Armstrong was right. Raiden was a stupid tool used by glowies
Yeah Armstrong should be the strongest, by using others he kidnapped to do his will
>>739260937Yes, he was right. He was defeated by someone stronger. And the strongest decides.
>>739261069Raiden ended up being a cuck by his glowie handler Rose
>>739261040Isn't that what all zogbots are? His plan was to rid the world of war it just required making an big omelet.
>>739261367that hes the chef selling it to the world. hes not doing this just for his philosophy
>>739260937>Fuck AIPAC, Fuck the boomers, FUCK ALL OF ITHow did they get away with this
>>739261739Because in 2013 games were not monitored by the jews as something noteworthy.
>>739260937armstrong would have stopped israel
>>739260937Armstrong's philosophy is undermined by his use of child slave soldiers
The Patriots were right, humans don't deserve free will.
>>739260937Typical politicianBig cock, but no cum
>>739261868Every soldier is a slave anon. The more you understand how society works the more you see how barbarically evil it is.
>>739260937But the glowies in this context are the Patriots, who Armstrong is perpetuating their war economy
>>739261868Literally counter argued by the pre-Jack-the-Ripper Raiden depression scene
>>739261367>His plan was to rid the world of war No it wasn't, it was to rid the world of war "as a business". He wanted totally law of the jungle anarchy where everyone 'fights their own wars'
>>739261994r/im14andthisisdeep ahh post
>>739261489Since the year 1 AD, there has never been a government that has empowered the individual the way Armstrong intends to. Historically, the people have always been insects/slaves to the government/higher economic powers. Such a precedent set by Armstrong would be an upset that would actually change the entire course of human thinking. Seriously, consider that what Armstrong has been trying to revolt against is the notion of the majority of humanity being oppressed and degenerated by elites for their own intents since the inception of human history. How is that not a noble goal, especially if it has never been done before? Much better than the Boss's 'dream'
>>739262796Prove him wrong within 50 words or less otherwise your posting privilege is revoked
>>739262814Lots of people have tried to rule by Might Makes Right, and we’ve seen that it doesn’t work out for most of us
Armstrong IS a glowie.
>>739262935>Lots of people have tried to rule by Might Makes Right, and we’ve seen that it doesn’t work out for most of usWhat are you talking about, EVERYONE is ruling by might makes right by simply subjugating and weakening others while empowering themselvesBut not one party in the history of mankind has tried what Armstrong is trying. In fact, what Armstrong wants is setting a standard for an endless 1776ing of every injustice, where parasites who are pro-status quo don't get to hide behind being innocent (like those World Marshall guys Raiden kills while Sam telepathically sends their thoughts to Raiden)Every party on Earth has used war and violence, but name one example of anyone pursuing let alone succeeding in what Armstrong is aiming for.
>>739263024No he's not, then again neither is Raiden (who was a glowie in MGS2 only). Glowies are mostly a lost concept by the time of MGRR due to being replaced by private business. The patriots system's collapse probably weakened them a lot.
>>739263135What Armstrong is trying is what literally every dictator and would-be autocrat does, they stage a revolution and then seize power in the ensuing chaos. Armstrong is only different because he's fueled by nanomachines that turn him into a demigod. Matter of fact virtually every revolution of the past three centuries has been in the name of toppling a corrupt ruling class.
>>739263135Based. Armstrong was a true Jeffersonian at heart wanting every man to be his own king. People are just too retarded that's why the idea of America failed. They would rather believe a comfortable lie to an unpleasant truth.
>>739263317Every man being their own king is fucking retarded, is the problem.
>>739263135Allowing the strong to live as they see fit and purge the weak will inevitably just lead to the strong subjugating the weak and recreating an even worse version of the system we already have.
>>739263334Your retarded. Go be a slave somewhere else.
>>739263024He played college ball you retard
>>739263239>Armstrong is only different because he's fueled by nanomachines that turn him into a demigod. Armstrong isn't trying to make a world where only warlords exist, the only place where this was a real 'system' was pre-Communist China.>Matter of fact virtually every revolution of the past three centuries has been in the name of toppling a corrupt ruling class.I mean yeah, every change of ruling party involved toppling the ruling party? What else would it imply?>What Armstrong is trying is what literally every dictator and would-be autocrat does, they stage a revolution and then seize power in the ensuing chaos. Armstrong is trying to do the opposite though? He's trying to use the system to set a precedent that's meant to inspire people to fight against anything they'd consider tyranny. He's a lolbertarian at heart who wants to inspire mass-anti-demoralization. His goal is not just to destroy the political system, it's primarily to change the way people think towards genuine lolbertarianism and to paint every alternative as tyranny so that it sets a standard akin to a new Declaration of Independence that states EVERY MAN IS FREE TO FIGHT FOR HIMSELF, NOT FOR MONEY, NOT FOR OILBUT RATHER FOR THEIR OWN WARS...like Raiden at the end of the game after absorbing Armstrongs "Heart" (metaphorically)
>>739263352There's also how nebulous "the strong" is. It's obvious from Armstrong's audible obsession with tearing the American electorate limb from limb that what he means by "the strong" is himself, but he's also only "strong" because he's rich enough to have cutting-edge nanomachine mystery technology pumping in his veins. Like anybody else in the setting he'd get mulched by a UG or by a cyborg if he didn't have those enhancements. He's not strong, he's wealthy, which is the core of his hypocrisy, especially where his might-makes-right and by-your-bootstraps rhetoric is concerned.
>>739263352the weak in this case would be parasites who support the system and fight for stagnationnot 'random joe schmoe on a farm who has no involvement in anything'Armstrong was specifically referring to people like thesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxil4e9UR5EWho are fighting for World Marshall just because they see themselves as victims because they are people too yet still do awful things without question.Understanding the World Marshall and Monsoon Arc is necessary for understanding Armstrong in full.
>>739260937>Raiden was a stupid tool used by glowiesArmstrong is a fucking lightbulb. And I'm not talking about his hairline.
>>739263525He's not trying to make a world where warlords rule, he's trying to put the strong on top while ranting about killing everyone he doesn't like and roid-raging with beams of energy harvested from nearby machinery. You're right but only in the strictest sense that Armstrong is going to be head warlord of his imaginary society. The guy fucking hates losing and fucking hates not being physically invincible, in case the fight with Sam wasn't a big enough tell.
>>739263532>There's also how nebulous "the strong" is. It's obvious from Armstrong's audible obsession with tearing the American electorate limb from limb that what he means by "the strong" is himself, but he's also only "strong" because he's rich enough to have cutting-edge nanomachine mystery technology pumping in his veins."Strong" clearly doesn't literally mean "Strength Build" or physically strong warlords. He means people like Raiden whose TAMASHI cries out for justice and perseverance for their own goals, no matter the odds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxil4e9UR5E
>>739260937Nice knife UwU
>>739263709>He means people like Raiden whose TAMASHI cries out for justice and perseverance for their own goals, no matter the odds.Armstrong is roleplaying as Solidus Snake the whole game because he wasn't involved in anything important his whole life. He doesn't mean Raiden, he means himself, he has zero response against Raiden thinking his upbringing and career are horrors that shouldn't be repeated. Armstrong wants you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and he's also going to scream, shit his pants, and then put you into a blender if he catches you trying to leave a ladder behind yourself.
>>739260937>>739261040This says a lot about American democracy
>>739263135The whole point of learning about WW2 in school is so that you learn this style of government doesn’t work for the common man
>>739263854i want an exosuit and run on highways like sonic the fucking hedgehog!
>>739263798>he has zero response against Raiden thinking his upbringing and career are horrors that shouldn't be repeatedThere's a small motif about how Raiden's experience technically made him strong yet Raiden is seeking to deny others this just because he's a moral hypocrite but it's something that can only be seen if you analyze MGRR as if it was literature. Both the Monsoon dialogue, Sundowner dialogue and Armstrongs "but you did survive" line are highlighting Raiden being strong because he's forced to fight and won and has his own goals. This is actually what weighs on Raiden when he accepts Armstrongs ideology and decides to save the world at the end of MGRR all on his own.Also Armstrong is specifically targeting "parasites", not people who can't defend themselves.
Him spewing patriot bullshit in somewhat sarcastic tone then revealing that he hates all that shit was kino
>>739263904? Are you calling Armstrong (super libertarian) a communist or socialist? Because Stalinism was all about dis empowering the individual for the sake of the ideal - exactly what Armstrong decries.
>>739263532>but he's also only "strong" because he's rich enough to have cutting-edge nanomachine mystery technology pumping in his veins.Raiden was a child soldier from Uganda or Algeria or some shit hopped up on cokeRegardless, the most disadvantaged start anybody could possibly have and subsequently crawled his way into being the strongest dude on earth through blood, sweat, and determinationStill not enough? Jetstream sam was literally just a normal dude, son of the Brazilian favela, and couldve cut armstrong in half You can't argue that money is still the only source of power when every other character in the same game is a strong fucker because they earned it
>>739264094>Armstrong (super libertarian)Armstrong is a despot anon-doko
>>739260937Yeah fuck laws. Legalize theft and murder.
>>739264136Those are already legal for a certain ingroup
>>739264132Where does this meme come fromArmstrong isn't interesting in being a Might-Makes-Right 3rd world Despot Warlord?
>>739264131Yeah and the whole point of Armstrong is he didn't earn anything. He brings up the University of Texas like it's a humble school compared to an Ivy League school, he talks about his football career like it means anything to an African child-soldier, he talks about joining the Navy and didn't do anything of note in there and never saw combat. His parents were rich, he's a US senator. He's a loser with no personality but lots of money, and he worships at the altar of the Self-Made Man, something he is not. He's Elon Musk with a steroid problem.
>>739264132He isnt
>>739264437Cool, not an argument There's a reason why Armstrong cedes that jack is the epitome of his philosophy and tries to recruit him
>>739264554It's the same reason Jack thinks he's a shit-eating mongoloid who needs to be killed before he messes anything else up.
>>739261069So clearly he was wrong for trying to enact change when the world he wanted already existed
>>739264437But elon is self made. Sure he came from a already wealthy south African family but not at the extreme wealth that he had today. He had over 800 billion in stocks that can purchase that shitty emerald mine over a thousand fold.
>>739264674>But elon is self made. Sure he came from a already wealthy south African family THAT'S NOT SELF-MADE ANON
>>739264598And thusly vindicates Armstrong's philosophy
>>739260937Armstrong is literally a glowie who mutilates Mexican childrenHe is THE glowie
>>739264742Killing a would-be murderer isn’t the same thing as being a giga fascist like Armstrong wanted to be
>>739264694His father owned like some stock in that mine. He got funding to go to the US to study business. Now if you were to put a regular person in his shoes would you be able to generate 800 billion like he has?
>>739260937You fags put too much thought into this one dimensional character.
>>739264806Armstrong's dumb philosophy is so broad and retarded that he wins no matter the outcome. It's pointless to debate him because he's crazy and he always comes out on top in his pov. Killing innocent people is le bad, that's final, that's all you need to discard everything he says because when you look deeper it's just nonsense.
>>739264742Imagine having a philosophy so shallow that any push-back of any kind is validation. He's a school bully who thinks he's a philosopher. His creed is that the sky is blue and air is nice to breathe, and Armstrong is so up his own ass he thinks this is profound. This also makes Armstrong probably the most morally weak character in Metal Gear history, he believes he's passing on a legacy of some kind to Raiden on his deathbed, after spending the whole game + its prequel DLC doing everything in his power to keep himself out of harm's way until the last second, and only because his plan largely failed (but he can still brute-force it with enough time). Passing on his legacy of "I did it myyyy waaaay," something Raiden is and was already doing, and is the reason they had a confrontation. All he passes on his deathbed are his bowels.
>>739261739>Still no remake or sequelThe game was too on the nose
>>739264806It'd just be killing an actual murderer in the sociopathic Jack the Ripper>giga fascist like Armstrong wanted to beIt's a good thing that was never his goal at any point unless you think Solidus was actually just cobra commander with a fancier suit
>>739264742>If you kill me it means you're just like me
>>739264907He's arguably two dimensional
>>739264938Imagine having a philosophy so weak that merely killing those who espouse it is enough to destroy it. Imagine having a belief system so pitiful that its threatened by the basic violence of nature. Conceived following a code that is at odds with the basic rules of nature.If your sacrifice for your beliefs doesnt affirm them then you might as well as had none to begin with in MG
>>739265270imagine your whole intellectual philosophy is "the basic violence of nature" and you think it's profound and deep
"Right" people don't lose
>Armstrong criticizes the population for being weak and doing whatever any higher power tells them>any and all criticism against Armstrong are that 'his ideology is too dangerous' or 'Armstrong isnt really self made' or 'hes actually fascist'>no one realizes that Armstrong is constantly offering an olive branch towards true personal freedom, nor does anyone ever make a single better suggestion for the ideal of personal freedom(You) niggers are the parasites holy shitGo choke on some rubber heels
>>739265302Humans aren't apart from nature. We like to go to the zoo and laugh at monkies throwing shit on the wall or jacking off. We are no different then they are.
>>739265302But that's not Armstrongs philosophyArmstrongs philosophy is that ALL people should fight for their own freedom, and those who dont, whether because they want to be the US government, or its welfare recipients, are both evil and should be defeated.tl;dr on Armstrongs philosophy is>The Strong: Always fight for Freedom>The Weak: Always fight against Freedom, whether because they want to be in power, or to directly or indirectly rely on those in power who are against Freedom
>>739264857>use your father's money to start up a company>Hire actual smart people to make all the impressive technology for you>Take all the credit >Build your brand around a cult of personality and sell yourself on empty, overinflated promises>Win
>>739265483Armstrong's philosophy is "the land of the free" jingoistic propaganda cranked up to a comedic extremeIndividualism at any cost is a strangulation of culture and government alike
>>739265162When you offer no counter arguments for >being the very pinnacle of a self-made man>using violence to solve every problem and disagreement because talent at violence is the ultimate decider of worth>the dissolution of the military-industrial complex and war profiteering But only take issue with the methods being used to propagate those arguments, yes, you are in fact the inheritor of that will if you win the death battleRaiden has to fix that shit his own way now or else another Armstrong will rise up to do it himself
>>739265530>freedom is... le bad because... I am scared of having to fight for it>ergo being literal cattle that can never hope for anything is better
>>739265513Go ahead and make 800 billion dollars then. I guarantee you if you sold investors on an idea they would offer you twice that of what elon got.
>>739265590You bubble this post from around the mouthful of kool-aid anon?
>>739265530>"the land of the free" jingoistic propaganda That's what Armstrong calls out though? American Pride and all thatalso>freedom = government jingoism>individualism at any cost is badlol lmao even
>>739265386I don't like nor trust nepobaby trash like Shitstrong. He never struggled nor went through hardship in his life.
>>739265631>
>>739265386Getting the shit beat out of you and having your property confiscated because you were too weak to stop the paramilitary group doesn’t sound like freedom to me
>>739265675>HURRRR UR A CATTLE>HURRRR "FREEDOM IS LE BAD">HURRRR I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU ANYMORE
>>739265645>He never struggled nor went through hardship in his life.The game contrasts this from Raidens perspective with Armstrong considering this parasitic thinking that would just get you exploited by those who are anti-Freedom (see Sam guilting Raiden) and that Raiden is the exception because he is strong, not because he struggled.
>>739265760Armstrong doesn't even try to acknowledge it. Actually he just glosses over it entirely and focuses on Raiden embodying his ideal self.
>>739265736That's literally the opposite of what Armstrong is doing? He's trying to end was as a business.
I goon to Raiden
>>739265808What do you think giving “the strong” the ability to do whatever they want to “the weak” would look like?
>>739265752If you want to win the argument, just name one way you'd defend your freedom :) Any one alternative to Armstrongs methodology, with the same intent :)
>>739265808Like 75% of his plan has nothing to do with that whatsoever, one of the backbones of his plan is having a child-soldier army.
>anons seriously debating the fictitious policy of a comedy character in a comedy game
>>739265808What protections does Armstrong propose to avoid the exploitation of the weak by those with more physical power? Wait what's that? There aren't any? You mean he literally says the weak will be purged and only "the strong" will survive?
>>739265876did you miss the rest of his speech where he describes who the weak and strong are? The whole limpdick lawyers thing, the notion that America is diseased and rotten to the Core, and that he sees Raiden as strong even after Raiden defeats him, due to him respecting self determination and personal justice?
>>739265965Armstrong's argument is that anybody can get up to the level of a hero which is just not true for a lot of reasons that are so obvious they don't need mentioning, nevermind that Armstrong's own source of strength is super fringe technology only he has access to because he's super-richAt no point does the game portray Armstrong as anything but a delusional retard
>>739265943>more physical powerAnon you may be black for missing the point this much. Re-play the game and pay attention to every piece of dialogue starting with Raidens car getting blown up.His speech is only 15 minutes and still handles the problem of justice and conflict better than most people can even conceive.
>>739265965His idea of the weak is anyone he personally dislikes. Hes pushing for every country to work on law of the jungle until he brute forces his way to the topHe was using paramilitaries and child soldiers. If you trusted anything he said, its cuz you’re an idiot and I have a bridge to sell you
>>739265943There's literally nothing wrong with his statement. The niggerfication of the whole the result of globohomos like you.
>>739266089Colonialism is responsible for most of the reasons the world is so fucked up today
>>739266031>>Armstrong's argument is that anybody can get up to the level of a hero which is just not true for a lot of reasons that are so obvious they don't need mentioning, nevermind that Armstrong's own source of strength is super fringe technology only he has access to because he's super-richArmstrong is only using that tech because A. he was trying to make an impression on Sam B. he was dealing with Raiden who he knew was coming to Assassinate him. Armstrongs primary goal wasn't to fight every single American 1 on 1>At no point does the game portray Armstrong as anything but a delusional retard??? At no point does the game paint Armstrong as anything but right, ergo his interactions with Raiden and the reason Raiden sets out to do things his own way quoting Armstrong post credits yada yada.Oh and his boss theme is literally>STANDING HERE>I REALIZE >YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME>TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY>BUT WHOSE TO JUDGE>THE RIGHT FROM WRONG WHEN OUR GUARD IS DOWN I THINK WELL BOTH AGREE...>MAYBE WERE BOTH THE SAME etcplay the game, stop browsing twitter.
>>739265965>When the face eating leopard says he wants to create a system where he gets to eat people's faces with impunity, surely he doesn't mean he'll he eat MY face
>>739266187>STANDING HERE>I REALIZE >YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME>TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY>BUT WHOSE TO JUDGE>THE RIGHT FROM WRONG WHEN OUR GUARD IS DOWN I THINK WELL BOTH AGREE>THAT VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE>BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY>I CUT MY OWN PATH>YOU FOLLOWED YOUR WRATH>BUT MAYBE WERE BOTH THE SAME read into the lyrics if the dialogue doesn't make it obvious
>>739265965>Just regurgitating his platitudes and buzzwords verbatim Actual sheep
>>739266167>Armstrong is only using that tech because A. he was trying to make an impression on Sam B. he was dealing with Raiden who he knew was coming to Assassinate him.Yes anon he turned himself into Hercules with fringe technology he specifically and personally bankrolled, just to impress or attack two people he didn't know existed until well into his plan to take over America.
>>739266275>just to impress or attack two people he didn't know existed until well into his plan to take over America.His plan was to become president and then topple the system, not to stage a coup? That's what the discussion was about
>>739266167>Oh and his boss theme is literallyFrom Armstrong's PoV, like the other Winds' themes. What Armstrong thinks has nothing to do with what Raiden thinks. There's a whole cutscene before this that states, uh, Raiden really disagrees that they're anything alike.
>>739260937Solidus was right too. Seems like Raiden is just a big dumb retard.
>>739263135He says in the ultimate luxury of a videogame board, comfy at home playing a snoy.
>>739265382Retarded, literally every "right" person gets fucked eventually. It doesn't mean they're wrong, not everyone can be superpowered 24/7, even Gigachad eventually has to sleep.>>739265386Armstrong's ideals were retarded. It would just mean the schemers that he was trying to stop would just control society in the end because they would send people like Raiden to do their dirty work. Raiden's ambitions was to eliminate being a puppet to begin with, Armstrong's ambitions were to be the best puppet alive, and he admitted that.Raiden knew Armstrong was full of shit because he went through what Armstrong thought he was going through during S3: He's totally free to do what he wants but here are all the politics he's actually a total slave to. Raiden knew himself because the President told him to his face: Even if a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece.
>>739266410Now you're just being autistic, no the song is not about Armstrong misunderstanding Raiden. The post credits scene has Raiden melancholically quoting Armstrong to Boris, and Armstrong is the only boss that Raiden finishes off by 'absorbing the juice of' (read: blowing up Armstrongs heart the same way he was blowing up the spines of random cyborgs the whole game).
>>739266325That's... staging a coup, anon.
>>739266167>>739266540Oh yeah I missed that post, too. It Has To Be This Way isn't saying that what they're fighting for is right, it's saying they're fighting for the same thing: Which is to be free from political influence. Armstrong's ideals aren't the problem, the problem is his approach is "Fucking Insane" and Raiden is right. You don't escape the chess board by being the strongest playing piece.
>>739266529>>Raiden knew Armstrong was full of shit because he went through what Armstrong thought he was going through during S3: He's totally free to do what he wants but here are all the politics he's actually a total slave to. Raiden knew himself because the President told him to his face: Even if a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece.Not true. Throughout the whole game, Raidens ideals shift closer and closer towards understanding the nature of violence and justice in a way increasingly close to Armstrongs, in the end only disagreeing about methodology and sacrifice of the innocent. That's what this whole scene was setting uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOF-0iEgbtoThe writers are clearly equating Raiden and Armstrong to being the same ideologically, with Raiden absorbing a bit of self awareness from each person he kills.
>>739266167>Armstrongs primary goal wasn't to fight every single American 1 on 1Correct, he instead would throw his paramilitary group and army of child soldier slaves at every single other American, THEN fight 1 on 1 if they manage to get past all that. Kinda like what happens in the game.
>>739266528What have you done to promote freedom and individuality this week anon?
>>739266167>At no point does the game paint Armstrong as anything but rightHe dies to Raiden, which by Armstrong's own philosophy, makes him wrong.
>>739266679
>>739266249>>739266270
>>739266761Armstrong's attempt at "um ackchully" while he's lying on the ground with his heart in Raiden's hands is hysterical
>>739266529>Retarded, literally every "right" person gets fucked eventually. It doesn't mean they're wrongArmstrong himself believes the exact opposite
>>739266761
>>739266706>Not true. Throughout the whole game, Raidens ideals shift closer and closer towards understanding the nature of violence and justice in a way increasingly close to Armstrongs, in the end only disagreeing about methodology and sacrifice of the innocent. That's what this whole scene was setting upNothing about what Raiden says regarding violence is wrong. Violence is the ultimate show of force.He's wrong in thinking that it's the only show of force. It's why Armstrong is still just a playing piece, all he's doing is getting manipulated by the schemers, like the Patriots. Raiden proved multiple times that he's the strongest thing on the battlefield, any battlefield. It didn't help him escape S3 or the Patriots. The Patriots were literally just computers that an old fart pretending to be a dead guy was able to subvert and destroy. If Armstrong's ideals were right, Raiden should have killed Ocelot ten times over, but he never did. Because reality isn't as simple as Armstrong is trying to portray it as.
>>739266904>>739266792Not true, the moral of the game is Raiden realizing his hypocrisy in trying to assume he is always just and realizing he's just been ignoring contradictions his whole life. Even in Armstrongs dialogue/fight, Raiden is realizing he's a hypocrite who was simply doing what HE thought was right, not what was universally true.
>>739266792Screw that retard, he's not deep, he's another cuckold who worked for Armstrong and spends the whole game adopting an ideology to cope with that.Even his ideology of "Killing is.. le good, it's just nature running it's course." is undermined by the fact that he only has his position because he is a magnetic lego man who was put there by someone who programmed him to think that way.
>>739267023Even Raiden admits Monsoon was right
>>739266992>>739267068>Raiden is realizing he's a hypocrite >Even Raiden admits Monsoon was rightGo watch the cutscene again. He doesn't realize he's a hypocrite, he realizes being a hypocrite isn't a bad thing. Every schemer who was controlling Armstrong, and formerly him during MGS4 was a hypocrite. One guy was pretending to be someone else while lying to be two different people. Being a hypocrite isn't morally wrong at all.
>>739263525>EVERY MAN IS FREE TO FIGHT FOR HIMSELF, NOT FOR MONEY, NOT FOR OIL>BUT RATHER FOR THEIR OWN WARSThis would never last. It only opens the field for might makes right. Eventually one mighty man's war will be "enslave the rest of the world" and we'll be back to where we are.
>>739267116>Being a hypocrite isn't morally wrong at all.*when this is the enemy you're fightingPost cut off. Raiden simply realized that you can't win if you expect everyone to uphold some warrior's code. That part is right.
>>739267116>He doesn't realize he's a hypocrite, he realizes being a hypocrite isn't a bad thinganon, you're failing tautologyalso Raiden does stop being a hypocrite by the end of the game, admitting Armstrong was right and trying to save the World with his own "Raiden-ideals" rather than his assumption that he's just good, because he realizes that the people he's killing are still people, not evil, and that the people he is helping are the same just in a different position.
>>739265513it's easy to write all this to-do-list on the internet anon, but how about you go out there and do it. It's not as easy as it looks, not even for wealthy families.
>>739267196>anon, you're failing tautologyAnon you're coping with false dichotomies. Ironically, this was Raiden's realization. The entire idea that killing was bad, or that if you killed one person and enjoyed it then you're just as bad as Armstrong, was a false dichotomy. He didn't have to play by Desperado's fake moral ruleset, they just believed whatever they wanted. >also Raiden does stop being a hypocrite by the end of the game, admitting Armstrong was right and trying to save the World with his own "Raiden-ideals" rather than his assumption that he's just good, because he realizes that the people he's killing are still people, not evil, and that the people he is helping are the same just in a different position.That's not only wrong, that's the opposite of what Raiden comes down to. "If you kill him you're just as bad" is what the game is telling you is a stupid ideal to have when your enemies are mass murderers and the puppets of mass murderers
>>739265938You just found out /v/ is retarded and doesn't have the mental capacity to discuss such a topic?
>A decade later people still fall for a grifter that wanted to turn America into Madmax only superhumans like him can survive and strive in
>>739265938It has implications IRL, you live in a system ran by a president who believes almost all the things Armstrong did.
>>739260937did you play the game retard? the glowies are already dead
Reality is ideology comes later. We define ourselves by how others see us. Armstrong wanted a world where we get to define ourselves then reality itself bends to our will. Its basically the Uber mensch.
>>739267302>That's not only wrong, that's the opposite of what Raiden comes down to. "If you kill him you're just as bad" is what the game is telling you is a stupid ideal to have when your enemies are mass murderers and the puppets of mass murderersNo it's not, and that's not what I'm saying. The Monsoon, Sundowner, Sam and Armstrong dialogues throughout the game are about Raiden realizing that all people are people, that his enemies are all fighting for something and that their reasons aren't invalid just because they're on the other side. He has to pave his own way, not because he doesn't want to do what he wants, but because he realizes that the problem is much bigger and deeper and that he's been ignoring the bigger picture all this time. Ergo after realizing the truth he tries doing things his own way without false pretense and after integrating what he learned through the game takes upon himself a greater burden.>I thought my sword was a tool of justice. Not used in anger. Not used in vengeance. But now I'm not so sure. And besides, this isn't my sword
>>739267264You're right it isn't easy to be born into a privileged, wealthy family.The ultimate cope of every poor person is to believe all the rich people just worked harder than them, even as they watch them demonstrate they are braindead retards who constantly fail upwards in real time.
>>739265270If your belief system is simply the rules of nature then it's not philosophical, it's just life
>>739267691>worked harderno one sane ever cared about working "hard" though? There's at this point millions of billionaires coming out and saying "yo poorfags, work SMART not HARD" and hosting classes and presentations where they give away all their trade secrets in hopes that someone listens to them
>>739267713Why? Philosophy has everything to do with life. Its simply the mind contemplating it's own experience.
>>739267713>rules of natureAND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP
>>739267116Why isn't being a hypocrite wrong if not it deserves being called out for. Reality itself is to be cynical. The strong get there by various means the weak simply lack the courage to do so they create a system in which they benefit by simply participating in voting themselves into slavery.
>>739267479I'm saying you're right in that he has to pave his way and their ideologies aren't invalid just because they're on the other side. I'm saying they simply do not work, their ideologies are wrong because they're counterproductive things to believe for the world they wanted.Let's say Armstrong DID win, and he broke Raiden in half with his bare hands. Nothing he believed or what he was doing would lead to his paradise of Winner-Take-All absolutism. It would have just created The Patriots 2.0, and the theme of the Patriots is that every single one of them got fucked over by the machinations they created. Armstrong would have been no different.
>>739262814Mongolian empire was pretty much a meritocracy
>>739268001>The Patriots 2.0Weren't the patriots the opposite? They>censored, lied and created context>to justify leading humanity to their own ambitions against humanity's judgement or awareness, which was in essence mostly with the goal of a one world AI government>the Patriots did not respect individual freedom and only saw people as a means to an end, to the point where everything was centralized through the patriots, even internal thinking in MGS4
>>739268001You mean they were the patriots defeated by snake who was their creation?
>>739267941>Why isn't being a hypocrite wrong if not it deserves being called out for. Because the people Raiden was fighting don't have a moral code. They simply believed in Chaos and the Laws of Nature for winner-take-all sake. So when Monsoon corners Raiden and begins moralizing him about the virtues of killing and the hypocrisy of nature, he is so full of shit that it's running out of his cybernetic eyes. The message may be valid for Raiden, but Monsoon has zero right to lecture anybody on this while he's a walking jigsaw puzzle with 99% somebody else's tech.>The strong get there by various means the weak simply lack the courage to do so they create a system in which they benefit by simply participating in voting themselves into slavery.Even Monsoon, Sam, Armstrong were defenseless and weak when they were kids the same age that Desperado was kidnapping to make into cybernetic soldiers. That's why Monsoon is full of shit: if he actually believed in this hypocritical ideology, he wouldn't be defending the guy making child soldiers. The entire moral framework the villains operate on is bogus and Raiden is right not to respect it.
>>739267776They say "work smart", then scam idiots like you into buying their books and courses on success that don't actually work unless you already have tons of money to invest.
>>739268005Cao Cao's kingdom of Wei taking over China is regarded similarly too, historically he demanded punishment for himself if he was found to have broken one of his own rules or laws
>>739268182>into buying their books and courses on success that don't actually work unless you already have tons of money to invest.Most billionares courses are all free. They're fucking billionares, selling a course would be pocket change to them. Just look them up on youtube (start w/ Warren Buffet)
>>739268127The Patriots got fucked by SnakeTheir SSS plan got fucked by RaidenThe Wisemen got fucked by Skull FaceZero spends most of his life in a coma Big Boss got burned to death, rebuilt, then died from Foxdie.The moral of the series is that Might-Makes-Right doesn't actually work when most of your fight is political. Might is a soldier's game, right is a politician's game.
>>739268174>So when Monsoon corners Raiden and begins moralizing him about the virtues of killing and the hypocrisy of nature, he is so full of shit that it's running out of his cybernetic eyes.Rewatch the part where Sam tells Raiden about the inner monologues of the people Raiden is killing, Raiden does eventually accept Monsoon as right, not as hypocritical.>child soldiersThis is asked in the game, if Child Soldiers are bad why is Raiden the Hero?
>>739268271Anon, the Patriots/Wisemen/Zero/Big Boss weren't following Armstrongs (based) ideology, they were following the Boss's ideology (cringe) because they treated her as a mother figure.
>>739268271Its like the mafia where on a long enough timeliness they rat each other away then kill each other to get their fair shares. At least Armstrong didn't pretend he simply wasn't a politician who cared.
>>739262814>how is that not a noble goalBecause rising above nature is how humans conquered the earth. Slavery/cooperation/collectivism built civilizations. Without a power structure directing the masses progress grinds to a halt
>>739268231Naive lamb that you are to believe they aren't getting paid in some way. You talk about working smart but are blind to all the ways rich people get rich beyond the big successful company.
>>739268571Tell me that again. Civilization is built on mass violence that kills far more people then any warlord ever could.
>>739268571What is "progress", really?
>>739268643No it's not retard. Humans are naturally social animals that work better in communities that look out for each other and cooperate. Our greatest leaps in evolution came from establishing larger communities to invent agriculture, the bedrock of civilization.
>>739264378>3rd world despot warlordsdespot warlords don't actually encourage their people to be "might makes right" tho. it's usually corrupt democracy supported by CIA
>>739268643We're making the mother of all omelettes here Jack>>739268692For one thing it's the technology that Armstrong uses to become the strong
>>739266053most lawyers don't provide much of anything to civilization doe
>>739268368Armstrong wasn't "based" he was only less retarded than Big Boss & Zero/The Patriots
>>739268818Your ideas are just wrong. Just look at the 20th century when "civilization" decided to drag a mass war twice over. No warlord would ever accept killing millions of his country men for such a stupid idea.its only when you get to politics and the such that sway the masses of idiots into a frenzy. Ww3 will be fought with nukes and destroy much of this so called civilization.
>>739262814We already live in a world where the strong rule and the weak obey, it's just that money is strength. His system would be no different with a strong elite ruling and would by all accounts eventually devolve into the people with money ruling again.
>>739266679the problem is that there isn't another way and though raiden is fighting for his ideals, he's still at square 1 fighting for the patriot system/war economy
>>739269112armstrong's method would at least shake up the moneyed class permanently for a few generations
>>739269110Yet you advocate for a man that wants to kill millions of your own country men over an even more stupid idea.
>>739269112People with money in the future would be able to purchase augments and designer babies with high iqs. The strong will be born not forged like jack was. Jack was strong because he was exceptional. He survived the killing fields when most did not. Scientists could infer and base a new generation of men just like Big Boss was cloned.
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>>739269262It literally wouldn't since they'd all just get nanomachine steroids like Armstrong or at the very least have their own paramilitary group to protect them.
>>739269262Armstrong's method would entrench Money = Power forever, literally forever because nobody would be capable of killing them under conventional circumstances.
>>739269356armstrong (presumably) has exclusive access to his nano tech, so it's unlikely he would give it to nepo babies or rich families
>>739269412it's already money = power forever ding dong
>>739269493Translating money into physical power, though?
>>739269557yes, the nano tech would go into people willing to personally FIGHT using itthis is basically the pinnacle of armstrong's philosophy. the power should go to people willing to PERSONALLY fight, not hiding behind other people to do their work. war would still exist, but it would be the end of "war as a business"
>>739269642They're not going to fight using it, hell Armstrong didn't do that either until he was completely backed against a wall on two occasions we know about, they're going to use it to yell "MINOR SOCIOPOLITICAL STATUS MISCALCULATION. I WIN" and then rip the energy out of a passing helicopter and turn into Zeus.
>>73926864We're making the mother of all omelettes here Jack>>739268692For one thing it's the technology that Armstrong uses to become the strong>>739269642Strength has always been a commodity to be bought and sold. How do you end war as a business without ending capitalism?
>>739269764armstrong and all the people following him did in fact fight 1v1 to the death for their goals. that's the major distinction. armstrong wants to upend the system and put the power into the hands of the strong willing to do fights to the death.lawyers and nepo babies don't do that. it's a simple warrior philosophy that dates back to ancient societies where landowners were expected to go on war campaigns (greeks, latins, etc). yeah it's a simplified action game philosophy, but its cogent.
>>739264674And he used it buy twitter instead lmao
>>739269841>How do you end war as a business without ending capitalism?by making people who desire the war actually choose it and fight it for themselves. if you've read the illiad, nobody would have gone to fight the trojans if menelaus and agamemnon stayed behind.
>>739269886Armstrong used a Metal Gear to keep his EPIC falseflag going until he realized it was just dead in the water (along with the machine), he's not a warrior he's a coward. He only fights when the cameras are off
>>739269954but he did in fact fight to the death
>metal gear rising: revengeance happened 8 years agonot like this bros....
>>739264742>I agreeAh, so I am right! Very good.>I disagreeAh, and so you vindicate my philosophy! I am very intelligent.
>>739269935Why fight yourself when you can pay someone else to fight for you? What if the only thing the strong believes in is the highest bidder?
>character is called Armstrong >he has strong armsWho writes this stuff?
>>739270186so you don't drag a bunch of other people into a war you don't have the conviction to literally get in and fight yourself
>>739269447He very much doesn't, nor would that stop other rich and powerful people from poaching the tech from the people that actually make it.
>>739270308Who's gonna care when enough money can guarantee security for the employer and employee, and there's always the child soldier slaves to fall back on.
>>739270438armstrong's entire position isn't necessarily that it's bad the rich will get nano tech. it's bad that these people will get others to fight their wars. his position is that power goes to those who personally fight for it, which would disqualify the rich financier since they would become targets of armstrong and his crew seeking to topple them and their system
>>739270571Then it's just gonna become yet another proxy war fought by rich assholes throwing human ammunition at each other. Armstrong is a total hypocrite having Desparado and child soldiers do 99% of the dirty work for him while we only ever see him fight 2 guys.
>>739270308And buying soldiers takes conviction?
This would have been a good ending to the game. Both guys recognize each other's skills and ability. Both men understand that they don't want to be pawns anymore. But no Raidens pride won't allow it he has to be the last man standing. Raiden is the hypocrite who loves killing and justifies it by dehumanizing his enemies.
>>739270697>then it's just another proxy warit's actually just a flavor neo-feudalism. and one of the biggest themes of MGS is liberating the soldier as a tool and putting all the power into the soldier willing to fight personally on the battlefield >child soldiers well, you wouldn't think he's a bad guy if they just gave him regular soldiers to use right
>>739260937We're all glowies now. Someone of us just haven't been given assassination orders and the right push.
>>739270802if you're willing to fight with them and be in the front lines with them (see alexander the great and a bunch of other ancient generals in history) sure why not
>>739260937the term is "glownigger" you reddit tourist
>>739270934What happens if you don't?
>>739271024then you're just another limp dick lawyer and some nano tech footballer will come after your head
>>739270885Thats the thing. Big Boss and Armstrong have the same idea. In today's world soldiers aren't moral actors. They are simple robots who obey orders. If ordered to destroy a hospital with patients in it they will do so. If one were to give those at arms a real moral code like a samurai and have them choose to fight their own wars instead of being puppets for rich men. Think Sengoku Period Japan where each ruling Daiymo was protected by clans who consisted of powerful families. They constantly choose sides during wars and were free to not fight at all.
>>739271049What if I pay a bunch of nano tech footballers to fight the nano tech footballer?
>>739271198possible, but the system will be completely dismantled and some other group will come after you. it's a neo-feudalist society, the idea is to break up the federal government into something imitating the greek polis system. they just had armstrong employ child soldiers because otherwise raiden would have agreed with him (it's just a variation of big boss philosophy)
>>739271327They had Armstrong employ child soldiers because he's roleplaying as Solidus Snake for the whole game, something Sundowner even calls attention to with their kidnap-and-train program being named the Sears Project.
>>739269642>yes, the nano tech would go into people willing to personally FIGHT using itActually it went to kids he kidnapped off the street and put their brains in jars for conditioning to be his footsoldiers.
>>739271404yes yes, but I'm saying they had him do that because he's supposed to be the villain. his actual philosophy makes sense and is defensible when you realize their government was just patriots AI for most of their history
>>739271404Did anyone actually find it strange that President Sears was literally fucking Solidus. This guy still has the anger that he was never in on the Patriots despite being the one in charge of the country?
>>739271653Armstrong parallels Sears in that respect that he thinks being a queen on the chess-board means he can enact some kind of meaningful change against Deep State.
>>739271696and yet raiden fights to perpetuate the fake system that only gives false dichotomies to keep itself alive
>>739271764Raiden fights because one guy trying to become a queen is still causing a metric butt-ton of avoidable collateral damage, up to and including destabilizing African nations on purpose.
>>739271696I mean in the end Big Boss failed too. So what if he killed Zero in thr cemetery he never got his true revenge the man was already a vegetable by the time he got his hands on him.
>>739271809>destabilizing african nations on purposethe system Jack fights for already does that as a matter of courseyou've been had, Jack!
>>739271892>it's OK when i do it, because maybe some day i'll stop doing itNo wonder /v/ posters wash Armstrong's balls.
>>739271943armstrong does it and offers a way out of it as a dissident, jack just ends up the defending the systemif armstrong didn't use child soldiers he would have probably joined him
>>739270231hideo and kojima passed down their memes to young japanese devs
>>739272082Jack is a retard and he knows it. GW tried to tell him how stupid he was Solidius confirmed that. Then he gets a call from Snake telling him to forget about it and be who he wants to be since all reality isn't actually factual.
>>739272082>offers a way out of itArmstrong's proposed system is worse, you realize.
>>739272363because of plot, yes. jack only rejects armstrong because he's hekkin mean
>>739272447I'm fascinated by your imaginary version of Armstrong where he has no conflict with Raiden and where he wasn't a huge Solidus Snake wannabe.
How does Raiden prove him right? Doesn't the fact that the strong won only prove Armstrong has nothing to fight for?
>>739261367He wanted wars to have meaning again, so you can fight for things you believe in rather than dying for israel, not that he would get rid of them
>>739272484their methods are extreme because they're the bad guys but the point of their insurrection is logical because they know the system they are all enslaved to is false. this is why people love solidus and armstrong despite hideo and kojima too afraid of giving them legitimacy
>>739272578Raiden proves him right in the sense that Armstrong's philosophy is so shallow and self-fellating that you can't really do anything against it without him winning, so zero-summing him and just killing him is the overall best course of action. Armstrong isn't a philosopher, debater or even a very intelligent guy, it really doesn't matter what you say or do, he's gonna wave his ass at you and yell that his morals are infallible, and then probably try and kill you depending on if you can actually pose a physical threat to him, or you've just looked at him wrong and he doesn't like you.
Armstrong didn't really have a plan, he just had ideals. It's very easy to claim you have the solution when you say "And then I'm going to make a utopia where everything is amazing and great" without going into detail on how you'd actually make it work
>>739272836Armstrong's "plan" to me sounded like:>give everyone in America, down to the babies in their cribs, a shotgun and 100 shells>suspend ALL laws immediately>anyone can fight any war they want at any time>?????>America is great againIt's like a japanese teenager's idea of bringing back the Wild West, spoken though an American muscleman.
>>739273010It's inherently flawed because group power outweighs individual power and the moment any group of people come together to combine their strength, they can subjugate others and it goes back to a ruling elite. Said ruling elite pool together their shotguns and shells, then every time they encounter someone they take their shotguns away and make them subservient, then they introduce laws to prevent anyone from challenging their shotguns
>>739273096Everyone in America has the constitution right to own a nuke. There problem solved. Libertarianism wins again.
>>739272836>>739273010he literally spells it out for you during the last fight.
>>739272836I'd say he doesn't even have ideals, or at least not ones that are cogent. One of the things that stuck with me across the Winds of Destructions' themes is that none of them talk in any specificity about what the hell they're doing or what they're doing it. Mistral wants to be dumped into a violence-orgy with no affiliation to either side, Sundowner wants to kill whoever he wants whenever he wants and not face any consequences for it, Monsoon wants to inflict his suffering from the Pol Pot regime onto everyone else (apparently so much so he's willing to ally with an American politician over it), Sam has no idea what he's doing in the Winds, openly doesn't care for Armstrong's or the Winds' moralizing, but it's the latest in a long string of fights and he enjoys the actual act of fighting.Or, like, Mistral's sneer when Raiden says he protects the weak, after asking what his ideals are. Whether she knew it was a bullshit answer or not I'm not sure, but I think she also didn't like that Raiden HAD an answer.
>>739273195How long did it take you to draw this?
>>739273298How new are you?
>>739273298Imagine being this much of a newfag
>>739273195classic
>>739266754This week, nothing. I did serve 6 years in the army though and 2 weeks ago paid 80k in taxes. This week Im taking it easy.
>>739273352>imagine thinking serving in the US army made a better change in the world. I literally made the world freer by lying in bed then you.
>>739273205How expensive would an Amazon Basics or Costco nuke be if the common man could buy one?
>ITT Retards discover the Iron law of oligarchy
>>739273598Probably it's weight in gold
>>739270885>well, you wouldn't think he's a bad guy if they just gave him regular soldiers to use rightI already mentioned desperado
>If I win, that means might makes right exists>if I lose, that means might makes right existsHow do you beat armstrong???
>>739274853I call it the Armstrong paradox.
>>739274853because it does exist
>>739274853
>>739273010this is stupid but i guess its better than being ruled by jews who rape children on private islands
>>739274968>jews come together and pool their resources>anyone with less shotguns than them loses>jews take your kids or else they'll shoot you with their shotgun>rape kids on islands anywayswhats the difference
>>739271489Only if you're retarded
>>739273237Mistrals whole family was murdered in the cival war of Algeria. She's half French with a superiority complex like in all movies. Like the song goes so does life. There was a thing she had for raiden but he is gay after all and didn't notice her cues.
>>739272637Solidus had legitimacy, Armstrong is just a retard that wants total anarchy
>>739275010Jews would lose any war where they single themselves out. The entire point of intermarrying was to be as European as possible.
>>739275142Armstrong was a freemason(patriot). Order out of Chaos. He saw the only way to defeat hypocrisy including himself was a constant struggle of the will. This was basically Hitlers ideal German who would eventually surpass the need of a state.
>>739275296>Order out of chaosMeaning rich elites pooling resources and strength to consolidate power and create an even more extreme feudalist system. Wow I can feel the freedom penetrating my rectum
>>739275393again, even elites participated in conflict before the modern era. they led their own men into battle in the medieval feudalist era.
>>739275393This is what is happening right now. Armstrong was simply a guy who hated the hypocrisy of a system calling itself democratic when it clearly wasn't.
>>739275719You mean a bunch of people fighting other people's ways?>>739275730>>739272363
>>739275894*wars
>>739275894Difference is soldiers gain nothing from war. At least a mercenary can justify why he goes to war for a soldier he cannot hes a robot without a conscience. I respect warlords more then them.
>American imperialism is justified because they had a black president onceDo mutts really believe this shit?
>>739275719So?
>>739276248American imperialism is justified because it's the strongest ape in the room.
>>739276248forcing elites to go into wars isn't very pro imperialist
>>739261069the most based analysis
>>739260937Might makes right. Armstrong lost. Simple as that.
>>739275719So?>>739276553Define right
>>739276536See>>739274853>>739274902
>>739260937Raiden is literally retarded and Solidus should have beat him more
>>739276612>Define rightIn the words of Charlie Sheen,>winningRaiden won, Armstrong lost, Raiden therefore is right. That's how the world works.
>>739276769Raiden won because he was the stronger one and that makes Armstrong right.
>>739276769That's not right
>>739276769>>739276852Armstrong believed that and he lost so that's wrong
>>739263904bait
>>739276852Here let me be specific because you seem lost. Armstrong's methodology, using children to build an army to plunge the world into a war again, is wrong, because Raiden disapproved and Raiden beat Armstrong.>>739276853It's just a law of the universe sorry anon.
>>739268576I don't give a damn if they're getting paid. They're not receiving my money. That's all that matters to me. In fact, getting paid while doing a free course is the perfect example of WORK SMART
>>739276914The universe doesn't concern itself with human constructs like right and wrong
>>739260937Mgs3 is woke slop
>>739276914If I proclaim 2+2=5 and beat the shit out of everyone who argues am I right?
>>739260937>might-makes-right niggas when someone stronger than them kills them
>>739277301I didn't say the universe concerns itself with anything. But, like how objects with mass attract objects with mass, the universe has laid the plot for strength to matter above all else for organic lifeforms. A weak organic lifeform will not as easily pass on its genes (and now memes) as a strong one. Hence being a law of the universe. >>739277481Yes. That's how it works.
>>739277859>what happens happensVery interesting professor but that has nothing to do with right and wrong
>>739277928You aren't quoting me.
What is the point of these threads? Why discuss shit like strength when clearly every man is equal and our only differences are bogus stuff like status, knowledge, magical thinking?Superhero movies, delusions of individualism, anime made you all think you will awaken and became famous through your magical girl powers one day and you don't even realize it.Reality is much simpler than that. It's a bunch of men meeting up, larping their way to status and ordering mindless goons to dispose of anyone in their way while the exploited sheep beg carry on. It's that simple. Both chaos and order are evil, all ideologies lead to the same road, all changes require martyrs. Imagine unironically discussing video game politic fairy tale.
>>739273298retard
>>739278069The point of 4chan is to waste time.
Those who base their values on who's winning are weak minded. It's not a matter of if, but when they will betray their comrades
>>739262664He’s using war as a business to get elected so he can end war as a business.>>739262814He’ll find out the hard way that there’s no “individual”, and that those with strong will & independent thoughts are merely designed to lead the herd but that humanity is designed to organize socially at the end of the day; Armstrong’s darwinistic anarchy will just lead to another government at the end of the day as the system he’s proposing has no capacity to sustain itself nor prevent strong states from forming. Monsoon was right that memes are the DNA of the soul; awareness of the memes that influence you doesn’t create non-influence but rather just allows for a different program to be installed. There is no “blank slate” of unsocialized, unprogrammed individual as trying to break the programming just sends you to a menu where you get to choose another program.
>>739278069If you believe that every man is equal then you either suffer from solipsism where you cannot draw objective distinctions between yourself & others or you just haven’t interacted with others in general, and seeing as you frequent /v/, both of these possibilities are probably simultaneously true.
>>739260937Armstrong is a darwinist who’s overdosed on blackpills & offers no constructive vision for the future, while Raiden is a hypocrite with imposter syndrome who’s causes are nothing more than an excuse to give into bloodlust.
I don't care what either of their goals are. I just wanna swoosh a cool sword around
>>739262928War is the truest form of divination It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.
>>739260937Didn't Raiden ended up continuing his legacy?
>>739267413Lol lmao
>>739279527>He’s using war as a business to get elected so he can end war as a business.War will inevitably become a business in his system as only those with money and resources will be the ones in control who will consolidate the power of the masses underneath them.
>>739279951At least Raiden is able to reconcile his lust for violence and direct it towards a just cause
>>739278297Fucking Problem is that too many idiots think they're saying something profound and their opinions matter
>>739279951>offers no constructive vision for the futureGrowing up is realising that this is much better than the state trying to force a plan to work.
>>739282472>Yeah it would be so based if I could just shoot all the people I don't like!>Wait why is the whole country on fire?!
>>739261836Yes they were
>>739260937The point of Armstrong was that while he was a fucking horrible person and had a lot of terrible views, he's still better than most politicians out there as he's not trying to gain power for himself and genuinely DOES care about his voters. And that's incredibly fucked.
>>739263525>...like Raiden at the end of the game after absorbing Armstrongs "Heart" (metaphorically)LUDO KINO
>>739263024Nah he's a nepo
>>739267196>because he realizes that the people he's killing are still people, not evil, and that the people he is helping are the same just in a different position.Instead of killing these people working for maniacs... I'm going to kill people working for maniacs that are in suits this time!
>>739285985>as he's not trying to gain power for himself*ROID RAGES ON TOP OF A DESTROYED METAL GEAR*
>>739287274Well I mean just for himself. Obviously any reasonable person would make laws that assist everyone including themselves.
>>739287360>any reasonable person
>>739287551Yeah I'm saying HE'S ONE OF THE FEW REASONABLE POLITICIANS and that fact is incredibly fucked.
>>739260937Armstrong was comically evil, but his charisma makes you think he's not all that evil.
>>739287573wouldn't being reasonable involve more compromise on his end?
>>739287619compromise doesn't work in the metal gear universe. when the us tried it with russia a fucking city got nuked and they had to kill one of their own best agents.
>>739261868The children yearn for the battlefield, anon.
These threads are the videogame equivalent of genuinely arguing whether Tommy Wisseau really did hit her or if he did naht.
>>739264554Doesn't he try to kill him without negotiation until one specific moment where he pretends to momentarily agree with him?
>>739287975Everyone knows he didn't. That accusation was demonstrably false!
>>739288057literally Armstrong's ideal guy, he wants child soldiers to fight his own battleshe's insane, people miss that
>>739278069>Every man is equalRicky Berwick could fuck you up by that metric then. Telling us you're more physically feeble and pathetic than Ricky Berwick?
>>739288257Ricky Berwick would easily kill me if he was president and wanted to for some reason
I don't understand why people think Armstrong taught Raiden anything. He was already fighting his own wars as far back as 4. Now he just has a catchphrase.
>>739261069So right that Raiden even acknowledged it
>>739288695He was emphatically not. Raiden is introduced in 4 as considering himself as a person dead. Regaining Rose and his son is his first step towards becoming a person again as opposed to a machine, yet he still is averse to fighting his own wars - he and his sword are tools of justice, rather than acting on their own. Revengeance is about throwing this mindset back in his face and forcing him to take responsibility for his own actions. This is what Armstrong's whole ideal of "every man free to fight his own wars" is, that you're not fighting for something someone else tells you is right, but what you decide is right.
>>7392618681.) No it isn't2.) I'd like to see you suggest some other way to utilize third world gutter vermin
>>7392628141 CE is not the inception of human history, you braindead chr*stcuck brown faggot
>>739268571Slavery and cooperation are diametric opposites, not something rendered interchangeable with a slash, you fucking pigshit retarded zoomerito.
>>739260937Armstrong should have begged for his life at the end. Offer to suck Raiden's robo dick and eat his shit too.
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>>739274853You can't. He is a great character because the philosophy he espouses is objectively correct. The fact that you can't find a logical way to prove him wrong doesn't mean there is something inherently broken about it, just hidden from sight somewhere, it just means it is the natural truth. This makes intellectuals seethe, because you can't overthink your way out of it.
>>739268231>Warren BuffetThe only honest billionaire. He's said we live in a class war, and his class is winning. Even then, I'm sure he tries to push self-serving propaganda, like all of them do. See Bill Gates giving his expert economic opinion of taxing consumption instead of income, lol. You are such a sheep it's kind of nostalgic, people with your brand of retardation are rare these days.
>>739272578Raiden agrees with Armstrongs point after defeating him
