I went to sleep sorry. Continuing from yesterday.>>739759556>all except snake brandishing>what does it mean?It doesn't apply to MGS1 as much compared to the later titles but MGS always promotes the non-lethal route. This definitely isn't the actual reason but I wanted a reason to reply.>>739760576>I love when NPCs are having funny unimportant conversationsLike in most games, the enemies are just as important to the experience as the player imo. The more the enemies feel like real people, the more engaging a stealth game is for me.>Containers for hiding bodies are kind of lameAgreed, I prefer hiding bodies naturally like in secluded spaces or behind cover. I don't mind if enemies can still end up finding the bodies at least.
>>739784040Is Styx good?
Anyone play thick as thieves yet?
>>739785185I tried one of it, the cockroach close up in the OP really turned me off. Tried the tutorial and stuff, I wouldn't say it's bad but the detective vision was a letdown, it's not something I usually like in stealth games. But most people seem to like it, mostly the first one and the powers related to summoning other goblin clones and shit.
>>739785185They're ok.
>>739785185Very good.>>739784040https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95O6HoGU-uA
>>739785272played through all the contracts co-op. Very barebones but still fun
The genre peaked at Chaos Theory. MGS and Hitman, while being arguably great games, are mid when it comes to stealth. Dishonoured is just gutted Thief + Assassin's Creed (Arkane hasn't made a truly great game since Arx Fatalis).
What features would (You) like to see in your ideal stealth game?
>>739785185I played teh first 2 they are ok only problem si that levels are too open so you dont even know if you are going backwards or forward
>>739784040Styx still has games being made. I love the older Styx titles but my potato computer cannot really run the latest Styx title.I have been playing Deep Dick Rogue Core. It reminds me of Left 4 Dead which actually had something of stealth mechanics when it came to some of the hordes waking. Rogue Core has much more compelling NPC programs (back when Oblivion launched we called NPC programming "A.I.") than its predecessor Deep Rack where enemies will attempt to at least appear to be sneaking up on you.I love MGS3 and it makes me want to buy the Remaster even though I'm sure it trashes the original's art direction. The original MGS3 was from the Brown & Bloom era clearly so maybe the Remaster has dramatic improvements.MGSV was a masterpiece when it came to stealth and being an engine in general. I feel like if MGSV was made today and released there would be more obligation for a major expansion.
>>739784040>Thief schizo is back. I was already tired of action game's NGschizo. Welcome back.
>>739789930Monsters that may or may not be stealthily following (you) waiting for a chance.
>>739784040I'm playing 007 First Light, it's pretty and kinda good. Hitman-lite but with a story and for the first time ever decent melee combat. Hopefully a sequel opens up the game a bit more for more creative stealth segments like Hitman but keeping the highly interactive melee (interactive with the world that is).Definitely worth the 45 dollars I paid for the PC deluxe edition on Steam.
so how does one go about purchasing the new Hitman trilogythese faggots should be in jail for how complicated they made all this
>>739784040MGS, Dishonored, and Tenchu are garbage.
>>739789930The genre is so forgotten. My only wish is that one is actually good.
>>739789930I want a new Thief game that respects the originals' level design without making the character an overpowered magic assassin like Dishonored
>>739789930Fear mechanics, better implemented than Arkham. Like, the more suddenly something happens, the more a guard is surprised by it and doesn't react in time. If guards slowly see or hear their buddies die or yell but they never actually see you do anything, a hidden fear count goes up for them, making them more cautious but also slower, more likely to get startled, etc. And of course, later on in the game you start finding more and more elite guards, who have a higher tolerance for all this and different reactions.>>739790336I'm not a Thief schizo, I mentioned before but I barely played any of them I just recognise that they're good stealth games. The actual game I'm a schizo for is Shinobido.>>739790786Just pirate it man.>>739790921How so? They all play quite differently, what would you say is the unifying point that makes them garbage?>>739791351Same. I recently started a new Dishonored 2 playthrough and I refused the powers and ngl the game feels so much more fun now. I think I like being a more conventional assassin than a supernatural one, especially considering all the tools you get in this game.
>>739784040what the fuck
>>739791748I found this pic on SteamgridDB. Here's the full image, is it not original?
Post your favorite stealth tracks!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSQcY89SSc
>>739791664>ShinobidoI tried playing that yesterday but the controls were painful. R1 to sneak but if you get anywhere near a wall you stick to it and you can't detach without letting go of R1 which makes you stand up and be visible? Also it constantly tries to auto rotate the camera as you move around, feels like I'm constantly fighting it. Whenever you do a stealth kill it leaves the camera pointing in a random direction. The camera rotation is painfully slow too. Other than that it seems good, like a more developed tenchu.
>>739791837it's probably an AI upscaling, this is the OG onecouldn't find something with better resolution
>>739789925Arkane is blatantly overhyped, but Dishonored 1 was acceptable. Deeply flawed game, but the artistic vision is here.
I apparently own Hitman 3, pretty sure I never actually bought it. I guess I got upgraded or something? It seems to be the complete game minus the DLC. Should I just use the Peacock local server instead of IOI's always online?
>>739791953Yeah it is janky as FUCK. The concept is amazing and the ideas behind the mechanics and premise are great but holy fuck if yoy haven't been playing it all your life like me the controls suck ass. Even if you are like the controls still suck, you just know how to work with them.>>739791990Ah damn mb, I was just looking for decent character portraits of these guys that were official, and struggled to find a decently high res one for Garrett.While I'm here, you guys know any promising prospects in the indie scene? I mentioned Ninja Game by kusoge but I don't think he's working on it anymore. There's also Brush Burial and it's multiple sequels, but those seem to be more imsim than stealth? I played the first one, got to the puzzle part and lost interest. Tried the demos for the other ones, the takedowns are really erotic but it is quite tough. Those are the only indies I can think of.
>>739785185its ok
>>739791935dunno about my fav but I like tenchu z's ost the most out of the tenchu games
>>739794545Little goblin dude is such a cool idea for a stealth character.
I recommend Watch Dogs pacifism. You would be shocked how incorrectly playing the game makes it 5x better. For the original, you can be a pacifist around 90% of the time. There are a few moments where you're forced to shoot a bad guy to get in or out of a building. In the sequel, the entire game can be played as a pacifist. There is a mod that disables the OP gadgets/weapons here.https://www.nexusmods.com/watchdogs2/mods/74I think Legion would have been better than 2 had it not been for the pointlessly large map. Majority of the game will be spent travelling rather than stealth. It still scratches a certain itch if you enjoy the pacifist gameplay of 1 and 2. They have a DLC that brings back Aiden from the first game, but it's more like terrorism than pacifism. Even though traversing the big map is boring, I have to admit that the AI is rather great. Every single NPC has friends, families, jobs, and a schedule. If you accidentally run over an NPC, there is a chance you just pissed off your operative because that was his wife. If a generic guard defeats your operative, that guard will get promoted, changing his armor to something stronger. Overall, I'd recommend avoiding the pointless Ubislop side content if you want to enjoy any of these games. Do not be fooled into thinking the maps have anything interesting to offer you. Your basic loadout is more than plenty to complete any Watch Dogs game.
>>739789930either supernatural/scifi abilities or non human enemies, monsters, robots. vanilla line of sight human guard stealth is just too contrived for me to really be excited for it anymore. knocking out blind deaf guards isn't exciting as a concept anymore
>>739789925Dishonored wasn't trying to be Thief, you'd think the magic powers, pistols, grenades etc. would clue people on to that.
>>739799117it was literally meant to be Thief 4https://youtu.be/ZVq0af9DwPU?t=570
>>739785185I only played the first Styx a long time ago, but I would say it's a 3/5 stealth game but a 5/5 climbing/traversal game. If you like climbing pillars and ceiling beams and ledges and finding routes, you'll love it, if you want complex guard interactions you'll find it basic.
>>739789930Enemy battle plans. Start with the basics like enemies running for help or sounding the alarm, then follow up with "if the alarm is sounded, fall back to positions X, Y, and Z" "raise the drawbridge" "escort the VIP to the safe room". You could get a lot more creative than that. Basically I want level-scale reactions to your actions and mistakes.
>>739799226It started off as Thief and then became its own game, just like Metal Gear on the NES, which was supposed to be a normal shooter
>>739784040Of these three franchises I've played games in the Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Solid, and the Tenchu series. I'd be up for playing the other three one day. Especially the first Thief. Splinter Cell for me wins here as far as stealth gameplay goes. I guess MGS story and characters is more memorable but I thought the SC games had surprisingly decent storylines desu. Tenchu was quite fun. Lets hope Fromsoftware brings it back.
how come more stealth games dont use light/shadow mechanics like splinter cell? its a relatively easy mechanic to implement.
>>739799226Just like how Sekiro was meant to be Tenchu originally
>>739800991because it's a contrived unnatural idea. it can work but you shouldn't expect other devs to use it by default.
>>739791935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKE_HULnu4
Anyone played Sir Kicksalot yet? It's short but a lot of fun.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2629230/The_Adventures_of_Sir_Kicksalot/
My biggest pet peeve about the stealth genre is how the protagonist sticks out like a sore thumb. Historically, spies and ninjas blended in by dressing like normal people.
>>739801127This is not true at all. Its simply because the stealth genre isn't really much of a thing anymore outside of indie developed games. So there is no need to implement most of SC ideas into any game.>>739800991I wish these games handled health differently. Even on hard you are too tanky. Should have had very little health to make getting caught more punishing.
>>739803391In Splinter Cell there was some bullshit about his suit being so dark that it fully blends in to darkness or whatever. I don't remember the full details but they do at least explain it even if its absurd. Also his goggles do not glow bright within the lore of the game. That was only done for player feedback. You aren't wrong about what you said but really what else could be done? Games are about identifiable characters. Even at the cost of logic or realism.
>>739805530>In Splinter Cell there was some bullshit about his suit being so dark that it fully blends in to darkness or whateveIt's a real thing though. Look up Vantablack.
>>739794141Damn, shame about Ninja Game, I actually really liked that one when I tried the demo during next fest.
>>739806263>The outer layer of the Kevlar was treated with a polymer fiber similar to the coating on stealth aircraft: matte-black, slightly rough to the touch for maximum light absorption. The micro-roughened exterior partially defuses light. Basically about 30% of whatever photons strike the surface gets trapped, if only for a split second, but enough to diffuse them. Bottom line: The suit allows the user to blend in with the shadows and darkness very well.Thing is he doesn't always wear this suit in some missions but there is the explanation.
>>739806263I didn't find anything, must've been the wind.
For me, it's Hitman: World of Assassination.Not only my favorite stealth game, but my favorite game period, I must have spent thousands of hours on it over the course of 10 years, since 2016 when they first dropped the Paris level.And I'm still playing it regularly.
>>739799495In Phantom Pain if enemies know you're sneaking around at night they'll shoot flares to illuminate the area.
>>739789404IV2 was much better mechanically as a game but it lacked "one last stand" missions. Imagine if you had some massive shootout against unlimited and increasingly harder enemies in the Sean bad ending
>>739806512He doesn't? Like when?
>>739784040I appreciate devs from the past figuring out different ways to approach stealth games, nowadays most games use the same simplified sanded off blueprint.
>>739785185not sure which one I played but I found it too stiff, I didn't like the level design and didn't cared enough about the world to invest more time.
>>739789930more stealth games like chaos theory, there's only 2 games like it, just like re4 and ac4 black flag
>>739790681No
>>739806598Understood, return to your positions, tighten security.
>>739800991It's in Intravenous 2 but it's a problem in new 3D games because how light works in those game
>>739806726Id imagine you finished all the freelancer shit?
>>739789930Acoustics simulation. Leaving footsteps as a result of tracking in snow, blood, mud, shit, gravel dirt from the rain.on realistic difficulty enemies reaction to shadowsCrouch walking extremely limited
I've played through T1, T2 and T2X this year on my deck. I'm just finishing up my playthrough of Deus Ex HR then I'm gonna go play T3 then TBP.
Gameplay trailer for project shadowglass looks nice.If you can get into the art style, it looks like another spiritual successor to thief.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOg8SZmYQr0
>>739789930Some anon was prototyping a Thief clone with the MC having some magic abilities, but I haven't seen him post in forever. What he showed looked fantastic.
>>739812795Yes and since I use Peacock to play mostly offline, I can also freely reset my progress in both main game and Freelancer and do it all over again infinitely, which I already did
I think this is fun.
>>739784040Would you count the Bam Ham games as stealth in their Predator sections?
>>739820805It's awesome.DLC is good, but the focus is clearly on melee+ magic. There's one bow and a crossbow to find, still.
>when you realize the thi4f we got was the best we couldkeep in mind game had a scoring system for kills only couple of months prior to going gold, and headshots rewarded the most points.
>>739784040Absolute fucking PEAK.
>>739784040I love mgs, both as a stealth game and a game overall, but SCCT is the only actual best stealth game ever made. Hitman isn't really stealth and before BM it was jank stealth that would result in a firefight anyways. Thief 2 would come close but I can't judge since I didn't play it
>>739785272When I saw the trailer I was really, really skeptical since A) They tried spinning conventional stealth mechanics as "reinventing the stealth genre" and B) They advertised 4 hours of content.But then I saw that the game is actually like 5 bucks so hey, not bad at all, I might pick it up with a friend
>>739789404IV sucks you can't change my mind
>>739805530>Also his goggles do not glow bright within the lore of the game.Anyone who ever played Spy vs Merc in PT/CT for some time should be fully aware of this just from Merc gameplay alone.
>>739822196For SC, yes.
>>739822682Blood Money put down so much shit, but Hitman 2 will probably forever be my favorite in the series.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghXl6fGjSNc
>>739825917bizarre thing is you can hear baldur's gate in the theme
>>739789404nice "stealth"
>>739827604problem with top down is that half the stuff happens off the edge of the screen. The most important area to look is just off screen. It's really uncomfortable. This game would be 10x better in 3rd or 1st person
>>739806726>For me, it's Hitman: World of Assassination.what sticks with me was the retarded way to get everything if you already owned any of the new hitman trilogy. they needlessly complicated it.
>>739828548Works on my machineI also have more than 2 brain cells btw, not sure if that matters
>>739827604You can turn off lights and dance around and abuse AI in most games with light mechanics, including the best Splinter Cell games, you cherry-picking fucking retard.
>>739790681I agree. It plays like an evolved Blacklist and has lots of options for approaching scenarios. I was ready for it to play like slop, and in a sort of way it does because it still has a "modern" touch in how the hard edges are filed down, but the game is actually fun.
>>739833169There are almost no options anywhere in the game. Every stealth segment is just a couple rooms, usually in a straight line.
>>739833543Did you not get past the tutorial or the club scene?
>>739822682>Thief 2 would come close but I can't judge since I didn't play itYou should fix that immediately
