Just finished the canon of creation and it was the lamest shit everIs canon of vengeance better?
Yes, by a fucking mile.
>>739254179Much better, they made canon of vengeance because creation sucked so much.
>>739254179Objectively better and the best SMT mainline.
>>739254179I still haven't played vengeance. I played the original V on switch when it released and I liked it despite the performance issues
>>739254179Vengeance has best OST in gaming
Everybody bitches about the expansion pack rereleases but it makes you feel better about the devs when they learn stuff and reliably make the game better on their second crack at it after getting fan feedback
>>739254692dude, hell yes.taito theme fucking rules.
>>739254179It's mostly the same game for the most part. Vengeance just has a lot more interactions with the human characters and a more focused story. Vengeance is the better route and almost all the route unique content is better but it's not a totally different game. Abdiel was a much better character in CoC and you don't get to fight the enemy Nahobino in CoV. And the Demon UN meeting which is a pretty stand out scene isn't in CoV.
>>739254179Its like 5% better, still the worst mainline smt
What was her problem?
>>739255089Best*
>>739255096What is the MC's problem? He complains about cars in this exact same spot in the original and then Yoko complains about them instead in CoV.
alicehttps://files.catbox.moe/1vh6nf.jpg
>>739255153>>739254435in your dreams
>>739255153honestly i would peg 5V as the best given the gameplay.
>>739255160They're both chuunis
>>739254814I like SMT already, so I was gonna get to SMTV eventually, but hearing Taito sold me immediately.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SQ19rm8qqY
>>739255153I do not like looking for the naked red fuckers each playthrough, no sir I do not.
>>739255505And chaos fags until Tao and Aogami slow their rolls respectfully. Law fags are no fun.
Should I start with Vengeance if I don't know whether I'm going to be playing both?
Behold, the peak of humanity!
>>739255509Kozuka should be up there with names koji kondo and nobuo uematsu
>>739255632yes, start with vengance
>>739255632If you only play one do Vengeance. They're complimentary, both routes have some information that completes the story but without Vengeance is the better and more complete feeling one.
Isn't there some secret boss you can only fight if you beat CoC first with a specific ending and then CoV?
>>739255676Made to be fused with bull gods.
>>739255781>>739255808Garbage "advice". Creation is the one you should play first. Vengeance makes no sense if you haven't played creation first.
>>739256006i would recommend a step further -- get the sempiternal mod for first play.more interesting balance/mechanics. better than vanilla
>>739256006NTA but it can still make sense. There are some unexplained things but it's not worth playing CoC over CoV if you just want a good gameplay experience with a more overt story.
>>739254179I liked creation far more, it felt like a mature interpretation of the usual smt endings but without usual "oooooh but did you pick the right choice??? chaos bequeaths order!". for once what you picked became the best interpretation of either ideology.vengeance had a retarded plot and some dumb edgy bitch complaining about cars and trying to reset everything. what a fucking letdown
>>739256350Chiyoda was cool -- music was fucking banger too
>>739256350The plot in all these games is stupid acting as if chaos and order are real ideologies
>>739256350Honestly prefer CoC because I could care less about Guest characters or added on story.I just want to fuck demons.
>>739256590amerifat spotted.
Can you use the demons from the demon expansion mod as fusion material? I was going to replay this shit and finally check out that mod, but I can't use any of the new shmucks in fusions, I'm forced to just release themThe mod apparently received a major update recently regarding the installation, so I have no idea if that's what's causing it.
>>739256715havent used... some of the model quality (AI genn) was really poor.
>>739256812Aren't most of the models just imported from the gachashit game though?
>>739254179yeah but 99% of the zones are exactly the same, there's exactly one new area and it's alright until it turns into yet another ruined cityscape. better bosses though for sure
>>739254179vengeance is a lot better from what I saw, I dropped vanilla like 80% of the way and I finished and enjoyed vengeance
>>739255848No, the super boss for CoV, Satan, requires you to have a game clear save, but you can just beat CoV and save in a seperate slot and reload before the final boss and Satan will be available. Likewise, CoC's super boss, Maskados has an extra bullshit version if you played CoV first, but you can still fight Masakados without the super upgrade. He's still a super boss and defeating him still unlocks his fusion.
>>739254246that Satan looks zesty as fuck
>>739256350I definitely appreciate the vibe of CoC, where the game mostly leaves you to your own devices. CoV still does too but obviously less. The UN scene is my favorite scene in either route, especially the "Couldn't be more satisfied" line from Tsukuyomi at the end.
>>739257351its a good fight, better than masakado and demi imo
>>739257478Satan feels most mechanically climactic for VV's systems.
>>739257582agreed
shiva theme is OP
>>739256715depends, some mod demons can't be fused
whenever i hear ueno on da'at ueno i always think of alice since i travelled with her the most therewhenever i think of smt alice by kaneko i think of many things
>>739256350>like a mature interpretation of the usual smt endingsBoth routes felt like that. What I like about CoC is that it's about isolation. It's mainly just (you) and Aogami against the world and it's fitting that the true ending is about letting the one thing most important to you go for the greater good. It was very thematic. CoV has some pretty thoughtful themes but the endings feel mostly like fanservice. No matter which ending you pick, you get Aogami and friends to help you and both endings result in the desired outcome over time. SMT shine when it's realistically nihilistic.
>>739254179wait a minute. I thought canon of creation was kino. is vengeance that better?
>>739261031both are good.
>>739261031CoV is a more forward story and CoC is more subtle and gameplay focused. Neither are bad just one will feel like nothing is happening, while the other keeps throwing cutscenes at you.
