https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAJg7nmkOQHUGE
>>739193960NATO countries are just looking for ways to ban asian made vidya because they realize they completely lost the market and tanked their industry with DEI initiatives
>>739194147how is forcing them to keep the servers up banning them you fucking tard
>>739193960>stop unaliving games
>>739193960imagine if the judge says all these games are dogshit anyway and deserve to be shut down
>>739194230>forcing server upkeepEVERYFUCKINGTIMEAnti-SKG shills are always like this. Their arguments are:>muh forced upkeep>muh programming difficulties>muh EULA>muh government regulation (that don't favour corporate abuse at the expense of the costumer)Always the same arguments that are literally debunked. Time and time again they get BTFO with the same rebuttals, and then they magically forget what happened the next day. I'm always left thunderstruck when I see their identical copes crop up left and right.>gradually, I began to hate them
>>739194230Its not even about forcing them to keep servers up, its about the game, if it is being sunset, to be playable in some state.
>don't like live service slop>therefore I don't play those games>problem solvedwhat's the point of this movement again?
>>739194361> [insert hitler quote about them forgetting the previous day's argument]
>>739194361>no argumentcase closed
>>739194385>>739194361Many online games are split between functions handled by the server and those handled on the client side, requiring a server for the game to be played. This is why they get shut down.
>>739194361>Always the same arguments that are literally debunked.>posts no evidence of said debunkinghuh...almost as if you can't do it.
>>739194361it's a classic tactic, if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true.
>>739194387Like all forms of paternalism, the point is to protect retards from themselves. A good game would never need SKG to save it.
>>739194461Boo hooSounds like the devs have to have a sunset option for the games to be in a playable state. Fan revivals of long dead mmos show this to be a non issue.Disingenuous FAGGOT
>>739194230>forcing them to keep the servers upThat is not what SKG was about. It is about including a way for the customer to continuing using their purchase in the EOS, such as self-hosted servers or stripping a game of its online services and allowing it to be played as such. Although, in the EU petition, it was proposed as an alternative that they could have a clearly defined server period before purchase. Even that option is not "forced server running." It's "Before release, we've prepared and promise to keep the servers up for X years, until date Y, and you are guaranteed to this service until that date."
>>739194531Me when i lie
>>739194684(you) when you lose
>>739194531Debunking is on the fucking SKG site. Where it clearly lists everything. Problem is A) people are disingenuous or B) projecting their own IDEAS what SKG stands for when the damn thing has everything listed and was stated to EU parliament already.
>>739194618Pretty muchI cant think of a single "killed" game worth playing that didnt get a fan or private server.If people gave a shit about your game they would make it playable.
>>739194801>Debunking is on the fucking SKG siteNigger the site is contradictory as fuck, see them saying they arent demanding retroactive punishment.Then it also literally saying they are.Then you have faggots treating it like their shitty eceleb bible>UMM SWEETIE ITS ON THE WEBSITE>I CANT LINK OR SCREENSHOT IT BUT BELIEVE THE SACRED TEXTS
>>739194531>>739194531>"SKG wants to force devs to keep servers up forever!"Blatant lie. SKG just wants games (not including subscription-based for free to play) to be accessible after active support drops. Whether that means private servers or peer to peer connections, people should be able to play games on local networks without relying on a company to provide dedicated servers that can't be run at home. I should be able to set up a bunch of PS3s and play Ace Combat Infinity with friends without Bamco's help.>>739194461If some random autists can get Titanfall 1 and 2 private servers running without internal tools, why not Respawn devs?
>>739194801>debunks literally nothing>againspoonfeed me, please
>>739193960
>>739194461just freeware the server code and let people make their own dedicated servers, the same way that minecraft did it. its not that hard.
>>739195072This is harsh.. i agree with the sentiment that those people exist and need to be exterminated from the space but man did he target somebody who is not what he thinks.
>>739194230this was a problem that was solved 20 years ago, it's called dedicated servers
>>739195072Chet is a full on schizo, this is a well known fact
>>739195104you want the government to enforce this? what kind of commie BS is this forcing people to publish their code
>>739193960The government should not get involved in the markets, unless it's to enforce copyright and bailout bad business decisions
>>739195179And the server side technology that video games use hasn't changed in 2 decades, right?
>>739194147>NATO countries are just looking for ways to ban asian made vidyaMost live service slop gets made by mutts though.
>>739195072Based ChetRoss literally can't play video games and the evidence is his entire channel
>>739195072Wanting to play games you paid for is gamergate, the more games you want to play the gamerer the gate is
>>739195261Yes, actually. In fact I think people who don't should get their assets seized and have them be used to pay reverse engineers to do the work they didn't.
>>739195453>implying these threads don't immediately devolve into antisemitism and other pol shit Gamergate 2 is a pretty accurate description
>>739193960> hey guys I just opened my World of Warcraft CD from 2003 - you should have a server up to support it stillNo.
>>739195349well, sounds like a problem needing to be solved then
>>739195435americans out number euros 2:1 so that's not really an argument - stupid faggot
>>739193960>SKG started two years ago>people are STILL being retarded aboutSome of you fuckers really were made for rice fields.
>>739195658that's weird, last time I checked, I can play games that I bought 20 years ago and this wasn't a fucking problem until live service slop was invented
>>739195727Huh, the EU has 450 millions people. America is at 340 millions.
>>739194387I don't like live service slop therefore I don't want it to exist
>>739193960Reminder that americans were arguing against Steam being forced to do refunds, citing that you wouldn't need to return a good game anyway.Truly a cattle country. And that really means something when a nanny state like the EU is in play.
Has anyone told the parliament that he's the first second generation Blizzard employee? I feel like that information is vital to not misrepresent this case.
>>739193960>comments full of "this is how we get the youth interested in politics!!"I don't like this, young people shouldnt be mindraped by stupid shit like politics
>>739196141Not having young people care about politics is how we end up with Holden Bloodfeasts running the world
>>739196141Ignoring politics is how you get raped by them. If anything, recent history has shown ignoring issues won't make them go away.
>>739196141>meanwhile Indians push their own people into small government>end up wondering why the only people you can vote for are Rajeen and Ameshit's also how leftists capture institutions so easily, they always get involved at a small level politics, most normal people can't be asked to
>>739196198>>739196204In my entire 36 years of life not even once has a politician done anything to benefit me. This is the real "red pill". It's all a scam and seeing these old parasites manipulating young people feels like wading through maggot infested corpse water. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.
>>739194147NATO has no beef with Asia you illiterate double nigger.
>>739195862Online games have been ending service for nearly as long as games have been online, anon.
>>739196469Yes, almost like it's all according to plan. HOWEVER.
>>739196469>can still play half-life multiplayer>can still play cs 1.6>can still set up dedicated servers and cracked servers for games like MW2>can still make dedicated WoW and Runescape serversone day, corporations will shove ads into your eyeballs and a burning metal rod up your ass and you are going to wonder how that happened
>>739196385what you're advocating for is demoralization and it's how you get Hell Countries like Russia where you are openly imprisoned for protesting retarded shit and nobody cares because "what can you do? you have no power, it's meaningless." It by definition only benefits the powerful.50% chance you're being paid to do this as a result
gibbergobbergoobergamergatergamers are dead
>>739195072He's right.
>>739196141>>739196385Still waiting for the day you kill yourself
>>739196601>can still make dedicated WoW serversYeah but no thanks to Blizzard. We both know that if they had a say you wouldn't be allowed to do that, it's only because the game is extremely popular that it gathered enough autists to bother themselves with reverse engineering the server/client packets.
>>739196469Only retards buy games that require an internet connection to be played at all.It's the government's job to protect those subhumans from their own stupidity though. I don't feel bad for any games shutting down and I find it funny when they get all sad and whiny over worthless games going down.
>>739196386You're so wrong it's spectacular lol
Thor status?
The saddest part is that anti-skiggers visibly, quantifiably lost by every metric, but they still can't just shut the fuck up.
>>739194307They'd be right
>>739194531>I'm going to purposefully misunderstand and misrepresent the argument, and declare myself the winner without making an argument of my ownY'all are pathetic lmao
>>739194618>A good game would never need SKG to save it.A good game isn't online only
>>739195587>you wanting to fight literal kikes lobbying the government to curtail your rights is anti semitism and pol shitlmao israeli faggot
>>739196386Really?
>>739194461My computer can function as a server just fine. Servers aren't magic.
>>739196598You don't get anon, this is some arcane commie bs and modern games can't have this because uh.... reasons.Now be a good goy and play on matchmaking.
>>739195658What do you mean "no"? You can do it yourself. Right now. With the original game copies.
>>739193960Based.All games should be required by law to offer OFFLINE modes at launch. That way if/when they discontinue the live shit, you can still go back and fully play the game.
>I want to buy online only games and play them forever somehowThat's fair enough, isn't it? I don't buy them so I see zero advantages in supporting SKG, games could still be pulled from stores and distribution ceased due to copyrights like with movies and music, so the games it's protecting are very much limited, but if someone wants to eat shit they should be allowed to. I don't get why anyone is actively against it.
Europe won't even defend its native population from invaders, therefore I will not partake or pay attention to anything else they made be doing. Just let me enjoy my last peaceful moments.
>>739194898We know you are illiterate thor but come on...
>>739195072>Ross doesn't play games>literally has a channel with 10+ years of playing games
>>739194618based Bastiat enjoyerThe first time I read The Law I had to reread it again. It's so gigabased and applies to modern society like a perfectly fitting glove it's unreal.
>>739198572>companies should be allowed to disable all cars they have made whenever they make>i don't drive a car so i wont get in an accident because of that>if other people want to die in car crashes caused by car manufacturers that's up to them
>>739195072Oh yeah I can definitely see why someone who's gravy train could be directly affected would have negative thoughts about a guy who simply wants more consumer protection>>739196851>>739195437>>739195172Corpo activists
>>739198763you suck at analogies and are probably retarded considering that anon agrees with you
>>739198614>they made be doingHello saar. SKG bad you bloody benchod. Need those two rupees per post to feed my family you bastard bitch.
>>739194361True, all they do is jewish tricks.
>>739196695You're not protesting. You're not being active in politics. You're allowing yourself to be manipulated.Tell me, how do you benefit from the movement? What games would you play that you can't play now? Name me just ONE. SINGLE. TIME. Ross has played a video game that isn't total goyslop. Why does a movement that exists so retarded yuropoors can play licensed car shovelware offline benefit me? It's insane. I don't even want these people playing games. You just know every single person praising this movement is a weasely little normalfag shit eater.
There should be a part of the internet only accessible to people who signed the initiative
>>739198830Oh no, I made a small typo.If you support Europe adminstration in its current form in any way, and if you support anything that happened after the war, you are a raped goyslave.
>>739198892>What games would you play that you can't play now?Dreadnought.
>>739198908It's called /r/kotakuinaction
>>739199027:|
>>739198892>Armchair trannyjanny whining about how people aren't actually protestingAs usual, your lack of decency and self-awareness is stunning
>>739198892You're retarded. Consumer protection is good, I may not repair phones but it should be someone's right to be able to do so without the manufacturer blocking access so only licensed dealers or themselves can do it especially if it's something you bought. I may have played final fantasy xi back in the day but I would absolutely want square to either keep it online forever or provide an offline means of being able to access it.
>>739198892>Why does a movement that exists so retarded yuropoors can play licensed car shovelware offline benefit me?Oh so you named the time it happened on all on your own and yet you feign ignorance. Disingenuous retard.
>>739195072It's funny how Chet has nothing but reliving his glory days at Valve, and while he's not doing that he's spewing some of the most fucktarded opinions imaginable.One has to wonder if he left the company because he lost his mind, or if he got fired because he lost his mind. Greg Coomer went off the deep end after leaving Valve as well. Must be something in Seattle's water.
>>739199123Why don't you use a reaction image instead? This isn't reddit.
Don't you think this has gone a little too far?
>>739198763Why would you buy a car that relies on an internet connection to work?
>>739199139You aren't and if you were you could answer my question. Name me one single good game Ross plays. Just one dude. I will always side with who's actually playing good games, not some asmongold tier dung collector.You're just attaching to movements arbitrarily because you are bored and powerless.
Avatarfagging is against the rules.
>>739199223>I need to play mmos offlineThis is exactly the kind of shit eating I'm talking about.
>>739199340nta but I'm sure it's just a matter of time before every car is required to send info to some HQ and if you remove that functionality it's equivalent to driving around with broken taillights
>>739199340What if carmakers don't give you a choice anymore because there is more profit to be made with cars that require internet connections?
>>739199358What Ross plays is completely irrelevant and if you weren't a (self admitted) subhuman sociopath you'd know.Or rather, since you are a self admitted, borerd and powerless subhuman sociopath who's well aware that there's no logical or moral argument against SKG you're here shitposting as you've been doing for years.Go back to being bullied in the shithole that is the SHMUP general or kill yourself.
>>739199340It's like AI, car companies are all trying to get everyone to switch to that even if you don't want>>739199445Not an argument just an ad hom from a seething corpo shill
>>739199414>DIFFERING OPINIONS? SAVE ME UNACCOUNTABLE AND ANONYMOUS AUTHORITY FIGURE, REMOVE THIS FELLOW IMMEDIATELYYeah government bootlicking is definitely for you
>>739199547>What Ross plays is completely irrelevant>can't name a single game he played that isn't absolute dogshitLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
>>739199607>act like a low tier troll>get told to fuck off>act like you're being victimizedMan, trolls back in the day at least had guts, you're just a bitch.
>>739199801>SAVE ME DADDY GUBBMINT O LAWDY IVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND IM BEING OPPRESSED, SOCIETY SHOULD BE DECIDED BY AND UPVOTE AND DOWNVOTE SYSTEM
>>739199670Again, it doesn't fucking matter and any example I'd make you'd just dismiss as shit anyway because all you are is a bored, degenerate sociopath who isolated himself from society due to a self perceived slight against yourself.YOU are the issue and the archives are full of your shit, so again, kill yourselfhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/DYLkQ6RVkzP5iXr3FkilkQ/
i dont care about skg because i dont play video games but if jews are against it i support it
>>739199918You're the one crying, not me lmao
>>739199670>>739199358>>739198892Literally mindbroken and emotionally invested over video games or side affect of psych meds
>>739195072>>739198698yeah that is one take for the books
>>739199920Name.One.Game.It does matter because if it doesn't benefit me, but benefits people I dislike and would prefer to go away, obviously that's a problem. There is nothing about SKG that benefits me. It only benefits people that killed video games. SKG doesn't unkill games, because the "games" they are trying to save killed games. It's a movement about turning the gaming interesting into a giant unhealthy festering wound where dead-eyed burnt out dadgamers can play offline live service slop all day. Why would anyone want these people around? They need to move on, their presence is making games worse.
>>739200094Which books?
why are you dumb niggers arguing with an avatarfag rofli came to this thread to see what the latest updates were but i can only assume fuckall had happened given the state of the thread
>>739199260VALVE likely mindbroke him.https://www.reddit.com/r/valve/comments/8zmp07/former_valve_employee_tweets_his_experience_at/
>>739200154
I wish SKG was as based as its detractors make it sound>Why yes, I do think publishers should go to jail if they turn off the servers
>>739200193There was an EESC hearing, there's a link to it somewhere in the thread. Or you can look it up on youtube.
>>739198315How much are you willing to pay for the code?
>>739200407As much as jannies get paid.
>>739193960Stop Killing Games is a fash movement in which the true goal is to put millions of marginalized game developers out of work.Stop Killing Games? How about Stop Killing Jobs.
>>739200229
>>739200193it's just a debate, nothing really happened except the president saying "my 28 year old son had to explain this to me and I think it's kinda important"
>destroyed their energy production>kneecapped their economies>murdered their national identities>inflated their currency>sent housing costs skywardThese are the people you're asking to meddle in games? Is your plan that accidentally they'll do something that makes anything better?
>>739200472If you didn't pay nine figures for your copy of the game you only bought the client, anon.
>>739200404>>739200583thanks lads
>>739200656Did you drop your avatar to continue pretending to be retarded without being called out?
>protects your personal data information>lets you refund any internet purchase within 30 days>gives you subsidies>Highly control illegal chemical substances in food products>protects videogamesThank you, Europa.
>>739195918And you aren't in either, ESL. Unless you just got off the boat, of course.
>>739200846don't forget>forced apple to use the same charger as android
>>739200846Outside of this stupid bottlecap I agree with this image.
>>739197528Seems to be the other way around.
>>739200943Soon crapple will be forced to design their hardware to have user replaceable batteries as well.
>maybe goyslop is better off dead and forgotten, why should I support this?>.... >:(
>>739195072>tell me you're a leftist without telling me you're a leftist
>>739198763Cars and videogames are under very different laws and rules though. I see your point, but while I'm not against SKG I don't see much value in what it's fighting for, even if it is customer protection.
>>739198003illiterate retard award
>>739198892The SKG non-sentients are going to be even mad at your replies after nothing comes of this dumbass nonsense.
>>739200943Why are you buying apple products at all? Who is this benefitting?
>>739200978We went from "haha your stupid petition will never get the votes!" to "w-well, so what if the EU bigwigs had a meeting about it today??"Frankly, nobody is even interested in debating you anymore. People are just runnng a victory lap while flipping you off.
>>739200764That doesn't sound like an argument for why should own the rights to run your own servers for a game you didn't develop.
>>739194618>>739198738You know I'm partial to libertarianism as well, but you can't be ideologically blind, corporations have IP laws to protect them and we have nothing.Let them do whatever they want with their games, fine, then abolish IP laws as well and let us have private servers from day 1, or is that kind of regulation "good"?
>>739194147>tanked their industry with antiwhite initiativesFix'd you cuck
>>739201174Your IPs are protected too.
>>739201147No argument is required for it, since most games in existence already grant you the ability to do so.
>>739201174You can combat this by raising your standards instead of consuming garbage like a hungry little piggy
>>739196141The Greeks invented a word to describe a man who isn't interested in politics.It was "idiot."
>avatarcag is imptently yelling into the void now after getting btfolove to see it
>>739201238Everyone in this thread is a faggot but it doesn't make us all right.
>>739200846I kneel to the Eurochad
>>739201119I'm not, but I like that they get told to stop their jewish tricks.
>>739201332That doesn't sound like an argument for why should users be denied ability to run dedicated servers, when such had been the prevailing practice for the last 20 years and had only been concertedly driven out recently with the rise of live service games and the culture of remakes in order to re-sell the same product.
>>739196469Anon, how old are you? I can still play the first multiplayer games i ever played 30 years ago online but games from 10 years ago are dead and gone. Make it make sence!
>>739201261>making your life evolve around or even following the red vs blue circusthe irony of this post is palpable
>>739201261Bruh, Socrates was heavily critical of public rule and ultimately murdered by politicians for wrong think, how is it even humanly possible to be this ignorant.
The whole debacle comes down to corporations trying to weasel out of their responsibilities as a seller via fine print on an obnoxiously legalese agreement that they KNOW nobody will read.Defending this kind of practice is clearly some form of devil worship.
>>739201395>they get told to stop their jewish tricks.The biggest impact SKG has had on the industry is functioning as a massive advertisement for the crew and selling thousands of copies of the game to immediately dissapointed third worlders. This has a paradoxical effect of making ubisoft more money while simultaneously harming their rapidly diminishing branding by reviving and bringing attention to a product that was better off dead. Bad products should not be made arbitrarily more accessible.
>>739201539People wouldn't be dragging the government into this if it could have been solved in any other way.
>>739201208So regulations that are disproportionaly more useful for corporations are fine, but anything that could help the audience you fight with tooth and nails and of course "you" win those fights since it happens to align with the interests of more influential political entities; "let's dismantle the State" libertarians say, of course we start with the weak institutions set up to help the disenfranchised, the corporate welfare mechanisms we leave for some time later in the distant future that will never come.
>>739200534That last post is borderline incomprehensible I don't think he even knows what the fuck he's saying, did he have a stroke? Is he okay? Chet really is a fucking schizophrenic retard now holy shit.
So does this mean politics is now gaming? I am not even baiting here I am serious.
>>739201529Your life is incredibly painful I get that but wishing bad things on innocent people is incredibly self destructive for your depressed brain. You're just digging yourself further in that hole but guess what, you can always come back to the "good" side.
>>739201762Well, apparently we're not allowed to discuss how this relates to games and what excellent games this movement will save, so very obviously no
>>739201462Because it's not, it's an argument against your logic. Being able to boot up one game doesn't mean you deserve access to the proprietary software for another.
>>739201795What does any of this have to do with steeple!>You're wrong, the most famous Greek figure hated and was murdered by politicians>You're a bad guy for not wanting to pacify the sheeple!
>>739201463Just MMOshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inactive_massively_multiplayer_online_games
>>739201907>with steeple*with my postMy autocorrect genuinely had a seizure
do anti-shill genuinely think that acting completely retarded is somehow a winning strategy?
>not a single post in the thread discussing the actual streameveryone here is useless
>>739201749This doesn't mean copyright laws don't protect you. These other magic laws that totally won't monkey paw on you if they actually draft them don't exist because you always had the ability to not buy an always online game. Nobody is that sad when an adult marches into the lion exhibit in a zoo.
>>739202110It's not video games and I don't see why it belongs here
>>739194147assblated vira lata brazilnigger detected
>>739202110
>live in Europe>autoapply for 4 jobs via jobwebsites every 2 weeks>government pays me £400 a month for it>just play vidya, read books, and practice piano all dayAhhhh, truly we are blessed
Honestly thank you euro bros, the fact that this movement has gotten this huge has surprised me. I wish you well.
>>739202286is this a raging soijacques
>>739202314>400 euro is 535.95 USDThere is no way you can live off of that.
>>739202373
>>739202314Will Britbongs return to the EU?Have you learned your lesson yet?
>>739202314>hartz iv faggotkek
>>739202439oh I thought it was picrel
>>739202337nothing will happen lmao, yurocuck bureaucracy goes nowhere unless it's about letting millions of rapefugees or jeets into the country or taxing american tech companies
>>739202425I just live in my parent's house who also rent out a seperate property>>739202489What would be the benefit of that? Brexit means brexit. If france stops shipping nog over I'll consider it mentioning it to Charles iii
>>739202337alot of disingenuous kikes itt hate that we wont stop
What exactly is the point of anti-shilling on 4chan at this point? It made sense when the signatures were being collected. You already lost, Indian shills.
>>739193960>i need the government to allow me to play my own games collection retarded boot lickerif you are too stupid to spoof hardware IDs you are too stupid to play old games and most likely brown as mud
Why do Europoids love wasting time and money on pointless shit?
>>739202685>what is the point of genuine discussion, I just want to dump memes off my discord and fellate myself
>>739195072reminder that Chet is invested in companies making live service shit
>>739202737Where is this genuine discussion? There's only a metronome wildly swinging between ancap delusions and "let me just completely misunderstand what SKG is asking or"
>>739201865And a publisher deserves my money after remotely disabling the game I've purchased?
>>739202720the line will stop going up and you will be happy
consumers defending anti-consumer behavior is like slaves defending their ownersutterly bewildered
>>739202945What.Games.Does.This.Save.I want these games to die and be forgotten.
>>739202945What 80 years of capitalist propaganda will do to a motherfucker
>>739202945Stop trying to kill the free market
>>739203027Free market as you incorrectly imagine it would gladly dump lead into your drinking water to save 2% in their production pipeline.Of course digital licenses are not as serious as poisoning entire towns, but the underlying behavior is the same.Free market is not freedom to be a criminal.
>>739202685I bet at least half of this is just terminal contrarianism.
>>739202980>i dont like x therefore no one should get to enjoy itsound logic
>>739198892This could help games like Genshin Impact, Zenless Zone Zero, Blue Archive, Wuthering Waves, Neverness to Everness, and many others of a similar nature avoid being shut down due to the discontinuation of serviceThink about this: if things stay the same as they were years ago, all those games I mentioned will stop working once the servers shut down, and everything you invested in them will be useless. You won’t get a refund, it will just be lost, and you won’t be able to access it
>>739203169you don't own the game, the company does, you bought a license and its not yors
>>739202685>nobody may have an opinion on us crying to the eu parliament to meddle in gamesBut I think I may.
You have the power to stop this. Start killing people or kill yourself.
>>739203270The government wrote the laws that allow for ridicolous things like software licences and IP rights. The government can also mandate the limits of those rights.
>>739203270EU begs to differ, and the company's EULA is not permitted to argue.
>>739203340>>739203364nope, the game isnt yours and now your enforcing dictator like theft upon companies ip
>>739194361>Time and time again they get BTFO with the same rebuttals, and then they magically forget what happened the next dayThere was a passage in Mein Kampf about this.
>>739203450Amerimutts unironically believe this.
>>739203197Yes? We have threads about people playing diablo 3 offline right now. I don't want that. Imagine the crap threads zoomers are gunna make 10 years from now about reliving their live service garbage through offline mode. You're not thinking clearly. This is a massive negative and if you can't demonstrate how it benefits me personally then I have no reason not to be against it. The impetus is on you, it's not my responsibility.
>>739203246Yeah kill all of that
>>739203587I know right, threads about video games on /v/, there should be another twitter shitpost thread instead, you're so right sis
>>739193960>ross is passing laws in eu and usa>gamer theory is a politician>markplier is making horror movies>pewdiepie is a father in japanwhat the HECK is going on
>>739203640I don't want to talk about The Chosen: Well of Souls. I want to talk about Gunbird 2.
>>739203587>Your OS refuses to run your 25 year old games that are not remote attestedWhat now?
>>739203750Name the game lol. I talk about what I play all the time. You can't name a single game I'd be interested in that this would effect.
>>739203692Built for BBC
>>739203692Oh its simple, the younger generation is now the older generation so now they are getting their turn to influence the culture and the world. The same thing will happen to the zoomer and whatever comes after them.
>>739194147obvious seething gachatard that thinks people hate gachas because of their financial success and not because they have a dogshit economic model
>>739203818Any game that you like faggot, I can't see into your mind
>>739204108But it's not gunna happen to any game that I like. Considering how these threads have such obnoxious, staunch, and downright cultish defenders you'd think the threat wouldn't be entirely theoretical. All games SKG cites as being dead that would be protected under new legislation are games I want dead and forgotten. That's an concrete real example grounded in reality and a very real reason for not supporting SKG.
>>739202980It would make the restoration of Battlefield 2142 easier.
>>739203692I come from Europe and my dudebro cousin who is now a prison guard in UK is a FO2 fan, he gave me his copies of FO and FO2 when he moved out and told me to play it, as it's the best games ever (although my retarded late millenial ass cannot despite my best efforts). My ex-military dad introduced me to vidya and still plays HoM&M III to this day. I think it's US only thing that "plays vidya = virgin retard" because your social ladder seems even more bloodthirsty than usual.
>>739204327I definitely do not want any battlefield game to be revived
>>739203587kill yourself asap retard
>>739203629Even though I don't like gacha games, regardless of how popular they are, they need to be protected from shutdowns and denial of access if you've paid for them, the same goes for any gameOther examples that aren’t gacha games include titles that lose their online access on older consoles, such as what happened with GTA Online on PS3 and Xbox 360. This would help us avoid something like that in the future with GTA 6, the same goes for COD, and many other games with online componentsIt would also prevent having to delist games due to licensing issues, as is the case with the Forza games>>739203587fuck off
>>739204370This one apparently is pretty good.
>>739204280Did you not understand what I said, you stupid faggot?>Windows 14 comes out>Is hardware attested, your hardware won't run anything else>Your OS won't run shit that's not attested through Windows Store>Say goodbye to your CDsEven failing that, your boomer-coded "fuck you got mine apres moi le deluge" mentality is loathsome. Games turned to shit because fags like you didn't lift a finger to protect them.
>>739204414>they need to be protected from shutdownsWhy? You're not making an argument, just blankly stating things like it just is. Obviously if people found out "investing" in gacha was a stupid idea, this would help steer the industry away from games like this. People shouldn't be clinging to mind numbing digital heroin for all eternity. All you did was list a ton of shit games /v/ doesn't like, why would anyone here care about cawadooty? Obviously you're a hostile tourist who doesn't belong here.
>>739204572If that happened I just wouldn't run windows 14 to play those games???? What are you, retarded? How do you think I play games that don't run on my OS now?
>>739193960Summarize for me what Stop Killing Games is and what laws are they looking to pass. It should be easy.
>>739204760>Game shut down>Devs now need give server binaries and or enable lan/offline modeThat's it.
>>739204660>Is hardware attested, your hardware won't run anything elseFailing that, your ISP will require remote attestation and won't let you connect to the Internet on a non-attested OS. It's already starting on Android and iOS, it's a matter of time before it happens on personal computers.>But muh Dell from 2005!On borrowed time.
>>739204760Initiative that wants companies to make it clear when they sell a limited time service instead of a game you own and either offering options for refunding or ways to keep game afloat (offline mode, alternative hosting method etc).Aka, no way for a game you bough to be completely unplayable or wasted money.Exact proposals and process need more reading
>>739204572Even if this doomer scenario was true and we assumed there was no alternative, that does not really explain why you'd want to be against SKG.
>>739204889How many niche games in your life has this ever happened to?
>>739204760An e-celeb got angry that he couldn't play the Crew to make a clickbait video about how quirky it is because it has always online DRM which was shutdown once their licenses to use official model cars expired. This led to millions of third world slavs signing a petition and so ubisoft released an offline version of the crew on steam, to the response of a 40% average user rating and confused reviews in broken English. Now the EU parliament is discussing how to make this into legislation, to show children how heckin awesome government is or something. Also they will be tacking this onto other extremely harmful legislation and not talking about it.
>>739204893>It's already starting on AndroidNo it's not
>>739205004What extremely harmful legislation is that?Cause this is really the crux of your shitposting, that it will somehow make things worse.
>>739195349Low-iq or baitCall it
>>739194147seethe chinksect. 2 of the best games of the decade were made in europe.
>>739204992Megaman Xdive got rereleased as offline game. Only missing online PVP and collab character, albeit latter got patched back by community.
>>739205116You mean the cancer game that killed the mega man general
>>739205065>https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116550899908879585
>>739193960>My son told me a bit about these video gamesBased nepobabies of politicians being useful for once instead of being a scourge on society and getting away with murdering innocents in vehicular manslaughter
>>739205084None, he's just american and he can't understand that elsewhere, laws are passed without buying the votes of 100 congressmen with pork tacked on to it, and some extra permissions for the NSA to monitor their anus cameras snuck in so the public won't notice it, all wrapped in a 5000 page bill none of the people voting on it read.
>>739205104>bg3>good
>>739193960If the licensed music is the problem can't they just remove it and replace it with whatever shit they find in the copyright free libraries?
>>739205324>IfIt's not. Even now games delisted because of music copyright don't get taken away from you
>>739201079he shilled kamala harris in 2024 lol
The more work this causes for Ubislop/Craptivision, the better.
>>739204607I'll respond to everything you said in short:Lack of empathy, and it's always good to have more options>Obviously you're a hostile tourist who doesn't belong hereSays the guy who doesn't know how to use random filenames
>>739205206This has nothing to do with that and it's just the same old "are you sure you want to run virus.exe" that has existed on every OS forever, why do politics obsessed retards always try to blow everything up as some sort of apocalypse. I'm running mihon just fine right now dude. And all of that aside this is a completely seperate issue anyways that SKG would in no way address????
>>739205261still can't cope with reality?
>>739205561>use random filenamesOnly malevolent schizos do that
>>739205324The radio stations in the GTA 3D trilogy are a good example of this, even though they just removed them instead of replacing the tracks.The problem can arise when a game is built around that music, for example, the game mechanics, and obviously that would require extra work, but this isn’t about the extra work, it’s about not letting it shut down the game for that reason
>>739194801It's the conservative Big Lie, where they'll just keep repeating the lie over and over again until average laymen who's not educated in what's going on believes it to be the truth and the information that proves it wrong is fabricated.It's now become a standard propaganda tactic.Also noticed the one anti gamer shill is really going all in on demoralization and the idea that people can't just seize their own destiny.>>739205243Ironic you say that since California is passing their own version of SKGs and it looks to be entirely grass roots in it's support since the big money interests are all against it, yet it's still managing to get bi-partisan support because it's now going to get a vote in front of the full legislator.
>>739205819But SKG does nothing to stop this, why would it stop devs from pulling their games from stores???
>>739205704nah, most anons use them. I guess you don't care about anonymity, which is why you're not interested in that
>>739205561>implying random filenames will save youNothing that a dedicated schizo who cross references with the archive can't solve.
>>739205704>>739205996samefag
>>739205968Anyone who cares about anonymity doesn't use reaction images.
>>739205656It would indirectly, since the requirement for the software stack to not take away ownership of what you bought for no good reason runs contrary to the remote attested jail architecture.
>>739205704>Only malevolent schizos do thatIs that why the resident malevolent schizo doesn't do that?Do you understand that this entire website was literally built upon anonymity, which is why you have an option to randomize filenames?Trick question: Of course you don't, you're tourist cancer
>>739194147>trying to revitalize your dying nations with populist movements before the draft kicks inLole
>>739205968No, the type of legit crazy people that are on here 18 hours a day back stabbing and astro turfing are the only people doing that
>>739206040cope animefag
>>739198003That's pretty pro-Asia.Most places in Asia hate China.
>>739206094You're not supposed to use reaction images like an avatar, Anon.
>>739206097>It would indirectly, since the requirement for the software stack to not take away ownership of what you bought for no good reason runs contrary to the remote attested jail architectureNo it wouldn't, it does absolutely nothing to stop future locked down OS's. There's no law saying an OS has to be backwards compatible and that never will be changed. I expect the test phases with crash and burn and it will never come to fruition, because who even wants that
>>739206249most places in asia hate each other
>>739206094>Anyone who cares about anonymity doesn't use reaction images.
>>739199340Because it’ll be the only one available to buy eventually.That or you’ll buy an always online game by accident the developers hide that part from you.
>>739198003>chinksect seething because no one likes him except the turd world Slavic shills he hires to spam western websitesKek
>>739206094not really, unless you are an avatarfag
>>739206346>Buy a game>Owner goes bankrupt>Game's certificate never gets updated>Expires>Money stolenDunno anon, sounds like a valid consumer rights case right here
>>739201948>Just MMOsWrong. I can't play Front Mission Online or BattleForge today. I can't even play The First Templar online and there is no fucking reason for that other than Kalypso shut down the servers to be cunts when it's the exact type of game that should have been direct IP connectable anyway.
>>739205324>If the licensed music is the problem can't they just remove it and replace it with whatever shit they find in the copyright free libraries?No.> Article 10 - Third-party rights> Where a restriction resulting from a violation of any right of a third party, in particular intellectual property rights, prevents or limits the use of the digital content or digital service in accordance with Articles 7 and 8, Member States shall ensure that the consumer is entitled to the remedies for lack of conformity provided for in Article 14, unless national law provides for the nullity or rescission of the contract for the supply of the digital content or digital service in such cases.>> -- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019L0770#art_10Removing access to the licensed music is a violation of article 10 of directive 2019/770 on the sale of digital content and enables the same remedies to the consumer as for non-conformance to contract of a product. Which means either a) access to the licensed music is restored or b) the consumer receives a partial refund commensurate to the loss of the music, where it is up to the consumer to judge if the offered refund is adequate enough. If the trader is willing to do neither, it entitles the consumer to terminate the contract - at which point they lose access, but are due a full refund. Either way, the trader then has a right of redress versus the publisher. And since the publisher is not protected by consumer rights that forbid that particular practice, a digital platform like e.g. Steam could perfectly put in its publishing contracts a clause where they could immediately offset such damages against payout of monthly earnings.Basically - if publishers were to do this, it would mean they kill their income.The obvious solution? Negotiate a perpetual license on the music - or don't use sub-licensed music to begin with.
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>>739194230Giving goodwill to governmental bodies to regulate the industry in any capacity (more than it has done since age ratings) is opening Pandora's box to more regulation. You wanna keep politicians as unaware of what happens in gaming as humanly possible, and Ross is doing the opposite because he's mad they disabled The Crew.
>>739206137you really are the tourist here so you don't get it
>>739206585This anon is right. When are we getting rid of government-regulated IP laws?
>>739204760Game developers need to make new games have a playable state after they stop support.That’s it. It’s not even forcing them to fix old games either.
>>739206486>Buy milk>Milk expires>Money stolenMuh heckin cosumer rights! I shouldn't be allowed to buy a transient product! The gubment shoulda stopped me!
>>739206486That's not how it works. It blocks unverified applications, if the application is already installed, how can it be stopped from being installed?>but I can't reinstall itSKG doesn't protect against that either.
>>739206667A videogame is not an inherently transient product, faggot. Bits don't rot.
>>739206585>implying the politicians care about video juegos when they're too busy selling their nations out to the lowest bidders
>>739206185It's been a few minutes since you failed to prove otherwise, so you're a samefagsad
>>739204893>your ISP will require remote attestation and won't let you connect to the Internet on a non-attested OS.The EU still has net neutrality preventing DPI shenanigans by the ISP to block traffic. The EU also has legislation which legally requires ISPs to allow consumers to use their terminating equipment of choice to connect to the internet, mandating that the ISP publish all necesary technical specifications to achieve full interoperability at no charge.
>>739206740The funny part is that cartridges do rot.
>>739205116>>739204992The mobile version of Animal Crossing, Pocket Camp also got an offline release as well after they shut down the original game. So even Nintendo is capable of doing it.Even better, they allowed you to transfer all your progress and items from shut down online version to the offline one.
>>739206818Why do you want that
>>739206464dont you have an israel to die for lil gup?
>>739206726>SKG doesn't protect against that either.But it works under the assumption that if you have matching hardware and software, then you can always run the game. If you can't have matching software because it automatically updates without your consent, that sure sounds like a violation.
>>739206816well then i guess it's time to start selling actual physical products once more instead of digital licenses if you want to avoid getting thrown in prison over not keeping your servers online indefinitely, sabbataiberg
>>739204992All the annual AAA games (from FPSlop to Basketball), as they fuck with the online play in one way or another so that you buy the next tittle.
>>739206867>Moving the goalposts
>>739201174>abolish IP laws as wellYes. And the state as a whole.>>739201749>regulations that are disproportionaly more useful for corporationsRegulations are always disproportionaly more useful to corporations. They are most capable of either complying or side stepping them. It's always smaller companies and individuals that suffer the most. Ask yourself that if something genuinely hurt corporations with near infinite money would you even be able to vote for it? The worldwide push for IDing the internet and even your OS came about because Meta didn't want to pay to implement IDing on a site basis.But you know goycattle will never be convinced that stuff like SKG will have any second-order effects in the long term.>It's called Stop Killing Games. It will only stop games from being killed. What do you have against that chud?Copyright was created in the 1700s and I don't think they understood the ramifications.
>>739206585if the industry didn't want this they should've been smart and not pushed consumers into supporting SKG, reap what you sow
>>739207103Average lolbertarian thinking everything he has doesn't depend on the state
>>739199260I thought this was well documented?I heard that he was fired from the earliest version of Half Life Alyx because his writing was way too dystopic and oppressive, and the characters didn't act like the same people from the original game even in the slightest. In other words, they discovered that he is a writer hack.Since then he's vlogged about other projects and he also parted ways with some of the newer projects he partook in because "It didn't work out". He's got really rampant rosacea and is probably mentally unstable because of it. Also, his vlogs have shit advice and useless ramblings.He is a weak figure all around, and he's putting himself on a pedestal for work that clealy isn't beloved due to his own contributions to it.
>>739194147>Gacha slop gets banned>Asians are forced to make real video games againWtf I love NATO
>>739206980>If you can't have matching software because it automatically updates without your consent, that sure sounds like a violation.Well it definitely isn't and it's weird how these threads constantly claim people don't know what skg really is then make bold lies like this. SKG is about preserving live service shovelware. Full stop. This is the problem with turning things into politics, it creates slimy manipulators and liars like you. You don't care about the truth.
>>739207010"Going back" to physical media that never really left won't change anything because whatever physical media you use is just a physical license to access something that might never be intended to even use whatever content is stored in whatever physical media you have.It's a matter of product design, if your game is 100% reliant on servers to run then it doesn't fucking matter whether who purchases the game has a physical disc or not because said disc doesn't magically create servers somewhere whenever you put it in your machine.
>>739207164wow he looks like he huffs nasal sprays on the regular along with heavy drinking
>>739207113I agree. AAA publishers ruined the industry as finance and sales people got too much power. But once you start actively bringing politics into games like this, it escalates further over time. There will be "committee against game sale exploitation" followed up by "committee against sexism in games" and followed by "committee against failed to launch male gamers" as time passes.
>>739206585Just like how food, buildings, water, medicine, gas, cars, planes, jobs, banking, sexual relationships, waste management, child labor, farming, video games already, retail, loans, education, the justice system itself, law firms, journalism, defimation, firearms, religion, the weekend, holidays, alcohol, drugs, smoking, and raising children.Yup, after all those things, we’re basically Super-Duper 1984 at this point.Well besides copyright laws. Those can stay for some reason.
>>739207360>we’re basically Super-Duper 1984 at this point.omfg the moron brought out the Wells with a Super-Duper added to it, fucking hilarious
>>739205702Nah, the only fun part was pushing that Balthazar larper into the void. Rest of the time I had to deal with broken long rests and MCU-style attempts at humour.
>>739201261That's retarded.
There's 0 good faith argument against this. Rare gov W. BUT, I bet some kike money will find willing pocket and somehow sabotage it (or at least try to).
>>739193960Real talk: The only reason why people want this is because new games aren't good enough to replace the old ones. If there was a good selection of new games to play, no one would give a shit about this movement
>>739201529What does this have to do with anything? If anything it supports his point.
>>739206464Nobody gives a shit about chyna except for zog-owned bureaucrats
>>739207229I strongly hold that so much incoming regulation and parental fear around games and consumer happiness could be solved by just making a PS6 that has zero online connectivity.Make consoles about physical games and split screen, and make it easy to get games for them.You lose some opportunities but you completely solve the risk of there ever being GAAS or Gachaslop, or any of the online toxicity and internet retardation that's so up in the news cycle these days.
>>739207161You are brainwashed. There were forms of government before the modern nation-state and there will be better, more decentralized forms in the future.The state as it exists now is a demonic aberration compared to most of human history. Medieval peasants would have revolted and killed their king if he tried an near-infinitesimal fraction of what modern states get away with.
>>739207663>Medieval peasants would have revolted and killed their king if he tried an near-infinitesimal fraction of what modern states get away with.The vast majority of revolts ended with medieval peasants getting slaughtered back into servitude, with the lords getting the blessing of the church for doing so
>>739207572Yeah those politicians were based and big brained for killing Socrates
>>739207560>people only care about this because *legitimately good reason to care about it*Yeah that's usually how it goes.
>>739207773Now they don't even revolt if it doesn't involve some nigger criminal getting kneeled on. We had actual confirmation the elites including the president of the US are satanic baby eaters and nothing came from it.
>>739207663>There were forms of government before the modern nation-stateYeah, the sort where you still pay taxes to the local lord, and he decides that he has the right to fuck your wife and if you complain he kills you.> and there will be better, more decentralized forms in the future.Good luck with that, the proper states consider those 'decentralized forms' to be 'future territory'
>>739207950Maybe if your kind didn't insistently demonize the government for whatever little thing they did to your masters things would be a bit different.By the way you got warned about voting for the leopard but as usual it's all fun and games until it does eat your face.
>>739206909>>739207618>YOU LIKE JEWS IF YOU DONT LIKE METhe script they give you alcoholic retard turdies is so predictable
>>739196385If you live in the EU, that's blatantly false and can be attributed to Why? Because for one, the EU has enforced better food products that are not (as) cancerous as in the US for example. Any policy that you currently benefit from, including safety, public health, OSHA-like, consumer goods, drivers licenses, fuck even safety belts in cars are a result of governmental intervention which is also a result of politics.You writing>In my entire 36 years of life not even once has a politician done anything to benefit me.isn't an indicator that politicians provide no benefit for you, but that in 36 years you've failed to put 2 and 2 together as you seemily believe that laws and policies that directly benefits you right now are made by literally anyone but policy makers.Additionally, the "I can't see it therefore it's not true", even if that was accurate in your case, would be purely an Anecdotal fallacy and should be discarded outright.
>>739207663The current demon government you hate is based on Lolbert values and is owned by a private bank (yes, despite the name, the Federal Reserve is in fact a private bank).All the demonic shit you hate the government doing is caused by the freedoms the Bill of Rights gives Jews.Without the goverment, all the demonic shit you hate would be 100 times worse.
>>739208321>the scriptThe script is China bad & everyone knows it, so I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to achieve here.
>>739198892>IF IT DOESN'T BENEFIT ME THEN IT SERVES NO PURPOSE
>>739208538Sure it is, chang/vlad.
>>739208350>Because for one, the EU has enforced better food products that are not (as) cancerous as in the US for exampleLol, LMFAO! The EU LOVES feeding infants lead tainted baby formula. It is so bad that even lead infested American market has outright banned EU produced formula for the last two decades. You don't think that sort of attitude carries over to everything else you consume if people don't even give a shit about what Europeans feed their children?
>>739208582>quintuples downYou are the only clown in the room. Just stop.
>>739198892>Ross has played a video game that isn't total goyslop.Dungeon Siege was pretty fun.
>>739208350>muh cancer productsCan you explain why Europe's bowel/stomach cancer rates are just as high as America's despite not being as obese?
>>739208680>he won't stop replying to me after I replied to him with my shill scriptMan you guys are bitchmade
>>739208009>muh right of the first nightBrainwashed goycattle.>>739208438My values aren't democracy or even republicanism. You are barking up the wrong tree. Democracy is a soft form of communism and always leads to tyranny.>uh look see goy it's """private""" that means you must like it
>>739208657What a stupid argument to have. EU has far superior food regulations and food quality in its territory. It's dumb to argue over it.
>>739194917>Whether that means private servers or peer to peer connections, people should be able to play games on local networks without relying on a company to provide dedicated servers that can't be run at home.And why should a company be forced to turn their game from a service into a good? Because you asked?
>>739208657It's fine. US babies already get their daily does of lead from your water, polluted air and hourly mass shooting.
>>739208794>he cries in pain as he...
>>739208350>Because for one, the EU has enforced better food products that are not (as) cancerous as in the US for exampleBut food in the EU is demonstrably not better and the entire administration is bogged down by bloated legislation. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2019/02/23/trash-cows-farm-animals-swallow-metal-and-plastic-wasteThe US has a "safe until proven harmful" approach which fast tracks improvements, whereas everything in the EU is controlled by lobbyists and years of paperwork. The US ranks the 3rd highest in the world for quality and safety of food, as seen herehttps://impact.economist.com/sustainability/project/food-security-index/This is all a lie politicians tell you to manipulate you.
>>739208947really makes you think
>>739208947That saying applies perfectly to changs >ban foreigners from their internet>cry whenever one of their apps is banned hereGlad you brought it up
>>739208908Because the law dictates that it should.
>>739208908They should be forced to turn it into one because they are selling it as one from the start.
>>739208978>safe until proven harmful>you can legally poison people until someone catches upkek
