How are non-magic users in videogames supposed to counter mages, warlocks, sorcerers and wizards with the fuckhuge powergap?
>>739299837Modern weaponry is far more effective and efficient than magic
>>739299837In Harry Potter at least, its canon that wizards can do much against guns and bombs
>>739299837Just keep shouting so they can't concentrate and say their spells properly.
>>739299948*cant
>>739299837Which game? It depends on the specific setting
>>739299948If the wizarding community played the long game through subterfuge, subversion and cunning they would win easily. They can mind-control, teleport, dispel items, transmute matter and command entire legions of magical monsters that have no known counter like dementors or house elves.
>>739299837With this wand right here. 11 and half inches, alabaster shaft, all natural core.>unzips BMC
>>739299837Through arbitrary limitations to casters for the sake of "balance" of course.The best way would be to make normies exploit "human" weaknesses rather than artificial ones, but that means actual encounter planning.
Jump over the magic
>>739300129Yup, thats pretty much Voldemort and his followers goal
>>739300129If the wizarding community was meant to have any realism instead of being just a parody of english society it would be either fully commingled with muggles or playing illuminati. No way in hell they'd convince their lower class to stay poor and downtrodden when it could just go be winners in muggle society.
>>739299837Just shoot them when they least expect it.
>>739299837>AVADA KA->blat blat blat, watchin wizzads dropKeep your mages in the back for dealing area of affect damage and healing obviously retard.
If, in your setting, wizards can manipulate reality at max level, then your fighters should scale equivalently. If you're not going to have major power gaps at low levels like traditional DND, then at level 20 your fighter shouldn't just be "guy who swing sword good", he should be a Herculean powerhouse capable of legendary feats of strength and martial skill. I'm talking splitting an arrow they plunked into a bird on the wing, shattering enemy shields with a pommel strike, crushing boulders with their bare hands.Any other design option is just glazing wizoids
>>739300337Maybe its the wizards themselves and their complete lack of creativity with their powers and how to stay under the radar. Were talking about a society that completely undervalues or misunderstands love and thinks murder is the worst thing you can ever do.
Meet Avada and Kedavra
>>739300129plap the female Draco
>>739299837What setting?
>>739299898mages, warlocks, sorcerers and wizards can use that shit just fine, plus magic
>>739300528>Were talking about a society that completely undervalues or misunderstands love and thinks murder is the worst thing you can ever do.Well, you could make that case in a watsonian sense, but is it worth it? It's pretty obvious that it wasn't jkr's intent to present wizards that way, it's just the result of her being a stupid woman for the love bit, and writing kid/ya lit for the murder bit. The whole series is full of fridge horrors.
>>739299837>throat punch to stun/interrupt/silence>liver blow to disable
>>739300998You have to take it at face value, because if you think about the world of harry potter even for a moment is completely falls apart. You can't make any logical leaps without putting the entire setting into question, so you have to either accept the setting as presented or just give up entirely.
>>739300682>Weirded out by women liking Draco when I was a kid>See Cassandra
>>739299837Anti magickMagic users itself should be rare but known enough that shit like amulets, totem, idols, fetishes, effigies etc can either be imbued or warded from magic but keep it grounded by having certain rituals or rites needed to be done
>>739299837Harry Potter is notoriously OP, and even then the wizards have to spend their young lives in a school to learn and practice practical applications of magic. Magic doesn't equal unlimited perfect defense at all times. Pretty hard to cast when you have been silenced by a dagger/arrow/bullet in your throat. At the end of the day magic is just another tool to be trained with. It still comes down to the skill of the combatants.
>>739301491Sure, whatever, but wizard high school students are strong enough to cast fiendfyre, teleport themselves and cast imperio. Muggles don't come close.
>>739301836It's not a matter of strength you disingenuous turd. Especially for wizards. Surely they have significant advantages. However if we are talking optimal combat, even some wizards might find better efficiency from just getting a gun and doing it wild west style.
>>739301116>You have to take it at face value, because if you think about the world of harry potter even for a moment is completely falls apart.More like you can't take it at face value because the setting isn't coherent enough. You have to interpret what the author meant to convey and willfully ignore the unaccounted for implications.
>>739301491>Harry Potter is notoriously OPWhat? It is quite possibly the weakest universe of all universes with a fanbase willing to defend its power. A 14 year old skinnyfat half-blind retard was able to consistently dodge killing spells from the most powerful wizard in their universe the first time they ever fought. I'm neither a powerlevelfag nor an animefag, but jesus christ dude. Real life outscales Harry Potter. Fucking Detective Conan probably outscales Harry Potter. Those dumbasses couldn't stop melted ice if they tried.
>>739299837Didn't JK say that a machine gun beats a wizard?
>>739300939The funny thing is that in harry potter, they can't. They're all technologically disabled.
>>739301491>Pretty hard to cast when you have been silencedHP magic doesn't require speaking
>>739300523they should also have access to magical artifacts that can offset a lot of the spellcasters faggotry.
>>739302290this, too. they are crippled by tradition. any technology beyond a bell on a desk or a set of bellows is beyond their comprehension. and the muggleborn somehow all managed to agree to never use their technological prowess
>>739299837have you seen how long it takes to cast a spell just shoot them
>>739299837>>739299898Usually in games like that the warriors and the like are also superhuman. They rarely explain if they just “use” magic differently as if training somehow enriches the body along the way but they have something to it.>>739300939Depends on how you handle it. In D&D for example there is a reason there is a class that has super spells based on their lineage but lacks versatility.One of them dedicates their life to refining what they inherited, while the other without that instead expands to many types of magic becoming versatile. The former COULD do the latter but if they did, their inherited magic wouldn’t be as strong.My point is: if a mage can hone more mudane crafts like bodybuilding and other weapons, it’s time that could be and is usually used honing their spells. In the long run this means they either will take a crapton more time for that or their spells will be weaker.
>>739302473The muggleborn eventually stop using technology themselves once they move into primarily magic-user inhabited areas, and get used to doing so in Hogwarts. Because with too much magic around, technology stops working.
>>739302226It’s funny that Harry Potter has *all* of the reasons for their mages to live in secrecy with how powerful modern weapons are. A common handgun isn’t that different from a lethal spell. Even if it won’t be a surekill, the projectile breaking the sound barrier already makes it arguably more dangerous than most they have in the roster since they always have time enough to react and cast some defensive spell.But that isn’t ever addressed in the main series (if it is forgiven me I read it like over 20 years ago). They just live in secrecy and that’s it.
>>739302745As I recall, the real reason is "fuck them muggles, if we tell them magic is real they'll just want us to help them with magic and why would we bother with that"
>>739302591>Because with too much magic around, technology stops working.i don't think this was ever established. how the fuck could a ministry of magic have a dept. for muggle shit if that was the case? everything they brought in would cease to function and there'd be no chance of properly convicting anyone trying to use technology for evil.here i go again, dissecting some dopey woman's worldbuilding despite how inconsistent it all is
>>739302823It's the reason they gave why they use 18th century tech in Hogwarts. I think the magic government just makes sure the muggles don't get their hands on enchanted muggle stuff.
>>739299837they are outnumbered, at least 1:500 - 1:1000.power gap doesnt matter mutch if all it takes is a stray bullet to succeed.
>>739302814JK rowling is a brainlet woman who thinks that the government is permanent and all-knowing. that's why voldemort just 'takes over' the ministry in the later books and it all works out for him, he suddenly has all access to their eyes and ears and every employee keeps doing their job but just with more sad.she also felt compelled to write the scene where the muggle prime minister talks to whoever is leading the ministry of magic at the time. she couldn't leave her shoddy worldbuilding to imply that the UK government is unaware of an entire second civilization, and felt it was better to have the PM know and do nothing about it, living in fear.So even that idea is mangled with contradictions
>>739301116True. The author wasn't trying to make it realistic to the modern world. Some people are taking it too seriously.But that always happens. Look at how people pick apart the transporters in Star Trek. It's just a narrative device. Magic in Harry Potter isn't that well thought through, it's just a wizarding school for secretly special children, the kind who fantasise about there being more to life while they're sitting there bored in class.Wizards in Harry Potter have near god-like power. They can cast a spell, and the spell will keep doing things while they aren't paying attention. They can create sentient brooms that will sweep floors for a thousand years with no further input besides the single word they spoke to start with. Magic doesn't tire them out or require anything, just that initial thought that starts it. They don't even really need wands or to say words.
>>739302873>It's the reason they gave why they use 18th century tech in Hogwartsbut they don't go past that very far anywhere else. the most complex thing the weasley's own is a clock and it's clearly magic. all of diagon alley is like a victorian high street. if it was just hogwarts, wouldn't it be... just hogwarts?
>>739303165and the spoken word is optional. commonly taught because it helps prevent the mind from wandering, but optional.
>>739303105>JK rowling is a brainlet womanWorse, she's a blairite liberal.In her mind government isn't good or bad. It's just a tool used for good or bad. That's why no reform is ever needed, just more good people in power. But if you have bad people in power, the whole government turns bad for them.It's the mindset of the ultimate status quo defender. Someone who cannot conceptualize that the system itself is bad and needs to be replaced. That's why Hermoine goes into government and Harry becomes a cop. Because the people in power just need to be good people and all is well. Even if they still have slaves.
>>739302226>It is quite possibly the weakest universe of all universes with a fanbase willing to defend its powerCombat in HP is fucking retarded almost exclusively due to jkr's tactics: plenty of spells are presented as being no beam auto hit, yet she has everyone use exclusively slow, dodgeable pew pews.
>>739303392If you remember Rowling was around when Maggie Thatcher was in charge it starts to make sense.
>>739303392yeah, like I said, she thinks it's some permanent aspect of life on earth. god created adam and eve and adam became prime minister of the government that was already there. all that's changed is sometimes bad guys are in charge of the government and use it wrong. never question the systems of governance or anything like that. it just IS, and always will be.
>>739303392>>739304230>>739306274>Only started seeing this critique after she came out against troonshmm...Anyways it's a good thing she didn't turn HP into some schizo endorsement of communism or anarchy or whatever embarrassing teenage algo you've fallen into.
>>739307975JK Rowling is an old style of liberal. She has some really naïve ideas and dumb explanations but that’s it. In the end she isn’t the psychotic type of people we have nowadays. There is stuff you will like, stuff you will dislike but overall everyone here liked Harry PotterNothing of the shit we have nowadays that everything has to be some self-insert political therapy
>>739303392Whites are the only ones who think having slaves is bad
>>739299898Okay but how many games have guns and magic?
>>739299898>Oh no, how is this magic amulet that blocks bullets from getting within 5 feet of me ever supposed to keep me safe from guns???Are you retarded?
>>739299837Depends on how magic is implemented, but the answer is generally either>Learning magic takes so much time that they can't train to be physically strong or agile as wellOr>Magic is so rare that even though they're cracked, they can't just shit all over the non-magical world
>>739308571>nowadays that everything has to be some self-insert political therapyThis is why the Farseer series is based. It's just good pure Fantasy without revolving around metaphors for real world contemporary issues.
>>739300129the wizarding community are inbred retards, nothing in that world makes any sense
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>>739299837>>739299837>>739299837>>739299837>>739311546>>739311545>>739311190>>739311059Harry should have ended up with Hermione
>>739303203It's explained in I think the fourth book that Hogwarts specifically has an enchantment around it to interfere with electronics functioning, it's not a stretch to assume other wizard settlements may have something similar
>>739311663Hermione should have ended up with me
though not called magic, other classes have magic too, for example look at wow.paladins can use their sacred thingy to attack, druids can use the power of the groove/nature, rogues can be assassins that use poisons or swashbucklers with obvious baseline situational superstrenght
>>739310842Trails, for example
>>739311663They fucked in the forest. Two 16 year olds who already cared deeply for each other and thought they were going to die, left alone with nothing to do for weeks? 1000% fucked dozens of times.>>739311812Also this though. How did a faggot like Rowling make the perfect autism waifu?
>>739311546>gogglesYou won't die but it'll still petrify you
>>739311663Why? The fuck do they have in common? She's always had the best chemistry with Ron.
>>739312535>Ron often used jealousy or teasing to mask his feelings, which clashed with Hermione's need for directness>Their relationship was defined by bickering that frequently crossed the line from "playful" to hurtful>Ron often grew frustrated or bored by Hermione's academic passions rather than engaging with them>Ron's feelings of being "second best" made him sensitive, leading to many avoidable misunderstandings>Hermione relied on logic and planning, while Ron was impulsive and reactive>Harry valued Hermione's intelligence as a survival asset, never belittling her for being "too smart">Growing up in the Muggle world gave them a shared cultural shorthand that Ron couldn't understand>Unlike the drama with Ron, Harry and Hermione could sit in comfortable silence for hours>Hermione chose to stay with Harry during his darkest moments, even when Ron walked away>They functioned as an efficient team, instinctively knowing how to support each other during high-stakes missions
>>739312993Tl;dr:>Ron: toxic but attractive boyfriend>Harry: friendzoned
>>739299837Magic-resistant armors.
>>739299837It has been decreed that witches are agents of the devil and thus have no human rights. The use of biological weapons is allowed.
>>739313076>AttractiveNot canonically >Friend zonedAlways portrayed as his own choice>Rowling has public said she fucked up and had simply always planned to have Harry end up with Ginny, realizing only after the fact that the story had evolved during the writing process and that she forced this conclusion despite it not making sense, and that Harry and Hermione was the obviously superior choice in hind sight She's just a shit writer guys, it's not more complicated than that
>>739299898It reminds me of the Buffy episode where there was supposedly an unkillable monster, but it was only unkillable by 1300s standards.So they shot it with a bazooka and it died instantly.
They should combine guns with magic
>>739313445>Not canonicallyNigga you literally described what makes Ron attractive to Hermione.
>>739313445>Rowling has public said she fucked upYounger Rowling: likes bad boys like RonOlder Rowling: likes safer and tamer boys like Harry (wouldn't fuck him though)
something something sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic
>>739299837Make a dude that turns off all magic if you are near him I guess.
>>739310948I wonder how well that amulet would block out sonic weapons like the discombobulators Delta Force used to abduct Maduro.
>>739313521>magically infuse bullets with the raw personification of your own retarded worldview>give people manaflow aids when they try to block them
>>739313607>bad boys like RonThe chess nerd? He's described by other characters, and shown in scenes, to be awkward, petty, and unlikeable. It's literally the B plot of an entire book about how his proximity to Chad Potter is the only reason people know who he is at all.>>739313542>you literally described what makes Ron attractiveYou must think I'm a different anon
>>739314037I mean there are magic barriers that block all sound, so like, it's probably fine
>>739314826Okay. But what if I build a rocket, fly into space, put thrusters on an extinction level asteroid and yeet it onto the planet?
>>739302823Arthurs flying car still works. Hermione explains electronics don't work in Howgarts in the 4th book.
>>739314596I really liked how they made both Kiritsugu and Kairi as people incorporating their craft in modern weapons.Usually the issue with bigshot mages that can cast hurricanes is the long casting time and the story plays with the younger one being faster with more conventional stuff.But in Fate the actual issue they have is the mana reserves since all mages have already all that stuff prepared beforehand in a compact artifact or stone. So they can circumvent the casting speed issue. So Mage Killers stand out because of stuff like magic grenades or bullets specifically tailored to kill people since the combat magic most mages have are a byproduct of their actual magic.
>>739302745Toji from jjk solos the entire verse.Dont even need a sorcerer
>>7393151051) Teleport lots of wizards to the moon If its too far then 2) Slap a portkey onto a rocket then land it on the moon. After landing a large number of wizards on the moon, Accio Asteroid together pulling asteroid to the moon instead.Warp away to the Earth with another portkey before it hits.
>>739315105Sephiroth detected.Just cast HOLY.
>>739314826>magic barriers that block all soundNow they won't have to hear their own screams as the knife pierces their back.
>>739311686>Haha filthy muggle your electronics dont work hereDoesnt really stop a gun tho does it?
>>739315625Ah, you see, I knew you would attempt that. That's why I preemptively launched 1000 thermonuclear warheads onto the moon.
>>739315763or artillery.
00s fashion solos
>>739316172or phosgene gas.
>>739299837How are magic using pansies supposed to counter warriors, berserkers, knights, and fighters?
>>739299948Which is really stupid. A wizard can teleport, just pick up a big old bag of C4 and teleport into any military base you want. A wizard can teleport at the speed of thought which is faster than a bullet, just teleport away. Or shit just mind control the president and launch some nukes.
>>739299837Technology and guns
>>739317182I don't recall a mind control spell
>>739317626Its used semi frequently, but there is a mind control spell. Honestly if you look at all the abilities that show up in the series the wizards in harry potter are almost demigods while being crippled by the frequent inbreeding.
>>739317182Apparition isn't just a mental blink. It requires a specific physical "turn" on the spot and intense concentration on the "Three Ds": Destination, Determination, and Deliberation. A wizard must process the need to leave, focus on a destination, and perform the magical action. And no, thoughts aren't faster than a bullet. A headshot is lights out, gg no re. Don't forget that when a wizard loses focus during that process, he can "splinch", leaving half his body behind.Even the most powerful wizards like Voldy cannot teleport across continents. In The Deathly Hallows, Voldemort had to fly over the sea from Europe to get close enough to England to finally apparate. And carrying a "big old bag of C4" would be physically and magically taxing. The more you carry, the harder the jump becomes. And finally: you cannot apparate to a place you cannot clearly visualize. A wizard couldn't just teleport into a secret high-security military bunker unless he had seen the inside of it before.>just mind control the president and launch some nukeslol, lmao even, dare I say lmfao
>>739317959What was the name of the spell?
>>739319337Imperio.
>>739316796Based symphogear poster.
>>739302591That's not truth, that's just a speculation of that in-universe book. In fact Slughorn used magic on muggle alarm just fine, it didn't break and it worked as intended. See also: Mr. Weasley's car. Most likely reason why magic does not work in Hogwarts is some concrete single zone enchantment either accidentally or intentionally interferes with delicate electronics. So not amount of spells, but just side effect of concrete spell.
>>739319710Thanks Anon
>>739299837Magic exists in all forms and warriors just make sure to have counters ready. You don't run into a gun fight unprepared if you can.
>Harrytrannies coming ITT defending a hack's shitty worldbuildingNothing about Harry Potter was good and your rose-tinted glasses can't change reality
>>739299837>Tear gas grenades for Somatic spells or magic that require Line of Sight.>Anti-Magic wards/amulets/armor/etc.>Having your own mages to buff you.>Just use your own version of martial magic.Also consider that Mages will be a HUGE target for rogues and assassins. Killing a court wizard could devastate a kingdom.
>>739299837Shartifact had a great answer to this very question
>>739319175>>just mind control the president and launch some nukes>lol, lmao even, dare I say lmfaoWhy wouldn't Wizards be able to cast Imperio and dominate the battlefield?>inb4 muh morals
>>739303165>>739300337So the final takeaway from Harry Potter is that despite the near godlike power the wizarding community has, it stays hidden and secreted from mainstream society and is woefully stuck in the past technology and culture wise, which limits its potential to straight up just rule the world. So the moral of the story is to be more progressive and forward thinking, less racist and old fashioned.And the irony of this is that author would become a famous right wing figure in years to come
>>739321998You literally described the bad guy's stance
>>739311663You got subverted chud :^)
>>739300523This. If even a single Muggle gets to Mashle level they are fucking cooked.Watch Mashle. It's a what if One Punch man went to Hogwarts.
>>739300523Funny enough, they tried that and it was laughed at.
>>7393218841. The imperius curse is an unforgivable curse that requires immense magical skill, focus, and genuine intent to control someone. Out of the tiny wizarding population, only a fraction are powerful enough to cast it successfully. In goblet of fire, Moody tells the class that they could all point their wands at him and say the curse, and he doubt he’d get "so much as a nosebleed".2. You cannot just cast a curse from distance. A wizard would have to physically infiltrate a bunker or active battlefield to cast it. When the death eaters took over the ministry of magic, Yaxley had to physically corner and cast the curse on Pius Thicknesse in person.3. The curse can be thrown off with willpower. And when the caster isn't skilled enough, the curse doesn't grant smooth control but just destroys the victim's mind. Harry successfully fights off the curse from both Barty Crouch Jr. and Voldy himself.4. The curse is not fire and forget. Keeping someone under long-term control requires constant maintenance, proximity checks, and magical reinforcement. A single wizard cannot mindcontrol a whole platoon of soldiers at once. Barty Crouch Sr. was kept under the curse by Voldemort and his son, but because he was left alone too long, his own mind began to fight through, and he managed to break free and attempted to warn Dumbledore.5. Militaries and governments are specifically designed to prevent a single rogue actor from causing catastrophic damage. A soldier randomly turning on his squad would be instantly shot or restrained. A President ordering a nuclear strike... you get the gist. Perhaps you should read into the two-man rule, nuclear football protocols, and the 25th Amendment. Even within the ministry, the death eaters couldn't just imperius the minister and call it a day. They had to slowly imperius several key department heads and isolate their targets over months.6. For every single wizard there are 100000 muggles. Good luck.
>>739323469Posted like a nigger who never played Hogwarts Legacy. Reminder: pic related killed millions at 15 years old
>>739323469>1.The wizards are also not trained to cast Imperius like other non-lethal spells. Harry had to train his asshole off to cast that spell so Dementors could fuck off>2.Cast on higher ups and key figures.>3.Irrelevant, most higher ups in our world are garbage human beings with no willpower. They would succumb.>4.Cast on higher ups with Wizard spies, very easier to pull off since they have invisibility tools and shit.>5.It took the Death Eaters that long because they weren't exactly a huge organization, in fact they were very small.>6.>>739324319
