>6 coresSteambros.....
Let me guess. You NEED more?
>>739216663Here's a desktop equivalent of the Steam Machine.If Valve can keep the price under $1000, it's going to sell like crazy.
>>739217143not really, you're selling to the console crowd. they don't want to pay a huge sum to play video games.
>>739216663what's the problem ? 6 cores is more than enough for casual play at 1080p/60fps
>>739217143wow so a ps5 is stronger than that
>>739217143Unlike building a PC on your own Valve buys parts from wholesale. Meaning they'll get a discount in buying in bulk. So Valve won't have to pay retail prices for parts. At worst it'll be $999.99.
>>739217143Steam machine is reportedly closer to a laptop 7600 or 4060And you can get a 5060 ti prebuilt for around $1000 if you spend a few minutes looking
>Console war sperg out over shit from SIX MONTHS AGO
>>739218482Absolutely not. The GPU in a PS5 is RDNA 2. Which is a RTX 2080. The GPU in this spec sheet would be a RX 7600 which is equal to a worse RTX 4060.The CPU in a PS5 is AMD Ryzen 7 3700. The CPU in this spec sheet would be a AMD Ryzen 5 7600X.Both PS5 and Steam Machine have 16GB of RAM.PS5's have 1TB SSDs. Steam Machines can have 512 or 2TB.So, no, a PS5 is worse.
Holy mother of organic marketing. Shut up and take my money!
>>739217143>If Valve can keep the price under $1000
>>739216663The CPU is fine, it's the GPU side that's weak as shit.
>Another valvetroon coping thread
>>739217143>it's going to sell like crazy.just like the Steam Deck murdered the Switch in sales, right?lmaoooo, why are Steam Troon PC-only farts so fucking mentally ill?
>>739218903looks like the steam machine's rdna 3 has half the vram of the ps5's rdna 2way more efficient at how it does its stuff, though.I think they are more comparable than you think, and the steam machine is made to focus on games that are a bit older.1080p level shit, but with decent raytracing
>>739219475Is this an actual nintendo shill or another snoy pretending like usual?
>>739216663>16gbwhat a joke
>>739216663who gives a fuck, start selling the FUCKING STEAM FRAME ALREADY
>>739216663>HDMI 2.0Is this a joke? No VRR, max of 4k 60Hz 8-bit, on the piece of hardware they made to plug on a TV?
>>739216663>Nooo muh coresFor gaming only single core per really matters 6 cores is plenty to run a lightweight linux distro and steam and a game.But yeah this isn't a replacement for a workstation duh
>>739216663Let me guess, only UHS-I support on the microsd slot
i just want the frame
>>739218903>The GPU in a PS5 is RDNA 2The GPU on a PS5 is RDNA 1.5. Series X and PS5 Pro are RDNA 2.
>>739219631most TV's are made for HDMI still, anon.
>AMD gpu.ick
>>739219735Re-read what i said, anon. My complain is that it's 2.0 and not 2.1, so missing a lot of shit like VRR and support for 120Hz or proper HDR.
>>739217143>Here's a desktop equivalent of the Steam Machine.
Reminder every PC cuck is a subhuman.Valveniggers are even worse, thankfully fatso will die of fat and take Steam and all accounts with him.
>>739219631>Is this a joke?No, HDMI 2.1 isnt supported for AMD gpus on linux. However, Valve said they've overcome the issue somehow and can get 120Hz.
>>739219818>3060
>>739219674>For gaming only single core per really mattersWhat's life like in 2008?
>>739219808You are complaining about shit the steam machine wasn't even built to render.its not made for 4k gaming and you are whining that they didn't waste money on a license to put HDMI ports in it that support 4k gaming.they built that thing to hit 60hz on 1080p gaming reliably.You are bitching because its not hitting benchmarks a $2000+ pc would be built for.
>>739219818>3060>bloatdows 11
>>739219893>literally during the peak era of gaming
>>739219919>its not made for 4k gamingSo you mean it's a machine for people rocking 1080p 32" TVs from 2016?VRR is a must, and this PoS wont support it. Also, you talk like FSR/DLSS isn't the core focus of both AMD and Nvidia.
>>739220070>THE BUDGET BOX ISNT TOP OF THE LINE?!!?!why are you even here if you are gonna be this retarded?
>>739217206>they don't want to pay a huge sum to play video games.They already do. People lost their shit about the $599 launch PS3 but the PS5 and even the Switch 2 aren't that much better and it's arguably worse if you count the paid online shit.Ultimately it'll boil down to marketing. But even if you ignore the console crowd, there're tons of budget PC games that will greatly benefit of a powerful sub $1000 prebuilt PC that outpeforms a similar priced custom built PC.
>>739220116The fags running the board need it to "fail" like that means anything so they can win the console war that exists only in their mind.
>>739220116>The PoS that will run shit at sub 60fps and as such would benefit from VRR will not feature itWho's the retard?
>>739220204>REEEE I NEED VRRvsync is still a thing, dumbassits 60fps at 1080p.on a tv at a distance from you.stop crying
>>739219631>>739219808It will probably support HDMI 2.1 after all.There was a legal/licensing issue that was preventing it. The hardware almost certainly supports it and it looks like the legal issue has finally been solved somehow.
>16GB RAM>512GB storagelol
>>739217143they confirmed premium price when they set that awful controller to $99anything under $1200 for the machine itself is a pipe dream
>>739220386>vsync >when anon is talking about vrrNot only are these two different things involving two separate solutions to framerate, you somehow think vsync magically solves the issue that he's talking about. Tell me how I know you're retarded without you expressly saying so
Historically the single-core performance was all that mattered in vidya, but moar coars have started actually making a difference these days since shitty vidya game engines finally caught up to the hardware and began actually using it.
>>739220409issue is probably just HDMI being jackasses about it.they are notoriously greedy cocksuckers in the relevant autistic circles.>googlesyeah it looks like HDMI were seething about how open Valve likes to be with all their shit.Its the drivers.
>>739216663when is this out?
>>739220548:) It DOES solve the issue thokeep crying about the budget box not being top-of-the-line with all the shiny stuff
>>739217143>HP prebuilt>equivalentNigga no.
>>739220592Vsync doesn't magically make a game running at 40fps run at 60fps dipshit. VRR is there to make sure the uneven frametimes/pacing don't cause issues in the image.How fucking retarded are you.
>>739220657You have to forgive him. Steamies have never used a VRR device like the Rog Ally so they have no clue what it does. They just think it's bad/pointless because the Deck doesn't have it.
>>739220657Nobody said it would make 40fps turn into 60fpsthats not what VRR does either :)Have you tried NOT being a retard and skipping the made-up bullshit?
>>739220696Pretending to be a ROG Ally fanboy isn't going to save you Nintendork.Maybe save yourself the embarrassment and delete the thread.
>>739220561Nunya bizness
>>739220696all vrr does is tell the hardware in the monitor what framerate to display at, based on the software render rate :)vsynch tells the SOFTWARE to render at a fixed rate that the hardware operates at :)
>>739220763they sure are taking their time
>>739216663Isn't 2.1 needed for 4K or i messing it up with HZ.
>>739220705I just explained what VRR does you dumbass. How the fuck does vsync help a game running at 40fps in terms of frame pacing being out of sync with the refresh rate of your monitor or TV?
>>739218770Sure man, enjoy the hyper expensive brick.
>>739216663I don't understand any of that, is it better or worse than a 3060 12GB?
>>739220851No?You ranted and made up some mumbo jumbo about magically turning low fps into high fpsThats called FRAME generation :)How are you so retarded that you managed to confuse something your GRAPHICS CARD DOES with an extra bit of info in the data stream to your MONITOR?>MUH 40fps!the game will be running at 60fps, actually :)you are really bad at this lol
>>739217143what the fuck, i bought a 9800X3D, 9070XT, 32gb RAM rig for $1650 in november. these prices fucking suck
>>739220939Worse
How TF is this supposed to do 4k gaming. This isnt even that much better then the fucking deck.
>>739217143why do people think Steam has secret technology that no other company has?
>>739220939if you aren't raytracing, yeahthe steam machine is better while using less power for it.if you are raytracing its slightly worse.
>>739216663It's funny how they added "28 CUs" on the GPU specs. I've bought many graphics cards in my life, and I've never seen that term. They've only added it so dumb people quickly look at it and think it's GBs of VRAM or something. The 8GB would look less impressive without that big "28 CUs" next to it. Lmfao, they are so pathetic, it's unbelievable.
>>739221072>>739221024Guess I'm not getting a gabecube if my 3060 is more or less as good as it.
>>739217143Nah pic related is a better comparison.>>739221089Its what the console makers have been advertising to the general public, so they just choose those numbers as a followup.
>>739220965I didn't make up any mumbo jumbo. You specifically stated that vsync fixed the issue of not having VRR when that isn't nor has ever been true. I specifically said 40 -> 60 because unless you're running a game at 30, any framerate between 30 to 60 is going to give uneven frame pacing causing screen tearing and visual issues that VRR is there to fix. Turning on vsync does NOTHING IF YOU PLAY A GAME YOU CAN'T RUN AT 60 FPS.
>>739221170well yeah?its meant to be a budget thing for people who haven't already built a decent budget computer.casuals
>>739221052Its weaker than most mid range gaming laptops. Its not a 4K machine built for brand new titles. If it released in 2024 it would still be mediocre.>>739221089Stop posting here and never come back, little kid.
>>739220865I'm just pointing out one advantage that prebuilts have over home made PCs in terms of cost. And that's wholesale bulk buying parts.
>>739221195game is gonna be run at 60fps tho?why are you so mad over something YOU said?
>>739221245I'm glad you think every game ever released in the future will run at 60fps minimum on this PoS. The PS5 and Series consoles released 6 years ago with VRR for $500 each. This "budget" box will be at minimum $800 (extremely generous on my part) and is missing basic shit.>why are you so mad over something YOU said?>>739220592So you're saying vsync solves the issue of uneven frame pacing? Got it. You're a retard.
>>739216663>>739217143>source: my festering neovagina
This was spotted in Costco at the end of April. The price is in Canadian Dollars. It comes down to $581.69 USD. On top of that you have Costco warranty PLUS the manufacturer warranty.Only literal idiots would even consider buying a Steam Machine.
>>739221505>just go back in time and grab this limited deal bro
>>739221446You'll be able to run games in the 100s if you use 360p, set everything to max and lower the resolution until stable.
>>739221446>random fanfiction about the budget box NEEDS TO RUN EVERYTHING NEW AND BE TOP OF THE LINEthis again?>SO YOUR SAYING-no?YOU keep saying lies and getting mad at your own lieshave you tried NOT lying? :D
>>739216663I look like this
>>739216663only 16 gb RAM? At least they have VRAM to make up for that, right?
>>739216663It's unironically an upgrade from my shitty 6-year-old laptop that can reliably play shit like Elden Ring on high. I like it.
>steamdrones excited for a shitty prebuilt>again
>>739218482
>>7392216868GB only lmfao. Good luck in the future. Games are already eating that up before you even get into "high" graphics setting territory.
>>739221726yeah, I'm with a 3080 right now. I guess I will have to wait a long time for my next build.
>>739221639Your own post says it solves the issue. Go be a retard somewhere else.
>>739221749>I made a shitty thread to cry about valve and got made fun of>This can only be the fault of someone OTHER than me! >:0
>>739221819Oh that. Sorry when all you do is lie I stop paying attention :Dvsync was BUILT to try and solve that issue, stupid.
>>739219864>>739219928
>>739221832If the new steam machine won't cost at least $1200 I'll eat my hat and then my shoes as after-dinner.
>>739220386>its 60fps at 1080pwelcome to 2008
>>739221219Still have no clue what it is. Then, even if I had any clue what it was, I would still need to have a mental database of previous CUs so I could know where 28 stands in comparison to other products. This is something I will certainly not waste time on. Not to imply I was going to purchase that expensive Shit Machine in the first place.
>>739221868And VRR is far superior to it. You quite literally never need to use vsync anymore. Just cap the framerate to your choice. Its dogshit and outdated while adding input lag on top of it. Again, retarded.
>>739221963>shill tries to post >>739219893 againohhhhh no!>>739221986>REEEEEE GIVE ME ALL THE SHINY NEW STUFFoh look, the retarded baby came full circle lmao
>>739221975>I'm violently ignorant >its everyone else's fault though Commit suicide immediately
>>739221917>12GBAnon...
>>739221917>whores complaining about 3060>mfw stuck on 1660 ti MaxQ>can still play all my vidya just fine
>>739222005VRR has been a thing for over 12 years. Guessing by the way that you type, its older than you are.
>>739222061AHAH!You only whined about VRR because you wanted hdmi 2.1.HDMI 2.1 only become common in 2022 :DYou are seething over a feature that has only BEEN AVAILABLE for 4 years, while crying about the invention date before anyone was using it :Dreeeeeetard got cauuuuuuught
>>739222180>gsync isn't vrrRetard.
>>739222251>a NEW hallucination is bornREEETARRD GOT CAUUUUGHT!
>>739222275>admits defeatI accept your concession
>>739222301reeeeetaaard got cauuughtyou lied, you criedbut the truth couldn't be deniedreeeetaard got cauuuught
I'll buy it for $499.99 tops.
>>739222330The xbox one had vrr, and AMD freesync support back in 2018. 8 fucking years ago.THE XBOX ONE.
>>739217143>4 less cores and weaker than an intel i5 14400f, only costs 20 dollars lesswhy does anyone by amd cpus
>>739222412>"but these things had these special features"and there were ZERO TV's with hdmi 2.1, in 2018 reeeeeetard :Dreeeeetaaard got cauuuuuught
>>739217143Disingenuous anon>5060 GPU which is stronger than the Steam GPU>AMD 8000 series compared to the gimped 7600 from the Steam Machine>HP prebuilt
>>739222486HDMI 2.1 came out in 2017 and the first TV's/monitors that supported it came out in 2018. Why lie?
>>739222552The mobile RX 7600 is the GPU in the Steam Machine, only difference is power limit and boost clocks being tweaked.That CPU, the 8400F, is a binned APU with IGP fused off that is almost 100% the exact processor used in the Steam Machine as well, although clocks will probably be lowered to fit Valve's low power envelope.
>>739218792>>739217143>>739219818>>739221191Cool thanks that is totally a 6 in by 6 in cube that will fit under the shelf on the TV stand in my living room that my wife will enjoy having out there.
>>739222654I'm sorry you give your wife literal shit as gifts
>>739222638lying reeeetard is wrong again :Dreeeeetaaaaard got cauuuuuuughtreeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaard got caaaaaaaauuuuuuught
>>739222706>I'm sorry you give your wife literal shit as giftsActual retard. It's for me. You will understand that you can't have an RBG gaming tower in the living room when you are a little older.
>>739222641The RX7600 is outclassed by the 5060 in that pic.That alone makes the comparison stupid.
>>7392226546 by 6 by 6 BLACK CUBE, Saturn's CubeIf you buy that shit, you're letting Jewish magic get into your home
>>739222712Oh no, I was a year off. Also right in that paragraph below it>Samsung released updates to support the features in 2018Wow. What a gotcha. I can't believe the difference between 8 fucking years its been avaliable or for 7.Retard
>>739222841I have automated penny turrets on my roof, they will never get past them
>>739222895reeeeetaaaaard cant reeeeeeeadtvs that supported it weren't commmmmmonreeeeetaaaaard got caaaaaaaaaught
>>739222803I can do whatever the fuck I want in the house I own and have paid off. Go back to the cuck shed.
>>739217143>Anon using an HP prebuilt (that clearly has better specs) to justify the Steam Cube.Pathetic.
Kiss already, you lovebirds.
>>739222953>I can do whatever the fuck I want in the house I own and have paid offLOL sure thing, kid.
>>739222990the lying retard that got caught would never.he might get cooties
>>739222939See>>739222638>the first TVs monitors that supported itNowhere did I say common.The Xbox One supported it before there were any. The "budget" box can't even if it's "common" now lmfao. Real top of the line, shiny stuff feature.
>>739223009LOL, seethe nigger. Go ask your wife if you're allowed to respond to this post.
>>739222975Even if you're not a lazy retard, prebuilts can have way cheaper parts than self-builds these days.Usually this is at the obvious expense of having a huge and ugly machine with shit build quality. The Steam Machine will presumably rectify that.
>>739223081>reeeetaaaard is moooooviiiiiiing the goooooooalpoooooosts>>739222061>>739219631>WAH IM A LYING RETARD THAT NEEDS MY SHINY 2.1!!!!!!!>WAH>EVERYTHING IS SHIT WITHOUT MAH SHINNNNNY WAH>>739222061>WAHHHHHHH MAH SHINY ISNT SHINY IT WAS INVENTED 12 YEARS AGO WAHHHHHHHHHHH>fastforward to now>WAH I NEED MAH SHINIES WAHSTOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS COMMON I WANT MAH SHINIES WAHretard got cauuuuught :D
>>739223268VRR was quite literally invented over 12 years ago. Gsync and Freesync are VRR. Do you think the VRR is a "name". Its a fucking technology, and they all do the same thing.
no 2.1? Yikes.
>>739223338>WAHHHH IM A LYING RETARD AND LOST MAH MEMORY WAHHHHHHHreeeetaaaaard got cauuuuughtalready coooooveeeeered :DTVs for it werent COOOOOOMMMMMMON :D>WAHHH MAH SHINIEES GIBS SHINY WWAHHHHHHHHHretardgotcaught
>>739223395Nobody said common, only you. Quote where I did. The Xbox One supported it, shitbox can't. Sorry your feelings are hurt.
>>739223449>WAH MAH BUDGET BOX NEEDS MAH SHINIES WAHHHHHHH>STOP TALKING ABOUT COMMON STUFF IT NEEDS MAH SHINIES WAHHHHHHHHH
next thread people are gonna seethe at valve not cramming a 5090 into the steam machine or something
>>739223487>no argument>can't even quote something I never saidOver a decade old technology, and over a 6 year old standard format is shiny.I accept the concession.
>>739222975It is just the fanatic and retarded side of the Steamfags not knowing how the PC market works.Must be a day ending in Y. I bet they would buy an expensive Razer laptop while thinking that they can compete in power with a PC that had a similar price.
>>739223584WAHHHHHHHHHHH HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF ME FOR BEING A RETARD THAT CAUUUUGHT>WAH TAKE ME SERIOUSLY>WAH MAH SHINIES WAHHHHHHHH
>>739223642awww. got too silly and messed up the first line.now the shiny retard is gonna think I am retarded or something :(
>>739217143>5060this is double the power of a goycubetake out the gpu entirely and run off integrated graphics and it may be comparable
>>739223584that format only became widely accepted in 2022 dude.4 years agonice job getting into a useless slap fight with an autist over nothing
>>739216663Zen 4 has double the L2 and L3 cache of Zen 2, single threaded IPC is so high that you don't need the extra cores
>>739218482>RDNA 4 is Weaker than RDNA 2 nowDon't you have a movie game to watch?
>>739219861I'm sure this will give games to your shitty no games snoy console, especially after the ceo mind raped you
>>739219861im convinced that 90% of that is just bots running VMs configured to be worse than a base ps5
Some of yall have no idea how hardware works and think bigger number automatically means better
>>739224314Steamies have worked themselves into a corner. They've spent years shit talking the godstation 5, pretending they have all the latest gear blah blah blah. Except now the gaycube is coming out and they are trying to hype it up, except it's at best on par with a ps5 - the same device they've been shit talking!
>>739224698Except it's a mid-range PC that costs less than a moviestation5, you can get a stronger PC if you want.
>>739216663Can this play Cyberpunk and MGS Delta?
>>739224989We will have to see about the price, good sir!
>>739216663>6 cores>mobile chipHow is this bad?
>>739216663lol>>739217143lmaoWhy are valve dr0nes so fucking delusional
Wtf is happening in this thread?
>>739224989>Except it's a mid-range PC that costs less than a moviestation5,What's the price?
>>739218903>Both PS5 and Steam Machine have 16GB of RAMThe PS5 has 16GB total split between system RAM and VRAM, right? So the SM is actually better since it has 16GB of RAM + 8GB of VRAM?
>>739224698>except it's at best on par with a ps5Even a PC with identical specs is much better since you actually own it and the games on it. On console you're a slave.
>>739216663>console architecture designed after MeccaBros...
>>739216663>16gb ram>8gb vram
>>7392166632020 budget pc coming in hot
>>739216663could be worse i got sold a lemon pc with 1660 super and a 4 core 4 thread cpueven when it worked it was dogshitsucks going from ryzen 1700 gtx 1070 to thatnow i have only a 750m gaming pcthe 1660 super is shadowbanned only game thats playable is osrs and yunyun syndrome everything else is instantly shut down by copilotim so tired of lawfare hopefully when i finish probation it will stop but knowing a child molesting non omnipotent rat God is i doubt it
>>739217143lol no equivalent is r7600/x or 5600x and a rx 6650 maybe worse depends on the custom gpuif its 5700 xt level im good i got a 1070 that beats that that ill hopefully be able to get fixed
>>739216663Damn, it's genuinely fucking dogshit huh
Lets storm the datacenters take what belong to ua and curb stopm the indians employees
>>7392182218 is betterif you had say ryzen 1700 2700 3700 and rx 7600 or 1080 ti you would be good at 1080p 60 for like another 6 years if you ignore crap gamesif you put on big picture style linux it would do 1080p 30 fps for even longer
>>739222654>that my wife will enjoy having out therelmao beta faggot
>>739225338Somewhere under $1000, after which it's yours to do what you want with. That's compared to a $600 PS5 + $100 yearly online sub + more expensive games + your freedom (priceless).As you can see, the Steam Machine is much cheaper in the long run.
>>739217143>sell like crazyYes, I’m sure they’ll sell through the paltry amount they make for release, hype that to hell and back, and then throw everyone else on the wait list for a year. Same thing they do with every other piece of Valve hardware.
>>739222654>being married in current year + 10Holy shit what a cuck lmao
steamie is shitting his pants and having a meltie over the steambox having inferior HDMI ports? not a good lookpersonally i'm more concerned about the reliance on frame generation, the awful gpu and the dangerously low amount of ram. steambox is for 2D indie games only confirmed?
>>739220536What awful controller? I must have missed that. As far as I remember, every controller Valve has released has been great.
>>739219818
>>739219475>My children's games!I swear Nintendo fans are mostly all pedophile losers.
>>739217143>old ass mobile "we may support it if we get bullied enough" AMD with pinky promise optimizations for the 8GB hard capThere is a reason why AMD is way cheaper.
SSD IS FUCKING EXPENSIVE NOW. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
>>739225689>That's compared to a $600 PS5But most people only pay $300-$400 for a PS5>$100 yearly online subBut most people only play multiplayer games that don't require PS+>more expensive gamesBut most people buy less expensive games through buying discs. You can already get Death Stranding 2 for $30-$40 on PS5. It's locked to $70 on PC cuz digital onlyYou just have no idea how to game on a budget.
>>739225878You are a retard then
>6 cores>8GB VRAM>16GB RAMlow tier PC in a box for $1kno thx
>>739226156That's the world we live in
Weaker than a PS5 pro award
>>739225689>somewhere under $1000Source?
LET ME FUCKING ORDER IT FUCKKKKK
PC subhumans (who very much belong in gas chambers and ovens) have been claiming again and again that this weak ass hardware will somehow kill consoles.Steam shills vastly overestimate how much people are interested in playing 1 trillion AI generated indieslop games. A single AA console exclusive is enough to absolutely destroy the entire Steam library.Watch as any hype for the Steam Machine dies soon as the PS6 is announced. PS6 can spend another whole generation with no gaems, and it'll still outsell the Steam Machine tenfold.Then, Stemies will predictably backtrack and move goalposts, falsely claiming "nobody said it would replace consoles" (fucking liars), and that "Valve is just a small indie company set up in a garage, Steam Machine is just a small niche project, pls understand".Switch outsold the Steam Deck thirtyfold, and Steam Machine will be no different. In fact, the PS5 already outsold the original Steam Machine almost two hundred times.
>>739226217lol, prebuilds are a meme, but at least this is cheaper than $1k and is actually upgradeable. Not to mention you should only buy prebuilds on Black Friday, as the price gets slashed by a few hundreds
>>739221195You're over stating vrr's effectiveness. It's on my machine and when shit goes sideways, it goes sideways. You're carrying on like it's a magic spell. Go play on your Nintendo, kid.
>>739219732It's RDNA2, they cut some features they didn't need to save costs. Xbox doesn't make use of the full feature set either
>>739226297Then build a 'cheaper' one and shut the fuck upThere are no gaming PCs you can buy for less than $1,000 USD
>>739226038IRL pedophiles actually look like this. 99.99% of PCfags are pedophiles. This is why they rushed to make Pragmata nude mods. 99.99% of CP is watched on PC, not consoles.
>>739226361bot reply
>>739216663Pcbro herestill gonna buy it
>>739217143Steamdrones buyered a worthless gamepad for $100, the box could cost $10,000 and it'd sell out in a minute
>>739222654You do not want to plug that shit into your TV anyways everything will look like ASS rendered at 360p upscaled to 4k.Console games like Forza Horizon 6 already look bad and run at 30FPS imagine poorly optimized PC slop.
>>739226108That's actually you. Valve's controllers require some basic level of IQ to use and you can't just hand one to any retard like an xslop controller. Anyone who isn't immediately captivated by the potential of trackpads and Steam input will sadly never get it.
>>739216663Why would I care about core count and not clock speed, when most PC games can barely optimize the game to run on 2 cores, let alone take advantage of all of them.
>>739216663Hey i have something similar at home. It's called "laptop" and I plug I to the screen to play games.
>>739216663never seen a game using more than 2 cores (and usually it's a disaster). CPU are never bottlenecks.
>>739226378Sure but Nintendo fans go to children's conventions dressed up as furry animals. That's way worse than some shut-in pizza hog exercising his constitutional right to jerking it to pictures of Gabe during his fat phase.
Im thinking $1200+tip
>>739226104>But most people only pay $300-$400 for a PS5Everyone pays their freedom for a PS5 or any other console. I'm sorry you value yours so low.>But most people only play multiplayer games that don't require PS+ That's just f2p games. Plenty of games still need the subscription. And you still need to pay that for cloud saves.>But most people buy less expensive games through buying discsDiscs will never be as cheap as keysites, let alone piracy. Not to mention that physical is well on its way to the grave and the newer models don't even have disc drives.>You just have no idea how to game on a budgetThat's you if you think a console is somehow cheaper than a PC made from salvaged parts and pirating every game.>>739226259>Source?None since it's not annpunced yet, but that's the most likely price range right now. Wouldn't really change much if it was more expensive anyway since it will still be cheaper than a PS5.
Nah, I'm good. If I want to play on the TV I just turn on sunshine+moonlight and stream over local wifi.I do need to get some sort of bluetooth extender though, been using my phone to stream inputs and it kinda sucks.
>>739222654Fucking brainlet faggotsBuy the shit you want, retard, just don't cry when you have no money and another guy got the same shit you have for half the price
>>739220131>People lost their shit about the $599 launch PS3In all fairness, that was also back in the 2000s, and the launch version came with it's own host of problems, namely the dogshit lineup on launch, hence where the "no games" meme came from.
>>739216663What an absolute piece of shit.I genuinely don't know who the fuck would buy this shit >>739216979I use local AI beside gaming, it's never enough
>the compact hard to fix and replace parts design of a laptop without the functionality of the laptopWow, it's like the worst of both worlds
>>739216663>6 core/12 thread CPUIt's alright, should be able to work fine for most things, what's really going to matter is the price.If it's sub 1k, it's a decent deal, otherwise it's genuinely not worth it.Not that I plan to get one, I already have multiple desktops and severs because I have the computertism.
>>739218903Shut up nerd, Steambox is shit okay?
>deck flopped>controller flopped>machine looks like it's going to flopIs this the end of Valve?
>>739216663>no new NuValve game to launch with it>steam shovelware tranny games store>nearly a thousand dollarsLmao
>>739226291>1 trillion AI generated indieslop gamesYou don't have to play those if you don't want. That's the great part, that you have a choice instead of sony telling you that you're not even allowed to look at those games. Sonys systems also filter plenty of great indie games.>A single AA console exclusiveSuch as? Name one.>PS6 can spend another whole generation with no gaems, and it'll still outsell the Steam Machine tenfold. Yeah obviously. Normalcattle are retarded. That's not exactly putting you in a good light if you're defending a product designed for retards.
>>739216663The 2013 desktop I picked out of the trash has around the same specs.
>>739227380Half-Life 3 and Deadlock
>>739225348Depends on the game. Usually they hit your VRAM more than RAM, so a PS5 dev could budget more than 8gb towards the GPU end, while the GabeCube can't.
>>739223349I'm pretty sure it has 2.1 in all ways except 1 or 2 meme features no one uses because the HDMI forum are a bunch of kikes who won't allow an open source driver for 2.1.It supports the bandwidth of 2.1 which is the only thing that really matters anyway.
>>739225671I don't think you know computers very well.
>>739216979Well I have more and paid less for it
>>739227439Deadcock is dead already lol
shit dont matter when people will still buy it lmao
>>739216663What's a core?
>>739227631Nobody asked about your impotence
>>739227631Cry more, bitch
>>739219475It's sold out everywhere.
>>739224562Does the steam survey refresh? Or is it still including my pcs from almost 15 years ago?
I want one because it looks aesthetically pleasing unlike my ugly PC which I'm gonna sell because its ugly
>>739216663my 6 core CPU rarely gets over 30% in games... I downvlocked it for temps too.
IT. IS. OUR. TIME.
>>739216663>SteamOSNo, thanks
>>739228328you can always install something else, cachyos handheld is pretty similar to steamos but its not immutable and it has some tweaks and optimizations by default. or just install windows if you really want
>>739228298TO. DAI.
>>739228412Valve has been releasing steam deck oled drivers for two fucking years.
>>739219631Doesn't matter, that's old news. 2.1 support is guaranteed.
>>739228170or just get a case you like?
>>739219862>HDMI 2.1 isnt supported for AMD gpus on linuxWhy linux users defend this?
>>739224989>mid-range PCIt's the low end of last generation.When RDNA 5 launches it will be the low end of two generations ago.North Koreans have better gaming PCs than this
>>739216663Perfect for JRPGs
I'm getting one, for my big TV gaming:)
Specs are not great for what will be at least 900 US dollaThen again I'm looking at my current build and what I spent for it:Big bulky lian li case: 80€850W modular PSU with weird layout: 120€AIO: 100€DDR4 32GB RAM: 160€ back in the dayMobo: 120€5900x: 290€2TB NVMe: 160€9070xt: 660€That's considering low RAM, CPU and NVMe (and even GPU, that model now costs +150€ in the same place I bought it) prices.So I'm not saying it's a good deal but you have to be essentially cutting costs with shit like the PSU (which is never a good idea) and to top it off this is like a miniITX build, those are usually pricier just because of the format factor.Now that Valve is fiddling with ARM maybe in the future they'll release a Steam machine V2 which is ARM only, smaller, more efficient. Less compatible. Their version of the fucking mac mini but with a different fucking logo and unfortunately more locked down.
>>739216663Is ddr5 16gb enough?
>>739229630you mean the shit that costs 2k?
>>739216663>8GB ramAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHhHhhH
>>739228127The "surveys" are consistent. You can literally see that no one used windows 7 anymore in the OS section. So no it does not include your pcs from 15 years ago.
>>739229664you cannot read
>>739216663I would be fine if it was just a simple machine with some exclusives and physical media but noooooo.
>>739229628For web browser, yeah
>>739228785AMD can't implement it. Not for technical or budgetary reasons, the HDMI Forum literally will not allow them to ship drivers that support it because AMD's official software stack for Linux is free and open source. Instead you get the important features with workarounds.It's worth noting that DP has none of these issues and works perfectly fine.
>>739228785license kikes hate open source
>>739216663This will never take off, only the Steam Deck, Steam Controller 2 and Steam Frame VR will be successful. Overcharging the goy for shit hardware is gonna bite them in the ass so hard.
>>739229736How is 8GB VRAM good in this day and age?I've got 24GB VRAM
>>739229929>Overcharging the goy for shit hardwarenigger you don't even know the price what are you even talking aboutand you should try to look at computer part prices nowadays you faggot
>>739229856Yea on winblows hogging your RAM.
There's mountains of game performance tests for CPUs that show core count barely matters compared to core performance. Any modern 6 core runs circles around 8 core CPUs from the past
>>739229974I've got 0 vrambet I play more games than you
Unreal 6 is going to literally cook this cube to the cinders
>>739229974If its not a Unreal engine game.Barely lol
>>739227312it's still shit specs, just not absolute trash like the ps5. there are already games that require 32GB of RAM and a 4060 level GPU is everything but "future-proof".
If it over 600 euros people arent buying it. People who can afford a pc at the price range of a thousand euros will just buy a better PC.t. people mind expert
I'm getting it day 1 because I'm not poor
>>739218221>>739217143>>739216979>>739216663Im using a i3 10100f, 32gb ram, rx6600, and worse yet it's a windows. i can run most of the games at medium or low around 60+ fps @ 1440 native. Its already twice better than console shitbox. Not to mention complete backward compatible to most older pre win7 games i do play back while new consoles doesn't supports older console games.
>>739230052>games that require 32GB of RAM and a 4060 level GPUDon't know what game that is but i think i can bet my left testicle its some AAA slop
>>739229857AMD has already implemented HDMI 2.1 in their latest drivers you are a little late, they've been working on it for awhilehttps://www.phoronix.com/news/HDMI-2.1-DSC-AMDGPU-FRL
>>739229974Because it's on SteamOS.
>>739229660A bit cheaper than that but point taken. Then I say go with the Max+ 388 that has the exact same iGPU but has less CPU cores (8, which is still more than whatever's in the Machine).The other advantage would be that the integrated GPU would free up a ton of extra space for better thermals.Unless Gabe got a really good deal from AMD and the Machine sells for about $800 I really don't think it'll be worth it.
>>739229628It's fine, PS5 and xbox both use 16GB.Ideal would probably be 24 or 32 but the OS is going to be lightweight, even then 24~32 is more future proofing I've no doubt the PS6 and next Xbox will be hitting 24~32 but we won't see that being an issue for another 3~5 years when PS5 is no longer supported.I really want to stress, 16GB is 'enough' in the same sense that rocking up to work 3 minutes before your shift starts is enough its not really ideal and leaves little wiggle room but you're fine.
>>739222939>>739223268>>739223395>>739223487>>739223642linux troon having a melty bc his ego got hurt lmao. pathetic.
>>739230178It's the game devs fault for not optimizing the games to mass spec, also devs fault for thinking streamers voice and specs matters. No buy, no money, no more company, GG easy peasy.
>>739219978>peakmore like dark agesthere's a total of two decent games in that entire list, and a whole slew of awful sequels that nobody likeddid you forget how much everyone made fun of ps3 for having no games?2006 - 2016 was by far the worst decade in gaming
>ITT People think having to have more than 16G of VRAM and 32RAM is totally normal and not some unoptimized slop by the devs
>>739229974It's about the equivalent of having 10gb of vram, the latest vram optimization just moves background tasks allocated vram usage into system ram. KDE's desktop environment would use like up to 2gb of vram as an example so now that goes to system ram. before if 2gb was being used by the DE and other tasks then you used 7gb of vram for the game then 1gb of that game vram would have been offloaded to the systems ram which is much slower and causes major stutters and performance lossits why the vram optimizations have 0 impact on steam decks because the system ram is the same speed as the vram so any excess vram usage on the steam deck would just go to system ram anyway which is the same speed because vram on the deck is just allocated system ram. it also didn't effect high vram GPUs because they had vram to spare
Valve shoud think this, it doesn't make sense to a launch this at the end of a generation of consoles, in a few years it will be totally obsolete.
>>739219978>00'sListen here you young rascal i tell you what, YOU wished you gamed in the 90s if you think 00's where great.
>>739216663I'm tech literate so I'm wondering is the Cube an upgrade if I'm rockingAMD 3700X 8 coreGeForce GTX 107016 GB RAM9GB Storage All of which I bought for 800$ years ago
>>739230824It's an upgrade, but at the potential price of a Steam Machine, you're better off just upgrading your GPU instead if your PSU can handle a newer one.
>>739230824>9GB StorageYou what mate?
>>739230890Got it, ill look more into the cost of a card when the official price drops. Thanks>>739230919Meant to type 900GB
Actual news?Steam OS beta been getting a fuckload of "Machine" related updates instead of frame updatesUS shipments are coming in steadily every week pretty much, they're probably at 50k~ machines nowEU shipments are privateSo are AU shipments and they have a warehouse in NSWLaunch soon?
>>739230975>900gbWell that's not much. Are you even on an SSD? Also what's your DDR level for your RAM?
>>739216663I have a laptop that I bought last year for 400 bucks that has better specs.
>>739231358No you don't. Laptop parts might have the same names as desktop parts, but they're much weaker.
>>739222654>marriage>2026
>>739216663those specs suckyou can't even browse the internet on 16GB of DDR5
>>739222654>under the shelf on the TV standdon't do that, you'll nuke the airflow
>>739231383so if I have 16bg ram in my laptop it's not actually 16gb ram? tell me more super computer genius
>>739216663Valve shills will defend this
>>739231559grim dawn.jpg
>>739216663so is this thing going to be an actual console or is it just gonna be another mini pc running a linux distro? i dont really see the point unless they can sell it for like $600 but that's probably not gonna happen it'll probably be expensive as fuck.
>>739231615>just gonna be another mini pc running a linux distro
>>739219978Lmao What a dogshit year, but ofc retarded zoomer like you wouldnt know any better
>>739228298I am seriously excited to see what they come up with
>>739221505>PLUS the manufacturer warranty>ibuypower warrantyliterally useless
>>739231313Its a minibuild and I got that wrong its a 1TB SSD but for some reason shows up as 900GB on the about page.The Ram is 2133 MHz for Speed and DDR is DDR4
>>739223009What a fucking cuck do you have to be to have your wife dictates what to do in the house?I occasionally move my full tower to the living room and she doesn't care.
>>739231827You are limited in many ways, but the good news at least is that you are able to upgrade a lot without getting a new mobo. You're on AMD4, so you can get 5000 series CPUs with 3D v-cache. Obviously GPUs are just plug and play. Your RAM is slow and good use an upgrade in speed (and capacity while you're at it), but RAM costs a lot nowadays. Just make sure your PSU has enough wattage for whatever your new GPU/CPU is.
>>739220171Finally, THE ORANGE BOX
>>739232168Got it, ill check into those tomorrow.You have a good night.
>>739216663tech illiterate thread. don't talk about computers, ever.
Multicore performance is irrelevant for games. Very few games are bottlenecked by CPU regardless.
>>739216663>HDMI 2.0... why not 2.1?
>>739232280It's cheaper
>>739216979OP isnt aware of windows bloat, clearly>I need at LEAST 12gb of VRAM for my games!>swap from windows to linux>oh, never mind
>>739232168>so you can get 5000 series CPUs with 3D v-cacheanon...
>>739232280Couldn't officially run on Linux until last week.
>>739216663>8gb VRAM>Zen 4 Okay so probably a 7500f lmao>16gb DDR5 ramUseless once ram prices keep coming down in the next few months>512gb main driveThis is just cheap
>>739216979theres actually an argument for this working in our favour anyway>gabecube does well with consolefags>massive market share gains>steams new store update goes live on the main branch>users able to show specs and in-game framerates>users able to see dogshit optimisation before purchase>neggy reviews and lack of sales drive the indian programmers to actually do their jobs and optimise the game to make money again>games improveI for one, thank poor people for helping make games great again
Repeat after me valve drones:"It is okay when Valve does it"
Will never stop being funny seeing /v/ trying to convince you so hard that an item that is constantly sold out of stock somehow "sold badly"
>>739232350Don't anon me! AMD is rumored to be re-releasing the 5800x3D soon. It's the hands down best CPU for gaming on AM4 socket mobos and still competitive with current top of the line CPUs for said use case.
>>739232532>sold badlyHere is your steam deck
>>739232280Patent problems, the HDMI forum only allowed AMD to actually merge their 2.1 functionality into the linux kernel like last week, and even now they've only got FRL in, the rest of it is still incoming.
>>739232280looneexHDMI is not an open standard, you should be using DisplayPort regardless.
>>739232365>>739232717>jewish reasonsah. Well I learned today.>>739232750>you should be using DisplayPort regardless.I actually already do myself, have done ever since DP beat HDMI back years ago.but the gabecube is something more for muh wife and her tv only has HDMI, its just more common.
>>739232551The 7600 is better and am4 has no upgrade path at all. It will be irrelevant in 2 years at best.
>>739222654you are talking to 15 year olds from the third world dude
>>739222929well, apparently they found a wayremember, evil cannot enter your home unless you invite it
>>739232821If you're on 3000 series, then going to a 5800x3D without a mobo change provides a better increase in average FPS for the price than getting a new mobo and DDR5 ram for the 7600.
>>739232873>evil cannot enter your home unless you invite itTell that to fucking home intruders.
>>739216663im due for an upgrade and since I move a lot this will actually be lovely
>>739232790>her tv only has HDMIAlso jewish tricks, don't look at the companies that founded and make up the HDMI forum
>>739216663this isn't aimed at pc gamers, it's aimed at console players
Only thing that'd save the Gabe Cube is if FSR4 works on it without murdering the framerate, because FUCK FSR3.
>does high 50s on 4k with forza 6>without fsr4why would i get a ps5 or xbox?
>>739232946>its literally always the jewshow did they manage to do it? theyre everywhere, anywhere.Hitler didnt warn us enough.
>>739233012Why would you run balanced FSR 4K when you could just do 1440p native instead?
>>739232551>AMD is rumored to be re-releasing the 5800x3D soon
>>739233012>does high 50s on 4k with forza 6>without fsr4so if you dont give a fuck about 4K, and just play at 1440p like a normal person, its literally just amazingif you do care about 4k you can just fake frame the last 10.windows bloat is fucking real.
>>739220983I just bought a 7800X3D with 32 GB DDR5 a week ago and that alone set me back $850 WITH sales. A case, a fan, and a new PSU set me back another $250ish. If I were to buy a GPU (I didn't need to) that would have at bare minimum set me back another $450-$650 just to upgrade from a 3070, and if I wanted a 2TB NVME that would have been a bare minimum $300. The market is pure ass right now.
>>739233153Oh, and the mobo was $200, can't forget that.
>>739233137Yeah. https://youtu.be/FFqsbiS9nxY?t=1174
>>739232589Steam deck is of 22.2% of 4.5% of Linux users, 1% of steam users An impressive result for a device that wasn't mass produced like cuckboxesYou apes are genuinely too stupid to have access to numbers
>>739233202>>739233137>5800x3d coming back with a pricebump>nvidia releasing their 3000 line cards again>with a pricebumpi hate <<them>>
>>739233052Unironically its the result of a heavy focus on education during the middle ages they could finance with their moneylending combined with a deeply insular culture that prevented them from being wiped out via integration.During industrialization it let their educated safely spread into the middle class of whatever nation they were living in and subsidized the blue collar members to join them in their ethnic enclaves and from there let them use that cultural support base to work their way up to becoming major business owners and academic leaders.Someone else can always do the hard labor, teach your communities kids to read instead.
>>739232790Well you don't have to care about that anymore. You don't even have a 4k 120 FPS HDR TV, and HDMI 2.1 support is also in Linux now.
>>739216663Zen 4 is like twice as powerful as Zen 2.
>>739216663>PC with mid tier specs even for a 2018 PC>will likely be $1K+nigger, no. sell the hardware at a loss or this is dead in the water. also restock the fucking steam deck, i want an OLED version so i can give the LCD to my little bro
>>739216663Yet another L for the troonix sisters, kek
>>739217143Relative price is not the only metric here. Sure, the Steam Machine might be ‘a bargain’ compared to other PCs but that’ll still price out a lot of potential buyers at 1000.
>>739222654Say hi to your wife’s bull for me.
>>739233153On the upside, that 7800X3D will last you a long fucking time for future upgrades. I paired a 5070TI with mine (upgraded from a 2070 Super), and the GPU is bottlenecked well before the CPU is.
>>739233548I was considering going for the 9800 since it wasn't that much more but people talked me down from it. I'm already seeing its benefits in general, my 3070 is the bottleneck on a lot of things now.
>>739216663There's no way this is 1000 bucks. 1200-1300 is my guess
>>739233582Only benefit I'd see out of a 9800X3D is just higher OC potential (I can boost to 5ghz fine with this ridiculous NH-D15 though), but it wouldn't fix the issue of being GPU bottlenecked.I'd rather just wait and see if the X3D2 shit goes anywhere in the near future on the next gen Ryzens.
>>739217143comparing it to desktops is fucking retarded, those are more expensive due to all the modularity, redundancy and the hardware being subject to market speculationhere are some chink mini pcs that are equal to the steam machine in everything but they don't have a gpu$400 and they still make a profit on them, pay for a windows licence and give amazon a cut the gpu and controller aren't going to double the price
>>739217143>If Valve can keep the price under $1000, it's going to sell like crazy.I believe when I see it in stores like Best Buy, Costco, or Walmart
>>739220070>what is gamescope?>what is wayland? >what is a virtual container? why is everyone so far behind in tech? The display cobfiguration literally does not matter. Make a system for 1080p gaming, upres to 4k at fullscreen with multi-monitor VRR support and user choice of vsync.The Steam machine is just a pre-packaged deal of what the industry has been building for the past decade. Sadly it's the first major company in this field to do it because everyone else sucks Microsoft cock
>>739233774>here are some chink mini pcsNow Google up how many of them die after a couple years due to cheap parts.
>>739233685>5GHzKinda low, bro.
>>739233938what cheap parts?they don't make the cpu, the ram or the ssd and that's 90% of the price
>>739233891VRR support on HDMI has nothing to do with the display server or compositor of choiceIt doesn't matter because it's an eventuality, HDMI 2.1 will be fully supported, but you're not understanding physical limitations here
>>739230178PS6 will hit 30GB, Xbox Helix is 48GB because unoptimized as hell Windows 11.
Sorry bud butZen 4 6 core>>>>zen 2 8 core
>>739233296It's mostly Holocaust that gave them power. Before that they would get kicked out if they started misbehaving.
>>739234206its going to fucking mog the PS5 holy shit
>>739217143>Here's a desktop equivalent of the Steam Machine.why you lying lmfao
>>739220983from fucking where?
>>739217143>$1800+ inflation dollars in 2026 gets you 16GB of RAM, a 5060 GPU, and 1TB of storage in a hotxbox case>not even a top of the line CPUIt looks nice, I guess.But man that's grim.
>>739234402you're supposed to build your shit and not pay the retard tax
>>739234402SSD fucking double with last half a year. I'm not sure whether to buy or not. I kinda need it.
>all these retards think the steam machine is equal to a 5060
>>739234826read and weep: >>739234315>>739234315>>739234315
>>739234826GPU is clearly the worst part of that system.It's going to be slower than RX 7600, so potato-tier.If not for the upcoming FSR4 support it would be DOA.
>>739234970>>739235002i just googled it multiple sources are saying 3060 lmfao you retards
>>739216663Yes, and? The Ryzen 5 3600 is faster than the PS5 CPU and that's a 2019 midrange CPU.
>>739234970>>739235227and i checked the nvidia equivalent for that ryzen and it says 3060 mobile so its less powerful than a desktop variant
>>739235227>I CHOSE TO BELIVE THE PEOPLE THAT I AGREE WITHstrong and brave!
>>739235334>>739235360
>>739233973I wouldn't mind more, but again, all of my workloads, both gaming and productivity, are currently bottlenecked by the GPU.
>>739235227You are shit at looking things up then.Gaybe Box GPU has 28CU vs 32CU on 7600, TDP will also be lower. DLSS also scales much better than FSR4 on RDNA3 and you need to use upscaling because it's a fucking slow GPU. Also only 8GB of VRAM but that is lesser issue on linux.
>>739220131>paid online shit.This is ironically the most value of a console. Something that is well worth the money as it gatekeeps poorfag shitter cheaters like you.Its the reason console games are not full of jeets, chinks, russians and bots, unlike PC games.
>>739235540the floor for it is literally a 3060, in reality it'll be faster since it'll clock higher
>>739216663512GB can barely fit in two games.
>>739231861I know plenty of guys like him, they're the bread winners and yet the woman dictates everything at home and won't let them even have an in desk like link related https://lian-li.com/product-category/desks/ because they are fucking whipped. Even if the desk conceals the parts and you can just not buy rgb stuff (or turn the rgb off) they'll bitch that having a keyboard + mouse + a screen would ruin the aesthetics of the absolutely dogshit looking room that they decorated themselves (which explains why it looks bad).It's especially prominent in asian couples where husbands are turbocucked.
>>739216663Zen 4 with 6 cores like 7600X?I have 9600X and its performance is not much higher than 7600X just runs much cooler and can over OC’ed much more aggressively, honestly it’s not a big deal for most games 6 cores are enough even cup heavy ones
>>739235540its a 3060
>>739216663Most games run on one or two cores, they aren't big on parallel processing, what matters is the clock speed.
>>739235642It's not like it would run AAAAAA slop
>>739235642It'll be an indie metroidvania machine.
>>739216663>all that hardware for games you'll never own and require constant online-play so Gabe can constantly data-farm youPASS.
>>739235792>Gabe can constantly data-farm youbut that's not steam doing ithow many years were you held back at school?
>>739235792Most of these sound like your typical early access EULA to cover updating an incomplete product. The license thing goes for all games, but we've been over this in countless threads.
>>739216663>It should have a hundred cores! And a gorillion RAM!
>>739235792Gabe unironically asks you if he can farm your data and you can say no, your phone and your internet provider doesn't
>>7392357197600 is on par with 3060 in many titles, but you have to cut around 15% from that because GPU in Steam machine will be slower than that. Also this box is designed to be used with a TV so 4K output. FSR3 is unusable, FSR4 has a performance hit but you will have to use them even at 1080p output.It will struggle a lot with modern games.After all 3060 and 7600 are garbage, I know some people have no standards but c'mon.
>>739233526I'm not The Quartering.
>>739236030i know im just saying its a 3060 when people in this thread think its a desktop 5060 when its not, its like steamfags are looking to make up lies for the overprice shitbox gabe is going to price it at
>>7392355055GHz will actually bottleneck gaming plenty of times. There is no shortage of games that rely a lot on single core performance. More cores hardly helps.
>>739236126All good Anon./v/ is full of brand cultists.
Sitting 6-8 ft away from my 55” 4K 60Hz TV, I can’t really tell the difference between native and upscaled 4K, I’m using a 9070XT on CachyOS, 60Hz with vsync feels comfy and I can focus on immersing in my gamesif the gabebox can deliver something similar to this without hassle for normal consumers, I think that’s a win
We used to have MXM video cards for laptops/small PCs, but I guess asking for upgradeability these days is unreasonable.The 6-core Zen4 CPU will be fine for a long time, but the RX 7600M GPU is outdated even before release.
>>739236126you retards still think it's going to be overpriced based on desktop comparisons while mini pcs minus the gpu cost $400
>>7392166636 cores of Zen4 vs. 8 cores of cut down Zen2 (PS5) or 8 cores of real Zen2 but it's on Windows (Xbox)
>>739237013>you retards still think it's going to be overpriced based on desktop comparisons while mini pcs minus the gpu cost $400i bet you gabe will make it $1000 with 1TB SSD and controller because he is a greedy fat fuck
>>739216663Corelets from 2016 lmao
>>739217143Are you stupid? This pc is 50% stronger than ultra weak steam machine
>>739237146valve is not apple or microsoftthe deck oled was a better value proposition than xbox ally
>>739234826It won't even reach power of Rx 5700 xt or RTX 3060 which is just hillarious. Steamies love to feel scammed
>>739237312but it will, see >>739235615
>>739237239It has garbage value when compared to second hand asus rog z1 extreme
>>739236973MXM was a meme, prices of those modules were simply too high due to low production volume.There are still some on the market, mostly Quadro.Framework laptops have their own standard but prices are also exorbitant.
>>739237361>second hand>no oled>no trackpads
>>739237239>valve is not apple or microsoft
>>739217206I need a pc for the living room
>>739237361Everything is a shit value when compared to second hand. Specially if it's broken "for parts" second hand and you have the skill required to solder tiny components on the broken board to fix it.
>>739237398It's really not a meme as the technology itself works as intended, I've upgraded laptop GPUs.But yes, it was expensive because it was niche, it was niche because most consumers don't care about upgradeability.
>>739237421correct, proton is free for every linux usermicrosoft used directx to maintain their monopolyapple's shit is a complete locked up toybox
>custom amd gpu/cpuLiterally DOA its going to run like ass with driver issues up the ass.
>>739216663>512GBwhat is this, a storage for ants?
>>739237682amd linux drivers are the best in the industry, nvindian
>>739237706Apple still sells new MacBooks and Mac minis with 256GB storage anon
>>739216979Let's be real, 90% of gaymers don't need more, hell, if the 8 core x3d cpus are the best, why wouldn't a 6 core cpu suffice?
>>739216979Let me guess. It won't run Crapcom's Monster Hunter Wilds 200fps smooth skin without meme Frame Gen shit? HAHAHA
>>739226001I got terrified when I saw $450 for that lol things are way too expensive now
>>739237753It's soldered onto the motherboard as well :^)It's often the first thing that dies on those machines.Apple knows how to fuck over their customers.
>>739237781My 5600x is still going fine right now. When I finally get the money up together to upgrade, I'm hoping to get a next gen AMD x3d chip.I think Steam runs the 'nintendo risk,' where the hardware is not powerful enough for its time period and gets rapidly outpaced when new consoles drop.
>>739237331You know it's bs as both rops and clocks will be lower as it's a shitty mobile chip
>>739231647?
>>739237746Cope
>>7392166636 cores is fine for games. i run a 5080 with a 7500f, every game including the latest soulless car game runs over 200fps at max settings.
>>739237417Don't give a fuck about OLED and track were pure cancer. Besides deck OLED is 2x as expensive with our getting a better apu. It's a joke in 2026 way too underpowered.
>>739237947Not him, I've upgraded from 5600 to 7800X3D right before the RAMpocalypse. Nice upgrade for emulation and autism sims.But games with terrible CPU stutters still stutter, just slightly less.
>>739226001So xbox gaming pass is $712 for 3 months now
>>739237935>puts 24V line next to SSD data lineNothing personnel kid.
>>739237548Second hand deck is still worse value than z1 extreme you know. An you would need to learn service yourself as most handhelds have just 2 year warranty and it's unlikely it will break that quickly and nobody is buying them every 3 years.
>>739238001Dilate
>>739237560>I've upgraded laptop GPUs.can I get a QRD on this? I thought laptop GPUs are soldered on, or part of the entire motherboard, how did you do it?
>>739238035>it's worse value because i decided that everything about the deck is shit so i can win this imaginary comparison
>>739238050Due to RAMpocalypse and new consoles on the horizon, I'm waiting. I want an idea of the PS6 specs to be able to build something that'll stuck up well against it.
>>739238124If the Z1 Extreme has such a sharp price drop on the second hand market then that is a red flag. Usually things don't get sold at a huge discount unless there's something wrong.
>>739217206No, it will sell to all the people who got fucked over by microsoft and are living on borrowed time with windows 10. There are a lot of us.
>>739238154I mean laptops that had an MXM module GPU, old Alienware laptops and various mobile workstations, but I don't think any new(ish) gaming laptop uses MXM any more, everything is soldered. I'm upset because Valve could have brought it back, but chose not to.
>>739216663Good, I won't have to upgrade my toaster for Half-Life 3.
>>739238241Alienware laptops with MXM were probably 2000+ USD propositions back in the day.
>>739216663That's pretty good considering it won't have windows to bloat everything.
>>739238205I bought mine second refurbished at Best Buy. It's fine except it fries all your SD cards.
>>739238001but it's true, nJeetunlike you you don't have to hold back on old drivers, you just update as they come
>>739238309True they were quite overpriced, but it's still better to have the option to upgrade than not to.
>Nobody actually knows how computers work anymore thanks to reddit fudderyWhat a time to be alive. Steam machine is good and well designed by the way, its better and cheaper than older attempts at small formfactor PCs aping on consoles. It'll perform better than Xbox X and PS5 no matter what, even if the hardware was actually worse because both lock you into hilariously unoptimized hardware and game settings because fuck you for buying their products I guess.
>>739238406Sure, how much of a premium would you pay for that ability? 100 USD? 200 USD?
>>739238180Fair, this is usually a good strategy. Consoles won't have X3D for sure.Zen6 will probably be the last gen on AM5.Maybe Intel will stop tripping over their own feet, because they lowered their prices recently and allegedly will stop artificial chipset segmentation.I think GPU performance on consoles will rely a lot on upscaling and won't be significantly faster than PS5Pro. But they will come with a lot of shared memory so at least 24GB of VRAM will be advised if you want to keep your GPU for long time. This will be the tricky and the expensive part I think.
>>739238496for me it's the fact that it's going to create a marketmini pcs with dedicated gpus don't fucking exist
>>739238205Nothing is wrong about it except small battery (replaceable) and sd slot overheating.
>>739238496Enjoy playing at low settings, 40fps and 480p on your brand new system lol
>>739238496>It'll perform better than Xbox X and PS5 no matter whatthis is outright untrue. people expecting PS5 visuals (4K upscaled, medium-high settings with minimal/no RT) are going to be disappointed
>>739238521In terms of BOM it's not going to be that much, but let's say it's an extra $50.It's a matter of marketing it to people, it's $50 extra, but you'll be able to upgrade down the line for less money than buying a whole new gabecube. There's a big overlap between people who like Valve and Framework, as seen by how much praise both companies get for the reparability of their hardware.
The SteamDeck is the only handheld PC that matters because of the touchpads. The SteamMachine will be the only mini-PC/Console/HTPC hybrid that matters due it coming with a controller that has touchpads. Asus, MSI, and Lenovo will come out with dupes almost immediately that will probably have better performance on paper, but with actually matter due to running JEETdows and either not coming with a controller or the controller it does come with has no touchpads.
>>739238528>Fair, this is usually a good strategy. Consoles won't have X3D for sure.Agreed. It will probably be a 9800 tier chip with a lower tdp/clock to account for a shared die-space.>Zen6 will probably be the last gen on AM5.Quite possibly. The 9800x3d might be the limit of AM5 already. It really depends where the push goes next.>Maybe Intel will stop tripping over their own feet, because they lowered their prices recently and allegedly will stop artificial chipset segmentation.That's a big ask. Didn't they just launch some retarded 350w chip?>I think GPU performance on consoles will rely a lot on upscaling and won't be significantly faster than PS5Pro.I think you're right on the use of AI upscaling, which is why I want to wait and get an idea of the architecture. PSSR was a fat nothing. I expect it'll be better all-round; it's likely have additional cores dedicated to RT this time. So, as we're a couple of years out, I wouldn't be shocked if it was a 9070XT level of raster with better RT.>But they will come with a lot of shared memory so at least 24GB of VRAM will be advised if you want to keep your GPU for long time. This will be the tricky and the expensive part I think.I agree. I'll be curious what the RAM situation ends up being on the new consoles. With costs, they can't expand it too much, but they're pretty heavily memory constrained now... so... I expect 24-32GB. You'll need a card with at least 2/3rds of that as VRAM.
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>>739238743Slopdeck sucks ass, get real.
>>739216663it's still better than most peoples PCs on here. what's the issue?
>>739225393own both. can't tell the difference
>>739238797At least I can play PC games without controller support.
>>739235792lads, why do we allow brownoid 14 year olds to post here?
>>739238665>PS5 visualsWhat the fuck does this even mean are you actually implying a console has desirably good visuals?
>>73923866750 USD extra might be reasonable if the device cost well over 1000 USD to begin with, but if you're dealing with a device that's sub 1000 USD then even 50 is a huge difference.I can guarantee you almost nobody would want to pay that premium no matter how hard you tried to convince them otherwise. Hardware upgrades are a niche within a niche. Even I don't like to do that because of how much of a hassle it is, and I've built computers for 20 years.
>>739238528>Maybe Intel will stop tripping over their own feettheir new chip is shit given it's on a better node, it's just cheaper because they're losing so hardnext gen they'll have to increase their performance core counts to 12 to chase amd and they're going to struggle with that
>>739238841the issue is people can get x2-x3 the power from a prebuilt or made themselves for the price, its like buying a apple laptop thats the issue, just because something is better than most peoples builds doesnt mean its a good deal or a good investment for future gaming when its underpowered for the current climate of games requirements
>>739235310The ability of consolefags to understand things never developed past "my console has 9001 gigaflopps of blast processing"
>>739216663Nothing fucking uses multiple cores
>>739238906They take their screenshot with a "photomode", which is literally bullshots@home, and then conviniently ignore that their games need to include a performance mode to have a chance at hitting a constant 30 FPSLiterally gaslighting themselves that the games look like their fake screenshots at runtime
>>739238985Some games do. Starfield hilariously has terrible AI if you don't have at least eight virtual cores because it uses as many as it can for the AI system. Then again no one wants to play Starfield so its irrelevant, but funny.
>>739216663I am more worried about online games not working because of anti cheat bullshit.
>>739238947You mean the price that is still up in the air?And obviously part of the product is the small form factor and you wont find prebuilts this small or build one yourselfAnyone who wants as a full-sized desktop PC can obviously just use the money to buy something else, I don't know why this is supposed to be such a revelation
>>739239127That just sounds like "we need to use multithreading for the sake of multithreading" I can't imagine it made any significant impact when other games exist that have better AI while also not performing worse
>>739239127>don't have at least eight virtual coresEven the Steam Deck has that though?
>>739239153>You mean the price that is still up in the air?>a $60 controller thats $100its going to be a overpriced shitbox
>>739238760Intel latest CPUs were a fluke, performance wise not faster than their last generation but they consumed significantly less power.But board partners are already getting engineering samples of Nova Lake, competition is good for us.PSSR got already upgraded to PSSR2 which is basically FSR4.1, this fixed many issues with the original upscaler. Games won't get more demanding as soon as the new consoles show up because the existing player base of PS5 is simply too large to ignore.New consoles will be expensive as fuck for sure, both Sony and M$ boiled the frog slowly. $1000 is highly probable, that's before scalper tax.
Steamies are steamin'!
>>739238797Do you even like video games?
>>739239245Why is every argument you have just >"it's not what I think it should be"What makes you so important?
>>739239214Bethesduhs AI system is weird. Its like a puppeteer driving all the NPCs hence why when it gets bottlenecked or breaks all of them just stop working. Whats even weirder is how they hamstring what its allowed to do so it seems really bad when it isn't, without actually trying to optimize is CPU usage. Fucking zombie company outsourcing to jamboys who don't even know how the engine works, its like the monolith from 2001 to them. I'm sure there's other games that use more cores for different stuff like data streaming, I can't think of any off the top of my head though.
>>739238928It's a dead platform so I would not buy into that right now.It's great CPU if you do anything else on your PC that can make use of those shitty cores.It's faster than non-X3D Zen5 and so far it doesn't kill itself unlike 13th and 14th gen.I wish they also had SKUs without estrogenCores, shit is worthless for games.
>>739239245it beats every single first party controller on features, tech and on softwarethat's a completely fair price>inb4 muh chinkwareenjoy your lowest bidder shit without the software integration
>>739238869Try modding games on the console. Or changing graphics settings. You'll notice a difference real quick.
>>739238909>Hardware upgrades are a niche within a niche. Even I don't like to do that because of how much of a hassle it is, and I've built computers for 20 years.Yeah sorry but I can't take you seriously after that statement.I've been building my PCs since the late 90s when you had to set the CPU multiplier and FSB with jumpers on the motherboard.If you know how to assemble a computer one of the most fun and exciting parts is upgrading and testing old games to see how much better they play.
>>739239252>competition is good for us.Agreed, it was bad when AMD were putting out Bulldozer shit, and now AMD seem to be complacent with the 7800x3d and 9800x3d being a stones throw away from one another.>PSSR got already upgraded to PSSR2 which is basically FSR4.1, this fixed many issues with the original upscaler. Does it actually look better? Because as said, last I saw of PSSR, it was a giant nothing.>Games won't get more demanding as soon as the new consoles show up because the existing player base of PS5 is simply too large to ignore.While that's true, my 5600x and 3060Ti will definitely be long in the tooth by then.
>>739219862>>739228785
>>739238543>mini pcs with dedicated gpus don't fucking existthey do but they're very hard to find
>>739239757it's not that they're hard to find, they're just massively overspecced for gamer shit and amd ones are completely nonexistent and those are what you'd want for a linux gaming box like this
>>739233774>the gpu and controller aren't going to double the priceYes they will, especially when you factor in the cooling design of the Machine (they literally had to engineer a custom fan design, as well as obviously the custom case and custom board design for the sake of thermals), that R&D alone will add to the cost. It could easily be $800
>>739239576it has some gay mousepads it doesnt do shit and has no xinput
>>739239703>Does it actually look better? Because as said, last I saw of PSSR, it was a giant nothing.It does, but games have to be whitelisted to benefit from it.If you care to watch DF shills.https://youtu.be/36qAeOAB_fII use FSR4 and it's huge improvement over FSR3, but I still think nV has superior feature set with DLSS. Last time I used DLSS was when I still had my 3060Ti it was 2.0 and it looked worse than FSR4 at my 1440p display.
>>739239842>Yes they will, especially when you factor in the cooling design of the Machineno, you can get the peerless assassin 140 for $40, one of the best cpu coolers out thereand plastic is dirt cheap
>>739228995So the Steam GPU is not even an RX 7600 but an overclocked RX 7400 (the most basic one of the RX line).The 3060 is superior to the base 7400 so the best an overcloked version can do is to be comparable to a 3060.
>>739239701What exactly is exciting about that? lolI upgraded from a 12 core Xeon to a 6 core Intel i7 about a decade ago, and the performance increase in video games was astronomical... but there was nothing exciting about it. I literally expected the performance increase before I ever decided to replace the CPU.Same thing when I upgraded my GTX 980 to something much stronger. It's not exciting. I already know the new part is going to perform better, there's nothing to see here. I wouldn't have bought the upgrade if it didn't.
>>739239830They do exist tho>>739239970irrelevant, we already know the Machine uses custom cooling, case, and even board designs.
>>739239850you're right, it has steam input, the best fucking controller software known to man instead of 20 year old faggot shit that is xinputtrackpads do matter whether you're sour graping about it or not
>>739240024>cant play gog, emulate, or pirate games without using steam sounds gay and apple like to me
>>739239959>have to be whitelisted to benefit from it.Ugh. I probably would've bought a PS5 Pro if you could've used framegen on it to get all those badly running PS4 games playing at a solid 60 fps. It's really bad how poor Sony's backwards compatibility support is compared with Xbox's (which is about the only thing they seemingly got right)
>>739240058you can't buy it without going to fucking steam in the first place, you idiot
>>739240141so? i can run 8bitdo controllers without running the 8bitdo software programme on my pc whenever i connect the controller to my pc
>>739240352I can do that with Steam controller.
>>739240005you think rearranging legos is actually demanding when it comes to R&D? this shit's all solved or chinks wouldn't be selling comparable shit minus the gpu for $400
>>739240412no you cant it doesnt have xinput
>>739240412You can't
>>739240352so? the selling point of the steam controller is softwareif you're not using it and deranged about it then why even fucking buy itit's simply better when you don't have some mental illness, get over it
>>739240532lmfao
>>739216663I hope it's gonna become de facto target for devs
>>739240463they designed their own fan, and went through various design iterations on the fan alone to get the cooling performance and static pressure flow they wanted. They also designed a custom board with unusual layered memory design, as well as of course the custom case (that was designed alongside the fan). It's all well documented as there's an interview with one of their engineers on youtube talking to gamersnexus. You are delusional if you think it'll be anything less than $700. It is more than likely going to be $800+ (USD)
>>739238239>and are living on borrowed time with windows 10. There are a lot of us.did I miss something?outside of the "no further security updates2, which I don't care about because I am not in the habit of clicking random links and attachments
>>739235615You fucking idiot. You know the Steam' GPU has less CUs, right? You are comparing a 7600 XT that has more components than what the Gabecube has. Your best bet is for the cube to be a 3060.
The human eye can’t see more than 6 cores
>>739240476My OS doesn't have xinput support either.
>>739240810i dont care about you using linux you tranny
>>739240865your harvested and sold data literally pays for neovaginas, winjeet
>>739240974oh no please mr hacker save us
>>739240865If you don't care, then you also don't have to lie about what I can and can't do or tell me that I need functionality that I don't need.
>>739216663>8GB VRAMAlso fuck the HDMI forum. Can we please move on to Displayport on everything and get rid of this inferior standard that acts like its inner workings are still secret and demands royalties for doing shittier work than Displayport does free?
>>7392410808gb is perfectly fine on linux with its superior memory management and considering this box is going to be upscaling from 720p just like consoles
>>739241058most people use windows you are on a niche platform so when i say i cant do something i dont mean also trannys who cant stop telling everyone they use linux
>>739239131Can't wait for anti cheat to work - but only on untampered SteamOS running on Valve hardware.Then again, that should be bypassable easily with a hypervisor.
>>739241151you're just on a sinking normalfag platform and are seething about people around you telling you that they can swim
>>739241151I don't give a shit what most people use. Or what you use, for that matter. I said "I can do that with the Steam controller". Notice how I said "I can" not "you can"? There's a reason I said that.You don't have to start impotently seething like this just because I can do something you can't.
>>739241268>>739241367i just want to use the controller outside of being forced to use it on a platform its a retarded argument to say windows this and that when the majority of gamers use it you are the minority regardless of how good or shit a OS is
>>739241417Why can't you just buy a controller that's made to be used on the platform you're actually using? There's no shortage of xinput controllers that cost like 30 bucks and even have TMR sticks.
>>739240004Do you have autism? That's the whole point, that's the fun of upgrading going "damn that's fast" "wow that looks pretty" "fuck 4k 120hz looks fine"
>>739241476i did its why im saying the steam controller is shit in comparison it forces you to use steam not linux
>>739241417>why are you calling me retarded for wanting to buy wagyu beef just to pan fry it and eat it like it's just another source of protein instead of properly cooking it?
>>739240810Your troonix doesn't support steam controller either.
>>739241565tendie arguement
>>739241496I think you're the one who has autism for getting excited over something that mundane. Besides, I could get the exact same results by buying a brand new top tier computer and building that which is far more entertaining than going through the slog of upgrading an old one.
>>739234018>TV VRRYou think a single TV user would give a shit?
>>739241605tendie arguments are wanting things to stoop down to your shittier levelsteam input actively elevates the controller above any other and you're crying because you're being dragged upwards
>>739216663I thought we knew the specs alrady
>>739233012Forza has standout optimization compared to most devs. Nearly every other AAA will need maxed out FSR+Frame gen to even reach 60 fps.
>>739241710>just buy a prebuilt bro, upgrading is a slogDon't talk to me anymore filthy casual
>>739221061Valve has the steam machine custom built for SteamOS, you will be guaranteed that nothing fucks up, which we cant say the same for chinkbuilds
>>739241774>elevateliteral tendie lmfao
>>739241807Where did I say "buy prebuilt"? >I could get the exact same results by buying a brand new top tier computer and building thatDo you notice the "building that" at the end of that sentence? To build a computer you first need to buy the parts that the computer consists of, only then can you build it.
>>739241881so you haven't used steam input, i take it?
>>739221505>Costco CanadaNot all Costco stores run the same deals. Also, that * means the product is not returning so you'd be fucked for replacements even if you have the Costco warranty. You'd get your money back but a deal like that is rare as you'd assume.
>>739241767Fuck do you mean?Why do you think VRR is a feature on consoles now?
>8gb vramwe had that shit back in 2013 when sapphire released 8gb r9 290x and in 2015 with r9 390/x where it became mainstreamTIME TO MOVE ON FROM IT
>>739242591https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdaco79JE0oYou don't need more than 8gb vram
>>739237862>playing that slopI'll emulate MHXX or MHGU on Ryujinx.
>>739242710>Doesn't work on nV>Works only on LinuxThis was clearly made with gaybox in mind.
>>739221219>GCNthe name does not lie, literally 2 gamecubes taped together
>>739242808>Doesn't work on nVbecause nvidia is hostile to linux outside of AI garbage?>Works only on Linuxwhy the fuck would valve want to improve the windows experience in any capacity?
>>739243171I'm just saying it's irrelevant for over 99% of all PC users.8GB of RAM is just pathetic in 2026.
>>739243171>why the fuck would valve want to improve the windows experience in any capacity?Because that's 98% of their customers.
>>739243248again, not pathetic in linux>>739243253and anyone on amd can switch and nvidia buyers have brought this on themselves, that's what they chose
>>739243248It's relevant to 100% of the people who buy the gaming system with>8GB of dedicated VRAM
>>739243452It's not because of points I've mentioned before.It's only relevant for future Steam Machine users.
