Why didn't Digimon get as popular as Pokémon?
The games were significantly more complicated than the first pokemon ones.
>>739188901Because pokemon had better gamesBecause pokemon set it up so YOU could go on a journeyBecause pokemon had the objectively better theme song
>>739189275>true>true>lol, lmao evenhttps://youtu.be/MuhkUzGAeHAhttps://youtu.be/bjO_MIVLQcE
More consistent and accessible games (when it mattered early on)Easier to get into and had the boom first to ride the waveSimpler designs which makes it easier for kids to draw and share Worse anime but kids don't care too muchEvery name ending in -mon is fucking stupid
>>739189365There is no universe where repeatingDigimon digital monster. Digimon are the championsOver and over beatsI wanna be the very best
>>739188901Porn addiction wasnt a real thing back then
>>739188901>why? because of the retarded evolution lines that made no sense and could even make your digimon turn into a literal piece of shit if you fuck something up.
>>739189886he didn't post the retarded american version though, I agree with him that the japanese versions are much better than pokemon's
>>739188901It was too cool and high test.
I don't get why the digimon games in many cases just completely fail to capture the feel of the anime, it always reverts to mechanics and other stuff that nobody likes.
>>739188901pokemon came first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucnnfUr4tsPokémon can't even compete.
>>739190290Pretty much this and the fact that pokemon had a massive media blitz when it released.
>>739188901Digimon is for smarter kids, which means it won't be as popular.
>>739188901Nothing is as popular as pokemon, not even sex.
One of the big things that separated Digimon's anime from Pokemon at least to me was that the Digimon partners were actual characters and not just disposable animals, yet the games mostly don't do that. Also, like another anon mentioned I also hated the nonsense evolution structure and thought it made things less interesting and unique because multiple lines could just path into being the same thing. I also really hated a lot of the end evolutions, even more so than some third form Pokemon I don't like because it just totally fucks the aesthetic.
>>739190032Why would you post anything other than American on this Guatemalan Tax Preparation site?
>>739190279because to do that you would have to make it an action RPG and have the evolutions be tied to super meters or special boss battles.
>>739189365Brave Heart wasn't even the opening theme.
>>739188901Pokemon did it first, so to all that came afterward they were perceived as knockoffs. Even if digimon is superior, no one’s gonna give it the time of day because “why would I bother with a ripoff when the real thing is right there?”Same reason why indie games spoof games/series that are dead or have gone to shit, because no one bothers with store brand when the name brand is sitting right next to it on the shelf
>>739188901Bandai's retarded marketing that achieved either nothing or didn't achieve ANYTHING combined with horrible butchering of the anime into the English dub.Good thing that lately Digimon is gaining more attention while Pokemon is forever stuck with the same people that were with it when it first appeared.
>>739190862you're delusional if you think pokemon doesn't get new fans every day.
>>739190317The music itself makes it feel like it's out of a Megaman/Rockman game.
>>739190958Sure. But how many every day and for how long till they decide Pokemon isn't for them?
>>739188901Digimon felt less grounded with the weird evolutions. Pokémon does better world building as well. I like how they broke the 4th wall in the first season though (if I remember correctly).
>>739189906digimon can wear casual clothes?
>>739190317call me again when Digimon has the balls to make an ED song like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8UHXGY-_BU
>>739191115Yep. Archnemon even has a human form with a fancy outfit.
>>739189886Butter-Fly > I Wanna Be The Very Best
>>739191115yes
>>739191034good thing when they decide that there will already be a new generation just getting into it.
I’ve tried getting into Digimon before and each time I’m held back. So it’s a monster-partner series, like Pokémon, Bakugon, or even Yu-Ghi-Oh, yet each of the monsters are their own individual person? How does that work? There’s the 7 Dark Lords representing each sin, but is each one a separate species? Does that mean there’s infinite Lilithmon or Chronomon? Secondly the power scaling is absolutely retarded. Why are so many of them literal Gods? How does you quantify their power when each one can rend the universes arsehole in two?Finally, the designs are so inconsistent. I had a look at the Digimon from Time Stranger, and some are intricate humanoids with armour plating, celestial ornaments and regal looks, and others are six legged trees with faces or trains with eyes on the front.
>>739189365>murricans were robbed of this
>>739191175>I Wanna Be The Very Bestthanks for proving that you guys never heard the japanese version of Pokémon songs.
I'm aware this is not the primary reason, but the awful dub greatly damaged Digimon's potential and it still bears these scars today.
>>739188901>don't you want digimon to get popular like pokemonNo.
>>739191172>>739191253sweet, i want a neet lilithmon >>739189906
A lot of them just become humans for final evolutions?
>>739189935This was a mistake. So was the fact that they often revert back to earlier stages. So was the focus on one partner and not capturing and collecting many. These factors aren’t present in every game, but the series alone is enough to make one feel like that’s the Digimon formula. Pokemon gives you a starter partner who you have a particularly special bond with, but you can also go out and catch absolutely everything else. The evolutions make sense and are permanent and impactful. I also just generally think people prefer fantasy to sci fi.
>>739189886man, i forgot that shit was your opening for the entirety of adventure. my only point of contact was them using that trash for the movie.meanwhile we had a glorious german translation of butterfly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQlSrXHN2LASomehow it feels like this dude sang like every fucking german version of anime openings. or every male singer back then went for the exact same voice.
>>739188901Because the monsters suck
>>739188901As an ancient Digifag who has been a fan since 1997, I can explain. Though making a genuine reply on 4chan in 2026 is probably a mistake.>Pokemon started as a Capsule Monsters, which was inspired by Ultraman and Bug Fighting.>Digimon started as a virtual pet simulator, as a "boy's Tamagotchi".>Both franchises had an amazing first season of anime.>Pokemon games remained consistent, despite everyone saying Gen1 Pokemon was a buggy mess, 90s kids at the time didn't give a fuck.>Digimon released DW1, while it's one of my favorite games ever, it's a jank shitshow.>Digimon then had the bright ideas to change genres into a dungeon crawler and then again into a standard rpg.>Pokemania took off. Cards, merch, ect.>Digimon held on but didn't have as strong as a foodhold in the west.>Playground bullshit created the "Digimon is just a cheap Pokemon knockoff" ideology. >Digimon holds it's own with very cutting edge technology at the time, taking advantage of online features on the V-pets long before Pokemon.Lets fast forward a bit.>SEGA wanted to merge with Bandai, pulls out and contributes to the franchise's loss of traction.>Toy sales taking a huge hit, not exclusive to Digimon. >enter Digimon Frontier, the most controversial season of the anime.>Disney bought Fox Family/Saban (the company that was dubbing Digimon)>Frontier ends up being a shitshow.>Digimon loses the race against Pokemon.>No shame in it, because Pokemon goes on to be the highest grossing franchise in the world.Fast forward again.>Super autistis (such as myself) returned to Digimon in the DS era with Dawn/Dusk.>CS boosts Digimon back into "niche jrpg relevancy".>Time Stranger brought Digimon back into mainstream, for now.I want both franchises to coexist and I hate the fandom wars.
>>739191478The Japanese Pokemon theme is less good than the English one.
>>739189365>brave heartFor me it was it was the Angemon vs Devimon fight, hyperventilating and running to the bathroom so my parents wouldn't hear me.
>Digimon actually talk and can be communicated with easily>Pokemon can only screech or repeat their name (depending on game vs anime)>Digimon can be characters or animals (or objects or gods etc) in nature>Pokemon are supposedly animal in nature and feel awkward when they're forced as anything else e.g. aspects of god>Digimon have their own world with its own internal logic>Pokemon are haphazardly thrown into the real world and never properly explained (do people eat Pokemon, do regular animals coexist with them etc)>a shit Digimon design/concept can safely be ignored in future game/anime installments or fixed at will>a shit Pokemon design/concept forever mars the Pokedex>introducing new Digimon is painless and always makes sense>introducing new Pokemon doesn't make sense as it turns out they've been unheard of anywhere but in the region they're from>companion Digimon are partners and can digivolve back and forth>companion Pokemon are pets and are stuck with their shitty forms forever once they evolve>Digimon art style had high test hard black grunge shadows and lines and vivid colors>Digimon art style had gay soiful soft and meek pastel watercolorsDigimon was just too good for the goyslop loving masses
>>739191478>>739192172Yeah, even the movies OST are trash, though if I recall correctly there is one or two that is good, maybe even better than the dub.And I say this as a hueweeb.
>>739192232Why do Digifags hate pets so much?
lol
>>739192345Yeah bro just check my dog.
it broke up too many marriages
>>739192232Genuinely can't tell if this is bait or delusion. Well done.
>>739192451>Image was clearly made by someone who only played cyber sleuth.
>>739192482Answer the question Digifag.Why do you always present Pokemon vs Digimon as Pets vs Partners? Do you think humans have no respect or appreciation for animals?
>>739191441you've tried to get into it several times but the only series you've tried to watch is season 5? are you kinda retarded?
For the same reason Yu-gi-oh didn't get as popular as Pokemon despite being artistically much more interesting.Pokemon is cute and appeals to EVERYONE.
>>739192698Also because Yugioh has always been awful as an actual game It's at its best in spinoffs that ignore the rules.
>>739192698well, maybe they shouldn't have invented new mechanics for every fucking season.
>>739189081fpbp
>>739192451Yuugo isn't really your rival.Do you ever actually fight him? I can't remember.Arata has way more of a rival role in the later half.>>739192598nta but their most promiment toylines are called v-pets? so yeah, digimon are pets. Just with a slightly higher intelligence.Like a parrot vs. a dog.
>>739189275Based!
>>739188901Pokémon found a winning formula early on(games, anime, tcg) and has stuck to it consistently for decades now while digimon experimented a lot for better or worse. Pokémon is stale as fuck now so I prefer the later. Not to mention Time Strangers looks better than any Pokémon game released in the past decade despite being the most profitable franchise in the world.
>>739192753It doesn't matter at all how good the game actually is. You need the traction and long term engagement from normies. Once you got it then you can just rewrite your way through and make it profitable LONG TERM.>>739192805Mechanics don't matter so much either. Removing Yugi from the story did destroy the longevity of Yugioh as a franchise because normies can't just turn the TV on and watch same old Yugi/Kaiba/Joey do stuff with their kids now, it's too different now.But even before that one choice, Yugioh designs look like pic related. They're not cute.
>Why didn't Digimon get as popular as Pokémon?Didn't have close to the footprint or quality gamewise and Saban largely just bungled the property.
>>739188901Because its monsters (the most important part of a creature collector) suck complete ass. Mediocre designs with terrible names.
They all have extremely retarded namesPikachu vs ToySaddlerMon o algo
>>739192816>their most promiment toylines are called v-petsdigivices are more popular than vpets I am pretty sure. Which are the electronic toys you shake/have a pedometer. the digivice toys are aiming to mimick anime stuff and coincide the anime and other series being more story and shit focused.Usually they don't really introduce anything new.vpets are basically the core the franchise and where a significant amount of digimon are released or first shown. Not to say other media doesn't introduce digimon, but vpets are the core of it. vpets are not the most popular thing though.
>>739188901Kill yourself, I want to talk about Digimon without Pokémon coming up. It's always the same 5 reasons over and over again. Do you not tire of this? The pokefags barely have an idea what they're talking about half the time. They just repeat shit they heard other pokefags say about Digimon without context.
>1000 monsters with similar names>Even fans forget half of them I think you'd have to be retarded to do this.
>>739193069you forgot>a good chunk of them are recolors.
AnimeMonster Rancher > Digimon (Pre-Tamers) > Dragon Quest > PokemonGamesDragon Quest Monsters (less Joker) > Monster Rancher (1-2) > Pokemon (~R/S) > Monster Rancher (Rest) > Pokemon (Rest) > DQM Joker > Digimon
>>739193223They're calling him the most tasteless man alive
>>739192232>>>companion Digimon are partners and can digivolve back and forthOnly in the anime. In the real shit, like the virtual pets, they stay in that form until they evolve or die.
>>739192598Maybe because ton of digimon are fully sapient you dumb fuck.
>>739192540It's actually even worse than that because the person didn't play cyber sleuth either.Yuugo is not a rival.The image wanks signatures moves but doesn't discuss how the rest of moves look.Presents blue cube environments as a good thing when too much of the game looks like that.And the story is just cutscene hell, wordswordswordswords and blatant filler.It's unironically scam advertising.
I got filtered by how overused and overshilled all the humanoid Digimon tend to be. It's only cool when they are uncommon, but then almost everything strong is a guy in armor or girl in cosplay and that's just boring to me.
>>739193295Don't be so hard on yourself.
>>739193326>really like Beelstarmon on the Digivice X>*must* evolve her into Diaboromon lest she dieWhy can't I have a cute digital wife in the core product line? I would have bought the one with Liltihmon as the final form had it not been sold out everywhere.
>>739193425>Maybe because ton of digimon are fully sapient you dumb fuck.And? You think it's a bad thing Pokemon aren't. You think it's a bad thing Pokemon are pets.
>>739193796pokemon are canonically all p-zombies
Pokemon was operated as a business with a future.Digimon was just a vessel to sell toys.Digimon is peak slop. Like wow is that War GreyMon but BLUE? Whoooooooooa a white Devimon! Oh is that Mechachrononiggerdoomsdaymon? My fav!
>>739188901I blame renamon
>>739193773Vpets are kind of lousy unless you only care about certain megas.
>>739194161The Godzilla ones are pretty nice.
>>739193796NTA, but let me put it like this. In Pokémon, it feels like they can't decide between being animals or not. Digimon also has a thing where a lizard can graze for an hour, then hit its 9-5. But in Digimon, it feels like the animals are in a world like whatever that recent movie Hoppers was doing. I dunno, I haven't seen it, but they're both animals and in a society with an economy and laws. Handled in a way where it feels like Digimon knows what digimon are. Unlike Pokémon, where it feels like it's confused sometimes.>>739193854The virus metalgreymon came first. You retard.
>>739188901digimon is a bad IP carried entirely by how good the original digimon adventure was because a bunch of extremely talented people happened to be working on what was otherwise very typical kodomo-slop for the time.there's about 10 anime series, people talk about 2 of themthere's about 60 games, people talk about maybe 4 of them and one of those is just an adaption of adventure
>>739188901The games are difficult for people to get in even though the world series is among my favorite in Digimon and quit charming.
>>739194409Who the fuck talks about the Adventure PSP game? I never saw a soul say it was good.
>>739193326Multiple games let you evolve them back and forth
>>739194505Yeah, but I don't want them to exist.
>>739194505true, but it's mostly the story/DS games that expects you to evolve up and down the evolution trees to collect different skills and shit. And even then it is because you decided to evolve them back and not because they are tuckered out or combat is now over.I think only Digimon world 3 did it similar to the anime where they only evolve for combat but then revert back to rookie form when following you around on the overworld.
>>739188901Shit games even by jrpg standards and only 4 good seasons of the anime.
>>739194372Digimon behave like your usual fantasy beastmen, anime showcase this quite well.Pokemon are animal/yokai replacements.
>>739194372>animals or notWell, they're explicitly not animals.In the future, they'll go about rebuilding civilization after humanity fucks up the world.
>>739190650Because the American version is dogshit, like everything coming from america tends to be
>>739189886>That absolute piece of shit that is the american intro song for Digimon.I pitty you. But at the same time I think you deserve it.
sex with fumamon
>>739196542Sneed is a massive jobber so he probably can
>>739195990Yeah, they're replacing animals and yo-kai at the same time. And it isn't a thing where these Pokémon are animals, and these ones are yo-kai. A lot of them are both, and it feels confusing every once in a while.
>>739191827Good ol' Frank Schindel, dude sand the most famous intros, Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Detektiv Conan, pretty much all RTL II heavy hitters. Even went on tour back then singing just anime songs.
>>739188901Good things don't often become hyper popular.At most you might get some spotlight before the aggressively jingling keys captures the normalfags attention.
>>739196526Fuma is cool
>>739200448cute and cool!
>>739196542I hope we get SneedMilenniummon in the DLC
>>739192451>rival starts with pokemon weak to yoursThis is so gay. Also, rivals no longer being real rivals absolutely sucks.
>>739202248everything about nupokemon sucks, it's a dead series
>>739188901It's obsession with poop. It's fucking gross.
>>739202421what do you mean?
>>739188901No mainline series to get attached to.Pokémon has the mainline games as its core and everything else branches out form there.Digimon has mainline nothing and it's constantly reinventing itself
>>739202516>Digimon has mainline nothing and it's constantly reinventing itselfThis is probably what hurt Digimon, not having a main "thing", they're always poking into different niches without having something to fall back on.They're been course corrected really well lately with cybersleuth and time stranger though. I think we'll see Story being the mainline and some other stuff like World occasionally.
frontier is goodxros wars is goodsimple as
>>739202715Story and World are both technically mainline now because outside of those two formulas all you really have that's modern is Survive.
>>739202835Bouncing between Story, World and trying something new sometimes would be a great strategy (digimon musou, a mech-like game such as Armored Core where you play as Blitzgreymon and other fast guys.)
Pokemon was simple and straightforward, and nailed its gameplay on the first go and has just been refining and tweaking it since.The early Digimon games were too obtuse and grindy for the average kid to put up with (See: All those stories of ending up with a Numemon), and they couldn't decide what the fuck they even wanted to be and were genre hopping all over the place with no identity.>okay so we're a v-pet sim with an open-ish world to explore>no wait now we're Mystery Dungeon>now we're an actual Pokemon knockoff>oh wait wait what if we were Gauntlet instead
>>739202835I kinda want to try all the new Digimon games. Cybersleuth is cool but I feel like it was designed more for mobile because I'm pretty sure it's a remastered PS Vita game.
>>739203312Don't really get why they did this, when they could have made themselves into Palword but 20 years earlier.
>>739203557Time Stranger is Cybersleuth but made for console and fixes a lot of things from CS.But it was in development for 10 years and some aspects of it show.It can only get better from here. I loved CS and TS a lot so I'm excited for whatever else they make.
>>739203312>refiningi dunno about that but yeah its simple and straight foward
>>739203853"digimon are youkai" always works thematically, so hopefully they'll do a Ghost Game heavy one
>>739203853Did they crack this game without the hypervisor shit ?I want to get into Digimon, but I shan't be supporting denuvo slop.
>>739203956I love that they kept it ambiguous whether the human world influenced digimon development, or digimon influenced human mythology.>>739204031I dunno I played it on my ps5.
>>739203669I assume what happened was that at first, they adapted the virtual pets since that was the main part of Digimon at the time. But because the anime was so big and different, people complained about the V-Pet games not being like the show, and also being rough around the edges. (DW1 really needed a sequel that was made by the same team) So they tried to course correct, and shit went tits up. >>739204031Play the PS1 games then. Or get a virtual pet because I really doubt they have anti-piracy software.
>>739188901I liked digimon and was actually able to enjoy the anime when I was a kid compared to pokemon. Digimon's games are just so bad compared to Pokemon though
>>739203956I think the next Time Stranger DLC was supposed to be focussed on Gammamon, so there's that.
>>739188901Digimon Colon was such a travesty. It could have been so good if the writing didn't suffer because of Covid, and the forced "Taichi (Ash) and Agumon must be in every single episode" shit.
>>739204754my siblings and i came to the agreement that pokemon had the best games, digimon had the best show, and yugioh had the best cards
Digimon thread detected, post your partners.
>>739188901>bad anime>bad games>bad TGC(s)>no good merchandise>absolutely everything between all of these were inconsistent>only decent and memorable things were their Tamagotchi-like things that weren't popular with adultsYou'd honestly wonder how the fuck it managed to survive as long as it has.I've heard that Digimon is starting to get its shit together, making better games and a decent anime, but it's also 25 years behind Pokemon. The vast number of people who initially liked Digimon have moved on due to its poor quality, and kids now aren't interested in something their PARENTS were watching. They might get some attention from some random kids at this point, but it's going to be hard for Digimon to take off, even if Pokemon anime currently sucks.Also, they're trying to sell to kids and NOT put it on the Switch? What, do they think little Timmy is getting a $999 PS5 Pro for Christmas?
>>739188901Digimon are computer programs in a virtual world but Pokemon share a world with humans so there's more worldbuilding and slice of life.
>>739205005Is that ghost girl a real Digimon?
>>739205005terriermon has always been my favorite, but i don't care for pretty much anything he grows into
>>739205113no
>>739189365https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehoaPNSIC0U>best OP used on the worst seasonwhy must life be like this
>>739205113No if I can't find a good thematic evolution I use NAI to make one and not disclose that because i'm an ass who thinks that's funny.
>>739205312Kokeshimon-> Karakurumon-> Kaguyamon would be the "canon" path
>>739205005Used him in time stranger, they're all so cool.
>>739205112I don't see how things are related. When it comes to this kind of conversation, I feel people like you will just say any damn reason to explain why Digimon didn't make Pokémon money. You fucks would say, Agumon is a shade of yellow that's not as bright as Pikachu and just a little more orange, so he's a bad mascot, and digimon is bad because of that. The real reasons have already been posted, so you have to say inane retarded ones in order to feel smart or something.>>739205143SaintGalgomon is the best and you're lame if you don't like it.
And yet another thread where digifags seethe about Chademon.
>>739205143I like Rapidmon and GoldRapidmon but I wish their special move involved using their cannon arms or back cannons instead of T-posing at the enemy.
>>739205691why would i want my cute rabbit to turn into a mecha? the lopmon line matches way better what i would prefer
>>739205821But it's a dog becoming a tetsujin 28. The more guns it has, the better it is.
>>739191441Let's say I have an Agumon, there are many Agumon out there but I have this specific Agumon which let's say is a cowardly Agumon even if I evolve my Agumon all the way to something like Zeedmillenniummon it is still going to be that one digimon I had as a cowardly Agumon, probably not as cowardly anymore because the thing is a metaphysical outerversal primal force of destruction.The point is that I can spawn this literal omnicide monster that exists everywhere and nowhere at the same time across all dimensions and timelines but this specific one is my partner and different from other Zeedmillenniummons out there.
looking back on it, it's kinda silly how hard everyone (from kids on the playground to execs in a board room) tried to push digimon as a pokemon killer, or as something that was even fighting on the same battlefield as it.Sure they both have weird monsters, but one's analogous to a kid going around town collecting all the cool bugs he can find while the other's going for an "A boy and his dog" thing.
>>739205958That only happened with the kids who couldn't convince their parents to buy them pokemon
>>739205112Eh, it depends on the setting. In adventures and Beatbreak, they're another form of their humans.
>>739205925no good. the rookie form is just too disconnected from the rest of the line. it's weird, too, it doesn't feel like any of the rest of the tamers crew are like that, they mostly had an obvious connected theme all the way down
>>739206106So your digital form can be a pile of shit?
>>739206248many such cases
>>739188901Waited too long to introduce the 8ft tall yandere catgirl amazon
hahaha she's so short.
>>739206248Yes.
>>739206356Damn subs didn't get captured, mea culpa.
>>739206386Imagine...
pokemon designs are simpler and easier for children to draw.
>>739205005Flamedramon will always be my bro.
>>739206220Galgomon is just American Terriermon, and SaintGalgo still has the same ears and ranged weaponry thing going on. Only Rapidmon feels disconnected because it lacks the bulk that the other two have. It should've had a new form that wasn't the gold dumbbell from the movie, but with a new paint job.
>>739188901The original game was a shitty virtual pet while the original Pokémon was a simple to okay hard to master JRPG with a amazing battle system.
>>739206483definitely not
>>739188901The important thing is it is better. Quality does not equal quantity. Digimon is better off being Japan and Spanish speaking countries focused. English speaking countries are to dishonest and corporate. They will demand global audience and kill it. Digimon is Japanese and should stay Japanese. That’s why it is beloved.
>>739188901Isekaislop just wasn't popular in the 90s. people had too much hope for the future back then.
>>739205005Gotsumon/Golemon has always been my favorite since I had a toy when i was a kid but it's hard to find a good line for him if you don't like volcamonCometmon is an appmon but it's literally a giant planet shaped golemon, it suits meteormon too well not to use.
>>739206741You're saying that like Inuyasha wasn't around at the time.
>>739206356
>>739206741you think 90s japan was more hopeful than the late 00s?
>>739206567>hard to master JRPGBro, it's just remembering that fighting types are weak against the birds. What is there to master?>>739206580No, Digimon are way more detailed across the board. The only way you can make that argument is by getting pretentious and asking, " Does easier to draw mean it's easier to get something on model, or how off model you can get before it gets unrecognizable? "
>>739206824they should just make another gotsumon recolor for Mega to complete the joke
>>739205005My one true digiwife.
>>739207006>Goes from cyber knight to some shitty as jetfuck, Beat Breaks evos have been trash.
>Finish Time Stranger>Realize that one scene at the beginning had you (Aegiomon) meet up with Inori who is looking for Aegiomon while getting chased by Aegiomon at at the top of the tower Jupitermon (you(Aegiomon)+Aegiomon combined) shows up to defend you from Aegiomon only to wind up in the digital world where Aegiomon gets chased by Aegiomon and knocks the Aegiomon egg back into the human world.
>>739206996?What is there to master?The combat? Team building? Memorizing all of the types? Then again, I've been pvping in Pokemon for decades. I hope Up has some form of pvp.
>>739207123whamon?
>>739207151Well, he was kill himself at the time so there's that.
>>739188901Pokemon is simple and consistentup until recently the games were generally the same formula and so was the animethe games are baby simple and the crummy pokemon creatures are easy to draw and their evolution are easy to followA turns into B and then into C(with some variations)Digimon is a lot of things. they were tamagotchi, which is a slightly harder sell than baby's first mon collector/rpg.every other anime is different and they and the games can radically change what a digimon is or what their relationship with humans is or how they evolveand digimon can also just turn into almost anything. the anime tries to keep them simple and pokemon-esque but sometimes your little chud will turn into a giant Angel with a staff or something is getting 7 guns and some belts
>>739188901I just watched the anime, and I can say, definitely, one of the factors is that the digimon talk too. in pokemon, the monsters just say their name, that's way less information to process for kids.
>>739207217he wants the Skitty/Wailord experience
>>739206580Anon, don't lie to ourself.
>>739188901One started out as Tamagotchi for boys while the other allowed any kid with a gameboy to journey across a region and create their own team of monsters. I never met a soul who owned any Digimon game despite so many of my peers watching the anime at the time; meanwhile my friends and I were trading Pokemon at school and trying to figure out how to get Mew. And this is from an era where I was the only kid that didn't have a PlayStation, I've never seen nor heard anybody talk about Digimon's video games, card games, whatever.
Digimon is much less universal. You only get a Digimon if you're chosen by destiny, while anyone can be a Pokemon trainer
>>739207217Whamon a cute.
>>739207367Half the quests in Time Stranger and CS are like that>Here's MURDERRAPEMON, he's sad because he wants to try Teriyaki Chicken but doesn't have any money! Will you get some for him?
>>739207389That's not how that works. Hell by the end of 02, everyone manifested their Digimon partner around this year or so if I recall. I will say that some times Digimon like to make partnership special like need to have a compatible digisoul in savers.
>>739188901Digimon had the anime and pokemon everything else, sadly
>>739207704Season 1 of the pokemon anime was better than season 1 of the digimon anime.
>>739207389>Digimon is much less universal. You only get a Digimon if you're chosen by destiny,That's retarded.>Digimon season 1: every kid who witnessed the two digimon duking it out gets given Digimon that align with their best qualities, these are made by human-like scientists in the digital world desperate to have someone save them.>Season 2: everyone gets a digimon at the end.>Season 3: Complete coincidence pretty much.>Season 4: Anyone who got on the train gets their phone turned into a digivice. Some kids outside of the main characters partnered up with an Angemon but had to get sent back because of how dangerous things were getting.>Cybersleuth: anyone can buy a digimon, or multiple.>Time stranger: anyone can partner up with digimon if you meet them.The "digidestined" thing was purely a dub thing.
>>739207172Memorizing all the types is the series main form of depth for 80% of it. They're games for 5-year-olds. They're excessively simple by design. That's why you don't control more than 1 Pokémon at a time. They're simple, so people who don't know why buffs are good can figure out how to play.Pokémon is the JRPGs that people who don't like JRPGs play for a reason.>>739207301How in the actual fuck is that a factor? Did the digimon even talk that much? Out of the Adventure Cast, only Gommamon is a character. They don't even say much beyond gags the majority of the time. There's barely anything to process beyond "haha he doesn't know what microwave is".
>>739207389>You only get a Digimon if you're chosen by destinyThat's only true sometimes.Other times in like Tamers, you just have to meet a Digimon and bond with them.
>>739189886I'm so glad latin america got the japanese intros, whenever I looked up Digimon videos and that atrocity of a song came up it made me gag. that and adding "we're the kids of america" to the movie was also cringe
>>739207367It doesn't matter how edgy and powerful a digimon gets they still behave somewhat silly and enjoy simple stuff like eating and chilling around with their partner.
>>739207836>Some kids outside of the main characters partnered up with an Angemon but had to get sent back because of how dangerous things were getting.I remember reading a theory that those kids were supposed to be the generals they fought in the first half before that got scrapped and frankly that would have made much more sense
>>739207994>I remember reading a theory that those kids were supposed to be the generals they fought in the first half before that got scrapped and frankly that would have made much more senseI thought so too. There was the perfect number of them+1 girl to be Lanamon.Would have been cool if they were humans all along and had to get sent home on the train after being humiliated.
>>739207789I wanna hear your explanation for why you think it's better than Adventure. I can't be unbiased, I grew up on digimon way more than pokemon (I did have the games but I was never a fanatic of the franchise, it was just another thing I played with like bionicles or beyblades) so of course I hold Adventure in particular in high esteem.
>>739190317Wtf is right wing about Tamers?
>>739188901Digimon has a long story of trying games but never finding its place. And other form of media wasn't very spread outside Japan.At least not until Cyber Sleuth in my opinion. That was the first step in a better direction.
>>739208250they did a CD drama or some shit in 2019/2020 where the villain turned out to be, literally, fake news and cancel culture. fansubbers and twitter/reddit had a shitstorm
>>739208250The guy wrote for it later made a radio stage play about the Tamers cast fighting cancel culture.>>739208318I disagree. I absolutely despise Cyber Slueth.
>>739206220how is a dog turning into a mecha dog any weirder than a dinosaur turning into a knight?
>>739208380>I absolutely despise Cyber Slueth.We won and you lost.
>>739208318>At least not until Cyber Sleuth in my opinionConsidering Time Stranger and its success, I think Digimon itself realized the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if all the mainline adventure games follow the same format from now on. I still don't think TS is as good as Hacker's Memory, but i think it's a good direction they're going in.
>>739207841Are you autistic?
>>739208529Like you aren't?
>>739207836>>739207849To add;GG's main 3>Hey kiddo, your old man here, so I'm gonna explore the digital world for a while, anyway here's a little brother for you, he's called Gammamon, later.>I really like to listen to you playing music, can we be friends?>ゆ're a fun guy to tease and み likes that だりんぐBB straight up has everyone walking around with what is basically a digimon egg as a pseudo smartphone just waiting to hatch.
>>739208380>I absolutely despise Cyber Slueth.I wouldn't go that far but I never really liked it. Its systems aren't my cup of tea, I don't like how weird the difficulty curve is (basically random battles are a joke but boss fights require a precise build or otherwise you're fucked,) frankly I don't like most games cause your digimon (especially if you have a team of them) feel more like... well, pokemon rather than the kinda digimon you see in the anime.
>>739208490Man, I bet she stinks.
>>739188901Digimon has a hard time landing it with the games and when they do they forgo what works and does something worse also another issue is they introduce new digimon but sometimes never promote them into new titles so you end up with the same roster of the last game.
>>739208573I nailed it
>>739208491I enjoyed Time Stranger a lot. I can't tell if more than Cyber Sleuth/Hackers Memory but I'm glad they hit jackpot with them.And according to people the recent new anime series is good too (haven't watched it).
>>739208225Digimon anime was just really really formulaic. like "new monster this week, who's turn is it to digivolve into a new form and save the day?". It's good for a kodomo anime, but really only by the standards of kdoomo anime. Pokemon anime was still formulaic at times but at lot less predictable. Ash didn't catch new pokemon and add them to his team that regularly, and a pokemon evolving was an actual big deal. The world was actually pretty fun to explore, to the point where "the pokemon world" is still one of the fantasy worlds people would most like to live in. Hell, Ash losing the pokemon league was a genuine surprise for fans, not something people went in expecting. The Pokemon anime's reputation suffers hard from how hard it flanderized itself after the first season or two. If Ash had won the johto league and then had the anime move onto May as the protagonist it'd still be considered one of the all time greats.
>>739208687> you end up with the same roster of the last game.My friend constantly rants about that once it comes to Digimon games.
>>739208636Yeah, it's digimon game where digimon feel like an afterthought half the time. There's way too much focus on the humans in that one. I also hate how it wastes being a digimon detective.
>>739208318>At least not until Cyber Sleuth in my opinion>it took digimon devs 30 years to go "what if SMT but digimon?"
>>739208380And that is fine! One can not like the same than others.
Saban butchered the English Digimon dub meanwhile Pokemon had a pretty good dub, at least for season 1. Digimon was also blatantly made for teens, so when it came to the west it got ridiculously censored.
>>739208626Well said. All hail Jellymon-sama.
>>739208914Not only the Shin Megami Tensei formula but also the artist of Devil Survivor that I personally like and added to the game for me.
>>739208981The s1 dub was way worse than I remembered when I was comparing them. Saban literally could not let there be any quiet moments at all. Someone was ALWAYS quipping.
>>739208981>Digimon was also blatantly made for teensNo Japanese 4-6-year-olds are just hardcore like that. National sensibilities just vary that much.
>>739208981>Digimon was also blatantly made for teensdude, no. it's a kids toy commercial through and through.
>>739209148they also made Mimi a complete retard.
>>739209149guns in japan are as rare as a fictional item like a wand of fireballs, so they don't have to worry about their kids seeing one on TV and then finding it laying on the street and trying it out.
>>739209149>No Japanese 4-6-year-olds are just hardcore like that. National sensibilities just vary that much.This is it. The west has been coddling the kids so they wind up stunted.
>>739208981digimons dub was kino and i will never change my mind on that
>>739209359
>>739208847The Digimon anime was meant for an older audience. It had themes of grief, betrayal, and confronting your destiny. But the character designs were still too kiddie for actual preteens who wanted something with more bite. And others have said, the dub was a schizophrenic mess that was sabotaged by its own network.
>>739189906Yes there was, there was a million renemon drawings on the Internet
>>739189081all pokemon game combined*
>>739208847Pokemon is also extremely formulaic. Its just that digimons formula sucks balls. Its the truth. Digiautists in this thread dont understand how much of a difference it makes in a kids show having pokemon constantly repeat their name, trainers repeat their pokemon names, pokemon type system (heuristics) constantly reinforced, all of which synergizes with the games beautifully. New digimon in the anime are just introduced with a caption and their name is mostly used in conversations before being thrown away for next weeks episode. And digimon was forced to add vaccine/data type system since no one gave a shit about learning hundreds of mons with no categories to ground them. Only literal spergs cant see something so obvious.
>>739209415Just because american kids are still shitting their diapers when they're 8 years old doesn't mean the rest of the world is like that.
>>739207006I love Beat Break mons
>>739207851SI TU LO DESEAS PUEDES VOLAR!!!We usually had the good japanese openings and endings with lyrics that matched the beat. Still love the Digimon Adventure, Dragon Ball GT, and Cardcaptor Sakura ones.
nothing is as popular as pokemon. the better question is why did Pokemon become so impossibly popular
>>739209415No it was meant for kids. Its a kids cartoon show made by retards. Yugioh is also a kids show with more mature monster designs like digimon but did much better. Because the management wasnt retarded.
>>739209626wonder what dog shit evolution Wolvermon will get.
>>739209626Sex with both of them
>>739209415lol, lmao even. Digimon has the same target age as magical girl anime, it's for early elementary schoolers, like 7 year olds. Pokemon is pretty upfront with it being for 10 year olds, which is still a young target audience, but not quite as bad as digimon.
>>739209684a massive media blitz that cemented itself into the psyche of just about every human.
>>739209518Yeah, Digimon had no logic to ground the monsters. With Pokemon everything flowed seamlessly. You’re in a forest, so expect grass and bug types. You want to bring a Fire type because fire burns grass. Of course a pigeon is named Pidgey and appears at level 3 right outside your house. Logic that even a five year old could grasp. And don’t even get me started on how nonsensical Digivolution trees are. A
>>739209737The Beatbreak staff strikes me as the type of people who think they're above giving coombait/effeminate monster to the female character, so probably a vaguely mustelid-themed robot with lots of guns
>>739209518>digimon was forced to add vaccine/data type systemthat was introduced pretty early on
digimon games are largely mediocre, like most of them are just meh JRPGs unironically the peak of digimon was Digimon World and Digital Card Battle
>>739188901because it was an obvious knockoff even back then.
>>739209707Digimon could have got 10% of pokemon fan if they didn't hire american retard, yet we are here 30 year later and japanese barely start to care about this shit.They deserve to fail and be poor even if the fanbased catched up with the years
>>739209415>The Digimon anime was meant for an older audienceHere in the states, maybe. I was watching Westerns when I was a kid. You know gunfights, women and kids getting the taste slapped out they mouths, whip cracking and stereotypes ups the ass. My dad used to watch that exact same shit when he was a child. To say kids can't handle shows that talk about abuse and violence and how to deal with it is just dumb, and it's part of the reason kids today are idiots and the current generation of young adults are virtue signaling retards creating shows like Steven Universe.
>>739209737Rapidmon but red and black.
>>739209814Wasn’t there something about them actively looking for people’s reactions on social media?
>>7392097378/10 its gonna be a woman in cosplay as usual.
>>739207006Is the black one female? I'm getting female vibes from her.
>>739210003nope
>>739210028Sad. Guess I'll have to draw my own female one later.
Digimon just needs to learn to embrace its strengths already.
>>739188901Digimon kind of just makes shit up as it goes. Pokemon is almost a hard magic system in that it has clearly defined and easy to understand rules.I mean just compare evolution trees from both games, especially back the 2000s when both franchises were competing.
We're at a point where american kids believe evolution is a straightforward path with no branching evos.
>>739210448That explain how they lose their fucking mind about theory of evolution and how we got to monkey in 2 feet
>>739210252Pokemon evolution be like>tiny lizard —>reptile —> dinosaurDigimon evolution be like>blob —>tiny dinosaur —> big dinosaur —> robot knight —>big robot knight
>digifag trying to blame burgergods for their creators being retards and crashing their brazilian coded franchiselmao
>>739210620and here's a poketroon entering a thread is does not like
>>739210003No, but Chiropomon is extra cuddly. Almost always wrapped in his Tamer's arms.
>>739210818it's a palkek trying to stir up drama
>>739209737Teddy bear -> Wolverine -> Woman with masked eyes -> a gundam.It is the natural order.
>>739210838Yeah, they're absolutely leaving money on the table by not making a lifesize Chiropmon plush.
Digimon, Palworld >>>>>>>> Pokeshit
>>739210913Nobody cares about your game palkek
>>739210853palfriends arent this autisticgo back >>>/vp/
>>739210913B A S E D
>>739210976go back to your forgotten game palkek
>>739210913Palworld is anything but good when so many other open world crafting games do what it does but better least pokemon shines in the monster taming aspect the whole core of it.
>>739210886They're getting smarter about putting out merch, so I wouldn't call it impossible, but they do need to jump on it.Pristimon is already a marketable plushie design, and I'm sure someone will buy Gekkomon.
yu-gi-oh > medabots > beyblade > pokemon > digimon > byakugan
>>739211065what they need to do is add the latest Digimon partners from the anime to their games.
>>739210913cant wait for Palfarm
Give me your Digimon hot takes.
>>739211148Frontier was a decent idea for a season
>>739191441>Secondly the power scaling is absolutely retarded.For some reason, out of all the series, Digimon is really into feeding powerlevel fags.
>>739211148>>739202769
>>739211148Even with all the negatives Digimon World 2 was pretty fun and I hope they remake it someday with better graphics, QoL like faster battles and traversal, and updated Digimon roster. Or just give us a new one with the same kind of gameplay.
>>739211148I think the V-pets are more fun than the actual video games.
>>739191441>Does that mean there’s infinite Lilithmon or Chronomon?technically yeah at least in most games but I think across most series a digimon even reaching the ultimate level is supposed to be pretty rare
>>739211148Liberator was kinda crap. I know it was pretty much just a card game advert but it wouldn't have hurt them to actually put a bit more effort into the character development.
>>739211148-Wolvermon should replace Renamon in popularity just to see what happens.-I can count to ten backwards.-I didn't cry when Wizardmon died.
>>739211148Everything is worse than virtual pets.
>>739192698Yugioh, the card game, is definitely played more than pokemon at this point. Which is largely kept relevant by "collectors" scamming literal children by scalping product.Yugioh, the anime, made the same mistake as digimon. Which was abandoning its original iconic cast for new characters each arc. Pokemon was smart enough to keep ash around long past his relevance, solely for marketing purposes.
>>739211602Well Yugioh as a story (and most importantly a manga) ended up being great because of artistic talent and knowing where to end
>>739211508The franchise peaked with this movie by the way.
>>739192698Yu-gi-oh is a fun show to watch more than it is to actually play it.
>>739211179I watched it for the first time (can't really say "rewatched" when I only caught a handful of episodes at 6 am as a kid) a year and a half ago and honestly, the first half is alright. Not amazing, and honestly not a lot happens, but even outside of my personal attachment to Digimon I watch a lot of 50-something episode Japanese toy commercials. I'm used to these kinda shows having slow builds.The real problem is how the wheels fall entirely off the wagon with the second half. And frankly, even before the Royal Knights drag the show to a screeching halt you have things like them doing next to nothing with Koichi and really the entire rest of the cast. I've never been a fan of when sentai shows become "The Red Show guest starring the rest of the team" and good lord does this suffer from it WAY worse than any Omegamon-related Adventurewank ever could. After a certain point, everyone pretty much only exists to lend Takuya/Kouji their energy.
>>739211687Isn't it better than Pokemon as a card game? I don't know, I don't play either
>>739211148the most retarded thing the digimon community does is misinterpret what renamon said when she said digimon don't have genders
>>739210003He’s Batman.
>>739211750it has too many rules, summoning methods, instant kill card setups, and a bunch of other nonsense for people to really appreciate it.
>>739211641I agree. It was trying to tell an actual story. Arguably pokemon does too until the end of johto:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HRkja3VxQAsh's story should have ended after this scene, but the studio execs made the choice of brand recognition over artistic integrity. Which unfortunately, is why its anime won long term.
>>739209415both wrong. Digimon is for the same group of babies and was a massive success on a dying network. Disney wouldn't buy a flop dub IP and keep it going for years just for its more popular sister series
No new update for the expansion yet?
>>739211750Yugiohs only downside is for some god damn reason its the only TCG without a 'standard' format. Which is a smaller format specifically designed to ease new players into the game. It's actually kind of baffling, as it makes the barrier of entry huge for any new players, who have to learn 30 years worth of cards all at once.
>>739211750pokemon is a pretty bad card game, mostly because of the prize mechanic leading to snowballing and the complete non-existence of interaction on the other player's turn. can't say yugioh is great either, old school YGO is basically "grug have big number grug win game" and modern YGO is just burning a few handtraps until one player gets to play solitaire for ten minutes and win with their combo.If you want a good japanese TCG, just play Duel Masters. Or any of the 10,000 games that took their cues from it (namely the shield system, it's an inversion of pokemon's prize mechanic so instead of rewarding you for winning by letting you win harder, it makes it so the person getting their shit kicked in can have a comeback mechanic.)
>>739211148The Royal Knights were a mistake.
>>739212010god, I haven't thought about Duel Masters in ages.
>>739212010Card games SUCK
why not Medbots, thats what i wanna know.
>>739210913Based, Palchads and Digichads stand as one.
>>739211718it's funny how ya'll continue to bitch about the leaders of sentai-likes being the main character
>>739212125who are you? *shoves you away*
>>739212125No I fucking hate you people.
>>739212110I only have vague memories of some gba? game based on this. It was okay but very confusing.
>>739212000At this point you need a college degree just to be able to play YGO and MTG. Once the current generation of whales moves on, WOTC is in trouble.
>>739212134There's a difference between being the main character and being the only character given any focus or respect within a team dynamic.I could honestly write an entire diatribe about how the endings of Kyoryuger and ToQger exemplify what I mean but that's off topic for this already kinda off topic thread and I don't wanna get into the weeds on a dead franchise anyway.
>>739212125Fuck off
>>739212236Nah, WOTC is fine because they have that standard format. Their only real problem right now is that theyve eroded their own brand identity by turning into fortnite. Which is more of a meta problem and not something actually wrong with the card game. Which is hitting milestones every year.
>>739211750yugioh is in a pretty bad state imo, I feel like around arc-v the card game was just doing to much and by vrains when links were added the game just became completley unfun
>>739210818You lost.
I never understood what the fuck was going on in Digimon but I still watched it I tried giving one of the games a try a few years ago, I think it was Cyber Sleuth. The first half an hour was just a visual novel. If I wanted to waste my time reading mediocre dialog from uninteresting characters I'd play Persona 5 again.
>>739212165>>739212189>>739212291Jealous poketroons who can't stand the two best monster catching genre exponents living in armony.
>>739212202it's feasible we could have IRL medabot fun soon what with AI and making robots but the money that could go to that awesome future goes to Israel and Indians instead.
Which way Digiman?
>>739212394Kill yourself palkek
>>739188901Better more believable designs that appeal to a wider base.Also much fire focused/better games
>>739212415Right.
>>739211902>Arguably pokemon does too until the end of johto:Pokemon was still largely episodic. Digimon and Yu-gi-oh have way more cohesive narratives. Digimon best of all. Even when it's doing a monster of the week thing, it's still blending very good character drama, increasing risks and showing the kids slowly opening up to eachother.
>his country didn't get a dub of the best song I pity youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijWASr2-ivshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4hhbG1TpkE
>>739207836>The "digidestined" thing was purely a dub thing.bro, the term is literally "chosen child/children" in Japanese for the entire Adventure era. They are hand-picked to fight off evil, it's only after 25 in-universe years from 2002, and a convoluted lore reason Toei has yet to explain is why everyone has one
>>739212739https://youtu.be/gIijr0ITla4?si=SA4QzPh8Nlzf-dHvis better
>>739207836they send every kid from the station back because the main characters were proven to be the warriors at that point, dumbass
>>739211148Appmon is pretty neat.
>>739188901None of the girls did it for me like Kasumi.
>>739211602Keeping Ash a kid while his companions regularly aged was quite the choice though.
>>739211148The veemon evolution lines are only liked by turbo faggots.
>>739213081>Kasumi.
>>739213204Brother!
>>739211148The adults working together with children on the programming/raising relationship of Digimon was the greatest aspect of Tamers. I hated the D-Reaper fights for being lame, but the second half of the show was way better than the first half.
>>739211602>Which was abandoning its original iconic cast for new characters each arcYu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters is five seasons and three movies long, retard everything else are different shows outright
>>739211148While I think that Digimon is at it's best when it's being heavy on horror I think that it is catastrophically detracted from by them habitually yelling out their attacks.
>>739211148Break up! > Braveheart
>>739207851>>739209596filteredhttps://youtu.be/XR46WbmYFyQ?is=XbjKunRki8pXwq8R
>>739213717Respectable opinion. Both are very good.
What do tamers do in a combat scenario? Do they just watch their partners fight and only give out pep talks when they're losing or do they command them like Pokemon trainers do?
>>739213213or kasumi-chan as I personally know her as
>>739213842provide support via consumables and cheering them on
>>739213842Depends on the setting and exact rules.Tamers had them doing battle analysis, watching for weaknesses and providing power-ups with the Card Slash early on.In Beatbreak, the ongoing series, they do analysis and occasionally give orders, sometimes provide a distraction, and provide energy via E-Pulse, which seems to be like opening a faucet. Occasionally they'll try to throw hands with the enemy Tamer, but that hasn't worked out well for our heroes very often.
>>739213842Most tamers are hackers, so consumables or whatever they need on cyberspace.Our war game DDOS diablomon for example.
>>739211148Sometimes the Humans are quite sexy too.
>>739191441>Baby -> Child -> AdultAre all common, standard parts of the Digimon life-cycle, there are a metric shit-tonne of Digimon that fall under species of this level.>Perfect / Hybrid / ArmourSignificantly rarer, but you're still expected to see quite a few of them. They're like the smartest or fittest kid in school. Exceptions, but natural ones.>Ultimate / Super UltimateBeings that didn't just perfect themselves, but went beyond their natural limits. There's a small handful of these at any given time. They're usually stuck in some sort of role as powerful and significant beings. Usually as a lord, king, or janny. Demon lords, royal knights, and Godly beings are even rarer, typically there's only one of these depending on the setting; in many cases they can't even exist without spelling the end of a world's life-cycle or putting it at risk.The main problem is that power-creep and flanderisation usually results in more unnecessary ultimates being born, and series/games having way more than they should, reducing the impact. It's silly that ultimates can even be wild encounters.
>>739188901Digimon was trying too hard to be cool. Pokemon appealed to people who liked monsters, but also cute pets, but also just animals with elemental powers but also strange shit like sentient piles of...well muck.>>739189275What even is a Digimon game? The pokemon cames get mocked for being repititive but it's iconic. How many times as the gameplay been parody'd?>walk along>stop, someone has an exclamation mark>super cool screen transition>enemy slides into frame>X wants to battle!>Go Y!>Attack, Bag, Pokemon, Run>Select attack>It's super effectiverepeat over and over. If you've never played a pokemon game (Fucking how at this point?) you know what you're in for. A turn based jpg were you catch and battle monsters that can be a wide range of designs.So again I ask. WTF IS A DIGIMON GAME? How does it play? What genre is it even? What even is a Digimon? Pokemon are pocket monsters. Are Digimon digital monsters? Do we battle with technology? Like this fucking YuGiOH? Or MegaMan Battle Network
>>739214961You type like a faggot. You can't call digimon try hard then make such a post trying so hard to be screen capped.
>>739214961>walk along>stop, someone has an exclamation mark>super cool screen transition>enemy slides into frame>X wants to battle!>Go Y!>Attack, Bag, Pokemon, Run>Select attack>It's super effectiveThis hasn't been relevant in a literal decade, anon
>>739214961i dont see how digital monster makes less sense than poket monster
>>739188901because americans are fucking idiots
>>739215274I keep asking how does them being "digital" affect the gameplay and what the gameplay is. The fact that no one ever answers is concerning. Am I being gaslit into thinking the games even exist?
>>739188901Pokemon is a nintendo property all nintendo games no matter how dogshit they are gurantee to sell
>>739189275>Because pokemon had the objectively better theme songNot our fault that Saban kiked up the audio.
>>739215390well in the story games you make digimon from data you collect
>>739215390You can copy and edit files. You can copy and edit (tamagotchi raising and evolution) digimon. There's better hills to die on.
>>739215390Think of them as digital yokai.
>>739213842Use support skills like heals,debuff cleansers, buffs etc
>>739211148Omnimon and royal knights need to stop being the centre of every fucking piece of Digimon media. Why the fuck were they the main part of TS when we're on a completely different fucking server?
>>739188901Because it sucks. Next!
>>739189365People keep saying this is so great but it never did anything for me, and I keep forgetting it a few minutes after hearing it. Just feels like a stock adventure anime theme.While the lyrics are lazy I enjoy the whole malfunctioning computer and things are spiralling out of control vibe the dub theme has, and anytime I play a game and evolve a Digimon I hum it to myself.
>>739215506>>739215542>>739215570>>739215617None of this answers my fucking question. WHAT. GENRE. OF. GAME. IS. IT?This is why no one likes Digimon. No one knows wtf it is
>>739215675Main part? Isn't most of their inclusion side quest only/dlc?
>>739215418Nintendo didn't officially pair up with game freak until after the original pokemon games blew up in popularity. Before that they were a AA studio who even made games on mega drive, nintendos direct competitor.Hell, they're releasing a new game in august that isn't even coming out on Nintendo systems.
>>739215675That's a sub zero take.
>>739208250Renamon was killed off
>>739215760Tamagotchi. Stop typing so obnoxiously.
>>739215760Turn based JRPG for the story games like a quick Google search would tell you this
>>739215675>>739211148Digimon relies on nostalgia bait and it's early generations even more than Pokemon does.
>>739188901Long story short? Being localized by retards in the early 2000s who relied too much on the show and merchandise to carry the franchise in the west instead of also focusing on the V-Pets and games with it being Disney buying Saban's shit and Toei putting the show on hold that caused them to shit themselves.
>>739206506flamedramon is female
>>739216053thats because the series peaked with either 01 or Tamers, both of which are different enough imo, but no matter what no media after tamers has come close to either onethere are good arcs of 02 and frontier and savers, but eh
>>739188901It wasn't made by Nintendo.Certain people are going to take that the wrong way, and it's fine because I'm not gonna try and explain things to the mentally handicapped.
>>739212746>a convoluted lore reason Toei has yet to explain is why everyone has oneSome abused Japanese kid making a birthday wish.
>>739188901Pokemon had top selling games, an unique anime, a really good card game and tons of merch that sold like crazy.Digimon had cool animes of varying quality, the games were a lot less popular, and the tamagotchi weren't popular outside of Japan.
>>739192917>Mechanics don't matter so much either. Removing Yugi from the story did destroy the longevity of Yugioh as a franchise because normies can't just turn the TV on and watch same old Yugi/Kaiba/Joey do stuff with their kids now, it's too different now.People don't appreciate this enough, when you change a core cast you create a fanbase partition. As a kid I was 100% ready to ride for Yugioh but I just couldn't get as invested in GX. I loved Digimon Adventure more than pokemon at one point but when Adventure 02 came out my interest waned and then Tamers Dropped it was GG. Even Pokémon technically suffered from this when they dropped Misty and the cast became Brock, May, Max and Ash.
>>739216212>>739216123I think there's an extent were Pokemon was a lightning in a bottle. If alternate timelines exist, I feel like there are crap ton where Pokemon only did alright or flopped because the people in charge made a few different choices. Conversely you will find a few more Digimon is massive for the same reason.
>>739216545>and then Tamers Dropped it was GGYou are the meme.
>>739216650>there being anything even remotely resembling a diamond in quality regarding Digimon.Yeah, Nah.
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>>739216545>>739192917It's interesting how this affects people differently because I didn't care much about this at all, and I often appreciate when a long running series is willing to change out its main cast after their arc is done.If anything the thing that hurt my long term investment was the fact they pretty much start the story and lore from the ground up each time.
>>739216853Super Sentai and Precure come up with a new cast and story each year and they lasted for decades. Americans and Mexicans are the ones who came up with telenovelas that never end.
>>739216750Anon, Tamers is widely considered the best Digimon series to this day.
>>739216853It depends on what kind of story/expectations you have. If you want to be Pokemon, you need to be FAMILIAR. You need to be that comforting place, almost comfort food like, where manchildren can go back and see Ash from their childhood do the Pokaymen thingies and feel good about it. Changing that for another dude means now you're not just going back for comfort food you seek good content, besides the universe feeling familiar it has to stand on its own, it has a barrier to entry, it adds a cognitive load (as small as it is).One sequel, sure, you can do it. Two? Five? Yeah, it piles up, people drift away. If you're not Jojo and didn't do it from the very start as part of the concept and identity then you're NOT going to be able to keep your franchise afloat as a billion dollar printing one for 30 years.
>time stranger is still being held hostage by denuvo 6 months later shame
Medabots was the one that should've been more popular since both the anime and the games were better than Pokemon, but the potential was squandered very quickly.
Pokemon picked a lane and STUCK with it. The game hardly changed for 2 decades. And ultimately that has made the fanbase fairly uniform.Digimon on the other hand is a really mixed bag, they were willing to experiment more. Digimon's fanbase feels really fragmented since the series lacks a single direction. In my case for example, the moment people started fusing with digimon I short of stopped caring about the series.
>>739216853I can't speak for everyone but for me it's that it provides an offramp. Like, you managed to make a compelling world with a cast of characters I've become attached to for specific reasons. This is already a hard enough task considering all the media that exists that's dogshit, so when you essentially soft reboot all those qualities a great deal of successful decisions that lead to making me invested are rendered moot. If there's something in particular I liked about how character X and Y banter and now X and Y a re replaced by D and G I might not like D and G as much as I like P and Q from another show so I'm just going to move to that.>>739216940Just because it's considered the best of digimon doesn't make it "a diamond", but even putting that aside It was a very different experience compared to 01, which if you were someone who liked specific things about 01 would put you off. Just off the bat I wasn't enjoying the visual direction of the show (a feeling I already had when 02 came out).
>>739217013There was no reason to keep Ash in a coma forever. They just weren't able to advance the anime story in any meaningful way.
>>739217310Advancing the story was never the point. The point was to keep people buying this shit for 20 years, forming an insanely powerful emotional bond with the franchise, turning them into lifelong customers. Now that they are and a lot of them had kids, NOW they can change MCs for the kids to pick up.
>>739217079I will pirate it once it hits the switch.
>>739217192The games had a shitty battle system.
>>739217257Tamers is literally the best show of its kind. It starts as.an incredibly solid monster raising show, then it becomes super weird in the second half while keeping the story fully coherent.
>>739210578My cute and pretty jobberwife
>>739217412>Tamers is literally the best show of its kind. It starts as.an incredibly solid monster raising show, then it becomes super weird in the second half while keeping the story fully coherent.Yeah, Nah. You're free to think that though.
>>739217257Tell you what, Anon, you're grown up now, you're an adult, you know what to expect. Why not go and give it a try with a fresh mind? Go see what you missed out on.
>>739217364That's fallacious. Most people stop watching the show once they grew up and new kids start watching it. That's how Super Sentai lasted 50 years.
>>739217387Your mom had a shitty battle system.
>>739217472Funny how both series were sabotaged by the same guy and his tribal greed.
>>739217457You haven't watched it.
>>739188901The games weren't as consistent and the anime had entire chunks of episode runtimes consumed by multiple transformation sequences you had seen before, where pokemon just got to the action and transformations were critical moments that only happened once.
>>739217461? I watched Tamers. It was coming out around the same time as Yugioh and at that point I had a new clear favorite. I was watching Tamers, Jhoto League, and Duelist Kingdom at the same time and of the 3 Yugioh was week to week more enjoyable to be into.
>>739209596NO IMPORTA LO LEJOS QUE TE ENCUENTRES TUUUUUUUUUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQfpwX0QzMFrontier was shit.
>>739217558Pokemon suffered from a lot of censorship but the first English opening was better, which is very rare. And they still kept a lot of the show weirdness anyway. Digimon in the other hand was butchered by the music changes alone.
>>739188901Pokemon has a cohesive world and you can actually be an autist with pvpDigimon has not even a defined gameplay
>>739217626I like the music, especially the Digi-evolution themes in the dubs over the ones originally used.
>>739214961kek digibrowns cant answer a simple question "what is a digimon game"no wonder their franchise is irrelevant and ded
>>739217606Yu-Gi-Oh is comparable with Pokemon in terms of long term impact, probably even more due to how it popularized both trading card games and death games. The anime was good but it also got hit by multiple layers of censorship.
>>739217798Well the franchise started as tamagotchi.
>>739217650It's funny how people often complain Pokemon has been too stagnant, and people are complaining that Digimon isn't stagnant enough.
>>739217798Mainline are turn based 3 niggas in a row type games.
>>739217472>Most people stop watching the show once they grew upThey'll still engage with it in some shape or form, disconnected maybe, but it's still heavily predicated on it being perfectly familiar. Digimon and Yugioh don't do that. They swap universes, characters, atmosphere, mechanics...
>>739188901>Why didn't [anything] get as popular as Pokémon?Why is Digimon the only franchise this is asked about?Pokémon is bigger than EVERYTHING.
>>739218045Except Palworld.
What Digimon need is multiplatform genshin style gacha game.
>>739217971Don't use ellipse if you want people to understand you. Keep that shit for theater.
>>739188901The games were worse until recently and the anime was also worse. Digimon designs also geared too heavily to boys (cool monsters and hot chicks) while Pokemon appeals to both
>>739218141dumdum
>>739217810>more due to how it popularized both trading card games and death games.Yugioh I think had 3 things going for it that allowed it to take the #2 spot from Digimon around 2002. The first was that it was more mature looking so the more detailed gritty monster designs appealed to the group potentially aging 'out of' pokemon. The second was timing, pokemon was hitting its first low point Jhoto League was really slow and getting tired while Yugioh was the hot newcomer getting tons of marketing, Third and maybe the most important the cardgame made the cross promotional experience better than the other contenders being a kid and talking about the show and then battling and trading cards created an atmosphere Digimon never 'quite' managed to create.Medabots had all the BONES of something to be at least Yugioh big but it didn't have the cross promotional strategy to capitalize on what was arguably the best week to week show in the 'friend training/battling/creating ecosystem'.Beyblade came a little too late and Bakugon was completely out there.. (at least for someone born in the early-mid 90's)
>>739218204The pokemon anime is pure fucking garbage, even as a kid I could tell how fucking low effort and braindead that shit was.
>>739218079You must be dumb, joking, or baiting if you really think that.I'm neutral on Palworld since most creatures looks fine enough. Also I haven't play it but more games in a genre is a good thing since it pushes devs to better their game to retain their playerbase.
>>739218306>ZA sales 12M>Palworld (early access) sales 30M
>>739218451nice gamepass numbers !
>>739218451>"selling" more than one (1) spin-off/main game hybrid>this means palworld is bigger than pokemon
>>739218524Even if it is scarlet and violet, those don't reach the 30M of palworld either.
>>739217912I haven't heard complaints about pokemon being too stagnant since gen 5. Which they responded to by making a new type for the first time in a decade (fairy) and creating a new gimmick for every gen going forward.The complaints now a days is that they're phoning it in and a billion dollar company should at least try to produce something on pay with games 1/100th of their budget.
>>739217971I don't know about you but me and the boys at school loved each era of Yu-Gi-Oh. It wasn't until XYZ that our interest began to drop and that was because we felt the MC was kinda lame.Even back then I think I appreciated their stories had an actual ending and I got to see what someone else cool is doing in a different time and place. And I figure a big reason I lost interest in Pokemon first was because it just kept with Ash, who wasn't the most interesting character to begin with.>>739217013JoJo actually did get flak for doing this too, the writer legit got hate mail after part 1 and to a lesser extent part 2.Similar deal with Star Trek funnily enough.
>>739218451>>739218572>30m salesAnd you're getting those numbers from your ass I guess?
>>739217912From what I hear (and feel) the gripe with pokemon isn't that it's the same thing, it's that their execution is dogshit and for every every good thing they implement they replace it next installation with 2 trash things.
>>739218493Those steam chart kind sites report around 20M ownerships of the game on steam, but palworld is on playstation and xbox too, it's not crazy to think those make the remaining 10M.
>>739218614People say that all the time. The gimmicks are just that, gimmicks, and the fact that additions are often removed and replaced for the next gen prevents the series from actually growing much in anyway that matters. Pokemon has never had a true shake up in a mainline title.
>>739218853>>739218778>>739218614Pokemon legit has a rule for things that are added into a game to be removed in the next generation. Even character customization was originally going to be a one time thing.
>>739217971Yu-Gi-Oh fans move to better card games, although many are still playing. Digimon doesn't have anything to hook people, and Pokemon fans only return because of the game.
>>739218204>the anime was also worse0/10
>>739218263>mature lookingBruh. Yami literally killed people in the manga.
>>739218306I honestly wished Palworld went with a more realistic style for the pals, not by much by like 15%, more inline with the style used for the humans and environment.
>>739218659Didn't help that Yuma was Dogshit at the game for like the first half and annoying
>>739219115What? Are you ESL? I'm clearly referring to the visual identity of the show as it was initially presented to kids aged 6-13 in America in 2001-2002. Very few new yugioh fans were reading the manga as like 5th graders and making a judgement of the franchise based on that. So when Yu-Gi-Oh! dropped in the US you had Cindiquil, Guilmon, and fucking "RED EYE'S BLACK DRAGON" on TV and in an era where S.O.A.D and hardrock was the sound one clearly registers as more "mature" on visuals alone is all I was saying.
>>739219452Yeah that's why we thought he was lame. Hell I don't think he ever gets good he just gains an ability that lets him draw the exact card he needs. At least The Heart of The Cards had some mystery and mysticism to it, his is just straight up said to be handing him the card he requires.
>>739192451honestly it's kinda embarassing at this point. Not like it's your fault anyway, it was bandai's very stupid decisions.
>>739218614>The complaints now a days is that they're phoning it inPokemon games are boring and unfun to play. That's it, there doesn't have to be some better reasoning to it. Every new gimmick is boring, every new story is boring, every new game is boring. If you want a more concrete reason for why that is, it's because pokemon decided to stay targeting the age range of around 6-10 years old, rather than growing with their audience. So every new gimmick needs to be simple and barely tangible, the gameplay always needs to be as easy as a game of rock, paper, scissors, and the story is always going do be a secondary or even tertiary afterthought because it's written for children who can barely read. All of which doesn't deter a lot of older fans from getting in on the brand name they swear to. It's not good or bad, it's just fact.In a way it'd be almost irresponsible for pokemon to put effort and manpower into the games, since it wouldn't affect their sales at all. A new pokemon game is a prada bag. The quality doesn't matter, their target demographics are going to pay for it no matter what.
>>739193057>I want to talk about Digimon without Pokémon coming up.Fucking impossible!
>>739219849Conversation I had recently is that Pokemon is so easy that the few enemies that require you to actually somewhat to understand the mechanics and how to use them are used as hidden super bosses.The thing is that they get the high majority of their profit from merchandise, the games and anime are just ads.
>>739213169Ash's companions never aged, just updated in looks to keep in line with the games. Like Iris is still 10 yet became the champion of Unova in the time since we've seen her in anime over 15 years ago.
>>739207367Man, what the fuck is even thos shit?!
>>739207367Ugly design, too busy
>>739221220Tim Burton's Omnimon.
>>739221220Omnimon after he listens and absorbs linkin park data.
>>739188901Even back when I was watching it as a kid I always thought it was made for an older demographic. Pokemon has a real "all ages" (ie, children and manchildren) appeal, while Digimon doesn't really.>>739189275Agree with >>739215710. It's just not as good as the American version.
>>739221302>durrrr simple good complex badThis is what playing nothing but Nintendo games and watching Calarts cartoons does to a mf
You wouldn't do... Strange things with your Digimon, would you?
You Digimon fans are very fucking weird.
>>739221718Wouldn't I?
>>739221718I would never!
>>739221718With Angewomon? Definitely.
>>739221718Is all consensual.
>>739221809Maybe you should go back to plebbit, fucking tourist.
>>739221818That might be one of the Digimon that'll do strange things to you.
>>739221718N-no...
>>739222413>There are no laws against the humans Azulongmon, I can do whatever I want with it!
>>739188901Nothing got as popular as Pokémon, Pokémon was a fluke.
>>739221718bond together and achieve final evolution via combining? yes.
>>739221809Like pokefags aren't just as degenerate. If not more. Say what you want about this side but you guys will make porn of freaks like heatran. Pomumon has nothing.
>>739222892No one mentioned pokemon
>>739222916Pokefags are always in digimon threads, get real.
>>739222916This is litteraly a poke vs digi thread.
I'm going to play Lost EvolutionWhat am in for?
>>739188901When I was a kid I didn't play digimon because your digimon can die relatively quickly. It's not something you do if you want your franchise to be popular.
>>739223136You didn't play because you got filtered?
>>739223106Lots of cleaning plates
>>739223106You'll literally get lost if you put down the game for a while because there's no dialogue history.
>>739223136Accept mortality by looking at it like a high score kinda thing.
No maid mode switch for Sakuyamon and Kuzuhamon in TS is so fucking gay.
>>739224220Their original forms look way better than basic bich miko clothing. They're just humans in masks at that point, it's boring to look at.
>>739206420>will treat you like a princess>will literally die fighting a mega level dark lord to protect you>cuteNumemon has always been the best and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>739224383I hold high respect for Numemon.
yokai watch out of nowhere
>>739212125This one is even better with brave heart playing.I wish i had it saved.
>>739221809you show me a community for a monster catching game that doesn't want to fuck their creatures and I will show you a community of liars.
>>739191441>So it’s a monster-partner series, like Pokémon, Bakugon, or even Yu-Ghi-Oh, yet each of the monsters are their own individual person? How does that work? There’s the 7 Dark Lords representing each sin, but is each one a separate species? Does that mean there’s infinite Lilithmon or Chronomon?I always thought of it like SMT, in that you gained a little bit of an nigh omnipotent entities power that you cultivate and grow. Ultimate and Megas are canonically supposed to be rare.>Secondly the power scaling is absolutely retarded. Why are so many of them literal Gods? How does you quantify their power when each one can rend the universes arsehole in two?Do you read Marvel or DC Comics?>Finally, the designs are so inconsistent. I had a look at the Digimon from Time Stranger, and some are intricate humanoids with armour plating, celestial ornaments and regal looks, and others are six legged trees with faces or trains with eyes on the front.Why would you expect something inherently fantastical to adhere to real world reason. A Digimon can be or look like anything. They aren't animals. They're like genies with a pecking order.
>>739224513Those games were nice. I liked them. I want to hold down Insomni and plow her until the sun sets and rises. Planting my seed into her so vigorously that she can't stand staying up for a night without me plapping her constantly.
>>739225985The games are really nice, Psychic Specters being my favorite of the main games, with Blasters being the fucking best of all tbdesu, just wish it had an even bigger roster.These games are just full of waifus and cool mons everywhere and the gameplay is also quite fun. Sad about the series almost completely dying before we got more games. Better games.
>>739188901why didn't it become literally the biggest IP of all time across all of human history? seems pretty overdetermined don't you think
Frontier should have leaned into the Digi-race war as a central plot point
>>739221718I'm sure that lot of digimon can overpower any tamer easy.
>>739188901Digimons message is gtow up and become a cog in the machine stop clinging to your childhood Taichi literally grows up to be a loser and in the movie theres some gay message about growing up
>>739188901Harder to draw
>>739190547Meanwhile Pokémon’s departure from that was in a dedicated spin off game that spawned a whole fuckton of furries
>>739222554Then you had best take responsibility!
>>739230145Explain to daddy anon how average digimon subplot
>>739230337If you don't mind spoilershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPSy89aHpI
>>739230337Don't say that
>>739222413this reminds me that i have to render that elizamon sketch
>>739221551The American theme is dogshit. You literally have to be low IQ to enjoy it.
>>739229558PMD’s damage to the minds of a many autistic people is incalculable.
>>739191880>Digimon released DW1, while it's one of my favorite games ever, it's a jank shitshow.Man... The game itself is very good, but the fact that your digimon dies of old age bummed me the fuck out. I had a fucking Meramon for fuck sake. That thing whooped asses non-stop and then I got it with bullshit like "it died of old age lol"Also the enviromnent with the cables and PCBs merging with the vegetation was the kinoest shit.
>>739230910LOL YOUR DIGIMON DIED OF OLD AGE! really hurt Digimon's odds against Pokemon I think. They retconned them dying completely to being reborn from an egg as a new digimon for that very reason.
>>739231002Old age wasn't the case for wormmon as I recall
>>739231074I know but originally when Digimon died, they were gone forever. The rebirth thing was added in Digimon 02.
>>739231002Wouldn't Pokémon also die of old age eventually? Does that just not come up?
>>739231113Neither series operates on those timescales, but presumably pokemon do get old and die.
>>739192698Good depiction of both, you can tell form the image Yugi is laid back and chill like he usually is, while Kaiba is in his turbo-autistic mode trying his best to outperform Yugi.
>>739231113We have seen Pokémon tombstones in Lavender Town, with people mourning their pokemon partners there, but I can't rememebr if anyone ever says their pokemon died of old age or if it was an accident.
>>739231113In old digimon games they rapidly grow old, like they aged so fast they'd be dead in 3 months. Pokemon age like humans.
>>739231113Yeah it just didn’t come upThe fuck even are PokémonSpirit beings? Animals given magic powers? Intelligent beings you own like a chocolate factory owner? I don’t know still despite knowing that one leak kinda outed a lot of things about them.
>>739231002They never retconned it retard. It was always the case since adventure 1. They even had episodes on the digimon nursery and when Agumon died from Skullgreymon evolution
>>739231103>The rebirth thing was added in Digimon 02.patamon/angemon literally dies against devimon in adventure and returns as an egg.>>739231715>when Agumon died from Skullgreymon evolutiondid it? huh. i can't remember that one.
>>739203557CS and HM were Vita games.TS is a proper console game.
>>739232095Since their beginnings, the tamagotchi "lore" is that when they died, it spawns back as a egg.It translated back to Digimon World 1 and some episodes of Adventure.I think Patamon also died in his battle with Devimon and returned to egg.Pokemon, on the other hand, is super weird around death, pokemon age even food. Some ghost pokemons arent really dead either.
