oof
so fucking soulless
People try defend this with a>well that's what modern well-designed power plant interiors would look likebut that's not the sort of company Shinra isIt's soulless and it's objectively worse
>>739265992>but that's not the sort of company Shinra isSo shinra isnt the defintion of the overly clean and sterile company?
>>739266404No, I wouldn't say so. Look at their reactor and vehicle design. It's not sleek at all. It's quite busy.What criticism of 7R would you consider valid?
>>739266593>Look at their reactor and vehicle design. It's not sleek at all. It's quite busyJudging by how the shinra building is, im not suprised. Shinra loves the sterile look.
>>739266691In Remake it does, not so much the OG.By the way, you forgot to answer the question. I'm curious, because if you don't accept people liking the OG elevator more than the Remake elevator, I'm wondering what criticism you would accept.
>>739266846>In Remake it does, not so much the OG.Yeah, thats why we are talking about remake. It's a different context.
>>739266691I'm sure the ExxonMobil HQ offices are quite nice and sterile but that has nothing to do with their oil rig platforms in the middle of the sea doing the real work.
>>739267102Shinra is more like blackrock nowadays
>>739267072Anon... you seem to be having some trouble. I can only conclude that there is in fact no criticism that you will accept of remake. You can deny this if you want, but your dodging of the question tells me the truth. If you think of any, let me know.
>>739267148Now show us a blackrock industrial elevator in a fantasy setting designed in the 90s
>>739267253>in the 90swhat does the 90s have to do with anything
I see we're resorting to "the bottom is better because it's more realistic" even though we're talking about a fucking final fantasy game.Let's go with that logic and say remake is bad for all the unrealistic things in it, shall we? I wonder how quickly this guy will change his tune.
>>739267308Why do you think Final Fantasy VII should be more realistic? You must hate Cloud's big sword
>>739267330Perfectly clean elevator in a industrial hellhole isn't realistic either. They don't have any valid argument.
>>739265639Why did they work so hard on removing every ounce of sovl in the demakes?
>>739267457made by hacks who have no idea what they're doing
>>739267427If you criticize remake you have to be wrong, it's as simple as that. Even if the defence makes no sense and is easily rebuked or dishonest. You cannot get away with liking anything about OG more than remake, he won't let you.
>>739266404not at all. They don't care at all about safety or the comfort of their employees. What possible reason would they have to waste time and money making their plebian work places safe or clean? The only places that should be clean and nice looking are the places where top level executives work. The low level shit like factories should be dingy disgusting unsafe oily pipe nightmares and the head offices should be nice clean offices, which is how it is in ff7.
>>739267478Sterile shinra design...
>>739267308>>739267253Oh wait i see what you meant, you say the 90s because that was the OG. Well, this is remake, and it is being made in a modern era, where the themes and concepts have changed over time. Back in the 90s the cyberpunk genre was dirtier, see ghost in the shell or shadowrun. It was more about disparity and removal of the individual. Nowadays we are closer to the cyberpunk reality than ever before and the control is applied differently, so they decided to set the "new" shinra closer to reality. Making it just like the 90s version of shinra like >>739267572 said would make them look incompetent as fuck. So they controlled the world by making shit tier designs of the reactors and facilities. How does that make any sense?
>>739267684I see. So the criticism of the elevator isn't valid. Can you give us any examples of 7R criticism you're find acceptable? Or is it all wrong by default?
>>739267684What is a valid criticism of 7R?
>>739267684>so they decided to set the "new" shinra closer to reality.Heavy industrial work places are not sterile and clean though so no it isn't closer to reality.
>>739267684>they decided to set the "new" shinra closer to realityYou play final fantasy games for realism? You think that's an improvement? Kinda boring bro.
What Is The BA7RY Test?Firstly, who is Barry? Barry is a XV fan who combs 4chan for posts criticizing XV to reply to. In his mind, every criticism of XV is wrong, no matter how big, small, reasonable or unreasonable. It's all wrong, and he will set you straight on that matter.Unfortunately, FFVIIR has its own Barry, named BA7RY, who acts in the same way. He's hard to miss. Do you suspect he's ITT? Then apply the BA7RY test. It's simple!Just ask him: "What would be a valid criticism of VIIR?"Barry would never criticize XV, even slightly. And BA7RY will never criticize VIIR either. This simple test lets you know if you're talking to a reasonable person who is capable of discussion, or a wall of fanboy autism who will never give an inch and is only here to tell you that you're wrong wrong wrong!If your anon replies reasonably, he passes the BA7RY test. If he immediately chimps out and starts screaming about boogymen, BINGO! That's a BA7RY! After all, Barry's favourite tactic was to call everyone Nathan. Because only one person ever called out Barry, right?Try it yourself!
>>739267950Oh, uh, the people in the slums favour a more minimalist look... just like todays slum dwellers. I play FF for realism so this was a big glowup for me.
Rebirth did it a little better and Remake was an absolute joke. Imagine starting the trilogy with such a slop
>>739265639Why the realism? They already have a likeable black person, that's highly unrealistic.
>>739267950Look how much time they put into the render on the right and the player sees it for all of 5 seconds. SOUL
>>739267908Blackrock seems pretty close to reality. The facilities you mention are more like 3rd world indonesian type of shit, not 1st world industry like shinra would be. After all, they dominated the world.>>739267992It's not about realism, its about the setting being more adequate with modern times. The boys, for example, has it's own setting which is basically hate for the "superhero" character. However, the showrunner decided to take the concept of the comics and instead of making it 1:1 for the show, they decided to revamp the script and set it as a parody of the marvel movement and modern politics like female empowerement, alt-right, and LGBT pandering. The boys ended up being pretty shit, specially the ending apparently, but the core idea was great for the first two seasons. Same goes with Black mirror as a modern "remake" of the twilight zone.
>>739267308It was the decade before the world ended, it’s pretty significant.
>>739268204I see. And a criticism of 7R you would consider valid...? Just one...?
>>739268302Ba7ry would rather die than answer that
>>739265639I don't get why the internal workings of a reactor are so clean looking given it was inspired by a cyberpunk hellscape
>>739267994this explains a lot
>>739268301Culturally? Yeah, definitely. Im a 93' kid and those early 00s were awesome compared to these days. Social media genuinely ruined everything.
>>739265639>TopBuilt for function like a real industrial complex. This what oil refineries and such look like. They're built specifically with no decal so the items can be easily repaired>BottomBuilt for executives. It has to look nice because the guy with the suit might see it. Doesn't make sense in the context of the game.
>>739268365Because thats what an elevator would look like in a current day blackrock skyscraper, possibly. And thats what we want a reactor elevator in an ff7 game to look like because its more realistic.
>>739268434That is EXTREMELY retarded
>>739268432This
>>739268365I think its because Shinra doesnt want the reactors to explode for free and for that they need workers to actually get to places
>>739266404If you're willing to look past the surface. Shinra presents as clean and sterile in areas like their HQ, but when you get to their inner workings it's all industrial. Stuff like the Shinra Mansion basement, the reactors, the Jenova stuff in R&D. It's built for function, not for the public to be seeing.
>>739268489>Shinra doesnt want the reactors to explode for freeactually in the new and improved canon, they do
>>739265639I didn't even realize this was about the elevator itself, I thought it was about the posing
>>739268434The elevator is not in a skyscraper.
>>739268432>Built for function like a real industrial complex.have you been in a real industral complex>It's built for function, not for the public to be seeing.True, shinra goes for profit, no needlesly details. The bottom elevator reflects that. White walls, just a single light.
>>739267684>being made in a modern era>does a big huge belly flopchecks out
>>739268489Have you ever seen the inside of a refinery or a factory? It's not clean and sterile.
>>739268563What would be a valid criticism of 7r
>>739268434>blackrock skyscraperIs this an oil refinery?
>>739268575I work as an engineer in mining, so yes. They are small and focused in functionality, no tubes everywhere .
>>739268563>True, shinra goes for profit, no needlesly details. The bottom elevator reflects that.Actually it does the opposite. Bottom is to look clean, professional, sleek. Top is when they don't give a damn. You are contradicting your own argument just because you cannot let anyone like even one tiny thing about og more than in remake.
>>739268563>have you been in a real industral complexI was literally a North Sea engineer for years taking "mako" (oil) out of the ground>no needlesly detailsThe cladding over the inner workings of the elevator IS a needless detail anon. If you go in to any factory or refinery in the world, you're not getting an elevator that looks close to that. Know why? Because people need to get from A to B whole carrying and moving shit, and that stuff is so easily damaged it's unreal. Just because head office looks nice, doesn't mean the factories look nice
>>739265639Soulless remake for a soulless world.
>>739268631What do you think is behind all the cladding anon?
>>739267684this guy thinks Shinra cares about OSHA violations
>>739265639Why would an elevator be full of wires, tubes, bizarre devices and poorly lit? That makes no sense. I toured a nuclear reactor once and the elevators were immaculate and white. So was everything else in the facility.
>>739268773he doesn't think anything other than telling anyone with a criticism of remake that they're wrong. he'll make up anything to "prove" it, he doesn't care beyond that. it's basically a bot.
>>739268774My assumption is that the tubes are whatever is pumping fuel in to the motor 2bh but it's hard to tell
>>739268773They should, if you want me to believe Shinra took over the world with such efficiency.
>>739267994I wouldn't have believed it but this simple question has been put to the same guy several times and he seems very keen to dodge it.
Ever since I first played FF7 I wanted a remake that was more grounded in reality.
>>739268774>I toured the most expensive and heavily regulated power plant that ever existed and it didn't look like it was a budget facility!Everyone in this thread is a fucking retard, even the ones who got it right.
Time ghosts hate tubes
>>739267994It's been over 10 years and XV kun is still at it
>>739268774Pretty much the entire point and theme of the entire game is that Shina is short sighted and greedy and willing to do dangerous and evil things in a short-sighted lust for profit. The shitty condition of the factories is an intuitive visual indicator of this. They run wires and random shit in the elevator because it was the easy shortcut in design that took the least effort and thought. The lighting is bad because they don't give a shit about how unpleasant it is to work there and they get to spend 1 gil less on lightbulbs that way. Everything in Shinra industrial locations in the original game is the bare minimum to be functional so they can extract that valuable planet blood with zero consideration for aesthetics or even long-term maintenance.
>>739268847They have electricity in the original.
>>739269031>>I toured the most expensive and heavily regulated power plant that ever existed and it didn't look like it was a budget facility!Nuclear plants is the closest to Mako reactors
>>739269040It's uncanny how similar BA7RY is
>>739269071The elevator might be older.
>>739265639the remakes are just one big shitty movie, anyone who buys this trash deserves what they get
Final Fantasy VII has slow and steadily lost its original aesthetic, it's not inherently Remakes fault.Good example
>>739269104>big fucking retard completely glossed over "heavily regulated" and thinks it would be 1:1 with the game
>>739269206Oh its a black hawk, thanks Advent Children & Crisis Core
>>739269206You are ruining my lie about shinra being overly clean and sterile
>>739269206100%. I just think that 90s funky feel is very hard to replicate. Weird how every cartoon had it and now nothing does.
>>739267072Dumb jeet, answer the question.
>>739269232Anon, if you want to sell me the idea that Shinra conquered the world with Mako, then Shinra HAS to follow certain safety standards to please the people.>>739269206That looks like "what the 60's thought the future would look like" kinda videos, but for 90's version of cyberpunk.
>>739269435>Shinra HAS to follow certain safety standards???
A real freight elevator gets beat to shit and the older they are the scarier they get. The og elevator looks like its been there a hundred years it was probably built with the reactor.
>>739269435>to please the peopleThey squished half the planet by dropping a plate, why the fuck would they need to please anyone?
>>739269473>The og elevator looks like its been there a hundred years it was probably built with the reactor.The first reactor was built in nibelheim.
>>739269435Shinra is a company that went to a mining town and made a deal with them and then didn't feel like paying them so they murdered every man, woman, and child in the entire town. In fact they slaughtered multiple towns for trivial reasons. They don't give a fuck about the support of the people.
>>739267427The building was a stark contrast to every where else in midgar im unsure what youre talking about. It was supposed to be clean, pristine and futuristic vs the shitty rest of it
>>739269435Is not one of the common tropes about distopÃan corporate futures that corporations dont give a fuck about regulations
>>739269354Doug, Rockos modern life, rugrats, Captain Star, Duckman.
>>739269484Because the president wins with money and giving people what they want, unlike Rufus who just does what it wants and rules with fear. The president didnt drop the plate and induced fear on the population. He "pleased" the people by saying avalanche dropped the plate.
>>739269484>>739269513He will say anything to invalidate any criticism of remake, no matter how retarded.For more info see >>739267994
I want a sequel to the original FF7 so bad bros.
>>739269526Yeah, back then in the 90s. Nowadays we are closer to that cyberpunk future that the old ideas of cyberpunk seem childish. Now it is all about misinformation and falseflags.
>>739267950Most of the objects in the render look 3D to me as well, so someone must have modeled several unique object to use in that one scene.So there’s really no excuse.It’s not a comparison between a 2D game and a 3D game, where 2D is easy to draw, these are two 3D games, but back in the day people were able to produce a ton of unique 3D assets for each environment, and today nobody can do anything like that anymore.It really is a mystery.Either people had some secret back then, like using cocaine to produce three times as much, or people nowadays have forgotten how to work.
>>739269597I'm nooticing
>>739269514Dirty reactor is not clean or safe.
>>739269643I see, so the old elevator was too childish. Can you give us an example of a valid criticism of 7R?
Well at least this thread made a lot more people aware of ba7ry
>>739269664Somebody enjoyed making it is the answer, they got lost in imagining what a little seedy weapons dealer might look like. There's 3 similar chairs in the scene but if you look they aren't actually identical and have different wear marks. Today they would just copy and paste the same chair.....but not 1997 square. SOUL.
>>739269643>>739269668What I love is that most people would agree, but it doesn't move the ball forward as we all disagree who is doing it and by how much. Everyone is brainwashed but me. Though Im a epistemological empirical neoliberal so when I say everyone is brainwashed but me its actually true.
>>739269964I see. But what would be one valid criticism of 7R?
>>739269664>>739269926WTF, that is crazy. Must be hell living in your head and noticing that stuff. You are 100% correct. I could always feel the soul but never explian why.
>>739270053Post the wallmarket theme comparison while you are at it
>>739270053This is to reflect modern gym design. The old gym was childish. Modern gyms look like they were thrown together lazily by indians in an outsourcing team and SE nailed that look.
>>739269643>having a defined steam/magipunk aesthetic is childish>maturity is having generic clean corporate assets that a dozen other games use
>>739270185kek
>Nobody liked the time jannies not even the cultists>Nah brah you see they are gone, arbiters of fate died>*Reappears in Rebirth*>*Cricket noises.*
>>739270096My biggest compliant is how much they nerfed Tifa's personality. Doing the cave over again was not fun, Presidents death wasn't well done, slum had zero soul, motorcycle man was pure cringe, forced song about how gender is just a spectrum is a perfect example of what was wrong with 2020 gaming.What I dont get is my first playthrough I gave it a soft nostalgia carried 7/10, most of my friends disliked it. My last run I enjoyed it emensley, even with the DLC having one of the worst antagonists in video game history.I always wonder if they patched it better or if I changed? Breaking into Shinra for that final was just pure unadulterated kino.
>>739270295>cumrags.pngKek. I mean they were awful in the remake. 90% of the issue was how repetitive and unfun they were. As actual plot point I like after 20 replays over 3 decades not knowing how this will end. I know a lot of Anons will disagree with me but them not being painfully obnoxious to fight made them much more tolerable in rebirth.
>>739270429>most of my friends disliked itSame. None of them bothered with Rebirth. I didn't either.
>>739270635Same, but I think you guys are missing out. Again, no chocobo betting which is absolute bullshit, Cids a southern cuck, ubislop towers, slow start (fucking crael scene), worste Shinra mansion ever (low point of the game), mini games feel forced by the end, and it gets a bit repetitive at the end, and a awful piss in your face ending boss fight (I heard they patched it). Still, 10/10 game. Best thing Ive played since Elden Ring discounting E33.
>>739265639you can't outsource soul, or proper art. the 10,000 jeets that made all the meshes that weren't the main characters, or set pieces, are specifically hired to make generic assets that can fit in any game. it's why the characters look wildly out of place around all the npcs.
>>739265639Everyone is focused on the cleaness but the bigger failure of design is more subtle.In the original, cloud stands back in the corner. He doesn't care about this mission and wants to be physically apart. Barret has an ego over the job and cares about physically dominating spaces (seen also in the subway) so he's in the middle ranting. In the bottom, he's in the middle because he's the famous main character of the video game in real life so that means he's important and goes in the middle.
>>739265639Bottom makes more sense
>>739271546Every cutscene in viir has about 20 cuts in it and the camera is in constant motion. There isn't a single well considered, well framed shot.
>>739271661>final fantasy
If they remake FFX I hope they replace blitzball with football. Blitzball just doesn't make sense and is totally unrealistic.
>>739265639I miss Aerith.
>>739271925Why?
>>739269619Whats this from?
>>739265992>PeopleIt's one guy. And it's very obvious.
the mental gymnastics of people who like the shitty demake always makes me laugh
>>739271991Because she's perfect and the love of my life
>>739272195So why are you posting her with Cloud then? Are you some kind of cuck?
>>739267684kys
>>739272273Cloud is (Me).
>>739267457thats the opposite really.looks like some generic assets pasted in with default lighting applied. its just lazy.
>>739268774this is not a clean nucular reactor this is closer to a mix between a coal mine and a coal plant or some oil refinery straight up digging into ground.
>>739269104absolutely not.
>>739272414No, you're a cuckold.
>>739273131No, then I'd be Zack
>>739272145I hate anti soul fog
>>739273173Zack deflowered her and enjoyed her in her prime, Cloud picked up the scraps like the little loser he is and (((you))) are the one sitting in the cuck chair with his dick caged
>>739273289No, Aerith liked Zack platonically, then she fell for (Me) and rejected Zack. Zack accepted it like a good friend, being a cuck doesn't make him a bad person.
>>739273420>No, (headcanon)Just stop
>>739267102one thing i liked about the original is how its just dieselpunk industrial shit grafted onto stuff that might otherwise be middle ages/renaissance architecture and surfaces. at least outside of midgar
>>739273607Did you not play the game? Marlene tells Zack Aerith loves (Me) and he wants to help us reunite. You should respect his feelings.
>>739273682it's like they distilled remake down to the scientific opposite of that, and it's brutal.
>>739269643the closest cyberpunk piece of media was stand alone complex imo (minus the cyborgs)
>>739269619Remake is the sequel.
>>739272145>>739267950everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you genuinely have to be stupid to prefer the remakes
>>739274147I have not heard anyone ever say they prefer the remakes. Its if the remakes are fun games or did the fact they deviated ever so slightly cause you to shit your pants and plan to murder square enix.
>>739265639mfs will look at this and still tell you soul vs soulless isn't a real thingbloody tossers
they even made gold saucer generic as fuckeverything is just I-pod sleek
>>739265639I haven't played the remakes but this better not be deceptive bullshit, these are the same elevators right?There was the one you take from the tunnels up to Shinra, which the top one is, then there are the ones that are in the Shinra building that looked slicker.
>>739276071Pic to show the shinra elevator.
>>739272145>atmospheric scattering inside one train cab
>>739268774That's the area under the reactor not the reactor itself.
>>739265639>NOOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN ELEVATORINO NOOOOO
>>739268774Because it looks COOL. Can't things just look cool sometimes? Looking cool is more fun than making sense.
>>739266404>the overly clean and sterile companyit's more like an 1800s monopoly
>>739265992I'll defend it by saying that if bottom released in 1997, your head would explode, and if top released for the first time today, you'd say it looks like shit.
>>739276203problem?
>>739276407soul vs soulless
>>739266593>>739266846The air combat was frustrating. That is an absolutely valid criticism of 7R that they rectified and made enjoyable in Rebirth. What criticisms do you have that does not result down to simple nit-picking or is simply a lack of skill/subjective criticism? What is actually BUSTED about Remake and Rebirth?
>>739274147When the original came out I preferred the original. It did what it was meant to do and it was entertaining, enjoyable, and worth playing again and again.Remake and Rebirth are the same thing. It did what it was meant to do, was entertaining, enjoyable and worth playing again and again. I'm just not a stunted manchild crying about how the Remake needed to just be a remaster because I never actually played the original game and want to be part of the kool kids klub.
>>739267860Literally nothing. It's a perfect game.
>>739276071was jessie around for those elevators, anon???
>>739265639I posted something like this right after the first demo came out and the screeching from braindead fanboys was deafening. It's not just that elevator, either. The whole reactor looked like it was slapped together with generic warehouse assets from the Unity Store. It was bad enough I completely lost all interest in the game.
>>739275972>called gold saucer>is silver
Remember when they did a tech demo where the camera has to pull out and back in showing all of Midgar running on the PS3?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y43tl9drD3QNow when we got the remake we were kinda expecting to see how massive Midgar is on the PS4, only to be represented by a static skybox image.
>>739279436
>>739279436>AIIIIIEEEEEEEE MY NARRATIVE!!
>>739279436>it's a silver complex by a mountain instead of a golden saucer tower in the desertSo glad I didn't buy the remakes
>>739269505I love it when an autist interjects with a completely irrelevant detail.
>>739267478>>739267102>>739265639>>739271472Because mako energy is essentially the souls of the deceased who have yet to be reincarnated, it's fitting that the wells and machinery used to harvest it and process it into energy is a mix of distorted torture devices and industrial piping and clockwork gears and chains and cogs hissing and squealing.
>>739279914imagine how ugly part 3 is gonna be now that UE5 is a thing lmao
>>739280131>the lights are gold though seelame
>>739267478Pre-rendered, low framerate backgrounds in pc and ps1 games always instilled a level of craftsmanship that made me look up to adults who knew all this shit and managed to make every environment a place you'd want to look around or simply sit in. And most of the time it wasn't a standard factory or a standard amusement park or a standard forest. Instead they made shit that was unique. Like old cartoonish PC games like Day of the Tentacle had a place that bent at odd angles, had very hard perspectives to get right and instilled a sense that you could make a premise out of the place itself. The low framerate might be a thing that is kind of shit but it somewhat gave weight to 2-D art. It made it weighty. I know that's similar to the Bloodborne meme but you know what I meansince this gif displays that. It kind of also shows that the devs had a tight focus on what they could do and what they wanted to do and had to stretch to make those two things happen.
>>739279048Not in the original Jessie and the other Avalanche guys only go up to the entry to Shinra but I remember seeing that the remake rewrites things and adds more content to characters so I don't know if that changes or not.
>>739265639Need to do comparisons with Rebirth.
>people actually defending this cash-grab trilogyworst timeline
>>739282053>He'd rather have another parry/roll/light campfire slop dipshit worse version of Ninja Gaiden game disguised as an RPG because you can put a number into a menuoh no no no no no
>>739276407you cherry picked and left still looks better
Honestly it feels like a 20 dollar experience, I won't say my time with it was horrible but my memory of it originally was far superior.
>>739283884what the fuck are you babbling about?
>>739280857BUT I HAD BREAKFAST TODAY
>>739265639It's a sequel.
>>739273682>dieselpunk industrial shit grafted onto stuff that might otherwise be middle ages/renaissance architectureYou're describing Kalm, and that's exactly what Kalm looks like.
Stylized color direction isn't really possible if your goal is realism. there's trade-offs. If top was lit like bottom it would look like they were standing in a nightclub not an elevator.
>>739266404In the original the point was that Mako reactors were new, and they accelerated technology development by leaps and bounds within just a couple generations. The reason why the reactors and everything else look so haphazard is because the technology was growing so fast they had to retrofit things together. It's a metaphor for both a cancerous growth on the world, and also a historical reference to Japan's rapid technological growth from a feudal medieval country to a world power in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>>739286906I like that they actually put some effort into Rebirth, unlike Remake. Still bomber because Remake sucked though.
>>739267478love how even their more advanced looking installations are a rats nest of piping, like a giant engine bay
>>739269259I'm still mad about this one in particular. It's so pointless, it adds nothing.
>>739287868This area looks very cool in the remake
>>739287063Chasing realism for the sake of realism is exactly the problem
>>739288071The original>building designed so pipes look like veins>all heading towards a central location>hinting the reactors are alive and feeding somethingRemake>all pipes just go up>looks generic
>>739265639None of you have the mental capability to understand why this does not matter But here's a hint: a game is not a fucking screenshot
>>739272145Besides how X-2 was, the top picture is exactly the location, that convinced me in 2003 to permanently oppose a remake.
>>739288728Complete and utter nostalgia fagging head canon.
>>739265639>7soul
>>739276847>If (new thing) released back then, it would look impressiveNo shit.
>>739265639The elevator scene was so memorable for me in the original game.They really fucked that up.
>>739289398it's just representative of how out of touch squeenix istop is fantastic, because, you know, it's a fantasy gamebottom is anything but that
>>739276847>every single new videogame is better than every single old videogame, because if todays games came out 30 years ago they would be mindblowingThe retard logic deployed in these threads to invalidate any criticism of remake is truly astonishing
