Name the game.
literally this thread
Spec Ops: The Line
they should make a game where you have a 0.1% chance per second of tripping on a rock and launching through the air stabbing a dog and all villagers get mad at you
>>739224837Spec Ops: The Line, to a T.
It's not Spec Ops, the image is misleading
>>739225120t. Spec Ops tranny.
>>739224949I see this a lot. Why do so many people seem to completely lack the mental capacity to separate a character they're playing from themselves? The end of the game is the main character schizophrenically calling himself an asshole for the decisions he made in the story even if they were justified because he feels bad about them.If you can't separate yourself from the character you're playing in a game, you might have some kind of serious brain damage and should not engage in fiction until somehow John Lennon comes back and needs to be shot again.
>>739224983Except nobody stopped playing after the white phosphorous scene. The devs WANTED you to quit before it but nobody gave a shit after the fact.
>>739225298>I see this a lot. Why do so many people seem to completely lack the mental capacity to separate a character they're playing from themselves? The end of the game is the main character schizophrenically calling himself an asshole for the decisions he made in the story even if they were justified because he feels bad about them.GEE, I WONDER WHAT THIS IS ALL A BIG METAPHOR ABOUT...IF ONLY I KNEW.
>>739224837fallout 3 was like>holy shit you killed NPC!>never been to NPC>go to them>Rad scorpions killed him
>>739225384don't give a fuck
>>739225457>the death of the authorTouche, EN GUARDE!https://angryfishhead.wordpress.com/2023/06/03/the-death-of-the-audience/
>>739224837Last of Us 2
>>739225509>I will finish by saying that ‘The Death of the Author’ is not just harmful to art and media itself, it is harmful to humanity. It destroys individualismDeath of the author quite literally enhances individualism, not reading the rest of this tripe
>>739225396Operation anchorage is so pretentious it's actually hilarious>"Hey this is the guy who sent a supermutant into the nuclear death chamber to stop a nuclear bomb from going off, instead of giving up his life for literally no reason.">"Lol what a bitch, he should feel bad and submit to Todd's clearly superior storytelling full of nuance and thematic eloquence! He is wrong and we the writers are correct!"
>>739225549>not reading the rest of this tripeBecause you're a mor-an. Or a Marxist, probably both.
>noooo i have to be able to self insert completely into the main character or the game is shit
>>739224837Does this meme apply to psychopaths, like me?
>>739225580>If you don't brainwash yourself into believing whatever your media is trying to say is all powerful in telling you personally how to act and what to believe, you're a communist!what are you, dyslexic?
>>739225549>Death of the author quite literally enhances individualismYea, nothing more "individualist" than erasing the authors intended message and letting the masses dictate what it meant. Individualism, hurray!
>>739225657What the hell is this Custer's Revenge bullshit?
>>739224837Better thread idea.Name a game that does this that ISN'T Spec Ops: The Line
>>739225298This is cute and all, but the entire point of Spec Ops is to make the PLAYER specifically stop and reflect on the horrific actions that hollywood military shooters have them perform. If anything, your point makes the game even more retarded. I'm not Commander Niggertry, those aren't real people and it isn't actual violence. There were no choices to be made but to shut off the game, but if you do that the game can't lecture you, thus shooting itself in the foot. Spec Ops is a shit game on purpose. Congrats, mission accomplished.
>>739225720>>If you don't brainwash yourself into believing whatever your media is trying to sayImagine being so mind-rapingly stupid that you force yourself to agree with every piece of media you play, watch, or listen to. Jesus christ, lmao, what a fucking idiot.
>>739225549Wow bro how will he recover from you skipping the last two sentences of the outro, what an epic ownDipshit
>>739225802How are you so stupid you managed to get the exact opposite of the point out of that?
>>739225801>hollywood military shooters>hollywoodHollywood doesn't make video games, dumbass. You're falling into the same strawman logic that the director of Spec Ops did.
>>739224837>>739225771Bioshock probably if you want to get upgrades faster by killing the little sisters.
>>739225854Because unless you're illiterate, that's exactly what that post was saying. If you play a game, and you don't agree with the message, you're not brainwashing yourself into believing it. In fact, it's mental cuckery to pretend to yourself that it actually means something else that's super duper deep that you actually do agree with.
>>739224837Spec ops the line was a failure precisely because you had no choice. If you want to see this done correctly you can observe the Undertale genocide route. You can stop at any time and have plenty of other ways to progress so when the game starts lecturing you, it's completely justified
>>739224837I want to FUCK white Korra!
>>739225916>If you don't brainwash yourself into believing whatever your media is trying to sayfollowed immediately by>is all powerful in telling you personally how to act and what to believeLiterally nothing else you're saying matters to me if you lack a third grade reading level.
>>739225868My nigger, are you retarded?Are you going to nigger there and tell me that modern military shooters aren't styled after hollywood movies? Are you going to cornrow your hair while you watch the cutscenes and try to tell me you aren't watching a gay movie?
>>739226030Oh, I see, you're a retard who is incapable of actually properly communicating his opinions and then lashes out when his nonsensical retardery is pointed out as not making any logical sense. Got it.
>>739225384>If you feel uncomfortable you should stop playing>But I knew you wouldn't because you are trained that wayMan, this line of thought never sat well with me and I never really could figure out how to explain why. I thought The Line was pretty good. Not the best game ever or high art but it was neat.Like.. this is fiction. It's art*. I want to experience this story. I want to see where it's going, let the story teller finish their story. I like any story that actually makes me feel something. Even uncomfortable. Just because something makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean you should just walk away. Life is uncomfortable and you have to fucking deal with it sometimes and it can suck. Walking away from a story feels like I'd be cowardly burying my head in the sand at every little inconvenience. I legit like the "Do you feel like a hero yet?" line. It was an intense reveal and some decent story telling. The devs turning around and going "OOOHHH YOU ARE SUCH A DICK YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED PLAYING" is just silly. I'm in this for the story, bro. I like stories. I'm not the one out here burning civvies huddled in trenches, but I am enjoying this grim piece of fiction. I dunno where I'm going with this. It just always feels weird when they point the finger and I can never really put words to why in a satisfactory way.
>>739226103Say this again, but without licking your own anus while you type it. It's okay, I believe in you. :)
>>739225384>They keep doing because we had trained them to believe they were the good guysNo, they keep going because they paid for the game you faggotAnd even if they don't like it (to a certain extent), they'll continue because of the sunk cost fallcy, they bought the game, they spent hours on it, they'll continue even if it's shit because otherwise it would be a waste of time and money.
>>739225730The difference is being able to say "the author's message is dominant no matter what" and "the author's message is retarded and I have the right to just ignore it because it's retarded". Take a guess which is worse for people who consume literature and media.
>>739226180>you're a retard who is incapable of actually properly communicating his opinions>I am a retard who cannot read more than 14 words or I will cry
>>739226236>"the author's message is retarded"And who is stopping you from saying that? Like all the people in this thread calling out Spec Ops The Line's message as retarded?
>>739226220At least I can get my tongue passed my gums you chicken washer.
>>739226268https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_collapseYou should read this, then re-write your original comment so it makes sense.
>>739225868>If we're going to present players with deplorables choicesBut their is no choice, you're forced to do it to continue the game>Ok then stop itOk then, give me my money back
>>739225868>i can hear your sad little cries all the way from the futureWhat an insufferable faggot, lmao.
>>739226302Good one. Feel like a big man yet?
>>739226298Nothing. And the author's intentions are retarded. But if it takes an interview with the writer to discern his intentions, then his intentions don't matter, the result of them does. And the result is a game that only tells you to feel bad about playing it if you're a neanderthal that can't separate your hands holding the controller from the little man on the screen.
>>739226337Undertale>Monsters spend the whole game attempting to kill you and exterminate humans>Get whined at by every npc and then the dev's self insert Chara that killing them is le bad
>>739226487>if it takes an interview with the writerBooks usually have Forewords, introductions, prologues, prefaces, author's notes, if the intent behind the work is particularly important.
>>739226337Dishonored if you do a full lethal run. Just killing the enemies and bosses somehow makes you lose morality and Corvo's daughter becomes psychotic, despite Corvo's job being an assassin in the first place.
>>739226302>passedgood morning saar
Shut up and post white Korra already!
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>>739226337Batman Arkham Knight had a sidequest about Ra's Al Ghul and framed it that you murdered Ra's if you didn't personally hand deliver him to his eternal life goon juice. Ra's dying due to the consequences of his actions is the natural end to his character in the arkham universe, but people act like you as Batman are the one killing him. Meanwhile if you do save him he immediately kills the league of shadow members who tried to stop him from living for another eternity.
>Undertale>>Monsters spend the whole game attempting to kill you and exterminate humans>>Get whined at by every npc and then the dev's self insert Chara that killing them is le bad
>>739226520>Get whined at by the dev's self insert Chara that killing them is le badToday on things that never happened
>>739225657lmao I expected the beatdown but the fucking blowjob killed me
>>739226825>Get whined at by every npc and then the dev's self insert Chara that killing them is le badWow monsters aren't happy about being killed>charaYou're highly schizophrenic and/or illiterate if you think chara scolds you
>>739226563books are so fucking gay
>>739226920it's a low effort troll
>>739226656Passed is correct, Rapedeep. Do not greentext a king on the King's English.
>>739226487>But if it takes an interview with the writer to discern his intentions, then his intentions don't matterThis doesn't hold water. Multiple pieces of art have to be explained to people because they are too fucking stupid to figure it out themselves. Do you know how fucking stupid the average movie watcher is? They can barely follow a string of plot points, to say nothing of being able to actually extract what message the director is trying to impart on them.
>>739227108It is actually a pretty good point that the death of the author is completely irrelevant in the age of niggers, jeets, and retards.
I feel like nobody actually knows what pretenious means any more. A game having a message to deliver isn't pretentious.
>>739224837actually it's like this
>>739225657I'm not watching a 35 second video, dickhead
>>739225657what game
>>739225384>They'd keep going because we had trained them to believe they were the good guysBest selling most profitable game series of all time: Be a nigger, steal cars, kill innocents, rob banks, fuck whores and then kill them, break into a military compound and steal a fighter jet and use it to slaughter the law enforcement chasing you, grief multiplayer when you get bored of singleplayer
>>739226337Playing as the germans in a WWII game
>>739225657This game looks great!
>>739225457This literally describes 4chan and memes
>>739225384>the player and walker are the same personWTF that image lied to me, it really was me who was le evil
>>739224837>I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERSmillenials, everyone, trully the NPC generation
>>739228238>I was just following ordersThe game kills you if you don't follow them or try to navigate around them. That isn't following orders, that's being forced to at gunpoint.
>>739228238But it was the millennials that ravenously turned on "I was just following orders" thing.It was millennials that demanded people be held accountable.
ive never played spec ops the line but i am glad so many halfwits did and are still publicly butthurt about it
>>739224837Last of Us
Most of the time this happens the game is criticizing the characters actions, or simply attempting to ask you to consider what makes you want to play these types of things without necessarily criticizing you personally.
>>739225457You cannot simultaneously claim "death of the author" while claiming that the author is criticizing you, then. If you truly believed in death of the author, then the authors potential criticism you is inherently moot and a non-issue.You are simply using "death of the author" as a way to try and claim the author doesn't matter when you're uncomfy.
>>739224837Jedi: Fallen OrderRight in the first level/tutorial.There is a section where you drop into a train carriage with 2 stormtroopers.They just stand there, they never attempt to fire on you. You HAVE to murder them to continue.I'd already heard you can't be darkside in fallen order, so I stopped playing it right there and have never picked it back up.
>>739224837All three of them>But it's a fake out! Still made me feel like shit.
>>739225384>I could say this because I knew people wouldn't stopI've stopped playing a lot of games because they made me uncomfortable. Not Spec Ops. I kept playing that. Didn't make me that uncomfortable. But a lot the pedo pandering coomer shit is unplayable because of the pedo pandering and coomer shit. This is why it's been many years since I played a Japanese games. If I'm going to consume porn it's going to proper western porn.
>>739229013>lol yeah burn you towelhead fuckersDevs were the only ones that were butthurt.
>>739225457>authors were invented in the 18th centuryShakespeare? Plato? Herodotus? Montaigne?
>>739224837I feel Subnautica 2 would pull some shit like this if they let you kill stuff.
>>739229501It's a declaration coming from a French philosopher so of course it's completely fucking retarded.
>>739224837people make this point like "there was no other way of doing it" as if they ever once questioned why they were doing itjust some shit they made up to appear smart
>>739226337Killing the ghouls in Tenpenny Tower. That quest actually red-pilled many players, bravo Todd.
>>739225509The Death of the Author is completely right and I don't know why people have such a hateboner for it. Trying to argue against it is like saying you can read minds - it's self-evidently wrong. This pseud drivel blogpost certainly doesn't make a well-reasoned argument either.
>>739224837you DID kill that dog though
>>739230113>and I don't know why people have such a hateboner for itProbably because it's mainly used by retards as an excuse for being objectively wrong."Death of the author" is as retarded as "fan ownership". It's not your work. You don't own it. You can't just make up any old nonsense and then claim "It's MY truth". There is no such thing as "my truth". There is only "the truth" and death of the author is antithetical to that.
>>739224837Didn't this happen in TLOU2?
>>739224837spec ops the line
>>739225549But you'll casually ignore the authorial intent when it's convenient to your argument?
>>739230261No. TLOU2 is practically the opposite of that. It's "Doing bad things doesn't make you a bad person."
>>739230239>It's not your work. You don't own it. You can't just make up any old nonsense and then claim "It's MY truth". There is no such thing as "my truth". There is only "the truth" and death of the author is antithetical to that.Did you actually read the essay, yes or no?
My white wife (that I want to fuck btw) already did it !
>>739230327Well it fucks up that messaging pretty hard when there's a faction of religious fundamentalists the game makes out to be unrepentantly evil and it doesn't even bother to suggest otherwise.
>>739225491this lol
>>739230239>>739230113>>739225509>>739225457領域展開「Scaruffi's World」
>>739229013I don't get it. Why are you posting some fugly 3DPD?
>>739230552because even the ugliest roasties on earth are better than tranime
>>739230113>novel is written in 1919 by a someone who fought in ww1This probably has zero impact on anything within the story, best to just ignore it, anyone from anytime could have written it and it would turn out exactly the same
I recall SUPERHOT doing something like this. Part way through the story started going "You shouldn't be playing this".
>>739226520This one grinds my gears a bit, because even if you play a NoMercy run THIS DOESNT HAPPEN.Sans in fact actually says it was effectively just self defence. He is only upset you also took out his brother, because why wouldn't he be upset about that.The only route where you get some whining is Genocide where you actively *hunt down* everything that moves and go waaaaay out of your way to do it.
>>739229849Don't forget the Stratholme mission in WC3. The real villain was Mal'Ganis, that forced his hand by intentionally having the Cult of the Damned secretly ship hundreds of boxes of tainted grain to spread the plague to the citizens of the city. The whole thing was the result of a literal demon to make an undead army to kill all of the potential threats to the 2nd coming of the Burning Legion.
>>739230450Would it even matter if death of the author was a thing? Allow me to apply it to your post.Clearly what you're really trying to argue for here is a government mandated cuckoldry program. Personally, I think your belief that every white man needs to be assigned a black bull whose job it is is to impregnate the white man's mother, sisters, wife and daughters is an odd one.
>>739230492Allow me to expand. The point of the game is "Doing bad things doesn't make good people bad people but doing good things doesn't make bad people good people."So, for example, anything a dyke does is excusable because dykes are inherently good people. Anything a bigot does up to an including making bigot sandwiches doesn't change the fact they are objectively a bad person. Christians are inherently bad so they will always bad people irrespective of their actions.
>>739231117I probably should've expected as much from Cuckman's writing. That's my mea culpa then.
>>739230658>anyone from anytime could have written it and it would turn out exactly the sameNobody's saying that. Background historical factoids can influence art, but they are not part of the art itself.If a part of the author's background does influence their art, then the extent of that influence is evident within the art. Nothing less and nothing more than that. Extrapolating past the art itself is pure fanfiction and not rigorous criticism.>>739231042>ironically misinterpreting the death of the author>proving mutt's law in real timeBased retard
>>739230596>faggot that worships pussy is also a retard that loves gay subversive slopI'm not surprised, just disappointed
>>739231325>If a part of the author's background does influence their art, then the extent of that influence is evident within the art.Except no.What actually happens is death of the author proponents just project.
>>739231429>noooooo you're supposed to be a ridiculous strawman I made up in my headBut I'm not. Now what?
>>739231493This is coming from my sister who was a literature professor in tertiary education. She always used to talk about being endlessly frustrated by "death of author" retards literally just making up complete crap that is obviously not true to anyone who has investigated the author and their environment.But that would be too hard. Much easier to just guess. I've looked into this extensively and I concur with her. Death of the author is narcissism and laziness masquerading legitimate critique.
>>739225298Maybe you should read some interviews with the guys who made the game my guy
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>>739224837Can't be spec ops. I care about dogs and feel nothing glassing sand niggers.
>>739226584The real problem with Dishonored is that 90% of your arsenal is cool shit for combat, then the game tells you off for using it.
>>739225457>if you ignore all context Mein Kampf is actually about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict uwu
>>739226825this point about undertale is subverted by the fact that the "players" ability to time travel is completely canon and the player is pretty much a god in the game setting. It's completely and utterly IMPOSSIBLE for any monster to harm the player because the player can just time travel back in time and not get hurt. Monsters being a threat is not a factor in the story of Undertale, they can not harm you. The only reason to kill the monsters is purely spite or laziness.The spite argument that you're really upset that the powerless things that can't hurt you WANT to hurt you can be a decent justification, though.
>>739227849>>739231682Yes, this one.
>>739231790I desperately want someone to try to use this argument. The sheer amount of trolling if it works would be even better.
Death of the author is fine if the author never said explained what it all meant. If they did and you ignore that, you're an idiot projecting onto a fictional scenario.
>>739231587Art should speak for itself. You shouldn't have to investigate the author, and even if you do, there's nothing saying it would actually explain the intent behind the work.It's actually the author's laziness as well, of course you can't control what retards think but that's the cost you have to pay when you don't convey your ideas correctly.And if your ideas can't be conveyed through your artistic work then the question is why you're making that art in the first place.
>>739227612Damn, Pokemon got really hardcore since I last played it.
>>739225801>the horrific actions that hollywood military shooters have them perform.like? no russian, and...
>>739231792What happens if the players life points drop to 0, do you die or does the game just "fade to black" and not acknowledge that the monsters actually did just kill a child? Because if they're not trying to hurt the player, but through their own general retardation end up doing it anyway, it would still give justification to protect oneself against them.
>>739229206Made me want to have sex with furries lolis
Fixed it for (you)
Needs more dogs.
>I like the authorHis work, his interpretation>I don't like the authorHe's dead, my interpretationShrimple.
>>739224837any moviegame
>>739225384But that's not saying that you should unironically stop playing, he's mocking the idea that you'll somehow get a good ending where you feel good and be treated as a hero after doing horrible shit to innocent people.
>>739232085no author that does that is good
>>739225801You are supposed to reflect on the horrible things the player character is doing. You are not supposed to feel like you are being personally shamed for it.It's like arguing with a fucking woman with you people.
>>7392265841. You only get the high chaos ending if you go on constant massacres, you can kill every target and still get the low chaos ending2. In the high chaos run you lose morality since you are not just calling randos but exacerbating the rat plague since the guards are the ones responsible with taking care of the rats and more rats means the plague spreads faster3. Emily becomes a psycho because the whole time she is watching and listening to how you conduct yourself, she sees how you deal with problems and that in turn affects how she will go about dealing with problems in the future. So naturally if she hears that you slaughter a whole guard station just to get shit done she will think that murder is the way to go to deal with obstacles. 4. Corvo is not an assassin, he was the empress’s body guard and most trusted agent (ie lord protector) his job was not to go around killing her rivals but to make sure people didn’t kill her. It’s why he was sent away in the first place before the events of the game since if he was there the Burrows’ plot would have been uncovered.
>>739232284It's a little worse than that anon. The game actively says that even ATTEMPTING to help during a crisis is wrong. The 33rd go in to Dubai to save as many people as possible before a sandstorm hits, one that the UAE government knew about but kept quiet on. Even though they do save most of the citizens, they get trapped along with the rest of the population that couldn't escape in time. Walker goes in after finding a dying US soldier asking him to help his comrades who were being attacked by the CIA backed rebels, and does to find out just how bad things are. The game would say the best solution to all of this would've been for the Americans to just sit back and let the city and its people be consumed by the storm than even attempt to help. Even if they did, that Walker should've just turned around the moment they found out people were still alive, but then that would've left the CIA to complete their plan to destroy the water and kill everyone thereby ensuring no one would know what happened in the city.It's a big nihilistic statement of "don't bother helping, you're just going to make things worse"
>>739225384What a retarded line of thought. King of midwits.
>>739224837Except players actually finished spec ops the line.
>>739229501It’s marxists bullshit from some faggot. Don’t mind it, it’s just an excuse to misconstrue and disregard meaning. Selective subjectivity is common among marxists.
>>739232413The only way you could possibly get this impression is if you're a psychotic neoconservative retard and you literally cannot mentally conceive of a way to help a foreign country other than invading it and bathing its citizens in willy pete. In which case you probably should feel personally attacked by the game, because you are exactly the kind of lunatic it's implicitly mocking.
>>739232413Good analysis.The way I see it, the game doesn't exactly say that Walker is a truly irredimable bad person, he's just a guy wanting to be a hero but every action he takes makes the situation worse.It's the literal example of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
>>739232586The only way you could get to your asinine progressive morality of insisting any form of aid is militaristic invasion is if you can't conceive that a military can be used for operations like humanitarian aid, which is literally what the game hinges on. IE you (and the writers) being retarded leftists that assume any outside interreference is wrong, but also that aiding anyone is clearly wrong if they don't explicitly ask for it. You are the kind of midwit that assumes the game was a scathing critique on US policy and not a poorly constructed recreation of Heart of Darkness by idiot Europeans. A common problem among your kind.
>>739232413You're seeing some sort of nihilistic philosophical bend where there is none. The game is just shitting on mutts for being dangerous retards, and rightly so.
>>739232683>You are the kind of midwit that assumes the game was a scathing critique on US policy and not a poorly constructed recreation of Heart of Darkness by idiot Europeans.If you cannot understand how Heart of Darkness and its themes are not extremely relevant to a critique of American foreign policy, you are in no position to be calling anyone else a midwit... or maybe you are, since your IQ is probably well below 100.You can screech "leftist" all you want, but it's not 2004 anymore. See >>739232685.
>>739231325death of the author is essentially you just saying you dont care about what things may have influenced the story because you have your own interpretation and changing it now would be too much work and you might not like what its actually supposed to mean and/or represent
>>739232791Nobody cares because scathing commentaries of foreign policy fall flat when in the end the only reason anyone gives a shit is because they are not the ones in control or because they are at the receiving end but can’t do anything about. Every fucking nation has and will continue to do shit like this because when given the power it is the first thing that the default to. Ironic given that was one of the main message in Heart of Darkness. Men act like monsters and do terrible shit when nothing is there to stand in there way. And it is an utterly mundane road. But the difference is, is that a man can kill a whole village and then go home and live out his days not caring or giving it a second thought.
>>739224837>Self inserts in games
>>739224837Deconstruction of video game violence is a trope employed by hacks who don't play video games. The player is smart enough to separate fiction from reality and understand he's just shooting chunks of code, not real people, and therefore attempts to make people feel bad about it or deconstruct this as some indication of sadistic human nature is idiotic.
>>739224837Notice how when he's about to beat the dog it's all "well, what else can I possibly do, quit?" and then when the game says "you didn't have to beat the dog" it's "FUCK YOU I QUIT"He had no problem beating the dog, he had a problem with that being pointed out
>>739224837>3616 days and counting>/v/ is STILL madBlessed game.
>>739233419>The player is smart enough to separate fiction from realityYou really overestimate /v/
Pokemon scarlet
>>739233516Why do you need to cry that people point out flaws in shit games? Do you actually care or are you some autistic skubfag that just looks to argue shit?
>>739232791Right, it's 2026 and we call them terrorists. Big difference.
>>739233419>The player is smart enough to separate fiction from realityI envy and respect the fantasy world you live in.
>>739233567Why do you need to cry that a game points out flaws in shit people?
>>739232413>It's a big nihilistic statement of "don't bother helping, you're just going to make things worse"You really can't divorce this from the context of American military interventionism
>>739233419People will say no one understands it but the reality is they just don’t care. A common meme among the especially braindead normalfags is that the military shooter crowd are all racist imperialists who enjoy oppressing and stomping on shit. When it reality it’s just children and dudebros who don’t give a shit or think about stories or narratives and just focus on the multiplayer elements. The ironic part is that those fags never apply this logic to any other time of game. They never say shit like Civ is a genocide simulator or how RTS games are deathsquad simulators. It seems that this only applies to a specific genre of games. Why? Because shit like cowadooty is what normalfags are most familiar with, and even then the retards who cry anb this shit won’t actually play it and will just repeat shit they heard someone else say.
>>739225657Holy kino. I need a source so I, too, can get out my sexual frustration on video game women.
>>739224964Fallout 76 already has a tripping mechanic. Not sure about the other stuff though.
>>739233591Because it doesn’t do that, it’s a game that doesn’t understand that it is a game. It only gets wanked by people who don’t play games and the studio went under after and all the devs can do is cope and say no one got it. You on the other hand use it to seethe about the state of the board since you hate everyone here but still come here to cry and completely because your autism and ego won’t let you stop.
>>739233723Anon, the point is not that the people playing the games are racist imperialists, it's that the games themselves have racist and imperialist implications and assumptions baked into them, and people do point them out in other games as well and you hate it then too. But I guess you hate Spec Ops especially because it's a game calling out games.Also, there's no difference between not understanding and not caring to understand.
>>739233804Mad projection bro
>>739233567Because u mad nigga and I find it hilarious.
>>739224837>Wait get back hereThat's not what the pretentious game would say. It'd mock him further for having killed the dog for nothing. Good job, you were willing to kill the dog for entertainment, and now you're just walking away when you should have before killing it.
>>739233827And so do the other games I mentioned but no one cries about them. Do you think it’s clever to try and act like no one understands this? Do you think playing a game with certain themes means that you agree with said themes and or even care? No, otherwise we would never get any games with any themes outside of what is deemed acceptable. Oh wait we already get that because the fags who run the industry are horrified at the prospect of someone practicing wrongthink so now shit has to be toothless and bland and antagonists either have to be retarded strawmen or just generic bad guys with no clear ideal outside of being bad guys. People get it, they just don’t care, they just want to play games. Hollering about how everyone is too dumb isn’t going to change that.
>>739224837Dragon Quest Builders 2, they make you put your friend in jail for the plot against his will and don't let you break him out.
>>739233878>>739233940How does it feel knowing that no matter how hard you cry you will always get btfo by someone you consider a retard and have to default to samefagging just to get by?
>>739231986>What happens if the players life points drop to 0In the canon of the story, when the player drops to zero HP they use their supernatural time travel god power to warp back in time to a save point and continue. The monsters CAN NOT actually hurt the character in any meaningful way, be it on purpose or on accident, except in the most superficial and temporary of ways. Saying you're "protecting yourself" is completely nonsensical, because they can't harm you unless you intentionally choose the flow of events that results in them harming you. And if you change your mind later and decide you don't want to have been harmed, you can just go back in time and make it not happen. That's why undertale works so much better than a game like The Line. You're actually choosing to be spiteful and cruel against a helpless enemy. In The Line you don't actually have any agency and are just passively consuming a story.
>>739233630You can when you only take the negative examples but ignore the regular humanitarian interventions it has done and continues to do. Which if you're trying to lead with the presumption that any foreign intervention is bad if it's from America then naturally you would ignore the times it's done positive things for other nations.
>>739234032Imagine being so mad over some dead decade old vidya you have to pull samefag card
>>739234125And the samefag crops out the parts of the post that would show that he is either phoneposting or using a browser extension. Again how does it feel to get btfo by someone you think is a retard?
>>739233993>And so do the other games I mentionedCiv has a self-aware reference to the evils of colonialism and conquest?>Do you think it’s clever to try and act like no one understands this?I don't think it's particularly clever and frankly I'm somewhat embarrassed for you that you genuinely don't seem to understand it
>>739234032Well, the same way I would if a pig managed to shit on the chessboard and flip it overIt may think it won but no one who understands chess would agreeTeaching pigs the rules of chess is still somewhat of a hobby though
>>739234225>Civ has a self-aware reference to the evils of colonialism and conquestSo again no different from the military shooters who put forth commentary but still let you destroy and kill but no one says anything or cries about it since they only know generic cowadooty games given they don’t play games and instead just cry about them and repeat what other people say. >I don't think it's particularly clever and frankly I'm somewhat embarrassed for youSo you do think it’s clever and have to act smug while saying how I totally don’t understand while being incapable of actually addressing most of what I said and instead cherry picking points you think you can argue only to not actually refute anything or even really engage. I guess I found the midwits someone mentioned before.
>>739232075Dogs are one of the worst enemy types in games.But games underestimate how much I don't give a fuck about pixels on my screen.
>>739232413>The game actively says that even ATTEMPTING to help during a crisis is wrongNo it wasn't. The point is that Walker should've radioed it in to get help. Delta Squad is literally just 3 people. You can't amass an entire humanitarian rescue operation with just 3 people that were ON FOOT. They were sent in to see if people were actually still alive, and to return with confirmation so that a rescue operation could actually be deployed. If Walker did that, everyone would've lived. Instead, he went in to try to be a hero.>that would've left the CIA to complete their plan to destroy the water and kill everyone thereby ensuring no one would know what happened in the city.Stop saying "the CIA" you secondary. You didn't play the game, so you don't know that Riggs was 100% rogue himself and was opposed by fellow agents like Gould (his actions were even more nonsensical given that the Damned 33rd were already disavowed), and even beyond that too: the operation to attack the water supply was only able to be successful because Delta Squad was there.
>>739233723This reminds me of discussion around patrick bateman and american psycho. People latch on to that character in online culture because he looks handsome, cool and makes funny expressions that are a good fit for memes. Midwits will look at that and say you don't get the character, that you were supposed to dislike him, that he isn't as cool as you imagine and yada yada, when often times people do get it, they just don't care about the implications you think are important.
>>739234280You can always tell you struck a nerve with midwits like this since they will not deny what you say but instead put on the mask of smug condescension and then write a whole paragraph that is effectively just saying “u stupid” because they think if they mask intention in metaphors it will somehow make it more profound.
>>739234431It reminds me of that one meme where there are a group of people singing Yankee Doodle and some redditor is standing to the side saying how the song is mocking them.
>>739230239>It's mainly used by retards as an excuse for being objectively wrong.That's one of the two camps I usually see it in, basic shit like "Journey to the West is Communist propaganda" or "The Canterbury Tales are anti-fascist". Analyzing stories through a modern day political viewpoint when the actual stories are so old the ideas people are trying to look at them through didn't even exist at the time.Then there's the camp of "The author should have written the story better if that's the point they were trying to get across". This is where you get your Starship Troopers arguments among others. Are the Terran Federation in the wrong? Verhoeven says that the bugs did throw the rock at Buenos Aires and plenty of people just say "That's retarded and goes against the themes, so let's ignore it". Umineko threads are another example of this in action.
>>739224837Every Bethesda game
>>739224837spec ops the line, obviously.
>>739234347Bro, what the fuck are you even talking aboutDo you even get the conversation
The issue with something like Spec Ops: The Line is that it sort of misses the target in terms of how war is experienced, and the mindset that it should attack.War is, to a western audience that is the target of this anti-war propaganda (which I use in a value free way) something that happens "over there" with the deaths on both sides being just dots and names of strangers.Cannon Fodder knew this, and it actually becomes even more relevant now as it almost looks like drone footage. It even listing the sides as "Home" and "Away" also pushes further in this, where people can watch some helpless conscript blown in half by a drone bleeding out in the mud and act like it's just a form of sports entertainment.Just don't read the names of the crosses on the hill. You might see one you recognise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QI--UHPM5s
I hold the world record speedrun of spec ops the linei start the game and then i turn it off, as the devs say it's a legit way to finish the gamecurrently sitting at 0.0000001 seconds and no one can beat meyes im trans
>>739234442>You can always tell you struck a nerve with midwits like this since they will not deny what you sayI mean, the other guy denied the accusation of samefagging and that also wasn't good enough, and I pretty much denied that you managed to "btfo" anyone by means of analogy, so what are you even talking about?You're not smart enough to be having this conversation. Call me smug if you like but you're objectively outmatched here.
>>739225384>they took it off from every digital storefrontthank heckin' g*d... now all those pixels will stay alive and I won't be a villain again
>>739233827>the games themselves have racist and imperialist implications and assumptions baked into themThe reason saying this is stupid, and calling out video game violence is also stupid, is that's completely devoid of context and nuance. ''Racism'' and ''imperalism'' in these games is equivalent to a kid dressing as a SS officer to a halloween party. People are able to find a SS uniform and fascist empires cool without feeling the need to adopt every single position Nazi germany held the next day. It's just kids having fun and it's not that deep. Likewise people kill things in shooters because it's fun, there's no real world consequences and they know it isn't actually real people. Calling them out for that, or calling out games for having killing, is like calling out kids playing with toy guns in their yard. >Look at what you did to your friend billy! you shot him with your make believe gun! What a horrible person you areIt's moronic and done by people who have a pathological need to feel smarter than everyone else despite being retards.
>>739234904I directly addressed what you said in your last post. Playing dumb because you have no counter is not going to change that. But if you want to keep going that route I’ll take this as your concession. Try to accept it with some dignity instead of crying and continuing to play dumb while either acting smug or spamming replies about how you totally don’t care.
>>739224837/v/
>>739224837im gonna call it doug.
>>739234994>I mean, the other guy denied the accusationWhich would only work if you were him, so why even bring it up? Also funny how he posted a screencap and you didn’t. >and that also wasn't good enoughWhat do you mean? I called out the method you were using to samefag and you just left it there. >and I pretty much denied that you managed to "btfo" anyone by means of analogyYou didn’t, you just cried that I was too dumb to understand and are continuing to do that because it’s all you can do outside of samefagging. >but you're objectively outmatched here.Pretending to be another person doesn’t actually mean there are more people that agree with you, but I see you are drinking your own kool-aid.
>>739225384>All these media literacy fags defending this game for years you you really were supposed to feel guilty for making the game progress.
>>739235040The idea is that it makes people susceptible to the various ideologies and philosophies of the groups. Like if you play as a Nazi in a multiplayer game you will subconsciously sympathize with them. No I am not kidding this is what people actually think, it is the fear that people will engage with media the same way they do (ie not actually enjoying it but viewing it as nothing more than a tool for conditioning and to spread propaganda) and if you don’t believe me here is everyone’s favorite gaming discussion channel to give a rundownhttps://youtu.be/H2wuBM1EQOY?si=RkD50bjdwokTqjTV
>>739234671>This is where you get your Starship Troopers arguments among others. Are the Terran Federation in the wrong? Verhoeven says that the bugs did throw the rock at Buenos Aires and plenty of people just say "That's retarded and goes against the themes, so let's ignore it".But in a case like this you still acknowledge the author and just say he's an idiot and made bad art. Not agreeing with death of the author doesn't mean I believe authors are infallible and art in inherently perfect. There's room for confusion. There's room for incompetence. I just think it means you don't get to make up your own bullshit and pretend it's just as valid as what the author's actual intent was. Paul Verhoeven has categorically stated he thinks the humans in Starship Troopers are "fascists" and in the wrong and the bugs are just defending themselves against a "colonial aggressor" and I think the film largely demonstrates that. It does start off with colonizers moving into bug territory even after being told not to and end with "It's afraid". I would actually say a major reason fro the confusion with Starship Troopers is that Paul Verhoeven completely ignored what the original author was about and just made up that it's about how fascism is great, which it's not.
>>739227518Underrated. I'm saving it
>>739231682Why is my ass so fat
>>739235040>The reason saying this is stupid, and calling out video game violence is also stupid, is that's completely devoid of context and nuance.IronicNo, man, it's precisely about the context, and how things are presented. Without context Spec Ops *is* CoD.Also, if your friend shows up to a Halloween party in a period-accurate SS uniform he "happened to have lying around" then yeah I'd also have some questions
>>739235046>I directly addressed what you said in your last post.What do you think I saidIn your own words
>>739235181>Which would only work if you were himNo, because if he denies being me then obviously I logically can't admit to being him.You're the world's most tedious autist, aren't you? I recognise this obtuse argumentation.
>>739235863Because you don't get a lot of exercise, anon. You should go out for a walk every so often. 30 minutes a day is fine. Sometimes it's nice out there.
>>739230974Arthas as a whole is treated weirdly by the writers during WoW.>Stratholme wasn't an engineered lose-lose scenario but it's Arthas' moral failure and we're not going to offer any feasible alternatives he could've taken>But we'll never mentioned that he hired mercs to burn his own ships to strand his own army then murdered them when it's an actual moral failing on his part>We're gonna treat DK Arthas as though he had full autonomy when he wiped out Lorderon, Quel'Thalas and merged with Ner'Zhul>Despite being a soulless husk with only a vague remnant of his personality rattling around there that physically can't disobey Ner'Zhul>Ignore that post-wc3 Sylvanas has no entity actively controlling her to commit atrocities and she actually has a soul, she has no agency for some reason and deserves forgiveness
>>739233419It's a based trope when done well. As in, the chatacters aknowledge it realistically. See deus ex, and also the movie "brat 1"
>>739236080>>739236136Okay so you’re just the same retard. I figured given you keep posting a minute apart (which is what outed you to begin with). >What do you think I saidHere he has to double down on playing dumb like I said he would. He has to pretend like the previous posts are not here in the thread so he can have me repeat it back to him in an attempt to deflect from the fact he cannot give a counter to what I said. This is how you know you’re dealing with someone who is incapable of arguing. >No, because if he denies being meBut you didn’t deny samefagging, and when I called you out you said “well this guy did” which doesn’t affect you on only means he did and would only work if you are also him. >You're the world's most tedious autistSays the faggot who needs to play dumb and act smug because he can’t argue on an anonymous imageboard. You immediately had to default to doing that and pretending to be other people just to have a chance and even then it immediately failed. You’re the epitome of a tedious retard. You even dropped everything else just to cry about this one point because you couldn’t argue the other shit I said. >inb4 hmm it didn’t matterTrivializing isn’t going to make it go away either.
>>739226825You must really go from your way to even have Chara as a concept
>>739236301They've been doing this to damn near all their male characters, who have either died or been made to make way for some girl boss character to take over their position. Arthas is probably the most egregious version when not only do they keep going back to shit on him, they still refuse to acknowledge that both Jaina and Uther failed him at the most crucial time he needed them. Meanwhile as you said, Slyvanas gets to do actual warcrimes with full autonomy and control of her senses and she gets a pass....and she's done multiple war crimes against both the Horde and the Alliance. Someone on the staff must be thirsting hard for undead elf pussy.
>>739225457>the author's opinion is irrelevant>but if you disagree with me, you're stupid and illiterateDoesn't really hold up, either you want the work to speak for itself and our interpretations are equally valid and have to be defended or you appeal to authority and hold an objective truth and call everyone who doesn't get it stupid.If people who don't understand it have brain damage, then "understanding it" has to be the author's vision.
>>739224837Always, anywhere, forever, some self-insertfag is mad about specs op
>>739226825This was my biggest gripe about Undertale.It was advertised as a game where you don't have to fight anyone. But when I played the demo I thought it was setting up a story about the nature of conflict and how, like it's battles, things are pretty black and white. You have two choices Fight or Flee. And then were going to be times, like the Asgore Battle, where the second choice just wouldn't work. When do you have to switch? When is it okay to defend yourself? What do you do if you CAN'T convince your enemy into peace?But no. Everyone is goofy. Everyone le matters. If you get some random fuck in the woods, even if they are someone everyone universally hates, you're the devil. After finding a way to spare Toriel, the game was painfully obvious that you shouldn't actually fight Papyrus. I thought Undyne was going to be that block that makes you consider what choices you have in an unrelenting force that can't be talked down. After I found out how to spare her it was obvious to get the true ending you just needed to spare everyone.
>>739236424>Okay so you’re just the same retard. I figured given you keep posting a minute apartAh, so you're the same retard. I couldn't tell because those were separate conversations.Oh wait shit I mean I fell for your devious samefagging ploy.Now tell me what you think I said and I can judge how much your reply made sense. You're definitely the fucking retard I'm thinking of
>>739230113>The Death of the Author is completely right and I don't know why people have such a hateboner for itBecause the "media literacy" people have no media literacy and need to be told what to think. If you tell them that starship troopers fails to show humans in a negative light and in fact shows they're completely justified in killing the bugs, they'll start crying "b-but verhoeven said they were wrong!". If you tell them everything in the game suggests Helldivers are elite shock troopers that are capable of capturing entire regions in small squads of 4 or less people, the complete opposite of an expendable grunt, they'll start crying" b-but arrowhead said it's le grunt fantasy". If you tell them Anno is a fucking hack that lost the plot and no longer knows what made Eva good, they'll start crying "b-but anno said he hates otaku" - this being especially funny because no one can name a source for this claim, it never happened. But they imagined the author saying that and it agreed with what they think, so it must be rightThey cannot analyse the media, they cannot argue their opinions, and so they simply decry the author intent as absoluteWhen you point out that the author could fail to translate his thoughts into the work or that an individual could interpret it directly because of difference in personal experience or views (like how Apocalypse Now has people who claim it's anti-war and people who claim it's pro-war) it shatters their one argument that supported their believed superiority over others for being "media literate"
>>739224837Oh shit, this game has enemy step? And I can dash cancel after! This game is awesome!
>>739224837Far Cry 3. Worst in the series. Brown IQ dudebro will defend this coz they like edge shit. FC2 was like this too.
>>739224837hasn't happened yet. if you felt personally addressed by spec ops: the line it's because you have a learning disability
>>739237819>Ah, so you're the same retardSo you’re just going to repeat what I said and try to make it seem like you’re the one who figured it out? >couldn't tell because those were separate conversationsIt really is telling that you will lampoon yourself like this just to try and make arguing a pain. >Now tell me what you think I said You know what you said and what I said about it because I directly quoted the part which I addressed. But since you can’t argue that you need to play dumb. >You're definitely the fucking retard I'm thinking ofHow many threads have you done this in? Do you just make threads here and then go full retard and when people notice you cry about them? Are you the one who spams these threads trying to defend spec ops? Jesus you’re one of those autists who seethes for years about getting btfo and just keeps making the same threads with the same arguments all to try and prove how you weren’t wrong but keeps running into the same wall. You ever heard of the definition of insanity?
>>739237857To play devil's advocate here, with at least the Verhoeven thing as well as the moronic Swedes both of them made works that depict the opposite of what they intended, and both seem to be oblivious to it. Verhoeven wanted to make a movie that, in his own words, shows how "war makes fascists of us all" but the actual narrative of the film shows that no, the bugs attacked first and were more than willing to kill civilians in the millions to get rid of some intergalactic competition. For Helldivers, the Swedes want to depict Super Earth and the Helldivers as the bad guys, but then go and make automatons who adorn themselves in the skulls of their victims while also using human blood for various reasons, and the bugs are a serious ecological threat whenever they break out of their farms and immediately kill any flora and fauna that isn't related to themselves. Now the Illuminate have returned and their primary forces are horribly mutated SE citizens and are wholly intent on wiping out humanity as well. Both fail to understand that the narrative as shown completely justifies the humans regardless of what they intended. Which is more a failure on the authors part to convey their messaging without unintentionally making the thing they're criticizing actually make sense and/or look awesome.
>>739225868>"b-b-but it's just a game!"The fact that the specs op guy argues like your average /v/ shitposter is wild
>>739226337pretty much all multiple choice gamesit's why i hate them because the moral compass belongs to the devs and usually they're fucking retards when it comes to sociology
>>739227518based dog-bane
Death of the Author IS right but it doesn't automatically prove the author wrong either, his opinion is still as valid as any other, at the very least.Like for Spec Ops, going on about how people who say X are complete idiots who don't understand the author's brilliant work and then when the author says "no they got it right" turning around and saying "nuh uh, death of the author" just makes you look like a mongoloid. Maybe make a stronger case than "you lack le media literacy, you're le stupid" first before you attempt to discard the author's opinion.
>>739224837>gamers feel personally attacked for carrying out a script for a thought exercise Damning. Not to mention both your desire for progression and the false impasse are merely literary devices here. And all of a sudden you act like you won’t put yourself in the head of a murderer for the sale of playing as or experiencing what it means to be one
>>739238721>gamersGCJtroon spotted
>>739224837Modern WoW
>>739238709Take it or leave it really, ‘death of the author’ is just a function, not a principle. Trade author’s endorsement of your interpretation for what you find to be a higher value personal interpretation, easy. Then you can flip the switch in your mind as often as you want, in fact I just switched between calling William Blake my master and a total retard 30 times in one second just for the thrill
>>739225657I remember playing this on Kongregate like a million years ago, what name?
>>739226656>actual ESL tries to correct someonehe is using the verb form, which is passed, not the noun form, see how he is describing an action?so even though its in the present tense not the past tense (which is also passed) the fact it is a verb means you would use passed not past.what kind of retard confuses a verb for a preposition? and then tries to correct someone without even knowing the differencelollmao even
How about you quit searching for THE answer? You here talking like ‘death of the author’ has to be a fact or a lie or anything literary has only one purpose (even if the author claims so). I’m telling you stop hurting yourself trying to ‘answer’ a video game, i mean what are you doing
>>739224837still buckbroken after all these years by KINO THE LINE
>>739238238>just to try and make arguing a painThis coming from you lmaoYou are honestly beyond parody>You know what you said and what I said about it because I directly quoted the part which I addressed. Hey, genius, that's why I asked you to repeat it in your own words, so I can identify the gap in your understanding. Imagine if you had understood the prupose of such a common-sense request and had just done it instead of endlessly bitching about the machination of the evil samefag army arrayed against you. Christ almighty.>How many threads have you done this in?Again, coming from you? lol
‘Death of the Author’ yeah I’d like to kill the guy wrote that
>>739224837Honestly I think the non-meta plot of Spec Ops is really good, it's just the meta shit that sucks massive ass.
It's funny how a citybuilder game gets morality better than all of these gamesNobody forces you to do bad stuff in Frostpunk. You don't NEED to send children to the coal mine. You dont NEED to declare yourself the holy decider of all that is true and right. You don't NEED to re-estabilish serfdom. You CAN do it, however, because it makes the game easier. If you suck at it, you might just die otherwise, but at no point are you forced to. All the speedruns of the game are marked with things like no radical laws, no deaths, etc, etc. The immoral actions are a crutch brought on by a need for survival. If you're running out of a resource you need to survive, well, nobody's going to stop the game and call you a bastard for making children help...it's just necessary.The only thing the game does, and people did make fun of it for this, was literally just asking>but was it worth itIf you sign the absolutely insane batshit laws that do stuff like execute a person at random every day for the sake of control and propaganda.
>>739239307>following orders because its like a game to you leads to catastrophe, don’t treat life like a game like you were meant to do hereOh no! Is he saying I lost points?
Every spec ops the line thread has a faggot going "it wasnt meant to criticize the player!" and the mere fact that the loading screen "tips" exist proves them wrong but they continue posting their reddit drivel anyway. This happens EVERY SINGLE THREAD
>>739239108>This coming from youIs this just going to be you crying how I am some other guy who is most likely not even a guy but a bunch of people who you think are the same because they noticed how you act like a retard when you can’t argue? >Hey, genius, that's why I asked you to repeat it in your own wordsBecause you can’t argue what I said and need to keep trying to deflect and avoid giving a counter because you can’t. >so I can identify the gap in your understandingThere is no gap in understanding, you’re trying to play dumb and avoid the topic while slowly giving up on more and more. So you have to pretend that I don’t get it while begging me to explain what it is you think I don’t get even though if i actually didn’t or was missing something you would have been able to deduce and call it out based on the post I made. Again you’re just trying to avoid giving a counter argument. Stop being a tedious retard. >Again, coming from youThank you for admitting you have been doing this shit for years and seething at anyone who calls you out. Take your meds and go back to whatever shithole you crawled here from.
>>739239363Its not meant to be an indictment of your choices or a grading of your behavior, its meant to be a demonstration of one terrible path people can take
>>739239307and the gameplay is mediocre
>>739239426lmao it is youThank you for conceding I guess
>>739239423You mean the suggestive rhetorical questions within a fiction?
>>739239423It’s just one retard who has been doing this shit for years. He is one of the many spergs who can’t handle being wrong and has to keep making the same thread over and over to cope.
>>739239363>What if we just chose the perfectly morally good solution tho
I actually phosphorous bombed a civilian hospital and I’m not going to let a video game about that handle me with baby gloves
>>739239465You already conceded over an hour ago. Now you’re just showing you have nothing and are giving up while masking it behind smug condescension like you did before. You were wrong, get over it.
>>739225868There's more nuance to the choice to destroy the heretic Geth or alter their code in ME2 than most of Spec Ops though, even if BioWare went with giving Paragon points for basically brainwashing an entire subfaction of a foreign entity. That would've been better having no Renegade/Paragon option.
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>>739239524>perfectly goodBut it's not. You need to be genuinely good at the game to NOT pass the bad laws. Unless you're playing on easy baby mode, you will utterly struggle if you don't pass hard laws.Child labour might be bad, but it's extremely strong in allowing you to get a bigger labour force.
>>739239483>You meanIf you have to start sentences like this you have already lost
>>739239363Soup
>>739239658You know, if you keep surrendering your position in the argument like that over distractions, you’ll never get anywhere
>>739239572>You already conceded over an hour ago.lmao
>>739239623I thought you could get through Fuga without needing to kill a child?
>>739225457I don't know if I understand this concept.Does it argue that the text is not the author telling a story or idea, but instead just a response to another text and to understand the text you must understand what it is responding too?
>>739239838horrible things happen to them regardless of your actions, they get "reversed" though.
>>739226584Imagine missing the point of the game so hardAlso high chaos is pretty hard to reach if you don't go full open combat only
>>739239807Impotently seething at reality while trying to pretend you don’t care. Just like I said you would.
>>739239785I am not the chump you are arguing with
>>739239690The game doesn't actually call you bad for using that. But yes, it's a bit stupid. Can easily be negated by giving them some booze althoughbeit.
>>739239971Wow what a fuckin own
>>739238832ive always looked at it like designing a puzzle that ends up being so obtuse that nobody other than the creator is realistically able to solve. Misinterpretation is sort of inherent in anything that isnt explicitly direct (and even then you can still have people not get it) however, after a certain point if the argument that youre trying to make is wrapped in so many layers of metaphor and diffusion that you have to hang out with the author at least twice a week irl to fully understand then i think its fair to say that you have failed to get your point across and no amount of >NONONO THE AUDIENCE JUST DIDN'T GET ITcope and seethe changes the fact that you made something that presents completely differently than what was intended.
>>739239995I was just memeing it desu
>>739234408I don't hate dog in real life, at least no more than any other pet. I'm just not a big a fan of animals.But I fucking love killing dogs in games. The sound of vicious barking turning into a sharp, pathetic whimper or squeal as they die tickles this little part of my brain that is so close to the same one that activates when I cum, they're practically roommates. You've got to have both sounds though. Barking is just annoying, and the dying squeal, I wouldn't say it makes me feel guilty if it isn't preluded by barking, but it just doesn't do anything for me.I think MGS3 has the best dog killing noises. The growl that lets you know you've been spotted, the barking to alert others, the perfect loud and sharp squeal. It's got it all.
>>739239949Projection bruv
The game is actually completely correct and your anger proves this. Can’t even be told you digital blew up digital civilians in tour digital war crime simulation for recreational purposes when it happens, can you? Perhaps the orders you love to follow should have said ‘dont worry kid ill take the heat for this one you’re the best’. Something strnage happens when we lose the support of our commander, doesnt it? We follow every order but when the order is ‘think about what we’re doing’ we go apeshit? No really, think about that
>>739225657Fucking kekd
>>739239995booze is such a great choice because both ingame & IRL it helps cope with a lot of things, sure some people can't control themselves but such people would fuck themselves up with something else anyway
>>739240049Thats called writing and its an act of collective conciousness. Stop trying to ‘solve’ books. Yes they have intended meaning but who reads books to think only exactly what the author did?
>>739240073To be fair, it's not supposed to be some nice hearty soup you can get, but victorian workhouse water liquid. There's zero spices whatsoever. Depending on what you use the soup is either gonna have like a single morsel of dried meat or literal moss (in small quantities, too)And this is what you eat after a 10 hour shift of back-breaking manual labour in the mines in the freezing cold.
>>739240182>no uAutism
Guys the commander ordered you to think about what you did. What, you don’t follow his orders anymore? AWOL are we?
>>739225491Undertale
>>739240259Yes I am aware it’s mostly just water and woodshavings. It’s just funny to think of people rioting over soup when shit like child labor is occurring.
>>739240267You're going to keep responding aren't youThat's because you're actually seethingProve me wrong, or don't; I'm going to show you how it's done
>>739225868>all that shitlel, brown
>>739240205If you were being realistic the booze would lead to deaths. Not because of drunk retards wandering into the snow, though that could be a risk, but because alcohol makes you vulnerable to frost.It's true! Alcohol makes you feel warm by extending your blood veins, so they feel closer to the skin. The issue is that it makes you lose heat easier. You drink alcohol you'll feel warm while you're cold as shit and then before you know it frostbite.No such thing in the game though, literally no reason not to take it. Completely positive law.
>>739240326You keep responding to me and you gave up arguing the actual point to samefag and play dumb. So yeah you are seething.
>>739234101>It's ok for people to murder you against your will if you have the ability to respawnWhy do you think this is a good argument?I also want to add that the monsters in Undertale don't know about the player's time traveling mechanics. They're genuinely being aggressive. It doesn't matter if you want to act like the player is some sort of god-like figure and therefore the monster's actions are so beneath them that their actions don't mean anything, they're still acting maliciously.There's no deep story here or anything. Undertale is just acting as a typical RPG game and it's normal for random shit to attack you because otherwise you wouldn't have a game. I would say that it means it's dumb to argue that Undertale is a worse because things attack you and that conflicts with the story, but at the same time acting like there's some sort of grand narrative here is just as stupid.
‘The only order I ever refused was to take personal responsibility’Get it?
>>739240318It's victorian england anon, the fact that anyone even complains about child labour makes zero sense in the first place unless you assume the people from New London are all from the middle class.
>>739240450I am not assuming anything, I am just having fun with an absurd situation of a bunch of people in a frozen wasteland.
>>739240049As a person who reads and understands William S Burroughs, there is no better feeling than piecing together and completing someone else’s completely alien way of communicating, and finally being able to understand in their language. I can tell you exactly what every word of either ‘Uranian Willy’ chapters from his cut-up trilogy. Pull up a chapter or recording of that, listen, and let me tell you the distance between total confusion and total clarity of comprehension, is not only travelable but its insanely rewarding to do so
>>739225384this used to be my take but then someone confirmed the devs intention were for players to really actually be immersed in the walker character with zero separationwhich i find extremely low iq
>>739224837>Fuck this. I'm gonna go play something elseIf you do this then the game won
>>739241772>the devs intention were for players to really actually be immersed in the walker character with zero separationI don't think that's true.I remember reading an interview with the writer and they talked about the game being misinterpreted as being anti-gamer, anti-war, anti-America, etc. and none of that was their intention. They said they were just trying to have a story that gave a realistic depiction of the atrocities of war and demonstrated that the best of intentions can lead to some very bad outcomes. They referred to things like usually in video games the player is presented with choices that are clearly "good" or "bad" and the outcomes are exactly as expected. They wanted a game where the choices are not so clear cut and the consequences can be far removed from what was hoped for.
/v/ won
>>739225657Name?
>>739225384>you killed the heckin ragheads, do you feel like a hero yet?I felt nothing because mudslimes aren't people
>>739225657Will we ever know the name of this?
>>739225457Do anonymous message boards guarantee death of the author?
>>739230517>that imageVideo game journalist detected
>>739242779IIRC they said their goal was just to get the player to think, which, well... I guess they severely overestimated gamers
>>739229141The work is critical of you, dingus
>>739229152>complains that you can't play darkside>also complains you can't murder non-hostile combatantsYou contradict yourself.Additionally, by the time of the first level of Jedi: Survivor, the protagonist openly admits to himself that he's a terrorist.
>>739225457>intertextualityDo those get their own pride flag too?
>>739243612that's Piero Scaruffi, one of the greatest Opinion Havers of all time
>>739224837>fuck this, i'm gonna go play something else>wait! get back here!you don't get it, the pretentious game WANTED you to go play something else instead of killing the dog. you chose to kill it, you vile monster. reflect on your actions.
>>739229501All invented in the 18th century alongside the invention of copyright. Big publishing doesn't want you to know!
>>739240390There's also the opposite cases, where people who've been stranded in cold kept drinking strong alcohol until rescue arrived or reached shelter. They survived without frostbites.
>>739224837Real Life.
>>739232685Right, and who started both world wars again?
>>739243348>>739242924Edmund, 2009 game
>>739244107>Yeah well you're GERMANBit of a gamble isn't it
>>739243884That's a fair point.I don't think there will be 'proper' criticism of rock until we have reviewers who were born after the first few generations of the music were released. Of course critics who grew up during Beetlemania would think that was the greatest shit ever.
>>739235863that is NOT (You), that's exactly the point of the comic!
>>739237857What you're describing is not a failure of media literacy, it's the artist/creator failing to capture their message. It's less so the artists message being co-opted and distorted and more-so them inadvertently shilling for the very thing they are proclaiming to be railing against. This is not an appeasement towards Death of the Author, it's the inverse; it's the author failing to convince the audience.
>>739231368>liking women is gayI can't imagine being as mind-raped as you are.
>>739231682>>739225384
>>739231682thanks doc
>>739244192More-so just broadly being European, since Europeans are fucking idiots that regularly got into unnecessary pedantic wars for the last 1500 years after Rome fell trying to leech off the fragments of the fallen empire, until America showed up and tard-wrangled them. If Europe was still in charge of things you'd be having wars of not importing enough niggers to rape your children.Oh, wait, that's EXACTLY what's happening in Ukraine.
>>739231993imagine them moans
>>739226197The story is really cool and it is helped by the fact the authors completely failed to impart their retarded message to the player.It's legitimately one of my favorite games, but I also really like cover shooters.
>>739244670Is this really what they tell Americans about Ukraine on Fox News?
>>739244670>american education
>>739243495
>>739224837>Wait! Get back here!The devs already have their sale, does it really matter to them if you keep playing or not?
>>739224837NOOOOOO I'M NOT EVILI'M A GOOD PERSON I NEVER WANTED TO RAPE HER NOOOOOOOOOO YOU MADE ME DO ITFUCK YOUUUUU
>>739244994I did not rape her, I did not. Oh hi Mark!
>>739244895>>739244934
>>739244994Anon, you are the real victim!You were raped as well.
>>739244670Even the most depraved european noble is a better leader than any puritan american bourgeois.The golden kings will return soon
>>739243884>Scaruffi
>>739244107Kikes?
>>739244670>fucking idiots that regularly got into unnecessary pedantic warsWhat do you think your country is doing right now, and have been doing for the past century?>you'd be having wars of not importing enough niggers to rape your children.Oh I get it, you're projecting.
>>739235040>''Racism'' and ''imperalism'' in these games is equivalent to a kid dressing as a SS officer to a halloween party. People are able to find a SS uniform and fascist empires cool without feeling the need to adopt every single position Nazi germany held the next day. It's just kids having fun and it's not that deep.My culture is not your costume, Amerikaner!
>>739245041>Wait, I got it... you're FRENCHI get the feeling you don't really understand the concept of EuropeWe laugh at the French more than you
>>739245194He's american, he thinks Europe is a country.
>>739225384If Spec Ops the Line was released today, people on /v/ would be screaming that it's a woke game or go woke go broke or whatever.
>>739225298>Why can't you pretend you're not the character you're playing as!?Huh... Isn't that the whole point of videogames? To play as a character? Go read a book fuck face
>>739245194>>739245276You still don't get it do you? All of you Europeans act and think the same, just with different accents. You're all overly entitled narcissists living in the ruins that better men than you built, and you have an inferiority complex because you're ruled over internationally by someone you consider to be beneath you. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically sad. >>739245127Killing mudslimes, yes, rightfully so, kill all mudslime ape-nigger sand muppets.>you're projecting
>>739245476>All of you Europeans act and think the same, just with different accents. You're all overly entitled narcissists living in the ruins that better men than you built, and you have an inferiority complex because you're ruled over internationally by someone you consider to be beneath you.Thanks for the confirmation that you're projecting your insecurities on europeans.
>>739245604Americans are forever insecure about the fact that their entire country is a product of EuropeWell, that and Africa
>>739245604Thanks for the attempt at gaslighting.
>>739230920Superhot was even more whiney and overt. The game creators pretend like they tricked you into becoming enslaved and that you have to promote the game to escape. I just straight up laughed.
>>739224949It's funny how effortlessly Papers, Please delivers what those retards though Spec Ops thought it could. Just let the player do their choices and let the player figure out the consequences of them.
>>739245734>Americans are forever insecure about the fact that their entire country is a product of EuropeThat's some top tier coping. We are well aware of our European origin. But we are not "Europeans". We're better than you. We're just too nice to say it directly to you.
>>739245910You missed the point.
>>739230974>>739236301>>739236742>Arthas is beyond evil and should be raped and killed forever because he had to burn a village to stop a plague from killing everyone>Sarah Kerrigan is a heckin chungus good girl who deserves redemption and a happy ending, despite her masturbating to the thought of violently murdering hundreds of billions of people in starcraft^ same writers by the way.
>>739230920Mind control delete was funny.>you like this? Well here’s so much you’ll hate it eventually!>w-why are you still p-playing
>>739245751You're literally projecting all your flaws on some imaginery "Europe" country that only exist in your country retarded propaganda, pretending that there's no difference between France, Bulgaria and Finland is like saying there's no difference between New York and Argentina.
>>739245940>We are well aware of our European origin. But we are not "Europeans".Also every American:>Uhhh yeah I'm IRISH, I'm GERMAN, look at me, top of duh mawrning, learnt that one from mah grandpoppy haw haw
>>739246169>Uhhh yeah I'm IRISH, I'm GERMAN, look at me, top of duh mawrning, learnt that one from mah grandpoppy haw hawReminds me of the ameritard who went to Ireland and was really upset nobody was showering him in praise for being part Irish.
>>739225457he said that shortly after the game came out retard
>>739246054Spec Ops-devs simply failed at the execution and got mogged by a solo indie dev.
>>739245276>He's american>he thinksKek
>>739229501They’re silent names attached to preserved works, not actual entities that anyone can define as characters/people.
>>739225384>"You see this game you paid for? You should stop playing it, that's the point!!">his face when the option to refund the game is availableI wonder why this sort of nonsense isn't done anymore.
>>739225457Death of the Author is only a real argument when the author changes their mind well after the work has been made.>Oh uhm, yeah so Whitepeopleshouldbemurdered.com is actually a website about how freedom and happiness is great and please god don't use this as evidence in any future trials which could lead to my tortureNah I think you're just making shit up.
>>739246403Papers, Please is great. But it's attempting something else entirely.
>>739226487>And the result is a game that only tells you to feel bad about playing it if you're a neanderthal that can't separate your hands holding the controller from the little man on the screen.You aren't separate at all. The little man can't do anything at all unless you make him do it.
>>739246642It's amazing how many gamers - and particularly Spec Ops haters - don't understand this obvious fact about video games.
>>739243635If anything, it worked out, just not to the scale that they expected. I have more respect to the outragers than the people who weren't bothered by the game calling you out because they understood the game more.
>>739224837We can settle this age old question very quickly: If a game forces your character to suck another man's cock, without you being able to do anything about it, does it makes you, the player, gay?
>>739225298It doesn't work on any level. Not for the character in question, who is acting like a complete fucking retard for the entire game with all military RoEs, ethics, morality, and common sense thrown out the window. And not for the meta conversations, which ARE clear intended directions for the game's messaging but fall apart ubder any scrutiny.SOTL is possumshit.
>>739231792>this point about undertale is subverted by the fact that the "players" ability to time travel is completely canon and the player is pretty much a god in the game settingThis argument doesn't work because the monsters are not in fact aware of this. As far as they're concerned they're just trying to tear a small child to pieces, and in fact the player still has the ability to feel pain lmao.Being immortal does not mean people are justified in ripping you to pieces.
>>739246624Death of the author is always a real argument because you have no way of knowing if the author changed their mind or not. The most famous artists knew full goddamn well to never talk about their inspirations, influences, or their intentions with a work, as the mystery is what drove people to give the art their attention and attempt to figure out what it meant.
>>739245751something I learned very recently is that 95%+ of the money given to Israel (and 100% within 2 years) is required to be spent on arms purchased from US companiesso pretty much all of that aid is a subsidy for american weapons manufacturing
>>739246768You willingly kept watching men sucking dicks despite being able to turn the game off at any moment and then claim you aren't gay?Sure thing buddy
>>739225298it's le epin bait they have been ritual posting for fifteen (15) fucking years
>>739246719>hey game did x>wow that’s stupid>you’re an outrager
>>739225657finally a game for indians
>>739246934>missing potentially critical information
>>739239363>The only thing the game does, and people did make fun of it for this, was literally just askingPeople make fun of it because child labor was a thing at the time, and the game tries moralfagging about something that EVERYONE WAS DOING at the time.Go ahead and make a 1700's game which says the players are somehow inferior for allowing slavery, that makes TOTAL sense.
>>739247205>calling out immoral acts is wrong because a lot of people are doing it
>>739247265morality is a construct of society retard
>>739247051What kind of video game makes you unable to close it/alt-tab to something else/turn your eyes away/turn the PC off/pull out your monitor/smash your monitor/_______________(underline or write in the correct option) until the blowjob scene ends?
>>739247205There have always been people opposed to slavery.
>>739247265>He posted, on his chinese slave labor device>Wearing chinese slave labor clothes>To a website regularly posting baby monkey torture videos>While willingly allowing a zionist jewish-supremacist government to rule himWhat did he mean by this?
>>739247265>incapable of viewing history through anything other than a modern lens
>>739247385You are massively gay for owning funko pops
>>739247382And there's been even more who agree with it. What's your point?
>>739247385well see, those things are still immoral even though a lot of people do them and would get defensive about it and make excuses to justify it, or avoid even thinking about it altogetheryou really just proved the point
>>739247510I wouldn't taunt someone using such things to simply survive a fucking global super-freeze.
>>739239363Frostpunk have the problem where there's not really a reason to do "bad things" beside making your life easier, even always picking all the "good" choices never really put you in a bad position, so when the game chastice you for>Was it worth it?It's just kinda silly because, yeah, I choose to do bad things on purpose.Even sillier because you can't really go back on your decision because lmao why not.Survival is quite literally a situation where "You must do [bad thing] or else you all die" is a perfectly viable.Even fucking Fable 3 tried to explain the idea, that sometime survival requires doing horrible thing, but they fucked it up completely by giving you an infinite amount of time so you can just say no to all the bad choices and grind the money in your free time.
>>739247354not even the staunchest moral relativist will claim morality is defined by majority consensus.t. the staunchest moral relativist
>>739247553>Was it worth it?Was it worth keeping everyone in a higher standard of heating, health, safety and even allowing a lot of them to outright not work due to automatons?Yes, yes it was worth it. Having big scary searchtowers and fascist banners everywhere is well worth total objective benefit to survival.
>>739247550the reason some early civilizations practiced human sacrifice was because, as hunter gatherers, sometimes it was necessary if they couldn't find enough food. eventually they would be able to find/produce enough food, but would still practice human sacrifice, because they forgot why they originally did it, and only remembered the results, or even just the fact their ancestors did it and survived, therefore they must also. The point the game is making is about how short term solutions can provide immediate results, but those solutions have a tendency to become long term practices with diminishing returns, due to how difficult it would be to cease the practice, if only just because "our ancestors did it" is enough reason for most people.
>>739247385another seething, poor brownoid subhuman.
>>739247429a lot of people were against slavery during the height of the triangle tradeare you saying that they were wrong to have that belief back then?
>>739247610Of course it is you fucking mong, why do you think chinks are societally comfortable with cheating? And why jeets are societally comfortable with gangrape?
>>739247912because they can pull the "but x is doing it too" card and feel vindicated, because there's no authority figure to punish them.
>>739224837New Vegas bounties 3
>>739247993wow it's almost like their morality is relative to the societal norms they live in
>half the thread is about how bad and evil Americans aresome Iranian leader got killed again, huh?
>>739247889no but only because slavery usually imports foreigners which is catastrophic on its own, especially if slavery gets abolished in a country and they dont send them back.
>>739248041feeling vindicated isn't being vindicated. jumping off cliffs, etc.
>>739245465No? Who the fuck pretends they are the character? Fucking loser
>>739248056jews imported niggers to america so american law enforcement would be so distracted by the antics of niggers they wouldn't notice the antics of jews
>>739248156they are literally being vindicated by norms. I don't know what you think morality is defined by, some religious text maybe, but that text is only used because it is the societal norm in that area
what if i DO want to kill that dog but the game doesnt let me?
>>739248312>I don't know what you think morality is defined bydo unto others as you'd have others do unto you, is a good baseline.
>>739244425>This is not an appeasement towards Death of the Author, it's the inverse; it's the author failing to convince the audience.You're not making any sense. If we disregard the death of the author then the author's intent overrules everything else and their failure to articulate themselves suddenly doesn't matter. Death of the author holds authors accountable, that's why it's a good thing. If the author wants to convince the audience of a certain viewpoint then that's the author's job, not the audience's. What the author "intended" to do is irrelevant if they didn't actually do it.
>>739248332Honestly I want to do that all the time in video games, because they're always>cheap subtitute for an actual companion (with added bonus of constantly getting in the way)>cheap emotional manipulation>deus ex machinaMind you, I love dogs IRL but it's really fucking retarded at this point.
>>739225384why didn't they stop developing it :^)
>>739248420so it was a religious text you chose as that is a Bible quote. unfortunately if you live in a place with a different text you get different morals
>>739225457Barthes' argument had merit in his time, but we now live in an age where an author does not relinquish control of a work once released.If the author feels unsatisfied with some aspect of their work, or doesn’t like how people are interpreting or discussing some part of it, they can reach out across the internet and FORCIBLY CHANGE it.The author doesn’t die until they are literally dead now.
>>739248490>implying the bibble invented that concept
>>739248529no but it enforces a societal norm until overtaken by a different one
>>739248493unless you're talking about patching a game or somesuch bullshit, that isn't the case at all.
Is pokemon satanic animal cruelty?
>>739248613it is cruelty to satanic animals which makes it virtuous
>>739248578No, it really doesn't. do unto others is a pretty fundamental part of being human. but muh bibble did pretend to have invented a lot of the intrinsic aspects of being human, so now we have people like (you), mindbroken and rejecting fundamental truths because they got printed in a book that child rapists will read from.
>>739248707look man, the Chinese will cheat and kill each other to get ahead. they probably wouldn't want the same done to them, but they will take any advantage presented. it's a societal expectation for them now. the golden rule has been superceded by decades of conditioning. it would be silly to think your own moral code is somehow any more absolute than someone else's.
>>739248493They also die when they sell their story to a soulless corporation and watch as their creation gets raped to death.
>>739225384See, this is all coming from some midwitted belief that writers who don't really play games have, that people play games to be "the hero".No, dude. You play them because they're fun. Because they're mechanically satisfying or artistically novel. No one who is sitting playing a multiplayer FPS for thousands of hours thinks they're "the hero". No more than playing a game of Monopoly is heroism. It's a game, stupid. No one who is sitting playing Resident Evil or Silent Hill is doing it to be "the hero". They're doing it because it's eerie, and adrenaline pumping, and the games present puzzles that are satisfying to solve. In fact THE most popular video game is a game where you are explicitly the bad guy, and everyone gets it.
>>739248856>THE most popular video game is a game where you are explicitly the bad guyRoblox?
>>739248931Yes, that too.
>>739248806if cheating requires trust, and no one trusts anyone, then cheating no longer works, and also there's no trust.A small child will realize why this is a societal expectation in a country with over a billion "people" that is largely third world.
>>739248707>do unto others is a pretty fundamental part of being humanlmao try going to africa
>>739249079>b-but what about the s-subhumans
>>739249045sure, but that doesn't contradict my point that their morals are a result of their culture and not something universal or inherent to being human
>>739248610I am talking about precisely that. Patches are automatic, and forced if the game has an online component.You can keep ahold of the pre-updated version, but 99% of people won’t, and any content added later will be divorced from it.
>>739248726>Wait a minute... I don't have to buy the game!>Where you going? This is a perfectly good moment to throw your money away!
>>739248856And to add, you see a game like Spec Ops: the Line, and it's very clear what it is. It's a person looking in on video games from the outside, seeing military shooters, and saying "Oh my god guys, don't you know war is bad? Don't you know killing people is bad? Don't you know?".Yes, stupid. Everyone knows. It's you that failed to read the room, not the "gamers".Fucking patronizing ass.
>>739245751>NK gets bout two fiddy>for it's entire starving population
>people still the spec ops the line was talking to them lol
>>739249147>proves he's dumber than a small childchina's cheating "culture" is a top down edict to ensure chinese citizens do not trust each other, because that makes them easier to control. its the type of immoral solution that would belong at the end of some frostpunk technology/policy tree. As lack of trust also stifles innovation and removes reasons to maybe improve things.
>>739249431The presumptuousness of the writers is pretty clear.
>>739249417>Give NK money for food>They turn around and use it to try and blow up SK
>>739249431see>>739246642
>>739249469is Indias gang rape culture also a top down edict to make them more easily controlled or is that just a moral failure at the most fundamental level of their beings?
No one in this thread should be allowed near a voting booth.
>>739249610that's just humans acting like animals. hoped you stopped talking about it because your realized it wasn't relevant, as nature is defined by amorality.
>>739239363it's not even "bad stuff", it's just numbers on a screenmorality only exists between human beings, not electronic photons and sound waves
>>739246057I doubt they are the same writers
>>739230239You arent wrong about it being misused by midwits but>There is only "the truth" and death of the author is antithetical to that.Is absolutely bullshit and extremely binary, conflicting interpretations can still be true. A good example is the film Elite Squad. The audience can either interpret BOPE as being justifiable in their violence or grossly negligent. The "truth" depends entirely on your life experience which leads to you to interpreting the work differently. A lot of retards these days have trouble understanding that different people will have different political/religious outlooks based off of their own personal life experiences. This causes issues when these same unempatheic retards believe their own views or "truths" to be the moral standard whilst those who dont share them are evil and morally appalling. You see this happen all the time online, people gloating over anothers death in comment sections because they had a political affiliation/religion that was against their "truth".
>>739249761>enter booth>one voting option available: vote for Hitler>you can either vote for Hitler, or turn around and leaveWow, am I a bad person?
>>739250082Someone is trying to make you feel guilty about something, that much is for sure.
>>739250082
>>739250082>he voted for Hitler or refused to voteYou are a terrible person.
>>739250932>influence lost: kreia
>>739224837Stanley Parable
>>739250082Yes, if you didn't vote for Hitler you are a bad person.
>>739250932Yes, if you opt out, you give the win to Hitler...Bad person.
>>739250986To be fair, when Stanley Parable does it, it's taking the piss.
Super Mario 64
>>739249125>t-these humans don't count
>>739251245I mean...
>>739245508descartes comic edits are my favorite meme resurgence
>>739251148yes but its still doing it and its still dogshitits such a reddit tier "game"
>>739233723Anon its not that confusing, the difference between FPS and other genres is literally just the first person perspective. To a normie, games like CIV look like a computer board game, and first person shooters look like terrorist training simulators where you're trying to make kids feel like THEY'RE the shooter. I also recognize that this line of thinking is largely retarded, but surely you can see where the first person perspective changes things
>>739252029yeah, a lot of it is a consequence of people not playing video games.You get a shooter in your hands for five seconds, and it's very clear it's a game, with mechanics, and scoring mechanics. May as well be tennis. That's the part of the brain it taps into. The part that likes having fun in some kind of simulated competition.But people who don't play games look over and spit out their coffee, because they think Junior is participating in some kind of interactive snuff film.
>>739234431people latch onto Bateman, because he's funny, and the movie is funny. He murders people over business cards. It's stupid. People who know Bateman through memes think he's le effay chadman, but that's a whole other thing.
>>739252029>>739253086This shit is far more about "military shooters uncritically parrot jingoistic narratives and implicitly justifies American interventionism by having the protagonist with whom the audience identifies participate in it and be rewarded" than it is about "OMG WHAT IF LITTLE TIMMY LEARNS TO KILL" tho
>>739230239It's moot because you'll never know "THE truth"
>>739229076>>739225520God i hated this one because i tried not killing the doctors in the first game and you are forced to kill one, the one who then years later became Abby father and im supposed to feel bad for that? Fuck that druckmann, let me kill abby
>>739253297The last Call of Duty game I played (which admittedly was MW2 in 2009 or some shit), has a sequence where you engage in an outright terror attack because of deep-cover CIA shit, and the villain is a rogue American general.
>>739224837how has no one mentioned this yet?
>>739230596anime website shartyfag
>>739253475But it doesn't really critically engage with any of that, the CIA being complicit in a terror attack was fine up until it was revealed to be a set-up by the nefarious russkies, and of course a rogue general is an easy way to deflect criticism away from the military-industrial complex as a whole.
>>739253742Because 90% of the playerbase isn't engaging critically with any part of the story, and are just having fun with a tightly designed 60fps shooting experience.Still, I think CoD games tapping into the fact that America's own government is up to some nefarious shit is far more admirable than "you should have turned off the game if you didn't want to kill le children..."
>>739253581Honestly, the moral question of Hotline Miami is pretty interesting>uh oh. You were killing Russian gangsters for a murky quasi-nationalist operationIs that bad?They take advantage of the player characters who are latent psychos, who just want an excuse, but did they do a bad thing? Did they do a good thing for bad reasons? I don't know.It kind of leaves you with something to ponder on, which is better art than whatever Spec Ops the Line thought it was doing. And I realise the entire game is basically a meme, and an excuse to indulge in synthwave aesthetics
>>739248856>In fact THE most popular video game is a game where you are explicitly the bad guy, and everyone gets it.Call of Duty?You don't just play as America though
>>739254129GTA.Literally no one is under the impression you're doing good things in GTA. It's literally a sandbox where you get to be the baddie, for fun.
>>739253581Only people who don't really understand the game thinks this is addressed to the player.But in context, it's Jacket questioning his own sanity (through the vision of Richard, Don Juan and Rasmus) because all of HM1 until Trauma was him remembering the plot through copious amount of drugs and denial (hence why everything get more surreal as the story progress), which also set the scene for his actions after Trauma.
It's amazing that 20 years have passed and people are still seething over 2000s era Post 9/11 patriotism
>>739254291in retrospect, it was blatantly a excuse to invade countries for Israel's benefit.
>>739254385also an obvious false flag attack by Israel itself
>>739239363Frostpunk is a good example of a game that does it right.>>739239648>You need to be genuinely good at the game to NOT pass the bad laws.This. Also try playing on Survivor difficulty.If you are halfway decent at the game you never really NEED to pick the "bad" options.Survivor mode changes things and makes that part of the game shine.Unless you know every little meta trick youll find yourself picking "bad" options just to keep your people alive for another day.
>>739248856>In fact THE most popular video game is a game where you are explicitly the bad guy, and everyone gets it.also Minecraft
>>739251245there is no morality in acting like animals.
>>739254979The average African is the better person than the schizos on this site.
>>739244958sauce
>>739248856>In fact THE most popular video game is a game where you are explicitly the bad guy, and everyone gets it.You're the bad guy in Tetris?!?
>it's 2026>Specs Ops is mentioned>hundreds of seething postsSpec Ops Won.
>>739224837Drakengard 1.
>>739255449yes, everyone is hyped for Tetris in 2026. You're very clever.
>>739225298Tranny post. Probably plays as female characters in WoW and FFXIV
>>739255449yes, you're building the holocaust.
I dont think the game would be remembered nearly as well if it werent for the gay WP section. Then with the devs retarded pretentious faggotry its made the game basically impossible to talk about. >turn off le game and think about what you didis a real brave stance when youre selling a product that at the time was nigh impossible to get a refund on.
>>739232062Lossposting will ALWAYS be funny.
>>739256246WOAH DUDE>>739256027r u dumb?
Mario
>>739255449>he doesn't know
>>739256524The story of a dude going insane in the desert, doing crimes against humanity, dissociating and having a mental brakedown is the only reason to play it.Without the cool narrative there's only a decent cover shooter and if a cover shooter is what you want there are better ones out there, especially at the time in the peak of Gears of War's popularity.
It's been 10-20 years and fags are still seething over shit like Call of Duty, Transformers, and Black Hawk Down. People always say 9/11 left a deep scar on America's consciousness but if anything I see more people bitching about Bush era jingoism than talking about 9/11Spec Ops the Line is the video equivalent of Starship Troopers the movie
>>739257134I enjoyed it for what it was. I wont pretend the actual story wasnt interesting or anything but my first run through i opted to not use it, failed and then when i did the scene shows the civilians, the mom with her kid and it just took all of the wind out of the game and the heaviness of the situation. Why you would choose such an important part of the game to balance on "if you choose wrong then the whole illusion is busted" is beyond me. On top of having the game scold you about it like people havent been fighting with the general public since mortal kombat that video games are separate from reality and practically nobody is doing a this is literally me but for real. To have devs come in and do the same shit was just gay. Literally anything else would have been better. Be it just a cutscene, or maybe one of the people in the people in the crowd would have white phosphorus 20x the people later
>>739257717With the withdrawal from Afghanistan the largest immediate consequences of 9/11 have for the most part come to an end.Not to mention that it's been longer than a generation since. I am barely old enough to remember 9/11, it happened when I was two, and I'm twenty-six now.The emotional reaction is gone, there is only the fact that almost nothing good came out of the governments reactions to 9/11 in the long term at least.
>>739224837Elden Ring with Beast Clergyman
>>739225457tl;dr
>>739257134>>739257979The whole phosphorus thing is a bit whatever. I know it's supposed to be this huge moment, but one I was spoiled on it and two it's sort of narratively obvious that the "bad thing" is supposed to happen at some point.I did enjoy other ways the game was fucking with you and the schizo theories why if you die at a certain point in the game it instead fades to white and you respawn immediately a bit back instead of getting a game over screen.
>>739257979Yeah, the devs making willy pete a false choice was definitely the wrong move, they clearly felt that people would want or expect there to be a choice about it, they aren't wrong about that, but it would ruin the story if they didn't choose to use WP so they "compromised" and got the worst of both options. But no one has ever said it's a perfect game, I still recommend people to play it, it's only a few hours long and the narrative is something to experience.
>>739232062>didn't kill the catfag
>>739225384>>739226197never played this but it sounds like the problem is that continuing to play the game basically requires you to stop identifying with the protagonist, but the retarded GOTCHA moment is predicated on the player identifying with the protagonist and their actions
>>739258056>the largest immediate consequences of 9/11 have for the most part come to an end.anon no one is ever going to view america as a force of peace and goodwill towards man ever again. bin laden's goal was to show the world america's true face. he accomplished that goal. now america is an openly and brazenly corrupt servant of israel.
>>739258315It definitely shouldn't have been a choice, but I think it would have worked a lot better if it was just a regular mortar and changed nothing else about the gameplay, in the thermal image you still can't tell they're civvies and just blasted them and still got the emotional gut-punch they were going for without the "you chose to use a cruel weapon" thing getting in the way.
>>739258672I was referring to the wars we started and the whole GWoT being over.But the non-immediate consequences are definitely going to be felt for a long, long time.
>>739258925if you want to get technical, the occupation, pullout, and then failure to build afghanistan into an ally is the direct cause of the russian/ukranian war.
>>739258056See, the problem is that certain people are still mad about the lingering cultural effects 9/11 had on America and as such seek to denigrate the media that came out during that time. They will endlessly seethe about "muh military propaganda" without ever actually engaging with the material they criticize. They are sticks in the mud whose ideological blinders prevent them from actually enjoying anything or understanding why young men enjoy stories of war, violence, and action or believe that the people who enjoy these stories want violence and conflict. These people used to mock individuals like Jack Thompson but ironically enough have come to embody him.
>>739259218>stop telling young men to go die to make the rich, richer>noooo you need to engage with the material noooo
>>739259503But Anon, all dogs go to heaven.
Fun fact: the guy who made those exhausting and lengthy webcomics about Samus and Lara Croft having a conversation was a gigantic pseud who thought Spec Ops The Line was some massive watershed moment in gaming, and considered it better than anything put out by any other media. Basically he was a nerd for that game in the exact same vein as Quintin was for The Great Gatsby, and just as angry about imaginary Nintendo-loving strawmen that existed only in his head.
>>739225298Well yeah, the player character isn't me, and likewise, the things I kill in a game aren't real living beings and so I don't feel bad about killing them.If a game wants me to feel bad about doing something, atleast make it an actual narrative choice with tangible after effects so I feel responsible for what I did and thus feel regret for my decision.
>>739259642>NOO TIMMY YOU'VE BEEN HECKIN BRAINWASHED BY THE MIC BY PLAYING MW2 AFTER SCHOOL
>>739232392Are there any targets you spare?
>>739253581Because I was too busy listening to the soundtrack
>>739259642>Stop telling the young men to die in some shithole country>Start telling the young men to die and let those men from the shithole country inWhat a strange turn of events
>>739229206>Noooo! Don’t explain the game mechanic to me! I got the big sad!Back to bsky please.
>>739258672I don't really think it was the turning point. Thirdies already hated the great satan for cold war CIA fuckery which is why it was a target in the first place while yuros still went along with the war on terror. Yes there was always opposition, but that was more about overreach or the crude religiousness and the influence evangelicals had at the time which weren't directly tied to the war. I don't think it ruined US reputation for anyone, though maybe arguably it spot lit the creationist wars and shit for people.Then it was Obama who was liked by libs but probably didn't change much. Even Trump1 was considered sort of a fluke to wait it out and in retrospect wasn't that bad and we could move on now that the "right" party won. Only Trump2 pretty much speedran trashing US reputation.
>>739248856>>739254190While GTA lets you shoot people for the lolz, the actual characters you play aren't "bad guys" as much as yet more players in the criminal underworld. You're not corrupting a peaceful and joyful land, you're trying to survive and thrive in an already rotten world.I get your point, I'm just being autistic about this.
>>739259218I do agree with your point.>>739259151I would like you to elaborate cuz idgi.
>>739261493>I would like you to elaborate cuz idgi.NTA but basically Putin thought America wouldn't be in a position to oppose Russia invading Ukraine because of the pullout
>>739261820Putin is fucking retard then
