>he hasn't learned Japanese to play JRPGs, VNs, and other text heavy vidya in the original language yet
>learn japanese to play japanese games without relying on troonlators>2026>now japanese games are pozzed at the source>or they are now aimed at zoomers which is just as bad>have to cope with playing old shit from time to time while being useless for 99% of other stuff
i'm willing to learn japanese, it's just getting started is the hardest part. it's scary
I need reassurance that I will make it and learn japanese if I just read manga and play games/vns that are interesting to me with a dictionary without all that reddit ankidrone boring trash cure dolly and other insane schizo bullshitpeople used to learn japanese before anki existed, what changed
>>739184162I mostly use it to read manga or play eroges nowadays. Which is honestly mostly useless now considering AI translations have gotten very good. Sure it'll never be as good as reading it in the original language but its such a big time investment that i feel like it wasnt worth it.
>>739184239the hardest part is actually being disciplined. people quit ALL the time
>>739184329Sure, you can. It's just easier with anki.
>>739184350i learned grammar and did anki for a while before getting bored. I just sometimes look up words at dictionary and that seems to be enough to tell the context. It's crazy how confusing context translations are, better to know literal words.
>>739184414>anki.Fucking sham of an ap. Don't know why it keeps getting shilled. It was way easier to just go back to the roots and start writing what you're learning. Maybe because I'm not a zoomer that learned to write sing a mobile phone.
>>739184059I would rather learn chinese to prepare for the chinese century
>>739184329you must memorize all the words some way or other. you can either spend 1000 hours stumbling through a baby manga, looking up every single word multiple times or you can just memorize the words
>>739184997I can think of nothing worse than Chinese "media". The Koreans are occasionally comedic in their hatred for women, the Taiwanese can produce low to middling quality output, even HK had a period of creativity.I am very confident that the Chinese will never produce anything of value, because they lack the emotion required.
you just put this shit through AI and it spoonfeeds you everythingimagine being a fucking retard that actually spent their time learning this shitty language
>>739184059Fizzled out on kanjiGrinding out flash cards wasn't very fun
>>739185091ok yeah, that's what people call "mining" right, but am I supposed to get through a 2k or something deck before that? this is the part that I hate
>>739185160they experience plenty of emotion irl
>>739184059Correct, text-heavy vidya are universally horrible and shouldn't exist, let alone be played.
>>739185239>give chatgpt a line>"ok, so this character says "boku", which is a mature masculine self pronoun, and at the end of the sentence he says "yo", which is meant to add emphasisYou will never understand Japanese works
>>739184329you are doing yourself a massive disservice by not just learning basic grammar(no need to get it perfect, just familiarize yourself with it), and maybe a thousand vocab words. sure you could do it your way but it would be so much slower
>>739185412At 20 words a day it'll take you 3 months, and take you about 20-30 minutes a day.>b-but I want to read NOW!When you don't know any words? Alright, good luck with that.
>>739184239What got me started was some dickhead anon who apparently lived in japan on a university scholarship or something telling me I couldn't do it. He was right though
>>739184239Take it one step at a time. Learning a language (especially a language as different from English as Japanese) is like climbing a mountain. It's scary only because you're looking at the whole mountain and immediately getting intimidated. Set small goals and work towards those, one little piece at a time.For someone who is a complete beginner like you, you should start by memorizing hiragana. But don't try to learn every hiragana at once. Start with a column or two at a time and use mnemonics to help you.https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/Eventually you'll have them all memorized and you'll not only give yourself the foundation for the rest of your Japanese journey, but you'll also show yourself it's not as hard as you think to climb the mountain.(Also I will second this anon >>739184375 that staying disciplined is the hardest part. i struggled with this for a while myself. Everyone has different circumstances and learning capacity, so don't look at someone who becomes fluent by studying 8 hours every day and get discouraged. It's okay and completely normal if you can only do a little bit every day. But it does need to be every day to be useful.)
>>739184059I don't even play TRANSlated JRPGs, VNs, or other text heavy vidya anymore. I get home from work around 9pm and can't be arsed to play more than a single level of SMW or Yoshi's Island before going to bed.
>>739185160Chinese media is veeeerrrryy wordy. I'm fine with games since I just skim through text, but other media just makes my head hurt.Not to mention how much they fellate their "homeland" every passing chance they get while dissing every other region indirectly with analogies.
>>739185846thanks. i studied hiragana and katakana so i know that stuff already, it feels like second nature. kanji is scary doe
>>739184059I tried but I'm too stupid and have 0 discipline. I was doing good for a while but got burnt out and never really returned outside of Duolingo which does nothing but keep my grammar slightly refreshed.
>>739184059was learning japanese until I found out the biggest turbo thot from HS is now an ironic weeb larper and is learning japanese too to travel to japan
>>739186107>duolingoat least you'll know how to say "i want 3 blue apples" really well
>>739184329Anki is a meme, you better stick to a dictionary (Jisho or the app Takoboto on phone, for starters), grammatical lessons (imabi is the most complete source so far). Kanjidamage was nice too to understand memorizing kanjis through radicals.But keep consuming mangas and entry-level videogames that have furigana (hiragana above the kanji characters to help you pronounce the words) since those materials keep you getting immersed into the language.
>>739184239>>739184329The best way to start is for sure Duolingo, just find a hacked APK. Later on, once you have a decent enough level, you will look for better ways to learnAlso, unless you live in Japan and make the effort to talk to people there, you will never reach near native level no matter what you do. I don't say this to deter people from learning but it is important to keep your expectations low so that you don't quit because you don't get the results that you want even after years of studying. Unless you're studying in college or you're a professional who needs to learn the language ASAP you need to treat this like a hobby that you enjoy, rather than a serious business thing that you have to be a master at, or you will be frustrated and quit. The same applies to other things like working outThe number 1 most important thing is that you start, the second most important thing is that you don't quit, anything else is not as important, so do everything that will ensure you will never quit, keeping things fun and lightheaded is the best way to achieve it
>>739185160Most of best novels are from china
I can't even learn spanish when everyone speaks spanish around me, it's hopeless
>>739186557>just find a hacked APKDoes it not need an internet connection?
>>739185979Yeah I hear you. Kanji was and continues to be a challenge for me. Again though, not as scary if you break down each kanji into its radicals and only learn, like, one or two at a time. Frankly (I don't know if this is an unpopular position), I think you can and should wait to learn some kanji until you have a decent start on your vocabulary. Trying to learn kanji out of context was a complete waste of time for me. The readings and meanings just went one ear and out the other. But with related vocabulary you already know to supplement learning the kanji, it stuck with my brain better. And instead of just arbitrarily memorizing readings, I can say, "oh, it's read this particular way with this particular word," and build that association.There's also some that are really basic like 一 (1), 二 (2), 三 (3), 木 (tree), 人 (person), etc. that are basically pictures of the words that are fairly simple to memorize and give yourself a start with.
>>739186557>. Unless you're studying in college or you're a professionalThat's the road to turn you into a troon and become a localizer that destrroys the media you love. NEVER ever take that route.
>>739186721that helps a lot, thank you
>>739184059how long would it take to just learn how to understand spoken japanese? i just want to listen to vtubers. don't care much about speaking it which i hear is the hardest part
>>739185528Do you work for Duolingo?Machine translation of games has been around for a very long time, kind of working the same as phone apps where you point the camera at writing in a different language and it gives basically the same image but the writing is in English. You're not typing every line of text into ChatGPT. You're playing the game in English. The AI can fuck up and translate a line poorly, but people can do the same or intentionally throw out what was said in favor of their own fan fiction.
I wish I could've forced younger me into learning this shit at a young age. I don't want to be 50 with a 5 year Japanese kids grasp on the language.
>>739187046how long it takes primarily is on you. you just need a good vocab bank and basic understanding of grammar.
>>739187135So start now. "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago and the second-best time is today", and all.
>>739187261>finally manage to learn japanese at the ripe age of 89 on my deathbed>w-watashi no namae wa... john desu...>*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
>>739187526Which is sadder: that, or being 89 on your deathbed thinking>I regret not trying to learn Japanese like I wanted to :(
>>739187135Motivation and discipline are much more important than any brain plasticity wank shit. I've taught some older folk who grasp the language much quicker than the average zoomer, because they have personal goals and actually put in the effort, instead of refusing to learn even kana and use AI to cheat on homework assignments.
ITT: retards and other coping retards who are too dumb to put in any effort or time into learning one of the easiest languages
>>739187261I'm trying, but the looming feeling of hopelessness hangs over me. Hell, some katakana still trips me up.
>>739187892Anon, Japanese is widely considered to be one of the hardest languages for English speakers to learn. The Foreign Service Institute classifies it as Category V, the hardest level for English speakers to learn.
the thing i miss most about being a neet was that i could just read visual novels all day. i used to read them 6-8 hours a day whenever i wanted. ever since i got a job, i don't even have the energy to read anymore, really sucks man...
>>739187892Japanese is pretty hard to learn. Chinese on the other hand is really easy for English speakers to learn, the grammar is almost identical.
>>739184059>learning Jap>over Greek, Latin, Italian, French, German and Russian
>>739189120All equally worthless if you live in the US, also sorry Ivan but even in Europe Russian is a worthless language
>>739188962except for the 8000 characters
>>739186753the troons that fuck up video game translations are failures, not professionalsreal professionals get hired for actual important shit that pays way better, game translations are low-paying which only attracts ideologically-motivated freaks that can't get real work as translators
>>739189120>dying languages
>play>VNspick one
>>739189120>latinCHVDS... HIC SVMVS
>>739189120>implying you can only learn one languageFrench, Italian and German are all piss easy to learn, there's no reason you can't do them as well
>>739184059Does someone have the pic with this face and the underwater sign "STOP! GO NO FURTHER. YOU WILL DIE" skeleton?? You know the one?
>>739189539It took me 20 years to learn English.
>>739189304True, but easier if you're familiar with kanji already
>>739189626skill issue
i really regret not going to chinese school after my normal school as a kid when both of my cousins went. sure it's not japanese but they taught chinese characters and that would've been a huge help for me now
>>739190050If you had no interest in the language, you wouldn't have learned anything anyway.
>>739188087>for English speakersThis is an ESL website thougheverbeit
>>739184059I have though.
all this anki will pay off... someday...
>>739189120Jap has more speakers than all of those except for French and Russian. But only broke african niggers and central asian retards speak those anyway.
>>739184059I can't learn japanese. I'm too dumb for that. I don't even know english.
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>>739184059But I am.>"Who the hell are you!? I hate men, stay away from me!!" *spits*(the solution is to talk to him with a girl as the party leader, after which he'll offer to pay a huge amount of gold to """rub her shoulders""". English changed this to an innocent "please rub my shoulders, ma'am" kind of thing)
>>739191587No I...doesn't
>>739191605God I fucking hate reading sentences with no kanji
>>739189120>missing out on all the deep intellectual japanese writingLel, wouldn't be me
>>739191721>i can't read without kanji despite being the most basic shit ever
>>739191945Oh I can readIt's just not nearly as convenient
>>739184059i am too retarded to learn japanese
>>739187892ikr, so easy kids can learn it
>>739191945You get used to seeing the words in their kanji form so it's exponentially slower to suddenly read them in kana onlyThen there's the bullshit where they don't even separate the words
>>739191105TRANSLATION FUCKING NEVER
>>739184059The only good Asian games nowadays are Chinese and Korean.
>try to learn japanese so i can understand my favorite japanese chuuba>she graduates before i even reach n5now what
>>739189120>learn Japanese>play untranslated video games, read new manga in its native language, go to Japan and chat with locals>learn Latin>uhhh... uhhhhhhh...
>>739184059every time i start learning japanese i see how archaic their writing system is and i just stop.
>>739192302Dont do the sunk cost fallacy. Find new chuuba and move on to new language
>>739192615your mother is archaic. HA GOTEEM
>>739191945This actually fucks up many students. I hate that the beginner level learning materials often decide against using kanji almost altogether despite also using furigana. You get sentences like>私は きょう がっこうで べんきょうしました。>あの きれいな おねえさんが 好きです。where only some of the words have kanji with furigana. This makes it more difficult for students to differentiate between words, particles and conjugation, and early on they have extra difficulty differentiating い-ending na-adjectives because they're not written in kanji.
Work on your kanji you EOP losers. HOKU TOHYAKU RETSUKEN.Hoku and hyaku are yochien class, and show up fucking everywhere.
>>739192661Excuse me, I think your comment was really uncalled for. I say this as calmly as I can, but I do find it genuinely upsetting. The phrasing you chose—particularly bringing someone’s mother into it in such a flippant and dismissive way—feels unnecessarily disrespectful, even if you intended it as a joke. It is difficult to interpret it as harmless when it carries such an undertone of mockery.I want to be very clear: I am not reacting out of anger, but out of a sense of discomfort and disappointment. There is something quite disheartening about seeing communication reduced to remarks that seem designed more to provoke than to contribute anything meaningful. Even the “HA GOTEEM” at the end gives the impression that the goal was to belittle rather than to engage.I am trying to remain composed, but I would be dishonest if I said it did not bother me. It feels careless, and frankly a bit dismissive of basic courtesy. Words matter, even when delivered casually, and this particular choice of words lands in a way that is difficult to simply brush aside.I would sincerely appreciate a more thoughtful and considerate tone moving forward. It does not take much to be respectful, and maintaining that baseline makes interactions far more constructive for everyone involved.
>>739191721I didn't even notice the lack of kanji until you mentioned it.
>>739192964im sowwy
>>739193009That's because you don't know any kanji. It's extremely apparent right away to anyone with notable experience with the language
Kanji is not possible to learn. It is impossible to learn.
>>739192836This. Japanese has so goddamn many homophones that beginners aren't able to tell words apart without kanji, this kind of writing with pure kana is only useful for people who grew up in Japan hearing the language, who already have a wide vocabulary but are kanji illiterate.
>>739193154Nah. Either way, it just looks like words to me. If you get that hung up on kana vs kanji, then you might not know the language as well as you think.
>>739184997>>739188962>>739190050>>739192218>>739184997Mao raped and killed chinese culture.Chinese can't create anything worthful ever since.The only thing left is the usual commie desire to lie and plagiatrize.
>>739193372>this kind of writing with pure kana is only useful for people who grew up in JapanIts only useful for elementary school children which is why back in the day you'd only see it in games marketed to kids (pokemon)
>>739193443Whatever you say LARPer>>739193457I dont give a fuck about Mao go back go /pol/
>>739184239Starting is the hardest part of doing anything.Does running in the morning make you feel lazy? Just start by putting on your running shoes. Suddenly it feels weird to just be lounging around the house with your shoes on, and you'll be out the door running a mile in no time.Unironically just do 10 anki cards a day from core2k. That's basically nothing and takes like 5-10 minutes a day. Before you know it you'll be sitting down and dedicating an hour to reading your favorite stuff with a dictionary in hand.
>>739186416>Anki is a meme>recommends KanjidamageAre we just trying to make more dekinais or what?
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>>739184162Play Japanese indies, then.
>>739192867Not chuuni enough for me.
>>739184059I learned English almost entirely through internet osmosis, why hasn't the same happened after all these years of anime?
>>739193841what do you propose as an alternative to anki? they don't call people ankidrones for nothing
Reminder to always do your reps first thing in the morning before breakfast
>>739194576>50 new cards a daywe got Megamind over here
>>739194530ankidrones are ankidrones because they are using anki wrong. don't blame the tool, blame the user. ankidrones are those who just grind anki without ever immersing and consuming native content, and they eventually get bored, burn out and quit. but anyone who isn't retarded would clearly know it's just a tool to get you to the point where you CAN immerse, and it's arguably one of the best tools to get you to that point
>>739194576for me, it's doing my reps at work (on days off, it's right before bed)
>>739194576>half an hour to 1½ hours to review cardsHoly shit anon start reading already
>>739194576>50 cards a dayyeah... no fucking way. thats leeches galore
>>739194943Here's the thing he spent so much time autistically grinding vocab that he doesnt know any grammar higher than Genki 1 level
>>739194734This. Anki is a tool among other methods. When people suggest others to use Anki, it means they should use it among other shit like reading grammar resources and actually consuming Japanese media in practice. You can even combine the two by making your own vocabulary decks based on the media you consume, so you're simultaneously constantly exposed to the language the way it's natively used, and then attempting to memorize it through spaced repetition. If you also want to be able to speak and write in Japanese, you should also enroll on some courses or otherwise find situations where you're forced to actively use the language, though this isn't necessarily required if your main goal is to just consume Japanese content.
I can read "creampie", "get pregnant", "womb", and "pregnancy" when I read doujins
>>739194715It's only 25 new words a day, half are recognition half are production>>739194943I do, why would you assume I don't >>739194964I'm 10k cards in and I have 8 leeches, all are production cards, recognition leeches are a skill issue
>>739195328Next you must start typing them in to get used to typing. Start small by doing searches.
>>739195328this makes me wonder, are there any good hentai/18+ vocab anki decks?
>>739194734>because they are using anki wrongno one tells anyone how to use anki. 99% people get over confident and just press GOOD within a fraction of second and wonder why they have trouble with certain cards and then eventually get overwhelmed later like this soon to be photographic memory anon >>739194576
>>739195439I collect a list of kanji with words like that to paste into searches, I don't know how japanese is even typed. I just got so frustrated that the stuff I like never gets translated and how every site is being bombarded with shit MTLs. I learned hiragana and only the few kanji for stuff like the phrases above so I can at least somewhat grasp the hot pages.
>>739195529>anon learns hentai vocab>can't read whats going on but sees manko and busts a nut
>>739194489Because>English is a very easy language to learn>your language probably shares the same latin script as English (the best script in existence) >your language probably shares a ton of the same words with English>your language likely has the same exact sentence structure as English >lots of things you wanted to read/understand were offered only in English with no alternative forcing you to immerse >English is spoken slowly and clearly With Japanese every single one of these is reverse>notoriously difficult language even for natives >zero script overlap with English/your language (notoriously badly designed script)>very few words shared with English/your language >reverse sentence structure and even conceptual thought structure >anything you might want to read/understand is already offered in a language you know >Japanese is spoken intentionally fast and slurred It's basically "baby's first language" vs "gatekeeping: the language"
>>739196406mission accomplished?
its funny how the country with the hardest language also created the best culture that you cant even understand, god is funny
>>739196427oughtthoughtthoughtoughcoughdoughdrought>easy
>>739195529if there aren't then there should be. most anons are probably learning in order to read untranslated eroge and doujin anyway.
>>739196427>English is a very easy language to learnEnglish is one of the most bastardized, convoluted languages on the planet, it's only easy to learn if your language is one of the languages they copied from at some point.
>>739196427>English is spoken slowly and clearlygood bait
>>739196427>very few words shared with English/your languagejapanese has a ton of english loanwords thougheverbeit
>>739196753despite it being an utterly retarded language it's still easy enough for even brownoids to learn
>>739197251Yeah such obvious loan words like panku, konkuru, kintore, konsento, haburashi..
>>739197487日本語が分かるふりをしなくていいよ。誰も騙されないから
>>739197487Don't forget words that just have a different meaning because why not like manshon.>>739197760dekinai
>>739196753Nice, very nice. Now show us the kanji.
>>739197975That's not even the difficult part of the language>>739193372This is
>>739184059grok made this pointless, fuck off back to your containment thread
>>739198920Honestly the homophones aren't that bad. Imo the hardest part is the onomotopeia. It's never ending and they all sound similar to at least five other, different ones. Kanji is a lot, but its manageable with enough time and the more you learn the easier the rest gets. Homophones never caused me much trouble. But onomotopeia just never seems to stick for me, outside of maybe the super common ones.
I can understand N5, does that mean i have high intelligence?
>>739184375The only way I would quit learning Japanese is if I were to suddenly stop watching anime or reading any Japanese media
>text heavy videoJust read a book faggot, video games are about the gameplay.
>1 month into teaching myself JapaneseI’m honestly shocked how much I’ve learned. I know I’m still very far from N5 but I highly recommend picking up Genki 1 and downloading a beginner Anki deck. And honestly Duolingo is great for remembering characters and sentence structure.毎日私は日本語を勉強します.
>>739199697I get you, but honestly I gave up on memorizing them. I've encountered a lot of onomatopoeia that's not in a dictionary, and accepted that 99% of the time it's bullshit based on vibes. Video very related.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIfigZMdwuQMaybe it'll stick eventually but I'm sure as hell not going to waste time studying it anymore. Imagine a foreigner reading comics and looking up words like "badump", "bonk", "kablooey" in the dictionary but multiplied by 1000 because that's how many of these stupid fucking """words""" the Japanese have. That's how stupid I feel studying Japanese onomatopoeia.
>>739184059I started learning just before covid. Now i'm good enough to play games but i don't want to.Because after immersing in japanese media non stop for the last 8 years i don't want anything to do with it coz outside of their classic cinema (late 40s up to the end of the 90s), and their proper literature, their media is fucking awful.
>>739200770>I know I’m still very far from N5You might be a lot closer than you think if you've been studying for a month. I've only taken N2, but judging from study materials N5 is basic to the point where you'd wonder why they even have a test at that level. Either way, congrats on being consistent for your first month.
>>739203212thank you, Anon. The biggest hump for me right now currently though is past, future and present tense and of course Kanji.
>>739203690Well there is no future tense in Japanese so that's one thing knocked off the list
>>739204169huh?but isn’t ます a form of future tense?like図書館に行けます?
>>739204526Uh noMasu is polite tense not future tense
>>739204526For future tense you would just use the base form.>図書館に行く / 図書館に行きますalready means>I will go to the libraryyou don't need to conjugate it to make it future tense.
>>739204135guhehebuhi
>>739204526Present / future tense conjugation is the same in Japanese. ます form isn't different from dictionary form in terms of meaning, it's just polite speech. Japanese typically marks politeness at the end of the clause. For example:行く (go)行った (went)行かない (not go)行かなかった (did not go)行きます (go)行きました (went)行きません (not go)行きませんでした (did not go)Both sets mean the same same things. Only the register (politeness level) is different. Verb stem that is used in masu-form itself is conjugated differently depending on verb group.1. Change ending u to equivalent i syllable. E.g. 行く > 行き (you can attach masu-endings after this)2. Remove る. E.g. 食べる > 食べ (you can attach masu-endings after this)3. Irregular verbs: する > し & 来る > 来 (you can attach masu-endings after this)Additionally, your 行けます is in potential form + polite form. Potential form (expressing one is able to do something) is also conjugated according to verb groups:1. Change ending u to equivalent e syllable, then add ru. E.g. 行く > 行ける2. Remove る, add られる. E.g. 食べる > 食べられる3. Irregular verbs: する > できる, 来る > 来られるThese forms can be additionally conjugated to polite masu-from by treating them all as 2. group verbs. Example:1. 行く > 行ける > 行けます2. 食べる > 食べられる > 食べられます3. する > できる > できます & くる > こられる > こられますNote the difference in the following sentences:図書館に行く (I will go to the library.)図書館に行きます (I will go to the library.) (same meaning, but the clause ending verb is in polite conjugation)図書館に行ける (I can go to the library.)図書館に行けます (I can go to the library.) (same meaning, but the clause ending verb is in polite conjugation)
>>739195360the crabs in the bucket hate you
>>739184059ive not seen any evidence that vns or jrpgs have anything good enough to offer worth that much of my life. just seems like a fetish
>>739204135Is he saying something along the lines of having sex with someone of a certain race/tribe and is asking how much would it cost for him to fuck that one in your party?
>>739184059I memorized all the Hiragana and Katakana and then just gave up.
>>739184059>"play" text heavy gamesthat is called reading
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>>739208421I'll kanjify it, see if you can read this>ある種族は仲間同士を合体させる能力を持っているんだと (噂を聞いている)>可愛い子ちゃんと「合体」出来るんなら、いくら出してもいいね、ウヒヒ
>>739184162Anon, have you tried playing anything that isn't from the goyim trio of SE, crapcom and sega, which have been glorified westoid companies since the PS2?
>>739185941Ironically enough you can probably tell an AI to summarize chinkslop and the end result will be better than trying to read the original.
>>739188087Unironically 90% of the difficulty comes from the westoid mentality.Once you try to think in japanese and manage to do so, everything becomes so piss easy that people actually start acting like generic filler villains in isekai thinking you are cheating or lying somehow.Assuming you manage to start thinking in japanese today it's doable to be near-fluent by the end of the year.
>>739189120given the shitskin horde im not sure any of these aside from rusky cyka will be around by the end of the decadeand the dota 2 language is not worth learning
>>739184059I learned how to make MTL tools and plugins work instead.
>>739187892Japanese is easy to learn if you started out learning similar languages.Just as English is a pain in the ass for the Japanese to learn, Japanese is a pain in the ass for English speakers to learn.It's like programming languages, if you start with something like python, you find it easier to learn other languages similar to it (syntactically) than it would be to learn something like LISP or x86 assembly, while starting with the latter would make learning the former a bit more jarring.
It can't be helped
>>739213198Oh no an expression. Jisho isn't helping. Why Japanese people!
After confidently learning about 900 kanji in the span of 4 years, all of them I can recognize perfectly with multiple readings I have to say that Anki works and ankideniers might be the biggest fucking retards ngmi on planet earth lmao. The easiest gateway into learning kanji and vocab is anki, I would be some n5 like all duolingo cucks if I hadn't came across anki early on. I don't understand the very idea of forcing yourself into immersion to learn vocab like conceptually. I was under the impression that to learn a language you need to already have a huge interest for the culture of said language, your daily life should be immersion but apparently many people who want to learn japanese only play jp games with eng dub for some fucking reason?I picked up japanese to understand jp shoegaze bands lyrics, I listen to jp music every single day of my life in the last 9 years but without Anki I would have never go out of my way to learn vocabulary.Everyone who watches anime will pick up vocab eventually by sheer repetition, common shit like animal names or honorifics but if they wanted to go deeper into the language they'd think just pulling up a dictionnary while watching shows would be boring as fuck, and they are right. Give them Anki for a couple of month, they will build a basic fundation of the language that looking up word in dictionnary will become second nature and afterwards, stop reading subs entirely.
>>739184162I don't believe you, chud. Japan is a moderately political country. If you think a game can't address issues of humanitarianism or any of the things Americans consider “socialism,” you're just as extreme as the trannies and you're part of the problem.
>>739184059where do I even start? just learning to read/write kana?
>>739213198Owari da...
>>739184059Everything worthwhile gets translated.You wasted years of your life to score NEETpoints
>>739214785Your first step should be to learn hiragana. Then katakana.
>>739194360OK. Lets go with a kanji to english pun.聖闘士星矢Saint Seiya.Deliberately forcing 聖闘士, Sei Tou Shi to SAINT. And Sei ya. 星矢 Ya from yari. Sei from stars, which appear in loads of astrological and chunni shit.
>>739215751>implying that even talented and diligent translators can translate works without losing any meaning>implying that any meaningful portion of JP-EN translators are talented, diligent, or even benevolent
>>739215751Translate THIS, nerd
>>739217175I'm gonna grape you in the mouth
Anons, help a gaikokujin out. Ive been using physical flash cards for vocab, but im at the point where theres so many(3k+) i need to digify them. How do I into anki? Ive tried installing it and downloading packs before, but nothing ever shows up in the app. It just stays empty and useless. Also im currently N3. Are there any major grammar hurdles on my way to N2 or is it really just vocab and kanji at this point?
>>739219147Did you import the packs to Anki?
>>739219669Does it not automatically download them to the app? How would I go about importing them.......as a phoneposter?
>>739217175Uhhh... Budou means grape
>>739217175On account of kung fruit.
>>739216174That's not a pun. That's ateji. 聖闘士 can't be read as セイント, so we know that this an arbitrary reading assigned to the characters.Also 矢 means "arrow." It's not short for 槍 (spear). I'm not even sure how you can misinterpret that.
>>739184059Djt thread >Learning Japanese >When you can just use AI to translate Lol Lmao
>>739220642100% this. AI can translate perfectly.
>when even porn stars have learned Japanese
>>739184059any porn of this chick?
>>739184997i cant stand chink dog yapping like language>>739184059i don't like how nip soundits better than gook or chink but i still have no liking to it
>>739210638>Once you try to think in japaneseI like sex with women and don't like to be overworked drone that is two steps from suicide so I would prefer not
>>739210638Thinking in Japanese takes a lot of study to understand how to interpret the ideas and grammar.
>>739220731Yes but you can't see the uncensored version until you've learned Japanese.
>>739210638>hard thing becomes easy when you get good at itwhoa
>>739222239He's not saying that. He thinks that if you just "think in Japanese," then you'll understand the language. He doesn't realize that Japanese vocab and syntax require dedicated study.
>>739222118gottaa go fap aagaint now thank s
>>739184162Fpbp
>>739186557name of this beautiful future bride for a Nigerian or Hindu migrant worker?
japanese is a dead language, with a dying culture behind it thats being packed up and sold to appeal to amerigoblin mutt teenagers. the ship sank over a decade ago
>>739222589It's very much alive, but only Japanese people speak it, so its practical application is limited.
>>739194220>play indie roguelike metroidvania slop then
>>739222707>only 120 millions speak itSeems pretty reasonable, many people learn language with far less speakers than this.You could say>the only place you'll be speaking it is Japanbut why would you travel anywhere with people speaking spanish but spain?
>>739223376>but why would you travel anywhere with people speaking spanish but spain?Well, there's Mexico, Spain, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, etc. etc.Not to mention, these guys form huge diasporas in English-speaking countries, making the language more useful.
>>739184162lamest cope
>>739222589I have been hearing this for 2 decades now and the language that is actually dying is westoidese.Due to the end of the petrodollar and so much of the english internet being shills and bots spamming AIslop, on top of no westoid media being worth learning the language for, means by the end of the decade the default language of the world may be chink or japanese.
