Noelle is the Knight
>>739725238Erm, proof?
>>739725238- and 99 other nonsensical theories to laugh at with your vessel!
YES I am a /v/ deltachadYES I played the Halloween HackYES I played even the obscure Toby Fox rom hacksYES I believe NoelleKnightYES I raped the doeYES I hate KrisYES I also love KrisYES I refer to Kris ONLY as either boy or girlYES I played OFFYES I played MoonYES I played the MOTHER seriesYES I played Touhou 6YES I hate tranniesYES I hate Latin AmericaYES I love glorious NipponYES I hate Toby FoxYES I love Tricky TonyYES I WILL BEHAVE AND I WILL NOT REPLY TO OFFTOPIC
>>739725238trvehttps://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4ctIP2N88M
I>am going insane>am unemployed>have zero friends to talk to>am getting strongercan I get my Freedom Motif IRL yet?
>>739725328Supreme NoelleKnight evidence video https://files.catbox.moe/50tjl4.mp4>>739725461Also this, the anon who realized the pianpian connection broke some insane ground for NoelleKnight
>>739725427Yes you are a israel puppet
I'm screencapping every anon laughing at NoelleKnight so I can have the last laugh when we're ultimately vindicated btw
>>739725238
>>739725773>Wanting to stick it to DessKnighters for being bandwagoners and RudyKnighters for not realizing Rudy Knight is fucking boringholy based
>>739725701i'll screencap (you) so we'll both be laughing
what if nigga is the knight
>>739725238>pinnedSo jannies really are Deltatroons, huh?
>>739725639thats not an epstein disciple a.k.a a suselle troon
>>739725639The other one, or the same one?
>>739726674this board would implode if the jannies pinned a deltarune thread. It's never gonna happen, but it'd be hilarious
>>739725609>can I get my Freedom Motif IRL yet?best I can do is a hey every remixalso thanks for the battat pic, not many good ones out there
>>739725238the fuck? why is this pinned
who cares at this point, the game is just being written as its developed, and hasn't been planned out at all the tone shift from part 1 to the quirk chungus later parts is gay as fuck
>>739726721Sent that ugly cunt flying
>>739725238what if she uses snowgrave on herself to encase herself in black ice armor
>>739726748>7 Chapters...maybe more
>>739726760This is a Pippins board, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. We got friends on the inside.
>>739726789lol
>>739726872I like the guy and his friends, somehow my favorite characters from chapter 4 despite how much I despise what they represent
>>739725238nah she's the angel>asgore or susie do the roaring>roaring chapter(s)>noelle stops the roaring and becomes the angel, creates heaven>heaven chapter(s)>noelle is defeated and heaven is banished
I LOVE MUFFET BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBBBBRRBB
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>>739726956>implying Knight is not the AngelNoelle is the knight AND the angel
>>739726960a muffet for your before I go to sleep
>>739727058but then why the helly does noelly not know anything about the dark worlds, keep in mind this child is literally incapable of lying
>>739727104She doesn't, she's not aware she's the knight
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>>739726889save point dialogue versus entire parts dedicated to completely soulless unfunny characters that are a complete waste of time and exist only to kick the can down the road of an already barebones plot
>>739727174Hope backs it the fuck up nigga
>>739726748one of our threads getting pinned would completely destroy the ability to have any kind of UT/DR thread in the future, lets be real.it'd mindbreak certain schizos and shitposters so hard that it'd become their life's purpose to make our threads impossible to have.
>>739726960Spoder is CUTECUTE!!!
>>739727204before you hope, make certain it is not cope- confucius
>>739727183Mr. "Ant" Tenna is our valued business associate and will be respected as such
>>739726748At the end we might see itMany jannies and mods do like the game, as regulars even
>>739727247Oh my goodness
>>739727290>Many jannies and mods do like the gameKEK they fucking don'tI appreciate the janny that deleted some shitty off topic like 2 threads ago but usually they just auto-sage
>>739727436one or two hate do hate the community and game, though i am not sure how much of the pressure is just to keep space for the sponsored threads.The site does has a lot of people working in it after all
Yes yes grand mysteriesYes Yes coming of age adventuresWe get it, robert. But why does each MC have a beer gut?
>>739725238The Knight is Kris in some way, I genuinely believe it.>Retard strong (Kris has been to dark worlds before and has been sandbagging the entire game)>Insanely good reaction speed, dodges Susies Rude Buster and Undyne's lances when facing away. (Kris has insane reflexes personally confirmed by Noelle, along with the literal frame perfect bottle throw if you hit a piano key as the SOUL in her house)>Kris is literally a type of knife, Knight has an unused attack where it LITERALLY morphs into a Knife. >similar mannerisms in animationsThe only thing that doesn't make sense is someone manhandled Undyne all the way to the shelter
>>739727563>mpregFangamer just has shit taste
>>739727608>Two knights>Possessed dess's corpsepick your poison
>>739727058>now KrisKnightfags AND NoelleKnightfags are trying to hijack Dess Knight
>>739727680>and I took that personally, so I fucked her.These games are getting a bit meta for me
>>739727680Titan spawn with Dess' soul
>>739727608the knight does ballet, has a bat and has a flower in her chest, it has to be the deer. i think the identity of the knight is one of the few things that isn't really supposed to be a mystery but i am open to being owned if that is not the case
>>739727104>She hasn't been caught lying yet therefore she can't be a liar
The knight fucks human men.
>>739727965TRVTH FOVNTAIN
>>739727908>Noelle is just lying about thinking the Dark World is a dream and she just pretended to let Kris gaslight her into killing Berdly for no reason and getting traumatized by that and feeling comforted by Kris and getting mindbroken again was all just an act>it's the only explanation
>>739727965rudy you fucking manwhore
>>739727965I didn't knowelle was such a slut.
>>739728107Spoken like a man setting himself up to get tricked
>>739727965as of chapter 4 it's shown that all the holiday girls have a certain level of obsession with (you)
so how did kris know the ch5 shop song in ch4?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNAQ4RJXsZUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50dSWs9I9PQ
>>739727965I need some photographic or video evidence of this.
>>739728245Idk Noelle having this whole ass alter ego that doesn't change at all during the weird route and can carry undyne in the light world feels equally as stupid as the nonsense required to put dess' corpse and Kris' soul into the knight shaped hole
/v/ is a funny place because anyone autistic enough to be arguing here can see that Carol Knight is a red herring so it's completely discredited unlike other places that still humor it, but the only reasonable alternative is Dess Knight so the contrarian instinct kicks in and you try to justify fringe bullshit just for the sake of arguing
>>739728609>pigeon-toedI WOULD FUCK THIS WOMANIN PUBL:ICFOR EVERYONE TO SEE
>>739728609We're leagues better than those fucking normogloids that immediately think you're Hitler 2 if you don't believe in their pet theories
Toriel prefers BBC (Big Bone Cock)
>>739728609Entertaining alternatives is not contrarianism, it's just having an open mind. Dess being the Knight is totally fine and would even work well but why not consider all possibilities? It's more fun that way.
>>739728609I don't like the whole knight being piles of dess' dusk + Kris' soul since it's basically just sounds nonsense>Dess dies>Dess' soul gets split from her body for some reason to explain why she's lost>Kris and maybe Carol finds their way to the depths and steals the soul from Wing Ding's vessel maker 2000>Kris some how managing to take his soul out, put into dess fucked up corpse in the bunker dark world and putting the soul inside him>the jp translated suggests that he can't enter a dark world without a soul so there might be some stupid sealing the bunker fountain, shoving his soul into the piles of Dess' dust, the making a new one and getting the fuck out while putting the soul inside him>Keis giving dess' dust his soul may have happened years before he obtained us and he somehow survived not having his culmination of his being for years without dying or anyone getting concerned for why he's moving weirdly>Kris and Dess need to find Dess' soul
>>739727965The Knight stuck a thumb in my ass and called me a faggot.
>>739728959What is certain is that the seething will be absolutely unreal either way
>>739728603Monsters don't leave corpses, they turn to dust. Kris + Dess theories are stupid Kris Knight cope.Dess was lost in the dark for years and somehow transformed into something like a Titan, "The Roaring Knight." She did not die and her mind/soul/identity is more or less intact, but she's been warped into an abomination. She can leave the Dark World but it doesn't change her back - as evidenced by the Black Shard being the same material in the Light and Dark World.
>>739729064Ehh I'll believe it but it seems too titan like for me to fully believe it's solely dess but corrupted + the unsued dialog
>>739729064we don't actually know how dusting works in deltarune both times it's brought up it's danced around, immediately going into the burial rites instead of if it's a natural process or just another way of saying cremation
>>739728609"Things aren't what they seem at first" has been a theme of Deltarune since King dunked on everyone in 2018. The very concept of the dark worlds is things turning into illusions.Kris had a ton of clues against him while Dess didn't have a single Knight-tell, but she was a parallel to Asriel and that's what mattered the most.Chapter 4 had a whole thing of Jackenstein mirroring the Titan in many ways, like the bit about hitting only the outer shell.My point is, given how the game has been written so far, is that the Gerson Statue was foreshadowing the Knight reveal: A botched attempt at reviving a dead person that isn't Dess at all despite what even the characters may believe.
>>739728959>why not consider all possibilities?Because there aren't actually possibilities to consider.The Knight wielding Dess's bat and having reindeer antlers immediately eliminates everyone but the Holidays as a serious candidate.Carol is a red herring as everyone understands; she not The Knight, she's the mastermind.Rudy isn't The Knight because he's fucking dying and bedridden.Noelle is not The Knight because it's physically impossible and she already has a major role in the story and being The Knight would require her entire character established up to this point to be bullshit.Ramb's comments about Kris playing make-believe with "that girl" that recontextualizes the first three Dark Worlds as reenactments of Kris and The Knight's games when they were kids is an additional smoking gun that eliminates everyone but Noelle or Dess. And it's not Noelle.Certain people don't want to accept Dess as an answer because she's too much of a convenient mystery box we know little about, but everything that we DO know about her DOES lines up with The Knight, and a convenient mystery character who doesn't need accountability and hardly has an established character that constrains or conflicts with them is the exact solution you want as a writer for your mystery villain with a secret identity.
>>739729064>>739729239flowey is a proto-darkner. an object brought to life through the power of determination, and imprinted on by asriel's dustthe knight is the same. an object brought to life through the power of determination, and imprinted on by dess's dust
>>739729019if you liked it, you are a little bitdid you like it?
>>739729571the knight's weapon is made of some kind of glass, possibly obsidian, as per the light world description of the blackshardwhatever it is, it isn't a bat
>>739729571By your own logic Noelle Knight is not physically impossible. Carol as the mastermind could simply send Noelle to the church ahead of us. Susie stops you multiple times on your way there, not even counting the plethora of optional detours, so Noelle wouldn't even have to try that hard to beat us there if she left just a little bit after us.
>>739729743kinda yeah
>>739729064>(Deltarune) Monsters don't leave corpses, they turn to dust(HEADCANON)
>>739729916nonny....
>>739727183Gee, I wonder who is behind this post
>>739728603>and can carry undyne in the light worldwhy do people think this is a point against noelle?carrying an unconcious undyne (who is a literal stick) as a teenager is reasonable since we know Kris can carry Berdly to the hospital>uhh what if shes concious?the only monster that exists who could reasonably restrain undyne (who bench presses cars btw) AND carry her across town is Asgore
>>739730096Yeah I never got "this character cant beat Undyne in the light world" like Dess couldThe "light world armor" argument would apply to any candidate being the Knight, it isn't exclusive to Dess
>>739727965Can't believe Rudy would cheat on his wife like this...
>>739725238She's such a hot cuckquean
>>739729171The Knight's similarities and parallels to the Titans are obvious, they're definitely Titan-like.I believe they've more or less become a Titan/Lightner hybrid, a Titan with a Lightner's mind and SOUL, which is more convenient than a Darkner("Dustner")/Lightner hybrid.It's a hard rule that Darkners cannot leave the Dark World, and Gerson is actually evidence AGAINST The Knight being a "Dustner," because Ralsei makes it clear that Gerson is a special case more limited than a normal Darkner.Titans have no such restrictions, they're just supposed to be powerful and mindless forces of destruction. And if The Knight is like a Titan, then Chapter 4 has established a clear endgame for them: they could be PURIFIED or BANISHED by the SOUL, which could restore them to fully being a Lightner.The UNUSED dialogue is certainly Dess, but it's also certainly not something happening at the same time as the story and there are plenty of ways it could be explained with Dess as The Knight.>>739729227>>739729605>>739729928Gerson's dust is treated like a corpse, not cremated ashes. A monster's dust is their ensouled remains, which are supposed to be laid to rest."When monsters die, their dust is buried."The old man is a special kind of Darkner, a Lightner's ensouled remains reanimated by the Determination of someone close to them through the Fountain, but this makes him uniquely limited, not more free. Even Castle Town's fountain wouldn't be able to revive him, and he certainly can't leave the Dark World.The Knight cannot be something like Gerson or his hammer.
https://youtu.be/7f1RK1m7qvc?si=j4XAoS7yWfO5oAxH&t=196
I KNOW CHAPTER 5 WILL CAUSE A RIFT SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN SHIPPINGFAGS AND THEORY/LOREFAGS also there's going to be a gameplay gimmick that takes up most of the chapter that most fans will hate.
>>739730340>the knight cannot be something like gerson or his hammerthat's correct, because the knight is a living lightner
>>739730183The armor being amorphous + skinny as hell and the knight reacting to taking damage being very damn similar to how the titan and titan spawn glitching out when damaged points to it probably not being armor but the whole body to me at least it opening its chest probably wouldn't bode well to whoever is wearing it
>>739730450why'd you post a mediocre track?
>>739729747Dess's baseball bat is conspicuously missing from her room. It is highly likely that she had it on her person when she "disappeared."Even if it's not literally her bat transformed into the sword, the fact that the Black Knife clearly takes the shape of a bat when summoned before turning to a sword when it's wielded is obviously a detail with major significance.>>739729787>Carol as the mastermind could simply send Noelle to the church ahead of usNo, this violates the "Noelle's entire character is not bullshit and she's not lying to us and faking everything" principle.It also contradicts the actual events. Susie rushes out before Carol takes Noelle into the kitchen and would have seen Noelle leave. Carol also stays by the door and watches Kris and Susie leave, so she wasn't in the kitchen telling Noelle to go after them.>Susie stops you multiple times on your way thereNo, this only happens on the Weird Route and you're still directly going the shortest possible route between the house and the Church. When you reach the Church you find not one but TWO Dark Fountains already made and The Knight already waiting for you inside.
>>739730340Would a titan spawn with a lightener's soul fall into the same idea?
>>739730183>The "light world armor" argument would apply to any candidate being the KnightExcept they're not skeletal deer who can rip open their skull and ribcage
>>739730781>papyrus wearing a cool helmet
The knight is Rudy using December's human soulThey are trying to start the roaring to get access to the place where the vessel was discarded and use it as Dess's new bodyRudy is dying because Dess's determination is poisoning his soulKris is aiding them by closing whatever fountain they create using (You)While having multiple fountains spawns a titan, constantly creating and closing fountains will divert the new dark energy into any remaining fountainThink of creating a fountain as adding pressure to a tank of water and attaching a new hose to it, and closing a fountain just removes the hose and not the pressure, eventually the last hose will be shooting water out like a laser, or explodeThis is why Ralsei's fountain seems to be expanding, more energy is flowing through itRalsei is apart of the plan in so far as to close any fountains and stopping the roaring, but is not involved with the creation of fountains, which is why he is against new fountainsEventually the roaring will happen, a titan will show up, and the two worlds will overlapHowever, as to Rudy's plan, Ralsei's fountain will explode and either kill the titan or trap it in it's figurative craterThe vessel will be recovered in the time the worlds overlapped, the titan threat would be solved, everyone winsThe fun gang's involvement will be to stall the titan while Ralsei's fountain gains energy, and then escorting the lightners and darkners to safetyA single new fountain is made to house the remaining darkner which allows Susie to go on unlimted adventuresThe weird route is (You) using Noelle to get the vessel for yourself, leaving Rudy to die and Dess to remain just a soul, probably residing in Kris's body
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The only way for Noelle to be the knight is if she has a split personalityAnd split personalities are just one step above the evil twin trope
>>739730768That's squarely in the realm of "I don't know, maybe"I don't see any reason to invoke a disembodied SOUL in the first place.I'm imagining Dess lost and totally alone in the pitch black void of the Depths, and the darkness just... slowly coalesces around her.I also took the "fallen star/bitter water" story as foreshadowing what happened to The Knight, in which case the Black Shards would crystalize from Dess's own "tears" and Determination
>>739727436With hiw inconsistent the thread deleting and auto saging is, yeah it's just one or two faggots who personally hate the gameIt was the same for Homestuck threads on /co/, when the 4chan doxxing happened and some jannies fled like roaches, homestuck threads stopped being deleted and now there's a general up 24/7
>>739731053It would be even worse because we've already gotten half a chapter of Noelle being realistically manipulated and conditioned to accept abuseand people are ""genuinely"" trying to tell you that all of that was just misdirection from The Knight being her fucking Genocide Jack, but actually even stupider than that because Noelle is somehow completely unaware of this evil alter ego
Why does Kris share a room with AsrielAnd seemingly shared that room until Asriel was an adult and left for college?What's the significance of that?Why couldn't toby just make two small rooms for each of them?Even if they are both boys, what's the metanarrative reasoning for them to share a single room together for so long?
>>739729227>>739729928its all but confirmed at this point,>monster dust/ashes are spread across the monster's favorite item as a tradition, hometown doesnt have any form of cremation service>dying monsters enter a comatose "fallen down" state (berdly)>something about human souls is "stronger" than monster ones, and is required to close fountains it should be noted that susie's dark world much smaller than the knight/kris ones. this could be an intentional aspect or it could just be coincidental>determination absolutely still exists, it just hasnt been namedropped yet because doing so would confirm so much else alongside it.>>739730340the knight is seemingly made out of whatever blackshards and shadow crystals are.the knight's body could very well just straight up be a determination battery which is why its capable of persisting in the light world.
>>739730781something is deeply wrong with rudy, i can see it being apart of him
>>739728609Carol is obviously a red herring, but I don't hate Dess knightMy problem with Dess knight is that it isn't much better than the knight being a character we've never seen beforeDess is only a silhouette who hung out with the Dreemurrs until she stopped and probably dated Asriel at some point, that's all we knowMeanwhile Rudy is a fun character, good design, is quickly dying before our eyes, is worried about his family and would have the motivation to do something as drastic as the roaring
>>739731471there's nothing saying that human souls are stronger than monster ones iirc the nip translation seems to specify that (you) are the factor that can close fountains, any old human soul isn't enough
>>739729064>somehow transformed into something like a Titanshe died, her dust was sprinkled onto her bat and then her bat was thrown into the prime fountain and cooked at 350 for 2 hours
>>739731452>What's the significance of that?Immediately establishing Kris's characterization from the moment you see them
>>739731330You could still have Noelle knight be a thing and snow grave also be a thing since she's clearly putting herself in a different state of mind during snow grave. She could be like sensui from yyh
>>739731471>something about human souls is "stronger" than monster onesIt's not "a human soul," it's You.They don't need Kris, they need You.You and "YOUR POWER," which is the riff that plays when You close a fountain.
>>739729928how you gonna argue with lore from the librarby that's way too maverick
>>739731952the books doesn't say monsters turn to dust naturallyit just says that their dust is buried with a meaningful item and glosses over it susie does the same thing later onif it were the same as in undertale, there would be no reason to dance around it
>>739730340>The UNUSED dialogue is certainly Dess, but it's also certainly not something happening at the same time as the storyi wouldn't be so sure anon
>>73973181399% of people who first play this game would see Kris's empty room, leave, enter the closest door which would be Asriel's room, see his super decorated room and realize something is wrong with KrisSure it takes 3 seconds longer, but Kris's character is established either way.
>>739731897it is a human soul, (you) are a human my guythe connection is the emotional connection between (you) and the game, you are channeling your determination to complete the game into the soul
>>739729064>>739729171Dess was morally injured and cryogenically preserved by Carol to keep her from turning to dust. Someone opened a fountain there and she became a darkner. To try to revert her to normal, Kris gave this darkner his human soul. This did not work, at least mostly not, but did make that darkner extremely powerful and capable of leaving the dark world: the knight. This progress towards Dess's restoration, and Kris's demonstration of his loyalty and devotion, is why Carol trusts him implicitly. The rest of their plan likely involves deliberately triggering the roaring under certain timing or conditions to try to engineer a miracle. In the dark world, imagination becomes tangible, so if you break down the barrier between the worlds, you can change reality itself.
>>739731717>>739731897What makes (you) unique is that you're the only human soul the party has access to. That's it.
Haven't been here since July, are jannies still deleting these threads?
>>739732125Sure, but have you considered that the presentation we got is much funnier?
>>739732125you don't understand how retarded the average of players can beby having kris and asriel share a room, that immediately eliminates any potential of some retard missing that key bit of early characterization it's why it might not be worth putting much stock in to optional characters, if they can be skipped you have to assume that people will skip them
>>739732190And Kris can seal the fountains even if we're not actually there as evidenced by our ability to skip chapters. Brutal.
>>739732213Occasionally.
>>739732190(you) were summoned by gasterthat alone makes (you) different from whatever soul kris possessed prior
>>739730183The knight having powers in the light world requires introducing new magic nonsense rules. Rudy+Asgore doesn't. That's why it's the best theory based on physical evidence.
>>739732213A few hate DELTARUNE and autosage us but otherwise we've been having healthy discussions just fine. Last threads have been:>Speculating on Chapter 5>Discussing about Asgore's Corkboard and its form as Darkner>Ralsei's goals>Who is the Knight>Twin Peaks comparisons>Toby Fox being radio silent for over 2 months and making people here very upset>Discussion if Sans is gonna be important to the story later on>FemKrisfags holding on for dear life >doepostingThat's about it
>>739732292don't forget our leading member of the cross country club, noelle holiday
>>739732284(you) were summoned by Kris to replace his original soul which he already gave away to the knight.
>>739731452hometown has a housing and real estate problem, it's a theme being continued from undertale. the monsters don't have enough space to live, look at how many are crammed into the apartments. meanwhile the holidays get a big ass mansion? why can't they cut down the trees and build more houses? do monsters pay taxes?
>>739732326No. Normal teen girls cannot carry people around, even if they do track.
>>739730183>>739732292>>739732326You're all fucking stupid. Yes, the knight still has its powers in the light world. Susie said otherwise and it laughed at the suggestion. It can do this because it has Kris's human soul, and so maintain its darkner form even in the real world. This is exactly what Spamton was trying to achieve by killing Kris and stealing (you).
>>739732246The kind of person who wouldn't explore the first door they see are the kind of people who wouldn't even notice Kris's characterization
what do you think about demons in deltarune anon?pic totally, completely unrelated btw
>>739732417>magic BS headcannonYeah, sure.
>>739732121This is (not actually) quoting the Chapter 1 UNUSED text in Chapter 2, so it actually directly demonstrates my point.But I think the substance of the text is more important with the speaker being confused and panicking, unfamiliar with their situation in Chapter 1, when Dess has certainly been missing for years. And by Chapter 4, just a few days later, they've become so accustomed to the complete darkness that they've forgotten what normal life is like and don't know if they're dead or alive, only kept sane by the occasional scratching noise.>>739732130Yeah I know that. The point is that it's YOU, with this special connection.Which is why any ordinary human soul couldn't do this. It's not a general quality of humans, it's the unique case of You. We don't have any indication that human SOULs in general are special compared to monster SOULs in Deltarune, and monsters being able to produce a significant quantity of Determination indicates that they aren't.
>>739732439My demons are a bit different
>>739732430think of the average deltarune player, anonremember all the retarded shit they've been spewing for years now and blatantly getting basic shit wrong that the game overtly statesthe average deltarune player is dumber than a pile of bricks, here that is sometimes forgotten because we're smarter than bricks, usually
>>739732360Instead if a forced cramped living conditions, it's self inflicted?I like that, and it further shows that Toriel is a bad mother by forcing her two kids to share the same room for 10+ years instead of either expanding the house or turning two rooms into 3 smaller rooms
>>739732463This is outright explained in the Spamton fight.
>>739732487>Dess has certainly been missing for yearsyeapwhat's your take on the spooky hand in chapter 4 then
>>739732331>(you) were summoned by Kris to replace his original soul which he already gave away to the knight.>>739732292>>739732417>the knight still has its powers in the light worldThe Knight is still a 10 foot tall hulking monstrosity covered in/made of black glass in the Light World. But there's no evidence of it using any magic powers. It sure doesn't seem like it flew Undyne to the Shelter.
>>739732573No, that's headcanon. Stop confusing your imagination for reality.
>>739732487>The point is that it's YOU, with this special connection. Which is why any ordinary human soul couldn't do this.Wrong. We're just the only available human soul. >We don't have any indication that human SOULs in general are special compared to monster SOULs in Deltarune,Other than than the fact that the one human soul we know of is enormously more powerful than any other soul in the game. Unless, of course, Kris's original soul is indeed possessed by the Knight, which is also profoundly stronger than anything else in the game other than (you).
>>739732586>The Knight is still a 10 foot tall hulking monstrosity covered in/made of black glass in the Light World. But there's no evidence of it using any magic powers. Read these two sentences again. How can it retain its crazy darkner form and not have its powers? >>739732635Play the game
>>739732575>what's your take on the spooky hand in chapter 4 thenYou mean this?It's pretty undeniably Dess (The Knight) having a moment with Kris
>>739725639that would be the average latinx
>>739732540Perhaps it's just my optimism, but I think the people giving retarded takes are just brainrotted from the lack of content and are coming up with new theories just to entertain themselves?Remember how twitter freaked out over Dess groomed Kris theory?That shit is old and wouldn't have gotten a response from the casuals if it was posted after chapter 4, but they're bored so they latched onto how horrible that theory is for entertainmentJust like how we entertain the idea of noelleknight schizosSure it's funny, but I don't see that twist coming without ruining her as a character or adding an equally retarded development for Noelle
>>739732704>How can it retain its crazy darkner form and not have its powers?Because we're talking about its physical form, which is made out of the black glass, which is the same material in the Light World as it is in the Dark World.We have been repeatedly told that the places where The Knight is apparently hiding could fit "a large person" for a reason.
>>739732778Yeah and the reason is that the knight is fucking 8 feet tall. Not because it's an adult in a suit. Hell the actually big monsters in the game are asgore and toriel and the knight sure as shit isn't one of them.
How many more chapters until we get a light world battle with the Undertale UI?
>>739732769xitter keeps an eye here because they know we can freely talk about shit and come up with theories that would get them excommunicated in their own circles these people are presently acting all high and mighty that the soundtrack art is confirming their theories instead of being cautious because the art has never 1:1 reflected the gamedoelester hitting the towers was unexpected though
>>739732729Do you think that entity is touching Kris's hand at that moment or is it touching the hand Kris lost?
>>739732729does that not give you more of an UNUSED flavor than a knight flavor? why would a sound effect play silently *from the code*?not to mention the knight is in the back closet at this point. i just see how anyone could find that explanation satisfactoryany flavor of a knight/UNUSED dess split rectifies this shit so easily. it even explains the distinction between black shards (knight) and shadow crystals (UNUSED)
>>739732704also>its crazy darkner formThe Knight is explicitly not a Darkner and must be a Lightner, in some meaningful way, because of its ability to leave the Dark World and create fountains with its Determination, which Darkners cannot do.>>739732663I don't understand, you already acknowledged that the SOUL's power comes from Your own Determination, but you're still arguing that any human soul could do this without our power?It's YOUR POWER that makes Kris's SOUL special, YOUR POWER is what seals the fountains and can change FATE. This has already been made explicit in the game, I don't see what there is to argue about here.
>>739732778>>739732869a 'large person' according to kris is most of the castremember that our hero is a mere 5'0"
>>739733002you would be making a point if we hadn't seen The Knight and know that they're huge
>>739728734WHERE THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
>>739732439Does ERAM actually exist as a separate entity or is it just FRIEND wearing the shadow mantle?
>>739732994>The Knight is explicitly not a Darkner and must be a Lightner, in some meaningful way, because of its ability to leave the Dark World and create fountains with its Determination, which Darkners cannot do.It can do this because it has Kris's soul. This is also why it's so overwhelmingly powerful. >you already acknowledged that the SOUL's power comes from Your own Determination, but you're still arguing that any human soul could do this without our power?Nigga, the soul is powered by our determination because it's OUR SOUL. That's YOU nigga. It's not Kris's soul! His is gone, he gave it away before the game began! If he hadn't given his soul away then yeah, he could just do it himself, but he did, so he can't, so he needed a new one, and that's why we're here.
>>739733071bigger than the doorframeif the knight were to be the same size as in the dark world, they wouldn't fitdue to appearing to be made of darkness, and what ralsei said at the start of ch3 about eyes playing tricks on you in the dark, it's entirely possible that some aspects of the knight are exaggerated
>>739725238Why the fuck is this a sticky?
>>739730902>human dess redditors are feeling uppity
>>739733173not really putting my eggs in any basket regarding ERAM but i'm also not very partial to FRIEND as a candidate. my personal pet theory is that ERAM is a demon kris summoned and FRIEND is a demon catti summoned
>>739733234Who the fuck is the third deer
mmmm
>>739726960Could you even imagine?...
>>739733348rorynite
>>739732980>does that not give you more of an UNUSED flavor than a knight flavor? why would a sound effect play silently *from the code*?Well for starters, it's part of an actual scene in the game and not the designated "UNUSED" dataminer bait textEven excluding the "UNUSED" text there are at least half a dozen subtle and not-so-subtle hints for dataminers in the game's code that serve no purpose but Toby yelling at you "DESS IS THE KNIGHT""Dess is lost in the code" was never an actual thing. Dess did not get "shattered" like Gaster and doomed to only exist as a video game creepypasta, she's just missing, or actually right there. There's not a digital ghost haunting the game dropping hints about The Knight, that's just Toby Fox (and we already have "FRIEND" and Gaster to worry about, that's more than enough).The "UNUSED character" does not exist outside of the "UNUSED" script, which is very likely just flashbacks or snippets of Dess's memory, which again, Toby very obviously and deliberately wrote into its own special thing the code as a way of telling a story through datamining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK_nJTwVP_8How will Toby top this scene in chapter 5?
>>739733308Honestly I only called Dess a human because Undertale established that only a human's soul can remain after deathIf Deltarune changed this fact then I would prefer monster Dess
>>739733174>It can do this because it has Kris's soul. This is also why it's so overwhelmingly powerful.There is zero evidence that human SOULs are more powerful than monster SOULs in Deltarune.The most powerful SOUL in the setting is Kris's SOUL, because it is channeling YOUR POWER, the Determination of a higher being. And it still doesn't make Kris or their allies stronger than The Knight.
>>739733605Who said Dess's soul is still intact?
Alphys is the knight
>>739733637>The most powerful SOUL in the setting is Kris's SOUL, because it is channeling YOUR POWER, That's not Kris's soul. The soul you play as is your own soul, transported into the game. Kris's soul is somewhere else, probably with the knight. >And it still doesn't make Kris or their allies stronger than The Knight.Yeah cause The Knight has the other human soul.
>>739733496there is literal "dataminer bait" in this sequence.https://youtube.com/shorts/xfOlGbiHxo0?si=Ceuiw-EYEcaZ6qzdi don't think it's fair to hand-wave things specifically placed in the files for us because it's convenient. and hey, even if you want to do that, we have the aforementioned spamton shop dialogue to fit your fancy. or is that just the knight again doing some telekinetic bullshit? seems a bit far-fetched, no?
>>739733575What's gonna release faster, Red Garden or Deltarune chapter 7?
>>739733720I came from the future to tell you all this btw.
>>739733735>you are filling the SOUL, your divine vessel crafted by the G-man himself, with your transcendent holy light and power of DETERMINATION that warps reality, empowers your allies, and changes FATE>but the Knight is way stronger than you lmaooo because they have uhh kris's soul which is way stronger than yours because uhhhhhhhhhhh it just is lolalright man
>>739729064Maybe Dess died inside a Dark World which then caused the fuckery to happenThat or she lost her soul inside the Dark World and the Dark World rules made her a darkner then (which I suspect might happen to Kris at some point)
>>739733831The knight is stronger because creatures that aren't humans that get a human soul are more powerful than humans with a human soul. If (you) were transplanted into Susie or Noelle, which spoiler alert, IS going to fucking happen (love finds its way to the girl), it would be a force to match or exceed The Knight.
>>739733831>>739733903Oh and also Kris intentionally sandbagging is not helping
>>739733720technically alphys still counts as she's one of the very few characters that has been known to be at all 3 of the locations the knight has made a fountain at without it being suspicious
>>739733735If the Knight has a human soul thats stronger than yours why do they need usWhy isn't the Knight the Cage, why aren't they sealing the fountains, why did they need to summon a demon to control Kris and make Kris do it
>>739733974NTA but asking those questions is the same as asking why the knight wants the roaring to happenWe don't know
>>739725238No wonder she enjoyed raping Krissy
>>739733974Because Kris wants to follow the prophecy to the end. We don't know why, but we know he does, and he's working with the knight to make it happen. That means he needs to be a "hero" and go into the dark worlds, but he needs a soul to do that or he can't close them and probably would be turned into a darkner if he was in a fountain without a soul. He also probably only started following this plan after having already given up his original soul.
>>739733973Screenshot the post. I will be proven correct.
>>739733974>>739734087Also to be clear, Kris's soul is not necessarily stronger than (you). In fact, given his passive nature, it's probably weaker. What makes the knight strong is that it's not human, but has gained a human soul. Just like how in undertale, a monster with a human soul becomes far more powerful than a human.
>>739733903>creatures that aren't humans that get a human soul are more powerful than humansThat was true in Undertale because monsters in Undertale were made of magic instead of flesh and blood, so they could use the much more powerful human soul with much greater efficiencyThis doesn't apply to Deltarune because1) Monsters are made of flesh and blood like humans2) Monsters don't use magic spells because they're not made of magic, which doesn't exist in the Light World like it did in the Underground3) Human souls are not known to be stronger than monster soulsYou're making an Undertale theory for Deltarune, it doesn't work
>>739733838Wait a minute...If you die the world is covered in darkness, does that mean you become your vessel becomes another roaring knight, hence why your vessel's previous body is now covered in darkness and wreaking havoc? But if so... then why is Knight seemingly conscious enough to plan with Kris?
>>739734102alphys knight has been floating around since the ch2 days humorously, it technically was more plausible than kris knight because it was entirely possible for alphys to have shut the door on kris/ susie in ch1 and then opened the ch2 fountain without anybody thinking her being there was weird
>>739733785Deltarune probably, Toby might be slow but Nasu takes fucking forever to do anything and stays radio silent about the progress.Although Twi-Lumina is releasing next year, so there might just be hope for Red Garden.
>>739728609Desu anyone who played Mother 3 knows that the knight is Dess and what the one ending will be
>>739734147First of all, monsters still dust, so the human soul thing could still apply to them. But more importantly, the knight is not just some monster. It's a darkner, or some other kind of shadow magic entity. >You're making an Undertale theory for Deltarune, it doesn't workExcept it explains everything. It explains why Kris needed to call in a human soul from our world, it explains why the knight is so strong and can go into the light world unlike the darkners, and it explains the basic nature of the relationship between Kris and the knight and why Carol trusts him.
>>739734198The horns are there to throw everyone off, there's a reason she specifically kidnapped undone. Why would the mayor get rid of one of the cops that listen to her? Noelle is our angel, and Rudy is bedridden. Dess is in wonderland or some shit. The holiday family are a bunch of red herrings, mark my words.
>>739734280Undyne* fuck my fat fingers.
>>739730781This makes me think Rudy knight has like 20% chance
>>739730450why'd you post a fire track?
>>739734257>the human soul thing could still apply to themIf it did then all monsters would be amalgamated from the Determination that their SOULs produce in Deltarune.>It explains why Kris needed to call in a human soul from our worldExcept Kris didn't do that.
>>739730450why'd you post a kinda okay track?
>>739734427>If it did then all monsters would be amalgamated from the Determination that their SOULs produce in Deltarune.They probably don't have that much. >Except Kris didn't do that.He literally did. That's what the demon summoning ritual was for.
>>739725238POSTING IN A STICKY
I have a dark secret to tell you guys.I believe in Carol Knight.
I believe OP is a faggot
>>739730450why'd you post a nortubel track?
I believe Kris sucks dick behind gas stations to buy smokes
>>739734509Was the "demon summoning ritual" Kris getting Catti to call her uncle Gaster?
>>739734679
IS THAT A
>>739734692no, they summoned someone elsehttps://files.catbox.moe/5u2l2r.jpg
Threadly reminder again that if you have a second playthrough on another save slot it's already over for you
>>739734671I believe Kris sucks dicks because she's a whore.
>>739734692The intro is non-diegetic to the actual narrative, and "takes place" in the back end code of Deltarune the videogame. "Goner"s are explicitly shit that isn't in the game. The demon summoning ritual summoned you. The fact that you were summoned in such a way is probably one reason why Kris treats you with suspicion and derision, despite the fact that it was, you know, his fault we're here.
>>739734768
>>739734679gtg goon rq brb
>>739730491>gameplay gimmick that takes up most of the chapter that most fans will hate.Like what
Since we know Dess molested Kris when he was younger and we know he doesn't seem to be romantically interested in NoelleAnd we know Dess is aggressive and rebellious while Noelle is passive and appeasingDo you think weird route Noelle becoming more sadistic and aggressive will turn Kris on?Like the first time she pushes Kris against the wall and threatens him, he'll get a raging boner like he did when Susie did that?
>>739734831>The demon summoning ritual summoned you.wow rude
>>739735125I'm so fucking excited to see how Toby makes them suffer in Chapter 5
>>739735125Kris will becomes more submissive during the Weird Route while Noelle gets stronger and stronger.
>>739732405But Noelle isn't a normal teen. She's a fucking deer.
>>739734220Kris is very much like Shiki when you really think about it
>>739735258Dude... That's racist
THE GIRL'S LOVE. AN ANGEL SHE MUST SLAY
>>739735258>She's a fucking deer.She sure is
>>739735336hooves are not an excuse to be barefoot. put some shoes on brat
>>739735410how about some heels
When will he finally come back?
>>739735125I was gonna say that's stupid, but damn that actually makes senseKris does seems to like mean girls, Kris didn't mind Susie's bullying and Dess beatings, and wr Noelle is in the path of becoming one, and the most unhinged one too
pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
>>739734679kris and noelle's mutant half human half monster weird ass baby could take on the knight (half darkner half eldritch abomination weird ass deer armor creature)
The ending of deltarune will be us killing ourselves because we refused to let Kris transition. Also suselle and carol/toriel will become canon. And tobyfox will imply we are eggs.
>>739735505ch8DR part two
>>739734692Anyone who didn't make the vessel a bald bastard has no taste
>>739735941They fucked themselves. You won't be able to beat the final boss without using your vessels bald head to focus the light.
>>739735941>not the just fuck my shit up hairstylengmi
>>739735621Sweet in the streetsPsycho in the sheets
>>739735931Who will the Caliborn to Deltarune's chapter 6?
>>739736171
>>739735929Woah Toby thanks for the game message being that you are a chud for playing games with date system like Persona even though you enjoy them
>>739735084Donkey Kong style vine swinging segments and less battles than chapter 3
>>739736183me in the middle
>>739736245kekw
Anyone got that is there somebody you forgot to ask where SOVL and Noelle say I consent and Kris says I don't
God I wish humans were real
>>>/vg/>>>/lgbt/>>>/trash/
>>739725238Noelle is the RAPED
>>739736505No, she's the RAPER
dess wanted to be human like kris wants to be a monster
>>739736470maybe one day
>>739736470Same...
>her kid turns out to be gay>blames it on her husband and divorces him>sends the kid to gay conversion campWhy is she so homophobic?
>>739736805regret for being a turbo lesbian with carol during college before they got married to their husbands
>>739731669This. An actually established character being the Knight would be far better for a story that's already over halfway through
>>739736505The raped, by Kris>>739736524Will become the raper, of KrisThe cycle continues
>>739737085Dess has been built up as a c haracter more than Rudy even without appearing on screen
>>739735762ya know, before we got 3+4 all of this stuff was just "edgy lol, but what if"but knowing that noelle actively went down the dragon blazers evil route, i could totally see noelle going>ooh oh kris there's something i want to show you!after a "tainted reset" and blasting the virovirokun with ice shock, and then deciding to keep going down that path for the thrill of using snowgrave
>>739737898
>>739735274>Highschoolers>Wield knifes>Family issues>Have psycho moments led by ethereal beings forcing them to do stuffIt's almost odd how much they share. All that Kris is missing is having his own version of the 17 pieces scene.
>>739738178I'm just saying, Rudy doesn't have deep lore and connections to most of the cast and a soft-launched battle theme with a crowdsourced vocal track
>>739737085Dess isn't "established" but somehow everyone seems to have a good idea of what she was like, her interests, and even how she looked and dressed. Weird how that works.
so was dess the orange soul human in undertale? seems to be implying that noelle's big sister isn't a deer and the tough glove and bandana fit in with dess' vibe. plus the orange guitar
>>739737898it's also worth pointing out that dess being mentioned is a mandatory event in the ch2 & 4 normal route along with always being mentioned by tenna in ch3rudy on the other hand is entirely optional, at most you see him and iirc noelle mentions taking him back 'home' at her house in ch4
>>739738694I literally don't get how people get that interpretation from that sentence, it is like everyone is mass hallucinating it or just lack basic literary skills
>>739738759is english not your first language cause this is a very strange way to word this sentence
>>739738759>Undertale fans can't readIs not a meme for free
>>739738791I assumed it is that way because of the size of the textbox. How would you have worded it?
>>739738546>deep lore>dessYou're making a lot of headcannonsAlso Rudy is closely connected to even more people than DessIt's all optional, yeah, but it still exists
>>739738694it's just very awkwardly wordedthere is zero chance that ut dess was a human, especially considering how close her family would've been to asgore
>>739736256stop diggin in your butt
>>739738807if they both had antlers you would just group them together, something like: "the sisters with antlers", "the deer sisters", "the girls with antlers". they way the sentence is worded implies that one has antlers and one doesn't
>>739738858still dess is associated with orange soul and iirc has also fingerless gloves like orange soul human. their items are also found in the same town where noelle lives
>>739738898I think it was worded that way to add focus to Noelle, because there are other antlered monsters in Snowdin which could cause players to be confused with them (sure none have confirmed siblings but you never know with this fanbase)>>739739012Dess being human raises a lot of issues with UT's premise
>>739738898nta, If you say it like that, you're not specifying that one is older, but the big sis of the antlered girl by association, also has antlersYou're thinking it too much
>>739739073i disagree it's like the only mention of dess in all of UT it should be heavily scrutinized!
>>739739098yet if you overthink it you can add a meaning that wasn't meant to be
>>739739118you are not good at this
>>739738791What's so weird about it? How would you phrase it and why is it less weird?
>>739739152The problem with overthinking is that you make connections where there are none, tobbias fox hides a lot of content and lore but in general his lore is very straightforward once we clear the subversion he likes to spam
>>739738898>they way the sentence is worded implies that one has antlers and one doesn'tNo it doesn't? Funny you're the one calling people ESL.
I'm actually only here for sexy pictures of monster girls, thanks
Does Dess being human make the story better or worse?And more importantly, is it molestation of Kris hotter if Dess was a human?
>>739738830Rudy is not connected to Kris' backstory as much as Dess, who is a major part of Noelle's story and actually has content related to her in and out of the game beyond a couple meme conversations
>>739739402worsea big part of kris' characterization is that he feels like an outsider 24/7 because she's the only human in a monster townmost of the people in his life actively don't care about that, but kris always hasby making dess another human, that gives someone kris could relate to on a certain level dhe wouldn't be able to otherwise for a decent chunk of her childhoodpersonally, i think that takes away from kris and his aversion to humans, since he would've been very close to one in her formative years and losing them wouldn't develop into the borderline rejection of them that's implied
I keep thinking about the ambiguity of Ramb talking about [the horned girl] and how it's likely enough that it's Noelle. But it seems like something that's SO obtuse that it stands out even among 100 other vagueposting meme lines.There's no reason for it to be ambiguous, right? With all the layers of double-talk and implied meanings littered throughout the story this still stands out as one of the things that could only mean one of two things- but the fact that it COULD mean the other thing is a little strange. Toby is really killing my autism with this shit.
>>739739347
>>739739605consider:>dess was so lost to "im a real monster!" insanity that kris couldnt connect with her on a "she's another human too!" level>its what eventually lead to her dying/disappearing, shocking kris into getting rid of his headband and leading to him being a loner
>>739738694>the orange guitarIs Toby colorblind or something? Because what the fuck made him claim that guitar is red???
>>739725238wrong noelle is a submissive bottom
>>739736470kris deserves a plug into her navel
>>739739605Yeah but if Dess was a human and Kris got even closer to her because of that then her disappearance would hurt Kris even moreAnd Kris could end up even more isolated having lost the only other human
>>739725238So are Dessfags prepared that Normal route will make Noelle a psycho dressing into a Knight and comepletely ruin Suselle, while Kris betrays her and join Susie in saving the world?? There will never be any shota rape, just wholesome tomboy conquer.
>>739740206>comepletely ruin Susellecan you really ruin something that was already shit from the very beginning
>>739725609you deserve your own "Vs Anon" theme song
Reminder that if you think Noelle was forced, coerced, hypnotized, manipulated, or controlled you are literally just coping and attempting to reject the reality that she liked it.Not in some porn brained "haha doe rape" way (even if Noelle by default makes everything sexual). But in the sense that this is simply the "reality". This is a hard "fact". Many people continue to try and ignore this actual reality, but if you want to truly analyze everything in front of you, you need to accept that this is real and that this is simply how Noelle is. This is her as a character.
>>739740262True. Of course she is a teenager (but women never mature past the age of 14 so w/e).
>>739725609>Game Over
>>739740262Always knew weird route was the good ending.
>>739728609Its not contrarian. While Carol feels like obvious red herring, the Dess theory feels like actual second red herring because it is now more believable after introducing obvious red herring.It would also make more sense for "missing girl" to be missing, while it would make sene that Carol would already recruit her own daughter to work with Kris.
>>739740262the best part is that she knows exactly whats happening as of chapter 4 thanks to playing the dragon blazer's 2 evil route. and she still wants (you) to come to her during the festival.noelle is arguably worse than we are because all these people mean something to her and she still wants to throw it all away for the thrill of just freezing everyone.
>>739740262Noelle was forced and that's how she likes it
>>739740442>While Carol feels like obvious red herringno it doesn't lol what is this meme? carol being the knight is a huge reach. you're supposed to see the knight pull out a fucking bat and immediately be like oh i know who that is it's not supposed to be vague at all
>>739740480Noelle isn't going to freeze everyone. Maybe more darkners but who gives a shit
>>739725632I am now convinced.
>>739740480>because all these people mean something to hersuppose i worded that poorly.to us, the world of deltarune is just a game. there is no repercussion or permanent consequence for doing snowgrave. worst case we just reset.but to noelle this is her reality. her actions carry infinitely more weight because its real life for her. even the darkners because she can still feel and touch them. for her killing berdly is literally just killing her childhood friend thats a bit annoying.not only is she ok with that, but she enjoys it enough to invite us to the festival with her.noelle is a monster, we're only stoking the flames>>739740640she froze berdly and still wants us to puppet her around more.she's into the idea of freezing over the whole town
>>739740604You got to think like a casualIn chapter 3 you see the knight summon the bat>what is that, a baseball bat?Then the knight grabs it and turns it into a sword>oh shit it's a swordThen in chapter 4 you see the sword in the kitchen>why is there a sword in the kitchen? The only other person who had a sword is the knightThen Carol comes home doing her best conservative karen impression by standing between two teenage lesbians>this evil bitch is the knightAnd thus, the red herring to a casual
>>739725632your theory is stitched with white strings. most of your takes are either can be applied to dess or just "IT WOULD BE SOOOO KINO". I'd respect your theory if you actually debunked dess/someone else|knighters, but no. But I like the implication that Starwalker is Noelle's key
>>739740262There are so many different ways of reading this "from a certain point of view" and Toby has had such a long and public history of fucking with his audience for the hell of it that trying to assert the truth of some interpretation from what are practically mere snippets we've been shown so far is like trying to win a lottery. You and this entire thread are wasting your time.
>>739740810Berdly attacked us. We killed him because he was an enemy. The goal of the weird route is to grind noelle's levels (desensitize her to violence) until she's ready to beat the final boss by herself (kill her sister)
>>739739656Ramb only says ''that girl'', doesn't mention hornsHowever it's obvious either Noelle or Dess because Kris and Noelle are childhood friends and ch3 is filled with Dess references so this could be another oneI really doubt it's someone like Catti or anyone else
Dess raped Kris
So why is the religion spawning prophecy centered around some literal who middle schooler love triangle?
>>739741249homestuck troll romance influence on toby
>>739741070This entire game is just choosing between Kriselle and Krusie like Stein Gate between Kurisu and Mayuri.
>>739740928I mean you could be right, but also we have evidence that Noelle might be a little crazy, we literally had an ARG asking how long it took her to smile, which is a reference to the thank you scene, you don't thank someone from that lmaoWe just have to wait for ch5 to see how she will act
>>739741249Screw that, why hometown is the only place that has the atomic bomb called roaring
>>739741789does this atomic bomb in hometown theory spawned somewhere in anglo internets or its actually russian retarded youtuber who made this shit up and it reached the west?
The Knight is Friend
>>739741920No i mean why Hometown is the only place where the prophecy is happening (so far), i know russians make wild theories but i haven't seen them translated yetI think i did saw a thumbnail of a nuclear bomb in hometown
>>739741741>we have evidence that Noelle might be a little crazySure, but guess what - it could be an intentional misdirection or people jumping to the wrong conclusion just because it suits their doecoomer sensibilities.
>>739742256>No i mean why Hometown is the only place where the prophecy is happening (so far)oh, uhm *scratches head* because its the place where dark fountains being made?
Would (you) marry Kris?
B AS IN [B]Y GOD THAT'S ROBERT LOGGIA.
I feel like the theme of Deltarune is about how, "without you, none of this could have happened".Undertale is all about the player's volition. You can make whatever choices you want and fuck around to see what happens. But ultimately, in either "conclusive" ending, it boots you out. The world isn't something that you need, and the world doesn't need you. You're simply a player experiencing all of this, and it asks you nicely to do what's best for everyone.But in Deltarune it's much clear that the player is something that is needed. You've been personally ushered into the game through some bullshit magic-science. You act on a personal level. There are reactions to your personal presence in the game. You, the player, are personally needed to close dark fountains.The game tries to tell you that your choices don't matter. It hammers this point home with various other allusions and on top of that a "prophecy" seemingly set in stone.But you know what does matter? That you keep playing it. Whenever you game over and quit the game, the world is considered ended. The roaring instantly happens, quit to desktop.And I don't mean any of this in a, "You're evil if you play the game!!!" way either. The world needs (you), but then this theme keeps popping up, of something being missing, removed, or forgotten.>If Dess were here...>If Kris was here...>If Noelle was here...>The blue bead has broken off its path>Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same, but you don't exist?>[All of Noelle's unused text]>No one will shed a tear for him>Your mom would be so much happier if you were gone>Your couldn't find your hand>I'm the forgotten man>Your room? It belonged to a prestigious big shot. Sadly his name was erased from the records>If that cat poster was still on the wall, your day would have gone a lot differently
>>739742267Are you that seething Susellefag?>It could be intentional misdirectionJust like how Noelle becoming more "confident" after Snowgrave meant that it was going to lead to her and Susie getting together, right? Only for ch. 3+4 to show she dropped her like a sack of bricks to focus on Kris.Noelle is a freak. Stop trying to reject reality.
>>739742267But she does change, something at least, she gets more bold in wr, and this is even before she has the thorn
>>739742835It's gonna be so funny if he pulls a Frisk again and just reveals at the very end that (You) were actually a named character from an alien dimension the whole time
>>739742495https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcVuETJos0
>>739742926>Just like how Noelle becoming more "confident" after Snowgrave meant that it was going to lead to her and Susie getting together, right? Only for ch. 3+4 to show she dropped her like a sack of bricks to focus on Kris.Not him but I think the whole "Noelle acting confident around Susie" thing in Chapter 2's weird route was done as insurance, since the player can still interrupt the weird later on, the events need to be set up in such a way as to allow the story to slide back into the normal route in case the weird route is aborted. Noelle acting more confident and just straight up telling Susie that she wants to go to the festival with her, or whatever else happened in that room, is perfect for that, it's done in such a way that it keeps the weirdness(heh) of the weird route, while still allowing the story to go back to normal without changing drastically if the route is interrupted. It clearly didn't mean that Suselle was gonna happen, actually, if you ask me, the weird route is the ONLY route where Suselle is not going to happen.
>>739743056These "it's gonna be funny" posts are always made by the most butt-shattered seething wrecks. It's just a thread on 4chan man.
>>739726960holy true
>>739742926>Are you that seething Susellefag?Nope, just someone who keeps in mind Toby's history on one hand and the cabal of leftists he surrounds himself with, keeps in his dev team and relies on to buy his products on the other. You're expecting this author to pander to your sensibilities and are using untrustworthy evidence to back your stance up.Things will happen in the future chapters and -as long as Toby doesn't fumble it - you might look back and say "yeah, it makes sense that this was the premise all along", but at the moment every option is equally likely, or rather unlikely.
Noelle getting spit roasted by buff chad MaleKris and busty bimbo FemKris wearing a strap on
>>739725238Catti is the knight. Her being a big furball is misdirection, the knight can shapeshift into any form she wants.
>>739743194What on earth do you believe I could possibly be mad aboutIs this projection?
>>739743158It does narratively leave it open. If you could immediately abort right after. But they still went with Noelle completely forgetting Susie exists until the next time you get the chance to abort the route. So it's kind of a moot point.>>739743237>Nope just [schizo babble]None of this has anything to do with Noelle being a masochistic freaky pervert. Which, hey, is what we're talking about, and you're trying to deny. This is how she's written, so cope about it more.
>>739725238of course she ischapter 2 is the only place the knight never shows up
>>739729064>We know for a fact that Dead Lightners can return as Darkners in certain Dark Worlds if their dust is in said Dark World.>We know that Spamton was absolutely convinced that he could enter "Heaven" with our Soul.>We know that Kris had a Cyan Soul but doesn't anymore.>We know that Undertale was the prototype for Deltarune, that many themes applicable to monsters were later applicable to Darkners, and that a Combination of a Human Soul and a Monster was able to bypass the barrier and walk on the surface.>Among piles and piles more evidence, like The Knight having the same Body language, or SWORD_HERO controlling the Shadow DeerBelieving in another theory is one thing, but outright dismissing Kris-Soul Dess Knight as cope is just fucking idiocy
>>739743368True Heaven for Noelle.
>>739743391It does piss me off. But it doesn't change that you'd have to be really really mad to say any of these things:>It's gonna be funny when Gaster doesn't show up>It's gonna be funny when Dess isn't the knight>It's gonna be funny when Dess doesn't show up>It's gonna be funny when [literally any expectation someone has stated in a Deltarune thread is broken]It's like someone saying they're having a picnic and you're saying you hope it rains. It's pure seethe for no reason.You could really just think it's a funny idea and you'd be a whimsical little gay elf but I'm assuming you're not 12 years old and a faggot.
>>739743237I understand why you don't trust Toby, but honestly so far i like how the weird route is going, Noelle acts different in both routesWe just have to wait for ch5
>>739725238Doe status?
>>739743597Notice how the thing you're assblasted about needs to be quoted as "when" and not "if"You're a joyless fag
>>739743803KnightedKrispilledWill try to kill Susie for getting close with Kris
>>739743830Okay wrap it up here. Who cares.
>>739743851Apparently you, a lot
>>739743803
>>739743508All that other shit aside, dess knight is pushed so hard by so many facets of the game that I feel like it's gotta be an intentional misdirect, there's no way it would be that obvious but still keep up the pretense of it being a mysteryI wouldn't even be surprised Noelle's entire family were multiple layers of misdirection to keep you confused and it's gonna end up being the least likely one or someone entirely unrelated
The Knight bat..
>>739743830>>739743890Actually I didn't read your post because literally anything else you could have posted would just be seething babble.But really, that's what you have an issue with? When, not if? Reverse potential man? I'm not slandering your fucking character by obfuscating one single conditional of your grammar. It's the same damned format of post even if you go, "Well actually I'm just saying that IF it happened it would be funny, I don't actually want it to happen."You know what would really be funny? If the mushrooms Mario ate were drugs.
>>739744068>All that other shit aside, dess knight is pushed so hard by so many facets of the game that I feel like it's gotta be an intentional misdirectYou know, I wonder if this is something that could be criticized about Toby's skill as a writer. If you make something straightforward, and the first instinct of the audience is to think your are trying to fool them, is that a sign of good writing?
>>739727058You ever reach a point where you've heard so many theories about the same thing that the terminology involved don't sound like real words anymore?
>>739742351Yes
Consider: ojou-sama Dess
>>739742835This also extends to Gaster. His world didn't need him, so he found one that does.
>>739743597What does that say about anons who are to this day celebrating Mike wasn't real?
>>739744485I'd say this is death of the author and it's entirely on the reader if they start going schizo and saying the sentence "it was a red barn" means that actually the red barn didn't exist or that the barn was actually blue and actually Rudy was the barn all along. Once you start doubting everything that you're told you just start making shit up. There's no "well it's the author's fault for making me like this", it's entirely the viewer.
>>739745004It's just like Tortanic where they're pleading to Jesus every day that it happens again, really.
>>739744962Someone edit that image so it says child gf.
>>739744068>>739744485We know for a fact Kris Knight was the immediate guess almost everyone had with the ch2 cliffhanger, plus he had a ton of evidence against him up to that point.Alternate theories only cropped up with the 3 years we had to overthink every little detail, and you gotta have in mind 2 wasn't supposed to be a solo release at first.So I say misdirection has been a very big part of Deltarune's writing, from the start.
>>739725609No you're just a Ramb.
>>739725427You forgot to play Yume Nikki and Shin Negami Tensei
>>739745263The original one already said child gf, the entire meme was cunny
thoughts on kressel theory?
>>739745753I know, it should be edited back to being about cunny again and not /ss/
>>739725639
>>739725639>a israeli
>>739745778Very lame and hopefully not canon. It also doesn't make sense unless the Vessel making section was set decades in the past when nothing seems to imply so.
Dess is a beloved sister to Noelle.Dess is a beloved girlfriend to Asriel.Dess is a ____ to Kris...
Why would Dess, the person that hates anything bad happening to Noelle, start the roaring when that action alone could put Noelle in dangerIs she stupid
>>739744962It will be extremely funny when she turn out to be dead and Noelle larping as her
>>739745000>The world didn't need him so he found one that doesI don't really know what the fuck Gaster is up to. But going by my own logic it would be the reverse.The Deltarune universe needs Gaster, but he isn't there.I was also thinking about this:>Being forgotten or LOST or "shattered across space and time" doesn't mean you never existed>Even in any of these states, your former-existence leaves a hole in the worldJust like Dess is gone, but her room is still there. People still remember her and think about her. In Undertale, Gaster is completely forgotten, but he still made the core. It still exists in the world.But as for (you). It's like someone cut a you-shaped hole in the universe and shoved you in like a hotdog through a glory hole. There are signs that something like you, the soul, the player, existed before. But obviously you only start playing the game from chapter one, right? It's like the reverse. You got copy-pasted over something in order to make Deltarune exist.
>>739745892Why would anyone in the Holiday family do that?
transparent?
>>739735853Natalie is not a freak!
>>739745892Because clearly Noelle is set up to have a bad fate in the prophecy and the knight, Kris, Carol, etc. are trying to change this
>>739744160Yes, needing to phrase it as if it's someone straightforwardly saying you're wrong and that something else is going to happen rather than entertaining a hypothetical is a meaningful difference in both the intent of the statement and what you believe it to meanCope and seethe, retard
When's she gonna take off her helmet and how bad will the reaction be when she looks nothing like any of the fandesigns
>>739727965Only Kris.
>>739745778Small brain honestly, at most Kris was used as a template, or he is one of themNow, your vessel was stolen and is being used by someone? big brain
>>739729064>Kris's soul in Dess's body is le bad because it is>Anyways here's my fanfiction
>>739745910While deltarune's world needs its gaster (therapy is desperately needed by many residents), its gaster, the forgotten man, is content with his non existence.Undertale works fine without gaster's current existence, even if he was necessary for the CORE, it still all works now that he's gone. So he found Deltarune, which was in disarray and also lacked a gaster, and he decided it must need him.
>>739746189>As if it's someone straightforwardly saying you're wrongYou replied to me and said "it would be funny if you were wrong and (completely random shit happens) instead" though. Like I said, there's a marginal difference between that and "it's gonna be funny when you're wrong".Faggot's calling me a joyless fuck while directly shitting on my parade.
>>739745048Anon, red herrings aren't something people are just making up, it's elementary school level mystery writing that's been common practice for centuries and is far simpler than half of the concepts Toby has already been working with
>>739728502maybe it will be kris that will open the next fountain
>>739731452Kris is a brocon, trust in Jaru.
>>739746378I did not say that, "if" is in fact an operative word in that statement, and what I said is less random than what you said- which I agree with anyway and you're just straight up admitting you're pissy because I didn't take it explicitly seriously in my reply to you
>>739732213Depends but mostly not.
Can I just watch a playthru? Can I play it on my phone lole
>>739732439I prefer Undertale demons.
>>739746383I don't know how you could read what I wrote and then start giving this self-admitted grade school lecture with any good consience.I'm not talking about red herrings in the slightest. I'm talking about the simple inability of someone to establish actual facts. If I wrote you a 2000 character limit post right now about how Kris's name is actually Samantha and it started simply with "Kris is obviously a red herring name", would you immediately start considering it?
>>739746562>playthruThat's what's most of the fanbase does lmao, i'm sure someone must have made a version for that, i saw pics of the game with phone touch control
>>739733383Why is Sans there? Nobody thinks he's a suspect.
>>739746514>I didn't say thatThen why reply? Why are you still replying now? Why are you being so pedantic when it all boils down to you getting really fucking angry now over how I'm mischaracterizing you (a faggot)?If I say the player is (you) and you say "it'd be funny if the player wasn't you", that's you telling me to fuck off. No ifs ands or buts about it. What the fuck is the point of this? We're not even talking about what you actually said at this point. You're just crying about how I said you said it. Fucking get a grip.
>>739746721Yeah if most playthrus are okay ill just go that route because I hate how they fill the game with extra walking back and forth. I get the design but just save me the hour of pacing.Thanks for the reply.
>>739746758you was there too
>>739746874There are two routes and the different dialogue options that also give lore, but still watching one playth is enough, or at least for both routes
>>739733383Posts on 4chan are funny and all. But art that directly addresses a theory someone doesn't like is really funny because someone has to sustain so much anger for long enough to draw it out and possibly make it look good in their eyes.
For me? It's FemKris theory
>>739734671>>739734821Humans are not whores.
>>739746383>but it has always been done this way!And?It just isn't fun when there are more red herrings than actual clues, plus right now it feels more like the author trying to outsmart the audience than characters organically misdirecting each other in-universe.People liked Deltarune, among many reasons, because it seemed more than a mystery story, an actual puzzle that could be solved.
>>739734768Big if true. Chara is secretly FRIENDfags will win when it's explained why the second voice sounds like her.
For me? It's Cactus theory
>>739735125Yes but he will hate her and himself for it, thinking back on his mind that that's fake.
>>739735505End of 5 or 7 as your final party member
>>739747339>Kris's analog in the dark world is the Cactus because he's tsundere>Cactus named Krismas>The thorn ring scene being a parallel to the cactus pricking Kris and giving him the needle swordIs there anything else to it?
>>739738694No. Dess can't be human because she has a gender. Simple as.
>>739747214They are a little bit...
>>739747543Lately people get really sensitive if you say something like this, but this image makes me want to barge in and rape them.
>>739743803Rapist
>>739745778Don't know why it was in that one interview.
>>739747471>"There is a key underneath it, so push it aside" other than that its kriselle relationship bullshit, but its theory that feels the most intentional and the safest bet to me.
>>739728502Kris knows the entire prophecy, that's how.
>>739745795True, true, true. We also need a version with the Undertale player and Frisk/Chara. Unless there's already one.
Noelle craves big white human cock.
>>739725639If you are not part of the Taliban you are a Jew puppet.
>>739747334I can't wait to get my vessel back and be reunited with my loyal partner. It'll be just like the old days
>>739747471The cactus is a girl if that means anything
>>739748015I'm going to strangle you to death.
>>739747543Maybe but they're in control, they make (you) into one instead.>>739747978If the Vessel is Frisk or like her then it truly is like the old days.
>>739748038It's true, though. It's referred as a "she".
>>739748143I'm going to strangle you to death you bottomfeeder.
>>739748143Got a screenshot of it?
>>739727908>Noelle is so devoted to ze plan thats she’s willing to play dumb even in her thoughts when she’s about to get soul raped>kris immediately gives up and just opens a dark fountain in front of (YOU)Kris is a FRAUD
>>739746192i know she won't look like peak older sister/ girl who sensually bullied you like in pic related but Toby has to make her at least as cute as Noelle for me to believe Kris would risk the end of the world to find her
>>739747509>inb4 Dess' gender was "forced" upon her
90% of the dogshit theories this fanbase believes in immediately get filtered by the weird route
>>739748507Part of the plan is to make you believe that everything is antagonistic to you despite you being an integral part of the plan, though.Kris making a theatrical show of pulling out his knife.Shuffling like a zombie.Ripping you out.Opening a fountain in front of you.These all convince you that whatever Kris is doing, it's bad. But he's doing them intentionally. So what does this mean?
>>739734580can you fuck off with the nortubel posting?
>>739747784This is the same guy who refuses to leak ANYTHING from chapter 5. I somehow doubt he’s using random fanart in an article to spoil one of his big twists
>>739745263Epstein….
>>739748631>kris was only pretending to be retarded
>>739748507In a game where people know some weird outer world entity is watching their every move and listening to their every conversation, yea it would be believable that those in the know would be very committed to keeping their true goals a secret from (You)
>>739748478I could swear it was referred as a chick but I was wrong, it's only they/them
>>739748949That's a bad sign, anon.
What’s the appeal?
>>739748098Vessel is unlikely to be anywhere near as good as Frisk sadly, you would be hard pressed to find someone as good
>>739738694If someone describes sans and papyrus as “that Skeleton dude and his taller brother” would you assume that means papyrus isn’t a skeleton?
>>739749060...why the fuck wouldn't they just say "the two skeleton brothers" instead???
>>739748816Yes. Kris is just pretending to be a bad guy so you, the player, think he's up to something evil. Because he is perfectly capable of doing all this shit offscreen.
>>739749126Because in this case we don't know Sans had a younger brother yet and Toby wanted us to know it
>>739749012I must've mistook it with the watercooler since it gets jealous of Kris flirting with her.
aw yeh schizo thread.>Roaring Knight can be just Dess' Bat + Light world assistant to carry it, bodies and perform rituals>The heart was always there, it was always two, Kris is 'they' because it was always two>Ralsei is Kris, heart is knight Kris>Noelle has a crush on Kris, Kris has a crush on Susie, Susie has a crush on Ralsei, heart has a crush on Noelle
>>739749015With enough copium you too can headcanon kris as the buff chad or busty bimbo of your dreams
>>739749638>Literally two niggasThis is gigacope and you can't ever save it anon, I'm sorry.Just call Kris he/him and stop humoring trannies.
>>739747963But kris is yellow
>>739747784>food analogycan't believe toby is a fellow fat fuck who sees computers and thinks of food
>>739747606Sensitive about the medium r word? Ooooh sooo scary RAPE RAPE, but i believe it
>>739749039I guess we will never return to the real good days.
>>739749015Autistic gremlin.
>>739749726nah, you see the cage. Its been there for years. Toriel has seen it. The heart has sat in it as its been pulled outside, in public. You think the heart is some sort of demonic entity intruding, but its just part of Kris. As Kris grew older, for him, he has noticed that they've become separate entities with different wants.
>>739749363Kris has every right to be wary of the player too. What did you do as soon as you saw the Knight? You swung at it even if you were friendly for the entire game up to that point.
>>739749985The heart is just Kris's soul, you are implying Kris has DID.
>>739748940Noelle is so dedicated to the plan that she's willing to risk the plan in hopes that Kris who has failed to keep (you) in check, their one job, will be able to stop you in the future. yeah sure.
>>739740262I've been saying that for a while.Noelle and Kris both have "dark and twisted sides" that the fanbase at large will not be comfortable with.It is why Toby is not selling merch of the lightners, so you don't get too attached to them because something fucked up will happen.See the current TADC thing with people selling their merch in bulk because of how bad the ending was.
>>739746662If main character names had a long history of doing that because that was somehow a necessary tool to telling a story with a named main character, then sure yeahYou might as well be saying there's no reason to assume Susie will have a character arc or that she will be involved in future events
>>739746858>I'm a mad autistic retard waah waahlol
>>739725632Deer horn falls off Head menstruation
What can we infer from the dynamics of Noelle, Dess, Kris, and Asriel?>Both younger kids had good relationships with their older siblings>Both younger kids emulate the other older siblings>Kris>Carries a knife everywhere the same way Dess might have carried a bat everywhere>Plays piano because Dess might have taught him>Emulates everything the Knight does (*might not be Dess)>Noelle>Is in cross-country skiing like Asriel>Since Asriel's classmates are all dropouts but he went to college, that means he was good in school too>Noelle is very used to giving Kris treats as if he's a dog, just like Asriel would give Kris candy in church and take him out for hot chocolate to make him happy>Noelle shares a (somewhat superficial) affinity for lizards just like Asriel>Noelle is compared to "the angel" just like Asriel was the angel in Undertale>Noelle has a proclivity towards goth makeup like Asriel doesI'm kind of burnt but do you think you can think of any more of these?
>>739747328And you'd think the same thing about DR if it was finishedInstead it's releasing in chapters and community interaction is even more a part of the intended experience, no shit things that are meant to be a surprise are veiled from us- the audience- until the reveal happens
>>739750684You can add that Kris is also a survivalist like Dess and likes horror stuff while Asriel and Noelle are crybabies.
>>739750502This gay ass appeal to authority still has nothing at all to do with anything I'm saying whatsoever and whatever argument you've imagined me saying in your head is unrelated to what is actually in the text itself.You clearly don't actually need me around so please just go imagine this whole conversation to yourself somewhere.
>>739750324Noelle is so dedicated to the plan right up until you let her taste that sweet, sweet freedom sauce
what even is this thread
Dess and Noelle playing the red rocket game with Kris!
>>739740262Just goes to show that the weird route is what the prophecy originally intended, . What we have now, the normal route, the weird route being hidden. It's just an attempt to course correct from a previous run Kris did before we came along. Despite the attempt to change fate, the normal route will end in the exact same way as the weird one
>>739740262Yeah, both Kris and Noelle love the weird route.
>>739751376With Kris both being performative about being evil and performative about being good, you gotta wonder what this little nigger isn't pretending.
>>739751432The only thing Kris doesn't pretend is his love for Dess.
>>739751730The fuck is a wokescold.
From the TWISTED mind of Toby Fox...
>>739750772>appeal to authorityAnon if the concept of storytelling is an authority you deny then what the fuck are you even doing speculating about a story? Are you retarded?
>>739725238>Noelle can't be the knight, she's right here next to me.
>>739752032Come to think of it, you'd figure the knight interactions would change a little on snowgrave if it was any member of her familyMaybe it really is just someone else
>>739751127the weird route basicallyNoelle: I consentSoul/ the player: I consentKris: I don't
>>739752610Kris also consented on his previous run pre YOU but grew to regret it. It's why eram mocks him
>>739752590They probably just don't know about you're snowgraves
>>739751913You're the retard here man. You can't even read or comprehend anything I'm posting.What you're trying to "defend" isn't related to anything I've said.I'm not in some grand denial of red herrings and their existence. You don't need to keep saying, "IT'S EXISTED SINCE THE DAWN OF THE WRITTEN WORD". It's unrelated. It's not applicable. It has nothing to do with what I'm saying. You can't just power through by repeatedly saying it as though I'll go "uh umm okay umm i'm sorry i didn't know red herrings existed for that long."The whole point is that there are facts, and there's speculation. If you can't establish what are actual facts and just doubt everything, you say something stupid like, "Kris didn't open the fountain at the end of chapter 2" even though I could go, right now, and find a video of it. Some people just go too far. And this is when they start to just make shit up.
>>739753191Kris definitely would've said something at the end of chapter 2, if not during 4
Where the h*ck is the newsletter its taking too long. No way making Ching Chong runes takes this long anyway
>>739753451And those people would be retarded, just like your ridiculous strawman which makes me doubt you've ever actually encountered the former
Why do we assume The Knight is someone we know? It's not like the question of their identity has been stressed in-game, it's all obsessive fanmade theories.
>>739753638something kris thinking of the knight and preventing you from seeing it
>>739753725Since the player and Kris are two different characters that don't necessarily share the same experiences, it still is possible The Knight is someone Kris knows, but not one that we know. I'm not disregarding all the theories made so far, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be a preestablished character.
>>739753463I feel like Kris wanted to pretend nothing happened and after the rape just didn't have any chance to tell anyone.
>>739731204They both seem to hate yellow threads though
>>739753569>Your ridiculous strawmanYes. Because this is ridiculous. Because the whole point of it is that if you read something that is plainly told to you and your first instinct is to doubt it- Where does it end? You can't just keep layering more and more doubt infinitely.And either way we were never talking about red herrings or the worth of someone's theories in the first place.Anon asked if not being able to trust Toby's writing was a sign of his writing's quality.And I said it's the reader's fault if he says something is red, they can see with their eyes it's red, and they make a video titled 'blue theory'.You can't just come in and say "but sometimes mystery authors lie or give you pointless information it's a often-used writing method". There needs to be something you KNOW TO BE SURE. TRUST TO BE REAL. BELIEVE TO BE A FACT.
>>739754384Based
>>739753994I think someone already tried this in this thread and someone else succinctly responded, "That's the same as the knight just being nobody."
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>739754856This but for the other 2 humans
she is real and 3D and on your computer, what do you do?
>>739754915This but with the cowgirl.
>>739754928Install an anti-virus
Noelle loves KrisAlways hadAlways will
Dess is the Knight.Dess is the final boss.
8 days for the anniversary And the same exact discussion day after day
>>739754413>if you read something that is plainly told to you and your first instinct is to doubt itnever happened>Anon asked if not being able to trust Toby's writing was a sign of his writing's quality.A false premise you took as accurate, and also a reply to my post about the mystery plot that you derailed from in the first place>There needs to be something you KNOW TO BE SURE. TRUST TO BE REAL. BELIEVE TO BE A FACT.Which has never not been the basis of this theorizing
>>739743508>Dead Lightners can return as Darkners in certain Dark Worlds if their dust is in said Dark World.Which isn't what's happening with The Knight, who is not confined to one special Dark World and can leave the Dark World outright because they're not a Darkner, so this point is irrelevant>We know that Spamton was absolutely convinced that he could enter "Heaven" with our Soul.Spamton is a delusional maniac who was wrong about his other ideas for power, and there hasn't been any other references to the idea of a Darkner taking a Lightner's SOUL>We know that Kris had a Cyan Soul but doesn't anymoreFanfiction bullshit.
>>739755089she switched up pretty fast on the weird route. don't know about that one partna
>>739743508Trvke
>>739746304>Kris's soul in Dess's body is le bad becausebecause it contradicts basic facts of the game and doesn't make any fucking senseDess is The Knight, who is a Lightner-turned-Titan-thing, makes sense and does not suck ass because it's based on the information the game has presented to us and not pulled directly out of your ass
>>739755739One is based on the facts given and are alluded to, yours is fanfiction you try to shill while shitting on everyone.
watch out:the "Thank you" scene was just Noelle thanking Carol for pulling the thorn out
>Knight is completely unaffected by the weird route>Somehow Noelle is the knightLmao
>>739755814You might be retarted.
>>739750445>See the current TADC thing with people selling their merch in bulk because of how bad the ending was.Oh right is it out to public yet?
>>739755739> Refered to as Kris's soul 2 times. >Refered to as the player's soul every other time > Conveniently forgets Kris thinks they own (you) if we're taking all the information in context that we have right now anon the other guy you're arguing with has a leg up on you
>>739755926It leaked a week ago, it will only be out publicly next weekBut you can see people's reactions to it are not too positive
>>739755918Yes anon, (You) have the vague cryptic scene all figured out already
>>739755973It is also an example of how a bad ending can retroactively ruin an entire thing. So I hope Toby can stick the landing since DR will have over a decade of hype behind it when it finally ends
Knight is tempered Titans are primalsDark worlds are summoned
>>739755814Subversion are so hecking funny.
>>739755809I'm not shitting on anyone. You just have to be able to justify your theories, which you can't.I already interrogated one of your fellow Kris Knight copers earlier in the thread and they got backed into a corner to the point of claiming that the very first thing that happens in the game, the whole reason that You are in the game at all, was just a metaphor that didn't really happen because otherwise the theory falls apart. Pretty embarrassing stuff.>>739755969Kris isn't the narrator and they absolutely don't think they "own" you. This is "two niggas" level cope.There is zero reason to believe that Kris's SOUL is not in fact just Kris's SOUL.
>>739743508>We know that Kris had a Cyan Soul but doesn't anymore.Aside from this being baseless nonsense, when you start the game you save over Kris' existing save, which doesn't make sense to exist without sharing continuity from him previously having ownership of the soul, let alone if he entirely didn't have one before you showed up
>>739756452>one of your fellow Kris Knight copers earlier in the thread and they got backed into a corner to the point of claiming that the very first thing that happens in the game, the whole reason that You are in the game at all, was just a metaphor that didn't really happen because otherwise the theory falls apart.That's not an actual theorist, that's just one of the anti-human schizo baits. He loves saying the Vessel is a rhetorical device as one of his bait arguments
>>739756452>You just have to be able to justify your theories, which you can't.I mean, there is justification for the Knight having Kris's soul, more than Dess being corrupted by darkness. The only real counter you have is the "Kris's soul" thing but that's it.
>>739756452oh so you didn't check the bird cage before heading to church in chapter 4 where Susie explicitly states that Kris said "don't really like how you nodded at or something." when asked if Kris owned a bird or soemthing. for shame anon.
When the thread is auto-sagedAnd the thread is on page 10And the shitposts that you knowSeem like fantasy
>>739756594The point remains that we weren't brought here because Kris did a demon ritual to summon a new SOUL or whatever, we were brought here because we were called by Gaster.>>739756743>there is justification for the Knight having Kris's soulI think it's pretty easy to explain "Kris points like the Knight points" through Dess's established influence on Kris instead of arriving at the conclusion "they must actually be the same person."
>>739757028You have the better argument in general with that anon focusing on an entire story he made up, but that line is not literal, you might as well be saying that confirms that the soul is actually a "something"
>>739739402Worse, objectively.
>>739757210>focusing on an entire story he made upThe Knight is undeniably Dess-like and Titan-like. The evidence is circumstantial but overwhelming. I have not heard any credible alternative. I will take the one convenience of "she got like this, somehow" to arrive at an answer that explains everything.
>>739757082>I think it's pretty easy to explain "Kris points like the Knight points" through Dess's established influence on Kris instead of arriving at the conclusion "they must actually be the same person."I am mainly talking about us controlling the black deer in Mantle. That's what really made it consider it also has a human soul inside it.
>>739739402I love humans but it would be worse imo.
>>739757210Not him but I think he's talking about Kris thinking he own us, which that line does prove.
