>>739289932
Nah fuck you.
You don't get to weasel out of the shitshow you started, Gabe.

>>739290492
why do people keeps saying that Valve invented loot boxes when it was the koreans who did?

>>739289932
Valve is right it's no different than a baseball card pack which has been legal in NY for a hundred years.

I will defened /v/alve no matter what they own all my games and gabe deserves a new yacht

>>739290572
Because Valve popularized it in the Western gaming hemisphere with lootboxes for TF2. CS:GO/2 lootboxes are a result of the experiments with cancer that Valve began with TF2.

I think they're fine mostly because I can play the game without buying cases

>>739291014
I see a bunch of great free games with optional cosmetics. Hardly cancer.

>>739290715
I would agree with you but gambling is more of a problem now than it was back then. Whenever money is tight some people bet on gambling to get money.

>>739291050
What you do on dodgy Russian sites is your business.

>>739289932
Is it a hot take that I never gave a fuck about loot boxes and that think they're way different from the plague of gacha everyone screams at Value for 'starting'?

>>739291072
yes because it isn't different. you're gambling either way and with legitimate money. there are sites where ppl just gamble on crates they don't even wanna play the game.

Gambling is just as shit as alcohol, smoking and drugs.
Steam should be a storefront for video games.
Shit like this (plus cards and badges among a bunch of other things) takes away from its intended purpose.

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>>739291131
You can ignore loot boxes though and they're not the center focus of the game? I don't see the connection really.

>>739291131
>>739291160
There is no gambling on Steam.

>>739291070
It can stay on the Russian sites, I don't want it advertised.

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>>739289932
LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>739291190
It's not advertised on Steam.

>>739291227
It is as soon as you open the game.

>>739291249
No it isn't.

>>739291296
Still no gambling on steam sorry.

>>739289932
idk how they have an argument people trade them of their own accord. idk how you can blame valve that people spent thousands of dollars on pixelgrafix

>>739291356
>How can you blame a casino? People just spend their life savings on the slot machines there. You don't have to do that.

>>739291527
Valve doesn't run a casino.

>>739291579
If things won from crates aren't gambling, then why do you have to spend real money to open them?

>>739291618
That's how much the cosmetic costs.

>>739291014
>CS:GO/2 lootboxes are a result of the experiments with cancer that Valve began with TF2.
That anon is right tho.
Remember Counter-Strike: Online?

>>739291661
And why can't you purchase the cosmetic you want directly?

>>739291050
Sounds more like a player problem than a game problem.

>>739289932
Just don't buy them lol

>>739291014
actually, it was sports games

anything random that you have to spend money or time for should be illegal. doesn't matter if it's digital or physical.

>>739291690
Same reason you buy a baseball card pack: fun

>>739291764
I don't find being unable to buy the cosmetic I want directly fun.

>>739291831
Then the product is not for you.

>>739291690
you can, you can buy it directly from the steam marketplace or from any third party skin sites

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>>739289932
>people enjoy surprised
The give people those surprises and lootboxes WITHOUT asking for money? You know, for free?
Oh, now it's suddenly not about the players' preferences now is it?

>>739291193
Except BF2 boxes were pay2win as they influenced gameplay whereas noone gives a shit about your purple skin + sticker AK

stop giving your kids access to your credit card
if you don't like cosmetics then don't buy them
if you're spending on your own earned money on pixels then that is your business to piss away your money in whatever fashion you like
its that shrimple

>/v/ is now defending Valve lootboxes & Chink gachas
Every year /v/ gets browner and dumber.

>>739289932
Are they wrong, though? I for one hate these kinds of "surprises" and the "surprise mechanics" in gacha games for example, but these things are still widely popular despite my own strong dislike of them.

>>739291907
>no argument

>>739291193
>EA thing >:(
>>739289932
>EA thing, Valve :D

>>739291851
and get scammed lol

>>739289932
I don't know much about counter strike 2 except that I avoid every person with lots of hours in it due to high likelihood of it being a criminal scum after my stuff

>>739291862
>Then give people those surprises and lootboxes WITHOUT asking for money? You know, for free?
The games are free.

>>739291862
we do get free shit for playing the games actually
you would know if you played any

>>739291690
Valve does sell some cosmetics directly. At least when I played TF2 the in game store had specific hats for sale.

>>739291907
Please understand, they weren't even alive when TF2 released almost twenty years ago.
Why they defend Valve for the goodwill cultivated in an era they never knew, is a real mystery.

I still remember Gabe getting mad when /v/irgins visited Valve eons ago, offered him a real crate, and forcing him to pay the two fiddy to open it.

>>739291050
People being morons is not Valve's fault lmao

I would be 100% against Valve if it was not cosmetics only

>>739292061
CSGO and CS2 aren't, you had to pay for the former and prime for the latter
>>739292131
streamers can afford it, laymen cant

>>739292131
Valve is at fault for giving people the opportunity to be morons.

>>739292215
https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike_2/

It's free.

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>>739292061
>>739292086
>The games are free.
>we do get free shit
I am talking about the lootboxes (CS2 cases) in question specifically.
Are all the lootboxes, including any items that would be required to open a lootbox free without exception? No. You have to spend money for them.
Do you get some of them for free? Maybe. I haven't played CS2 or CSGO extensively, only TF2 and other valve games.
I can however distinctively say that the lootboxes and their keys in TF2 are not free in any way. You have to spend money for the keys one way or the other.
Possible arguments that you could trade 0.10€ stuff for a key is a moot point as the general way of getting keys is to spend money through the in-game shop. I would be extremely surprised if this is different in CS2.

If valve actually and only cared about player enjoyment, they wouldn't have keys and any box you get through playing could be opened without them. Without any money.
However, this isn't the case. Why is that I wonder?

>>739292219
Nah I like free games.

>>739292282
you have to pay $15 to unlock competitive/prime/premeir

>>739292338
You can craft hats in TF2 for free.
>If valve actually and only cared about player enjoyment, they wouldn't have keys and any box you get through playing could be opened without them. Without any money.
However, this isn't the case. Why is that I wonder?
Because the game is free to play.

>>739289932
It's okay when valve does it

>>739291907
There's only 1 guy trolling, and you fell for it. Good job.

>>739292386
optional.

>>739292402
>Because the game is free to play.
Semantics, also this does not address the question I posed.
If they argue that the lootboxes are for player enjoyment (and not making money) then why ask for money?

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>>739289932
I like valve, but I hope the courts will rape them hard in the ass over what is obviously gambling.
Sue trading card games as well like pokemon.

>>739292219
People are already morons + thats not how the world works, Valve is not going to stop offering a service millions of people use and enjoy responsibly just because there are subhuman retards that gamble all their money chasing highs. Stop failing the IQ check and dont gamble if its a problem.

>>739292338
because its purely cosmetics?
what kind of question is that?
should all "paid dlc" cosmetics be obtainable in-game for free or other means?
in the ideal world absolutely yes (just like old games and unlocks)
but we are talking about easiest money here

>>739289932
> "B-but fat man with a yyatch said it's fine!"
Daily reminder that when Gabe dies, Steam will be sold to the highest bidder. His son, Gray, is not allowed near computers (make of that what you will lol) and has more interest in dumb race cars anyway.

>>739292469
>Semantics,
No it isn't. You get the game for free, the cosmetic economy is the games only income and you are free to ignore it.
>If they argue that the lootboxes are for player enjoyment (and not making money) then why ask for money?
To fund the game. Those two things are not exclusive by the way, the player can enjoy opening a lootbox and it can also cost money.

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I think loot boxes are good and fun

>>739292485
>Valve is not going to stop offering a service millions of people use and enjoy responsibly just because there are subhuman retards that gamble all their money chasing highs.
You're right. That's what the law is for. That's why NY is suing Valve.
We used to have safeguards against gambling because it was so dangerous and addictive, and potentially life-ruining. Now gambling has completely gotten away from regulation and it's no longer an 18+ activity. It needs the axe.

>>739292569
And how much does Valve pay you?

>>739292570
It's not gambling though as trading cards have proven for a century.

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>>739289932
it's true
having things revealed at the start is frankly no fun at all

>>739292570
you pay to open crate you get the thing
you lost nothing
thats not gambling

>>739292497
So you agree that valve are jews who don't care about player enjoyment, but easy money through making people gamble

>>739292664
gambling is betting money to win money and valve doesn't do that.

>>739292664
with that logic everyone who makes a living by making money is a jew

>>739292570
If you want the skin so much, you can buy it on the market. You dont need to gamble to obtain it.
>l-l-law save me !!! I cant control myself and I have to GAMBLEEEEEE
Cattle and low control mentality, disgusting kek.

>buncha jew companies are jewing out their customer bases
>should we go after the most awful and despicable jews first?
>nah let's start with the lesser harmless jews
it's fine as long as they keep climbing up, but we all know they're not

>>739291160
shut up fag go back to church lmao

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>so, why couldn't you simply not buy the loot boxes?

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>>739292497
>because its purely cosmetics?
I genuinely despise this idea given by many players that
>IT'S JUST COSMETICS
Need I remind everyone that skins and cosmetics have been a legitimate endgame goal for many players in multiplayer games for decades, such as MMOs and games like Monster Hunter for example. Getting gear that not only looks cool but is also viable is no less of a possible objective for players than getting solid numerical improvement.
Look, I agree with you. It's the easiest money and the explosion of gacha games only proves it.
However, saying "It's easy money" is not a compelling argument, especially in court, when the supposed argument from Valve is that it's there primarily for player enjoyment.
If it were, they'd make it completely free.
They are in for the money and we all know it.

>>739292538
>the cosmetic economy is the games only income and you are free to ignore it
But that wasn't my point at all.
I was questioning whether the system is there for truly "player enjoyment" alone. Whether or not it's optional is irrelevant.
>To fund the game.
Then it's not for player enjoyment, as it's their current stance as they approach the lawsuits.
I'm not saying the game should be un-monetized after installing the game (although I'd wish to get back to that era of gaming), but claiming that their primary funding from the game is for player enjoyment first and foremost is not a very solid ground to tread on.

>>739291747
You don't have to

>>739292823
>but claiming that their primary funding from the game is for player enjoyment first and foremost is not a very solid ground to tread on.
They didn't say that you did. The headline in the OP says "people enjoy surprises" Fact. You have decided that also means it isn't designed to also bring in money. Why? Only your retarded brain can answer that.

>>739292823
They didn't say it was there purely for enjoyment, they just said players enjoy it.

>>739292823
you know
>player enjoyment
and
>costs moneys
arent mutually exclusive, right?
we should at least agree on that

this neuro divergent sped is the neckbeard meme where it goes "leave the multi billion company alone" >>739290662
kek

>>739292974
Valve literally has the only good f2p model in the business and they want to destroy it.

>>739293006
There are no good F2P models.
F2P should not BE a model.
Games should be paid for upfront, not nickel-and-dimed as you play.

>You control the buttons you press

>>739293045
>not nickel-and-dimed as you play.
You never have to put a nickel into a valve game after you click play the first time.

>>739293050
is he wrong tho?

Really sad how a video game company gets to make so much money while actual businesses fail. Generation of arrested development.

>>739290715
But when EA said lootboxes were surpise mechanics, you fags lost your shit and now valve is using that same angle and you twist and turn just for gabes cock to slide even deeper inside your ass

>hey I just sell heroin I'm not forcing it upon him!

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Imagine if valve could no longer encourage virtual gambling and be forced to start making video games again. That's be great.

>>739293470
I didn't no and EA lootboxes had p2w items so it's not a good comparison.

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>>739293586

>>739293586
They don't even need to do virtual gambling, Steam itself generates most of their revenue. I don't understand why they still feel compelled to fill their games with cosmetics.

How exactly is it Valve's fault that people would pay actual money for skins? And how is it their fault that third party websites use said skins to gamble?

>>739289932
I love how the worst thing Valve has done is loot boxes (and that mechanic in itself is not even bad, it's the retards that don't know the concept of finances that are the problem). Meanwhile the competition is locking people in walled gardens, selling games for stupid high prices, stealing games if you fail to do an online check in, selling overpriced crap hardware, game key cards, requiring you to send a picture of yourself or your ID in order to access their systems, forcing you to pay to play online, the list goes on and on...

>>739293806
The Fortnite generation has only ever lived in a world where you buy skins for online service games. They expect it. They enjoy buying skins and loot crates as much as playing the game. Take that away and you'll lose them.

>>739294228
They did this before Fortnite was even a thing though and Steam was still wildly profitable

>>739294276
and every valve game that went f2p exploded in popularity.

The fuck is going on in this thread?
Gamblingdrones and gachafaggots are out of their mind trying to justify their addiction.
>acquire game
>should have access to all files and content inside without having to pay more
The moment you need to pay real money for ingame content, let alone pay to roll rng for ingame content is the cancer that's killing the medium for fucksake.

I still just find the real world market for this sort of shit to be one of the most retarded things that actually exists. I tried understanding it better several times it's just hard to wrap my mind around ANYONE on earth spending a sizeable amount of money on this retarded shit. Like hey this knife is a slightly different blue pattern than that one and has a retarded counter on it so it's worth $10,000. Then the people act like this 'investment' has the same staying power as buying a precious metal or something. Then the degenerate gambing around it is absolutely disgusting, at least drug addicts get something more tangible with their funds so I actually have more respect for someone who sucks dick for fentanyl.

>>739294375
You can enjoy the game for free without any disadvantage vs someone who owns every cosmetic.

>>739294440
That's why such markets are called "speculative".

>>739294375
Not really, you already have all the necessary stuff to play the game at your hands, the extra cosmetic stuff is just that, cosmetic and non-essential. You control the payments you make, if one lacks self-control then that's a 'them' problem

>>739294339
They can kinda do that when they own a major storefront, they keep putting Dota 2 in the "labor of love" category as an option to vote for during every Steam award. Deadlock is a notable exception but the fact that it's more ASSFAGGOTS is sad and chances are it's going to get monetized like the other games when it gets officially released

>>739294546
>and chances are it's going to get monetized like the other games when it gets officially released
I hope so because I like awesome free games with zero p2w mechanics.

>>739294375
>acquire a game
>"wow looks like good old cs 1.6, but with modern graphi-"
>it is turned into a f2p trash against your will
>it is turned into a gacha lootbox simulator against your will
>faggy lgbtq skins on everything and you cannot even opt out, even though that's not what you paid for
>skins are now NFTs that have their own stock market, with real money gambling attached to them via 3rd party websites that valve mysteriously unable to block (totally not because they are profiting of every gambling transaction, of course)
And this all is somehow completely swept under a rug by valve shills. You won't find another lootbox/gacha company that does all this, and yet only other companies get the blame.

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>>739294519
>if one lacks self-control then that's a 'them' problem
That's fine if we're talking about the old grannies in a casino, because they go to the casino specifically to do that. There isn't a casino in the middle of the motherfucking grocery store getting people to waste their money for a reason.

Get gambling the fuck away from video games. Or go bet on which fat guy that reeks of dirty ass will win the next Brawl tournament. Don't put fucking gamble boxes in the middle of my god damned game or any game for that matter.

>muh self control
So let's put five grams of heroin in every video game box (if boxes were still a thing). The strong will be fine, right? That's how dumb you sound.

>>739294735
The thing is, this is THE ONLY thing bad that valve does, and it's not even that bad, people's lack of restraint is the real issue, we shouldn't punish Valve for the mistake of others, it's retarded. The opposition, aka all console companies, do things that would make even Lucifer himself blush, there's no comparison

>>739294735
CS 1.6 and cs source servers still have players if you prefer that.

>via 3rd party websites that valve mysteriously unable to block
Only way to block them is to kill the entire steam market which is a awesome tool for steam users to sell useless junk for free steam wallet money. So yeah I don't want to lose that just because retards are gambling on russian websites.

>>739294947
>kill the entire steam market
Hell yea.

>>739294893
>There isn't a casino in the middle of the motherfucking grocery store getting people to waste their money for a reason.
You can buy trading cards at the grocery store though because that isn't gambling and neither are lootboxes.

>>739295064
Try it, it's free games.

>>739289932
I love Valve but this is one thing I sincerely hope they lose at. I think lootboxes should be blanket-banned across the US at bare minimum. I also think gacha should face the same sort of blanket-ban. Gambling addicts need help and should be protected from themselves.

>>739295094
What do you get out of this? Do you make a living selling csgo lootboxes on steam for 0.03 cents?

>>739294893
>There isn't a casino in the middle of the motherfucking grocery store getting people to waste their money for a reason
Not really a casino in the strict sense, but many grocery stores do have those machines with plushies/toys inside them, you know, those where you put the coin and get a random toy
>So let's put five grams of heroin in every video game box
That's drug tafficking, it's an entirely unrelated problem, unless you're trying to make a case that Gabe Newell is involved in a drug trafficking scheme, but then I'ma ask you for sources

>>739295169
I accept your concession.

>>739295191
I wasn't that anon should've typed nta

>>739289932
how long until the rothschilds get tired of this and just make gabe fall off his yacht

>>739295167
Well then you ban pokemon cards

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>>739294905
>people's lack of restraint is the real issue, we shouldn't punish Valve for the mistake of others
I fundamentally disagree with this concept.
A company should not be allowed to peddle a product that can be harmful for customers in any sense.
The idea that
>just don't buy irratiated water (picrel)
is retarded when the concept is to allow fundamentally evil companies to exploit idiots instead and laughing at them instead of trying to make the world a better place to live in, including your fellow citizens.
They may not know any better, help them instead of laughing at their misery.

>>739295245
Good, I also believe all trading cards (magic, yugioh, pokemon, etc) should also be banned for the same reason.

>>739295218
What do I get out of awesome f2p valve games with zero p2w mechanics? A lot of fun.

I used to defend and be alright with cases but seeing how Valve started mishandling their games over the span of years made me think that cases were the catalyst in them stopping making any games alltogether, just churning out more cosmetic slop and UGC content to rake off money from.
Old Valve is dead.

>>739291193
EA loot-boxes contained actual game-play affecting gear and items.

At lest Activation and Valve made it Cosmetic only.

Imagine if in CS2 you got like a 10-25% damage bonus on your gun because it drooped from a loot box.

>>739295268
good luck :)

>>739295330
At least I stand by my principles. You defend jewish corporations.

>>739295374
>>739295304

>>739295409
I have nothing to do with that post. I'm not the anon you were talking to.

>>739295449
I defend good valve games is the point you can spin it anyway you like to cope. I'd love to see what garbage you play.

>>739293586
Valve doesn't have the talent to make video games, see: Artifact Underlords Deadlock

>With a straight face, local drug insists heroin is fine and “people enjoy nodding out” in move to dismiss trafficking charges

There are people that spent more money on this than heroin and got nothing in return.

>>739295568
I've seen a junkie but i've never seen a lootbox addict.

>>739295523
I play good Valve games too, just nothing online and especially nothing with lootboxes.

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>>739295172
>That's drug tafficking
Missing the point. Getting someone (especially a child) addicted to a substance or an addicting activity is insidious.

There is nothing good about gambling. Gambling addicts never fucking stop. The will casually bet their last penny away.

Do you know why you avoid places with heroin addicts? Do you know why you don't give heroin to your friends and family?
Same fucking reason I don't go to casinos and I don't give my family members a trip to Vegas as a gift (also Vegas sucks now, but that's not the point).

>>739291050
it's not gambling, it's all worthless shit
retards are giving it worth and selling within themselves, it's the same thing with trading cards

>>739295603
Well your loss. Here's a tip: don't buy the lootbox it's easy if you try.

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>>739295304
>valve games with zero p2w mechanics
You know, it's not strictly pay2win, but you can't argue that shelling out on, say, TF2 items doesn't throw a wrench in the way of balance. You can pay for disruptive visuals on your character model or outright to modify your class so that the other players can no longer discern your gameplay functions at a glance, which is a marked departure from the game's original design paradigm.

Again, not strictly pay2WIN, but still sucks.

>>739295630
I just won't play games with lootboxes at all. Again, I have principles and stand by them.

>>739295632
Making yourself easier to see is p2L. Also I have 5k+ hours in TF2 and I've literally never had a situation where someones cosmetic made me miss. All the weapons are easily ID'd at a glance or audio for any veteran.

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You need a payment method of some kind to buy skins/keys/boxes/whatever
An underage kid doesn't have online payment methods unless their parent either gave them one or the kid stole CC
Why is the government expected to raise the kids of lazy incompetent parents while in reality fucking normal adults in the process?

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>>739295598
>never seen a lootbox addict.
Bro, there are people addicted to watching other people open the fucking things.

Loot boxes are a $20 billion dollar industry annually. 90% of that comes from whales who can't stop.

>>739295643
Because....uh optional cosmetics are unethical...for some unknown reason....in a free game. Hmm

>>739291050
>gambling is more of a problem now
Who cares
Why is it Valve's problem people are stupid
This is "McDonald's made me fat" tier

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I think it should all be banned for sure. But, it will never happen.

>>739295794
I've never seen it. Like I said I've seen the junkie and the blight they cause in real life. Someone clicking a youtube video of someone opening lootboxes doesn't bother me.

>>739289932
Fun fact, CS:GO cases get banned and all games with ANY sort of "rolling" mechanic gets banned with it

>>739295787
>Why is the government expected to raise the kids of lazy incompetent parents
You can't run a society filled with a useless addicts staring at video game screens hoping for a purple knife.

The government has to step in sometimes and stop stupid shit.
>but muh parents
Like there's some kind of standard for a parent. If you can put your hard dick in a pussy, you're qualified according to the law.

That's a whole other story I won't get into. Suffice to say, you can't trust the average idiot to not turn his child into an even worse idiot.

>>739295824
Gambling is unethical and gambling addicts are severely mentally ill and will do anything to defend and continue their habit.

>>739295953
Good news for you: lootboxes aren't gambling.

>>739295985
They very much are. Just because the reward isn't money, doesn't mean the act isn't gambling. You are extremely disingenuous and I'm going to stop replying to you now.

>>739295952
>please let me lick the boot PLEASE
kill yourself shitty skin

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>>739289932
Who gives a shit. Just play the game.

>>739296013
>Just because the reward isn't money, doesn't mean the act isn't gambling.
Well the law disagrees with you my retarded friend. So the next time you see those pokemon packs at the grocery store stop and think why that is.

>>739295878
>can't see it so it's not happening as far as I know
So you're a the toddler level of development? What are you trying to say?

>>739295741
>Making yourself easier to see is p2L.
Mate, everyone and everything is easy to see in TF2. That was one of the major conceits of its visual design, from the ground up. I'm talking about situations where floating particles and jiggle bones can throw off your aim when making a precision shot, for example when playing Sniper.
>All the weapons are easily ID'd at a glance
You see a Medic with his syringe gun out. What kind of uber can he pop? You see a Soldier with his shovel out. What's in his primary slot and can it hurt you? You see a Spy with his knife out. You kill him. He's gone until respawn, right?
Contrast this with the original game where every class's full ability set was known by default, so each and every confrontation was down to positioning, teamwork and player skill. This was how the game was originally designed. Having these additional variables, never mind in such numbers, goes hard against that. You can like it or you can dislike it, but it's a departure from the original intent.

>>739296083
It's not a problem is the point unlike the junkie.

Zero empathy, why should I feel it for someone who willingly shoots themselves in the foot when they were thaught to not to do it countless times, be it in school, be it from parents, be it from tv shows, you name it, that person chose to ignore all of it and ruin their finances, why would I blame Valve for having an otherwise inoffensive mechanic in their games? Picture the following scenario
>"Yo dude, those crocodiles inside the enclosure are very rad, huh?"
>"Yeah and they can't do shit to us here while they're locked in there"
>"Dude, I'm gonna jump the fence and get in there with the crocodiles!!!"
>"WTF don't do this dude, they're predators and they'll see you as prey, it's in their nature, are you retarded?"
>"No dude, I'm totally gonna jump in there with them!!"
>"Dude, just no, they're gonna kill you, stop it"
>"Nah, dude, it's fine I'll live!"
>Jumps in
>Gets gored by the crocodiles
Why should I feel empathy for the retard? Why should I blame the crocodiles? Same thing applies to Valve here

>>739296086
>You see a Medic with his syringe gun out. What kind of uber can he pop? You see a Soldier with his shovel out. What's in his primary slot and can it hurt you? You see a Spy with his knife out. You kill him. He's gone until respawn, right?
What? Now you're arguing for no new weapons at all? This is about cosmetics. Fucking retard nobody wants TF2 to lose all the fun weapons that have come since release.

>>739296140
Culture of safetyism
The biggest "rebels" are the biggest proponents of safetyism

>>739295617
>>739295787
>Muh kids

Reminder CS is a 18+ rated videogame product. Children should not be present in the first place.

>>739296173
Well that just further reinforces my point

>>739291045
Making the games free opened the floodgates. Lowering the standard of player. Adding collectible cosmetics means that Valve focussing on selling collectibles instead of making great games. If you can't see this, then you are the cancer as well

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>>739296161
This is about paying players being (more) capable of disrupting the game balance, actually. And I don't see how it's a debate to begin with. They can. Them's the facts.

You cannot gun for Valve, shoot it down, and then when the nozzle turns to EA & Microsoft cry foul.
Valve could just pull up all these other cases and compare their situations with theirs and say 'so why does it apply now'.

>>739294440
only a small few are genuine "appreciators" of these worthless items. the rest are playing a hot potato game of finding a bigger fool to take the potato off their hands. They pay these ridiculous sums thinking that theyll get back their investment plus profit from a future sale with this "desirable" item because the sale itself props up its speculative value.

>>739296256
And the thing is, what Valve does it absolutely nothing compared to what the competition does

>>739296248
Good you can go play on that dead TF2 classic mod that removes everything. Nobody agrees with you.

>>739296354
>Nobody agrees with you.
If there is such a mod, that kind of proves you wrong from the get go, doesn't it?

>>739296396
ya It being dead says a lot

>>739296307
It will also blast open the mobile gaming market. This also in turn affects the real gambling markets as well because they KNOW it all is exposure of risk and reward. The fact is they KNOW they could make these games free but where is the profit.
Whoever is trying to get these laws applied is fighting gambling / wages which is just as old as whoring / prostitution. It is unbelievably stupid to think such a think can be implemented and upheld properly. That is full authoritarian control kind of laws.

>>739296449
Someone made it, didn't they?

>>739296517
Maybe you I don't know.

>>739292769

NY is doing this literally because Valve won a lawsuit against some faggoty j*w, they're not going after them in good faith at all.

>>739291050
gambling is more of a problem because actual real online gambling is legal now lol not because of lootcrates

>>739296227
>Lowering the standard of player.
Is that bad? I'd rather the game not just be sweats
>Adding collectible cosmetics means that Valve focussing on selling collectibles instead of making great games.
Debatable, I think steam is the bigger reason.

>>739294375
>>739294735

Quit seething and make better arguments if you wanna win.

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>>739295878
Are you arguing that just because something can't be (easily) seen, it doesn't pose a problem?
I'm curious. What's your stance on bacterial infections? That can't be seen either or accredited to a specific strain of viral or bacterial gene without specific tools or viewpoints.
What's your stance on coal miners who may die due to corporal negligence? You can't see those either.
Or are you completely content with other people saying that (You) and your problems -whatever that may be- doesn't matter because the matter is simply not infront of them while walking down the street?

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>>739289932
Wish something happened from this cause I am sick and tired of how focused cs2 is on skins and cosmetics. They added a whole new fucking inspect menu for it for fucks sake.
Reminder that the armory pass is just another layer of shitty gambling rolls compared to the old operations that gave way fucking more content

>>739289932
Guess the embarrassment EA faced when saying this exact same shit with straight face years ago wasn't that impactful if Valve thinks they'll fare better.

>>739293806
Do yourself a favor and don't watch any professional CS2 tournaments or events. They push case opening hard. They always make sure to show at least one person in the crowd opening a case live, pros are required to have an automatic keybind that inspects their knife when they select it to show off the skin, etc. They aren't even being subtle anymore in the pro scene about it. (Not to mention that 99% of the sponsors / team funding comes from gambling sites, although that isn't a Valve problem - that's how all sports are now).

>>739296881
I don't think it is a problem at all and I'll continue to think that until proven otherwise. Just like I don't think pokemon packs are a serious problem.

The guy I responded too used a disgusting junkie as an analogy. It is a shit analogy any way you look at it.

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>>739296756
You dropped your tiny hat, moshe.

>>739289932
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>739289932
I don't understand why anyone gives a shit about these things. They're free drops in free games you can sell for free money. If people want to waste their money on them, then who gives a fuck. They need a credit card to do that, meaning they're an adult. And if they're not, then the parent gets what they deserve for not being a fucking parent.

just don't get them
>nooooo, I have to!
well, I guess he's right and you enjoy them then

>>739293470
>surprise mechanics you had to shell out a fortune for
>surprise purely cosmetic skins that drop for free
Hm, if only there was a difference here.
Valve is right. If these faggots want a case, they should have gone after trading card packs fucking ages ago. Why is Pokemon not getting sued into the dirt for explicitly going after children?

i already unboxed a gold very early on meaning i made + on cases which only very few people can say
idc about what they do now i made my dough and only collected cases from weekly drops now in hopes they get banned so they will rise in worth
so yeah please ban this shit

>>739290572
Those same people claim the oblivion horse was the first in game micro-transaction.
I specifically remember playing Nexon / NCSoft dancing games with paid skins before 360 was even a thing

>>739291193
These affected gameplay
CS2 does nothing but skins

>>739292114
They sell all hats introduced prior to the addition of cosmetic cases, which you really cannot buy the items off from on the Mann Co store but you can on the Steam market.
If you buy any item or someone gifts you a Premium upgrade you can also craft your own hats for free.

>>739296013
It does though. The reason gambling is both enormously profitable and dangerously addictive is confirmation bias: when you win, your brain is wired to pour your winnings back into the game to “win more” because you think you are “doing well”. When you lose, your brain is wired to pour more money in to “make back” your winnings. The predatory nature system is largely built upon the fact that winning pays out more than the cost of playing, and your brain is bad at understanding the probabilities at work.

Paying money to get a random thing is a scummy practice that exploits autistic collectors, but it’s not gambling. It’s a kind of grey area with CS2 skins specifically since people are reselling them, so you could argue that the winnings function like chips in a casino, except (legally) Valve does not allow cashing the skins out for real money, and that’s by design, because that’s the crucial difference that makes it fundamentally not gambling. By Valve’s design of the system, you can not ever PROFIT off of a CS2 lootcrate. You pay money, you get some pixels, and everything else is extra steps that change what those pixels are. It is not (again, officially) a system for turning money into more money.

>>739289932
>muh tranny One Piece and Pokemon trading cards - NOT GAMBLING
>STEAM / Valve - GAMBLING ! now pay ze fine
how can they win?

>>739299441
nta but I believe valve is doing some tax writeoff or otherwise gaining bank from their tax on skin sales in marketplace otherwise it wouldnt be at 5 billion market cap
They have invested way too much effort into all that just so it'd be something for the "community" even if it is just incentivizing people to put money into steam. There are tens of millions of marketplace trades happening a day thanks to all the bot automation that valve lets be that gets taxed back & forth constantly

>>739296208
It doesn’t. Parents should be the ones liable when they allow their kids to get hooked on digital crack.

>>739289932
how come this is being pushed so hard ever since the rothschild lawsuit?

>>739289932
I really hope one day we can consider these digital items and gachas as gambling and prohibit it everywhere.

>>739299928
the nose knows.

>>739289932
Loot boxes are cancer but it only kills dumb people anyway

This whole thing makes me remember pachinko parlors where they say is not gambling but you can exchange the "tokens" in 3rd party sites i hope gabe loses this one

>>739289932
What the fuck? Valve doesn't want to lose a random lawsuit? Weird.

>>739290715
And when I buy a pack of baseball cards, they are mine and can't be taken away when MLB shuts down their servers, valve cultist.

>>739291072
Loot boxes themselves are not necessarily bad. Being able to buy them is always 100% cancer, and very obviously a way for faggot corpo rats like Gabe to do an end run around all gambling laws. Which I think are retarded anyway, but so is the Civil Rights Act, and if we're going to have these pigshit retarded laws, the niggers (like Gabe) must be held to them just like everyone else is.

>>739290572
Because they were.
No one else was doing lootboxes, they were doing shitty time limited paid cosmetics, sure, but random lootboxes and shit was purely TF2 hats. After its success, other games started introducing random lootboxes for cosmetics.
Nexon started microtransactions, but lootboxes are all valve. Get your history right, tourist nigger.

>>739291843
The product is gambling and in violation of laws that other products actually follow. Deal with it, valvie.

>>739298205
They dont drop in cs2 unless you pay 15 dollars to unlock prime.

okay, here is a useless skin you can buy
>NOOOOOO WTF MY MONEY HEEEEELP HELP HELP AIEEEEEE
how about you just don't buy it then? you can still play the game as normal
>NOOOOO I'M ADDICTED TO BUYING USELESS STUFF I CAN'T JUST NOT BUY IT I NEED IT HELP ME LAW AIEEEEEEE
can't you just ban literally anything with that line of argumentation?

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>>739295902
*PAID rolling mechanic
Still
>mfw

I used to be more against digital lootboxes but then I saw shit like labubu's and other landfillslop make people genuinely go insane.
I also find it crazy that roblox, mobile games, sports games, and gacha games are infinitely worse with this shit but nobody seems to give a fuck about those.

>>739301000
Why does it occupy space on my hard drive if I can't access it without paying fuckloads of cash

>>739289932
Val/v/e cultists mindlessly defend Valve no matter how dogshit and jewish they are.

>>739301360
You can still hate lootboxes while also hating labubus
Not mutually exclusive

>>739289932
>people enjoy surprises
lol based

>>739301458
I still do just not as much as I used to. It's hard to care about the digital thing when the physical thing causes subhumans to fight with children and people just doing their job with the ultimate end result being worse for the earth.

>>739301558
Whores hate it when I surprise them with a cumshot

>>739289932
if i sold all of my old csgo cases i could buy games for free for the rest of my life on steam. im going to keep holding the cases though.

>>739291193
Need for speed world had overpowered cars locked behind lootboxes.

>.
Why do you niggers do this

>>739302383
It's presented without comment.
>but-
This is an imageboard.

>>739292009
how?

>>739303076
But it's always a period

>>739297153
>pros are required to have an automatic keybind that inspects their knife when they select it to show off the skin
wow how could Gaben do this

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>>739296526
>This thing that exists? Y-You made it just to prove me wrong, I know it!!!!!
I don't say it often, but take your fucking meds, man.

>>739289932
EA's excuse for FIFA gambling and lootboxes was exactly the same: "They are exciting" and "we call them a surprise mechanic".
I'm sure you can find a link or a video.

>>739306362
*I mean they were in court too if it wasn't obvious

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>>739289932
Lobotomite HQ doing lobotomite jewish things
>You dont get it! we love encouraging juvenile gambling and when you grow out of it we'll handicap your matchmaking and make CS become 1.7 for not having skins! Everybody at valve needs a nice little 22 bullet in their little chimp brain for managing to fuck up user end experience and acting like liberals every single one of you are trannies.

why should anyone give a fuck, its not like they give you any advantage whatsoever
let retards waste their savings on shitty neon dildo knives

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>>739291014
>with lootboxes for TF2. CS:GO/2
Yet the were never popular enough to garner public, media and political attention until Overwatch and Fifa. Curious.

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>>739291050
Fix the economy then instead of fucking with the copium supply.