I can't wait for the shitshow that Suselle is gonna cause when Chapter 5 drops. It's gonna be impossible to discuss Deltarune here.
>>739459219krvsie is more kino
>>739459320Won't happen
watch as the janjans keep this shitty flame war thread up but ban good OPs like the last kris vessel one
>>739459524it's simple we have the first ~20 posts be shitposts and the rest of the thread be actual discussion
>>739459524I THINK KRESSEL SUCKS
>>739459219I trust Catti schizo premonition (also Malius), Susie will reject Noelle. they have had a grand total of 3 notable interactions thus far. One is backstory, one is skippable while the last one you have sit there with your dick in your hand, waiting for the dialogue to slowly appear, and they still end up talking about Kris and Ralsei anyway.
It's up.
I just want Berdly x Kris. It's all I need.
>>739459831Buy an add
>>739459219>yurislop OPWe're truly in ths trenches now>>739459524If this happens than we know the janny is Toby Fox himself
>>739459746Should've been a Kris x Vessel OP baka my head
>>739459831I don't care about this hack's videos, I just don't. I want a real theory from him
how about Kris x My fist
What is her major malfunction?
>>739459951>toby was the janny the entire time and only nukes threads when we get close to the truthat last i truly see
What was your reaction to Kris being a traitor from the start?
>>739459831I liked the video, very well constructed and I liked how he made the connection between glass and the prophecy. Makes a lot of sense to me. Excited to see how he takes all that goodwill and flushes it down the toilet in video 2 because he's a dumb dessknight fag
>>739460264I was a Kris Knighter and this interviews was one of my copes but now it makes more sense for Kris to be usurper knight since that's what Oersted is.
>>739459320TRVKE.
>>739460139I don't know, that's not Noelle so I assume being a random furry girl
>>739459320Anything is more kino than Suselle.
>>739460285i wouldn't go as far as to call dessknight dumb, but it certainly is the laziest of the present knight theories and can't really stand on its own when you scrutinize it, it entirely depends on carol being a red herring and all the weirdness with noelle meaning nothingadd on to the fact that if dess is the knight, that almost certainly means that carol and kris knew where she was the entire time and deliberately didn't tell noelle about it, which feels needlessly cruel
>>739459830I hope so but you know the odds aren't looking good
>>739460173Damn, he has his claws everywhere
>>739460173That's why the game is taking so long to come out
Kris x the Player will be the only canon ship.
>>739459830Catti's destiny to be a fat gag character that is wrong and exaggerates common stuff, it's over.
>>739460285>Excited to see how he takes all that goodwill and flushes it down the toilet in video 2 because he's a dumb dessknight fagGood news, you won't have to worry about that because Dess will have been officially revealed as The Knight in Chapter 5 by then
>>739460786There are some snippets of truth in between the goofiness. It's like that one meme where some guy is speaking the truth so glowies send in the schizo to delude the message. The ch4 scene was placed there to discredit her
>>739460782This. Humans x (you) is the best ship
>>739461108That's Jockington, actually. He's been more accurate than her.
>>739461567Jockington Goner theory is real?
>>739459219shipfags are gonna make me look like a sane man in comparison
>>739459219On the other hand, if Suselle being a bait and switch for another ship become canon, which would create the biggest shitstorm everywhere: krusie or kriselle?
>>739460672It's a toss up. Primo bait or genuine dogshit.I struggle to see how he could write a worse ship than Alphyne while dedicating way more screen time to it. There's no way he's that fucked in the head
>>739462209By all means, bring something to the table to discuss.
>>739460651>DessKnight is certainly is the laziest of the present knight theorieslol>it entirely depends on carol being a red herringCarol is an obviously villainous evil deer lady in a conspiracy with Kris and Asgore and inexplicably owns multiple swords.Please explain to me how her being The Knight isn't more "lazy" than it actually being Dess.>and all the weirdness with noelle meaning nothingYeah, Noelle sure is weird. Almost makes you think it's foreshadowing the game taking, like, some kind of weird route with her.>if dess is the knight, that almost certainly means that carol and kris knew where she was the entire timeDess has been missing for years but (You) and The Knight have only appeared recently, so I don't know why you would make that assumption.
>>739459830Catti is comically wrong about everything, she can says that when you're already on the Weird Route.
>>739462249This
>>739459219>original run has Susie reject Noelle for Kris and Noelle go for Kris instead>Weird route was a commentary on not waiting for Toby Fox to cook and making the worst world for your impatience or attempts to break your mold, and so you end up so twisted your own vessel rejects you
>>739459219Let’s talk about the real shit here, does anyone else find it interesting that there’s at least two other love triangle subplots (Asgore/Toriel/Sans and Pizzapants/Bratty/Nice Cream Guy) but nobody pretends to care about those? Why is that?
>>739462261>There's no way he's that fucked in the headWhy is this hard to believe? He already wrote Alphyne. Hell, didn't he even call Alphyne a "tutorial for girls who like girls"? In the anniversary stream? Just like Undertale was a test to see if he could actually develop a full game from the ground up, Alphyne was a test to see if he could write a decent lesbian relationship. The answer was a resounding "NO", but Toby seems to think otherwise, hence why we now have Noelle and Susie.
>>739460651dess is the knightshe goes missing and comes back as a masked adversary in a corrupted/brainwashed form (while her true self is trapped in the code). it's all just mother 3.
>>739459320absolute TRVTH NVKE
It's up.https://x.com/Apekweit/status/2058224485476749381/video/1
>>739462471This is the best evidence against almost every other Knight proposal. It can't be Rudy, since it wouldn't be like Mother 3, it can't be Carol, since it wouldn't be like Mother 3, it can't be Noelle, since that wouldn't be like Mother 3. That leaves us with two candidates, Dess, and Asriel
>>739462454Because they don't involve Kris, however people do care about Soriel because it vaguely involves Sans fucking his family over so people just seethe over it.
>>739462414Aye, that would do it.>>739462454Asgore is obviously the loser of the first one, and the second is a comic relief getting catfished by a guy. Hardly much to bite into.
>1225>the birth of our savior is a major plot pointWhat is Toby cooking?
>>739459320Every girl I've known has hated the idea of the shewee on an instinctual level. I bought my ex one as a joke but she did not find it very funny for some reason
>>739462348I believe there is a possibility of Chapter 5's dark world section actually being very 1/2 style like the old predictions, except of course for the obligatory Dreemurr drama.I can't see how stretching the "Chase the Knight!" plot from chapter 4 could work without getting stale really fast. It could be a gentle "calm before the storm" before the chapter 6 shit show begins.Or maybe I'm just huffing copium real hard here.
>>739462470>Alphyne a "tutorial for girls who like girls"?He called the Frisk and Alphys role-playing date that. He said tutorial over when that ended.
>>739462454IT’S BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT TEENAGERSNOBODY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHO KRIS FUCKS IF THEY WERE ALL ADULTS
>>739462249Trick question, it's Susie x Berdly.
>>739462362Could also hold true for something that happens on the weird route. Toby loves vagueposting so everything ends up having a double meaning or more
>>739462454Is it said why Nicecream Guy participated in such a mean-spirited prank with that skank Bratty
>>739462454>Asgore/Toriel/SansThat's not a love triangle, that's Sans and Toriel dating while Asgore is unable to get over his ex-wife who doesn't love him anymore. It's discussed in the context of Asgore going nuts next chapter.>Pizzapants/Bratty/Nice Cream GuyThis is even less of a love triangle, Bratty is exploiting Nice Cream Guy to catfish Pizzapants because she's a nasty bitch. They'll probably end up gay for each other but Bratty just wanted to see him suffer.
>>739462702Not true, it's because Kris is a vaguely HUMAN teenager. If Kris was a furry teen people wouldn't care.
>>739459830She's right but not in the sense that you think. See, Noelle and Susie will, as a result of the prophecy, fight. This will be tragic, as it will put the two lovers against each other. On the weird route it will be more fucked up since Noelle will have no qualms against fighting and killing Susie. But anyway, Catti Is vaguely aware that Noelle and Susie will fight, even if she doesn't know it will be unwillingly, and since she doesn't like Susie, she tells Kris to protect Noelle.
>>739462536it's not gonna bang as hard as the christmas one but wew
>>739462454I still wanna know what the deal between King and Queen is.
>>739462769He wants to fuck Burgerpants no matter what
>>739462584noelle actually is the most like mother 3, as she's the same age as kris and their closeness can be argued to mirror lucas and clausmain difference is the roles are flipped, noelle is lucas and kris is claus
>>739462857firmly grasping it
>>739462818this is unironically why Ralsei is so unpopular for shipping besides being Kris’s cocksleeve
>>739462470Alphys was original a dude. He changed it later to avoid everyone dogpiling on him because people tend to tolerate bitches acting like degenerates more. The only changes made were adding eyelashes, he did not rewrite the character from the ground up to make it a dyke ship, it was always ass. Besides, Alphyne was written as a joke. It's not integral to the plot like it is with Deltarune.
>>739463029>Alphyne was written as a joke.haha
you guys know pianpian from the sweepstakes right? 'the concert just for me?'when i was replaying ch4 to get all the stuff i missed i couldn't help but notice that a certain song kris played opened the door the knight locked in the first sanctuary curious, thathttps://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/
>>739462857>you will never sniff Noelle's buttcrackkinda brutal ngl
>>739462921It can't be Noelle because Noelle doesn't disappear for a considerable amount of time. Yes, Kris and Noelle become estranged, but neither disappears, they're still in the same class. Only Dess and Asriel have been gone for a considerable amount of time.
>>739462921>their closeness can be argued to mirror lucas and clausExcept there's ALWAYS been distance between Noelle and Kris, and Dess is obviously the one who went to the Shelter with Kris, which is the equivalent Mother 3 Event (like Chara and Asriel crossing the barrier in Undertale)
>>739459320FPBP
>>739463029My point still stands, he wrote a bad romance, what makes you think he can't write another?>But this one would be more critical to the plotSo?
>>739462990>>739462818I mean imo his interactions with Kris are less meaningful, but yes. The natural desire to see specifically furry girls date humans is just too overpowering, wether straight or gay.
>>739462657I strongly believe in reverse Undertale theory and if you buy it the Knight really not going to do much in 5 as they play Undyne’s role structurely. What I expect is that the two main bosses (Asgore and flowers) want to impress the Knight or enter their clan similar to how Papyrus wanted to be a royal guard. I think 5 will be goofier and lighthearted than 4 was.
>>739463069actual pure fucking disgust for this touhoufag obnoxious as hell vice to force cheaply written yurislop in his stories
>>739462657Damn, that's exactly what I had in mind. People expect the roaring or the whole festival to become a dark world but I just can't see it. Morale is low and the characters need a bit of a break, something to give them some hope. You can't drag on misery for four chapters straight, it loses all meaning.Ch5 is the last chance to shove in some last bit of fun before the plot starts to unravel. Ch1 is my favorite so I hope ch5 is able to capture some of its magic
>>739463184we as of yet do not know if noelle was there or not with the shelter incident considering the second batch of sweepstakes heavily implied that both she and kris needed therapy, i'm willing to bet she was there as well and just turbo repressed it
>>739463069how does a healthy young man end up in this state
>>739463407Chapter 5 will just be like Chapter 3, there will be some fun, but at the end, it will be all ripped away.
>>739463320crazy how people felt more confident trying to predict the future chapters years ago than nowanything can happen now and it's really jarring
>>739463410Either way, Dess is the one who didn't come back.
>>739463449Toby has somehow managed to write an entire half of the story while giving players so few clues that anyone could make any kind of ridiculous theory and it would hold as much weight as any other theory. Whether you think this is the mark of a genius, or a hack, is up to you.
>Nicepants>Royal Guard guys>That really gay as fuck Alarm Clock dialogue where Asgore says he was Rudy’s Santa>Probably something else I missedI’m surprised nobody points out how much of a yaoifag Toby is
>>739463568>anyone could make any kind of ridiculous theory and it would hold as much weight as any other theoryLet's not get carried away
>>739463449I am still Reverse Undertale Theory strongest soldier but that doesn’t give much for Snowdin other than double bosses (Sans and Papyrus) and a dog themed area. Which is why I'm all in on Asgore + Flowers (with Flowers being Papyrus) and cat themed chapter.
>>739463310He's perfectly capable of writing good relationships that have genuine emotions behind them, see Krusie, Kriselle, Ralsusie, ChasrielIf you're going to shove a romantic relationship at the forefront of the story then it better have sore relevance to the plot, else its just wasted screentime that could be spent on more interesting things.
OK. Repeat after me...>DELTARUNE will not become Steven 2niverse.>DELTARUNE WILL NOT BECOME STEVEN 2NIVERSE
>>739463604>Sans is blue>Papyrus is red>Gaster used to be greenWho is/was yellow?
>>739463436He was doomed from the beginning, he has a very well defined yurifag phenotype. If you know you know.
>>739463314These entire games are about human x monster relationships so that's why people always focus on them. If Kris was a goat people wouldn't be as invested in any of his ships no matter the gender.
>>739463598cause nobody here wants to bang the guys except Kris and Gaysei
>>739463645Your whole point is>He can write good things, therefore he can't write bad things Which is wrong, since he can write bad things, like Alphyne. Good does not mean perfect, Toby can make mistakes, and Suselle might simply be one of his mistakes, just like Alphyne was.
>>739463598Because these ships aren't as important as Suselle or even Alphyne are.
>>739463673he's so cute honestlyI can see why vtubers suck and ride his dick
>>739463598>Nicepants I wonder how the catfish thing with burger/pizzapants is gonna play off >lame way Burger and nicepants get together >based way Burgerpants tells nicepants to fuck right off
>>739463069Can't help but notice that big MAYBE there. Also revealing something before it happens is colossally retarded, especially when he's terrified to show anything from ch5 in fear of revealing too much.
So how old was Dess when she disappeared? A lot of portrayals put her at 17-18 and her room feels like that, but timeline wise (we have a 7 yr mark with the dragon book) it doesn't feel like that was possible
>>739463604Greenster isn’t that bad but it's also a nothing theory. Like Gaster having a green accessory is meaningless.
>>739463598I think in the 10th anniversary stream he also said he shipped Burgerpants and MTT
>>739463441>implying chapter 4 doesn't do the samethe gang has been suffering since the end of chapter 3, it's gonna be a trainwreck until the end
>>739463779>Also revealing something before it happens is colossally retardedWhat, all the Suselle in 1-4 foreshadowing wasn't good enough for you?
>>739463320Assuming that Asgore is only on the fringe of the conspiracy and him making the Flower King Dark World is some kind of desperate ploy to prove himself or escape into delusion, I think it's much more likely that Asgore clashes with The Knight when Carol realizes what he's done and wants to cut him loose because he's proven to be a liability.
>>739463407I love chapter 1 to my soul but at this point I'd be happy to get something like chapter 2 at all.>>739463441I expect that but PLEASE, let the disgrace happen after we close the fountain. I waited 3 years to listen to THE HOLY again and I didn't get that.Come on, I NEED this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFSuENBfqE>>739463568Hack because he made two extremely similar chapters for the sake of pretending the game had a constant formula and style.>>739463625Reverse UT has held up a lot better than Chess theory, but I'd be wary. Lancer's bits in chapter 1 were already pretty much a new Snowdin/Papyrus in their style, this might block us from getting that sort of stuff ever again in the game.
>>739462657I'm honestly just excited to see what the hell Asgore's corkboard will turn into
I believe in Roulx Kard final boss weird route
>>73946378115-16, same age kris/susie/noelle are nowif she disappeared 7 years ago, that would mean that kris and noelle would've been 8/9 when it happened, which fits their smaller stature we see in the flashbacks, along with their parents giving asriel and dess the ok to take them out into the bush and generally watch over them
>>739463670The SAVE points/Determination
>>739463881Well anon, I was very excited to see how Toriel's bedroom was going to be like in the dark world, and the cactus, and How To Draw Dragons, and the trash can filled with flowers, and look how things turned out.
>>739459219Western trannyfied yuri makes me want to fucking vomit
>>739463838>the foreshadowin in question: uhhh Noelle is a subby bisexual and misses her sister, Susie is desperately friendship starved so even scissoring works as long as she can be around friends lolBRAVO FOX
>>739463965>susie is into casual sexhell yeah
>>739463779>>739463965Please pray for this anon's well-being when Chapter 5 comes out, he's already overdosing on the copium
>>739463965I don't know if Toby has the self awareness to understand how demented it is to make Susie a clone of Dess
>>739463781it seems like Asriel had been gone all year at college and from what we know he's just gone off recently. Kris is going to college too soon tm and we know Noelle is sixteen. we know asriel had relations with catty and bratty so this was probably after the dess disappearance too. best guess is probably 3 - 4 years. enough time for everyone to grieve and move on, enough time for Kris and Noelle to decently grow apart. enough time for the roaring gang to get enough information to put together whatever their plan is.
>>739463965That pic makes it more likely for Toby to make Suselle canon.
>>739464068He made Ralsei a clone of Asriel, then made him have an awkward romantic ride with his brother.
>>739464120And he was based as fuck for it
>>739464054susie saying this in front of her father susie also neglects to actually ask noelle until she decides to declare to carol that she's taking her in an act of spite very romantic
>>739463965Luckily, the scene of Noelle and Susie talking about all the offscreen stuff they did gets interrupted by Dr. Magnusson complaining that he didn't get to do any cool ACT moves yet.
>>739464150>kralseioddly forgotten ship nowadays
Ralsei is going to save us from Suselle and Krusie by fucking Susie himself, trust.
>>739464096No, you don't understand, Ralsei and Asriel are clearly very different, Kris points it out(ignore the fact the literally every single person that played the game thought of Asriel the first time they saw Ralsei without the hat)!
>>739463954That was just a fluke, the Dreemurr resident is waaaaayy too big to get everything, and apparently the smoke doesn't go beyond closed doors, but if the dark world is opened in the secluded area in Asgore's basement, which is very obviously going to be the gateway to the Dark World, then it is very likely the corkboard will indeed be something in Chapter 5.And think about it, Dess's case and Asgore's involvement has been teased for so long, THIS is the time to finally clear the air
>>739462454its interesting how no one even touches the bp/nice cream guy plotline because it's not even funny to imagine the "wow he's gonna realize he's gay" joke that toby is obv gonna do, it's just depressing
>>739464162>susie saying this in front of her fatherWhile blushing and looking away>susie also neglects to actually ask noelle until she decides to declare to carol that she's taking herThey got interrupted while they were, uh, busy
>>739464162>susie also neglects to actually ask noelle until she decides to declare to carol that she's taking her in an act of spiteLiterally the most cliche "rebel falls in love with nice and proper girl" trope. It is in fact romantic. In a shit way, but romantic nonetheless.
>>739463752Alphyne is played of as a gag, much like the other dates in Undertale. It's not serious, unlike the shit in deltarune. Suselle being played straight on the normal route adds nothing to the story, it's worse than Alphyne since that at least has the benefit of the two characters having history beforehand. I simply can't buy that he would end up writing a worse ship while dedicating more screen time to it when other relationships are leagues better.
>>739463320Hold on, if reverse UT is true, what is there for chapter 6? Ruins was a very short and simple section of the game. Freakiest thing there is Flowey but otherwise it was a very pleasant walk.
>>739464120Furfags like Toby veer hard into omegaverse type territory. I respect Krusie shippers to some extent because they at least believe in equal relationships, instead of the predator and prey stereotyping.
>>739464182Remember that one artist who got big making Kralsei comics right after the new chapters and then instantly annihilated their work by making Kris a trans man
>>739464068>>739464096it's too late, the PARALLELS are already IN
>>739464313Noelle is going to play the damsel role to the end and probably climb out of the window to ride off with Susie on her motorcycle that's how fucking cliche this trash is
>>739464395>OmegaverseJFC anon, don't tread shit like that in here.At least it isn't Human Domestication Guide...
>>739464464Actually they're going to fight to the death, which is even more romantic
>>739464192At this point I'm ready to support Ralsusie as long as s*selle loses
All I ever needed to believe... was Cactus theory. I'll be fine.
>>739464464Why are you breaking the NDA, mr. dev anon?
>>739464424I think Susie finding out that both Noelle and Kris just use her as a bootleg Dess would make the most interesting story beat
>>739464494That's literally what he fucking writes, it's omegaverse shit
>>739462454The pov character (kind of) and two of the most prominent and explored characters that are going to play the most important roles, even involving the love plot as part of the prophecy (we the players know it's not about actual love, but they don't, and either way you know Toby loves to bamboozle us). Plus you just know this triangle has a fucking ridiculous bomb waiting to be dropped on it once Kris' allegiances and plans come to light/Noelle finds out the dreams aren't dreams and Susie lied to her/Weird route hits critical mass.The other two by comparison are three secondary characters that are going through the most awkward break up and really, Asgore has no chance anymore. I mean I like him, I'm just not gonna sit here and argue that it's bullshit Toriel isn't going back with him and is hitting it off with Sans. The best thing that's going to come from this is Asgore's eventual meltdown and how it affects the story.And Pizzapants/Bratty/Nice Cream Guy is bordering on just a joke subplot between tertiary characters, with just a factor of "that's actually kind of messed up, let's hope at least SOMEONE finds real love in that mess".
>>739459320Granted. It's yuri though.
>>739463838The biggest Suselle scenes are skippable. The gist from the mandatory ones is that Noelle is obsessed with her while Susie MIGHT like her. The main ship having vital scenes to the relationship be skippable in a game with only one ending would be quite strange. However it's perfectly fine if the ship is fated to crash and burn.
>>739464162and this is why the weird route is objectively superior.
>>739464283it's either>pizzapants magically turns gay for nicecream guy and they live happily ever afteror>pizzapants crashes out in a way that makes him the bad guy despite being the victim
>>739464395>equal relationships, instead of the predator and prey stereotypingYou don't get it at all
>>739464506I keep saying this but nobody believes me. Suselle will happen because Susie and Noelle will fight at the end and that would be the most cliche dogshit romantically tragic thing Toby could do. And it makes sense for both the normal and weird route.
>>739464542Completely agree but that's a fuck you to suselle and krusie at the same time and coward, yurifag Toby does NOT have the balls to do it.
>>739464182With good reason, it's abysmal dogshit. Unless it's femKris, then it's based
>>739464609deal, long as s*selle loses.
>>739464542>bootleg dess*and asriel
>>739459320>>739464530Remember, Kris is a they/them in the eyes of Toby, if we push the narrative that Krusie is a "queer"ship we might be able to trick tricky tony into making Krusie a reality.
>>739464642>Noelle in a dominant role>using a swordRight there you still differ from them
>>739464314Look, sorry for repeating myself, but the issue is that you believe Toby is infallible despite this clearly not being the case. I will not try to change your mind since I don't think it's possible. I'll simply wait for Chapter 5 to come out and let the facts speak for themselves.
>>739464547insane how you CANNOT see it from the thumbnail
>>739464542kris treats susie as an equal and that immediately makes it different from what was going on with dess and asriel, who were the super cool and/ or dependable older siblings susie acts on the same wavelength as kris, and while it can be speculated that a lot of kris' weirdness was directly inspired by dess, we also know that she and kris did not share a braincell like kris and susie do
Hold on a sec>"Love finds it's way to the girl">is represented as a Heart >Kris uses a sword >The mural of The Girl uses a sword I see Toby
>>739464609i'm cool with that
>>739464897You know who also uses a sword and is confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a girl? Noelle.
>>739464868>kris treats susie as an equalno way lol, he treats her like she's the goodest good to ever good, while seeing himself as absolute trash
>>739464616>The biggest Suselle scenes are skippableThey still happen, you just don't have to watch them if you've already played the game or you don't care.Every Light World section, including Chapter 4's, is skippable. Does that mean it's not important? They seem pretty damn important to me.
>>739463839Honestly I just think there's a connection between the Knight and the main bosses of 5. It doesn't necessarily needs to be like Papyrus where he wants to enter Undyne’s team, I just think the Knight will be peripherally involved into it.>>739463863Reverse Undertale theory doesn't mean 1 to 1 shenanigans to whatever they're paralleling, plus Lancer didn't do any puzzles like Papyrus does.
>>739464897jap text says "the girl discovers the true meaning of love" or some shit
Yo remember when Susie had that one nice interaction with Toriel so she immediately thought the world of her, acting completely different in her presence, and how that view of her ended up being shattered in ch4.And remember when Noelle was nice to Susie that one time so she immediately put Noelle on her nice list. Curious
>>739464946noelle uses an sword, her own pencil that kris is 'borrowing' and the black shard, which is unlike any other sword in the gameher silhouette is also the least fitting of the potential girls
>>739463781I don't think her and Asriel are that much older than the main game so I think she disappeared at 14 max.
>>739464897>>739464725>>739464753>>739464609>>739465036this is unfortunately countered by inner meta hints
>>739464897>Kris might have known about the prophecy since before the start of the story.>There's a non-zero chance Kris has presented as non-binary and asked people around Hometown to call them they because IT'S ACTUALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOBODY ACKNOWLEDGES KRIS IS A GIRL.I'd be so impressed if this ends up being a plot point.
>>739465036It's literally the white hood from the mantle game, that all it is
there is so much kriselle subtext in this game that i can't imagine that most of it is a coincidence
>>739464991>Lancer didn't do any puzzlesBecause that joke was transferred to Rouxls Kaard.Chapter 1 is filled with this thing of every character being a parallel to someone in UT, but only halfway and often the quirks are shuffled around and played with
>>739462857Now we just need her to show her bare feet.
>>739465058>There's a non-zero chance
>>739465106It's all weird route foreshadowing
>>739464120And he made Kris canonically cope over it, too.>>739464239Even in-universe everyone except Kris thinks they're alike.
>>739465057>heroes>not heroesglad you agree, anon
>gets completely memoryholed because he’s not a shippable underage girlpower of self-inserting fucktards
>>739465106Toby is a /co/ writer
>>739465020sans sniffed that seat later
>>739465058>Kris has presented as non-binary and asked people around Hometown to call them they because IT'S ACTUALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOBODY ACKNOWLEDGES KRIS IS A GIRL.Toby would never
>>739465127i mean sure, but weird route still hyper focuses on the weird tension between the both of them, so negligible difference imo
>>739465119I don't remember making this post
>>739465149he gets memory holed because he isn't that interesting
>>739465076okwhat's with the sword? and the flare up at the back? the white cloak doesn't have either of those as part of her silhouette
>>739464975I'm making the point that anything vital to understanding the plot and relationships needs to be a mandatory viewing. Skip it and it doesn't make sense anymore. You can skip the ch3 intro interacting with the couch, the convo between Susie and Ralsei still happens but you can only skip it on the second play through, unlike the ferris wheel scene.
>>739465234*because he’s not shippable
>>739465149Nah, my NeutralGOD hero and his secret third route will be the main topic after Chapter 7 drops. Trust the plan.
>>739464182I feel like a lot of its shipper where just goatfags that already shipped Chara/Frisk with Asriel that just wanted another goat x human fluffy ship that got drowned out once Kris was revealed to have far better interactions with other characters.
>>739465076Not at all
>>739465106There is>Very big Suselle scenes.>Very meaningful scenes of Kris making it clear that Susie is special to them and also constant scenes of Noelle thinking there's something between them.>Very numerous references to Noelle still being kind of obsessed with Kris and then Weird route confirming that it'd literally take one single wet dream for Noelle to move her crush from Susie to Kris.It's just a damn triangle, with Susie as the one component where it's hard to tell what she's feeling.
>>739465270of course gerson is shippablehis theme song is even a sea chanty
>>739464357Ruins is easier than Snowdin. It's a closed off area to the rest of the underground themed after catacombs with a heavy tree motif. It's the roots dungeon aka the shelter.
>>739465302you gotta consider they just didn't get any new ship bait scenes
>>739465149I haven't memoryholed him, he's my FUARKING hero.I just feel like his role in the story has come and gone. At most I expect that maybe once we reach up to the "Save the World starts playing" endgame stage he'll make a cameo to help, but I don't expect him to really matter from here on.
>>739465249>what's with the sword?Noelle can equip swords, we have already discussed this>and the flare up at the back?Angel wings, remember the sweepstakes blog post about Noelle making snow angels with Dess
>>739465331Toby is so Rebecca Suger brained there's no way in hell he would have anything but Suselle as terrible of a pairing as it is
>>739464424>>739464542This is truly Dess's game. Everyone wants to fuck Susie because they want to fuck Dess.
>>739465393and what would even be the toriel parallel?
>>739459219gonna be honest i don't play this game just for teenage romance
>>739465484me too but it's one of the only things we get from it nowadays
>>739465302To my Kralsei is just bonkers from Kris perspective >enter a dark world >a clone of my brother is here >he looks younger and acts kinda faggy >the demon inside of me tries to get closer to him >nowayfag.png
>>739465484I don't want to but it's shoved in my face
>>739465471Everyone wants to fuck Susie because she's clearly Toby's favorite character because it would be deemed wrong by tumblr to have the characters idolize someone who isn't butch
>>739464609FemKrisschizos winning bigly.
>>739465471(Me) included, no joke.
>>739465427This, people forget that not all characters have to be constantly relevant to the plot to be good.
>>739464897The theory that broke reddit.
during all these years I always found weird how people got so into using megalo strike back as chara's theme song despite the complete lack of a connection, but now I get whyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEXiaOHeYEU
>>739465257The context of their relationship is "Noelle likes Susie a lot and after they start hanging out together Susie kind of likes Noelle too"You can't miss this plotline when you're playing the game. You don't need to watch the Ferris Wheel scene to see this happening over the course of Chapter 2, even though the game strongly encourages you to watch it. You have a mandatory 20 minute sequence following Susie and Noelle hanging out in her house and getting closer over the course of several gameplay and cutscene sequences. It's not missable. You don't need to sit through the entire dialogue in these scenes to get the basic idea of what's happening here.
>>739465057Monsters vs non-monsters.
>>739460651>the laziest of the present knight theorieswhen "it's just asriel AGAIN haha" exists this just sounds retarded on purpose
>>739465476Gaster.
>>739465331the difference is >blatant textvs>subtext strewn throughout the game
>>739465540Thats what makes it super hot though.
>>739465484Will you still be thinking that when the unskippable, 46 minutes long suselle cutscene happens in the normal route? I wonder.
>>739465678I'd be happy with that honestly
>>739465114Yeah, Reverse Undertale theory is more thematic rhymes than characters just copying Undertale characters. Honestly if I could I would make a video on it. If 5 confirms it I might make a text document for it.
>>739465302It is funny and kind of sad that Kralsei somehow took a downturn after Kris was unambiguously shown to at least kind of like Ralsei in Chapter 4
>>739465545>I don't want to but it's shoved in my facePeople saying stuff like this really gives me that same weird vibe that I get in shonen fandoms, where the way that some people would talk about stuff such as Naruto would really have you believe that the entire story was like silly romcom shipping shit and then you actually watch the show and you realize that they literally just ignore everything that isn’t the minuscule breadcrumbs of a romance subplot
>>739465149I've seen the inconspicuous old man who is secretly a bad ass trope a million times, so forgive me if I forget the old bastard that still got it #24562
>>739463965>>739464120>Kris wants to fuck a weird doppleganger of their brother>Noelle wants to fuck a substitute with the same personality of her sisterWhat is wrong with those two weirdos?
>>739465408Kris and Ralsei did, actually. The entire "it's okay to not smile" can be seen as shipbait
>>739465773Hinata, Orihime, and Noelle are all written so shittily that it detracts from these stories
>>739465773see pic related >>739465638self-insertfags get seethingly mad at the idea that a girl isn't available to them, or they just hate gays/women in their vidya (the gay furry Homestuck JRPG)
>>739460285Anyone who claims that Dess isn't the knight is a retarded contrarian. You're ignoring both the obvious evidence, but also, more importantly, how it makes perfect sense from a storytelling perspective.
>>739465408They absolutely did
>>739465827DDI (Deeply Disturbed Individuals)
>>739465020we always knew toriel was kind of a loose bitch but noelle seems to be all smiles, could be interesting how she ends up acting in weird route though
>>739465827susie also wears asriel's clothes
>>739465827Isn't chapter 4 when Ralsei breaks down because of the prophecy the actual first time Kris actually takes the initiative being nice to Ralsei? If anything I feel Kris has had a distinct distaste for Ralsei for most of the game so far and is only now finally starting to accept him because he feels terrible about the role he's been forced into (which is definitely something Kris sympathizes with).
Kris wants to find Dess because Dess molested Kris and you never forget your first sexual encounter, he's infatuated.The they/them shit is just him coping with the trauma.
>>739465773TBF in deltarune's case, the theme of "love" is all over the game.
>>739465629The real reason Chara is associated with Megalo Strike Back is because it's the theme used in the Dreemurr Reborn fight that was super popular.https://youtu.be/786bb0vGdJMIt basically generated a bunch of fan content based on itself in infinite recursion.
>>739465149He's a trope played too straight so he ends up being shallow for this series. I still like him though.
>>739465976On one hand, I really want there to be some fucked up relationship stuff between Kris and Dess that adds a factor of obsession to Kris' suicidal plan.On the other, I watched the TADC movie ending the other day and I feel like I'm never going to trust any sort of past trauma having to do with sexuality as character motivation plotline ever again. Holy fuck was that awful, it might genuinely be the worst ending to anything ever I've ever seen.
>>739465986of course you'd be the one to know fanon chara lore lmaothat's neat I think, can't wait to listen to megalo strike back while beating the shit out of kris canonically
>>739455185Frans is technically a doomed ship in the genocide route if your a japanses woman.
>>739465976Stop leaking your game, Toby.
>>739465971Memes asides Kris' feelings on Ralsei are really weird to read and will probably only make sense when we understand the full context of who Ralsei is. Knowing Toby, there must be a simultaneous in-universe and metanarrative reason why Ralsei looks like Asriel that will retroactively make sense
>>739465986I'm starting to understand you charatranny, you've been driven bad by the endless retarded headcanons of a group of teenagers who have severed themselves from the world and reality
>>739466098What past trauma having to do with sexuality did they bring up in TADC
>>739465971Before that, if you go to Ralsei's room, when he asks you if it's okay for a Darkner like him to be his own person, Kris will cough if you try to be an asshole and tell him noKris probably felt weird and uncomfortable about the whole situation and isn't quick to make friends, but what they've been through is overcoming that and they're definitely sympathizing with each other.
Suselletrannies aren't right in the head
>>739466140why did she do it?
>>739465976People should stop acting like two kids fooling around is the end of the fucking world. Especially when the girl is the older one.
>>739465986>It basically generated a bunch of fan content based on itself in infinite recursion.Undertale by itself is already very solid but fuck, Toby hit an insane jackpot with people constantly remixing the setting over and over
>>739464897you know the SOUL is directly referenced in the cage's mural. what are (YOU) simultaneously a requirement for both the girl AND cage.
>deltatroon
>>739460782>>739461458The only acceptable outcome.
>>739466250he quite literally asked for it
Why is Toby so abusive toward Ralsei?
>>739466145Unironically I think it's because Ralsei was partly created to appeal to YouRalsei isn't trying to be like Asriel on purpose, this is just who he is and what he looks like
>>739465057dykes vs faggots
>>739466128Frans is seen as that everywhere that ships it but it's kind of like a fanon doomed ship? It's not actually one in canon but they do make AUs simply to make it into one like Flowerfell.
>>739464897FEMALE KRIS IS REAL
>>739466254she wasn't going to take no for an answer though
>>739466167Ok so obviously big fucking spoiler: Jax's whole deal for why he's such an asshole is that he came out as trans to his mother during an argument, then pushed her and thought he had seriously hurt her/killed her and ran away.He gets into the circus, befriended Ribbit and Kaufmo, Ribbit obviously wanted to fuck him so she got him in her room and they told each other their past backgrounds, then Jax became hyperparanoid of her even though she was nothing but supporting and understanding, started to avoid her, moved from avoiding her to warning the others about her, ended up causing her abstraction.That's right, when Jax said people about to abstract become worse or how he's just going through the same thing everyone else had done, he was just lying his ass out. He caused everything, and the one single redeeming quality he's supposed to have is because it's all because he's trans and in the closet about it.
>>739466283No, (you) are only a requirement for the cage, which is why Kris is the cage. We also know he's not The Girl BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING BOY
>>739465638They have had two(2) meaningful interactions thus far, one of which Noelle doesn't even think happened, while the other they spend most of it talking about Kris and Ralsei. Susie doesn't even mention her once in ch3, they're acquaintances at best. There is not enough build up for a Suselle conformation in ch5, there is simply nothing there to justify it, but it is enough to set up a rejection. Even if you avoid their interactions as much as possible.
>>739466164That video is 10 years old schizo-kun. They aren't teenagers anymore. Although it makes sense you hate fun.
>>739466374>>739464897Wrong. That part of the prophecy hasn't happened, yet. In the normal route, Kris will be forced to give the soul up to Susie to save her in some context, despite being in the dark world, which will cause him to become a darkner temporarily. In the weird route, the soul will hop from Kris to Noelle so that Noelle can kill the knight.
>>739466451Laaaaame and predictable.
>>739466392>jax is transseem to recall that community fucking hated him, look forward to the sudden change of tune there
>anti-human schizo entered the thread and is having meltdowns over Chara and FemKris again
>>739466335I think Ralsei is *literally* an Undertale OC based on UT Asriel, made by someone who knows Undertale exists in-lore in Deltarune's world. Someone who knows the player would recognize his appearance since the beginning.
>>739465638Anon, the people here are coping deeply, there is no point in attempting to make them realize the truth. Chapter 5 is gonna come out soon, just wait until then, they'll see the light when it comes, even of they don't want to.
>>739466491As opposed to, "Kris is a girl who was pretending to be a faggot to confuse a hypothetical third party observer about the nature of the prophecy for no reason", which is gay and stupid.
>>739466393>BECAUSE SHE’S A FUCKING GIRLTrue!
>>739466145>in-universe dess made a plushie that looks like asrieland in the end, ralsei is just himselfwhy he is the helper fairy of the game i have no clue>and metanarrative reasongaster made him look and act like how many fans wanted asriel to be like in order to get hype for his story, the actual adult asriel will be nothing like ralsei
>>739465058>There's a non-zero chance Kris has presented as non-binary and asked people around Hometown to call them they because IT'S ACTUALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOBODY ACKNOWLEDGES KRIS IS A GIRL.kris literally opens a dark fountain in front of (YOU) there is no way that little shit is smart enough to consider hiding their gender for potentially YEARS to avoid possible suspicion from the player
>>739466568Toby is so enamored with this dynamic of omega useless pathetic feminine damsel paired with alpha dominant masculine savior. Going by Alphys and Undyne you already know how his brain works and that it's going to happen, but that doesn't mean that it isn't awful.
>>739466504it's funny, Jax was extremely chud-coded early on, I thought Zooble or Pomni were going to be the obligatory trans allegory instead
>>739466604Gaster is bullshit. The real reason that Ralsei isn't Asriel is because Ralsei is based on Kris's childhood perception of his brother, rather than his actual character. He mistook kindness and patience for weakness and submission, and has subsequently come to understand and be ashamed of his previous judgements.
>>739466707Trans and Chud are Yin and Yang.
>>739466126I do hope Toby makes it ascended fanon, yeah. It's a good song.>>739466281I don't think even Toby expected all the AUtism Undertale would generate but it's funny he ended up approving it.
>>739466650Is that the same ruskie that made the "Susie will nuke hometown" theory? If so, funny.
>>739466568>>739466676You're both faggots and wrong
>>739465986Holy shit the memories came back like a fucking truck.
>>739466504I've seen a few twitter posts of people changing their tune but it's an infinitesimal minority, the vast majority of what I've seen is people that hate him celebrating that he dies like 10 minutes into the episode and it's a nonstop humiliation for him, people that are fucking mad that the entire episode is about him and everything else gets thrown into the last 10 minutes and rushed out the door, and then the rest of people who'd have cared about the trans plotline being INCANDESCENTLY MAD that Jax's whole story is being raised by a single mom > becoming trans > physically hurting his mom > bullying every single girl he meets from there > driving two people to suicide > committing suicide himself.
>>739466789You will be apologizing in a few months.
>>739465879>You're ignoring both the obvious evidenceThere is no evidence>but also, more importantly, how it makes perfect sense from a storytelling perspective.It literally does not make sense from a storytelling objective. If Dess is the Knight no character has good motivation to do anything they're doing.
>>739466568I've accepted suselle is going to happen, as lame as it is. Maybe Chapter 5 will change my thoughts on suselle though, so who knows. The main problem with them right now is how dry they are together.
>>739464897I think its interesting hoe in the trivia game, the question about smashing fighters each answer also seems to reference a character from your party in a tounge and cheek way. I found it interesting how sword magician, who is kris's favorite, is female. Really makes you think...
>>739466829You're a tranny aren't you?
>>739466826I was expecting the TADC ending to be a let down, but Goose obliterated my expectations here.I do wonder if having the ending leak was for the best instead of this shit show happening in real time on film theaters
>>739466826>Jax's whole story is being raised by a single mom > becoming trans > physically hurting his mom > bullying every single girl he meets from there > driving two people to suicide > committing suicide himselfCant make this shit up.
>>739466923The sword magician is Asriel’s favorite actually.
>>739466947It is funny that you say that, since your behavior is quite tranny-like. Trannies recoil at the truth, they run away from it, just like you're doing.
>>739466884>The knight is a deer and conspicuously feminine>Wields a baseball bat>Has Fealty over Kris, and Carol is implied to be in on their plotting>Dess is a conspicuously absent deer girl who was in some way "lost in the dark">The knight's theme is mostly just a remix of Lost GirlEither it's Dess or a retarded red herring, and contrary to how some people describe Toby's writing, he never does pointless subversion.>If Dess is the Knight no character has good motivation to do anything they're doing."I need to help my childhood friend who got turned into a shadow demon because she's my friend and it was my fault"
>>739466582Hey it's so unconventional that it would work.
>>739459219that's why I haven't bought it yetI'm waiting to see if it's full of gay shit or notthat and I refuse to give money to a faglord who hasn't even finished the game yetyou people are rewarding sandbagging and give queers like that no incentive to finish their work and instead drag it out
>>739467102No, it would be twisting the script into a knot just to facilitate tranny shit having plot relevance.
>>739466368>but they do make AUs simply to make it into one like Flowerfell.Even though the genocide route is right there?
>>739466914>The main problem with them right now is how dry they are together.My biggest problem of all (apart from how dry they are, I swear Susie loses 90% of her energy when she talks to Noelle) is that the scene in the closet when Susie finds Kris holding the guitar pissed me off.Susie hears MK and Snowy say the slightest negative thing about Kris and straight up attacks them and scares them off.Susie sits there for 5 minutes listening to Noelle diss Kris and try to say she doesn't care about Kris in the slightest, gets up and goes to the closet to find Kris in there having heard all of it, and she... doesn't fucking care and instead berates Kris for making noise.It's such a blatant OOC moment that relies on breaking the friendship between Susie and Kris for an instant with an uncommonly hurtful reaction just so Susie doesn't instantly break her chemistry (or lack of it) with Noelle instead.
>>739467010>>739466826>>739466991pretty much goose writing from experienceI just hope tobias manages to deliver but with DR having nearly a decade of hype on top of it I doubt it will be able to reach the expectations
Kris shouldn't be a girl because it ruins the group dynamic and reduces the cast to a girls' club + token gay friend
>>739467161No, it would make the same TRANNIES mad by confirming Kris as a girl rather than some non binary bullshit. It would make SOUL x Kris people like me happy.
>>739467201He's just going to mimic the trash he's seen in Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Owl House, and Hazbin Hotel
>>739466826intriguing that gooseworx would write something like that despite also being a trans person, seems a little...
>>739467201I've got more hopes on Deltarune because Toby has already proven himself once with Undertale, but ngl, TADC trainwrecking THIS hard at the finish line after episode 8 being really fucking good has made me nervous.
>>739467245>It would make SOUL x Kris people like me happy.Another reason not to do it, you're fucking retarded and ignoring that the main narrative thrust of the game is the player and player character having diametrically opposite values and goals.
>>739467245Don't mind him, it's just a schizo that calls anyone who enjoys female humans trannies, or just a tranny when he wants to imply it's all one guy.
>>739467263Trannies have an odd habit of believing that every evil person throughout history was just repressing
>>739467291You are so simple minded it hurts. YOU ARE A FOOL, there's the weird route where I can turn this edgy girl to my side and brainwash her into obedience. It would be wonderful!
>>739467265I have faith, as you said, Undertail is there, and for as much shit that that game has plot wise, the ending is not a complete car crash, we have to assume that Toby has had more than enough time to think this game through, the fucking ENDING was the first thing he dreamt.
>>739467263Yeah, you'd think that character trajectory would be written by chudiest of chuds ever, because it's downright stereotypical in how awful of a person it makes him. It also completely erases all nuance and redeeming factors he had, his previous dialogues hinted that the abstractions were a vicious cycle, and then it turns out that he caused all of them.
>>739467164They do both. Both genocideslop where Frisk is forced to kill Sans and drama AUs like Flowerfell. It's a big market.
>>739467307I don't get why he is so against it. Like, how does that affect him?
personally i don't believe in girlkris because disregarding ALL the gender autism... it just wouldn't be a good twist. we're already half way through the game and the "evidence" is super minimal mean toby would like have to spend most of chapter 5 just blitzing through setting up kris being a viable girl candidate to more than 5 autists on 4chan which considering everything else toby has set up sounds like a gigantic cluster fuck. and beyond that what WOULD kris being the girl add beyond pissing off twitter i mean? "oh well it would make susie feel left out realizing that she was never meant to be the girl" that already applies to noelle being the OG girl which also has a lot more going for it currently>"oh it would it would have some themes about losing control of you're body"that's already a key part of kris' character not sure how kris having a pussy would improve it>"i-it'd make femkris canon"nothing stopping you from just headcanoning kris as a girl without the theory and beyond that if toby is too much of a pussy to remotely elaborate on any of the humans genitals what makes you think he'd make them critical to the plot?
>>739467442I don't care, she is a girl.
>>739467362The weird route is (you) x Noelle. The joke is that it's a parody of a dating sim, where you force Kris to pursue a girl he otherwise wouldn't (IE, an alternate "route", treating his life like a video game) against his will, purely for your own gratification.
>>739467442You're forgetting a thing, Kris right now is extremely hard-slotted into the role of the Hero of the prophecy. If it were to turn out Kris is actually the Girl, it wouldn't just mean Susie and Noelle were never actually part of it, it'd also mean that there's actually one more wild card character to be introduced that could shake the whole thing up.Reintroducing: "Dess was also an adopted human" theory.
>>739467425I kinda stopped trying to understand the anti-human schizo. It's just a troll that doesn't like Undertale and probably Deltarune. I think he's trying to imitate a /pol/tard to larp as "based" by calling everyone that doesn't have his interpretations trannies and wasting people's time in bait arguments (as he believes everyone is his evil nemesis samefagging)
>>739467442It wouldn't even piss off twitter. Twitter troons just want everyone to be a "girl", they don't actually care if it's MTF or transformed into a physical girl or if they're revealed to have been a girl the whole time.Another reason it would be retarded is that it would mean that the entire party is girls other than Ralsei
>>739467442>what WOULD kris being the girl add beyond pissing off twitter i mean?it would piss off every krusie and kriselle fag here by turning their favorite ships into yuri retroactively
>>739467552Dess human is such a shit theory it retroactively ruins Undertale's story because Asgore would've been too much of a coward to take her soul
>>739467442I hope Kris is female
>>739467535You are seeing on a surface level, that's your problem. That's not the twist, the twist is corrupting Kris by destroying Noelle's innocence and turning her into a weapon. It's why Kris can't bear the SOUL actively fucking her over each time she tries to fix things and goes berserker on you after you reach the point of no return.
>>739466923>sword magician>kris's favoritecertified deltarune fan moment
>>739467425>>739467591The reason I insult you is because you spam your retarded dogshit in every thread, and also have an infinitesimal chance of actually making the story worse.
>>739467606Twitter can't decide if Kris is they/them or evil straight white male caricature
>>739467591Honestly I'm not even surprised. I don't think it's a troll either, he is actually that autistic.
>>739467623I mean, a big point of Undertale is that Asgore was indeed a big coward.
>>739467442I just want it to be real to piss the schizo in particular for being such a sperg about it.
>>739467608Or perhaps Suselle is just a dogshit pairing for other reasons
>Everyone forgets that Carol is a massive fucking weeb that sliced a guys briefcase in half with her KATANA that she takes to WORK
what if near the end of chapter 7 kris turned to the rest of the fun gang tears in their eyes and said "i'm not non-binary BUT I'M THE GIRL" and then the knight took of her helmet revealing noelle who says "and i'm not lesbian BUT I'M LESBIAN FOR YOU" and then they have hot lesbian sex while gaster does a sick ass backflip and toriel hung herself?
>>739467660I forgor its been a while
>>739467717I don't know. Hating Undertale and Chara, being both a Gaster denier and Vessel denier feels just like a troll. Plus complaining about avatarfagging while using signatures himself. If not a troll then he's just a really dumb hypocritical autist.
>>739467648The point of desensitizing Noelle to violence is to "beat the game" (IE, beat the knight, IE kill her sister) in an "unintended" way, in the same way Noelle herself plays video games "wrong". Kris is just baggage, an interface we have to put up with, and probably not indefinitely. The end of the weird route will most likely be the soul managing to escape Kris (breaking out of the cage) and moving to Noelle, then ditching her to deal with the consequences of our bad influence after we "win".
What will be the purpose of the TwistedSword considering it will be most likely the final reward for getting all the ShadowCrystals? >The definite weapon for Kris/Noelle >A weapon necesary to finish off an important enemy/boss >just a joke weapon because "haha, you really got all the crystals for this piece of shit weapon?"
>>739467804She's deadly serious about everything, including the santa animatronics
>>739467814Game of the Century.
>>739467836Oh you would be surprised by the number of people who don't know the concept of self awareness here.
>>739467408>It's a big market.Obviously, Japanses woman especaily young teenage girls eat this shit up like crack.
>>739467814That would be INCREDIBLY funny, which is why it wont happen.
>>739467867I think the twisted sword will look more like the fierce deity's sword
Reminder that Kris is 5'0, that's a girl's height.
>>739467552we already have the vessel as the cage alternate. we don't need schizo theories to justify other schizo theories this isn't fnaf
>>739467814>and toriel hung herself?Kino, fuck Toriel.
>>739467804vs carol will be firehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huq7duBC-m4
>>739467975Not canon. What is canon is that he's insecure about his height, which is something many guys are and almost no girls are.
>>739467841Kris isn't baggage, she is mine! In body and well SOUL, although the SOUL is me.
What if the ultimate darkest horse ship happens?
>>739467867Option 2 is more likley.
>>739467906I guess. There's also the times he pretends he doesn't exist and it's several people hating on his boogeyman. But maybe I am underestimating people's stupidity.
>>739467990The vessel is not diegetic. Even if it WERE, the whole point of it would be, according to YOU, that it would be more compliant with us, meaning that it's not a CAGE. We know that Kris is the cage SPECIFICALLY because he does his best to limit our autonomy!
>>739467975god forbid manlets exist
>>739467971Nah, everyone describes the weapon is as fucked up looking
>>739468094That's Susie x Berdly.
>>739468094That's not how people like Toby think, femme people can't be independent but masc people can
>>739467867>seam will take the twisted sword and kill everyoneTHERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A NICE [Chaos Chaos] EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE
>>739468094Everyshipper loses their minds.
>>739468152Short men do exist but I have never heard of a teenage male in fiction being this short. Nah she is definitely a girl. She is the loli of the gang. Susie is tall, Noelle is tall, Kris is short, that would make sense.
>>739468094Berdly x Noelle will cause the most seething, i'm rooting for it
>>739468143>The vessel is not diegeticyou literally make it right before the survey explicitly gets hijacked its files still exist in the game much like the thrash machine did before we saw it again. and seeing as you're a malekrisfag why would you go against on of the big things that shoots down the femkris "theory"
what if chapter 5 was me exploring the dark world between muffet's cheeks?
>>739468313I'm afraid that Muffet won't be coming to Deltarune, since she is just a guest character. Shame because I liked her too.
>>739467442FemKris has substantially more evidence than other bullshit the fanbase believes. They just ignore it because it offends them.
>>739468094>the ultimate darkest horse shipthat would be susie x berdly
where da update at???
The only proof I ever needed that Kris was male was that he and Asriel shared a room growing.All this schizo babble means nothing next to this fact.
>>739468379>just a guest character
>>739468306The point of the intro is to make it very fucking clear that Kris is not an avatar. That's it.>why would you go against on of the big things that shoots down the femkris "theory"How would there being some braindead corpse in a capsule somewhere prove Kris isn't a girl? The actual way we can tell is that he acts like a boy, lives like a boy, is treated like a boy, and dresses like a boy, even in an imaginary space where his outfit is a manifestation of his personality.
>>739468393>FemKris has substantially more evidencei have literally seen you use that cookie and wife joke as "proof" multiple times. this fanbase being run by retards doesn't suddenly mean you got shit
I find it funny that we're given so little information that an obvious BS theory like human Dess is possible. Toby is so damn stingy with his storytelling.
>>739468465Siblings usually share the room in their childhood, no?
>>739468490We don't talk about that abomination.>>739468518It does help with the theory of Kris being a girl though.
>>739468602>We don't talk about that abomination.But Toby did! In the egg room! Before both Muffet AND Glyde being anywhere in the game!
>>739468532Not male and female siblings no. Especially in high school
>>739468532not if they're opposite genders no lol, especially as old as they were
Genderbabble ignored, I want my wife Noelle to turn Hometown into a snowglobe, turn that bitch Kris into a popsicle, and then become the main character of Chapter 6-7
>>739468665>>739468669Didn't Asriel go to college by the time Kris started going to high school?
>>739468465It's fine. It's also a small house, so you have to make do.
>>739468687>Genderbabble ignored>but wants noelle to be his player character'telly
Ignore all the gender fuckery.Goner Jockington yes or no.
>>739468851yesit's so obvious
jockington is lucifer
I need my vessel, the one I made for my own SOUL.
Who or what animates these things if they aren't really alive?
>>739468910Determination
>>739468731Probably about the same time, which would mean a 3-5 year gap. This is consistent with Kris and Noelle being old enough to play with their older siblings in something closer than a babysitting capacity.
>>739468851tangential but goner onionsan is the ONLY way I can forgive last year's blueballor him just showing up again to talk
>If Kris is a girl she watched her big brother jerking off at night multiple timesI mean weird but ok
>>739468746The player character is not the player. We don't want to be Noelle, we want to be inside her. Literally. Like in her pussy.
>>739468532i mean there's also kris wearing exclusively boys clothes when toriel is shown to be extremely traditionalist >inb4 kris wears hand me down from asriellet me put it like this. imagine a moderately conservative family decides to adopt a boy and have him sleep with their older daughter nothing too weird yet. now imagine said parents making their son wear hand me down their clothes of his femmine sister even when going to church despite having the money to buy new clothes. at no point do the parent really acknowledge their adopted kid is a boy even when we does shit like cum on the floor. does that not sound mental as fuck
>>739468910A Gaster did it
>>739468980>jerking offHe was busy scoring bitches. Asriel is popular.
>>739468956Goner Onionsan would be unironically the most horrifying thing the game has thrown so far.
>>739468910The collective fears, anxieties, and regrets of the people of hometown.
>>739468910The opposite of hope
>>739469000Or maybe Toriel is retarded and can't tell a human girl from a boy.
>>739468998alright Jax, I get it, you're closeted and that's fine
>>739469000yeah but toriel is also a drunken slag that shags the convenience store man
>>739469000Monsters are traditionalist but within the shitlib framework. They fully accept homosexuality, for example. The only thing Toriel dislikes is kissing before marriage.
>>739468731its implied that asriel has only recently gone to college with toriel talking about how kris will also be ready to go soon. meaning that him and asriel are likely only a year or two apart the same applying to dess and noelle
>>739469026That gives him more reasons to jerk off at night thinking and sexting the bitches
>>739469065>monster genitals are so alien that despite being raise since birth toriel is incapable of telling which gender kris ismonsterfuckerbros....
>>739469089Who the fuck is jax
>>739469138That's... not how male biology works.
>>739469169JAX DEEZ NUTSHAGOTTEM
>>739467263I feel like Gooseworx should get a fucking wellness check considering what the story ended up coming to.
>>739469157She even reads books about humans. She is trying to learn, understand her please.
>>739469000>theres a non-zero chance that if asriel was a girl kris would be forced to dress like a femboykino...
>>739469000TOCAAKThe Coffin of Asriel and Kris
>>739469272You already got Ralsei as a femboy, don't push your luck.
>>739466826>write trans rep>entire backstory is just them being a complete piece of shit of kills himselfwhat the actual fuck did the shows trans creator mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHZo1s5saQ
>>739469385Hey at least the creator made a perfect depiction of the average troon.
>>739469385He's meant to be a cautionary tale. If you repress your dysmorphia and don't transition, you'll be a huge asshole and commit suicide.
>>739469104toriel doesn't say soon, she just says 'one day you will be going to college as well'which makes sense, because kris is only 16 at the oldest and not about to go to college the next year
>>739462990Ralsei belongs on kris cock
>>739469416She is so cool...
>>739459219It was already impossible. Fuck off to /vg/.
>>739469065This doesn't work when there's a "taking care of human" book at the librabary.
>>739469530No if anything it further proves my point. She has no idea what she is dealing with.
You are once again thinking of the giant bloodstain in Kris' room that Toriel apparently either hasn't noticed or doesn't think about.
>>739463069The image that broke /v/
>>739469621I bet on kris cutting himself more than period blood
>>739469587you don't think there's a human biology book, or even a human biology section in the previously mentioned in the book with pictures? do you REALLY think that?
>>739469621That's just her period. She read in a book that it's normal.
>>739469621And Susie off-handedly knowing the best way to clean it up
>>739469621definitely option B, Toriel is placidly waiting for Kris to unfuck his life on his own
>>739469663I mean, that should have been fucking obvious to anyone paying attention to the games
>>739469065>>739469094does toriel just not have a fucking vigina? because that's the only way she wouldn't be able to tell if kris was a man or woman
>thread devolves into people arguing if toriel is actually retarded KEK
>>739469727>does toriel just not have a fucking vigina?Maybe not
>>739469727For some animals it's hard to tell. e.g., cats. You *really* have to get in there to notice.
>>739469675What if humans are agender in this universe, humans have never been named with a he or a she, always a they.
>>739469675As far as we know Kris is the only human and the monsters don't seem to be the brightest. So far there's only this book confirmed and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the one and only concerning humans.
>>739469769Well deserved. I hate that whore after Chapter 4.
>>739469769>asriel gets soul and crosses the barrier, soul tries to take control and almost fucks up everything>"Well, if Asgore REALLY cared he should have tried doing that thing that failed again instead of waiting for all souls">Omega Flowey is evidence 1 to 6 souls only creates an unstable monster that may loose control at any point>Asriel GoHD is proof that 7 human souls is the ideal number for godhoodSo yeah, Toriel is retarded, Asgore was taking the best course of action in WAITing.
>>739469727Toriel has a fat cock and musty balls
>>739469828there are more, there's a book in the dreemurr house about human and monster relations (by gerson), the book on human souls, and the how to raise human book susie also seems to understand that she saw the soul in ch4 on sight so clearly she knows humans are supposed to have thempresumably hometown is just in an area with a low to nonexistent human population and the others are just elsewhere
For all we know monsters all have cloacas. They don't know what a dick is.
>>739469898this is the future liberals want
>>739469958Nothing about human biology, got it. One book confirmed by having been written by a senile old man whose contact with humans was fighting them in the war. BIASED BIASED BIASED
>>739469896Also, she says Asgore should have done that but didn't actually do it herself.
>>739469948In all honesty, I gave up Kriselle and I'm not even talking about the prospects of it happening or not.Noelle is a cunt who throws all her friends under the bus for the sake of chasing a girl she barely knows. Kris is a two faced piece of shit. They're both terrible and I want nothing with them anymore, I just want my vessel back.
>>739470117>I just want my vessel back.This is the way.
>>739470035She was attempting to criticize him by saying he was just stalling instead of taking action and responsibility, but she is still retarded. Or maybe Toby just didn't notice the hole in his lore, who knows.
>>739469948I don't even ship Kris with anyone I just fucking hate Suselle
>>739470196Based Carol
>>739470117>Noelle is a cunt who throws all her friends under the bus for the sake of chasing a girl she barely knowsconveniently ignoring that Kris has been avoiding any degree of intimacy with her for years and that she's been nothing but nice to Berdly 99.9% of the time
>>739470280She almost choked him to death, the psycho bitch. She was even enjoying it.
>>739470280Yeah, she was nice to Berdly and instantly ditched him when Susie talked to her, Berdly being into Susie or not thats a bitch move.
>>739470143>>739470117There is no "vessel". Kris is your cage. You can put up with it, or screw with him on purpose and break Noelle into a more compliant host. Those are your options.
>>739470390NO, I made my vessel and I better have it.
some people unironically want one of the characters to be 2015-era Fanon Chara and they’re too SCARED to admit it
Female Kris makes Noelle abuse hotter for me
>>739470350listen can you blame hershe only got to be berdly's associate in the first place by being incapable of saying no
>>739470280Kris is understandable, Berdly is actually nice to her when they're alone and Catti straight up never did anything wrong and genuinely cares about her.Kris and Berdly (and also Ralsei) were all working their asses off to save her from Queen, but of course Noelle is exclusively glad Susie showed up to save her, and was exclusively worried about Susie getting hurt despite them all almost getting crushed to death. But of course, you memory holed this because we always memory hole the previous chapters once the new ones come out.
>>739470471I unironically want all of the chapters to be 2018-2024 era fanon chapters and I'm PROUD to admit it
>>739470471the people who were expecting "Chris vs Sans" after Chapter 1 didn't just vanish... they walk among us still, the freaks
>>739470483something something lesbian abuse statistics asides from that, i find the two of them get a lot more crossover art than krusie does for whatever reason
now I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but aren’t they literally keeping Noelle in the dark (lol) and letting her believe all the shit in Chapter 2 was just some silly dream
>>739466392>THIS is what Glitch wanted to put in theaters around the world to give indie animation exposure.>Just turns out to be a different flavor of shit from the rest of the slop put in theaters.>The fucking Hues did a service here by killing two birds with one stone:>Save a lot of moviegoers' money from watching that shit, and reinforcing why Toby Fox is never going to give them their translation before Deltarune's done.
>>739470489People will excuse anything if it's done by a lesbian. It's that simple.
>>739467608I'm fine with kriselle and krusie being gay.I actually just hate Suselle.
>>739470653yes, the only reason we really have for it is that susie seems to believe that the dark worlds are her and kris' thing and doesn't want anyone else butting in until ch4, where other people getting hurt also becomes a concernsusie keeps re-enforcing that ch2 was just a dream to noelle in her house, which may cause some conflict later on
>>739470280Something I don't understand is the narrative that Kris has been avoiding Noelle since Dess' disappearance, but then in chapter 4 we learn that Kris has actually still been going to her house regularly all those years. Even if Kris has been despondent, Noelle still should realize Kris is just traumatized and not hating on her, right? It's not like Kris just bailed out of her life.
>>739470653I feel like that plot point might have flowed better back when the characters were still human in the light world and only turned into monsters in the dark world
>>739470280She's not actually friends with Berdly just pressured to be friends with him. She did throw Catti under the bus.
>>739470874>still been going to her house regularly all those yearswhere was that implied
>>739470489>Catti straight up never did anything wrong and genuinely cares about her.Catti is just yet another character the story shits on so Toby can remind us how great Susie is
>>739470874i think the big issue is that kris cut himself off from her emotionally, the two of them still are on good terms and interact fairly regularly, but it's nowhere close to what they were when they were kids and noelle doesn't seem to understand whyhttps://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/i think it being trauma over what happened to dess is the most likely option, but i think noelle also has some unresolved trauma from that as well that kris may be on eggshells trying to not cause a flare up
>>739470985When they talk about Kris going with her to do homework every weekend and how that's in part why Kris is the third best student at class.
>>739470952she is friends with berdly, but it was moreso something the two of them were forced into rather than it naturally occurring iirc noelle even says that berdly is a lot nicer to her in private, and berdly certainly seems to consider her a friend
>>739470997I'll be forever mad over how this piece of a shit brought back Monster Kid only so that he could insult Susie and Kris have a melty about it, because everything has to be about how amazing and misunderstood she is.
>>739459320
>>739470985nta but noelle mentions kris helping her break into her own room in ch4, along with having homework prepared for him in ch1regularly might not be the right word but the two did still see each other often enough
>>739471043There's no such thing as completely platonic boy and girl friends
FATti is a PITIFUL little (big) GAGSHIT character
>>739470997>>739470952Are you saying this only because Noelle hasn't actively done anything with Catti on-screen?
>>739471006maybe she just observed Kris in class and prepares shit for them in case they actually ever say yes. every other moment says that they haven't hung out that much at all.
>>739471089You are in denial if you think so.
Honestly my main problem with Suselle is that way before they even spend any time together or even get a chance to know each other, they're already acting desperate to get the other to like them and getting all flustered and shit.It's just the typical yuri-writer's biased writing of "two lesbians exist within the same universe, so there's just a magnet that's pulling them together no matter their actual history".
I miss Toby's biweekly vagueposting so much, it's like he's giving us the cold shoulder.
>>739471134>implying Toby is not writing the most horrible yuri romance of all time to see how shit of a taste his audience has4D chess move from the master...
>>739471134Does attraction need to be logicalI get the feeling you wouldn't mind this at all if it were happening in a straight relationship
>>739471145no need to thank me gringo
>>739471125That guy is correct. Such a thing is only possible before puberty. Afterwards the possibility of sex always lies in the back of the mind.
>>739471134There's no evidence that Susie is a lesbian.
>>739467176How was noelle dissing kris? She was just saying that they aren't teally all that close
>>739471208_I_ personally would.I would hate it even more, in fact.t. FF8 fan.
>>739471145He's just waiting for June's Nintendo direct, relax.
>>739471089I made it work cause I don’t date outside my race
>>739469530You might actually be on to something.What if the book just always referred to the child as a "they" because it's meant to be for parents of boys, girls, and multiple children, so the author just uses "they" instead of writing "he or she" every single time.That way, maybe Toriel and Asgore just assumed that's how you refer to humans, and everyone else just followed along.
>>739471208No, I would mind, because I generally don't like love stories that feel TOO convenient. There are times when you can tell from the very first time two characters meet each other that the author plans to ship them off, and if you can tell from the very first instant in a way that seems OOC (who the fuck else have you seen Susie get flustered around?) then it's biased writing.
>>739471274I don't wanna wait anymore!
what if muffet's dark world form was a string bikini made out of her own web haha
>>739471134Because one is a butch and one is femme so that means that they must be together by tumblr rules
>>739471208OK but at least make it more engaging just being based around a fucking penvil
>>739471226Not unless you see that person as nothing more than a brother or sister of some kind.
>>739471134they have a (brief) history spelled out in chapter 1 and 2 and 4(?)
>>739471286this is one of the late stage ch2 theoriesthere is no evidence for or against it at present
alright I'm out of ideas alreadyI just wanna spam muffet for a bit
>>739471208You would hate Noelle if it was a straight relationship
>>739471262Noelle clearly liked Kris' pranks and misses spending time with Kris, but when Susie asks about it and Noelle thinks she's giving her the impression that she's in love with Kris, she quickly changes into saying she didn't like it and doesn't miss Kris. While Kris is in the closet, listening.
>>739471306FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK
>>739471305Chapter 7 will unironically drop in 2032 at this rate, do you really want to get raped by time that badly? Just relax and WAIT.
>>739471134>It's just the typical yuri-writer's biased writing of "two lesbians exist within the same universe, so there's just a magnet that's pulling them togetherThis applies to every couple in every story>no matter their actual history".The writer is the one who made their history
>>739471403yes, fuck the spuder
>>739471373>No you don't get it.>She picked up her PENCIL dude.>That's a total game changer, it makes sense that Susie loses all spunk and attitude around her now and stumbles over her words.
>>739471380AUGH....OUGHHHH
>>739471416Oh wise anon teach me your ways
>>739471398>she quickly changes into saying she didn't like itShe never said this. In fact, when Susie asks her directly on the matter, she first looks sad and then says she doesn't remember because she was a kid (obvious lie).
>>739471365You live in an asexual fantasy.
>>739471037That's what I'm talking about
>>739471441she does that to human men
>>739471429HOLY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTPLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>739471419>>739471301Not to mention people complain constantly about terribly written love interests and terribly written romance stories. Only a retarded fucking tranny would make excuses for this writing.
>>739471473
>>739471461I'm just waiting for Toby to shit the bed so hard it becomes socially acceptable to shit on Deltarune
>>739471419This legit just screams "friendship starved female barney" no matter how you look at it, only a yurifag would say "LESBIANS".
>>739471473FUCK TOBY FOR NOT ALLOWING THIS SEX DEMON IN DELTARUNE.
alright ENOUGHyou anons are too horny
>>739471429Toby owns characters doesn't he? So there should be no porblems with a small cameo at least.
>>739471460I'm not asexual.
Remember that time Noelle listened to Susie threaten to murder Kris and describes herself as sick to her stomach just from how hard the threats were and how damn scared she was getting for Kris and then she just fell for Susie?
>>739471530meanwhile the literal sex demon is in...
>>739471432>"They don't even KNOW EACH OTHER there's not even a REASON for them to like each other">here's the game explaining how they know each other and why they might like each other>"That DOESN'T COUNT because I DON'T LIKE IT"
WAIT status? I'm at my limit.How are you holding up, deltachads?
>>739471505Same
>>739471494>retarded>tranny
>>739471550Boooooooh, I want more Muffet. I need to apologize to Muffet for killing a spider.>>739471593I won't need to wait for the terrible ending awaiting us at the end of Deltarune. I'm going to hunt down TOBY. He must PAY.
>>739471550Thanks for helping this thread reach bump limit. Looks like we were slowing down near the end.
>>739471617I just said the r-slur that's so hecking problematic
>>739471608Im waiting for several different games at the same time so the [WAIT] pressure is evenly distibuted.
Why are most Suselle shippers trannies?
>>739471601First off, what the fuck kind of proof do you think that screencap is? We already know Noelle has a shallow distance crush for Susie when she doesn't even know Susie in the slightest, we're talking about how Susie herself goes OOC whenever it comes to Noelle.And second, again>She lent her a pencil!Might as well say Pizza Guy x Carol is the true OTP of the game where they get married in chapter 5 as they reveal that two months ago, she tipped him at the pizzeria.
>>739471640you're welcome
Very convenient that Suselle trannies always turn a blind eye to the fact Toby Fox deliberately wrote Noelle and Susie's scene ALONE, and TOGETHER, in BED, in DESS'S ROOM to them just talking about Kris.
>Susie is a lesbianUm, source?
>>739471608>WAIT status?Reached WAITvana by accepting Chapter 7 is 2032 material. I'm one with the universe.
I hope the backlash is huge
>>739471584Weird how nobody ever has a problem with Kris having a crush on Susie after thisIt's only bad when Noelle does itfor some reason
>>739471601>just from a second opinion from the player>that you can even miss entirely so it doesn't even matter(other than the chalk bento box)wouldn't really say that's "knowing each other".the only other explicit scene where Noelle gets a look at Susie is the newest girl, which, as we all know, is Noelle at her absolute fucking lowest.
>>739471687because all they care about is that their media ticks the right boxes. They also lack any sense of subtlety.
>>739471813Weird how Susie would stand up for her friends but Noelle never would
>>739471608>WAIT status?I'm almost getting a shadow crystal with how out of my mind I am.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azd11IZI6OA
>>739471856>Weird how Susie would stand up for her friends... only when Noelle isn't around.
>>739471798I hope the backlash is so huge and constant so that one faggot here never gets to "discuss the main story" ever again
>>739471813Kris went through chapter 1 during which Susie slowly shifted from asshole bully into vulnerable goofer and then stalwart friend, making the shift gradual and believable.Plus, that text showed Kris already had some sort of leverage over Susie's bullying.
>>739471813Kris overcoming danger with his faustian human spirit is based and hot. Noelle being attracted to someone who threatened her childhood friend is betrayal and gay.
>>739471864Same, it's been the worst WAIT ever since DELTARUNE started, I used to hate it when Toby would tweet some bullshit but now even that would send me flying.We'd be lucky to get a funny tweet from him, let alone a newsletter
>>739471919I miss chapter 1 Susie. Her instantly becoming a lovable creampuff was so lame.
>>739471974she was too tryhard in ch. 1, hell no
>>739471856Except when she does at the climax of Chapter 2, completing her character arc by standing up to QueenMaybe you should, as they say,Play the game?
>>739471974Nah she is good as a female himbo.
>>739471813Kris doesn't really cease to be a character when Susie is around though. (and yeah, I know he's not much of a character most of the time anyway, but whether he's feeling like going all ludonarrative on us is irrelevant to whether Susie is within earshot.)The majority of Noelle's screen time is spent talking about Susie, or being flustered around Susie.I think that's why there's such an intense Kriselle fanbase. One of the few scenes where we get to see the real Noelle was when she and Kris are just walking along, solving puzzles, and reminiscing about their past. It's a well made tender scene of how she wishes they could go back to being as close as they used to be. That's some prime shipping material.I like bringing up this as an example, but Alphys and Undyne did it way better. we get to see them both for long stretches of time as their own characters. Interacting with Frisk, and either Papyrus or Metaton. There are some vague hints, but then if you've proven to be a good friend to both of them (and a pacifist) then you can see their deeper feelings and relationships, especially with each other.
>>739471997At least she was interesting. Now she's a generic headstrong shounen protagonist.
>>739472035if you played the game you'd know she was standing up for susie not all her friends
>>739472047>Himbo was first coined as the male version of a bimbo.>Nowadays people say "female himbo".Why.
>>739471974susie siding with lancer is still so fucking funny to watch all these years later
>>739472153>Nowadays people say "female himbo".I've never once heard the term used before right now. That said I get what he was going for, trying to describe a large retarded tomboy.
>>739472153I mean. Susie is pretty much a testy shonen protag if she was straight up gender bent with no other change in personality. Thus, female himbo.
>>739472035I knew you would bring that up but that was for Susie only. There's no arc it's just an obedient dog praising their master and that's what it'll still amount to when Noelle tells her mother to fuck off because she can't see how great Susie is. That stands directly in contrast to Susie who is protective of all of her friends. Ralsei, Kris, Lancer, Noelle, maybe even Berdly because she's more than just a submissive dog love interest.
A female himbo is a bimbo. Susie is just a very ugly and masculine bimbo.
chapters 3 and 4 suck
>>739472153A Himbo is manly in the way that the Bimbo is womanly.a Female Himbo is more on the Mannish side.This feels like explaining the difference between Chad, Stacy, She-Chad, and He-Stacy.
Remember when people unironically bashed Berdly because he can kill you in both of his fights
>>739471814>wouldn't really say that's "knowing each other"They go to school together man, what do you wantYou don't know these kids, what the fuck do you think needs to be justified hereYou know what the basis for a high school relationship is?>"Wanna go out sometime?">"Sure!"Like genuinely what the fuck is so impossibly hard to believe about the rough outcast kid having POTENTIAL interest in the cute smart athletic rich girl at the top of the class, come on
susie is a female himboralsei is a male bimbo
>>739472303>She-Chad, and He-Stacy.Those are not things. You made them up.
lancer is a card scrimblo
>>739472340Mr. Fox...
>>739472303>She-Chad, and He-Stacy.
>>739472364>These made up terms from 2016 are more legit than derived made up terms from 2017
>>739472278I feel like at that point she's just a dumbass.
>>739472426Rulx doesn't know Ralsei is a boy.
there was a period of time I thought lancer was going to be a party member for realha ha ha(loading up a gun and pointing it to my head)
>>739472506He was talking to Kris
>>739472515Yeah, I thought that too.I was also in the camp that thought each chapter would see us taking a new duo of classmates with us to the Dark World before we knew that Noelle was the only one that matters.
>>739472478Being smart means nothing, because masculinity is everything.
>>739472256>There's no arc it's just an obedient dog praising their masterIt's amazing to come in here and see people whose brains are completely warped by their deranged niche fandom perception of a character, like watching an animal at the zoo
>>739472339I'm just saying. If you're gonna put something romantic in the pivotal point if your story, to which it doesn't have as many twists and turns as the rest game, make it strongly written.I KNOW Toby can do better. That pencil scene is the first impression that Susie gets from Noelle and it's just "... ok? that's it?". What am I supposed to get from that? I've seen far trasher romance centered medias with a stronger base. And it's not that it's not believable(that's when newest girl comes in), it's just banal.
Susie isn't even a tomboy, since those sometimes behave like girls. Susie's most accurate description is butch dumbass.
>>739472596I only thought we would get at least one lightner guest per chapter as an NPC. But I did think each chapter would feature one john-thing main boss and one schizo secret boss.ha ha hacrying
>>739472680Susie is very girly, bitch. She's just shy about it because they made fun of her ribbon when she was a child.
going to start pushing sueselle in these threads for free (you)sits a public service, some of you will need to be ready to shit your diaper when chapter 5 comes out
>>739472680I mean she is a dumbass, but she also feigns being aggressive as an emotional defense mechanism, and then melts into a puddle of goo when emotionally validated, which is extremely female. She learns about the existence of imaginary friends and within a few days she's having near existential meltdowns over the fragile nature of their existence.
>>739472715if susie is very girly then kris is several magnitudes of being emasculated
>>739472680Nah
>>739472734ill just use as an opportunity to talk about how shit it is, good deal
>>739472734Some men just want to watch the world revolving.
>>739472734They'll probably crack down even more on you trannies by then
>>739472804>if you play the game and see which way the wind is blowing you're a trannylol
>>739472734I'll be looking forward to that
the weirdest part is that I think that if you removed all love triangles and had kris hook up with susie in chapter 1 or 2 basically all the shipfags would stop pretending they have any interest in the game’s story
>>739472775and that's hot as fuck
The fact that people lust after Susie shows you all have extremely low standards. She is canonically extremely ugly. She would be repulsive IRL.
>>739472882I'm the opposite because I'm interested in the game's story but the romance makes me hate it
>>739472882>close your eyes and imagine>no shippers>just people who actually care about the storyCould you imagine? All we need to fix the discourse is to let Kris actually have a gender.
>>739472904Shut up
>>739472293hate to say it but the ch2 normal route is the worst chapterspamtong and weird route keep it from being outright bad, but it's noticeably worse by almost every metric than ch1, 3, and 4the biggest other praise i can give it is that it introduced s-action and r-action
>>739472882The story would be significantly worse because the Weird Route wouldn't exist
>close your eyes and imagine>no ralsei or susie or holidays or dreemurrs>just you, your vessel and a fun time with darkner scrimblosCould you imagine? All we need to fix the story is to get Frisk back.
>>739473049Sure it would, it would just be EVEN MORE painful for him, because it would mean we're forcing him to cheat on Susie. FUCK that would be GREAT
>>739473045It's a big drop from 1 but that just meant going back to undertale's tier3 and 4 are both hollow
>>739472904The internet always gravitates towards the tomboys. If this game were Persona-like slop then they would unironically despise Noelle
>>739473086Frisk is almost as much of a boring faggot as you
>>739473147better stay quiet than derailing my game with your drama Kris. This is why I weird routed your doe
>>739473045Truth nukeIt's still really fucking funny but pretty much all of the actual substances is limited to stuff related to Spamton and Dess3 and 4 have so much more going on
King: The Forgotten Jobber
>>739473205"le substance" doesn't matter you faggotI want more silly darkner shenanigans
>>739473109No, I do not think I would like that.
>>739473239>tl;dr>eat shit faggots
>>739473205spamton being deltarune's nostradamus is probably the funniest thing about him
>>739473248...Yeah you're right. Fucking with Kris is a moral duty, but hurting Susie is too far.
>>739473279*almost
Tomboys suck.t. had to deal with one IRL for insufferable amount of time
>>739473352>Tomboys suckhell yeah
sex
>>739473352>>739473370Real life tomboys are giant whores. Don't confuse reality for fiction.
>suselle op obliterated the bump limitforeshadowing is what they call this
>>739459219Suselle, Kriselle, Krusie, doesn't matter, if any of these are the focus Chapter 5 will be written like a lifetime teen movie and will be the most schmaltzy bullshit to put up with and if you like it you're an actual idiot with no taste.
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