How were 90s kids supposed to know this?
>hmm im not making a lot of progress... how can I get around this?>let me ask my friends in school>got no friends? I'll just buy a strategy guide at the game store.>no money? hmm guess I got no choice but to press A on every tiny thing until something happensthis is how 90s kids solved problems. They asked for help, bought strategy guides, or poked and prodded at the problem until the solution presented itself.ywnba 90s kid
>>739605676Exploring and talking to people.
>>739605676By touching myself at night.
It's optional.
As an ESL playing pokemon I was stuck on Sapphire because of Surf. You had to talk to this random nigga in a house to get it, in Emerald they automatized it where you automatically get guided to the npc.The rest of the games like RBY and GSC I figured out on my own through exploration.
Japanese and American kids were simply more intelligent than you.
>>739605927This, true RPG fans like to talk to people (in game not real life)
>>739605676I got this when I was 6 and could not even read English
>>739605676As a 7-8 year old kid playing Pokemon Red, I remember having trouble getting passed the guards because I didn't know what I had to give them. As an older kid, I remember it taking me a while to find the machine parts in Misty's gym in Silver.
Most of my friends just groped their way through Rock Tunnel without using Flash. I had a big brother that just gave me all the answers in every videogame.
>>739605676I figured it out.
>>739605676You only need flash for one area, I just brute forced it
>>739605676Exploring, talking to everyone.
>>739605676They were white.
>>739605676guides
>>739605676Just go through Diglett's Cave? You're funneled through it by the sleeping Snorlax and it's a short linear path to the building.
>>739605676We just clicked around until we found the solution. Sometimes you got stuck for a couple hours and then you asked your friends.
>want to beat the game? better hope you talked to that random npc in the early game to get the radio!What the FUCK
At the time it was basic RPG etiquite that you talked to every single NPC because they either provided quests, hints or exposition/lore. Not like today where evrything has quest markers/yellow paint or straight up telling you exactly how to progress.
>>739605969>As an ESL playing pokemon I was stuck on Sapphire because of SurfI think i was stuck on that for a little while as well. for me it was the flute to wake snorlax on pokemon blue. In the end I got help from some kid in school but I was stuck on that for long time
>>739605676its a small linear game where you just press A
>>739605676Is it the flash guy? I just brute forced the cave in darkness, but it helped that you could see the walls. I thought it was supposed to be like that for challenge.
>>739605676you guys dont talk to every NPC you see?
>>739608556let me give it a try right now
>>739608030Aren't you forced to get the radio in order to battle Whitney?
>me, 8 years old, not catching anymore than 6 mons, having no idea flash guy even existed, brute forcing rock tunnel in the dark.we were made of sterner stuff
Is he back?
I emulated in the 90s and fucking beat the japanese version of Pokemon TCG and Pokemon Gold.
>>739608936look behind you
You never needed Flash for Rock Tunnel. You can literally see the walls in the dark. The only difference with Flash is you can see the trainers.The trainer dialogue literally references this
>>739608880Only in HGSS, which is exactly for that reason.
>>739605676Official Prima strategy guides for an additional cost of only 49.99
>>739609095Prima guides have too many mistakes in them. Nintendo Power always made the best ones.
>>739609002How can the other trainers see you if you're not using flash, though?
>>739607925This. You were supposed to talk to everyone
>>739609168i hadnt invented light yet
>>739609168They can smell you.
Buy the guide or playground talk.
>>739605676>game has content>do the content>you get the progression itemWhat's the issue?
>>739608030I didn't even know you could skip the radioWho even plays like that
>>739605959I somehow brute forced Rock Tunnel blind as a kid. I must have taken days any many batteries.
where the fuck is clod?
>>739609742Same here. Don't remember it taking too long though.
>>739609742Yeah I just thought that was the challenge.
>>739605676I just went around exploring and pressing A on everything. I couldn't even read at the time. How does anyone get stuck in a pokemon game? Brute forcing rock tunnel without flash isn't even that hard for a kid.
>>739609742>somehowYou can literally see. Flash isn't the solution to the puzzle, it's the "skip" button.
>>739605676Kids have alot of time and wonder on their hands so talking to every NPC didn't seem like WV arduous task it was just part of the adventure. Just doing anything and everything to get the most mileage out of a game. To this day I still remember figuring out that the Radio on Pokémon can be used wake up your Pokémon in battle and taking that information to wake up the overworld Snorlax. If that happened today no doubt I'd only know that information from an online guide or something.
>>739609765He won, Anon. He won.
>>739609765Dead, gone, forevermore. Doomgods won btw.
>>739605676I didn't. I had to rely on sound to find my way through
>>739605676We millenials are so fucking smart we'd pull up our sleeves and find out the old fashioned way: by playing the fucking game, something zoomers will never be able to fucking understand.
>>739605898That sounds terrible in all honesty. Why should I have to resort to just tapping buttons like a retard because I can't afford an overpriced strategy book? Is this really what gaming was back then?>ywnba 90s kidI'm glad I'm not. It sounds like hell.
>>739609765Gone forever, I hope. You faggots are insufferable.
>>739610306You can't even spell the name of your own generation, dumb nigger.
>>739610395Fuck off grandpa. No one cares about snes anymore
>>739610352Just ignore the thred bro, don't you have a mixtape thread you need to spam?
>>739608556Hi
>>739610342>tapping buttons like a retardi mean if have you no money or friends you are retarded anyways so
>>739611082You niggers were hijacking every pokemon thread though
>>739605676People were able to figure out missigno
You're seriously telling me so many people did Rock Tunnel blind but they never completed the far simpler Diglett Cave? It must take effort to be that stupid.
>>739610342Zoomers are the first generation to have lower IQ than the previous one, and it shows. They need handholding and to be spoonfed everything.
>>739611463anons just randimly ask IS HE BACK on them and either get told >yes, go to >>Xor>noand that's it, that's not a hijackunless you're too stupid yo figure out that the stealth threads were that and not hijacks
They thought that maybe the actual entrance through Rock Tunnel that bypasses the need for Flash could be through this way. Let me face up and cut this tree.
>>739611463You've got a entire board, man.
>>739605676Talking to every single NPC in town was the norm on old JRPGsThere's even series's (Trails) where the NPCs get new dialogue after every single tiny event that happens in the story, even if the town is all the way out of the way from where you need to be. 99% of players will never see this dialogue, but those who for example travel all the way back to the starting village after something happens in a city halfway through the game, can read new dialogue from the NPCs.
>>739610342Thank you for funding the yellow paint on every piece of shit out there,
>see this thread>think claude is back>it isn't
You're supposed to ask your friend at school who's dad works for Pikachu.
>>739610342its the same logic behind hidden walls in souls games
>>739610342Because wikis and internet access weren't as widespread or fleshed out yet so there was no choice.Games today are worse in this regard if you ask me. You may not have to buy the strategy guide but you do have to consult the wiki. At least if you have this kind of mindset where you can't figure things out on your own.
>>739610342You used to be rewarded for exploration. Now thanks to braindead zoomers like you that is all but gone.
>>739605676Late 90s / early 2000s games are often designed so you usually need to buy supplementary materials such as a gaming magazine or official guide in order to be able to complete the game successfully but at the same time have enough plausible deniability that the devs could just say that you were not trying hard enough.
>>739611158>>739608859Hi anon let me show you my chibi timelapse
Back then, you were actually incentivized to explore the game and speak to everyone. There was no widespread internet to tell you that most houses had nothing and you could just go from A to B and ignore most of the game.
>play vidya game>there's a puzzle>can't solve it in 5 minutes>look it upI'm 35 btw
>>739613779Illusory walls hide cool optional content that makes you go "whoa" if you happen to find it without outside helpFlash is damn near required. I know it technically isn't, I've done plenty of playthroughs as a kid where I was too lazy to go get it and just ran through rock tunnel in the dark
>>739613626Don't be upset Anon, our boy won
>>739615123See >>739614796
>>739605898How would they know they have these options!!!??? See >>739605959
When you beat Vermillion, you only have two ways you can go, back through the way you just entered, or through the Diglett Tunnel.The Diglett Tunnel spits you out in front of a path that leads to the house where you get Flash.
>>739615205lol
>>739615123Good. Time is precious.
>>739614796Retards say similar things about arcade games, and are equally wrong.
>>739609393>Buy the guideNobody did this. We had internet guides when Pokemon first came out.I any case most kids just talked to everyone and either figured it out or just stumbled on the solution by going over every square-inch of the entire game.
>>739605676you can get your dex rated by Oak at the PC and he tells you that you can get an item from one of his assistants so that's a starting point. And diglett's cave is the only place you haven't visited at that point
>>739615264>Diglett TunnelBut Anon, diggers live there.
>>739615686I used a print guide for Link's Awakening that my cousin copied from his strategy guide
How were you supposed to know?
>>739605898GameFAQs has existed since 1995
>>739610342>m-m-MUH WHAT IS EXPLORATION?!?why are zoomers like this?
>>739605676We didn'tMy brother basically mapped out rock tunnel himself walking around in the dark and then got me through it.
>>739605676flash and fly are not required to beat the game.
>>739609742you can literally see the walls. on the GBC you can even change the game's pallet, and there was a brown pallet that made it just as easy as if you had used flash. in gold and silver the dark caves WERE literally pitch black and it was entirely impossible to see anything.
>>739615854Only Dancers know how to boogie
>>739611530what do you mean "completed diglett's cave"? you literally never need to go there. rock tunnel is not optional.
>>739605676I figured it out easily in 1st grade and had no guides or anyone telling me shit. same for fly.although when I replay it now I don't even get fly and just go through the cave in the dark which I have memorized.
>>739605676Kids in the 90s were still white so their IQs, and their ability to solve problems, were substantially more developed.
>>739605676His instructions were simple, catch 10 pokemon, HM##s tend to be 'quest progression' important items, so you knew how important was to get it. right?
>>739605898if you had a gameboy + pokémon in the 90s and didnt have friends you did something terribly wrong man
How is the Squirtle line so bad in Gen1 holy shit.
>>739617906Surf obliterates the entire game
>>739617906squirtle is great though. blastoise can learn surf, ice beam, and earthquake, and you get bubblebeam early while other starters are stuck with 40 power attack moves until halfway through the game. his only downside is that he exists in a game with a bunch of other strong water types.
Who are these people playing RPGs and ignoring every NPC?Kids didn't do that, who is doing this?
>>739617906its not bad at all.only charizard sucks.
>>739618032Maybe when you get it, so far he's been the least useful of my team and I just entered Silph Co.
>>739605676How were we supposed to know what? That you should talk to every NPC in an RPG? It's just common sense.
>>739618373Zoomers grew up on modern slop where there are 100 useless NPCs in every town and the ones you're actually supposed to talk to are always clearly marked. They have no concept of talking to every single NPC because modern games actively discourage that kind of thing.
>hmm I can't seem to progress,>maybe I should go explore and talk to some npcs as if I were playing a video game?>nah fuck this, I'm gonna go play mixtapeoh /v/, you always make me feel better about myself
vision only run WHEN??
Give it to me straight, is it a soulless run if I switch Blastoise for Plapras?
>>739619041I'll sometimes drop starters for mooks I've never tried before. It'll feel weird at first but you'll get used to it.
>>739619041Most don't usually bench their starter until post-E4, but give it a try.
>>739619041Starters are overpowered carry mons even if you don't overlevel them. I never use them beyond a first time playthrough
>>739617906As the stereotypical kid who powered through the game with an overleveled starter, I liked Squirtle because you could teach it Ice Beam to kill grass types. Bulbasaur and Charmander didn't have that equivalent
>>739619614and then they pussied out in the remakes and gave charmander iron claw
>>739605676Oak tells you to find his aid for a reward if you get your Pokedex graded.
>>739610352They were the only good threads on /v/Cope, seethe, and dilate.
>>739621972then why don't you just make one yourself instead of being a parasite on every other pokemon thread
>>739618984this
>>739605676It's because there were strategy guides, gaming magazines with tips, and manuals everywhere so someone always knew what to do.So you heard what to do through word of mouth, or you read about it and you could end up reading about it just going to the grocery store with your parents because most of us would grab a gaming magazine and read it throughout the store and of course steal any stickers from it after our mom said we couldn't get it.
>>739605676Isnt this at the end of a route that takes you back to one of the towns you already went to?
>>739605676am i being mandela effected? since when was flash HM05 in gen1? it's a TMeven bulbapedia says HM, it was made a HM in gen2
>>739624341
>>739605676gaming mags, your school buddies, etc
>>739624341that was rock smash, retardbro
>>739625159>rock smash>gen 1
>>739615991my brother laughed at me for calling it GAMEFAGS by accident
>>739625357I was laughing with you, retard, I thought you called it gamefags as a joke
>>739605676Why wouldn't you talk to every NPC?
>>739605898It was released in 1998. The Internet was already a thing at that time. Ruffling through my old things, I found cheat codes I printed off at the library in 2000. Why act like we're from the stone age?
>>739625316it's the only move that's even partly related to what you said, otherwise you're just hallucinating completely
>>739615991Not everyone had internet in 1995, and even then the fastest stuff was dial-upt. someone who had Pokemon Red when it was brand new
>>739625493Your local library did, retard.
>>739625486I remember printing out a mountain of "cheat codes" for ruby not realizing half of them were just random trivia about the game I knew already just from playing it, and the rest were gameshark codes I couldn't use because I didn't have one.
>>739625591Most of my cheats were for sports games like big head mode and shit. Games used to be fun, you know?
look at this little dude
>>739625717Back then I just figured every game was like GTA and had built in cheats or konami codes. Mystery Gift needing a password to unlock was probably a factor as well.
top 10 shitmon?
>>739624341Flash became a TM in gen 4.Waterfall was introduced in gen 1 and became a HM in gen 2. However, it wasn't a TM in gen 1.
>>739618984>>739622665>going through cluade Sr recording>almost instantly starts hallucinatingI don't think the vision-only run is going to be as exciting as you hope it will be. On the upside, he got out of his room in like 3-4 steps which was impressive.
>>739610342>That sounds terrible in all honestyNo wonder you newfags are shit
>>739626017Most games did have built in cheats. I never paid for the gameshark jew. You're a nerd if you did.
>>739605676I just read the official guide I received in the mail
>>739605898back then my best friend had american relatives so he got pokemon blue one whole year early, we played that shit having absolutely no idea what anything meant.We managed to get as far as the boat but couldn't progress because we lacked the critical information on how to catch pokemons (we played the whole thing through with just squirtle) and how to teach HM, we couldn't get into the gym or anywhere else
>>739626017wait, mystery gift had a password? in what game?
>>739616686https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32wDFCM7iSI
>>739626385>he lacked critical informationafter hgss it was just available from the start
>>739627149gsc didn't have a password either and gen 1 didn't even have mystery gift
>>739625786>Level 34 RADISH (Gloom) cleared Giovannihe's never mentally recovering from this.
>>739605969>>739606007Somehow I ended up finding the japanese rom before the english one.Managed to figure out almost everything except how to get to Saffron.
>>739627454yes captain trivia I can read bulbapedia too
>>739627776shut up shut UPPPPPPPPP why are gen 3 faggots such faggots gen 3 fucking sucked dick
>>739627847Did you check that on bulbapedia before posting too?
>>739626116Vision only is going to be funny until it gets to Mt Moon then can't at all navigate because it won't even remember what floor it was on.
https://youtu.be/GcP-1Es08F4what did he know?
>>739620890And iron claw is still worse most of the time than just blasting through the often lower special defense of rock types with resisted stab fire moves.
we had magazines that told us stuff like that. except sometimes they were wrong
we fucking won
>>739613779>>739614459>>739616047>"Exploration" = tapping random buttons on every part of the screen until something happensIf the game based on "exploration" makes me feel like I'm back in school doing grid paper problems in math class, it's not a good game.
>>739627847>gets melty after being rightfully called out
>>739634510zoom zoom
>>739635573Great argument, I'm sure you've convinced him
How the fuck was he supposed to know?
>>739635954I fucking love that gif so much
>>739624413you made me remember kino...
>>739628172the various transitional corridors are all technically part of the same floor. knowing what floor he's on wouldn't even be helpful
>>739619041lapras comes at level 15, you'll have grinding to do
>>739624341why is pokemon like THE game where people insist their copy was different from what all documentation says?>I swear, I caught all three starters in Red version around pallet town. I don't care if you say it's impossible, I remember finding them.
>>739635954Obviously he meant that employment at Viridian's gym is a revolving door
>>739633162so where did doomfags move the goalpost after he caught mewtwo
>>739617906>>739618495you might be actually retarded, squirtle is the speed runner choice
>>739637598well sure only until you get nidoking
>>739637308>he will NEVER complete the dex
>>739637938well no shit, it's not actually possible for him to do that at all. it's not possible for ANYONE to do that by themselves unless they're a turbo sperg. it wouldn't even be possible for him or anyone for that matter to even just SEE every pokemon. no trainers in game use golem, any of the fossils, and several others.
>>739638294please understand anon, it's all doomkeks have left
>>739637598show me a speedrun that solo runs squirtle
ahem, doomGODS are the true fans of claude. we wish to see him suffer so that he may push his limits. the journey is never ending and we will light the way with despair. or it would be but i guess it's over.
>>739607925>>739609215I don't talk to npcs in games. I suffer too many of you irl.
>>739605898This, and you can always just bump through the cave without Flash.
>>739639227you can literally see the walls even in the dark. the only thing you can't see are trainers.
>>739639043Technology is incredible! You can now store and recall items and Pokémon as data via PC!
Kurukkoo!
>>739639771Will we ever know what he meant by this?
>>739610342Go lick the yellow paint off the wall and shut the fuck up
>>739608131Really goes to show how low IQ and snobbish gamers today are. Why the fuck wouldn't you talk to the NPCs if you are playing an RPG? I cannot even comprehend the minds that don't do this when playing an RPG.
>>739639771As expected, the anon says "Kurukkoo!"No hints on how to board SS Anne.
>>739636869Schizo anon making up weird headcanon for no reason
>>739610342>Shitlennials malding with this one
back when pokemon red came out it was expected that you would talk to every single NPC in every single location when playing an RPG
>>739637308The goalpost is the fact that there is no more clodVictory... at what cost, anon? At what cost?
>>739634510Do zoomers really lack curiosity to this degree? Why wouldn't you go everywhere you could and talk to everyone you see just to see what's there and what they say? It's such an insane perspective I can't grasp, to just have no inherent interest in the content of a game beyond the bare minimum steps to trigger progress.
>>739605676>I wonder where this Diglett cave goes...>talk to NPCsThat's all it takes.
>>739641858products these days are made so that even the biggest retards and zoomoids who can't retain information longer than 30 seconds can access them. its why every relevant item is just given to you in modern pokemon games. there is zero indication where or how you get surf or strength in gen 1.
>>739609742I memorized the route back in the day.
>>739641507and if you did that, you'd quickly learn that very few of them say anything useful. a less patient person might even conclude that talking to all of them is a waste of time. in red and blue, almost none of them even just give you random stuff, the only ones I can think of is the guy that gives you a potion on route 1 and the guy that gives you a lapras. the rest of the ones that give you stuff are either plot relevant or require you to have to do something for them in exchange.
>>739642640>there is zero indication where or how you get surf or strength in gen 1.There's an NPC that tells you about the golden teeth and the guy having Strength, and then there's I think a Trainer Tips or an NPC near the Safari Zone that tells you about the Safari Zone giving you a prize if you reach the special house.
I've been replaying Mother recently, you can skip almost everything in that game. I completely missed Sweet Little Factory and had to look up what to do. I'm surprised it's a fondly remembered game because I feel like any actual kid playing it would have had a miserable time.
>>739609742I did it without flash cause I didn't have anyone who could learn it but it didn't take that long. You can still kinda see where to go by following the trainers/items and ladders
>>739605676isnt there an npc that mentions hes there?
>>739642989No one actually played Mother 1 as a kid, it wasn't released officially. Hell barely anyone played Earthbound until emulators became commonplace
>>739605676Smart people fuck around until they figure out
>>739643150I guess Professor Oak is technically an NPC, so yes.
>>739605898One of my mates knew how to do all the manips for rigged spawns, missingno and duping rare candy. Good times
>>739638518I found these two solo runs, do they count?https://youtu.be/ZXVi-MZJmLE?si=q7h3PEbslbon5W1whttps://youtu.be/O4m7dIsD7kI?si=y1-Qm14aywtGq_wx
>>739644272Jrose doesn't do speedruns, this is just a solo run
>>739642640A couple of the signs allude to the Warden losing his teeth. Plus they're right on the path to the house with Surf so hard to miss.
>>739618984>>739609765>>739613626>>739626116>>739633162>>739638894>>739639771Fuck off claudefags this isnt your fucking general
>>739644341Ah ok. The first guy beat it faster, I haven't actually watched the vids, just skipped to the end to see results.
>>739644387not hard to miss but you'll likely have a full bag by then. I remember one of the first times I played, I stopped picking up item balls in the safari zone because it was just shit like carbos and super potions, and item balls don't tell you what they are if you can't pick them up.
>>739644620Yeah but at that point you should have something worth tossing to pick up new items. The drugs you can just use as you get.
>>739644396Interesting, but not concerning.
>>739644702I didn't know what they were at the time, i just found out later that you can sell them for a lot of money
>>739605676We were smarter, better, bigger and stronger. The future is doomed however
>>739644396this thread was made for claude you retard
>>739617906It is best starter.It is also the best water-type, thanks to showing up so early(both an availability benefit and lets it get Stat EXP to stay ahead) and leveling faster than the vast majority.
>>739643303I mean Japanese kids
>>739609168they've been in a dark cave for days. they adapted to the darkness
>>739609765Free. Free until we slap him back in without his tard harness
>>739644396This thread was made by Claude.
>>739624413>MonHun gamer girls are all like this
>>739605676AI slop threads belong in the >>>/trash/
>>739645768Pokemon RGBY came out way before AI was a thing.
>>739645768no need to throw a tantrum your janny app got rejected
>>739645943Don't be retarded. Half the jackasses in this thread are spamming Claude sludge. This isn't a Pokemon thread, it's an AI sewage thread.
>>739645170>It is also the best water-type, thanks to showing up so earlymost of the other good water types aren't even available until you have surf anyway, at which point trying to use one is pointless. you can also get magikarp/gyarados and lapras without surfing or fishing, and if you're not interested in using a water type at all, there are a ton of non-water types that can also learn surf like nidoking and snorlax. Water pokemon are great in gen 1, but most of them aren't available until well after the point where you'd even bother adding them to your team.
>>739646009Who cares? A thread can have many things inside of it.
>>739605676It was a very peculiar and specific transitional period of time in the 90s where facts, fiction, and mythology about video games were primarily passed from those who had a strategy guide, an older brother, or rudimentary internet experience from child to child at recess like a game of telephone. Walkthroughs and secrets were almost like an oral tradition the way most kids discovered them rather than just googling for the optimal strategy.
>>739646009>Half the jackasses in this thread are spamming Claude sludgeAnd almost all of the Claude sludge being posted was drawn or edited by hand, regardless of if Claude itself was played by an AI. Is hand drawn OC bad now?
>>739646058the old rod only catching magikarp was honestly a joke too farshoulda been able to catch goldeens and poliwags with it too
>>739646009Be glad they're not posting them in our home /lgbt/ board, sis.
>>739646065One of the most underrated parts of some Claude threads were earnest browsers coming in and discussing the OP question. A few times there were some good conversations out of that. More importantly literally no one ever complained because any actual discussion or intention is better than most other threads in the catalogue.
I'm thinking about doing a run where I hack in a team at the start. There are lots of cool gen 1 Pokemon I want to use that you can't get until the last like third of the game.
>>739646837Which ones?Tangela would be fun to start with off the top of my head, you don't get it until really late but it'd only be useful early game for any real point.
>>739646837That's half the games desu.
>>739646837A lot of the late game pokemon aren't even good. Also worth noting that there are a lot of late game pokemon that just don't learn any moves at all until like level 40 because there's no way you could get them before that so they didn't give them any moves.
>>739646968Tangela's starting move is constrict which is notably one of the worst moves in the series. It has good special but it can't do anything with it for a long time. Constrict is not like Wrap where it traps the enemy for multiple turns. It's a base 10 power move that can lower speed.
>>739647093Its starting move is also bind which is just wrapIt doesn't get fuckall for grass moves forever because I guess fuck it you could never get a low level tangela anyways, fuckin gen 1 manMight as well cheat in absorb to be honest, no one would judge you.
>>739605676the great filter was learning you had to give a bottle of water to get into saffron city.
>>739605676Nigga, they literally give you a phone number for that shit. Fuckin idiot zoomers i swear.
>>739647308we're on the third generation that will grow up not understanding that you could in fact call numbers like these and talk to an actual honest to god human on the other end who would give you information (for a stupid rate). Didn't even have a long waiting period and they knew their shit for most games.
z>>739609742I did this too, sitting directly under a lamp to try to see better. I was so frustrated I was crying by the end but I did it. Zoomers will never understand
>>739647029On the plus side starting with something like Dratini is actually great. It's one of the rare ones you can get pretty early so has a decent level up learn set with alright moves all around and can use a good amount of TMs. If there's anything that's fun to run through Red and Blue with you'd hack in Dratini is a frontrunner for fun.
>>739647275This took me forever as kid because the writing was so weird. Gee I'm thirsty though.
>>739647703The caveat is that Dragonite has much higher attack than special but Dragonite learns fuck all to do anything with it. It can't learn earthquake in gen 1.
The first pokemon game seemed massive back in the 90s. Now you realize its small and the game design is bad
>>739647308bro if i called that 2$ a minute bullshit my parents would have whooped my ass
>>739647873>>739647275I guess if you didn't explore everything. There's a fuck huge department store in celadon and there's no reason not to visit every floor. I guess you'd just have to make the connection that the guard wants a drink, and that you can buy water bottles.
>>739647992well yeah, it takes you several days to beat if you have no idea what you're doing. you can easily beat it in three hours or less if you know exactly where you're going.
>>739648229how can you beat it in 3 hrs without cheating?
>>739648102If the guard actually said he wanted a drink I probably would have figured it out, but "Gee I'm thirsty though" seemed like a non-sequitur and my 5-year-old brain never would have guessed it had anything to do with opening the road. I'm pretty sure it's the only wall in the game you need a non-key item to pass too. I ended up solving it on accident by buying water just because and was really surprised when I gave it to the guard.
>>739646638too late homobros
>>739648272Aside from catching HM slaves, there's no reason to engage with any wild pokemon, but you're gonna need those MAX REPELS. There are more than enough mandatory trainer battles to overlevel your starter with, and all three starters learn more than enough useful moves to deal with the E4. Just don't teach any of your starters any HM moves exdcept maybe Surf on Blastoise and you're never locked in to any one moveset.
>>739648272>Get Nidoking as early as possible>Use Thrash>Win
>>739648102i knew all about the vending machine but how the fuck was I supposed to know how to get past the guard? I figured it would open when I beat another gym leader. It's an incredibly out of place side quest and it's not solved with a key item which is also wierd because it could easily soft lock you.
>>739648229>3 hourslol you've been playing with 8x speed and save states for too long. it's a 30 hours game.
>>739605676If you didn't talk to every NPC in blue or red you pretty much didn't play the game right.
>>739648805>>739648324IIRC you can use any of the 3 drinks right? So I guess so long as people buy at least one of the drinks whilst in Celadon there's a good chance they'll try and go past the gate with one of the drinks in their inventory. Still an annoying "quest" regardless due to a lack of information.
>>739648768buy coupole of x accuracies and get ohko fissure and horn drill ezpz
>>739648805>which is also wierd because it could easily soft lock youI guess if you were exceptionally bad or just did something stupid like spend all of your money on great balls and super potions. I guess it is technically possible, and they actually did change this in the remakes so that the Tea you have to give them is a key item, though it's an entirely different location.
>>739648573what level will your starter be if you just use it and nothing else? when I played as a kid I used charmander and usually I would defeat brock at lvl 16 and it was smooth sailing from there. But by the time I got to the E4 I was usually level 80ish
>>739648840I don't mean that I beat it in less than three hours real time, I mean that I beat it in less than three hours in game time. They generally correlate at 1x speed. If you are only battling with one pokemon, you're not wasting any additional time with the rest of your party. Catch a pidgey for fly, catch a paras for cut and dig, pick up the silph lapras for surf and strength, and you're set. The only part of this that's going to take a little longer is paras, because it is kind of rare.
>>739611463Now you know what it's like putting up with you every time kusoge gets announced, faggot prick.>>739646837Brock Through Walls opens up a lot of possibilities without outright hacking.
>>739649112It really depends. There are 12 rare candies you can pick up in the game. One is in the power plant and one is in cerulean cave, so it's effectively just 10 candies, but that's an additional ten levels on top of wherever you wind up when you reach the league. Last time I did a charizard only run, a few months ago, I beat the league at with it at level 68.
>>739649243why not krabby slave? old reliable
>>739649386while it's true that krabby is a better HM slave, you can't get it until you have the super rod, which is located on one of the eastern routes you don't need to travel down, and you have to fight a bunch of trainers first, and you're better off clearing silph with its 4 mandatory trainers, getting lapras, and going down cycling road with zero mandatory trainers.
>>739649674>clearing silph with its 4 mandatory trainersThere's no way silph only has four trainers. Gary and Giovanni don't fucking count, they're part of the story.
>>739649748you're right, it's actually five. There's the grunt in front of the Card Key, the grunt right after the rest beds, and the grunt outside of the president's office. Blue and Giovanni absolutely do count.
>>739647308are you seriously defending this as a solution.
also you can skip marowak ghost with poke doll
>>739650260>1 person calls them out of an entire school>now entire school knows what to doIt's what they call "word of mouth" fool
>>739650484>kids should spend money on $2/min phonelines>kids should also pirate the information as its stupid to withhold itmake up your mind you dumbass ancap.
>>739649345how did you beat blastoise?
>>739650657charizard's slash crits every single time and blastoise's hydro pump is not guaranteed to kill as well as the fact that it has a relatively high chance of missing.
>>739650431This is also a big one, the rocket game corner eats up a TON of play time because of how slow the stupid spin tiles are.
what is the most "incel" team you could possible put together in gen 1?
>>739650579>headcanon>headcanonthey found out by someone calling then telling everyone they know about it. No one cares whether it's good or bad to call a phone line or piracy you fucking loser
>>739651353>deliberately design a game badly to steal money from children>"duhhh who cares....."you're a faggot. Why even post.
>>739651025Depends what you mean. There aren't really a lot of gooner pokemon in gen 1 if that's the idea. I do reckon that an incel team would not have any of the starter pokemon on it though.
I wonder how many people used the less popular and available mons in their first, second or even third playthroughs of this game. Like how many seriously saw Pokemon like Seel, Tangela, Jynx and Mr. Mime and thought to themselves, yep, I got to put that one on the team.
>>739651639I was thinking: Mr. Mime, Muk, Koffing, Lickitongue, Porygon, and maybe as a final "fuck you" beedrill.
>>739651025Just brainstorming, I supposed it could look something like this
>>739651025HypnoLickitungVictribellCloysterJynxNinetails
>>739608030>strength is from a random npc in an otherwise pointless building>to get to chuck>you have to talk to chuck's wife after for fly>waterfall is just chilling on the ground in ice paththe radio card isn't too bad>restore power without it>take the boat back on a good day OR>copycat sidequest for train pass that takes you right to goldenrodthey just threw shit anywhere in gen 2
>>739651942
>>739652253>OR OR fly to E4 and take the long way back to Johto
>>739609432it isn't given to you. you have to talk to the radio tower receptionist, and there's no actual reason to go in there at all until team rocket takes it over.
>>739647275The water filtered me because I couldn't read English.
>>739652253Surf, while mandatory, is not in a mandatory location. Flash comes from Sprout Tower, also optional but it's good for early experience. The only HM you're given directly through progression is Cut. Getting to Cianwood only to realize you need Strength must have been a pain in the ass, because you can't even Fly back to go get it.It's funny how the remakes basically railroad you with all of these, even Flash, so it's impossible to miss any of them.
>>739605676pound for pound and with the technological limitations they had, I honestly think pokemon red/blue is the greatest achievement in the history of gaming
>>739647983it's gen 1 you have hyper beam and body slam
>>739652486thanks mom :3
>>739610342>"WHY DO VIDEO GAMES HOLD YOUR HAND THESE DAYS???">"Bro, problem solving? this ain't math class! Six Sevennn!!!"
>>739605676Rock Cave is navigable because you can still see the walls. You could probably brute force it if you never find HM5
>>739652794Only on emulator. You can't see the walls on OG hardware.
>>739652794It's still a pain even with flash because of the encounter rate and the cave is full of dead ends and even two segments that loop. The only thing flash really helps with is that you can't see trainers in the dark, just the walls.
>>739652918I don't know about the original gameboy, but you absolutely can see the walls on the gameboy color. You can even change the game pallet while booting it up and some of them make the walls super obvious.
>>739652729I just ignored everything mom said because it never amounted to more than the fact that she was spending my money.
sub human tier i figured this out when i was 9
>Dark Cave is manageable without Flash but having it makes it a lot easierWould HMs be better if they were all like this? You can cut down trees with your bare hands but your lead Pokemon gets poisoned by thorns, you can swim but because you aren't riding a Pokemon every tile is a random encounter ect.
>>739653107Well the main reasons for HMs is to halt progression. Tying them to pokemon also makes some level of sense. If you could just swim whenever you want, there would be nothing to stop you from swimming directly to Cinnabar and catching a Magmar or something to steamroll the game, because requiring a badge to swim wouldn't make sense if you were the one physically swimming yourself. I guess it kinda doesn't make sense anyway.Regardless, I like the way later games handle moves like these, even if the games themselves are whatever.
How did you not know about Flash? You're told when you're able to use Flash outside battle, did that not make you wonder?
>>739654191You don't get flash until quite a while after you're told you can use it out of battle. It stands to reason that someone might have forgot about that by the time they actually get it.
Flash is easy to miss if you're an adult that knows right way to go or a hyper advanced AI that can see trees. But kids are a whole lot more likely to go through diglett's cave and find flash first before they backtrack to route 9.
>>739657783>a hyper advanced AI that can see treesI'm not sure I've ever seen such a thing.
Talking to NPCs got you items and trades, we talked to everyone and went everywhere. Not many people played Red and Blue and just bumrushed the Elite 4 to drop the game for something else.
>>739658205well yeah, these games were compatible with a bunch of other games released later. there was incentive to keep playing them even after you finished it.
>>739648573but how many steps does a MAX REPEL cover?
>>739660318Two fifty steps is all you get.
>>739660419Oh, nice, 15 of them should cover it.
Claude thread? Because I think I just heard someone saying "Claude thread"
>>739662540you heard right, this is in fact a claude thread
>>739609765soon
>>739662609I'm going to need Claude seeing Puff for the first time and saying "looks like decent level based on its size"
>>739662721
>>739662843based puff collector
>>739605676I didnt. But i also didnt know english back then, and ive basically brute forced entire game, multiple times.Good times.
>>739662843I love his confidence on being totally wrong
>>739662862I downloaded the mega. They're not hard to find if you know where they are.
>>739662924>he downloadedyou sick fuck
>>739618984Sonnet 4.8 is supposedly coming soon, so... maybe a week or two?
>>739663004imagine downloading a Mega full of Claude Plays
>>739663098>your pictureAnd yet I'm the one holding all the cards.
i wish i could be as retarded as claude so i could enjoy the moments i create. weedy and tide were the best but there's no way a person would stumble into a situation where that would happen organically.
>>739605676Isn't it standard fare to talk to everyone in a JRPG?
>>739663483didn't he lose this time anyway?
>>739663650he shouldn't have, charizard is almost dead and stuck to RAGE and IVY is still alive. It wouldn't have been able to use Fire Blast. Unfortunately I missed the final battle though.
>>739663650This was the second time vs fat retard, you can see in his reasoning he bought the revives for Ivy
>>739663650Yes, fat retard healed right after the swap.
>>739663650No that was his victory run
>>739605676I just went through the cave without flash
>>739664013
>>739644396Based
>>739665271
>>739665324
>>739665362
>>739665286>Dabs on cynthia while Vedal is ordering foodSuch a smart little AI
>>739652254I want to make love to Weedy... So cute...
>>739665618I'd smoke weedy with her, I bet she has the best taste in music of any of Claude's pokemon, present or past.
>>739605676We pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps
>>739605676you can still see the outline of the rock tunnel in gen 1. So I just bumped my way around until I made my way through.
>>739605676It came to us in a dream.
>>739665646>smoke weedy with herIs it cannibalism if she smokes herself?
>>739665860I don't think the definition of cannibalism has anything to do with smoking it.If you want the gay answer, Oddish has a scientific name of Oddium Wanderus per the pokedex. Not the same as marijuana.
God Opus! Champion of KantoSweeps the Hall of Fame atop his fire breathing broncoDoomers lay in shambles proven wrong decisivelyGod Opus makes his case, based and conciselyNever stirred or shaken by his petty rival's quipsFull of sage advice from his brilliant CC's tipsMay his brilliant victory ever ring!God opus! Our King!
what are Claude anons doing now that the game got beat?
>>739666060What's with that creepy homer face? Is that from an episode?
>>739666078Working on comic. Playing Pokemon Emerald allowing myself catch only the first non-duplicate pokemon each area. In the Magma Hideout atm with Blaziken, Skarmory, Kadabra, Azumarill, Breloom and GravelerLooking forward to Claude playing other games too
>>739666078chillin' in the yard
>>739666096S5E22 Secrets of a Successful Marriage
>>739666272How's Oji-San? Does he have anything to say about the Thunderbadge?
>>739666078going through claude Sr to see if it's worth making a progress folder. i'm starting to think not, since it's just claude himself and none of the OC.Maybe Jr will be worth
>>739667430I wasn't around for Claude Sr, and as far as I know, he never broke Mt Moon. Was there even any OC for him? Or are they just looking for retarded schizo conclusions he came to?
>>739667506Claude SR made it to Cerulean but didnt get out. Not that much OC and most of it was done during JR and later runs. JR was the run most anons picked it up
>>739667506That was some OC, mostly edits. He didn't last that long from what I remember though, like a couple weeks or something.
>>739605676>had a specific kind of retardation as a kid where I would never talk to random NPCs as a kid>also only used my starter and wondered why I couldn't beat the E4
>>739666078Replaying some of the games for the first time in nearly 15 years in celebration, thinking about playing some Gen 5 OU on showdown. Very sad to see showderp is no longer around on /vp/
>>739667638>>739667720I see, does anyone have one of those team lists spanning from 1 to 8?
>>739667906Take this with a grain of salt
>>739667967>claude III has DUX and a spearow, despite needing to trade a spearow for DUX
>>739667967he really loves luna wtf
>>739668257Claude jr devised clefairy quest because a girl NPC near Bill's house says she wants Clefairy so Jr went and caught 5 of them
>>739668257this doesn't even include the other three clefairy that Claude Jr caught, including one names F
>>739610342But it was part of the game. The sense of wonder was much bigger because I didn't know everything before trying.Also I got at best 5 games a year, to play the whole year. Of course I'm going to click everything I can possibly click
>>739667967definitive gen 1 claude mons>the one that doesnt dig>the absolute goonslop>the luckshitter>oh yeah, the bird's here toowonder if this'll hold up for the vision only runs.>>739668257there's something in claude's training data that makes him think clefairies are rare and valuable so he'll pretty much always catch one if he has the balls for it, and then something else that leads him to pick luna as the name for his (first) clefairyand then JR had this moment >>739668313
>>739605898my parents bought me the strategy guide anon. cool thing is strategy guides doubled as artbooks as well. kids were like 6 or 7 years old they don't work jobs their parents have money...
>>739668442I absolutely do not see him picking Bulbasaur on the next run, and that kind of kills it by default. In any case, if he DOES do gen II next, while DIG is not mandatory and is hidden in the National Park, still Chikorita is the only one who can't learn it and is by far the worst starter in gen II.
>>739668562yeah, thats why i say bulbasaur is a definitive gen 1 claude mon, he's pretty much mandatory for the run to not be bricked from the startif dig ends up being a problem in gen 2 chikorita could very well end up the same way.
>>739668736yeah but at least bulbasaur is good on its own merits. chikorita is a "bulky" grass type. grass pokemon do not lend themselves to being bulky, and especially in the single player campaign, they are mostly useless.
>>739667967Why was Shelly so much lower than Blaze and Ivy?
Oh gross lol this is people trying do the ai playing pokemon thread whatever>>739609742I didn't use flash, but how I solved it was that whenever you took a few steps with a poisoned pokemon, the screen flashed for a second. I managed to catch the fact that one of my Pokemon was dying from poison and didn't realize the flashing was "hey retard your pokemon is poisoned" but I would keep splashing potions on it, which meant the screen would keep flashing.I was hosed when it died but I was in the last room with the fossil faggot at that point and managed to find my way out.>>739647308The little snapping part of mine broke off so I always had to keep the batteries held in with my fingers
>>739669169That fag never wanted to fight anything. He locked up his PP in a cage.
>>739669208almost any thread starting with an in-game screenshot of gen 1 or 2 is going to attract claudefags
>>739669406>is going to attract claudefagsI'd say it's more likely that is IS just a steath claudefag thread. even in the past they would post seemingly innocuous questions about the gen 1 games that were directly related to something relevant that had just happened in their bot stream
>>739639905the thought might be like>I'll get as far as I can in the game to unlock as much as possible before doing the chore of talking to NPCsbut then that makes talking to them a chore
>>739665971if you still need ithttps://rentry.org/nqq84r3y
>>739609742same, that's how I taught myself the "follow the left wall" technique that solves a lot of mazes/dungeon crawlers.
>>739666078collecting the pokeymansalso doing RP pokemon battles with AI
>>739605676I found my way through the tunnel using sound. Your character would make a noise while moving so it was easy enough to tell if you were getting anywhere.
>>739669676>https://rentry.org/nqq84r3ythxbby
>>739668257Luna was the shining light, his buffer against CC's constant lies and misguidance
>>739670009Was CC just jealous of his affinity for clefairy?
>>739670045After a year spent waiting for him in Cerulean Cave, she went insane. You would too, with golbrats screeching at you nonstop.
Dialup 56k
>>739668941Type means less when you can brute force the games by just being 20-30 levels above your opponents, which always tends to happen. Chikorita's levelup moveset is pretty dogshit. She does get Synthesis which is just a ghetto recover, and if claude stumbles into the right TM she could learn giga drain for sustainability, and uhh....earthquake, solar beam, iron tail...nothing great but at least she's a mixed attacker.I won't deny Chikorita sucks but just avoiding Dig is by itself a godsend.
>>739670535right which is why cyndaquil is probably the best option assuming he just doesn't go in to the national park which is entirely optional but not likely
>>739670750or, totodile might be the better option considering he wont know how to counter whitney
>>739610342>Why should I have to resort to just tapping buttonsYeah, I also reather watch a movie when I boot up my gaming machine of choice.Zoomers are fucking plebtarded.
>>739668257I love that it's a different capitalization every time
>>739665396>the captain and fat retard where red and blue playing like kidsk-kino>>739666078playing polished crystal and drawing furry fetish commissions. it's a good sum of money.
>>739671381Aawww yiis, getting paid to draw is great
>>739605676I was 9-10 and I just brute forced myself through the dark cave.
>>739605676I clicked on EVERYTHING. Every bin, every tree, every person; because who knows? There was one bin with something good in it too.This mentality stayed with me through world of warcraft, oblivion, fall out 3, monster hunter, dark souls and even skyrim. I hoarded EVERYTHING.It was fallout 4 that finally led to me abandoning hoarding. Now in most games I just ignore loot unless its a weapon. This bit me in the butt with No Rest for the Wicked recently as you do want to be gathering EVERYTHING. But in 99% of modern games you will never use or need what you gather so you might as well ignore it.
>>739673468>Every binam i wrong or did literally only one bin have any items in it, that being the bin on the SS Anne in the kitchen with the great ball in it
>>739673760and I guess the gym with the rng bins.
Why did gen 1 pokemon look like monsters and the other gens after look like stuffed animals?
Zoroark
>>739674125is this really too hard for you to figure out retard?
>>739674132N is not a Zoroark
>>739674167What does N stand for?
>>739674206NZeo Cortex obviously
John 4chan here confirming that this is indeed the Claude thread.
>>739605927>99% of npcs say useless fucking shit like "I like wearing shorts!" or brain dead tutorial shit like "did you know if you use a potion your hp will increase? Wow!">you start to learn to ignore npcs>pokemon cultists tell you it's your fault for not talking to every NPC like well written RPGs may encourage you to.
this is a live recording of claude
What's a Claude?
>>739675301The protag from GTA 3
>>739675301a miserable pile of context
>>739675301Our king.
>>739605676us 90s kids were very smart
>>739605676>Huh, maybe I should try talking to the NPC with glasses>TIP: You can get new items and abilities by talking to NPCs>Objective: Get the fly HM from the NPC with glassesThank you, modern game developers.
just wanted to share this before this thread dies. didn't draw it, but it makes me happy
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NEW RUNGEN 2VISUAL ONLYI AM READY
>>739675743Who drew this, i love his art style, where can i see his other stuff?
>>739677110gen 1 is all you need
>>739667967Somehow every Claude prior to V understood stone evolution. It became a lost art as technology progressed.
>>739675743SHELLY IS FAT
>>739677138Resident drawfag. He said he doesn't post elsewhere so you can go through the OCs in Claude mega https://mega.nz/folder/XgQBUSZY#Jky2QLZGJTBfpNGBKwGfkw
>>739610342I thought this was bait, but then I realised that zoomers actually are this boring and retarded that everything must be spoonfed to them
>>739674709The game is filled with npcs who give you items for talking to them up to that point. You're just retarded.
>>739678398The last Claude wished he had a moon stone to evolve Luna, just after he had tossed his moon stones to make room in his bag.
>>739658335>requires basic reading skills to fully enjoyNo wonder it filters so many people.
>>739675301the CHAMPION
i want a romhack based on schizo backsprites
>>739675324>>739675327>>739675346>>739680103So it's Claude the AI? and /v/ got it to beat Pokemon red/blue?
>>739680543Employee of Anthropic, Claude AI company, streamed in Twitch Claude LLMs playing Pokemon Red as a passion project. The latest Claude, Claude 8th managed to beat the E4 and Rival and catch Mewtwo
>>739679567>Maybe I can also pick back up TM28 while I'm getting back my moon stone
>>739610342>cannot comprehend what it feels like to figure things out for himselfthis is what early smartphone- and social-media exposure does to a motherfucker.
>>739677138>>739679001If I'm not mistaken, he also drew these>>739665362>>739665396I'm also a drawfag but not as prominent
>>739605676>Basically every npc in vermillion city talks about diglet tunnel>is right next to the city.Its only a problem for explorationlets
>>739683315pretty sure one guy talks about how old his rod is, and another guy talks about sleeping with horses
>>739683393>another guy talks about sleeping with horseswhat?
>>739615190With venusaur aswell huh? How many tries did it take him to get through the elite 4?
>>739683487Three. First time he got killed by Lance, second time by fat retard (who cheated).
>>739605676talking to fellows in real life and reading magazines and other paper publications is not really that much different than the internet.The people who had internet could find stuff out and tell others too. There has always been ways to "know" things.
>>739683475Pokemon Fan Club president gives you bike voucher if you sit through him talking about how wonderful, beatiful, graceful his Rapidash is and how he sleeps next to it
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>>739684442weedy would have won
>>7396834873. Second time he was against his Rival's last pokemon Charizard who was raging and despite being enraged, the rival managed to use Full Restore on it despite player not being able to use items during rage and Claude lost because of it.Third trial Agatha switched her pokemon three times causing frustration, at Rival Claude meant to sac low level mons and heal Ivy but he kept forgetting to heal and only at the last pokemon he remembered his objective and managed to beat Rival
i did rock tunnel in pure darkness. i thought that was how you were supposed to do it. brute force bump into shit until you find the exit.shit load of zubats lol
DID CLAUDE BEAT THE ELITE 4? Or did the run die in Victory Road again
>>739684692He beat Elite 4 and rival and caught Mewtwo who turned out to be CC. He then tired and failed to catch Zapdos and Snorlax and spent his last days tending maze garden near Fuchsia and filling pokedex. He had caught Venonat he was trying to raise to Venomoth but the stream cut when Venonat was lvl 30
>>739666078waiting for claude to come back
>>739684692Beat E4, became Champion, froze Mewtwo and caught it with a normal pokeball on the 8th try
>>739605676First you talk to every NPC, and they'll guide you on where to go.If that doesn't work, and you don't have internet connection like most folks did back then, you either talked about it on the bus with other kids who played Pokemon, or read a guide which were in stores. Or if you were really lucky, you had internet connection, and just searched for the answer.
>>739605676Pokemon gen 1 is a small enough game that you could exhaust talking to every NPC fairly quickly and find things.
>>739625357My mom yelled at me one time after seeing it in the browser history because the URL is all lowercase and the q looks like a g.
>>739625493My ghetto ass Philadelphia elementary school had a computer lab. Surely schools in first world neighborhoods could also afford them.
>>739605676Guidebooks
>>739650579Why are you using the present tense? That's literally what people had to do before the internet.
>>739675301You know how this board was infested with a 24/7 Bing image generation thread? Well apparently a different AI company is now shilling on /v/. Just ignore them or span racial slurs to short circuit it
>>739687423what kind of racial slurs you got?
>>739687423interesting and concerning
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