>noooooo not the hecking fisherinosGo woke go broce
This has literally been their stance since sub 1You can kill leviathans in 1 with bullshit methods, but you're never rewarded for it
>>739233170sounds fucking gay. they can take their ugly ass faggot creatura MC and shove it up their ass too
>mods guns into the gameanyway
>>739233082Can't wait for this woke trash to flop
>>739233170Nooo you're supposed to get mad over thing that eceleb told me to get mad at
>killing is... le bad! why? because if you kill them you'll be just like them! haven't you seen any movies?>...>DIE NAZI DIE DIE DIE KILL ALL NAZIS DEATH CAMPS FOR CHUDS EXTERMINATE THE WHITE DEVILSwhy are they like this?
>>739233309Nobody said anything about chuds or nazis
>>739233082>go woke>this has been the public dev stance for over a decade since Subnautica>they have made this exact same announcement literally 10 years ago>they just wanted a game where you don't shoot things>this is considered "going woke">people are actually outraged>/v/ is actually pretending to be outraged
>>739233309rules for thee not for methey espouse all sorts of shit about how XYZ is bad but are, time and time again, the ones who do what they claim is bad
>>739233423samefag
>>739233487QRD?
>>739233082It's so gay on many levels. The most important one is survival, what do you survive a printed boy who can't even interact with danger?
>>739233082fuck them their new early access trash is garbage i will never buy subanutica 2
>>739233082But i can turn a slug into bottled water and kill fish to eat
>>739233082>waaaah where are my horror games with incomprehensible monsters>game with incomprehensible monsters you cant defeat>waaaah why cant i kill everything in this gameboo fucking hoo faggots
>>739234161>incomprehensible monsters>look inside>tiny fish you could fry with a knife previously
>Not a killing game>Player character can be brutally devoured by massive sea monsters
What's wrong with sons of the forest? It looked fun.
>>739233082>go play sons of the forestsick burn grandpa
>>739233082They've already gotten 2 million in sales or some shit. So now they comfortably market artificial drama like this without repercussions.
>>739233194it's really annoying, especially when a reaper dark souls pvp's you from out of nowhere and you're forced to sit through a cutscene.The idea of only being able to make distractions is so retarded. Especially when they could have done something even cooler and punished combat-heavy players by making Warpers and all the other aggressive monsters expand their range and start hunting you.
>>739233662>fuck them their new early access trash is garbage i will never buy subanutica 2fpbp
>>739233309Animals are instinct driven and thus innocent. Chuds and nazis not so much.
>>739235298So all commies are born animals and retarded. Thus it is OK to kill them.
>>739233354>words words wordsMan the left still can't meme? jeez, no wonder you lost.
Ignoring the virtue crying reason they chose to frame the design choice gameplay wise not being loaded up with a combat minded toolbox of toys is obviously the correct tone setter, the feeling of helplessness in a hostile unknown world 'is' the game. It loses some of that feeling when you work out that once you get the seamouth you are faster then anything on the planet, but you are still careful when exploring. It just poisons the experince if the game was able to be converted into underwater Cabela's arcade. You literally have a boss fight already by any other term with the popping of the angel beacon's infection zits.
>>739236042Same with chuds and nazis, yes.
>>739233170>bullshit methodsAnon, you can farm crashfish and use them as rocket launcher ammo.
>>739236526>not being loaded up with a combat minded toolbox of toys is obviously the correct tone setter,Nah, besides the fact that killing is a natural thing in any environment, having a magic item researcher and 3d printer inexplicably be able to print quasi-weapons but not actual weapons is immersion breaking.They could have easily offset weapons with expensive and time-consuming ammo materials that are also used for useful building materials.The whole thing is just them having blinders on to any other possibilities (that are more interesting).
>>739233082>More fake outrage shill threadsHow about you kill yourself instead, faggot
Here's the way they should've handled this. You want weapons? Fine. Anything you'd seek to use them on is functionally immune via evolved traits, and the things you can use them on will draw the more dangerous shit in if you kill them.
>>739237117Basically, the vulnerable thing occupies an ecological niche. If you want to remove it, something REALLY, REALLY fucking annoying will take its place.There's your lesson in ecology and responsibility.
>>739233082>Says this for a game that's already a major success.Is this woke derangement syndrome?
>>739237210Nobody plays games. They just buy whatever the game they think they'd enjoy is and then never play it to stay current. So who gives a fuck?
>>739233082>cooking and eating fish is fine>being able to kill crabs in fine>being able to throw eggs and fish into an energy blender is fine???
>>739233354You will never be a woman.
>>739236903you say you want the weapons but in the same breath turnback on that by clarifying it would be good to have those things be prohibitively expensive seemingly agreeing me in saying that arming to the teeth would be a bad thing to have prevalent and easy access to.
>>739233170Why call attention to your own lie like that?
Here's the real reason the game doesn't have weapons, beyond the bullshit virtue signaling horse shit from public-facing devs. They couldn't figure out how to have co-op and the stasis rifle in the same product, because inevitably it means players would tag one another with the stasis rifle to get them killed. They couldn't figure how how to stop players from fucking one another over and completely ruining the experience. It speaks to their lack of creativity.
>>739237487What you think are mutually exclusive, are not.Survival games are about choice and freedom.A player could choose to spend hard-earned materials on weapons and then have to go out again for tedious collecting or upgrade/fab something important and be able to do something else.It's your job as a designer to craft choices for more interesting experiences, not railroad players because you're posturing.
>>739233170>When seamonsters are hunting you, you don't hide. You hunt the seamonsters. Then you build a bigger boat out of seamonster bones, and you hunt bigger monsters. Keep going until there aren't any monsters left to hunt you.
You literally kill fish and eat them in itThere is no reason they can't at least add some sort of effective method of deterence for the larger or more aggressive ones
>>739238236turning fish into water bottles is also just a hilarious thing to have while trying to pretend you're pro-nature or anti-violence or whatever they're convinced they believe in.
>main game mode is called Survival>not a survival gamewhat did the faggots mean by this
>>739237872Marguerit is by far the worst character the devs put into the game. Robin was annoying as hell but i'd still take her instead of the millenial female writer power fantasy girlboss.
I don't want to play sons of the forest though, I want to play subnautica, but be able to kill the shit that's killing me.So I'll mod it in.
>>739238418he/she/they/xem says it right there in the image
>>739234532In that game, you can brutally kill native cannibals and turn them into chairs or other decorations. It's seen as not kosher
>>739238345And Biofuel, which is even worse.
>>739233170Yeah, and it was really gay back then too. >>739233275Why shouldn't I be mad over them STILL being preachy pussies?
>>739233309In the game it's the evil corporation Alterra that's preventing you from building guns. Gameplay-wise you can kill everything pretty easily, but it's a horror game and you're supposed to run away from monsters.
>>739238595They probably regret putting her in the game too with her pretty much being an in-universe advocate for the gameplay mechanics they don't want people to remember from 1.
>Subnautica 1>your propulsion gun lets you disengage from small attacking wildlife early game>Subnautica 2>the sonic gun doesn't do anything like stun the fish or slow them or deter themWhy?
>the best defence shills can use is "uhhh they were always preachy pussy faggots CHUD">>739239302>Gameplay-wise you can kill everything pretty easily, but it's a horror game and you're supposed to run away from monsters.So bad game design?
>>739233227Oh my god you sure showed them
>can kill as many animals as you want, fish being a staple food source>uses abysmal dogshit combat to discourage you from violence instead of the developers belittling you on twitter>you can custom build your very own sea vessel instead of some prebuilt cuckmobilePlay the superior sea game.
>>739239302You cannot kill or even harm anything in Sub2 that isn’t one of the fish you can grab in your hand. They have no reaction at all to you smacking them with your multitool or even driving your minisub into them.
>>739239317Probably the reason she has a wanted poster in the game
>be Alterra>take away guns, drugs and crime from Africans, African Americans, Indians and SEAfags>they become doctors, scientists, engineers, pioneersUh.......
>>739233372at this point i'm convinced all outrage on /v/ has been fake for well over a decade
>>739239361I dunno, this>>739237872Implies characters making do with any lethal measures they could manage in the absence of conventional weapons was always intentional and now that are just backpedaling.
What's up with devs saying "If you don't like this play (other game)"?
>>7392393022 has a seperate issue, inatead of just removing the knife, they removed blood and damage entirely. So fish have typed "godmode" into the command console.>>739239403I need to try the game again but repairing shark damage is annoying to me.
>>739239535Just power through until you can put armor on the edge pieces of your raft, then the fucker can't do anything to it.
>>739233082chuds SEETHING
>>739239504People started calling their blufs when potential players would just respond to "then don't play our game" by simply not playing the game.So now they are hoping to get a little extra shilling in there to cope for potential losses.
>>739233372>>739239461>pretending to misunderstand the situation to push a political agenda againFish will rape your vehicles to death in parts of the map if you park it, fish have broken AI that has them hyper-aggressive 24/7 and all fish may as well be the same species as they all have a single AI that is "go rabid when the player is in sight", and have no real player reactivity.Look at 1's where all the fish were unique.
>>739233170Killing the creature is the reward itself
>>739237265But you're wrong
>>739239403Raft made my competent devs would legitimately be a 10/10
>>739233082I'm more surprised that anyone wanted to play any of the Subnautica games to begin with
>>739239461The political talk is definietly just baiting, but the issue is very much real. They've added a number of smaller fishes to the game that are actively agressive towards the player and unlike the previous game where you could just smack them with a knife and they back off you literally can't do anything about them. There is no tool for you to use to defend yourself with so you just have to sit there and take the damage. I can understand not being able to kill the larger ones but the small ones are really annoying this way.
If the Stalker was in Subnautica 2, they wouldn't fight over scrap or be distracted by scrap, the entire school would just attack you constantly.
>>739233082go woke make millions lol have you seen the sales?
>>739233082>*Mods in killing*nothing personnel
>>739240119The core gameplay loop is good, but the devs made one aspect of the game worse because of a troon melty.
Chuds, incels, nazis and rapists won
>>739239361>So bad game design?Means this game is not for you, ball&gun nigger.
>returning players: why did you remove non-gun related lethal measures for dealing with threats?>devs: because guns were never in the game
>>739240748a good version of subnautica would incentivize useful killing, deincentivize wasteful killing, and make combat with larger beings highly risk-reward (you kill them and get amazing mats), but your hunger and thirst are heightened + you could potentially lose all your equipment.A subnautica clone that embraces combat is gonna do quite well in the coming years.
>>739234518They're slowly programming a new generation to be placid, impotent pussies that are trained to accept violence and never return it.
>>739240615lmaothese people are fucking idiots. the number one desire for subnautica 1 was a harpoon gun of some kind. imagine doubling down on both early access AND telling the customer "no, never"
>>739240748I wanted shit similar to one. I thought this would be close enough to one, but the devs are being dumb weirdos about it. Don't take it so personally.>>739238345Anti predator killing. They are plainly not against killing. They ARE against killing things that try to kill you.
>if you want fun play other gamesWay ahead of you
>>739240903this. extinguish a local variety of fishy by killing too many? load a save or persist in the doomed world you created.suddenly the players are warning each other to be selective and limited in your murder. suddenly the game's systems and ideas are telling the player 'killing fish bad', instead of the game saying 'LMAO YOU DIED i bet you'd have lived if you could have done anything at all though', while the devs insist "killing fish bad"
>>739233082they should just have the fish instakill the player if they attack it
this is a forced controversythe devs wanted to virtue signal and now /v/ needs to carebut how aboutjust don't care
>>739240908they can't even say the word ass anymore. i see why we associate grouchiness with old men. before the internet, it'd take a lifetime to see how much worse things are getting. now we become grouchy old men before we are 30.
>>739241270>stop noticing>stop discussing it>positivity only, and only for games you are going to buy full price
This is like the 12th time I've seen this thread over the course of two days.
>>739241336shills and PR companies only know rage-baiting nowadays, so that's all you get when a new game releases.
I'm pretty sure I remember accidentally running into fish in Subnautica 1 and 2, so why remove it in 3?Honestly made it pretty immersive reminding you you're in a big metal vehicle, like a car with bugs but with a boat and fish.I guess it's just more evidence that the devs really don't know how or why Sub 1 was good.
>>739241373>people are incapable of seeing a mistake get made>the only people repeatedly pointing out glaring gameplay faults are shills
>>739239084made me laugh for some reasonlike the absurdity100% true, too
>>739238418>what did the faggots mean by thisHe’s rationalizing.It’s common for people to do that. Authors themselves are sometimes unaware of the true potential of their works, and when they try to reflect on them, they end up reaching conclusions that don’t really make much sense and sometimes contradict what they themselves have created.
>>739239084>kill native cannibals and turn them into chairs or other decorationsLol. How do you turn someone into a chair? Corpses don't seem like the most suitable raw material for that.
>killing defenseless prey animals good>killing aggressive predator animals that attack you badAre these devs German or English or something?
>>739233082So in other words.We wanted the game to be difficult so fish monsters could kill you and make you lose progress kek.Thats a bad design. They should given players a stun gun with battery so they can scare of big fish monsters.
>>739233082can you kill fish in Subnautica 1? if not why is this controversial?
>>739241270Even if I don't care, you will have shitposters fishing for upvotes making threads about how ENRAGED this place is, and filling it with fake posts. But I do care, because I wanted more subnautica 1, and it sounds like they're going to be Below Zero kind of stupid. It's also in EA, so there's a chance they may change their direction. I mean I'm not going to bomb their twitter, but dropping from day one to bargain bin buy seems pretty likely here for me. >>739241673With a great deal of violence. Similar to punching someone so hard they become a door.
>>739241885You can kill them in this one, just not ones that attack you.
>>739241885You could but it was hard and did nothing.The real issue is they also threw out tools and player reactivity. All fish have the same AI and you can't use tools to avoid attacks, literally removing an important part of the game.
>>739233082This is a fucking marketing campaign. The particular anti-woke sentiment that's been expressed in these threads has sounded like the most forced shit. I do not believe any of you fucks are actually chuds for a fucking second.
>>739242210>le false-dichotomy
>>739241885Because the devs made the first protag black so violence is expectedThis protag isn't so they're just supposed to call the police and wait when a fish gets all wiggly in your neighborhood
>>739242210You troons still haven't explained why it's good that the game has worse fauna AI and less gameplay due to tools no longer properly interacting with fauna.
>>739242272If it's a false dichotomy then I'm just compelled to think you guys are fucking retarded. No better than me screaming at the void because none of the bitching in this thread is going to matter outside of it. We've been down this road since Sandy Hook and you all just come off as petulant children at this point. Both the devs for being pansies and you guys for playing ball with them because I know they get off on the rage.That or it's all bait and you're all just snickering to yourselves while cumming in each other's ass. Maybe I just don't have patience for bitter-flavored shitposting anymore.
>>739242343The sonic resonator will make some things briefly flinch but like it doesn't do anything to scare them off and they just immediately start attacking again the moment you stop bonking them with it (also it runs out of battery kinda quickly).
>>739233170Getting rid of the fucker IS the reward
>>739241336Someone is bored apparently, pray it's that and not someone having a fucking aneurism.
Those purple spearfish things are possibly the most obnoxious enemy I've ever seen in any game ever due to their behaviors coupled with the fact that you can literally do nothing about it.
The devs just said today they are tweaking the fish's seething anger and hatred, buffing flares, and looking into tweaking tools to scare enemies off and more. And apologized for the Forest guy. Pack it up, we failed to be better men and it's a total chud victory.
>>739233082>You can now fuck the fish insteadKINO ALERT
>>739233082>just go play a better game sweetieWow that dumbass dev sure told me.
>>739233082>don't kill the animals that are a direct threat on your life>just let yourself be endlessly reprinted by the malicious AI that is fucking up your brain each time
>>739233275>"ecelebs control you" says man who is being controlled by an image meme
>>739242770so... you still can't kill fish?
>>739242816>why the FUCK are there so many peepers in the ocean
>>739233082What about fucking the fish?
>>739233372>expecting polniggers to know any of thisThey are the same people who said space marine 2 was woke because>ayrhm black ultramarines arent canon geneseed makes them look like roboute
okay I've seen enough of these threads to have to come askdo you not even eat fish in the game? what the fuck? did they remove survival elements?
>>739243043And that was NEVER the problem outside of ledditroons trying to change the subject.
>>739243136Not only do you have to eat fish, it's your main food and water source, and you can compost live fish for electricity.The problem was that rather than removing the knife, they removed repelling attacks entirely, and programmed all fish to have the same aggression.
>>739243043Don't need to kill the fish. Just need to have some sort of method of making them fuck off. That one dev was just being a typical reductionist Californian faggot antagonizing the player base.
>>739238418>want to explore>retarded gigafish is causing a direct survival problem>I'm not allowed to use survival mechanics to survive against it
>>739243136Ironically they removed every single survival elements from the first game except hunger and thirst and it would be a much better game is they got rid of it as well at this point.They're boasting about how they're making an exploration game instead of a survival game and boy does it show
>>739243136They added that you have to get an enzyme from the planet before safely eating the fish.
>>739240903If you want to be real hippie about it, you could achieve the wanted result with zero guns or killings as tons of material for kids show. Just have it be a capture device or something that chases the creature away. There's clearly something broken in the design if players want to get rid of the enemies in some in-game way and the devs refuse to budge, plenty of games where players expect to just run away and hide.
>>739243136You are supposed to die to the designated enemies and feel weak and pathetic because they don't know how to make the game spooky once you get over being afraid of deep water
>>739233170You're rewarded with not being threatened by a monster. Also the only bullshit method is the stasis gun, because clearly, they meant you to use the stasis gun to freeze them as flee, not to freeze them and slice them several hundred times with a knife. That method does have some risk as you need to make sure to keep the stasis field up, if you let it lapse they will chomp you.
>>739238418This retard can't stop spouting bullshit.It's the same idiot that cried about someone allegedly pirating the game after UW bragged about 2 mil sales on day one of early access (for a $30 demo).
>>739233170even in sub 0 you could defend yourself against agressive fishes
>>739243714They juat apologized for the guy a few hours ago, because he keeps bringing negative PR.
>>739243247>>739243356>>739243403>>739243479>>739243639So I don't get it, you still kill small edible fish with the knife? all they did was make you unable to hurt the predators?
>>739243919No. There is no knife. You have a multitool thing but you can’t actually hit anything with it. There is no reaction to it at all like you are swinging at empty space. Same with trying to hit a fish with your minisub. Nothing.
>sea full of dangers>you can build submarines and whole bases>weapons to defend yourself are out of question though This shit makes no sense at all, never touching this garbage.
>>739233354wtf this is the concord 3 schizos
>>739237636The stasis rifle never worked on the player even when you point blank a target and should logically be inside its sphere of influence. Why would it work on other players in coop?
>>739243919You can't hit anything with your knife except plants but you can grab the small fish to cook them in the fabricator. However unlike in the first game where you'd see the fish getting cooked on the plate by laser it just pop in your inventory. Not sure if it's them being lazy or on purpose.Though there is virus fish specie that you can actually kill.So yea they're so inconsistent about everything it's hard to not laugh at them for being retarded
>>739241673You make chairs out of their bones
>>739241673>How do you turn someone into a chair?with patience and lots of "someone"s
>>739243919This WHOLE drama is literally>dev sees a bunch of youtubers kill leviathans for youtube content>like 0.001% of the playerbase>FUCKING SEETHE>make fish invulnerable and immortal instead of making them unique and interactive>announce "I did it to own the chuds">retards start to cheer that the "chuds were owned" by making an aspect of the game worse>the lead dev just apologized and said fish and tools will be reworked
>>739233082thats not even the worst of it kek
>>739241971Well it's even more retarded. You can kill them by feeding them through the replicator or by throwing them in the bio reactor. But you can't stab them like you did in S1 (or BZ even). Even running into them with your sub has them completely no-sell the hits that used to splat them in the old games. It's idiotic.Like imagine a GTA clone where you can't kill pedestrians and cops/gangsters can kill you but you can't fight back. When players complain about this the devs say "it's not that kind of game, this is a non violent game, play GTA if you want to kill"BUT- a core mechanic of this game is that you kidnap people and give them to organ traffickers who kill them and extract their organs. It just doesn't track.
>>739237636Insane take, firstly disabling friendly fire on those is an option so obvious that there’s no chance the devs didn’t consider it. And no one’s playing this game with total strangers so if you’re dicking around with each other you’re probably all laughing about it and having fun. You know, like human friends fucking do in video games.Stasis rifle’s probably out because it was a janky weird presence in the first game and the flares accomplish most of the same thing (keep a predator off you for a bit). Yeah it’s worse for killing leviathans, but you can’t kill them here anyway and the rifle was such an all-or-nothing gimmick: you either brought it and stabbed the reaper 50 times between waiting for the recharge or you didn’t bring it and… just didn’t have much recourse to survive the time between those 50 stabbings otherwise. Mind you I think it’s gay to replace the futuristic time gun with a mundane flare in your cool futuristic diving game and I think it’s ultra lame that you don’t have the option to jankily kill leviathans with ill-suited knives, and that whapping predators with the hatchet just to momentarily daze them sucks because I swear the regular predators are twice as aggro and annoying in this game, but to claim they took out the rifle because they couldn’t figure out its place in co-op is aggravatingly false.
>killing too many prey fishes makes the local predators go hungry and become far more likely to attack the player>killing too many predator fishes causes an excess of prey fishes which attracts more and more predator fishes to consume them, then go to the above>best not to mess with the ecosystem as much as possiblethat would actually be an interesting way to do it
>>739241673
>>739245078That would require too much work rather than just rehashing the first game and making it gay and shitty
>fish rights matte-ACK
>>739241673>he isn't learning to fleshcraft for the coming end timesngmi
>>739244457I bet they used AI to write their EULA
I think the funniest thing about all this is that in the first game, you're basically a debt slave and society has turned into Great Britain where there's no reason to have a weapon because of how progressive everyone is and that's why you only get a pocket knife to defend yourself in a life or death situation. What makes Subnautica 2 EVEN WORSE is that humanity is supposedly near extinction and currently in an active war with an alien race that peels the flesh off your bones and eats it and they STILL don't give you a fucking weapon to defend yourself as part of the literal last members of an entire species. Gameplay wise, I found S1 to be pretty fun and if they can fix the aggression and immersion issues in S2 it'll be just as good... but from a lore perspective, not having weapons (especially so in S2) is fucking laughable. A major driving force for humanity has been weapons technology. A slave I understand not having weapons, but humanity as a whole is beyond fucking retarded.
>>739245078you would need to kill fish on an industrial scalepeople really underestimate how many god damn fish there are
>>739246931>humanity is supposedly near extinction and currently in an active war with an alien race that peels the flesh off your bones and eats it and they STILL don't give you a fucking weapon to defend yourselfvery indicative of what real life would be like.The aliens peeling flesh are just misunderstood, and also there's no flesh peeling, and even if there is, it's peaceful flesh peeling.
>>739246931>with an alien race that peels the flesh off your bones and eats it and they STILL don't give you a fucking weapon to defend yourselfWow, very alienphobic, I'm reporting you to the nearest space constable.
>>739246931have you tried teaching the aliens that eating humans is bad?if you come at them with weapons, they'll never listen and learn
