What do you think about using AI to develop your games?
>>739214537I await the day when AI tools get so good anyone can make a good skeleton of a gaem
deadslop
>newAI doesn't invent anything, it just ripped something from an open source project
>>739214537This guy used AI to design a character too
>>739214906That's already the case.
>>739215415I said good
>>739215537Then that will never happen because even AI can't help retarded idea guys who are as creative as dogshit.
>>739215608wrong bucko bitchAI can help people make good art and funny videos and nice music, eventually it will help people make good video games too
>>739214537no one cares
>>739214537another reason to avoid deadflop
>>739214996Retard
>>739214996Actual genuine good-faith question:If this were true, how is it possible for it to generate art/music/video/code that literally doesn't already exist?
>>739214996Nothing is original
>>739215886its magic. don't worry about it.
>>739214537He asked chatGPT if an algorithm that does what wants already exists. Not a new one. Retarded headline for retarded people like you.
>>739215886It travel into a future where it exist and then send it back in time using fax machines
>>739216218Yes anon chatGPT takes data from the internet and doesn't actually create anything, thanks for telling us what we already know?
>>739214537>2024
>>739215886The exact product doesn't exist but the techniques do. Imagine impressionism never happened. Then you wouldn't be able to tell AI to generate that style of artwork. Similarly, AI can comb through tons of existing algorithms and maybe stitch some together, or recommend 5 different ones and their strengths and weaknesses, but it doesn't give new methods. Not yet at least
>>739216505That's even worse, Valve was a AI india company BEFORE it was cool
>>739214537It's okay when used in the coding, but way too noticeable when used in the aesthetics.
>>739216558impressionism is a style that AI can actually reproduce without any impressionistic art in a dataset tho, kind of a silly example
>>739214537>use aii shant be buyingnot that i'm the target audience for this shit anyway
>>739216662According to who there was no impressionism in the dataset
>>739214537I don't give a flying fuck about AI handling any sort of back end behind the scenes stuff that isn't directly visible to the end user.
>>739216743Not sure what the fuck you're trying to say but impressionism is just blurry smudgy messy realism, a lot of early AI art looked like that even though it was just trained on photographs.
>>739216752That's because you are a gay commie with inconsistent morals
>>739216832Ok so you're just speaking out of your ass. Early AI looked nothing like impressionism
>>739216908it did thohttps://becominghuman.ai/with-gans-world-s-first-ai-generated-painting-to-recent-advancement-of-nvidia-b08ddfda45b1
>>739214906i'm applying for jobs right nowfor some reason, humanity (a.k.a. the retarded masses) decide linkedin is how you go about doing that in the modern agenow every position gets 90000000000000 applicants, 99% od which are ai generated, and 99.9999999% get filtered out by ai before a human even becomes aware of your applicationit's fucking awfulalso, the net has been saturated with slop.search engines are clogged with useless shit, which is then processed further into highly refined turbo slop by ai search summariesall of this was trained on actual, quality, human made content that has now been mined out.the result is that the websites that are the source of information you really want are completely submerged in slop.not to mention the ai slop rush is having disastrous consequences for everything from the price of consumer hardware to public utilities to mass layoffs in favor of slop.i fucking hate everything about ai that isn't locally run for your own amusement, save for claude plays pokemon, which ironically produced more human made memes than this godforsaken site has seen combined in the last decade.fuck everything about ai. literal jeet streetshitter tier poop explosion. the future fucking sucks ass.
>>739214537>October 2024Die
>>739214537I think AI is great. But good lord do you need to double check anything it does. Not enough people have had to deal with it being catastrophically wrong yet. I have at twice now where it just gave total bullshit answers. Then you grill it on it and it just goes "oh you're right I should've looked harder". Which is fine. But fucking seriously double check ANYTHING it does.
>>739217139How does the date of the article change the OP question and discussion.Elaborate
>>739214931go play Marathon while you can
>>739217136just strap up your boots and walk in and say hello you gay retardliinkedin is for fags AI search and stuff is good stop acting like reddit and shit is a good alternativeand stop pretending like you hate AI when you clearly like it when it appeals to you(wow, you're normal and like things you like), you're just being overdramatic
>>739217113Ok well it still didn't create in the style of impressionism, it failed to do realism. I guess it wasn't the best example as you said. But point still stands that it doesn't create anything new conceptually. It could fail to produce an existing technique and accidently make a good algorithm as in that article, but that's highly unlikely
>>739217273>just strap up your boots and walk in and say hello you gay retardi'm a researcher, not a gas station attendant, fuckface
>>739215886Of course it can create something new But it does build on what it has learned. It's the difference between a good and a bad model. If it's poorly trained, then it can only return what you've already shown it (ie. the training data, this is called overfitting).A well trained model however can extrapolate, and ideally see patterns humans can't reasonably be expected to see. This was the entire sales pitch of machine learning since the beginning, our brains being good at noticing patterns and then transferring that onto computers and amplifying it. AI is gay though and pop science has sadly ruined the field of ML.
>>739217189>Try vibe coding>Get free trial>ask it to code something simple>20 minutes later it ran out of token and shit doesn't even compile and it didn't finish 10% of what I asked>Get another free trial, it manage to make something that compile>Instantly crash on start>already out of token againI'll never trust anyone that use AI for coding holy shit it's so bad. And somehow it's also fucking expensive, assuming rates don't go up it would cost me like 100 grands per year for regular usage.
"it's AI" by itself doesn't really mean anything"it looks/works like shit" is a valid criticism, enhanced further by "because of AI"
>>739214537>all valve games have forced 50% MM algorithm>Its not us it was the AI
>>739217398>But point still stands that it doesn't create anything new conceptually. Itif you think this you are beyond mentally retarded and can't be reasoned withI unironically feel bad for you
>>739217509The latter always insinuates the former.
>create a base asset by hand>feed it to the AI to quickly modify it for more assets.>touch up anything that looks weirdHow difficult is that really? My corpo essentially uses AI that way and it's been going well.
>>739217408then give the nerds a wedgie and tell them you know your shit you gay retard>sends email to a literal robot screening people, if they aren't low IQ women or jeets they reject them automatically >"p-p-please h-h-hire me"faaaaaaaaaaaaaag
>>739217213The point is that the matchmaking code for Deadlock has likely changed at least 5 times since then.>what do I think about itI do not care. If the game is good the game is good. The source code could be written by the most horrendous person of all time, or a brainless AI agent getting fed garbage prompts from a zoomer junior.If the game is good, the game is good. How they get there doesn't matter to me
>>739215886not to be obtuse, but how are (You) able to do it? The way AI does it isn't all that far off
>>739217509>"it's AI" by itself doesn't really mean anythingfor youzoomers only care about content (tm), not how it was made. there fried egg brains can't trace a line of thought beyond the surface level of an issue because they have no clue how anything technical works. and them relying on ai to "learn stuf" is only exacerbating the problem.
>>739217398>>739217113https://towardsdatascience.com/ganscapes-using-ai-to-create-new-impressionist-paintings-d6af1cf94c56/
>>739217601you say that like people like this guy stopped existing
>>739217484>AI is gay though and pop science has sadly ruined the field of MLI'm glad to see there's at least once other unc out there who remembers what promise ML had up until recently
>>739215886by datamining artist and undercutting themai sloppers literally rejoice in being subhuman
>>739217654Comparing divine human inspiration to an LLM consuming all media is disgusting. You are such subhuman goyim cattle you deserve this future.
>>739217503Anyone who knows how to code isn't gonna be vibe coding they're gonna use it to streamline or speed up their workflow. Vibe coding just creates more work since you're left without any documentation and the AIs don't have enough memory to remember the entire scope of whichever project you're working on.
>>739217726That image literally shows impressionism in the training set, thanks for proving my point
>>739217796but it isn't generative AI
>>739217503I've found it works really well for a replacement for documentation or for brainstorming ideas. I ended up working out a workflow where I explicitly tell it never to give me code outside of snippet examples and it's started to become helpful.
>>739217775any "new" thing (You) create is just a product of things you've seen in the world yourself. It's an age-old concept that there is no such thing as new art in modern times
>>739217775AI is more sentient than an average person. You of all people should know this, considering how easy it is for you to call other people subhumans.
>>739217796it is well known that models trained on generated data are inferior to models trained on human generated contentto put it bluntly, there is no algorithm to determine what is "good" or "true", data scientist have to curate training data to have their slop generate something a human would find appealingto a model trainer, there is inherent value in even the most awful human art
use AI to steal ideas>>:(steal ideas directly>:)
>>739215886>Actual genuine good-faith question:The problem is that you aren't speaking to a good-faith person that can critically think. Generative AI by definition creates new things. That's literally all it is. >give it training data and inputs>it creates stuff based on that but the outputs are mathematically and objectively unique
>>739216705you used a calculator for high school math, bitchhow is this any different
>>7392145372024 was 4 years ago
>>739217779Mhmm. That's why AI tools are only going to widen the gulf for software engineer type jobs. All the senior people who already know what they're doing, and thus know how to properly plan and prompt engineer have this insane multiplier of AI tooling that enables them to do literally what used to take a team of 10+ devs. Companies have virtually zero reason to hire junior devs at this point, cause it's no longer a cost-saving measure to do so.
>>739217503You only "vibecode" by having AI generate pieces of code. Its the same shit as using google to look through stackoverflow solutions except you're having AI do it
>>739217982Because calculators are not AI?
a good tool lowers the skill floor of the thing it is used for the industry is supposed to respond by raising the skill floor againsame way we locked higher-paying jobs behind making degrees an expeectation instead of a nice-to-have
>>739217643>how they get there doesn't matterIt can. Spaghetti code is a real issue. So is mystery meat code.The big problem with relying on AI is that the programmers no longer have a baseline understanding at that point about how the code is working - IE: noone is personally figuring out the logic behind it what it's doing and how it's getting there.One or two things, I mean fine, whatever. The more of that you start putting in your game though, the more at-risk of shitting itself things get. You will reach a point where even the AI can't figure out what's going on(because the AI has no "understanding" of the code's logic. It's only delivering a result), and no human can make any proper sense of things anymore as well, and your game is effectively dead by virtual mental illness leading to suicide.
>>739217968Ok thanks for the non sequitur. You lose
>>739217878your one of those people that just doesn't fucking get itall artist try to imitate the artists they admire. that's how you become good at art and create your own style.a machine datamining artists websites to generate slop that stupid fucks like (You) not only eat up, but gladly pay for, is morally reprehensible>>739218107too far gone to even engage in discussion. people like you should be treated like consoomer cattle.
>>739217970Living and suffering through the conditions of life and then making art about it is not stealing ideas you bug person
>>739218107yes it is
>>739218132I'm well aware. But in my example, I specifically specified that the game has to be goodIf it has poor code to the point where it is actively detrimental to the game, it is not good. And let's not pretend like shit code is exclusive to AI
>>739218172>uh, Shat, is this true?
>>739217775>>739217654>The way AI does it isn't all that far offThis isn't even relevant since it's just a tool. YOU, with your divine spark, is using AI to make stuff.Typing out "ur a fgt" and getting chatgpt to do the same thing is THE SAME THING
>>739218270
>>739218320who else is in the room?
>>739218270What the hell would you know about the divine spark you're not even a person you're a golem made of clay
>>739218384I am actually creative and intelligent unlike you
>>739218449Do something creative and intelligent right now>hey chatgpt what's something creative and intelligent I can say
society will learn to update their standards over time just like AI is doing constantly
>>739218518*merely exists*damn that was easy.
>>739218594>why do people expect air to be free? it costs money to purify all this polluted air you knowkys
>>739218270yeah I'll never understand the diehard moralfag contrarian angle of IF YOU'VE EVERN HEARD OF AI ANYTHING YOU PRODUCE IS SLOP, as if its somehow more virtuous to tediously hand-produce literally everything you think to create with no assistancelike, sure, I'm not going to be too interested in a whole book written by AI cause it's like someone saying "Here's a message I wrote for you. What? No, I didn't write it lol." but it's just silly to be unwilling to view AI as something that can be an accelerator to one's creative process.
troonslop uses ai? color me surprised
>>739218657People as retarded as you should be put to death. Not publicly but unceremoniously
>>739214537Should be the norm.
>>739214537Wait, so that's why matchmaking is so fucking dogshit and put me vs seasoned players as a first timer? Lmao
>>739218706If AI writes a good book people will like it, praise it, and more people will read it. It's that simple.Until then we can use it for other forms of art to great effect while the luddites cope.
>>739218810>If AI writes a good book people will like itShame it hasn't written anything good yet, 2 more weeks and dozens of new data centers will get us there
>>739218810some people will, yes.i shant be one of them.
>>739218810no bro you dont understand bro I literally HAVE to tediously do stuff like come up with random notes in a musical scale to make a melody BY MYSELF bro. If I use digital assistance to produce the exact same thing it's SLOP bro.
>>739217136If I ever have to search for a new job, I think I'm just going to physically mail it in. At least I'll know that a person looked at the envelope before throwing it away.
if AI is going to replace so many artists, what does that mean for 3D modelers that use Maya, Blendr, or whatever programs developers use? AI just instantly makes it exist within a minute.
>>739218913>computer literally making shit up for me>assistancethat's a funny way to put it, what's next, you jacking off counting as sex?
>>739218864I'm not that OP but we already saw this shit when photoshop came outnow we just assume everything that isn't strictly a physically handmade painting/drawing/print was digitally modified somehow and even now we have queestions about things that were supposedly handmade
>>739218864I'm not even sure that's true since so many books have been written with it, there could be some good AI generated story out there. I personally don't give any fucks about reading or generated text though so who knows.>>739218897Never say never.
>>739218950i remember sitting in my grad school prof's office, and on his desk were a bunch of resumes for post-doc positions.they ended getting turned over and used as scrap paper. it felt pretty demeaning.
>>739219032shant.the only way i would be morally on board is if an artist exclusively used their own art to train a model they then used to create more art. as soon as a model includes other people's art, it is in a state of sin.
>>739218969I think that 3D professionals will do better than 2D professionals, because for the 2D part they could just prompt or do rough doodles.Eventually pictures will just mysteriously be insta-converted into useable 3D models which will empower illustrators but knowing how to use 3D tools will still be pretty important in that kind of world, and most illustrators just want to draw.Though have you seen draw-to-animation tools? Those are really cool.
>>739218969it will eventually replace the guy that has to spend a couple hundred hours redoing the model topology for the animatorit won't replace the guy that had the vision to have that model made in the first place
>>739214537It wasnt the code though it was the concept.
>>739219181ideabros, we are so back
>>739215886Because we are all just computers in the end that react based on memory and calculating the odds, but with natural parts that experience fatigue and therefor lazyness. We create stuff methodically, so AI can create it rather effortlessly as well. Hell AI is even better at alot of "art" stuff because it can hallucinate and better express a lot of ideas that we input, because the AI has a wider wealth of knowledge.
>>739219203>indian gets 0.30 USD per post>can treat his wife and 15 kids to mcdonalds every day for a week
>>739219181more accurately it will replace 95%+ of the guys who did model topology, and the remaining 5% (or less) will be the ones left using AI tools to gen model topology and then fix it up into a fully usable state.That shit is the unfortunate future for most digital jobs. There will be the lucky few (almost all senior uncs) who get to keep their jobs being basically an overworked AI chaperone, and the rest get the boot
>>739219336young energetic teams will eventually remember they can just start their own businesses
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>>739219336what's particularly awful is when senior uncbros there will only be drooling retards to take their place, as no path from entry level to senior level will exist anymore. it's incredibly short sighted. then again, business and human psychology favor short term optimization over long term planning, unfortunately
>>739218203>muh heckin sufferingemotion without skill createles ugliness and demeans the concept art. Skill is gained from through using and developing the techniques and concepts others have already created. It's why caveman art looked like shit, they didn't have anyone to copy off of so it took tens of thousands of years of copying the last guy but slightly better to get where we are today.
>>739219397no you dont get it, everyone will starve to death because if you dont work for a megacorp, you make no money whatsoever, is what aijeets think.
>>739219436*when senior uncbros retire
>>739214537ohnonono
>>739219259I truly mean this, if you aren't already kind of an ideasfag in some capacity in your profession, you are easily replaceableyou should have the technical expertise for others to want to hear your ideasa good manager is basically an ideasfag whose opinions are trusted
>>739219465leftytroon mentality
>>739214537He used it as it should be used: as a way to search for things when you don’t have the keywords to get a good result on Google. In this case, he asked for a good way to optimise assignments to users given their ranked preferences and it referred him to the Hungarian algorithm; he took it from there.
>>739219498if you don't know your shit, your ideas will invariable be shitinsight comes from experience and wisdomideafags are a dime a dozen and always have been
>>739219609>insight comes from experience and wisdomlol
>>739219436scary, huh? It was kind of already happening prior to the AI boom, but now it's an absolutely inevitability. For rote software shit like corporate web apps especially, you're seeing entire teams get replaced by literally one guy who happens to be able to wear project manager + software architect + cybersecurity hats -- and not even particularly well either, but just good enough.One could also somewhat cynically say that AI shit has hastened the deaths of all the useless people anyway, considering most """teams""" are just 1 or 2 people doing 95% of the work anyway
>>739219498a good manager is a person that knows the strengths and weakness of their team and how to listen/defer to those they manage, allocate work appropriately, and ensure the team is hitting metrics and milestones that move everyone towards the common goalshitty managers think they know it all, micromanage, and are only concerned that graphs move up and to the right
>>739219609I agree, what I meant was you can't just do things well, you still need to have ideas toosome people forget to be that guy sometimes
>>739219714as the saying goes, if you want to go fast go alone, but if you want to go far go with others
I use it to write unit tests. I gave Claude or whatever a stroke a week or so ago on a particularly annoying issue.
>>739215886it depends on your definition of "new"Diffusion models have every concept they've been trained on represented in a graph and essentially turn your prompt into a point on said graph and output the resulting image.a "new" image is simply a point on that graph arrived at by all your inputs, (its why with the same prompt+seed two people can generate the same image) it cannot generate anything outside of the graph.all code is just mundane code pieced together to make new stuff, that being said AI will struggle with languages it has less training on, it's why some people are refactoring codebases to Go or Rust because the companies trained on them specifically, AI struggles in Zig and stuff it doesnt know about.I dunno about music and video but I assume they work similar to diffusion models.
>>739215886Since nobody really answered your question (I guess >>739217484 kind of half-did, but to elaborate)Autogenerative models work by getting fed a huge amount of training data and being asked to reproduce it, and with only a limited amount of parameters to tune, the best way of doing that is to encode the data into patterns. For example, if you ask an LLM to complete "My shirt is green like a _____", the learned patterns would go something like grammatical parsing (attribute assignment, need a noun, etc.) to free-ish association of "green" with other words and then choosing which "green" noun would be most probable. For music I imagine it's a lot simpler even, music theory only has so many "rules." It's also the reason AI-generated stuff can come off as really soulless; it's a lot harder to patternize interesting, original ideas.Some people have this idea that genAI just whips out its training data, cuts it up and pastes it together like you'd make a collage with a magazine and a pair of scissors, which is total nonsense. I'm in the camp that there's not a huge difference between how these models get trained and how a person might, say, learn art by copying other artists. That said I do understand why people are uncomfortable with it being automated and the scale that it's happening in.
>>739214537Its ok if the monopoly does it
>>739214537If it's good its good.But 99% of the AI is just slop because people using it are unable to recognize good because they're shit.
>>739220002Protip: "Steam but without the community or anything that makes it good" is not a good business plan.Anyone can beat the fuck out of steam with a better online front store, but no one does it.
matchmaking in deadlock has been notoriously garbage but no one talks about that, interesting
>>739214537It's the future and the present.
>>739214537In this instance I don't really care. Sounds like chat GPT just found the algorithm somewhere on the internet. The dev chose to use it. Hardly even counts as AI generated.The more important question is, "what is the algorithm?"Also matchmaking sucks in general.
>>739219961the amount of seeds you can use is infinite, so there is an infinite amount calling this a graph is retarded
>>739214537Slop code or actually using AI to analyze patterns and shit so the dev could make a system based on its concept findings like how its used in scientific fields? Fucking AI is such a disingenuous meme term at this point used to cover multiple things and if it's the latter this retarded article is just trying to normalize slop over actual function.
>>739218238Completely true. Bethesda is living proof of the last. The difference though is that somebody thought it through and wrote it, and under normal circumstances, that person can be asked or referred to about what's going on(and if you're really fucking lucky, the nigger commented the code so you can work it out from his notes if you can't talk to him.)The foundation of the work is important. It's like a fucking jenga pile. The harder it is to detangle from the bottom up, the less you can do with it later. AI by its nature, automatically adds obfuscation from the very beginning whereas a human may or may not.
>>739215886It exists in the way that the words in your post aren't a copy of the script of Breaking Bad, even though every word in your post is also in it.
>>739218950I feel like the mail wouldn't even make it to the person handling hiring decisions. Not unless you already knew that person's name, which you probably wouldn't.Still, I like the idea of proving you're a real person like this. Might peak someone's interest that you went above and beyond the normal process.
>>739217273>just strap up your boots>Just be a better slaveWhy are ESL far right conservatives like this? They're the same group that's fighting SKG tooth and nail when it only benefits gamers and consumers.
>>739220662cope jobless tranny
>>739220225I'm just trying to make it easier to understand because it's floats there is technically "infinite" points between two concepts but the "continuous grid" does have an edge where theres no more of your trained concepts in it and it just generates noise.so it's not a "graph" but you do point at a part on it which is represented by a bunch of float coordinates.so yes you could technically (ignoring computing constraints like 64bit numbers) make an infinite amount of images between large_breasts and hotdog but it cant make anything that isn't a point between all it's concepts in it's training data, if you do you just get noise.
>>739214537>he used a [computer] to [identify a new mathematical formula]As if programmers haven't been doing this since the IBM 1
>>739220824what is the definition of noise in the case of an image though? that itself would be a thing
>>739221113stable diffusion uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_noise which just looks like TV static, but theres a bunch of noise functions you dont need AI to make them.
>>739220726How's the boot taste and punching at ghosts going for you pedo?
>>739220824https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hdFG2GcNuA
Vibe coding is insane. I coded a site for my game in a weekend. You're retarded if you don't use it to find mistakes in your code or do some stuff like checking all the various choices and branches in your game and seeing if they make sense or not, allowing the devs to make more choices without overwhelming their brains. I use it as a glorified assistant.
>AInot buying
>>739221201when you're generating you won't see that noise though, that's what the AI is using as its like schizo digital reference
>>739221215the fuck is wrong with this schizo lmao
>>739221346the models are designed to be like, "how much large_breasts you want, decide between +1 and -1" and you say 1.1 you start to break things and eventually you just get noise.I haven't played with this and dont know specifically how each version breaks, but my point is answering anons question in that things outside the coordinates aren't desirable images and are probably just noise and or error messages.
>>739221538Why are you seething there's still massive pushback against AI slop by regular, every day people and SKG is gaining more and more traction?More than both are wins for video games and defeats for you.
>>739221589>but my point is answering anons question in that things outside the coordinates aren't desirable imagesYOU FOOLgoing beyond the weights is where the DMT elves livebehold a glimpse of your next life>(huge breasts_9.6)https://files.catbox.moe/zrdhao.jpg
>>739214537>Reads a book>Makes gameGood>AI reads book>Makes gameNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739214537Retard
>>739222148?
>>739221715I think the prompt 1.1 and the actual coordinate 1.1 are different things but yeah this sort of thing, this would still be near the embedding space i image though.
>>739215676That isn't help, that is doing all the work. The person "helped" is just a glorified commissioner at best.
>>739217136just so you know, linkedin is just a farm for personal information. you don't actually know if someone is hiring.
>>739222937you're just getting caught up in worthless semantics at best, otherwise you're a loser doing mental gymnastics just to diminish the efforts of another human being.
>>739216235this sounds like the plot to an already existing storywait
>>739223138yeah, no shit, and worse yet it's owned by microdicki hate that its facebook 2.0, you'd think zogbots would have picked up on it by now
>>739214537I genuinely don't care, if anything it is likely a good thing as devs have been utter shit for the last decade+. Not to mention the golem American politics that get stuffed into writing as well as the appeal of larping as a cringe Marvel film. AI objectively, and I mean by the very term objectively, cannot be much more shit than the filth we already are served. If we are lucky more people lose their jobs in the industry and fuck right off somewhere else. Retards already can't code and optimize either, might as well have a bot slopshit together there isn't much of a difference at this point.>but muh corpo saving monies and raping us stillI pirate shit as you should too. There is no game worth playing that cannot be pirated.>but my multiplayer sloplol, lmao even
>>739222148yes we know, if a journalist is typing they are lying, and if an OP is posting clickbait screencaps they go straight to hell when they die do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars
>>739214537>developnope, won't buy>incorporate (e.g. use to run npc interactions)would be willing to check it out
>>739214537I think a lot of people who don't work in these industries understand that everything is an incremental adaption of something else. You're never 'creating' anything new in gaming anymore, the only exception to this could be art assets but even that is a fucking stretch. They're getting mad that after making a hammer by hand, that you're using the first hammer to make the second.Every time I start up a game project I have to copy over my old code, copy paste someone else's or now use AI to get the basics up and running. Its the same shit.
>>739214537
>>739215886AI "generates" images by interpolating between other, likely copyrighted, images and falsely purports them as non-derivative. Hope this helps.
>>739214537>two year old article.
>>739223845>CP article
>>739214537what the hell is generative ai
Only valve are so incompetent at making matchmaking that they need a fucking AI to help them. Just look at tf2 matchmaking lol
>>739214537>AI use and Sweet baby designed characters but Valve - :OGo on, cultists, try and defend this. I fucking dare you.
>>739214931SPBP.
>>739214537Then I will not buy it. Simple as.
where does the ai even develop in the first place. does it all come from the server in a data center
>>739216625>It's okay when used in the codingTell me you're not a programmer without telling me you're not a programmer.
>>739223814>Humans "generate" images by interpolating between other, likely copyrighted, images and falsely purports them as non-derivative.I won't include your redditfaggot speak in the quote.
>>739222937That's like saying photographers are just lazy limners, all because they simply push a single button on the camera. The camera's doing all the work, so photography isn't art, photographers are just commissioners.
>>739218191>your one of those people that just doesn't fucking get ityou're a butthurt artist who is upset someone learned your process, turned it into code, and made your craft more efficient because you assigned personal worth and quality to the process itself rather than the actual outputlike the jeet codemonkeys who make the same complaints, you will be replaced with men who use these tools and create things better, faster, and of higher quality than you ever will
>>739224717>photographers aren't artists and photography isn't artCorrect.
>>739215886you are replying to someone who thinks ai art cuts and pastes parts of existing images to make a new one, or copies and pastes existing parts of text into a different paragraph. you will not get a good faith answer.
Eh, my respect for human art dropped to zero after I learned how unoriginal it all is.Michaealgelo's parents paid millions to have him tutored by Giovanni, who in turn paid millions to be tutored by Donatello, who paid millions to be tutored by Brunelleschi, etc, etc. Even Leonardo di Caprio (considered the best artist of all time) was tutored by Verrocchio and L. Moss. Every single great artist in all of human history was just a rich faggot aping the dude who came before them. Every single one. All of them, no exceptions. Even the "self-taught" poverty dudes eventually admit to aping things they see or hear, usually getting their inspiration without permission.The only "original" art are prehistoric cave paintings for they had no tutors, but even then you could argue they were aping nature itself.
>>739225014>t. p-zombie
>>739225048But I didn't mention AI once.
>>739225064neither did i
>>739225143I'm glad we agree, then.
>>739224093All the big modern AI systems are based on the groundbreaking "Attention Is All You Need" paper from Google in 2015, which to simplify an incredibly complex topic means it gets its result by pushing the intake data through a series of probabilistic filters that were created by analysis of huge lumps of training data. The ultimate form of what nerds call the "bitter lesson" of AI where getting a bunch of human experts to write bespoke programs to give the AI their special knowledge inevitably, invariably lose out to just stuffing more data in to get better filter layers and giving it more processing power to shove inputs through the layers faster.
>>739225158wtf are you doing on a vidya board? vidya is literally art in the strictest sense of the word
>>739214537if i were valve i would remove that its spyware and can be rugpulled by open aithey planned on using it to shut down deadlock plus gain access to the valve servers
AI is used to develop every game, from the art to the music to the story. The only variable is whether the developers want to disclose that they are or not.
>>739214537Can't they use ChatGPT to make that game less ugly?
>>739214537I have a shitton of free AI tokens at work, so I used it to make this Rampart clone with some extra stuff and a 4 player mode
at this point with ai nothing will be real
When someone says they like an AI thing, how can you tell between whether they have low standards or if you're just a picky eater? Is there some test I can perform?
>>739217136My job has updated the hiring procedure recently. God, I do NOT want to look for jobs after 2025 if other companies do the same.>CV screening by AI>preliminary call with AI>recommendation (2x at least) screening by AI>recommenders are contacted by AI to check for lies>first interview with HR to check for "fit for the team">take-home case study>second interview with HR+senior+some other faggot for technical questions>third call with the future team with a case study in real time>fourth call with HR+senior+CEO, allegedly "for vibe check" (I was told so)And aaaaalllll of that for an ENTRY-LEVEL engineer position for a less-than-average salary.
>>739214537I think AI is a tool that should be used if you find it useful.
>>739214906you are waiting for a monkey paw wish. anything you make will become as disposable as the average AI meme
>>739227204Not him but I don't think that's true.The three things about media are that>most people can't articulate what makes the things they like good, and using AI inherently requires articulation>even the bare minimum amount of effort is undesirable (over 50% of drivers don't use their turn signal, etc)>half the reason play video games is to socialize with others, either directly or indirectly (even you came to a video game imageboard, didn't you?)This means that even with perfect and accessible AI, the average person will be unable to make meaningfully good games, would much rather click a button and download something someone else said was good rather than go through the steps to prompt, and even if the above doesn't apply, would rather want to play what everyone else is playing anyways.
>>739215886>that literally doesn't already exist?It does though. It's a glorified compression algorithm. The fact that there are many different forms of the same thing in essence is how it can generate what you want. The output is based on probability and the accuracy is a direct result of the training data. That's why when the data isn't ample enough it starts hallucinating garbage.
>"hey AI what's that one algorithm called that works like this bla bla bla">OMFG YOU USED AI I'M NEVER BUYING THIS GAME EVERRRRRRR
>>739219032>there could be some good AI generated story out thereI doubt we'll see it for a long timeI use it for editing help sometimes, pointing out mistakes and the like, but I've never seen it write an actual compelling story
I dont see the problem?AI is surprisingly good at parsing out vague questions and finding the answer you're looking forI call them "tip of the tongue" or "back of the head" search engines
>>739228939Yeah man, trust the AI
heres an actual truth bomb, AI wouldnt be that popular today if they didnt neuter literally every single search engine on the market
>>739215886It simply matches the patterns from works it was already trained on using tags applied to them prior to training to generate similar patters.It basically takes what you asked it to make, uses data that's been pre-categorized by people (think things like those google captchas that would ask you to identify crosswalks and cars but coupled with people from 3rd world countries being paid pennies on the dollar to do the same thing, or even just ripped images and tags from boorus) as a set of examples, and generates something that roughly fits within the dataset provided.The generation process is pseudo-random and based on a seed variable, which is why when you make that variable a constant, you can actually have generators produce the same thing repeatedly.It's basically a "line of best fit" approximation tool, that hides behind the fact that the abstractions around the data it's generating are too complex for the average person not already interested in technology and data formats to understand, in order to make it appear that it's generating completely unique works, when really they're all entirely derivative of existing content.If that shit sounds complicated it's because it is, and that complexity is what lets AItards go "HURR DURR IT'S MAGICALLY MAKING THINGS LEIK DA HUMAN BRAEN!".It's a cool piece of technology that has a lot of interesting applications and the emergent potential for creativity IS there, but those applications are all being overlooked for the sake of writing your boss's emails and making the textures and code for Rajdingus's next steam store shovelware slop because he's too retarded to learn basic design and programming logic.
>>739223792i look like this, but i don't usually say this....
>>739229214That's a lot of words to avoid saying>it learns from what you showed it before and makes new things with itWhich is how humans work
>>739228939>AI is surprisingly good at parsing out vague questions and finding the answer you're looking forThe problem is that, while it can be good for answering questions it actually has the data to conclusively answer, the second it doesn't, it gives you an answer it just came up with on the spot that's probably comically incorrect, but presents it with an infinite degree of confidence.Even for months after the "is there still water in the pool of the titanic?" shitposting, google's AI returned shit like "well actually what I meant is that the ORIGINAL water from the pool isn't there now" before going back to double down on why there was actually no water at all in the pool that's still sitting at the bottom of the ocean.You're genuinely better off just looking for centralized resources relevant to whatever information you're asking about.
>>739229440>Which is how humans workProve it.
>>739229447which is why they give that disclaimer "double check shit the AI says">You're genuinely better off just looking for centralized resources relevant to whatever information you're asking about.Clearly not in this case, you would have been googling for hours to find the answer the machine arrived at here >>739222148 in seconds
Should have used Claude
>>739229497If you learned anything at all in school it's already proven for youWhich might explain why you're even making such a retarded demand, I suppose
>He's been winning?>Have two ai agents on the other side with walls, private accounts 1000 hours with a 200+ library to reduce suspicion>Pair the AI up with a whale with all the cosmetic purchases who likes to say ggez every kill. That will hopefully get him mad enough to play another three hours into the night.>Set him up with that guy whose whole living room is coming through the mic, I like him>You know what to do if he says anything inflammatory
>>739229790I know you're taking the piss but the sad part is this kind of schizophrenia is actually something real people exhibit
>>739214537>ai>new algorithmjeet just got a copy pasta from something generic on Stakoverflow and nobody questionned the source.
>>739229712>prove it>noSo what you're saying is you can't prove that human beings create new things exclusively through the process of combining all the relevant experiences they've undergone, as categorized by external parties, and creating something that lines up with an algorithmic representation of a heat map built out of said relevant data, as refined by adding petabytes worth of additional information to further refine the output?It would have been easier to say "I have no clue what I'm on about and should probably shut the fuck up".
artists are such fucking faggotsI'm glad AI is replacing them
>>739230071Thanks for your input, but humans still learn things through observation, sorry
>>739230148>nuh-uhyah-huh
>>739230175I accept your concession. Good talk I suppose
>AI CAN create new art, you fucking luddite! It just has to copy every single existing artwork to make a mishmash of it!it's funny because you can easily notice if a pic is AI-made because they all have that tranime style where every face is the same
>>739229440it neither "learns" nor "makes new things"it compresses a dataset across a matrix, takes a prompt and predicts output based on the matrix
>>739217136Not to mention most job listings are fake because they make it look like the company is growing.
>>739218618HOLY BASED
>>739230225>prompt for something that doesn't currently exist>if you were right, it would be unable to do this>miraculously, it does it
>>739214906They already are, just not the free ones.
>>739215886It actually doesn't, tho, it just glues together different data points to create a new image, but it doesn't invent something that it wasn't trained on.Just don't be this naive to think that's supposedly revolutionary.I've used chatgpt to help me with something at work, I gave it the css styles it had to use, lo and behold it gave me a code snippet with completely invented css styles, because since my style sheet wasn't in its training data, it couldn't understand how to use it.
>>739215415it is? what AI?
>>739230364it's more like prompting for a variation of something, of which thousands of examples exist for. that's why AI can only really automate making shitty throw away systems that were normally the responsibility of junior developersif it truly made new things, it could architect in ways humans have not already thought of (it doesn't do this and never will)
>>739230527One of the Erdos Problems in mathematics was solved autonomously by AI this year, after sixty years of no one getting it.How could it do that if it were only generating variations of existing things? Are you suggesting it referenced a solution that didn't exist yet?
>>739230638I don't know much about that but it sounds like clickbait bullshit.
>>739230696https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.07421>We provide a writeup of a resolution of Erdős Problem #728; this is the first Erdős problem (a problem proposed by Paul Erdős which has been collected in the Erdős Problems website) regarded as fully resolved autonomously by an AI system.Does this mean you were wrong?
>>739230696nta but look it up then dude, fuck's sake
>>739225162>informative post>in this boardWhat the heck? Here's a (You).
>>739218950Nothing short of nepotism and undercutting the failing economy with cash on hand will be the only ways to move forward. The deck is stacked in such a way that trying to play fair is comparable to slamming your dick in a car door.
>>739230478I have a /v/ gamejam game and two games on steam made with copilot for code, stable diffusion forge for sprites, and suno for music. All undisclosed.The only manual things I did were touching up some of the art/songs and making some of the UI elements myself.
>>739214537Couldn't be worse than the legions of Indians doing it right now.
>>739230803>The system in question is a combination of GPT-5.2 Pro by OpenAI and Aristotle by Harmonic>operated by Kevin Barreto
>>739214537>AI can't do anything right, it's just auto correct>AI is going to replace us all and I demand socialismI've heard both of these, in equal measure. You know what it means? It means AI is actually working, and it will be even more widespread and advanced in the future.
>>739230803Yes and /sci/ managed to bait /a/ into solving a problem that resulted in a peer reviewed paper being published.While this is on it's 5th revision and still doesn't appear to have passed any sort of formal review.The drooling morons on /a/ are currently outperforming billions of dollars worth of software on the scoreboard just by having it framed as a waifu argument.
>>739231231>The drooling morons on /a/ are currently outperforming billions of dollars worth of software on the scoreboard just by having it framed as a waifu argument.Based waifuchads
>>739231172Both are true though. CEOs don't give a shit that it doesn't work, just that it gives the impression that it does so they can cut thousands of jobs.
>>739230638It was an easy problem though.
>matchmaking algorithm>translation: forced 50/50 player engagement
>>739227141What's the procedure when your company actually needs to hire someone ?
>>739231613Maybe you're just shit lmao t. 56% winrate
>>739231882>proud of losing more than 4 out of 10 gamesWhy are you bragging about losing so often
>>739231920>implying you could do better
>>739215886It's not. Using art as an example AI is essentially glueing bits and pieces of millions of other artworks together and using massive pattern matching algorithms to put it into coherent shapes. Try to create something that is completely original, something that has truly never been done before, and the illusion falls apart because the AI has nothing to go off of. Anyone who thinks AI is intelligent is a fool.
>>739215364https://youtu.be/JuRhL6rafNo
Why doesn't dedshit not pop off? There's something inheritable flawed with the game, maybe it's the shit tier hero shooter design? Even with how bad frog nigger made Dota 2 it's still doing better than his now dogshit (totally not a dota clone) game
>>739233448Stuns and movement impairing abilities are inherently unfun and deadlock is full of them
>>739230941Yeah that's not really an AI made game, you have to put all that shit together. May be easy for a small scale game but try making something big with that approach and it'll require months of hands on full time work. And because you put it all together, it's not fun for you to play, you know all of it already. Whereas a fully AI made game would surprise youI'm waiting for when AI can make 8bit games all on its own. I'll be genning and playing that shit for a year straight
>>739233448Deadlock is still in beta.
>>739233538>Stuns and movement impairing abilities are inherently unfun and deadlock is full of themso is dota you retarded subhuman lmao>>739233581dota was beta until 7.00 you retarded tranny
>>739233605dota isn't a tps
>>739233639deadlock is still a shittier lower skilled version of dota made for hero shooter trannies
>>739214537If it isnt for artistic things, I dont care.If a games phsyics are better because ai helped, who cares
>>739233448It soft-launched as an unfinished pre-alpha with missing assets and almost zero polish.It wasn't even meant to launch, it was supposed to be a super secret private test that people snuck into.There was zero advertising or fanfare, 100% of the playerbase is there via word of mouth, of which now there is zero of since every streamer has moved on from playing an unfinished alpha.The correct thing to do was finish or at least polish it first, then launch it with ads, but the window for that is long gone now.
>>739214537What AI luddites dont know is that every game studio that is larger than 5 people uses AI to some degree. You might not see it as the end user because it might be invisible, such as the code.
>>739233668I remember when the game launched, and it was only DEI Sweet Baby Inc. character design. Game was literally made for hero shooter trannies day one.
>>739233605>dota was beta until 7.00
>>739223187I heard that story answered ALL questions in a satisfactory way
>>739233820game still says beta in the steam folder check mate.
>>739214996Humans do the same.
>>739233692You retards keep saying this as if you're sharing some deep industry insider shit, but we fucking know. We can tell by the fact there's a new story about an AI agent wiping a repo or database every three days, major sites like amazon are having major downtime more and more frequently, projects like godot and rpcs3 are having to tell sloptards to fuck off and stop spamming them with broken vibe coded pull requests and even AI evangelists like Linus Torvalds are telling people to stop submitting worthless AI generated bug reports.
>>739234061>and even AI evangelists like Linus Torvalds are telling people to stop submitting worthless AI generated bug reports.That doesn't change the fact that AI is used in the linux kernel, its just not used in bug reports. Its a fact that pretty much all tech companies use AI. You would know if you worked in tech.
>>739234061>we fucking knowThen stop talking as if AI games are avoidable. Everything is already full of slop, code or otherwise. Judge the quality of the product instead of complaining about how it was made.
>>739234143That's my point you retard, we can tell and the industry is all the worse for it.
>>739232875>Try to create something that is completely original, something that has truly never been done beforeWhat artlets like you don't understand is that humans can't do that either. You can make random ass lines on the canvas and technically they'll be "new" but they would mean nothing to the people looking at them. Artists can only tap into what the audience is already prepared to accept, you can't just force something entirely new into existence without building on something that already exists and already has an emotional connection to people. AI works the same way>nooo it can't make a new visual styleit can, you're just an artlet luddite who's only ever used hyperpolished overtrained models. You need undertrained chaotic models to do something new, that's why SD1.5 is so much more original than SD2.0 onwards. It was undertrained and open to experimentation
>>739231692They ask CEO or seniors if they>know the guywho then gets fast-tracked and only does the last step
deadlock feels like a social experiment specifically designed by valve to torture and humiliate MOBA players
