is interrupted in the process of killing himself by the stronk wahman Lune telling Gustave to stop being a coward >meanwhile all the strong woman survive the battle with no problems.>constantly picked on by the stronk wahman because of his weaknesses and fallacies.>diesLMAO! truly something only a cuck french faggot with the aid of a chink woman married to a jew could write
>>739195113Yes, because she became emotional due to grief. I think aline just had mental issues tbqh
>>739195353Renoir called P.Verso a creation (one of Aline's finest). He's respectful and respects their opinions, but that doesn't mean they're real
>>739195780Yes, obviously
>>739195348I think I'd rather consider my officially administred WAIS-IV test results than some random person on the internet who also happens to not only love but also defend a rather mediocre game. But what do I know. :interrogative-hands-in-the-air-emoji:
>>739194984>Allegory needs to be similar to the thing it is referencing.It's referencing grief and dithering of letting go. They are inside the Verso's painting. Both Renoir and Verso literally say to Maelle that there are other paintings. Why are she and Aline coping in this one in particular? Because fucking Verso's soul is here. The last remaining piece of him in this world. This is them pretending that he is not gone. That's what its all about. The paintings are just setting and a framework of the story. And you watched all that, and your autistic reaction "bruh I'd play so much vydia in a painting with time dilation." And then you go around pretending that you even understood what the narrative was about. Yeah it was about the dangers of time dilating paintings. Very relatable. Serious real-life hazard. Remember when you go into a painting where years pass in a week remember: just a tip. That's what E33 was about.
>>739195864So for normal people it's fine. I would definitely use them
>>739195942Wow and you're a faggot too big surprise
>>739196004Yes Anon again nobody ever said using the paintings is something nobody should do. But Anon let's be very very clear you are not normal
>>739191372Something with the Writers would be the next thing, I'd think.Or they could introduce a new group of [spoilers]Composers, bringing in a crazy TWEWY crossover lol[/spoiler]
>>739191517>next story introduces a painting that is collaborative, ala Drawpile>things start off fine but then shit hits the fan>optional online connectivity allows other players' actions to influence your local game, kinda like how Souls does
>>739180485Buy an ad queer
>>739195969>It's referencing grief and dithering of letting go.Do you even understand what allegory means? Allegory has to represent or signify an idea in our world.Lumiere does not represent grief. In the story, it represents escapism. It is literally being used as escapism.Grief is just a theme in the game. Not allegory. >Remember when you go into a painting where years pass in a week remember: just a tip. That's what E33 was about.My whole criticism of e33 is that the use of Lumiere as an allegory for escapism is retarded because it's unrealistic.
>>739193790>We see Renoir look much older than the Painted versionHonestly I don't see it. PRenoir feels younger because of his design and how he carries himself compared to real Renoir (pRenoir using his cane as a weapon and style accessory compared to Renoir actually relying on it to stand for example) but when you look at their faces, they look about the same age. Real Renoir is also tired from fighting Aline for the better part of a century and that contributes to him seeming older.
>>739196465>or signify an idea in our world.Did you not read the rest of the post? Aline remaining in the painting is an allegory for not moving on. Her being in the painting is the real-life equivalent of sitting in her son's room crying on his bed because this is the closest she will ever be to him forever. >Grief is just a theme in the game. Not allegory.Read the other part of the sentence. The fact that you think allegory can only be one singular thing is fascinating. >My whole criticism of e33 is that the use of Lumiere as an allegory for escapism is retarded because it's unrealistic.Yeah, yeah, I've got your autistic desire to watch your anime backlog in a dimensional pocket. Not what the story is about. Just a tip: is not a healthy way to run away from your problems. Sorry that you are obsessed with the time dilation part of the story and can't see the forest for the trees.
>>739193790Did you even play the game?Aline painted that version of renoir. It's his idolized version of him. He's better built and has a more commanding presence. There are lines of dialogue in the game that allude to this
>>739196465Dude why do you keep harping about it being a failed allegory for escapism, and when people point out that it isn't about escapism you keep making the argument that it is but just that it sucks. You're the only one saying it's about escapism. And then you're saying that you don't like it for being a badly written story about escapism. Like you are on and on about something that the game isn't even about really, all so you can pretend to be correct about something
>>739197430Which lines? She painted him to be the monster she needed him to be to justify leaving him in the real world. She didn't idealize anyone in the family except Verso. Did you play the game?
>>739197505He likes the fantasy of a dimensional pocket where he can do what he wants, with whomever he wants, for as long as he wants. It irks him that the game passes abstruse condemnation on two people who overindulge in it. Why these two overindulge is not even going into the equation. I don't know if he projects it onto videogames and thinks that the story itself tells him to get off his ass or some shit, but it clearly resulted in him concluding the game is being hypocritical because if Clea and Renoir are not going mad in paintings then it's somehow across the board, just the tip. As if Renoir's argument has ever been "fuck all the paintings"That's my couch assessment.
>>739198129As multiple anons have already pointed out many times to the retard, Renoir even tells Alicia, essentially, fuck it we got other paintings we just gotta ditch this ONE. So how this mutated into "escapism bad" is beyond my comprehension. But we clearly are not retarded and anon is, so
>>739198446YEah but escapism BAD
>>739180485So since we all know the Clair Obscur is going to the name of the series, similar to how the title for Final Fantasy works, do we think CO2 is going to be set in the same "world" but features an entirely new cast of characters separated from E33, or will it be a completely brand new world?
>>739198694I have a theory that real Verso isn't really dead and whatever he is doing will be what the next game is centered around, so probably the writers and that whole situation. Shit, for all we know Verso "wrote" and entirely different world with an entirely different perspective on the cast
>>739180485Loved it until the finale. Then it kind of pissed me off.
>>739180783same, lasted 5 hours until I realized I got conned by jeets and their UE5 slop
Vanilla Skyrim is better
>>739198907You got conned by jeets and jews when you bought gamepass
>>739197283>The fact that you think allegory can only be one singular thing is fascinating.Allegory needs to be symbolic. >Aline remaining in the painting is an allegory for not moving onNo, that's just an event that happens in the story. She chooses to not move on. It's does not necessarily symbolize grief, it's a direct depiction. Lumiere itself, the place / painting, can be interpreted to symbolize real life escapism in the form of video games or consuming fiction. You can see it as allegory or a metaphor, whatever term you want to use.The game has themes of grief, but it's also about escapism. And in my opinion, it didn't do the escapism part well.
>>739197505>and when people point out that it isn't about escapismIt literally is. Maelle and aline want to use the painting for escapism.
>>739198129>>739198446when these threads were happening frequently maellefags indirectly admitted that this position was what they held all the time. They gradually revealed that they didn't really like the game because they correctly intuited that maelle was being presented as someone with tragic failings, and any implication that their perfect escapist fantasy could have any problems was very offensive to them. It's been a trip seeing peoples' pathologies get revealed.
Anon, did you just say something positive about E33? Don't you know it's spiritually Israeli AI slop, and liking it makes you actually racist???
>>739180485Yeah I agree it's the same way I felt after playing it. It's not perfect but man it's so fucking good. My favorite part is that it doesn't feel like it adds a bunch of filler to waste my time and make the game longer. Pretty much everything felt worth doing, when there was dialogue I wanted to hear it, yes there are a few exceptions but compared to most games it's almost nothing.
>>739199458The Xenoblade 2 pfp really is the cherry on top of this retarded tranny sundae, kek.
>>739199458>Xenoblade 2 faggot>Is retardedEvery time
>>739199458Ahh, yes. I will take video game analysis advice from someone with taste in games like this.
>>739200128what makes people think they're interesting enough that compiling such a list would be a good use of time?
>>739199096>Allegory needs to be symbolic.I literally described to you the symbolism. His paintings are his things that his mother holds onto. I guess you can keep saying nuh-uh because you think allegory is supposed to be exclusively abstract and thinly veiled. >It's does not necessarily symbolize griefYes, because the time-dilating paintings with pieces of your dead son's soul are such a literal concept in the real world.>can be interpreted to symbolize real life escapism in the form of video games or consuming fictionThat's what your autistic ass is focused on. Where is Lumiere, though? Whose painting is it in? And why will Aline spend 100 years inside in order to not let someone empty it? >The game has themes of grief, but it's also about escapism. And in my opinion, it didn't do the escapism part well.Autistic nigger, your retarded fucking videogames is not the sole revolving part of the idea of escapism. Do you understand that the two craziest women in the story are escaping grief over their son/brother death and guilt over being the cause of his death by holding onto the last vestige of his literal soul? How are you translating this to "all paintings bad = videogames bad." What type of man-child stubbornness is this?
>>739199458>I wrote up a piece on BackloggdAwww, xhe thinks xhe's a journalist!
>>739200195So they can get brownie points from other trannies for having "amazing, deep taste", which happened in that retard's twitter thread.
>>739180485I played for a few hours. The dialogue was so bad I thought people were joking when they called it a masterpiece. You could only think it was good if you've never watched a film or read a book.
I hate people who use bad metaphors and it's incredibly common these days. It's a strategy people use to "win" arguments because it's exhausting to explain to someone why their metaphor is retarded.
>>739200357This
>>739200445>exhaustingThat's the point. The internet was full of incessant bickering in its early days, normal people stopped engaging in regular discussion and schizos honed to perfection their ability to say everything except for "I was mistaken."
>>739200357I've read many books and I think e33 has the best dialogue in any game ever. What game do you think does it better?
>>739180485God you're so embarrassing.Play more games fucking hell.
>>739200206>His paintings are his things that his mother holds ontoThat's literal, not symbolic. It literally is his canvas. >Yes, because the time-dilating paintings with pieces of your dead son's soul are such a literal concept in the real world.It's fiction. Fiction can have unrealistic things. But that doesn't mean the painting itself symbolizes grief. I dont see why you think this. The mother holding onto it doesn't turn it into a symbol of grief. It's more like a memento. Either way, even if you think it represents grief somehow, that doesn't change the fact that it also represents the concept of escapism. Infact that's literally how it's used. >Do you understand that the two craziest women in the story are escaping grief over their son/brother deathYes, and they are using Lumiere to do so. Which is why I say that it represents escapism in the story.Also, maelle mentioned her real life sucking as one of the reasons she wanted to stay. So it's not as though she's only there because of her brother. >"all paintings bad = videogames bad."Video games and other forms of fiction are the only real life parallels to Lumiere. If you see Lumiere as a form of escapism. Also I never said the message of the game was that vidya is bad.
>>739187272Expand your library dude, how many games do you own or "own" if on Steam.
>>739201467>I dont see why you think this. The mother holding onto it doesn't turn it into a symbol of grief.It does when she chooses to hold onto it as a form of suicide rather than deal with her son's loss, retard.
>>739200128These are the types of games liked by the audience of weebs who seethe at the mere mention of E33 like? Yikes.
>>739186529>>739186663Totally not samefagging whatsoever.
>>739201467>That's literalAnd the symbolic part as it pertains to a real-world equivalent is keeping your son's room intact for years, spending more and more time in it in order to feel closer to him.>But that doesn't mean the painting itself symbolizes grief.It doesn't. The two holding onto it symbolize grief and the inability to get over her death. For as long as his soul exists inside of Verso, he is technically alive, and they can repaint him. Both of these are fictional concepts. >Which is why I say that it represents escapism in the story.Do you actually selectively read? Do you just ignore the fact that the thing they are running from confronting is Verso being gone?And that escapism doesn't mean your retarded fucking video games in this case?>Also, maelle mentioned her real life sucking as one of the reasons she wanted to stay.I wonder what the fuck happened in her real life to make her think that. I hope no brother died in an effort to save her, and being able to endlessly repaint him inside the painting would remove any need to confront that guilt since there he is: "Real" Verso, playing his favorite piano. It's almost like he never died. But sure, it's about escapism via video games, according to some autistic souls.>Video games and other forms of fiction are the only real life parallels to Lumiere.I know that this is what your autistic ass is obsessed about and thinks that the video game is attacking you for playing video videogames. But can you actually ascertain why they are both in this painting in particular? What's inside of it? >Also I never said the message of the game was that vidya is bad.You are literally equating escapism to video games and surmising that the game is saying escapism is le bad.
>>739202671>And that escapism doesn't mean your retarded fucking video games in this case?Yes, there are many forms of escapism. Immersing yourself in the fictional world of a good book for example is also a form of escapism. Immersing yourself in fiction can generally be seen as escapism. All I'm saying is that escapism is definitely a theme in the story. >wonder what the fuck happened in her real life to make her think that.Sure, but she also got disfigured and lost an eye. She didn't just lose her brother. >that the game is saying escapism is le bad.The game is saying that too much escapism being used to run away from your problems / real life is bad. Anyways, this is my last post We can disagree on what the story meansI think that escapism is definitely one of the central themes though.
