Maturity is realizing KOTOR 1 is the better game overall because it’s a classic Star Wars story, has better planets, a better soundtrack, and doesn’t try to be some edgy brooding shit
>>739208304>punishes the player for leveling >has limited gameplay styles >has limited effective equipment >has limited useful force powersNah
>>739208304Maturity is realizing KOTOR 1 is better because of Mission
>I'm so mature I want none of the roleplaying mechanics to matter in my roleplaying gameTarris and Manaan are both dogshit by the way.
Kotor2 has much better developed gameplay systems. Of course the unfortunate part is the lack of challenge, so all these refinements just mean you go from being overpowered in a simplistic game to be giga-overpowered in a simplistic game.
>>739208487>I liked Taris, Manaan and PeragusDo I have a medical condition?
What the fuck was his problem?
>>739208304Same but with OoT and Majora's Mask.Sorry, but OoT is the actual classic.
>>739208304>incredible games>both have some of the worst intros in the history of gamingWhy did they do it bros?
>>739208558Man literally too angry to die.
>>739208790The Kotor 1 intro isn’t bad it’s like 10 minutes and you’re done. Taris as a planet is pretty good except for the sewers. Kotor 2 is fucking garbage though
>>739208558He was scottish>>739208790Taris is literally the only great part of KOTOR1. The rest of the game feels half assed.
>>739208304Kotor 2 is dumb because it ignores Starwars.
>>739209373kotor 2 is great because it tries to make Star Wars less retarded and generic
>>739208454Based.
>>739209317You're a retard if you honestly think that. KOTOR 1 is a finished game. 2 is leaking at the seams while propped up with a restoration project.
2 is better in nearly every way but at least 1 is the more complete game
>>739209690Check your reading comprehension. I never said anything about 2 or 1 being unfinished. I said its half assed.
>>739208304This, KOTOR 1 is for fans and KOTOR 2 shits all over the entire franchise.
>>739208304This but with Battlefront
Recommend the best Star Wars games to be a Dark Side Edgelord. I have the Force Unleashed 1 and heard 2 is bad.
>>739208540Nah, you're normal.
>>739208304I replayed both on Xbox a bunch of times but have never completed a playthrough on PC because I hate the UI and all of the tools to change it never fucking work on 1440p. I just want to play it with a controller.
>>739208304>it’s a classic Star Wars storyThat's why it's worse
>>739208558He never took up a good moisturising routine>>739209317Am Scottish, can confirm.
>>739208429The basic non-jedi classes all have their merits though. The scout I think it was called can repair the droid if you put points into the right skill. The droid, HK-47 I think his name was, is a very good companion. Scoundrel was also good for leveling stealth. A stealth jedi guardian can do serious damage iirc.
>>739208304Here classic storyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Ec7_KCbSo
>>739208304Maturity is realizing that arguing anything about Star Wars is infantile, at best.
>>739210653For edgelord doing edgelord things, I think these games are your only options. Jedi Academy lets you fall but it only affects the last couple of missions of the game. If you liked Force Unleashed's gameplay you'll probably like it regardless, though.
>>739208304That isn't maturity, it is just common sense. KOTOR 2 is an unfinished mess. Not even the restoration patch fixes it. >>739208429>punishe payuer for levelingNope. The game is balanced around having a certain amount of non-Jedi class levels.It is better to say that you are rewarded for holding levels. >has limited gameplay styles The exact same as KOTOR 2. >has limited effective equipment >has limited useful force powersNow you are just being retarded. >>739208487Role playing mechanics? You mean literally the exact same shit that is in KOTOR2? Are you people just retarded or merely pretending?>>739209317>The rest of the game feels half assed.Kotor 2 isn't even finished. Kotor 1 is a polished product.
>>739209317>Taris is literally the only great part of KOTOR1. The rest of the game feels half assed.classic bioware
Has the combat system aged well?
>>739210863Emulate the Switch port then
Fucking Kreia's daughter in the cabin next to her is good actually.
>>739213913Find what you're looking for amongst the bed
>>739210863The Switch port is very solid. I only ever played it on PC until I picked it up on Switch for a run-through while I was on the road. I think I had one crash on a reload.>>739211349Any class can repair HK-47. It's a Repair skill check, not a class check. And you don't even need a hard 17 repair because boosts from gear + force valor can get you there from close to base stats for all classes.>>739212759Always holding at 2 has always been dumb tactics from people who don't know how to optimize D&D builds. 4-16 or 5-15 work a lot better for most class combos. You never need the full suite of force powers and the bonus force points Revan gets makes up the difference if you're not a retard.
>>739208304KOTOR I has too much boring MMO tier timewasting going onTatooine should be the best experience and it's a fucking bore fest
I hope the remake gets rid of the complete aids real time with pause combat.
I hope the remake makes it more turn-based
>it's been 23 years and retards are still getting filtered by the combat
I hope the remake explodes every single PC and console playing it
>>739214573mmo type shit is not fun. its boring tedium.
>>739213737>>739214239How can you have the restored content if I emulate it on switch albeit?
>>739214546I'd actually be fine with that. I love turn based games like xcom and fire emblem. Its just real time with pause I hate. Its the worst of both worlds. Either go full real time action or full turn based.
>>739208304being smart is always knowing 1 was better the moment you load up 2 you can see its lower quality
Me playing KotOR 1 the whole time you're not a Jedi and don't have a lightsaber
>>739214710Just did it with EdenThere's a gbatemp thread with a couple of MediaFire links, one of them works out of the box if you import the folder as a mod within the emulator
>>739208304i just finished replaying KotOR and you're wrong. KotOR 2 has way better companions, more than one villain/big boss, and equally good planets. Manaan is the only one that kinda sucks because it's super short. also, KotOR 2 lets you make like half your companions Jedi. i had to use a save editor for Mission to start gaining Jedi levels.
>>739214926>Jedi Missionmite b cool
>>739214818to be fair, that's only the 10 minute tutorial and the first of like five planets. as soon as you leave Taris you go straight to Dantooine and become a Jedi.KotOR 2 doesn't let you build your lightsaber till you've been to what, 4 planets? that's actually my only real complaint about KotOR 2. i always use a save editor or a mod to get a lightsaber early in the sequel.
>>739215110Depends on which planets you go to first, last time I played I went to Nar Shaddaa first and was able to build it then.
>>739215110It took me forever to get off Taris, but I was a dumb teenager when the game came out
>>739215110Peragus -> Telos -> most of your first planet for a lightsaberI don't miss the lightsaber very much these days, though. Unlike KOTOR1, KOTOR2 has Force Deflection and a tricked out vibroblade will outdamage a lightsaber for a long time.
>>739214915can you link it? how the fuck did they even port the mod to the switch version? is it the 2/17/25 thread?
>>739215297Try running a hand-to-hand or gunman build, it's much more viable in K2.
>>739215023it was! she was always a little behind the other Jedi party members, but since i headcanoned her as my Padawan, that made sense. her lightsaber was purple and she wore sith robes for most of the game, till i found the Dark Jedi Master Robe in the temple before the Star Forge. most of the time it was me, her, and Bastilla as the main party and all of us being Jedi was sick.
>>739215375Yeah, dual blasters is one of my favourite playstyles in KOTOR2. Even rifles are pretty good.
>>739215382What skills did you build on her?
I kinda agree. I still love Kreia and the lore 2 introduces, but 1 has the better planets, encounters, and more consistently good companions. Kotor 2 has Kreia and Visas, but the other companions are pretty lame.
I wish there were more games in the Star Wars universe that were so ridiculously detached from the movies that they can be their own thing
>>739215348It should be this one.>mediafire.com/file/7sjt0pdiradxbac/The_Sith_Lords_Restored_Content_Mod_1.8.6_for_Switch.rar/fileIt instantly worked but I already installed the latest game update. You can automatically install mods from the Eden UI without manually messing with folders, look it up.
Zoom zoom here, is KOTOR 1/2 worth getting into today?
>>739208304>Maturity is realizing that games shouldn't try to do anything interesting and should just give me exactly what I think I want foreverMay I remain immature forever, and never go about spewing this normalfag dadgamer shit
>>739215553we were all Force Heal, Speed and Valor merchants, boosting our stats, getting extra attacks, and all capable of healing in a pinch. Mission in particular also got all the Critical Strike feats and a critsaber because that was the first special attack feat she had. we were both Jedi Guardians.
KOTOR 2 is maybe the biggest "what could have been" in video game history.
>>739215737Yes, it's aged very well compared to most other games from its era.
>>739215737They're supposedly remaking both. First one is confirmed.Might as well wait 4 years or something, either they release or they get officially cancelled
>>739215737Yes, if you can handle a bit of jank. It's a 3D RPG trying to present as an action game from 2003/2004. Despite all that, both games are pretty good.>KOTOR 1Classic Star Wars story. High stakes story (that's obvious about it), though its gameplay is simpler and the UI is not nearly as good. 7/10.>KOTOR 2Reimagining of Star Wars themes. Far more subtle and deconstructionist story (but actually good, unlike modern Star Wars slop). Gameplay is more fleshed out and the writing is way better. Only major objective flaw compared to 1 is that it was rushed near the end, so the final level can feel a bit scarce compared to everything else. 9/10 (and easily top 3 of star wars games).
>>739208304wtf /v is full of retro threads? are nu games so bad?
Can someone from Saber Interactive just leak if 1's remake is fucking real or not and what is same/different? Tryna get 1 out of the way so hopefully we get a juicy 2 remake.
>>739215737they are... dated. i feel like this is most noticeable in that the world/zones do not feel very big. they're still GREAT story games, though, and i would recommend them to any fan of Star Wars and narrative-driven RPGs.
>>739215682before this thread 404s can you link the thread i just want to read the discussion
>>739215878No, all of the top 5 games (at least) in that category were made by Squeenix.
>>739215382Jedi Mission is a neat idea but I really like her getting full sneak attack bonuses from her scoundrel class. I like to bring her if I make a consular. I freeze the enemies with stasis and she melts them with sneak attacks. Peak team synergy.
>>739208304I replay the second game more just because there's more build variety. I wish there was a mod for the first game that added the KotOR II crafting system, new feats/force powers and the leveling system in general. Maybe even find a way to have the prestige system. I also like the randomized loot in II.
>>739216040>gbatemp.net/threads/knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-switch-modding.635861/
>>739208304Maturity is realizing that regardless of story or music or any other stupid shit thats not gameplay, gameplay is the only things that matters in a VIDEOGAME and if you want a good story to go read a fucking book you illiterate nigger.
>>739210519It's crazy how much better BF1's levels play in BF2 though.Fun Fact: Lucas Arts was mostly responsible for BF2's shift into closer quarter combat compared to BF1 because they wanted more detailed environments.There are modders who take this in stride and try to make a combination of BF1 and BF2 level design, here's a really good one, https://www.moddb.com/games/star-wars-battlefront-ii/addons/tatooine-mos-goftiI wish it was on the Xbox but I think this level would make the Xbox shit itself.
I like that KOTOR has quality of life features despite being old, unlimited inventory is a godsend and the option to insta-travel to hideout and return is neat. Any other comfy crpgs like KOTOR?
>>739215947>They're supposedly remaking both. First one is confirmed.Sony pulled the plug and Embracer Group picked it up supposedly but there hasn't been any news since the initial teaser in 2020. I'm not holding out any hope that it will ever come out. We've been down this road before with KotOR III with Obsidian beginning work on it, then LucasArts kicked them off of it because they wanted to do it, then it was paused indefinitely, then supposedly Bioware was going to do it if TOR was successful, which never happened.
>>739216173>go read a fucking bookWhat book should I read for a good story, Milking Farm or 50 Shades of Grey?
>>739208304>because it’s a classic Star Wars storyWhy would I possibly care that it's, by your own words, a more generic story? What a stupid thing to make a positive. >omg guys it's as generic as all the other Star Wars slop I love and made a core part of my identity because my personality sucked!!!!!
>>739209121>The Kotor 1 intro isn’t bad it’s like 10 minutes and you’re done.Taris is still part of the the intro and no, the planet is ass after the first time.
What are some essential mods on pc version? Im gonna start a new playthrough
anyone that posts a giant dissertation talmabout kotor 2 > kotor 1 = giant fagato
>>739215737Yes. They’re both really good Star Wars experiences. 2 is significantly better of the two but they’re both good and 1 is absolutely required reading for 2.>>739215947They never said they were remaking 2. They were remaking 1 but they let Sam Maggs write it and she butchered it so far beyond recognition that even Disney said “the fuck is this shit?” The games don’t need remakes, the need patches so they work right on modern OS without crashing all the goddamn time.
>>739216782Ironic considering how faggy this post of yours is.
>>739216906I got them to work on Windows 7 about a decade ago, but nothing newer than that.
>>739208304It also has the best twist in Star Wars history. I don’t remember what happened in KOTOR II other than Kreia being a sith in the end which felt lazy.
>>739216992There is no revelation, no great secret. There is only you.
>>739216992Thats not even a twist. The game explicitly tells you within tne first two hours that Kreia is a Sith.
>>739216967They are absolutely crash happy on Windows 10+. Oddly enough, they run pretty stable on Linux with certain versions of proton.>>739216992Kreia tells you that she is a sith multiple times. That isn’t a plot twist. She also explicitly tells you that there is no plot twist at the end of the game, “there is only you.”
>>739216906Really all you need to do is download a patch, or get into the .ini file and add the line "AllowWindowedMode=1" and change the value of "Fullscreen=1" to "Fullscreen=0" under graphics settings if you can't be bothered to copy the contents of a zip file. If you're running an AMD igpu, you want to use Heroic to launch the game and run it with Proton if you're on Linux.
For "servants of the light" good guys the Jedi were kind of jackholes in both KOTOR games. They only look batter because their opponents are literal kill puppies and eat babies tier cackling evil in the Sith.
>>739208429KOTOR 2 still heavily clears in my opinion and I believe would universally be agreed upon if it was finished. All of the systems in the game are an upgrade to the first game. Influence system, crafting, skills actually mattering, feats, powers. All of them. The only planet that feels better in 1 vs 2 is Korriban. Korriban was great in 1 but 2 its obviously unfinished and dogshit. Going Dark Side in 1 feels forced. Its made to be your Star Wars theme park game where yay I am a Jedi. 2 adds humanity into the game and you can weave pretty well between dark and light without feeling like you're playing as a goodie goodie or just an evil edgelord. Only good companion in 1 is Jolee and maybe Canderous but he feels so out of place. I am not saying 2 does not have its flaws but its insane how much better it is than 1 with being rushed out in under 16 months. We can't even get a remake of 1 in 6 fucking years now a days.
>>739217126For me it was an issue with newer video drivers being incompatible with the KOTOR engine; rolling back to an older version fixed it. Dunno if that'll work on Win10 or later though, I abandoned Windows.
>>739217203I just use GE proton 9-2 and its stable as fuck with windowed mode.On windows 10 it still crashes frequently after multiple movies play in a row.
>>739208304>KOTOR 2 is>edgy brooding shitJust admit you were filtered by Kreia.
>>739217324I seem to remember it running pretty well in Windows 10 on my old Ryzen 1600/RX 480 rig in windowed. I only remember running into one crash toward the end of the game on The Leviathan and the fix was to play that part in 800x600.
>>739215947that remake has been in the works for a decade and has been scrapped multiple times. it's never happening.
>>739217346LOL I still see people to this day bitching and moaning about the beggar on Nar Shaddaa. Normie NPCs wanted to play an epic heroic power fantasy where they're always right and instead got told that they're fucking retards and spazzed out.
>>739217346>Year of our Lord 2026>mfw plebs still don’t realize Kreia wanted you to be a pure-hearted hero (minus the room temp IQ)
>>739218137The problem people have with it is that you cannot make the correct choice as Kreia sees it to avoid her lectures, and that's usually the case for every decision in the game. You can kick a puppy or be a saint, and Kreia will try to make you think about why you made the choice you did, and most people don't have an answer.
>>739218390She didn't want you to be a pure-hearted hero, she just wanted you to be able to articulate why you make a certain decision. She only has a problem with you being a raging, psychotic dickhead who compulsively murders everyone because it means you'd end up killing the Jedi Masters and that means she doesn't get to prove them wrong.
>>739218390She wants you to be good, but she doesn't want you to be dogmatic like the jedi were. Conflict between jedi and sith is often distilled as good versus evil, but it's really passion versus apathy. You can't be good if you're not whole, and the jedi teach you to carve out your humanity to control your passions, while the sith are entirely consumed by them. She spends the whole game trying to make you self aware, human.
>>739218571I tend to think of it as order versus chaos. The Jedi basically want you to be a droid who always obeys. The Sith formed as a reaction to that.
>>739218414The writers also gave you the option to tell her to get fucked in just about every encounter. It's almost like they knew there would be players that legitimately don't care what she has to say and wrote dialog on both the light and dark side that is dismissive of her. Atton even tells you as soon as you escape Peragus that she seems to want to earn your respect meanwhile she hardly says two words to him.
>>739218390She wants you to take your own path not bound by either the jedi or sith ideologies
>>739208304KOTOR 2 > KOTOR 1KOTOR 1's final planet > KOTOR 2's final planetSimple as
>>739218754That leads into the funny part where people who complain about Kreia will then follow up with>yeah but that loses influence :(As if Kreia's influence means anything, and negative influence will open up the lore conversations the same as positive influence will.
>>739218414Nar Shaddaa has another quest where she is very reactive and illustrates exactly what she wants.Helping Lootra and accepting credits or telling him to never give up hope makes her mad. However, helping him and then telling him to pay it forward will have her compliment your actions.
>>739218741That's a good interpretation also, as orderly as the sith arrange themselves in empires and rules of two, they remain chaotic at a fundamental level as a result of their uncontrolled passions. The jedi are the opposite, it's all about control, control of yourself, control of the force, maintaining order in the republic, forming consensus on issues.
I like both games and don't really give a shit which one is better.
>>739218832Rakata Prime is pretty bad and boring, plus you are stuck there without any side activities. Star Forge is shit with its endless waves of enemies constantly spawning in.The Ravager/Return to Telos mission was good. Malachor is boring but its very short.
>>739219051>However, helping him and then telling him to pay it forward will have her compliment your actions.She's very big on the whole echo thing. Ironically you only get a straight explanation on the dark side route. Every action causes echoes in the force, good action or evil, it can be used to improve the galaxy or weaponised to destroy it.
>>739219108>it's all about control, control of yourself, control of the force, maintaining order in the republicThe Sith are all about control too, or at least the version of them we most often see are. We hardly ever see any Sith who follow their passion by just smoking a bunch of drugs and fucking whores, it's always got to be some stupid bullshit about drinking puppy blood.
>>739219271I think they're more about power than about order. Lust for power can look like a desire for order, but it's not imposition of order out of a fundamental belief in order for its own sake.
>>739219271Thats because most sith are weak and they think they have to do every retarded thing to be strong or they’ll be killed. The strongest sith is one above retardation. Thats why Revan was utterly uninterested in using the star forge other than as a factory even though a tard like Malak could read the instructions for the whole “dark side engine” function.
Cant talk about Kotor 2 because I never played it but 1 is the best Bioware gameBetter than anything that came afterwards at least.
>>739219134I rank it like that because it is the only genuine time you CAN be evil in KOTOR 1. It has meaningful choices (albeit the game is basically over) compared to the rest of the game. I did an evil blaster playthrough of both of them and KOTOR 1 was utter baked ass for that run until I got to rakata prime, sure the Star Forge is just an endless combat gauntlet but before getting there I was cackling at enjoying my evil ass route. KOTOR 2 was much better of a game across most of it until getting to Malachor where it just felt pretty mid. I guess that cut up retard was a fun fight to fight (over and over and over). Krea's boss fight and the ending felt so ass though.
>>739219430Dragon Age Origins is basically KOTOR1 but better. To a much lesser extent, so is Mass Effect
>>739219430Not a fan of mass effect? I guess I can't blame you considering how the sequel games ended up, but the first one wasn't too bad.
>>739208304>ObsidianWhy do people still glaze these faggots? can't even release a game that isn't a buggy pile of shit.
>>739219530They're still riding the good will from both Kotor 2 and New Vegas all these years later.
>>739208304kotor 1 is more childish and infantile than JRPGs. It just has better prose and that is pretty much it
>>7392083042 can still be played like a classic Star Wars story though, the sub plots on each planet are just like 1 but with less fantasy racism shoved in.
>>739219352Maybe not, but practically speaking the effects end up being very similar for people who have to live with them. You have the Jedi going "we must impose order because it's the will of the banking clan the Force" and the Sith who say "I'm going to impose order on you, I on the other hand can do whatever I want".>>739219380Sometimes I wonder how strong Revan really was in the Force. He might have been the strongest up to that point, but there are tons of Force users after him who did much more impressive Force feats. But Revan was smart and not just strong.
>>739219651You mean you don’t like Juhanni, the abrasive lesbian who does nothing but rail against “human privilege?”
>>739208304KOTOR 1 is better because it isn't a broken half-finished messKOTOR 2 mostly being lots of analysing jedi/sith philosophy through a nietzschean morality lens is cute but it's not that interesting if you're already familiar with subject matter. I think some people who played it were being exposed to it for the first time and they enjoyed the novelty but it's honestly pretty clumsy in execution and not so appealing without that.
Just installed KOTOR 1 and 2. Never played them before. What am I in for? Do they hold up well after all this time? What should I know beforehand? Any advice?
>>739219760The other thing Kotor 2 does good is power fantasy, by the end of the game you're carving your way through actual armies and almost singlehandedly swinging the outcomes of wars.
>>739217259In defense of the Jedi in the first game they were spread thin due to the war with the sith, plus what they did with Revan is smarter than people give them credit for. 2 was just them being jackasses the whole time.
>>739219760Kotor 2 is better because the writing doesn’t come across like an 12 year old redditor wrote it.
>>739219889yeah it comes across like a 15 year old redditor, big improvement
>>739208454No that bitch glitched my Darkside playthrough
>>739219508ME1 was a good concept with poor execution. The sequels just capitalized in the "dudebro" factor.I was never a fan of DA, neither the characters nor the gameplayKOTOR 1 is one of the best expanded universe pieces of media. Its to Star Wars what Fate of Atlantis was to Indiana Jones, the last swan song
>it’s a classic Star Wars storySo it's derivative shit. 'Chosen one' stories so fucking original.
>>739219829>What am I in for? Gizka>Do they hold up well after all this time? Yes>What should I know beforehand?Skills are mostly useless in the first game but much more important in the second>Any advice?Mookoo shaka paka
Would newer dnd editions work better mechanically for starwars stuff?
>>739219829They're both based on D&D 3.5e, so it's pretty straightforward, pick feats you want based on what you want your guy to be doing. For Kotor 1, it's better to hold your level ups until you get your jedi class, but it's not necessary, you can complete the game as a blaster user.
>>739210519Did they ever fix the BF1 Renaster? Since I never see BF1 threads I guess not.
>>739219729Revan was a charismatic leader, when most jedi/sith masters are unlikable assholes who rule through law/fear
>>7392106532 is the definitive edgekino game though.its only easylifers (people with easy lives need escapism into difficulty therefore like hard videogames, and vice versa) who hate on it because you go through the game literally forceRAPING everyone.
>>739219974What do you mean work better? 3.5e was fine. If you mean better as in more accessible, then sure, 5e is great for barely sentient mouthbreathers.
>>739210653I really enjoyed being a sith lord and corrupting everyone in KOTOR 2.
>>739210653
>>739219829They are both pretty easy games, so don’t sweat the details. In 1 I would go either soldier/guardian or scoundrel/consuler, scout/sentinel is skill based and skills kinda suck in that game. For 2 anything works especially if you take advantage of the crafting and upgrade systems.
>>739220137Palpatine's biggest strength was also non-Force-based. He had the political skills to fool enough of the galaxy into supporting him to get power, and he actually managed to take over the galaxy that way where the old Sith empire failed. People pay too much attention to how many midichlorians you have and not enough to what you can do outside of shooting lightning and choking bitches, which was Kreia's point.
A WIP cinematic for the scrapped Aspyr version of the KOTOR remake got leaked the other day: https://streamable.com/eyv2zg
>>739209317>He was scottishWe gotta turn Colin Mochrie back to normal!
>>739219829Don't dual wield until you've taken the feats to do so. The default dual wield attack penalty is like -6/-10 which is a flat 30/50% chance of missing onto whatever your hit chance was to begin with. You won't be able to hit shit.
>>739220273kek
>>739219829imo they're not games you play for the gameplay, it's not really deep enough to be that interesting on that level. it has more to offer as a choose your own adventure narrative
>spam force storm on everything that movesnothin personnel jedi ;)
>>739220334The plaguis book was kino for showing how obsessing over the force can fuck you over. Be the most competent person you can be, the force powers are just an extra bonus.
>>739220472The Palpatine Gambit
>>739220472Was that form that gave you more force point regen bugged or something because you basically have infinite Force powers after you get it
>>739220472The exiles face was so fucked up I had a hard time figuring out the gender.
>>739220503
>>739220524It's not bugged, it's just badly balanced.
>>739208304I think they're nice complimentary pieces. kotor 1 hits all the right notes for a classic star wars experience while kotor 2 is a good criticism of that classic star wars experience that's self aware it wouldn't exist without the first game.
>>739220334While the classic films never explained it it was implied in other works that Palpatine had been using a large scale mind control tricks to keep most politicians and military leaders under control, short of like The Mule in Asimov's Foundation.
>>739220628It would have been more impressive if he wasn't and the bare faced truth is that it was just that easy to rearrange a republic into an empire, just as rome was.
>>739220472If you're a DCmaxxing Consular it's possible to get your Force Kill DC high enough for it to work on her. You need a DC of about 60, which is just barely achievable.
>>739220348I'd be curious to see more. Assuming that's real, it wouldn't be an unfair inference that it would've some sort of action game with prerendered cutscenes. That would make the rumor that they changed Canderous to a female and rewrote parts of the game make a lot more sense.
First time I ever played Kotor 1 I did it without using lightsabersThe last boss was so fucking retarded and unfunI hate jedis, I hate space wizards
>>739220472>>739220694Wrong image. I have two light-side Jedi images in the same column in that folder
>>739220694Why so many points in constitution?
>>739220472based and sheevpilled
>>739220138I can't believe these games were a better mid-quel story than the disney canon despite being an edgelord simulator. at least sam witwer still got work afterword.
>>739220754I don't even remember what that character was for
>>739220694wimp lo exile
>>739220715I did a heavy armor jedi at one point and used the sword from the sith tomb with the star map that does poison damage as my primary weapon with one of the swords from the Yavin station dlc. Shit was overpowered. Idk man, stack strength and hoard consumables.
>>739220754constitution is the best attribute in 2.
>>739220749Bigger DC
>>739219957>>739219975>>739220291>>739220390>>739220461Thank you, anons.
>>739220843Is it because of the implants?
>>739220843Is it really though? Charisma and wisdom seem better because it turns you into an unkillable force god. What need do you have for health when you can just heal yourself back to max in one turn?
>>739220946Yes, some give crazy ass stat bonuses.
>>739208304Maturity is realizing Star Wars is shit lol
>>739220946implants plus it gives raw hp. you generally want 16 constitution when you create a character. even guardian start, which has plenty of hp, wants it so they can use good implants.
>>739210863There's a mod that fixes the UI resolution, just install that. It's basically a requirement to play KOTOR1 on PC.
>>739210653I feel like being able to be a Sith has been missing in recent Star wars games.
>>739221119Erm, Disney is wholesome chungus chud, now enjoy a woc with a messed up face and mcu quips.
>>739220969The 18-CON implants give +3CON/DEX/STR or INT/WIS/CHA, which is 9 attribute points for 8 spent on constitution. Even the 16 con ones have similar point efficiency for lower total HP. Because spell DCs are 5 + level + wis + cha modifiers it means high constitution will boost casters as much as pumping WIS or CHA directly.
>>739220995star wars is shit, but kotor is the one good piece of star wars media ever made. I don't know how every other star wars product manages to be so terrible, even after ownership changes, but kotor is legit
>>739220946https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II:_The_Sith_Lords/Implants#D-PackagesThe implants aren't that great, the D packages require a stat investment greater than the implants yield, the real bonus is that they let you save on feats and provide status immunities, but that's not anything you can't bypass the need for by dumping into wisdom for absurd DCs on your own disabling force powers.
>>739220995It's really just two good movies and a half dozen decent video games.
>>739210249suppose we hate the fans though? buncha genx manchildren
>>739219508I never played ME in the heyday and want to check it out since it's been recommended so much. Is it better to play the PS3/360 version or the modernized one? Did they cut content?
>>739215737''getting into'' such a retarded statement, just play the game nigger
>>739221221Efficient on point to point cost, but it costs you the higher breakpoints that come with dumping into any one of those stats. INT is something you want a lot of early since it just gives you points for skills, by the time you're getting the D packages, INT has ceased to matter as a stat iirc.
>>739221438Can't you infinitely level grind in KOTOR 2 because of a glitch anyway
>minmaxxingI mean I do it too but what's the point, the game is piss easy
>>739221534First I'm hearing of it if you can.>>739221547Autism. Autism is the point.
>>739221284I did the math when I set out to build this character >>739220889 and the Mental Boost System is a net benefit to your DCs when starting attribute costs are taken into account.16 con + 16 wis + 16 cha is possible to achieve by dumping other attributes, which gives you access to the Mental Boost System for an effective starting total of 16 con + 19 WIS + 18 CHA (as soon as you're high enough level for them to start rolling them as drops).At that point if you start pumping your WIS or CHA you'll end up with 2-3 DC higher than someone who spent all their starting points in WIS and CHA.
>>739221361If you play the PC version of the LE, you can get all the content including Pinnacle Station which they cut because the incompetent indians who remastered it couldn’t do what a few modder could.The only other noticeable omission is the my censored the buttshots on Miranda’s scenes (which can also be modded back in)>>739221583He is referring most likely to the hssiss glitch, but there are actually three infinite xp glitches for KOTOR2 vanilla. Hssiss is just the fastest.
>>739221583If I recall correctly, there is an infinitely spawning set of mobs you can keep triggering on Korriban to farm EXP. It's slow, but you can basically do it forever.
>>739221284immunity package is great for the crit and stun immunities if you aren't running a sentinel.
>>739215989>DUDE OLD GOOD NEW BAD LMAOAlternatively, there are just way more old games (and therefore more good old games) you troglodyte.
>>739221685Ah, so strength and dex are the dump stats for this and you just rely on force valor to boost those when you need to?
>>739215989>kotor and kotor 2 are retroFuck off retard. You can call them retro when technology has actually progressed.
>>739208790Peragus is one of the biggest pleb filters in gaming. Great atmosphere with interesting characters and sideplots. Takes like an hour to get through too. Telos station is fine too, but the ground part is a bit shite. Probably the worst area of the game, but it's still an amazing game. So is KOTOR 1, people who praise one and hate the other are fucking retarded.
>>739221962sure if you want to space wizardyou can also go full unga double sabers or full dex blasters and shoot through everyone's bolt deflection.
I have never engaged with pazaak to this day
>>739222102Pazaak is pure bullshit in 1. The changes they made in 2 make it a little more fair, but you really want to use the 3/6 and 2/4 flips as they are the best cards.
>>739222102You didn't beat either game. Next you'll tell me you didn't do the swoop races either.
>>739222040>people who praise one and hate the other are fucking retardedIt is the entire site man bunch of tribalist blue vs red retards, no nuance to their thoughts. Only me side good u side baddie, I fucking hate all of you.
>>739222254No I did the swoops!
>>739222315Ah okay, you're alright then anon.
>>739222258A third position is just another tribe
>he didn't beat Bendak Starkiller
I love KOTOR 1 & 2 so fucking much bros. There's only a handful of games I've replayed once, but I've played KOTOR 1 & 2 all the way through 1-2 at least 10 times each
>>739222432I did that at level 2, it was a pain used grenades and pausing.
>>739221962Yeah. That sort of build is one you go into with full knowledge that you're probably not going to be beating any of the battle circles, though. Most combat is solved with spells and Energy Resistance.
>>739222545They're good games.
>>739222845>not just walking into them so they ring-outAmazed the game recognises it because there's no way it will happen in normal combat, I guess you have Force Push at that point too
>>739208304It has a lot of problems. Chiefly, dual wielding vs dueling or doubled bladed weaponry is downright broken in terms of APT and damage with crystal modiferes. The sentinel is utter trash next to Guardians or Consulars. Certain builds are game busting due to a lack of scaling at late game.
>the mysteeeeeeeeeeeeeeerious straaaangerrrrr
>>739208304Yeah, I recently played them both and I choose the first too as the better game, classic BioWare soul
>>739225786>her handsteehee
>>739221690I see, thanks. Checked the Legendary Edition on steam and...>requires Origin bullshit>requires EA accountthis is why I hate EA games on PC... Fuck.
>>739222040I really like Peragus. It's cool seeing an assassin droids actually be more than a upgraded battle droid.That HK-50 killed the entire facility without firing a shot.
>>739227190And then it was immensely disappointing that every following HK-50 was just an upgraded battle droid
>when you realize that kotor 2 is more lucas aligned than kotor 1
>>739227417I heard lucas fucking hated kotor2
why are star wars games so allergic to ayy pc's? you'd think with how many beloved ayys there are in the franchise there would at least be more than three games that let you be one
Remember when Bastilla turned to the dark side for 5 minutes before you turned her back after 3-4 dialogue options.Now that's classic star wars!
I don't really understand why people say 1 is a "classic Star Wars" story or whatever. The Empire only fell and Palpatine died because Luke rejected the teachings of his masters (they wanted him to assassinate Vader). Doesn't even align with anything prequel related either because those movies are just "the Jedi are fucking wrong about everything".In K1 you are the strongest best Jedi ever and you just beat Malak to death and Bastilla uses her superpower to make the Republic militarily defeat the Sith Empire.
>play kotor for the first time as a teen>get to the scene where malak tortures bastila
>>739227809>Doesn't even align with anything prequel related either because those movies are just "the Jedi are fucking wrong about everything".Thats because george is a fucking moron. He accidentally made the Jedi look like a bunch of retarded know it all assholes but his intention was that they were all wise, good, perfect and correct
>>739228065>accidentally anon the jedi in the prequels were retarded on purpose yoda even calls this out in ep 2 that the jedi are becoming increasingly arrogant in their abilities, including the older ones this is shown time and time again throughout the movie when obi wan does something stupid, but then chastises anakin for doing something equally reckless, or mace windu telling palpatine that they aren't soldiers only to later on lead the jedi, and later on the clones, head first into a battleep 3 also has them being full on hypocrites, with a lot of what they say and what they want anakin to do directly driving him into sidious' palmobi wan and mace windu are the idea jedi of the order in their time, they follow the code to a tunfortunately, the order is arrogant and corrupt, they cannot see the threat that has been right under their noses until it's too late
>>739228295You realize that George is so retarded that he made Obi Wan say “Only a sith deals in absolutes” to Anakin’s “if you aint with us, you’re against us” only because he thought it would be an effective “fuck you” to Dubyah? He didn’t actually realize that that phrase IS an absolute, making Obi Wan look like a retarded hypocrite. George was never operating with a full deck.
>>739228396anon obi wan is a retarded hypocrite, that doesn't make him a bad characterhe constantly fails to recognize that anakin's slipping or do anything meaningful about it this was present in the ot as well when he keeps pushing for luke to kill vader, when that would've lead to him being the emperor's pawn as well
>>739228468My point is that Obi Wan is not SUPPOSED to be a retarded lying hypocrite, but he was written by an incompetent autismo
>>739228516>"Luke we must train you to kill Vader there is no other option!"
>>739228516obi wan has been a flawed character since 1980 made him a liarunlike yoda who saw the flaws in the old way and taught luke to trust the force and be in control of himself, obi wan lies to luke about who anakin and vader are and tries to goad him into killing his father because he was unable to in the past
>>739227741>being electrocuted ends >no longer have to tell lies to make it stop >wah-lah >not actually dark side torture doesn't work it only causes pain and pain only produces lies because pain isn't real
>>739208487>Tarris and Manaan are both dogshit
>>739227741>play pure light side the whole game>malak does a piss poor job of turning her>show him how it's really done>make her turn all the way on a whim
>>739227509Has Lucas ever acknowledged the games besides Shadows of the Empire?
>>739230063What does Mr Satan have to do with that
>>739230749he was sorta involved with tfu
>>739230749He was kind of hands off with games after I think... Dark Forces II? because he had a "oh wow this is violent", until The Force Unleashed.
>>739208429I'm trans btw
>>739228295>anon the jedi in the prequels were retarded on purpose Every single character is retarded in the prequels
>>739231265How is that any different from the OT?
>>739231356It's not, because Lucas was and is a weirdo who just wanted to mash together westerns, samurai movies and sci-fi and did so at just the right time to become a billionaire off of it.
>>739231356I almost wrote a serious response and then realised there's no way you aren't trolling
>>739231592Name 4 non retarded characters. I know you can't make it to 5
>>739231623Luke, Han Solo, Leia, Darth Vader, Jackie Chan
>>739231698>LukeConstantly put everyone around him in danger. Abandoned them for training he didn't even want then abandoned the training too. Nearly ended the rebellion by chasing his father>HanHis retardation got his friends captured and put him in carbonite>LeiaPrincess of a comfy world played rebel and got her own planet destroyed for no reason>VaderServed the Emperor for years then killed him and himself destroying everything he worked for
>>739230805figure it out
>>739231925You're confusing characters being flawed and making mistakes like real people for being stupid, the characters actions and motivations make sense in the OT.In the prequels for the plot to work there needs every character needs to be stupid and make nonsensical decisions.>ok Anakin is DANGEROUS and we sense great danger in him, it would be a bad idea to train him>lets do it anyway>Anakin is grown up now and he's clearly emotionally unstable and at a danger of falling to the dark side>so lets antagonize him further by not making him a jedi knight (which is pointless since we already trained him anyway) and making him hang out with the guy we suspect is a sith lord and is clearly interested in recruiting him>Anakin is seduced by Sheev because of the claim that the dark side can save people from dying>but then after he betrays the jedi and Sheev reveals he CAN'T actually stop people from dying, instead of just fucking decapitating him Anakim GOES ALONG with it and does his bidding WITHOUT QUESTION>"huhhh but maybe together we can figure out how to do it :)" which is POINTLESS because Padme is pregnant RIGHT NOW and Anakin knows she will die at childbirthEtc etc etc, it's all compounding levels of stupidity in the prequels where nothing fucking makes sense if you stop to think about for more than 1 second and I could do this all day but I think I've made my point.
>>739228396>He didn’t actually realize that that phrase IS an absoluteDidn't he? Maybe that was the intention.
>>739208304What's insane is that these games are over 20 years old and we basically haven't gotten a real Star Wars WRPG since then. It boggles the mind how fucking hard Disney dropped the ball with Star Wars vidya in particular. At least with the movies and TV shows they tried and failed. With vidya they've barely shit out a couple games across the span of over a decade. Even from a pure greed perspective, it's just leaving piles of money on the table.
>>739231925This is fucking retarded.>Constantly put everyone around him in danger. They were already in danger, they were in a war.>His retardation got his friends captured and put him in carboniteThe Falcon was running on fumes and he had no other option but to hope Lando was trustworthy, and Lando probably would have helped him if the Empire didn't force him to betray Han.>got her own planet destroyedThis is like "stop hitting yourself" tier.>Served the Emperor for years then killed him and himself Literally mandated by prophetic destiny.
>>739232608He was trying to say anyone who says “if you aren’t with me, you are my enemy” is a sith, which at the time was one of the many dumb things that President Bush said and was strongly associated with him (Dead Rising 2 has a similar joke, about half a decade late but it was made by leafs who are always a decade late for everything). It was pretty clear that making Anakin say that then having Obi Wan say that “that’s something only a sith would say” was supposed to be a jab at bush. The problem is, he is such a retard that he didn’t do it right. He should have said “you sound just like a sith” or something because then Obi Wan wouldn’t be retard.The historical context of the scene is lost on zoomers who weren’t there and think that its supposed to be some sort if deep ponderous moment about the jedi being just as bad as the sith at that moment in time but no, its just George fucking up again. Jedi are always good, Sith are always bad and there is no nuance according to him.
>>739233023>many dumb things that President Bush said Yeah I remember that. And then a bunch of liberals decided he wasn't so bad when Trump got in.>its just George fucking up again. Jedi are always good, Sith are always bad and there is no nuance according to him.Is that really George's will or is that just the normie headcanon because they think they're always right and they project that onto the Jedi?
>>739233290George hates the idea of gray jedi or gray morality. I am of the opinion that George was aware of some of Kreia’s dialogue and inserted a scene where Palpatine recites a line of hers nearly verbatim in episode 3.>“One quickly learns that the Jedi Code does not give all the answers. If you are to truly understand, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea.”Vs>”if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace... a larger view of the Force."
Overall I did like KOTOR2 and I do want to replay it at some point but whenever I think about it I remember multiple THAT PARTs and I wimp out.>the two twileks vs Atton in the bar>Telos surface being way harder than anything before it>consistantly failing, then save scumming the battle circle fights>the part when you only control Mira, my memory is fuzzy on specifics but I remember being frustrated. She doesn't have any levels, or you never get to use her before this so don't really know what she is good at so can level her wrong or somethingI understand these where most likely very hard for me due to it being the first time playing and not preparing/leveling properly and my general retardation. While the first issue is null having now played it, The second, I fear is unsolvable
>>739233813Telos’s surface is just boring and lame.Atton can be made a jedi prior to that fight very easily.Mira’s section can largely be ran past except for the Hanharr fight which is kinda a bitch but if you level her up to about 12 she is fine (don’t worry, thats plenty of levels left for jedi powers, levels max out at 50)
>>739233813>the two twileks vs Atton in the barI still instinctively put all my best mines all over that place and then run behind a table. I think I had a bad time there as a kid or something.
>>739234207>I think I had a bad time there as a kid or something.Odds are you made him a blaster dude, but didn't get him the feat that negates the drawbacks of blasters in close quarters, so he both sucked at melee because wasn't statted for it and couldn't use his blasters because the twins kept jumping his dick. At least that was the problem I had when I was a kid, I've turned him into a dex fag duelist for every subsequent run because of it so he can switch to melee for that one fight. It doesn't stop me putting mines down in advance out of habit, but I don't spam them like I used to.
>>739227559Not just games. All of Star Wars is allergic to ayys. The only alien protagonist that comes to mind is the orange bitch Obi Wan and Anakin DPd.
>>739234916Wait I guess now there's Darth Maul and Devon, pretty sweet additions. But Devon is just Dark Asshoeka.
>>739233570I remember an interview where he said something like he wanted more complexity than "good vs evil, good wins". But then other times he said the Jedi were the ultimate moral authority of the galaxy. Basically George changes his mind a lot.>>739233813Atton should have just seduced the chicks.
>>739233813Battle circle fights were easy, so was Telos. The only actually hard part of the game is on Malachor V when you're playing as the remote, and then only if you didn't do a good job of clearing out the beasts beforehand.
>>739209560I hope they age her up 4 years and make her romanceable in the remake
>>739236989I hope they don't age her up 4 years and make her romanceable in the remake.
>>739237016I'd love that too but I'm conditioned to keep my hopes reasonable
>>739236989>>739237016>influence lost: Kreia>influence gained: Kreia
>>739236989>4 years16 is legal in most states and on most planets fyi
>>739237114Women aren't legal in media until they're 32 otherwise you get called icky on twitter
>>739209690what if i'd rather eat a sandwich loaded to the gills with fillings to the point its falling apart than eat a regular sandwich?
>>739237091>dark side points gained>light side points gained>influence gained: Atton>influence lost: Mira>influence gained: HK-47>influence lost: Captain Kirk>influence gained: Trump
>>739237273>net dark side shift>you have permanently lost one point of wisdom>you have permanently gained one point of constitution>journal updated
>>739237461If the game gets remade it'll be>Buy the DLC for $10 to read the rest of this list
>>739233813the Twi'leks that jump Atton are pretty rough on a first playthrough because players probably auto-level Atton and don't pay attention to his gear. on a second playthrough, knowing that they're coming, you can prepare Atton much better for that encounter. even without resorting to mines. Mira is more difficult because she doesn't have access to any of your stored equipment. so you definitely have to pay attention to how you level her when you first gain control of her and play that area a bit carefully.
>>739235392I think what George's idea of the force is is that it's like if objective good and evil were a universal law like gravity. morality is codified cosmically and the stories he told with it are about the flawed people caught in the middle of it all.
>>739237904My headcanon is that the Force is basically consensus reality. You see Yoda emphasizing how important it is to believe in the scene where he lifts the X-wing. What if the Force is divided into light and dark solely because most of its users believe it is, and if people started believing differently the Force would act differently?
>>739232314your "point" is either you misremembering rots or regurgitating some sped letter media take.
>>739238006That's probably not far from the truth. Remember that nightsister magic is canon force related as per Lucas and has nothing to do with the light/dark side the jedi teach. Lesser canon complicates it more since there was an argument to be made that nightsisters are all dark side users but now we have Merrin who doesn't fit that mold and still has her magic. Belief is probably the best way to shape the force into what you want.
>>739237904Lucas is a retard but he took a lot of classical myth concepts for SW that have a meaning its absent or underdeveloped in his worksThe force its like the yin and yang concept, both oppossing sides create a ballance through conflict. The light side cant exist without the dark side and the force would probably stop being a thing if retards stopped fighting over it
>>739233813I remember hating Goto's ship more than anything else in the game, I guess I just didn't get it. It seemed kinda set up so that you stealth around past all the robots and use the computers to shut them down, but using a computer un-stealths you and they aren't really that helpful. So then I just force lightning'd all the robots and won instead. I have no idea what they wanted me to do there.
>>739238385There's also the EU/Legends material about the Aing-Tii, who see the Force as a rainbow because apparently they're all gay, but to them the Force has as many sides as there are colors. >>739238594The Force is created by life though, the only way to make the Force stop being a thing is to kill all life. Kreia's plan was never going to work. But if you believe the normalfags they say balance of the Force means the light side wins and the dark side is completely extinct.
i played Kotor1 recently on highest difficulty and combat and controls were so shit(consolized garbage) i never even installed Kotor2 when it was my play before i played them
>>739238772The force existing in all lifeforms is repeated constantly but what its always present is religious sects using it for magical warfare. If you remove the jedi/sith wars life in the SW universe wouldnt be different from this one other than more alien lifeforms.We only get reminded the force exists because a bunch of fuckers are always fighting with lightsabers and sending rocks flying at each other
>>739238894>i never even installed Kotor2 when it was my play before i played themWhat?
>>739238719I completely forgot about Goto's ship, must of traumawiped it from my memory. I think at that point I felt resigned to just suffering through. I was in too deep and too curious in the story to give it all up.
>>739208304fuck u, nar shaddaa is the best part of both
>>739215737I played KotOR 1 for the first time last year, and KotOR 2 for the first time a month ago and enjoyed both. Yeah the gameplay is a dated, but they're still good games and you can see why they were so well liked when they came out.
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>>739239083I think the brownoid was trying to say he had planned on playing both games, but hated the first one so much he didn't even install the second one (epic own, +1000 izzat).
>getting red lightsaber crystals by corrupting regular oneslame and gay>getting red lightsaber crystals by bashing eggs in crystal cavesbased
>>739239349ACKSHULLY it's mainly>getting red lightsaber crystals since synthetic ones are red most of the time because reasons
>>739239002Of course there's also the Republic influence to take into account. The Jedi are joined at the hip to the Republic's political interests, so they're going to fashion their doctrine around that. And republics are always controlled by their financial powers, so of course they're always going to pretend they're morally infallible and everyone else is evil because they want access to the markets and resources of every other polity. So if the Force is a consensus reality then the Republic is actually the problem.
>>739239349I just like red as a colour>NOOOO red laser swords are because you heckin made the crystal cry with your bad emotions!God nu lore is fucking gay. It's just a colour for fucks sake.
>>739239625For real. Let me have whatever color I want. I wonder if nu lore is going to make the orange/red sabers that some of the nonsith dark jedi have part of the emotion nonsense or just say it's color choice for larpers who can't be evil enough to make it red
>>739239625The best thing about KOTOR is that you can be a 100% goody-two-shoes Jedi with a red lightsaber if you want, or a psychopathic dickwad with blue. Realistically the galaxy is a big place and the Jedi and Sith aren't the only Force groups out there, plenty of them don't adhere to the standard color convention.
>>739240094Orange is a nice color though, it would be cool to see a grey Jedi with orange.
>>739240260>Orange is a nice color though,It is>it would be cool to see a grey Jedi with orange.Well we've kind of got already with Bode in Jedi Survivor, and then Baylan and Shin in the Ahsoka show. I'd like to see more of jedi like that though they may not fit the grey jedi template exactly
>>739240260NTA, but I did really like the blade colour with the Heart of the Guardian crystal
>>739240184Odd cases: Kyle Katarn and Yun in the first Jedi Knight. Kyle started with green and Yun, who was ostensibly a Dark Jedi, had yellow. On the light side path, Kyle loses his saber and gets Yun's yellow saber for the rest of the game, but on the dark path he keeps his original green saber as he becomes the new Emperor and crushes the Rebellion.>>739240514None of these characters are really what I'm looking for though. It should be a main protagonist like Kyle, or at least a character who's regarded as a very high-tier Force user.
>>739240558Yeah that was sweet, too bad they didn't bring that back in KOTOR 2 (or ever again for that matter).
Is there a canon way to get a purple lightsaber besides being Samuel L Jackson?
>>739219490i didn't like origins that much, was i missing something? wasn't bad i just didn't get why people get into it
>>739240929Just toss in one of these in place of the crystal. The debuff is yt boys can't wield it.
>>739240690Yup, I was really hoping I would have found them again in kotor 2
>>739240642Many of Jerec's Dark Jedi didn't use red sabers; Gorc and Pic were orange, Sarris had blue and Boc had purple-ish. Only Maw and Jerec used red.>>739240929Be Mara Jade.
>>739241230Maybe that was in the cut content, a lot of content was left out because they wanted to rush it out for a holiday release.
Star Wars fans are fucking retards that have doomed their franchise to an eternal hell of derivative slop.George Lucas us number one on that list. He always pretended that only his own ideas were TRUE Star Wars, despite those ideas changing over the years. He couldn't allow anyone else to continue making movies in his company, because he would feel the need to micromanage the project, so he sold it off to the "safe" bet at Disney, who of course just stabbed him in the back and churned out years and years of trash.
>>739241923I'm pretty sure he was threatened to sell it off, the glowniggers wanted to ruin the franchise on purpose to demoralize white men, nerds and especially white nerds. Of course the Gen X faggot retard prequel haters didn't help.
>>739241923We all know this and have accepted it but it's still fun to talk about. Since Lucas changed his mind so often I've adopted the stance that I'm allowed to pick and choose canon I like and ignore anything that is dumb and gay.
>>739242057i actually buy this in retrospect, all the culture war shit kinda lines up with force awakens
>>739242057To add to this, I'm pretty sure the Gen X faggot retard prequel haters were created largely by media astroturfing. The media was dismissive of the original trilogy, and then tried to pretend they always liked it after it got a big fanbase. And then when the prequels came out, the media hate was massive because the movies were all about how the Republic was a corrupt piece of shit and the corporation/government dichotomy was all bullshit because they were secretly controlled by the same people, and the media shills were owned by the people responsible for turning America to shit, so they seethed at the prequels to create the appearance that they were hated because they were against corporations owning the government. Unfortunately a few actual flaws in the prequels like bad acting helped them in this, but the prequel hate was way overdone and artificial.
>>739215382Juhani should never have been added to the game, parts of her story should have just been rolled into Mission.As it is, Mission has nothing to do outside of her one sidequest after leaving Taris, while Juhani has literally nothing to do outside of HER own sidequest, except exposit a bunch about her sad backtory on Taris.Should have just included the stuff about racism and slavery with Mission, since everyone knows Twi'lek are the galaxy's premier slaves to begin with. Then on Dantooine she could have started learning to be a Jedi, only to have a brush with the Dark Side after her planet got glassed. That way you actually have a Padawan on the ship and Mission has a reason to come along, instead of just kind of tagging along with the crew on their secret mission.
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>>739242354This, Jedi Mission could easily have been actual canon.
>Use master valor to increase your attributes >Then use master battle meditation to drop the enemies' attributes >Then use master force scream to their drop attributes further, also has the added benefit of killing most of the enemies Enemies become like 20 levels lower than you, lmao. Forget force storm.
>>739218886"Losing" influence is a meme, I don't think most people even know that you can rival the party.But Kreia's is especially meaningless, because her alignment never changes anyway.
>>739242354>>739242475I had never thought of that but you're absolutely right. In retrospect she would have fit the role perfectly with the small issue of her already being grown and the PC having been a jedi for two weeks before the remembering. They could have written around that though.Imagine. Blue buttcheeks.
Played and beat Kotor 1 a bunch of times and Kotor 2 twice back in the day. Main thing I remember was my full light side Jedi with a staff lightsaber in Kotor 1 was by far my strongest character across both games. Literally just use all the light side force buffs and force speed before a major fight and use flurry to shred through everyone. I can beat Malak in like one minute using that build but everything else takes longer
>>739241923>Star Wars fans are fucking retards that have doomed their franchise to an eternal hell of derivative slop.yes>George Lucas us number one on that list. He always pretended that only his own ideas were TRUE Star Wars, despite those ideas changing over the years.nogeorge is star wars for better or worse. the fans are what got lucas to sell off the franchise. people like red letter media have done far more damage than george ever could.
Filoni is worse than George ever was.
>>739243228George himself chose to sell the franchise, how can you say it's not his fault?
>>739243290LIke, if George did half the shit Filoni has done RLM would've had a field day.
The best way to play Kotor 2 is to be Dark Side Jedi Jesus, neg rival the rest of your party into being Light Side, let the masters survive, and take the DS ending on Malachor.
>>739242971>her already being grownWhy is this necessary?>the PC having been a jedi for two weeks before the rememberingThey could have made her Bastila's Padawan.
>>739243448Basado
*crashes to desktop* :) ;)... :D
>>739243340the reason he did it was so the franchise could continue without him. I'm not saying he shares no responsibility. I think selling it to disney was the worst move he could've made because they do everything by comittee and star wars as an identity is built on contrarianism to hollywood and a strong vision of the author. But the prequel heartburn and the conspiracies/denial he had anything to do with what made the OT good had its effect and he washed his hands of it all.
>>739243565I pray they port over the switch or android versions to PC.
>>739243606It was probably a combination of >>739242057 and this.
>>739243642That's why I hate the media, >>739242321 played a large part in giving the prequels more hate than they deserved, which helped convince George to sell. If he'd only realized how corrupt the media is he would have realized that most of his haters weren't actual fans who felt betrayed, they were a bunch of mainstream media shitheads who were deliberately trying to ruin him because they were corrupt and he was exposing their corruption.
>>739243485>Why is this necessary?Jedi have that hangup about training people who are already older than infancy. They made exceptions for Anakin and Revan. Like I said, it could be written around again no issue.Unless you're implying Mission could have been changed so drastically that she's now a typical padawan instead of a street rat you meet on Taris I'd argue at that point it's no longer Mission at all
>>739242971>Blue buttcheeks.Stop, I can only get so erect.
>>739243743The prequels and Return of the Jedi deserve the hate, honestly. The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are about at the level of quality as Attack of the Clones so I don't get what the prequel defenders are so mad about.
>>739243810Nah, Mission should still have been on Taris, but they could work up some excuse for Bastila to train her. It might be related to her species; Ki-Adi-Mundi was given an exemption from the Jedi's prohibition against breeding because his species was nearly extinct.
>>739243874>movies that took a giant dump on the main characters are at the same level of quality as movies that didn'twhatthefuckamireading.jpg
Gamers DESERVE blue alien wives.
>>739243616the switch version doesnt fix the crashes! ~_^
>>739243950I mean, seeing as how Obiwan and Anakin are insufferable assholes in that movie constantly talking shit about each other behind each others back, yeah. I don't buy they were good friends for a minute. Really the only time they act like they like each other in the whole trilogy is in the first 20 minutes of Revenge of the Sith, which to me comes off as too little too late.
>>739244076The cutscenes still crash in the switch version? What the fuck
>>739215989Retro RPGs are like Ultima or Gold Box, KOTOR is still pretty new....
>>739244047>Gamers DESERVE their choice of blue or orange alien teenage wives.fixed
I love both games but the first one came nowhere close to this kino
>>739244193A lot of people here unironically think Skyrim and GTA 5 are retro games.
>>739244237They are. You’re old.
The force is basically a deity that controls sentient life using the whills and keeps them enslaved to "fate" forever, meaning Kreia and the Sith are 100% right to fight back. That's why Anakin, who the force like, gets to keep his individuality in death while all the people he killed (billions) don't. The whills favour him.
>>739243874the sequels are far worse than attack of the clones.
>>739244349what
>>739208304Take away the twist and KOTOR 1 isn't that interesting>dude what if the darth vader expy was also the protagonist!
>>739244349No, Kreia is right. The sith are just another form of slavery to the Force. The Dark Side literally eats them alive and the Force itself will make sure they die no matter what.
>>739243606>prequel heartburnWe were like ten years removed from the prequels by the time he sold. Honestly he should have started making new movies in 2008, instead of TCW.>>739243743I think you overestimate how easily influenced George actually was.
I like how disney so thoroughly fucked the ot canon that they're greenlighting dave turning post-order 66 canon into prequel wank like george wanted. and it's all still worse than the force unleashed.
>>739244735Seems like the only way to use the Force and not fuck yourself up into being either a drone or a mass murderer is to just not commit strongly to either side and only use neutral powers. You can't master both sides.
>>739243810Unironically it was a different time, the Jedi cared way less about age restrictions in that period. The only reason it's even brought up in the case of Revan was because>The Prequels were fresh and Kotor 1 took a lot from them aestheticallyand>Vrook was subtly chiding the Council for actually making the fucking Dark Lord of the Sith a Jedi again
>>739244941This is probably true, Revan is only an issue because he's like 30-something. The prequel Jedi who only accepted infants were caricatures; a 14-year-old would easily be considered for training by the old Jedi, or even somebody at college age. But when you start so late in life there's a limit to what you can learn. But since Revan has already done it before he has no problem. The KOTOR Jedi did maintain the prequel-era Jedi's prohibition on marriage though, which wasn't part of the canon prior to the prequels.
>>739244917It's impossible to be a force user and not either be a dark sider or a lightsider. Qui-Gon was a lightsider, Jolee was too, Kreia was ultimately a dark sider.Now, Their are other sects force users but they all ultimately lean either dark side or light side. The only beings who can be grey are deities like the Father, the Bedlam Spirits, etc. Even Anakin, despite being the "Chosen One", was forced to either be light or dark side. The "balance" is literally just the Light Side becoming dominant.
Mission!
>>739245367>It's impossible to be a force user and not either be a dark sider or a lightsider.That's not true, every Force user starts off developing neutral powers that are usable by both sides. If you just never progress in your development beyond that point you can use the Force without committing to either side, at the cost of not being able to use high-end powers.
>>739245367>The "balance" is literally just the Light Side becoming dominant.Did a bunch of toddlers really need to get sliced up just so Anakin could throw one guy down a ventilation shaft like 20 years later?
I miss games were you can be either be good guy or super evil.
>>739245534yesit's never too late to do the right thing
>>739245479
>>739245506Nope. You're either dark or you're light to varying degrees, you can change alignment of course since redemption exists but it's still the same light v dark shit universally. Unless you're a god, the Force makes you it's bitch and cages you into a destiny the moment you're born if you're force sensitive.
>>739245367>The "balance" is literally just the Light Side becoming dominant.People keep claiming this and I've never heard a single source for it, it sounds like their headcanon. And the actual implementation of it that we see is much closer to the interpretation where the light and dark are in balance because both the Jedi and the Sith are nearly all wiped out.
>>739245697>alignment scale ranges from 0 to 100, with 50 being neutral>the Force forces you to be 51 or 49>SEE MY DIRECTION-BRAIN BINARY IS TRUE
>>739245727The Dark Side corrupts you, you can't use it and be balanced. Doesn't exist
>>739245790The light side arguably corrupts you too, just in a different way, which is that it turns you into a sanctimonious faggot who thinks you're a better person than everyone else.
>>739245832No see, that's what the Jedi turn light siders into. Real light siders are people like Jolee. Down to earth, realistic people who don't forsake love and other such emotions out of fear of the dark side.
KotOR in general is overated shit that destroyed the era it was set in with prequel generic nonsense so the normies would relate to it more.>>739208454>>739209560Mira is better than Mission for the cute rogue girl archetype.>>739210653Jedi Academy; going dark side gives you the best boss fight in any DF/JK game.
>>739210653SWTOR
>>739221750In that one Sith tomb, yeah. But your Force points don't regenerate there so after a while it'll get harder to farm XP.
>>739214468>>739214546>>739214713The remake should have Jedi: Survivor combat and that is a fact.
>>739245938People like Jolee and Qui-Gon were a very small group. It's true that they didn't use the dark side, but they were so few and so unlike mainstream Jedi that it's hard to believe the light side isn't a corrupting force just as much as the dark. And if you say that it's not the light side itself that makes people into sanctimonious faggots but just the Jedi, why can't the same be true of the dark side? Maybe the Sith doctrine is the real problem turning people into psychopaths.>>739245973Where did you get this picture? Did he make this wine? Can I buy some of it?
Maturity is realizing Bioware was never fucking good and all their games are dog shit.>BUT BALUDERS GATE CLASSIC BIOWARE WAS GOODNo
>>739244204Maturity is realizing that the primary rule of geopolitics is that societies that embrace this statement survive and societies that don't embrace this statement collapse.
Anyone remember playing Kotor 1 on the og Xbox and using an exploit to gain an extra level or something? I believe you had to press a and y at the same time on the level up screen but don't recall specifically what it did. I do remember that I used it once and my Canderous glitched into being able to level up force abilities for the rest of that save. Could never replicate it though after that though
>>739245938That's a good take. I think the Jedi as an institution is a corrupting force in itself; the prequels lightly suggest this in how weak and inept they seem to be.>>739246273Evidence Wines is the brand I believe. Yeah he went into the wine business during one of the actor's guild strikes and was sick of trying to find jobs and his buddy was working at a winery,
>>739246273Because there has been other Dark Side sects like the Prophets of the Dark Side and they all act the same way, or the Witches of Dathomir, etc. Heck, even the inquisitors both in canon and in the old EU aren't even trained as Sith yet they act the same. Newly fallen Dark Jedi act the same.
>>739245973>Mira is better than MissionThe fuck are you smoking, Mira is like an archetypal stronk womyn, she's easily the most reddit character in either of the games.
Do Biodrones REALLY?
KOTOR2 is vastly superior, save for writing.
>>739246639TOR has the Sith Warrior storyline in which you can choose to be a Sith who isn't a compulsive dickhead to everyone, so it isn't inherent to the dark side. And KOTOR 2 itself gives you many chances to be practical rather than a caricature. In some cases this results in you not being nice, but in others it's actually the better thing to do.
>>739208304Maturity is realizing both did their own thing for different audiences as they were different developers.
>>739246626That's funny. But that was probably the smart move now that AI is replacing actors.
>>739246626>the prequels lightly suggest this in how weak and inept they seem to be.My takeaway from the prequels is similar, that their blind adherence to their rules and dogma was a bad thing and made them all easy prey and the few maverick jedi we see who bend the rules a bit without abandoning light side principles and morality had the right idea.
>>739246643Mission is a fake rebellious teenager and ugly, Mira is hot. Simple as.
>>739214818Me doing the exploit that avoids you ever becoming a Jedi and just being a Soldier all game
>>739208304Maturity is realizing Star Wars is gay and if you like it past the age 6 you are mentally stunted.
>>739246307I loved Neverwinter Nights. And this thread is making me want to replay it. Even though I know it was too long and mid.
>>739247019Posters who use double-linebreaks immediately after post tags need to be put to death on general principle.
>>739247004Mission is much hotter than Mira and she grew up in the slums interacting with gangsters constantly, it's a fucking wonder she wasn't forced into prostitution. Mira on the other hand constantly bitches at people who only wanted to help her.
I find your lack of Mission disturbing
>>739247109why?
>>739246859The TOR light side sith options are in their for funny gameplay purposes same as the dark side jedi options. They aren't even the canon choices the character took so you can't even count them. The Dark Side is like Chaos in 40k, it WILL corrupt you. No matter what.
Hope Remake is more like isometric BG1/2 rtwp not this ass marriage of console action slop with rtwp, only thing worse would be gay nigger turn based trash.
>>739208304Who actually says they liked KOTOR 2 better? Even at the time it was panned. >>739210519I like some of the new stuff in Battlefront 2, it's not all bad.
>>739247194>special pleadingEither both sides of the Force are inherently corruptive or neither are. I haven't ever seen any actual statements that the dark side inherently corrupts you, those are all said by Jedi who are personally biased. And the fact that light side Sith options exist even in principle proves that they're possible, like how in MGS Campbell was still Meryl's father even though this was revealed in a non-canon ending.
>>739220889We doin this? Had fun with heavy armor marauder lately
>>739247280KotOR2 is better written. 1 is a Saturday cartoon.
>>739247194>The Dark Side is like Chaos in 40k, it WILL corrupt you. No matter what.Well unless you're like Luke or any number of other jedi who are shown using dark side powers then saying jk after and are totally fine. The light side and buddhism both preach mindfulness, which means letting yourself feel emotions and then acknowledging them without letting yourself be controlled by them. The whole story is about avoiding that pitfall, really. There's no reason at all that a guy who practices mindfulness and doesn't completely give in to his emotions couldn't also occasionally dip into dark side powers and do bad things.
>>739247326The light side isn't corruptive, the institutions of man are what are corruptive. Hence the Jedi and all of their problems, like in KotOR their inaction led to the Mando Wars and Jedi Civil War. Like fuck, even in KotOR 2 the characters will make remarks about how fucked you look if you go Dark Side whereas they'll give you compliments about how good you look if you go Light Side.The Dark Side, in every piece of SW media, is shown as corruptive. Both spiritually and physically. The moment Anakin turns and gives into Darth Sidious he gets those sith eyes and shit.
>>739247549You can use Dark Side powers sure, but using Dark Side powers at all is given into your negative emotions since that's what fuels the Dark Side at all. Luke used force choke in RotJ to show us that he was struggling internally with his own demons, and he also gave in temporarily when fighting Vader and beat his ass. Though like a Chad he tossed it aside and he saw that's what Sidious was hoping he'd do.
>>739247582>Like fuck, even in KotOR 2 the characters will make remarks about how fucked you look if you go Dark Side whereas they'll give you compliments about how good you look if you go Light Side.Incel forums raged at this statement, /r9k/ is currently plotting a mass shooting. If you live near Coruscant don't go to the Jedi Temple tomorrow.>>739247582You can easily use dark side powers in KOTOR without going full dark side, you just have to pay more Force points per use, which is mitigated if you have high WIS. The only time this was ever actually shown not to be the case is in Jedi Knight: DFII, where once Kyle picks either side all his Force stars spent in the other side's powers are given back and you're locked out of that side's powers for the rest of the game; MOTS and JO/JA promptly went back on that.
Watched the new show, don't get why Maul was jobbing to the stinky trash can man. Maul was fit, strong, doing backflips, really acrobatic, fast, etc. Vader is slow, lumbering, we see him in the OT he is slow. Lucas himself said the prequal era Jedi are stronger than the "crippled old man, robots and young boys" of the OT yet Maul who killed one of the best to ever do it (Qui Gon) was getting trounced by a corpse in leather? Was it because boomers would shit their pants if Vader got put in his place? Obviously they shouldn't have brought back Maul in the first place.
>>739208304Trvke, our time on this planet is too short to waste it on misery porn slop
>>739248051Gameplay is not lore, brodie. But even then, if you get pick the Jedi Master/Sith Lord prestige classes and then go in the opposite alignment you'll lose access to your special power. There's alignment locked items, etc.
>>739248301>gameplay is not lore>except for this part of the gameplay where you lose your alignment-exclusive abilities and items if you go to the other side
>>739248301whatever, the games are better than the movies anyway and Lucas can't even make up his mind about his own franchise half the time
>>739248051Game elements and the underlying philosophy are distinct.Jedi under the influence of the dark side are plentiful. I would go so far to say that most Jedi in the PT are influenced by the dark side. Hence their lack of abilities, which they themselves are noticing.
>>739248301I'm not actually opposed to the idea of having alignment-locked abilities for those who are very dedicated to one side, but the vast majority of Force users will never be that way, both because they're not skilled enough and because people aren't robots.
>>739248431I wasn't using the gameplay as my sole argument, or even as my argument. Just pointing out that can't and shouldn't be used as prove of anything, since it can be made to support either side. >>739248475The old EU unironically does mog the movies. I feel bad for people who just dismiss it all outright.
>>739247194>The TOR light side sith options are in their for funny gameplay purposes same as the dark side jedi options. They aren't even the canon choices the character tookFuck off retard.
>>739248734But they aren't? Both options are in their for being funny. There's an encounter in KotOR 2 where the original owner of the Ebon Hawk confronts you, and he will end up infiltrating your ship in the middle of a raid by slavers who have taken over said ship. Anyway, when you get the end of this fight you can choose to sell the man into slavery and recieve no dark side points from it because it is objectively funny.
>>739248641>Game elements and the underlying philosophy are distinct.Debatable. It's arguably a mark against a game if its gameplay isn't reflective of its philosophy.>Jedi under the influence of the dark side are plentiful.Atris is that way in KOTOR II; she basically sums up Chris Avellone's opinion of the Jedi overall, which is pretty much correct given what we see in the prequels. Her outer appearance of good masks dark tendencies, and part of that appearance is the insistence on direction-brainism.>>739248668>Just pointing out that can't and shouldn't be used as prove of anything, since it can be made to support either side.Direction-brainers commonly cite instances of Sith corruption, but ignore Jedi using the dark side even in non-game sources like the Force choke in ROTJ.
>>739248264Because Vader is canonically him.
>>739208304The truth is both are fucking absolute dogshit turbo garbage.But kotor2 - as with all Obsidishit sequel or spinoff slop, it is worse beyond belief of the original thing, but somehow has neets masturbating over it for no good reason.Hell, even Jade Empire is better than kotor1 and especially 2. And Jade Empire sucks ass.
>>739248875Already addressed the Luke force choking stuff. That was supposed to show us, the audience, that he was teetering close to the Dark Side. Culminating in him giving into it temporarily while fighting Vader, and instead of killing him he tossed aside his lightsaber. You can use the Dark Side, temporarily. But you have to toss it aside and then never use it again and rebuke it, because it's like an addictive drug. You cannot have a continuous use of the Dark Side and not become corrupted, because it will corrupt you.
>>739248885Guess it's a Disney thing
>>739249061What if there was like a methadone clinic approach to using the dark side? If you go around constantly choking shit you're probably going to fall, but if you find an alternative that does whatever you were going to use the dark side for it's easier to restrict your dosage. Besides, every drug is a poison if taken in large enough quantities.
>>739249068No, Vader is quite literally the strongest even crippled. Until Luke comes around. Chosen One and shit.
>>739249291This picture should be spammed at every direction-brain faggot who thinks the Jedi and the Republic weren't the villains.
>>739249413You seem to be very confused fren. The Jedi aren't the light side, just the most popular school of thought for it. And yes, they and the Republic were both corrupt. But this doesn't make the Dark Side suddenly the correct path.
>>739249413They weren't. The problem with the Jedi is that they aren't really suited for war and violence.
>>739249516Maybe neither side is the correct path.
>>739249637Now that's where you are wrong, the Light Side is the objectively correct path in Star Wars. You don't need be a Jedi and shit be a light sider, just to reiterate.
>>739250015>Light Side is the objectively correct pathYou mean except for the times when it objectively wasn't?
>>739237621or you can just get behind the bar and they stop shooting back
>>739250081Name one time it wasn't, and if you bring up the Jedi I will laugh because I've already stated multiple times now that the Jedi were corrupt.
>>739248868How is that example related to your point at all? Countless LS Sith options in TOR aren't humorous at all, and if you don't get points for doing something bad to the old Ebon Hawk owner, that's not even a case of an alignment option existing in order to be funny?
>>739250015Yesn't"Light Side" isn't a side in the Star Wars movies, there are Jedi (space wizards) + Republic (ordinary people) vs. the Sith. The Jedi (as in, the movie characters) aren't the Light Side. They have to juggle responsibilities and loyalties that sometimes conflict with each other, and they lost because Palpatine successfully exploited those conflicts.
>>739250334It's an objectively Dark Side option that you receive no Dark Side points from be sure it is funny, however it is not narratively consistent. Just like the light side Sith and dark side Jedi options in TOR, they are not narratively consistent with the universe because they were made to be funny/cool/whatever first.
>>739250304What do you even think of as light side choices?
>>739249291it's like pottery, sort of, they rhyme
>>739248875Well, specifically the force powers aren't. You can force choke as a light sider, which is inherently a DS act.
>>739250304>>739250637Killing Juhani's slavers when they come after her during her sidequest. Fuck slavers.
>>739208304wrong, maturity is understanding that both are good for different reasons
>>739250408In the movies the Jedi are all that are shown this is true. But in the vastly superior EU, there are multiple "Jedi-Like" sects of force users that are not dark sider users, and because they are not Jedi, the term "Light Side(rs)" is used instead. Like the Jel Shay, or the Baran Do, both of which are featured in KotOR 2 in the form of armor.>>739250637>can't name one time it wasn't Lmao, go figure. How about this just so we stay on the topic of KotOR: In KotOR 2, the light side option is destroying Malachor V by reactivating the Mass Shadow Generator, ending the teachings of the Trayus Academy and following Revan into the unknown regions to help fight the True Sith. Conversely, the Dark Side option is to leave it all intact. The teachings, the place, all of it. Kreia makes very clear that these teachings must be wiped out, lest they all turn into monsters like Sion and Darth Nihilus and end the galaxy. Which one would you say is objectively correct? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the one that doesn't end in the death of the entire galaxy is the objectively correct choice.
>>739249291>Fine Anakin, let me have this one and you can motorboat Padames titties in the council meetings for all I care>What, you think we don't all know about that?
>>739250472First of all, a situation where you don't gain points has nothing to do with situations where you do gain points. You're just saying, "Because one moral situation seems inconsistent, therefore my unprovable schizo theory on why options exist and which of them are true is right."Secondly, you're a giga-retard. The Ebon Hawk owner being taken as a slave is cut content that was never in the release of the game. In the final product, he was just killed. So how is that funny exactly?
>>739247109Die mad about it fag
>>739251369>"therefore my unprovable schizo theory on why options exist and which of them are true is right"I have the entire franchise to back me up, you have... uh, let's see here... whining on an image board about it? I'm not even sure why you are so upset. I like the Light Sided Sith and Dark Side Jedi options in TOR, they range from funny, interesting, cool, etc. But never once did i consider it in anyway canon to Star Wars or even canon to the EU(because it isn't, like objectively it doesn't and cannot happen. The charcters DO NOT make those choices canonically).
>>739247378BIGPHATSTR
>>739251272I can't even know what you think of as a light side choice that doesn't involve the Jedi. What is the light side? Is it passivity, emotional self-control, or is it just vibes-based "choices that result in good things"?Was Padme returning to free Naboo a light side choice? Han Solo coming back to help Luke? Luke going to try and rescue his friends? Qui-gon insisting on training Anakin? Leia lying to the Empire about the location of the Rebel base?There are countless situations, but what is or is not related to the Jedi being corrupt? Was Obi-wan lying to Luke Jedi corruption? Or Yoda telling Luke not to leave Dagobah? Or the Jedi not accepting romantic love?In the games, was Revan being mind-wiped and used to destroy Malak a light-sided choice? And if so why? Just because it resulted in something good? Or should it have been good-intentioned?
>>739251713Sounds like you've just invented your own headcanon really, literally purity spiraling about something with no evidence and insisting it must be one way because you feel that it should be true.
>Romanceable slave>Same VA as Mission>Twi'lekPeak
>>739252019The light side is not the Dark Side, a simple answer, yes. But is literally how it is explained. The Dark Side is always the objectively wrong choice in the Star Wars mythos. That's just how it works in Star Wars though. Killing Juhani's slavers, for example, is a dark side choice because you are giving into your anger. In the real world? Killing slavers is a justice, because we aren't being constantly manipulated by an omnipresent metaphysical thing that has instilled a morality system that is foundational to literally all life and if it should ever leave or we become deaf to it we will all die because of some microbial creature that has embedded itself in every cell in every creature and became one of the building blocks of life itself. >>739252241The only head-canons i see are the ones being used to try and say a Light Side Sith Warrior/Inquisitor or Dark Side Jedi Knight/Consular exist, lol.
>>739210653unironically kotor2
>>739208304i can kind if agree. kotor 2 is hella autistic and the final boss (not kreya) does nothing and is nothing
>>739226257youre both retards anyway, why would you consider playing a demake made by some retarded indians and DEI-Hires?fucking kys
>>739208304> UNCWARS: UNCS OF THE UNC REPUNCLIC 2 THE UNC LORDS
>>739252862>The Dark Side is always the objectively wrong choice in the Star Wars mythos.That's circular logic. If the Dark Side is always the wrong choice and the Light Side is always the right choice, then there is no standard for what is right and wrong, it only becomes true after the fact.For example, the situation of Padme and Naboo. Her going back set the stage for Palpatine's manipulations which would lead to the end of the Republic. But doing so also saved millions of people.Extend it out further even. Anakin turning to the Dark Side ultimately allowed for the destruction of the Sith, despite it also resulting in billions of deaths. He fulfilled the prophecy and brought balance to the Force. Therefore, was his turn to the Dark Side, actually something of the Light Side? It was as the Force intended.>>739252862>The only head-canons i see are the ones being used to try and say a Light Side Sith Warrior/Inquisitor or Dark Side Jedi Knight/Consular exist, lol.It's Schrodinger's plot in a dead MMO in a canon that has been erased, of course either of them could exist.
>>739247109lol
>>739208304>classic Star Wars storythat's a bad thing, star wars sucks
>>739253932>Extend it out further even. Anakin turning to the Dark Side ultimately allowed for the destruction of the Sith, despite it also resulting in billions of deaths. He fulfilled the prophecy and brought balance to the Force. Therefore, was his turn to the Dark Side, actually something of the Light Side? It was as the Force intended.And now you know why Kreia is actually correct in her assertations about the Force. The Force will do all of this to achieve some asinine level of "balance" which it does over and over and over again. To the Force, balance is an absence of the Dark Side because the Dark Side is corruptive in nature, but the Dark Side is still the Force so it can never truly go away unless you do away with the Force at all. Anger will always be felt, evil will always exist, etc because these are inherent to the Flesh. The Star Wars universe is trapped in a never-ending war the Force is waging against itself, forever. Quintillions have died because of this. But, those in Star Wars have to pick a side, and the Light Side is always the correct option. Choosing the Dark Side immediately damns you, you might become uber powerful and rule shit for a while but you will get your shit rocked eventually and unlike those who follow the Light you will suffer forever eternally either in Chaos(Star Wars hell) or just wander as a wailing spirit.
>>739252848>not underageWhy try to sell it as the same thing?
Who would win in a fight? Full potential achieved Darth Vader or EU Grandmaster Luke Skywalker?
>>739225786As good as actually dangerous villains are, there's something charming about the simplistic "saturday morning cartoon" villains.Both are good and sometimes I'd prefer top villain to the bottom one.
>>739247415Yeah a 90s Saturday cartoon. "Dude what if there was like no good, and bad man" was overdone, mainstream slop over 50 years ago.
>>739248264because if maul was actually consistent then the show just wouldn't happenhe would've reveal himself on janix, and if the empire somehow caught wind of him being there and sent inquisitors he would've smoked them considering inquisitors as a whole are hot garbage, these two included going off of their other appearances, and fucked offa big problem with all of the star wars shows is that it relies on people being weaker than they should be and doing stupid shit that makes no sense and contradicts things they say later on
>>739257790*would not have revealed himself on janix
>>739253705Ah, so that LE is the remake? Thought it was the souped-up port.Avoiding it like the plague then. I'll just get the pack for PS3.
Kotor walked so mass effect could run
>>739208304kotor 1 is a better game because it isnt an unfinished buggy mess simple as that
>>739259827kotor was an rpg and me is a dating sim with hallway shooting
>>739257790And also the stormtroopers would have cleaned house. The Maul show makes the stormtroopers in the OT look like expert marksman with how often the characters are in the wide open taking fire from multiple troopers not even very far away who all miss repeatedly and then they send in a dozen LAATs made of tissue paper that also miss everything with their giant canons. It really reaches a point of absurdity.
>>739208558he trusted exar kun
>>739259910if u wanna be technical, kotor 1 runs like shit or not at all on modern pc until u install 10 mods
>>739244349Shut up Qui Gon
i beat KotOR for the first time in years earlier this week and was gonna play something else next, but after this thread i've reinstalled KotOR 2 and am gonna try to get through it as well. man i hope Fate of the Old Republic is good.
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>>739244349The Force being Space God only makes it more retarded to be a Dark Sider. You're guaranteed to get fucked in the ass and Space God doesn't care how many men, women and children need to die to get you. You're gonna get got no matter what.
