>>739215083
how so?

>>739215083
Monokuma LIED?!

>>739215304
Because it didn't happen.

>>739215429
okay? it's a hypothetical scenario, nobody said that there were necessarily two different killers

>>739215410
I can’t believe the bad guy would lie

>>739215613
But I did eat breakfast today

>>739215083
Every game has a lie like this, they do the retarded mirroring thing

I wish this Trial concluded with the possibility that there COULD have been a second Killer. Imagine entering the following Day on the edge because a killer could be amongst them.

>>739215083
When I played V3 I was really hoping for Kaito to have been the culprit of Chapter 3. He spends the beginning of it petrified about the idea of ghosts and the idea of being able to resurrect a dead student, with him literally unable to take part in the chapter essentially because of it, and then both murders are caused in relation to the characters trying to resurrect or invoke the dead in some way, with Angie trying to do the motive summoning and then Tenko being in the center of salt circle and being the one meant to have the ghost of Angie speak through her. Of course the cause of death is obviously not true for Angie with the knowledge you get about her actual death in the class trial, but in the initial investigation it appears that she got killed while doing the summoning.

Kaito even said something either before or within the trial that felt similar to what Kaede said to Saihara before the first class trial. But alas I was wrong.

>>739215083
It wasn't a lie. The writers just fumbled by not giving us the possibility of two different killers

>>739215083
So was "The mastermind that orchestrated the death is the real blackened." It should've been irrelevant whose hand threw the poison grenade, Nagito's death was a suicide.

>>739215613
If a Rifle is shown on a mantle, then it better go off at the end, anon.

>>739221462
Manslaughter, but we're in agreement no agency from the blackened happened.

>>739215613
Over reliance on red herrings is the sign of an amateur writer.

>>739223970
that's not what a red herring is

This is like seeing the 'NO DIVING' sign at a shallow hot tub and expecting someone to dive into it by the end of the night

>>739224705
Not him but cmon, its just another way of saying subversion which they all come down to.

>>739224982
Chekov's gun is writing 101. All the other games do it. When you subvert it slapdashedly, especially to go with a boring direction like what happened, then yea, most people will think its lame.

>>739224982
Normally if something is established within a story, it's because it will become relevant later. It never does in all 3 games.
It's bizarre, but I guess DR does some bizarre things. I remember being absolutely convinced Nagito was Naegi when I was playing 2 since they were clearly leading the player into thinking a certain way, and then he just isn't and it's never mentioned.

>>739220627
God,that chapter was a fever dream and the worst one in the series.

>>739226729
>I remember being absolutely convinced Nagito was Naegi
Its clear he's supposed to be a dark reflection of him in Trial 1, but he was never literally supposed to be him. How would that even work, he's like 5'10.

>>739220627
>Saihara
KEN-SAMA! ONEGAI

>>739215083
Second best case in the game, only behind 3-5

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>>739227030
Time passing. Same as Twogami being 500 pounds.
>Lucky student
>Vaguely similar hair, although now sickly looking
>Same eye color
>Same VA
>Similar color scheme
>Assumes he's in a death game before the idea is even introduced
>Obsession with hope
>Twogami exists
You could forgive a nigga for coming to the obvious conclusion

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>>739227219
Oh yeah, also that point where they found out their cases were similar to the cases in 1 and they were like "wow...it's like this has all happened before..." implying some connection to the first game, of which those two would be obvious things to think of along with monokuma.
But it's never particularly pointed out so it was just a meta thing after all.

>>739222205
why

>>739227219
There all in their late teens/early 20s so I doubt Makoto would grow that much. Then there's the name in the Student Handbook, meaning it can't be some anagram.

>>739227404
Because then you're just wasting time if a plot point goes nowhere.
Its the exact reason why people tend to hate "it was all a dream" endings.

>>739220627
SEESAW is a dumb answer and you know it

>>739227750
It was all a dream ending is a copout when you don't have a way to explain what happened
A writer showing a potential scenario that ends up not happening while you wrongfully assume it HAS to happen because it was proposed simply makes you a retard for assuming.

>>739227750
so exciting, to make your world small, and to make yourself completely predictable

>>739227798
>you wrongfully assume
I didn't wrongfully assume anything. Hell, the characters even acknowledged that it didn't make any sense for Korekiyo to kill both.


>>739227868
>so exciting, to make your world small, and to make yourself completely predictable

good writing is supposed to be somewhat predictable. Characters are supposed to be a reflection of their characteristics and plot points in a story should inform the ending of it. Him being a serial killer comes from nowhere besides just being a creepy guy.

Nobody could predict the Danganronpa 3 anime but theres not a fan who will tell you that it was good.

>>739222205
>>739223970
Thats not what this is, retards.
First retard: chekhov's gun isnt binary, in the context of this game and statement, there are a lot of questions and rules, monokuma was clarifying. Its a mystery game, ergo, it has mystery. chekhov's gun doesnt demand all instances of guns be fired, not when the setting is in a museum of guns.
Do you play cludo and complain not all weapons were used?

For the second retard, this isnt a red herring, nor is it relied on... which you know since you are replying to a guy who said it never comes up in the game kek
This was one person asking "if this happens, what happens?" and theyre doing that for the audience, you, because this is one of those glaring, obvious questions you would have if you were in this situation, this is what most people would be annoyed at people not asking if they didnt, because why wouldnt you take the time to confirm the rules of the death game if you were in one.

specifically this isnt a red herring either, as it IS mentioned during the celeste murders (IIRC), in the confusion of it all, they suggest the possibility of two killers... which normal people would.
The fact there was never this situation doesnt mean it couldnt have been, or had no bearing on the game or characters.

>>739215410
>LIED
>>739217431
>lie
what lie? There was no lie. A lie means to say something that isnt truthful. This is just a rule of the mechanics of the murder game that never came up

>>739228167
>First retard: chekhov's gun isnt binary, in the context of this game and statement, there are a lot of questions and rules, monokuma was clarifying. Its a mystery game, ergo, it has mystery. chekhov's gun doesnt demand all instances of guns be fired, not when the setting is in a museum of guns.

Bullshit, since Korekiyo's entire plan hinged on the rule. Its why Tenko's murder even before the trial makes it obvious it was him once the Salt Pentagram truth bullet popped up, as well as Kokichi going into the floorboards. It is quite clearly a botched Chekhov's gun. You can't set up shit and have it go nowhere (Well I guess you can if you want to tell a bad story)
>He just did both because he's crazy"!
is hacked writing.

>>739219694
>Imagine entering the following Day on the edge because a killer could be amongst them.
They already do this with the very idea that, quite literally, any one of them could be the next killer. Characters literally tell you how scared or uncomfortable they are. They dont trust each other for the very reason they know someone could be a killer
The only thing making it so a killer got away with a prior killing would change is... well nothing if they dont know who the killer is beyond some flavour text, so the only change it'd make is making it so they know whodunnit, which just makes it the V3 kokichi thing again. "lets tie this guy up or something" "b-but what if someone comes to kill him" etc etc

>legit just kills everyone from the start
tell me why wont this work.

>>739228478
I feel like Monokuma would kill you if you tried that. Monokuma still wants a "game" that induces as much despair as possible. If you attempt a massacre you don't intend on hiding, you might get put down.

This case squandered off a perfect premise of having two different murderers, with the second one getting off scot-free and then having all that drama continue to the next chapter. Honestly baffling how dumb it was for seesaw man to go for the double whammy

>>739228478
Killing more than 2 people is against the rules so he would kill you. Would you be able to get away with it before he can stop it from happening? I think it'd be very doubtful you could get your massacre before that.

>>739228478
how are you going to hide the bombs in the food

>>739228449
Don't get why anons keeps bringing this up as a gotcha. Its different if they legitimately killed someone right in front of them that they knew. Without visual evidence, they might as well just be some edgy chuuni.

>>739228478
Only way you could do it is with poison or a bomb, which just seems impractical.

>>739221462
wasnt the point that due to the chaff, monokuma had no idea who orchestrated it either?
he doesnt know if he was killed, or if he was alive and suicided, but he also didnt know who planned it all until the trial, more specifically until AFTER he declared kaito as blackened, he was totally blind, its not until kaito basically admits the plan that monokuma had any idea it was kokichi who planned it too, and that was after he declared the blackened. This would just break the game (which was the students plan)

>yeah but then, wouldnt he conclude kaito wasnt the mastermind from that point on and have to admit defeat
maybe, but, why would he care? you think monokuma actually wants to lose the whole game due to a technicallity? The rules are only there for the format to work fairly enough, for 1+2 its for the game, for 53 I guess its for the fucking "viewers lol"
Wasnt it even DR1 that said the rules are there due to outside viewers too?

if you follow that logic, monokuma was of course going to ignore the fact it was, by his little side rule, blackened self killing because that would be lame for the viewers. "sorry games over, they got me"

Personally I think you retards take it way too seriously, its pretty fucking obvious monokuma and pals dont take it as seriously as the fans do at this point. But muh rules doesnt matter when youre talking about a killer robot bear. He cares until he doesnt. Its not fair, so what?
>b-but the writing... t-the rules!
no, calm the fuck down. Stop taking it so fucking seriously

>>739225105
no, a red herring is a deliberate attempt to point you at a wrong choice that goes nowhere, its a lie. The red herring isnt real but they told you it was. They had you look for it, knowing it was never there, to make you engage in a pointless excersise so they can "subvert" you later with the truth. its deliberate misdirection for the purpose of hiding the truth.

This isnt a red herring, this is more like laying out all the fish in front of you and saying one of these fish could be the fish you are looking for, but not all fish are guaranteed to be the right one, theyre just fish. The truth is still there, theyre just not telling you which threads to follow.
They tell you this so YOU, the player, can speculate on whodunnit while having the questions of "what if X" answered, its possible the player wonders what happens if there are two killers, and the player wouldnt have an answer if they didnt cover this. This is for YOU to not be left in the dark.
Whether or not the rule ends up mattering is a moot point, you didnt know it wouldnt matter, ergo you are free to speculate about it as a possibility much like the guys in the game

Youre not being lied to, youre being told explicitly what the rules are if it occurs. not that it HAS occured.

>>739225163
This isnt chekovs gun though, you only think that because you didnt play it and dont know the context. The context is just rule clarification, not a set up of multiple killers. They ask because it seems possible, at the time, two killers exist and they need to know how to vote in case that is the truth. Also chekovs gun isnt absolute and never was. if it was, itd be lame because wed always know the answer to the mystery as soon as the "gun" is shown to us.

>>739227404
Because redditwitter told him so

>>739228721
That's devil's proof, I refuse to explain!

>>739227404
>>739231579
basically, yeah.
its drop out film-school faggots insisting on knowing how writing works to feel good about themselves.
>heh, this violates chekovs gun law... oh, what is that you say? Do ask me!
these people make youtube essays over this shit

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>Puhuhu! Danganronpa 2x2 is coming to Epic Games Store!
They know it's not going to sell lmao

>>739235242
I need to be sold on the idea this is actually a new DR game, at all.
The way they did this makes it possible its a DR2 remake + DR4 rolled into one, but also, that its DR2 with a sort of expansion pack slapped on

no new characters or setting is lame though, especially when IMO DR2 has the worst setting, no claustrophobic DR1 school / DR3 building+cage, set in a bright, vibrant, relaxing resort.
Way less tense than the other games.