>"I have the high gro-ACK!"
Why didnt Anakin just force pull Obi into the lava.
>>739261715...and then anakin woke up in the suit.
>Have this character that obviously goes to the Dark Side.>Spend a whole cartoon series amping him up while exploring a lot of really cool planets, races, and villains.>Have a perfect cast for literally every single character.>You know what happens to him, and you can't explore a different reality where he just wakes up from a shared dream and ignores the Dark Side.Anakin is a good character that gets boned because his future was made before his past. I think it's a big part why people say they don't like the prequels. You have to make a character likeable just to plot twist him into making the stupidest decisions imaginable. Like, this well trained Jedi is going to trade his whole life to kill a bunch of kids? How would that not get in the way of his relationship? Why can't he find a workaround in the Light Side?
>>739261843He wanted to kill Obi-Wan using the same move that Obi-Wan used to defeat Darth Maul to prove that he could. Could Anakin have just overpowered Obi-Wan with the Force like Dooku did? Probably. But Anakin was on the good shit at the time and wasn't thinking clearly.
>>739261843Jedi can't normally just force push/pull each other unless the other person is distracted or has much weaker control over the Force. Jedi fights look like two guys either standing around doing nothing or dancing-fighting because they are constantly:>looking into the future and seeing where the other guy will swing his lightsaber>grappling with the Force to gain more control over it than their opponent>trying to physically outspeed or distract their opponent to force an unblockable attack or rip the Force away from their opponentThere are exceptions, like how Sidious can throw lightning at people and most of them don't know how to use the Force or a lightsaber to effectively block it, but even then there is usually an easy way to block tricks like that, as we see in the movies where Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan easily block that attack.
>>739266209>earlier in the same movie
>>739266209thats a gigantic mental gymnastics
>>739261843he forgot
>>739266429Sith lords are our speciality.
>>739266429Doesn't contradict anything. Earlier in that fight, there's a cut to Palpatine's face immediately before Dooku pushes Obi-wan, to imply he's subtly rigging the fight to force Anakin into a 1v1. And even if he isn't, Dooku is the same guy who cut off Anakin's arm and beat them in a 2v1 situation once already; he's portrayed as being strong enough to use force powers on Jedi against their will. By contrast, Anakin and Obi-wan are repeatedly depicted as being about equal in strength by the time of RotS, both in the movie and the Clone Wars materials.>>739266487Welcome to Star Wars discussion. It's been this way for decades.
>>739261843Key things shown in the film and elaborated on in the novelization:1. Anakin not once throughout the fight until hes actually had his limbs chopped off has Sith Eyes. There is still a conflict of light and dark fighting inside him. 2. Obi-Wan knows how Anakin fights and vice-versa. The duel is less about power and more about overcoming the bonds of familiarity from a former mentor, friend and father figure. 3. Unless theres a huge disparity between the duelists e.g. if Yoda was fighting Ventress, Jedi cant normally push or force pull items or their opponent away without significant concentration. As all duels are as much a mental fight as a physical one. Furthermore they both tried earlier to force push each other and cancelled each other out.
>Obi-Wan fights Sith Lords four times in the Prequels>literally half of the fights end with him being yeeted by the Force against his will
>>739262797>vader bragging about his powergo back and clean the emperor's toilet you second fiddle
>>739267227He's just not that strong, not in terms of raw power at least.
>>739266692cheeky reference
>>739267048This. I always thought that to force push/pull, you need the opponent to be distracted/lose focus, even if just for a few seconds
>obi-wan tells anakin he WAS the chosen one>anakin is no longer the chosen one, he is now vader>vader tries to use [Spinning]>only the chosen one can use [Spinning], all others are doomed>vader fails and gets mauled
>>739267528Obi-Wan was locked in against Darth Maul and Darth Maul just gives him a shove into the pit.
Kenobi carried the prequels on his back. He did all the heavy lifting except for Dooku.
>>739267593>carried the prequelsThat would be CIS
>>739267593>enter Ian McDiarmid
>>739261843Anakin was too pissed to think straight. He MIGHT have had enough power to do so, but he was too angry to think, and that proved his ruin.
Just be like Windu>Spot a retard>Crush his lungs in ~2 secondsThere. No need for dueling.
>>739267528Remember that force users also have precognition. You are trying to outpredict your opponents next moves which ties back into the fights being mental as well as physical. If your opponent sees you plan to execute a devious force push they can possibly dodge it or prepare and counterattack accordingly.
>>739261843Obi Wan was simply more skilled at dueling than Anakin. Force potential didn't really factor into it.
>>739267583Obi Wan was fighting with rage. Maul was literally playing with him at that point.
>>739261715that game is unintentionally hilarious
>>739268759based, it should've gone this way
>>739268759mfw this wasn't in the movie
>>739265227The real problem is the character whiplash from this episode where he's being a good friend and even putting up with Asokha's shit, then you jump to RotS where even though he's having fun, he's still a brooding asshole.
>>739268759>all these show off lightsaber flips and stunts>aggressively and confidently kicks mace out the window without a hint of hesitation >WHAT HAVE I DONE?!!?
>>739269165Wow that's crazy. It's almost like TCW doesn't fit with the movies at all.
>>739268821>>739268913>Cutting out the POWAH linesNah>>739269247I mean they tried a few times to hint Anikan would turn evil. At least with the force planet, they just hit the reset button.
>>739269168>when the post-kill clarity hits you
>>739266487Yeah, no shit. It's Star Wars autism. Vader canonically has a lightsaber that can change its length depending on the situation because the OT had inconsistent visuals.
>>739269165>>739269247At the beginning of the movie Anakin is quite similar to his characterization in TCW. If you look closely, his behavior changes after he has the nightmare about Padme. I think it makes sense that the Anakin in TCW is completely different from the one in the movies, since in that period he was married with the girl he always loved and is quite happy, whereas in Episode II he's a horny teenager who desires Padme, and in most of Episode III he's afraid of losing her.
>It's over, Obi-Wan! I have the high ground!
>>739269548>Vader canonically has a lightsaber that can change its length depending on the situationThis reminds me that Square Enix canonically did this for Sephiroth's Masamune with the Ever Crisis game.
>>739269658Genndy Wars Anakin always seemed a much more seamless transitory Episode II-III Anakin to me than TCW's Han Solo with a sword and the Force portrayal.
>>739266724Sith lords are sissies.
So whatever happened to Anakin's and Luke's severed limbs?Appendages from such legendary characters must have surely been kept by someone, right?
>>739270132Anakin's legs and arm rolled into the lava river as he tumbled down the sandbank. I suppose the arm on Geonosis probably would have been recoverable. You'd think they'd have the medical technology to just reattach it after Dooku bailed.
>>739265757>>739267915Going out of his way to kill Tusken Raiders instead of going back to the Empire after his mission was crazy
>>739270132>Anakin'sfell into lava, irrecoverable>Luke's fell down a chute on a place that's hovering a gas giant, irrecoverable as well
did vaders pp get burnt? youch
>>739267583That can be explained by obi wan being a shitter padawanThe real plot hole of that fight's choreography is how Obi-wan's final flip attack even worked. It was slow as hell. Darth maul had like a solid two seconds to react but he just fucking fluoride stared while obi-wan did an undefended arc to land right next to him.
>>739270658Obi-Wan was not a shitter Padawan. He was a Jedi Knight in all but name. Qui-Gon Jinn told him like three scenes before the fight that there was nothing else for Qui-Gon to teach him.
>>739270132Luke's was found by some weird jedi that worked with Thrawn and they gave it to the Emperor.They made Luuke with that.
>>739270638At least he'll never have to shave his balls again.
>>739269787Do you just not like cartoons? TCW is really good, and suspension of disbelief is easy to do to connect the movies (but I think TCW has better acting than he prequels). Han Solo is a solemn character -- nothing like peak Anakin.
>>739269247totally forgot about Jedi Shaggy
>>739270471How is Vader so shitty after losing Padme and proving that his life was better on the Light Side? Nothing done for the Dark Side ever amounts to anything.
I miss when ANH Force was just a mystical shit, vaguely about precognition and mind fuckery. I can accept force choke as a some sort of outlier or apex of it. But then Yoda lifted the X-Wing, Palpy used lightning and the rest was history.Oh well
>>739271498>Do you just not like cartoons?but I cited a cartoon as my favored portrayal?
>>739271616Downward spiral of not only being the cause of your loved ones death, but crippled for life being a quad amputee and heavily burned.
>>739271616Sunk cost fallacy
>>739271625The first depiction of the force is a guy being lifted off the ground so Yoda and the x wing shouldn't even be mentioned as some tipping point
>>739261715https://youtu.be/yJZFLeYJrn0?list=RDyJZFLeYJrn0>will never have SOVL like this ever again
>>739271616Imagine getting duped by a mentor figure because of vague nightmares and causing your own self-destructive path towards misery.
I'm glad that the dude who played Ainakin is getting more appreciation these days.
>>739274270To be fair, the last time he had vague nightmares, his mom was tortured to death.
>>739274532we love Hayden
>>739274831Say what you will about the Disney slop series, he has done well reprising his role as anakin/vader
>>739267553>only the chosen one can use [Spinning], all others are doomedPalpatine spins.
>>739274532Well, one of them at least.
>>739275005It was a good trick.
>do not have intercourse with the Miraluka>bang my daughter instead
hot take jedi and sith are the least interesting part about star warswhole galaxy with all these factions and stories and history but it's always gotta be about these motherfuckers and their gayass laser swords and plothole abilities
revan understood snacks
>>739277161Space wizards are the only unique things star wars has. Without them it's just pulp sci-fi.
>>739267784>Obi Wan was simply more skilled at dueling than AnakinNope. Obi-Wan jobbed to Dooku twice. While Anakin btfo him easily.
>>739265757How did he know what move obiwan used to kill Darth maul Did obiwan give a play by play to the councilDid he tell AnakinDid he say that after he saw his master die he was hanging from a pipe and then decided to flip up in the air and cut a guy in half
>I'll suck your dick, Anakin! I'll even your shit!woah
>>739267593It's treason, then.
>>739270132>Bespin maintenance man who finds Luke's severed arm wherever it fell: "OMG that's LUKE SKYWALKER'S arm, I know this somehow and somehow know who he is"
>>739267024at that point why is palpatine not just force crushing obi-wans lungswas dooku aware that palpatine was Darth sidiouswith Darth sidious doing everything it makes everyone else feel useless and retarded
>>739279285obi-wan was absolutely a superior duelist, but anakin had more force power and a higher battle IQ
>>739279314the palantir surveillance cameras recorded the fight
It pains me knowing I could save Star Wars, that I'm only one person removed from the conversation with the people I would need (Iger, et al) but that the likelihood of this happening is zero because they've already locked themselves into a decade of terrible decisions
>>739279701Give us the QRD on how you would do it
>>739277161>whole galaxy with all these factions and stories and historyname 5
>>739279816Officially declare 7-9 and current Disney wars as legends, legends is a group of continuities that connect to each other but are unreliably narrated so we can't know how it really happenednew trilogy starting at episode 13, 6 story gap, allow for development of new factions and new stories, specifically hold that the empire is still around but just one of many powers (including the new Coruscant Republic) in a post-crisis galaxy where hyperspace is "locked," the lanes are disrupted, and communication across the galaxy has lapsedlot of exploration, spanish empire vibes with a galactic crusade seeking to unite the galaxy with stabilized hyperspace travel once again follow a salvaging company drafted by the crusaders to dig up old engines and the like, yada yada, full trilogy following three men of divergent moral compasses and ideologies do battle and come to terms that's not the important part, the important part is star fighters that transform into gerwalk adjacent walker mechsjk the important part is mystery has to be respected and bold things have to be done bold things like introducing an alternate prequel trilogy to legends, the kind of shit that would rile people up and get them talking and thinking about what-ifs in the star wars galaxy again, rather than canonizing everything and everyone and making them all suck, plant fertile new fields, open loops rather than close them and rehash history over and over
>>739262797isnt it the same dude just with a clunky suit? How did he not get killed before getting to that point? I swear star wars fans are the dumbest cattle
>>739281202Suit Vader is stronger than Mustafar Vader because he's studied the Dark Side.Anakin lost a great deal of his potential ceiling when he got crippled, but he still had room to grow, even as a half robot man.
>>739262797Meanwhile what really happenedhttps://youtu.be/6wsbvoLmZqY
>>739280861>star fighters that transform into gerwalk adjacent walkersay less I'm sold
>>739281456>hard cut for commercialsNot kino.
>Did you have the right, Skywalker? Did you have the right to bring down justice upon a marauding band of murderous slavers who exist free of any judicial system that could hold them to account for their brutal crimes against the innocent moisture farmers of the Dune Sea? Would you do it again?>Yes.
Who the fuck shaves their balls
>>739282638Not Darth Vader
>>739280861Wouldn't taking away FTL just kill the setting?
>>739267634Palps fucking around in 3 is so insanely entertaining.
>>739282537I do like the fact that the Jedi are so high off of their own farts that in-universe they were arrogant, conceited and hypocritical, but it really does get annoying how deeply it seeps into literally everything in the prequels. The Dark Side corrupts and is easy to be lured into, but trying to claim a moral high ground after their involvement in the Clone Wars while very much deciding on a whim to play assassin ambassadors, work the underground and and act as super soldiers for their own explicit interests in the name of "the greater good" isn't really much better. Especially the more you find out about some of the shit they did or turned a blind eye to.
>>739283284
>>739283109nah, the hyperspace lanes have always taken days to navigate, you could just say modern ships take weeks to months to years to travel anywhere, navs are fucked, it definitely makes the story more intimate at first but then opening it back up in later installments would be funthe particulars don't matter, the big idea is to remove the "we know basically every settlement and race and how to get to them" thing from the galaxy
>>739283369>Jedi are so high off of their own farts that in-universe they were arrogant, conceited and hypocriticalUnderstatement.
>>739282537Anything good about this page is completely overshadowed by the fact it involves Krayt and that it's forever tied to fucking Legacy
>>739283935I'm pretty sure that Hett guy got shot by Clone Troopers and died just like every Jedi involved in things I don't like.
>>739275005And ultimately Palpatine is the one who kills Palpatine by deciding to continue to shoot force lightning at woman who has been deflecting lightning back at him for the past 30 seconds. Thus, it was Palpatine who was the chosen one, and a good friend.
>>739284097I suppose that's true from a certain point of view...
>>739284129>becomes All The Sith>kills himselfIt was right in front of us all along, he was the hero we all needed.
>>739265227>>739269165i wasn't impressed by TWC but i thought they did a good job using asohka's persecution as an explanation for anakin's slide towards the dark side
>>739285054It was very evident in Episode III that it played a huge role in Anakin's fall. He was clearly very salty about the treatment of his former Padawan that definitely existed.
>>739266209This is probably why all the games just use mana instead.
>>739266209>looking into the future and seeing where the other guy will swing his lightsaber99.9999999% of jedi cannot just see the future on the fly like that. Especially if there's a darkside user nearby.
>>739286403All Jedi (and Sith) use precognition when they fight, in the same way Anakin used it to fly a podracer as a child. It's not so much glimpsing the future as it is feeling out what is about to happen through the Force.
why are zoomers so infatuated with these shitty ass films?watch the plinkett reviews and acquire some standards, jesus
>>739286523>watch the plinkett reviews
>>739285184as far as retcons go, it was fine.>inb4 no mention of asohkathere's no mention of Qui-Gon Jinn either, that doesn't mean he wasn't on obi-wan's mind
>>739286820Yoda mentions Qui-Gon at the end of the movie tho
>>739286505There's a difference between force sense and actual precognition. All force users can sense the world around them and act on that information, but actually seeing the future is a much bigger deal.
>>739274917>AI leads to the dark side, Anakin. How far have you fallen?!
>Separatist holdouts joined the RebellionReminder that the CIS won.
Dark Jedi girls do it better
>>739288850>the Cuckdalorian does an episode about battle droids>big bad of the episode is Doc Brown, wow!>he's a CIS holdout who begins to monologue about the nature of freedom from far off galactic governments whether they call themselves Republics or Empires>halfway through his monologue, the Femdalorian shoots him with a stun blast and knocks him out haha so funny>everyone moves on, don't want to bore people with politics: here's Jack Black and Lizzo!Disney really is one of the companies of all time.
>>739286523>kobenitranny recommends plinkett Kek.
>>739279285This might surprise you, but most fights, whether in movies, books, plays, or real life, aren't power meters like in anime and pure stat based video games where higher number wins. People have strengths and weaknesses, and those can be exploited. It's kind of like Rock, Paper, Scissors, Gun, Dynamite, Lightning, Fire, Devil, Dragon, Snake, Tree, Sponge, Wolf, Water, etc, etc, etc, except there is also a special rule that says, "There is always a non-insignificant chance that a losing hand will actually win because of any number of reasons that might crop up including something as simple as a bead of sweat sliding down the back of one of the fighters ears causing them to be distracted for 1ms."
>>739289158The Prequels actually put in the work for this down to having had fight chorography tier lists for how complex to make the fights and what forms they use.But despite that it also set up perfectly why Anakin wasn't able to beat Obi-Wan.Obi-Wan uses a defensive fighting style meant to counter raw aggression, which isn't that good against proper duelists like Dooku, but was good against Anakin, on top of him training Anakin himself and knowing all his moves meaning that he was basically the perfect counter.
>>739282537>picbased chosen one
I re-watched RotJ for the first time in a while recently, and I don't really know how to explain it properly but there was something about Luke's entire arc of going>"I won't kill Vader, I can feel the good in him, I know that my father is still deep down in there somewhere and that he can be saved."that felt even more impactful after these last 10-15 years where it feels like it would be impossible to see that same idea expressed in any kind of movie nowadays. I think it's just the genuine sincerity behind it, you know what I mean?
>>739290427Culture has become highly transactional with the objective of removing friction from ones personal life.And so the act of enduring the complexities of another who wishes to do you harm. out of love, stands out.Even more so when the narrative embraces that stance as the correct one and rewards the protagonist for taking it.
>>739285054You should look up the kyber crystal story arc. It was part of the original season 8 before it got cancelled along with the Bad Batch arc, but it was all fully voiced and has story board animation.It includes a scene of Anikan talking to Obi wan about how Asohka got rail roaded and left the order.
>>739288850Why would the rebellion accept separatists.Do people forget the rebellion's first objective is to resort the Republic? Which the Separatists wanted independence from?
>>739288974 At least if you want Star Wars about politics, there's Andor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYnE2MxaycoAlso helps her speech can be applied to current events too.
For me, it's Makashi
>>739290669The Rebellion was a loose coalition of a bunch of different interests that got consolidated as the conflict went on under the "restore the republic ideology" but not all of them started out that way and not all of them were happy to join the new republic after.Andor had a good line about this>Kreeygr's a separatist. Maya Pei's a neo-Republican. The Ghorman front. The Partisan alliance? Sectorists. Human cultists. Galaxy partitionists. They're lost!
>>739271610I think you mean Sha'a Gi
>>739271616That's not true. After the Emperor assumes total control, Vader gets to oversee the Republic's largest construction project ever, the Death Star. It blows up, but not before he destroys Alderan, which makes it about right in his twisted mind and rationalizes the need for another Death Star. Violence rarely builds anything.
>>739271616
>>739273761If you mean Vader lifting the captain of the blockade runner and tossing him like a ragdoll, that was just pure strength. The first uses we see of the force are the mind trick and Vader choking a bitch at a work meeting.
>In some other, more just timeline, OOM-9 actually manages to genocide the Gungans
>>739291215The Death Star was made and remade because Palps was sick of having to take breaks in his evil wizard shit to deal with politics, and wanted a way to dominate and demoralize the galaxy so completely that he could work on becoming immortal without distractions.Vader had nothing to do with it till the ball was already in motion.
>>739261715>I have the dick suc-ack
Is JK Academy online still active?
>>739291332>the gungans have energy shielding>they don't have energy weaponsWas the plan really to just sit under the shields until they fell and then get slaughtered
>Please Anakin. I'll suck your dick
>>739291473Stupid meme show
>>739261843Jedis are op, but to balance them out they are all drama queens
>>739270132>>739279495>In TFA, Finn gets drawn to a chest down in the basement>The wrinkly lady tells him that what lies inside is an ancient relic that can begin to make things right>She opens the box
>>739266429>>739266724lmao
>>739280861Huh that actually is pretty cool, bring back some intrigue to the story. I never thought of the idea of leaving room for another set of prequels.The sequels got the storytelling all wrong, no time between 7 and 8 for instance. There simply are hardly any stories to tell.Hell the Ahsoka show screwed it up too. Before it, I thought "I wonder what Thrawn's got up to in the decade of exile in the strange new galaxy". Nothing, the answer is nothing. This brilliant mastermind sat on his ass for ten years and couldn't even find one guy who was camping a couple miles from his star destroyerI like the hyperspace locked thing, has some good potential for new styles of stories.They need someone with passion again at Lucasfilms, the right kind of passion. KK couldn't care less about Star Wars beyond making money but Filoni is too obsessed with all the wrong things
>>739266429>>739266724I always laugh when he tries to punch Grievious on his metal plate
>>739265227what could have been
>>739280861>lot of exploration, spanish empire vibes with a galactic crusade seeking to unite the galaxy with stabilized hyperspace travel once againBit 40k innit>the important part is mystery has to be respected and bold things have to be doneCan't fault you there thoughIt's why I actually liked The Last Jedi
The only way to beat a bad guy with a lightsaber is a good guy with a lightsaber
>>739292795>bold things have to be donethe guy wasn't bold enough. if he really wanted to subvert expectations rey should've taken kylo's hand at the end. that can be your ESB style bad-end where all hope seems lost. i fully believe that could've salvaged the trilogy right then and there
>>739290427That's too complex for today's audience. Imagine a character having nuanced thoughts instead of the good being good and the bad being bad. What is this, a movie?
>>739262797Vader is literally just nerfed Anakin.
>>739271340How do you shave your balls and ass anyway?
>>739293760Go to any Kotor 1 vs 2 shitflinging thread and you'll see any number of anons arguing 1 is better because it's "more Star Wars" due to it having "objective black and white morality".like the OT.
Who is in your opinion the sexiest Star Wars girl?
>>739261715revenge of the sith was a surprisingly good game
>>739268376Was the humiliation of getting one side of his double-bladed saber getting cut off (while doing the same move he used to kill Qui-gon, i.e. trying to hit his opponent with his "lightsaber grip") part of his "playing around" as well?
>>739283935What's wrong with legacy?
>>739294248KotOR 2 has objective black and white morality. I don't care how much Kreia kvetches, the game still gives you LS point for helping people without expecting a reward, and DS points for stealing candy from toddlers
>>739293760>Imagine a character having nuanced thoughts instead of the good being good and the bad being bad.Did we full-circle back to that again? I haven't been following any IRL /tv/ stuff for the last 10-15 years, but last time I did, good vs evil was considered lame and literally everything was about MUH greyzones and all things being MUH morally ambiguous.
>>739294879I've only recently learned that you can do a LS exile going the DS route or a DS exile going the LS route. I'll have to check that out along with the latest restoration mod next time.
I just don't like Maul anymore, he's too much of a jobber. I can't believe he lost to Ahsoka, fucking Ahsoka, what a fucking loser. He's Grievous tier now
>>739290427I always felt like it was plot convenienceabout 75% of rotj is really bad, only jabba's palace and the final fight with vader are entertaining
watch out, m**ds are on another purge. you faggots ARE discussing vidya, right?
>>739271616unironically probably what lucas was going forhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHyStDZ3_U
>>739270132In the EU shit they made an evil clone named Luuke out of it.No, I am not joking.>this is considered peak star wars EU
>>739296136>they can make an evil clone out of a severed limb but can't make a clone of vader for spare limbs and other body partsIf I was vader I'd start questioning things
>>739296819General consensus is that Vader's deliberately left that way by Palpatine. His mechanical parts inhibit his ability to use the Force to its fullest potential and the fact they're nothing special, just the bare minimum he needs to live and operate, means everything he does is pure skill and anger. Vader is the most dangerous thing in the galaxy next to Sideous literally in spite of his ruined body. This is the Sith way.If it weren't for the glimmer of Anakin Skywalker that remains to bring him down he's basically be Sion from Kotor 2.
>>739296136I will not have Zahn slander on my board
>>739297047>Vader is the most dangerous thing in the galaxy Haha no. Vader is barely a shadow of his former potential.
>>739297475>art can be used in military strategy>anti-force cats>the force is entirely genetic>clones>the big prize is outdated military surplus>my own bodyguard, how could I ever see it coming???
>>739297957utter kino>invents Coruscant>fleshes out the Clone Wars so Lucas can make more movies>foreshadows the Yuuzhan Vong
>>739297915Vader killed the majority of post-Purge Jedi survivors himself. Even Disney keeps that as canon.
>>739281447This is why EU shit is retarded. Vader was much weaker than Anakin after losing 50% of his force jesus body.
>Praising shit that was TCWYeah, we know that you were a dumb teen during 10s and now you feel the effects of nostalgia.
>>739298050Have you read about his adventures? He was constantly fucking everything up and needed help.
>>739298050Doesn't matter. Anakin was a dark side super saiyan when he attacked the jedi temple. He was weaker against obi wan on mustafar because of his internal struggle and doubts. Vader is weaker than anakin any way you slice it.
>>739298079??? I'm talking about Ep 1-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6YVXaeS6lE
>>739298050I wonder how many of them begged to suck his dick and eat his shit if he would spare them
>>739297957You got a mention of "Clone Wars" as soon as the very first damn movie.
>>739298132>>739298079Oh wait I just realized you didn't know Thrawn predates the prequelskeep LARPing zoomie, lmao
>>739298010>invents CoruscantHe didn't. Imperial city planet had already been created for Return of the Jedi by George Lucas and Ralph McQuarrie. It was named Had Abbadon. He just came up with a different name that Lucas had to be persuaded to use.>fleshes out the Clone Wars so Lucas can make more moviesAbsolutely nothing like the Clone Wars that Lucas actually ended up making.>foreshadows the Yuuzhan VongLol.Utter slop.
>>739298132I'm talking overall about the thread.
>>739298089Dark Times Vader fucks up because he's still too driven by raw emotion and accepting his new role as Palpatine's thug but he still slaughters everything he comes across. Even when he blunders into a trap and a whole group of Jedi almost kill him he still gets most of them himself.
Vader is a jobber, he literally only exists to put him in EU media to show how strong the hero is for beating him
>>739296136>>739297475Didn't Zahn do this same thing for the not-Jedi that Thrawn found in the sekrit Palpatine storage room place
>>739261843the film explains it, although briefly. Obi-Wan said that Siths are proud creatures, so when Obi-Wan says he has the high ground, he was teasing Anakin's ego. And Anakin, now turned a Sith, fell for it.This is also the reason why Obi-Wan said "don't try" just after that, it was a trap that he hoped Anakin would notice.
>>739298409No he found the clone already cloned, he was vehemently against cloning more Jedi because they're damn near uncontrollable
>>739298478I was referring mostly to the "original name... but with 1 more letter in it!!" thing since all I can remember is Thrawn going "he's pronouncing it differently and I should know because I read that report" or whatever, but I can't remember his name..
>>739298560Yes that is the naming scheme for clones, the dude is called Joruus and is a clone of Jorus. Shit's retarded
>>739261843Because Anakin is cocky and largely wanted to defeat Obi-Wan is mostly pure lightsaber combat. Also too full of rage and conflicting emotion to think straight that was exacerbated by the fact that Mustafar was influencing both him and Obi-Wan with dark side energies.
Sith lords are our specialtyDoesn’t realise he’s talking to one
>>739274927he was the best part of those flaming trainwreck obi wan and asokha series. I would even say his acting was great.
Why can you just step on the galaxy's most powerful crime lord's tail and he won't say shit about it?
>>739298585Timothy... you're a damn genius...
>they mixed sam witwer's screams into maul's lightsaber sound designdamn that's metal
>>739298689Actually I can't remember if there were any more jedi clones that Zahn wrote outside of those two, so I could cope and say it's just because C'baoth is insane and his Luke clone was his apprentice
When is our hero coming back?
Should I replay Jedi Outcast? Played it as a kid and all I remember is that there were a bunch of guns that all immediately become irrelevant when you get a lightsaber
>>739298838Play the entirety of Dark Forces
>>739298768Never
>>739286567based image
>>739298892Even back in the early 2000s people told me only JO and JA are worth playing
OBI WAN PLEASE. I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK. I'LL EAT SHIT
>>739286523>zoomersMost Star Wars fans are likely older than you
>>739298737On the other hand imagine a Clone Trooper named Jaango or Jangoo.
>be Disney>fucks up Star Wars beyond recognition>baby yeet and fag movie is good as dead on release>somehow keeps Filoni as head of loreI wish I could burn down multi-billion franchise down.
>>739298893>very clearly gets killed by Grievous in 2D series>literally stabbed with a lightsaber>somehow survived off-screen and brought back in the comics>suvives the entire war>survives the dark times>survives the original trilogy>doesn't do anything>randomly shows up 150 years after the movies with his own Jedi school to train Luke's drug addict eyeliner wearing unwashed hair stinky faggot darth vader pants wearing descendantThis is more egregious than anything in the disney era. Ostrander is a hack.
>>739298939DF2 is good and with 1 ya got shit level design.
Sithspit.
>>739299203Your efforts are in vain
How many Cyborg Jedi Hunters has Obi-wan killed?
>>739291432Only in Outcast/Academy.What a wonderful world.
>>739299280Two.
>>739299390That last one was a two-parter so it kinda counts as three.
>>739299071>>baby yeet and fag movie is good as dead on releasethey made a movie out of this shit?
>>739268759Macebros...
>>739298893That isn't Dass Jennir
>>739299458Not even their shills like it and tracking poorly at the box office. Kreia was right, apathy is death.
>>739266429Force users can "shield" themselves from Force attacks to some degree, they can either reduce or block their effect. You can break through their defenses if you're massively stronger in the Force (i.e. a random Padawan trying to resist Sidious would be moot, Sidious would just ragdoll them) or if you catch your opponent off-guard.
>>739301123Holy fuck this movie comes out tomorrow? There was absolutely zero hype to it. Theres absolutely nothing to be felt about a franchise that used to be eternally discussed BEFORE the actual 2 hour movie released.
>>739288850God i love me some seppies.I wish they were explored deeper instead of being a comical evil that was designed to be discarded.They were right in calling out the Republic's shit.Imagine if Palps somehow got assassinated during the CW.
>>739273975okay now this is fucking great
>>739274532Shattered Glass is a good movie
>>739302517Where is there to go with them besides a 50/50 split of people who had legitimate grievance with the Republic and power hungry leaders who wanted to be top dog?
>>739292227kekUnironically, it would be a sick sith relic, full of negative emotions.
>>739273975KINOOOOOOO
>>739303236>50/50 split of people who had legitimate grievance with the Republic and power hungry leaders who wanted to be top dogSounds like every single chinese civil war they've ever had.
>>739303282>it would be a sick sith relic
>>739283935Better Legacy then fucking Disneyslop.
>>739261715Best endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EtCGR2M_oU
>>739290427It works because the originals used classic tropes, played them straight and well. Luke's redemption of Vader combines The Hero's Journey, christian redemption ethos and paternal love all in a neat package. Luke had grown from being a whiny kid in Tatooine and sometimes outright hateful of Vader at times for his wrongdoings into taking the high ground and accepting that a person can correct their wrongdoings no matter how far off they are. He's mature as a person and as a jedi.This is contrasted by the Emperor being the absolute evil, pitting father and son against each other for his own personal gain. And yet when offered power and revenge, Luke doesn't accept it, which reminds Vader of what he once stood for, and acts to save his son.And of course it ends with Vader turning back into Anakin Skywalker, so we finally see the man and not the black knight as his force ghost.Of course, a modern writer (hell it was considered bad writing by critics back when George wrote it) would roll their eyes so much it would roll back to where it started. The Hero's Journey is too cliche, traditional family and christian values are disliked by most people on Hollywood.I think ROTJ is the worst one of the originals (not bad per se) but that's the part of it that I like the most.
>>739290427because in the end especially after the Prequels, for all his secret machinations and plots and schemes that have gone off with barely a hitch, for all his near-omnipotent foresight and vision, the one thing that destroys the emperor, the one thing he has no forewarning or knowledge of, was a father's love for his own son, the tiny spark of Anakin which was kindled back to life by Luke's unwavering belief he can be a good man still
>>739270562>fell down a chute on a place that's hovering a gas giant, irrecoverable as wellDidn't stop that orange alien from finding Anakin's lightsaber in the Disney films.
