This is the dark timeline.

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>>739945694
I'm struggling to think of any time where a developer or anyone else in the gaming industry posting on their personal twitter account had a positive outcome.

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>27 Jul 13

>>739945694
Convinced every indie dev from that era got a free ride. Started playing fez recently and it's fine, but it would be immediately forgotten if it came out in today's market. Some of the games from then were genuinely very good and worthy of the praise, but others not so much.

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>>739946805
>Convinced every indie dev from that era got a free ride
It's the "fans" of these games that get a free ride while expecting the developer to continue updating it with updates at no cost for the next 29561954 years.

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>>739947254
Who asked for an update to fez?

>>739947254
The devs that do this do it to themselves, just don't update the game if you don't want to. Giving shit away for free is what almost killed yacht club recently as well. Scope creep is a bitch and it's mainly the inexperience of these developers that causes it.

>>739947948
>Scope creep is a bitch and it's mainly the inexperience of these developers that causes it.
TRVTHNVKE

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>>739945694
>13 years ago
I've been here too long.

>>739945694
I still remember /v/ collectively shitting on Phil Fish
I wonder what he's doing right now

>>739947948
I think for a lot of them, they're enjoying the spotlight of having a bunch of "friends" that are interested in their project for the first time and don't know when to draw a line.

>>739948805
Yeah that too, there's also a degree of wanting to be nicer than the AAA companies who always paywall shit or some delusion about nobly suffering for the perfection of your art, both of which end up leading to making poor decisions in the long-term

>>739945694
this nigga probably didn't even code the game. he was likely just the marketing face of the game because he's extraverted.

>>739946182
Kek

I guess devs just need to accept that their constituents are largely malicious ingrates. Helps to have personal experience with a family member who has BPD. Once you start to expect the unexpected, it makes it a lot easier to deal with shocking stupidity without a knee-jerk reaction. The only cost is that you begin flirting with becoming insane yourself on a regular basis,

>>739946037
2013 was only 7 years ago..

>>739945694
#BeerBatteredFish

>>739947948
I am working in Unity to make a game I really want to play.
You faggots will not see it until it's ready to release.

Basically it's fantasy XCOM. You have a Tower, you have your soldiers. They have a race. They gave a class. You have an evil unread lord sending enemies from Not-Mordor, and you have to fuck with his plans through your elite team.

Some of the critique I've gotten on Discord is that there isn't much to do in the Tower, your home base. I added home base defence missions that let you field every soldier you have. They said they wanted more to do *in* the base at peacetime, not understanding that peacetime means there's no game because the game is called "Tactical Fantasy Operations"

It gets to the point where you gotta ignore some feedback and just make the game.

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>>739946805
>Convinced every indie dev from that era got a free ride
They absolutely did. What's worse: They immediately moved to try to make Japanese indie devs lives harder despite the fact Japanese Indies existed far longer than indie games in the west have.

The entire western indie scene was a concerted effort from a bunch of retards who couldn't cut it in the industry from being too egotistical and formed a gigantic clique that directly lead to gamergate.

>>739946182
A more accurate analog would be
>99% of people like red apples? I'm going to hire a consultant firm that tells me to make brown apples, never question them, add worms to my brown apples, then call everyone a chud if they don't want to spend 70 dollars on my AAA brown, worm-filled apples!

>>739949618
That's fucking cool anon, keep developing the game you have in mind and not what outside redditors want your game to be (they probably want peacetime operations so they can date the operators)

>>739948434
He really turned into a massive cunt I was glad he died desu

>>739945694
So many jewish attempts to reopen old controversies on /v/ lately.
You wish you could have more Gamergate to legitimize more targeting of gamer culture.

>>739949618
>It gets to the point where you gotta ignore some feedback and just make the game.
This is true of feedback and critique of anything actually, not just games. You kinda have to extrapolate potential improvements out of what they say and decide for yourself if it's a fit for what you're making, rather than implement what they want exactly. A lot of amateur writers get stung by this when they get people to read their rough drafts.

>>739946182
>I'm giving away free apples
>that's rotten, I wanted a fresh apple
>nobody said you had to get a free apple, entitled much?

2 months later
>wtf how did I go bankrupt?? my friend all said my apples were great

If you ever thought dumb food analogies were /v/ culture, behold and despair at the dumbest defense of a flopped game ever. At least the ratio here is amusing.

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I have no business being here and I want to thank you all for showing me where I'm at...

>>739949618
>It gets to the point where you gotta ignore some feedback and just make the game
Based, that's the exact mentality you need to have. If you've got a clear vision and path to achieve it then it'll turn out well. Any genuinely good suggestions you can easily shelve for a DLC or sequel too. Best of luck with the game anon.

>>739946805
Phil got a Canadian government grant, some additional funds from Trapdoor and I think won a cash award at IGF. Tale of Tales, another particularly infamous pretentious studio from the time, also got governmental arts and culture grants as well as museum commissions. A lot of indies from that time liked to LARP as struggling artists, but really weren't.

>>739945694
This is the game where I realised death of an author is important.

>>739945694
I remember this guy being an insufferable faggot.

>>739948805
>>739947948
Honestly well said. Don't make more game than you want to. If players don't like it, fuck em, you made a game and it sold well, you don't have any obligation beyond fixing anything that breaks.

>>739949624
You're thinking of Zoe Quinn and the vocal minority of fuckups that had to use Indie Game the Movie just to sell their games years after release because they couldn't make anything more than a one hit wonder, other than McMillen who actually is capable of making games. Plenty of other indie studios like Behemoth, Supergiant, and Re-Logic survived that era by continuing to work instead of trying to survive forever by releasing a $20 game in 2008 with no other work planned.

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>>739950764
You remember correctly.

>>739951123
He didn't even make Fez. He stole the co-developer's code and axed him before the game was even out. Fish couldn't code for shit, so there was no hope for Fez 2 in the first place because the guy who made Fez 1 didn't even get paid for it.

>>739951909
Eh, he did work with a coder who mostly knew how to code, but yeah Phil definitely stole some shit from the original co-developer.

>>739949618
Based

God I love reading these miniature dev logs. Gives me hope for the future.

>>739951112
She was a part of that group, but Fuck Fish and John Blowjob were very explicitly part of that anti-Japanese group of indie devs that got high off of their farts and actively colluded to make their shit not stink. Early indie devs outside of the programmer types like Derek Yu, Edward Mcmillen and Brendon Chung (who tended to be more talented and make better games) were all just grown up theater kids

>>739949631
Brown apple is slang for horse shit

>>739946182
Green apples do mog red apples though've

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>>739945694
it's pretty funny that games are now putting fez clones into their games

>>739948673
Sucking my dick. CHOKING on it.

>>739946182
>food analogy

>>739950836
There are plenty of examples where the devs knew when to call it quits too. Robo Quest i think is the shining example. I'ts feature and content complete and despite there being a vast demand for more, they moved on and practically just put out a little patch to help even out multiplayer functionality.

fez 1 was a pretty cool game.

>>739946182
If it was really like that then no one would ever be mad about anything.

>>739954179
Based

>>739949618
You better come up with something more original than "Tactical Fantasy Operations" because that's the most generic slop name I've read in a long time.

There's still things you can do at the base outside of battling. There are entire games dedicated to managing military bases.

>>739945694
>2013
culture stagnation is a bitch, its astonishing of how little shit has changed

>>739949823
20 years ago i remember him catching bans for derailing threads on SA. Guy just wants to be the center of attention.

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>>739948434
>GET CANCER AND DIE
>gets asshole cancer himself, and dies
uhhh. based? or something?

>>739949618
what aren't you getting, people want dialogs with the characters standing around in the tower, maybe some basic decoration options. think dark brotherhood sanctums in elder scrolls.

>>739956141
Title tells me everything I need to know about the game and has piqued my interest.

>>739949618
I mean if it's like xcom wouldn't upgrading shit be the way to go? Also it would be nice if you let the player talk to some people inside, kinda like dragon commander.
What kind of fantasy is it, in terms of races and worldbuilding? More tolkienesque, more warcraft or something like duelyst or malazan?

>>>/trash/

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>>739945694

>>739956294
He also piggybacked most of his viewership via suckling onto larger creators and then barely ever did collabs when his viewerships stabilized. I think it's most apparent what kind of person he really was when Crendor visited his apartment, it's kind of crazy Cynicalbrit ever did garner the kind of attention he did. I guess combining popular content with then grifting along the PC/hardware discussion proved lucrative. Karma is a bitch though, had it coming.

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>>739945694
While "suck my dick, choke on it" will forever be fucking hilarious, I will give him his due respect for never backing down on Fez 2. I can't imagine it was far along in development at all but Fez was an indie darling and Fez 2 would've sold well just off of that name recognition alone, enough to make up damn near any budget. Still probably would to this day even, and yet he never went back on his word to make it. He hasn't even been in a game outside of "Special Thanks" since Fez. I gotta give him respect for that much, at least.

>>739956867
>Crendor visited his apartment

Qrd? I also remember him having a meltie over Hatred.

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>>739945967
>The pope thinks forced labor and prostitution are new forms of slavery.

>>739957137
Basically Crendor made a video of his fridge which half-accidentally showcased his slop consumption habits that likely attributed to his health issues. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3ZdFepBHY) Despite the fridge thing being a sort of humorous thing from what i gathered is that the relations in Co-Optional cast had been quite tense for a long while as most guests felt like the entirety of the podcasts purpose seemed to largely be to prop up Totalbiscuits channel. The other issue that didn't help is that basically after marrying his channel with Co-Optional after it was klepped from Polaris he then fucked off to focus on his "WTF is...?" series and technical rants instead of helping run the podcast. Obviously once he died and his wife took over, the podcast simply fizzled out as it didn't any longer serve any purpose on propping up Totalbiscuits brand. I've also always just found his content distasteful and practically easily identifiable as one of the earliest grifters in the Youtuber/Podcast industry. He was horseshit at playing most of the games he got into and most of his actual gameplay never got much traction, but by god did the people around him and (along with the industry) love the living shit out of him for all the wrong reasons.

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thanks for giving me an excuse to post this again

>>739948434
His horrible Titanfall 2 review and the subsequent video he put out bashing anyone who dared criticize him for it were a testament to who he actually was

>>739958403
this hellhole of a website hasn't changed one bit from over 10 years ago

>>739945967
social media opens everyone's eyes to things they didn't even think about before. it unironically killed the internet. they also encourage people to use their real names. just all around a terrible influence. Banning all social media wouldn't honestly be a bad thing.

>>739958403
I love the "fuckibg" misspelling, you can tell he was fucking pissed

>>739958480
what a resting bitch face this greedy fuck has

>>739948434
oof

>>739957754
I didn't know anything about him other than his WTF series and his insistence on 60 fps gameplay and the FOV slider meme.

It seems to me like most of his talking points were surface level but managed to convince people they were deeper because he was so confident. Also there wasn't much out there like what he did at the time.

>never backpedaled and made it later
I respect that.

>>739949823
I remember he banned someone from Coxcon for asking "Are traps gay?" at a panel.
He was friends with Laura Kate Dale in his final years so maybe that had something to do with it.

>>739947254
Fans are perfectly happy with just buying GAME 2 instead of playing the same game they bought 10 years ago that get updated so much it's not even the same game anymore

>>739958702
This was definitely the most surreal shit to happen at the time. Zoomers don't understand the shift that occurred immediately following this.

>>739959272
Damn this is a good one.

>>739958940
Based tb. Throwing out a faggot memer directly from 4chud

>>739958830
>Also there wasn't much out there like what he did at the time.
Yes there was, it's just that they didn't have a third of his viewership and even then he used these tech talks to neglect the people who put him in that position in the first place. The Polaris split in particular was kind of egregious because it technically put a lot of people in his circle out of a chance to grow so stuff like Holodeck and Tableflip both had to go with the Polaris merger and kill their viewership as a result. Instead of creating his own brand and company and helping the creators that were part of the bigger sphere (especially ones which had a revolving door for Totalbiscuit as a guest) he just protected the bottom-line and made sure to salvage his immidiate channel by saying that they departed due to "disagreements between Polaris and himself in creative direction" In short, he made sure the competition went down with Polaris who were contractually obligated to stick to a sinking ship financially. It was one dick of a move, but likely one that never got called out as much as it should have been, largely because the guy had a cult following at the time.

>>739958952
It's fucking hilarious the effect it had on discourse that we are still seeing years later. It's impossible to understate how much it fucked up everything forever.
It just saddens me to think about, more than anything.

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>>739945694

If it wasn't for /v/ living in the past, I would of forgotten all about fez

>>739958702
12 years later and a large chunk of the industry is still operating on that assumption

>>739951112
Phil Fish was part of Gamergate due to the whole IGF fiasco. GG wasn't just about Zoe Quinn.

>>739958952
i find it really interesting how i stopped playing video games at around this time and wasn't aware of the timeline shift at all that occurred this year. I could've never came back and video games, in my mind, would've still been of the "hetero" culture of the >2014 years forever. But yeah in 2014 the powers that be in this timeline decided to implode the gaming industry from the inside out. Sad.

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>"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."

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>>739948632
>Gamergate was 12 years ago

>>739959556
Even worse were all of the bots released on the internet that now they're quite literally incapable of doing anything about because they can no longer distinguish them. May as well just pull the plug on the entire thing.

>>739959740
And so it was that everyone stuck to their 360

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>>739945694
>2013
Time flies

>>739945694
Who the fuck is this even? Wtf is FEZ II?

>>739959740
It's insane how fucking bad this killed the Xbox brand. They just never recovered from it. But honestly, I feel like this had much more to do with godawful naming conventions and Halo dying than much else.

>>739949975
Millennial uncs are starting to get senile and just parrot their childhood memories aimlessly.

>>739945694
>historical moments in video games
i don't know how impactful or historical can this moment be but the moment nintendo said "fuck the e3 i'm doing my own videos posting them my own schedule"

>>739957220
He added those to have plausible deniability when naming what israel has been doing for decades

>>739945694
>canceled
What are the odds that it was never in development in the first place?

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>>739958702
If only Zoe Quinn doesn't exist, then GamerGate wouldn't exist. But it's too late.

And now you got Alyssa Mercante that wants to be like Zoe Quinn and making a book about GamerGate.

>>739949618
People want a break from the tension in between missions, not knowing that the "Quit Game" button is right there.

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>>739948434
heh heh

>>739945694
Should have been nicer to the guy.

>>739948434
Oh, Le irony..

>>739949618
I liked the little blurbs that dudes in Xenonauts would give you about stuff sometimes.

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>>739945694
>>739949624
>>739951123
This video about Phil Fish & FEZ is still hilarious on that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewc2xKGkyc0

>>739945694
All he had to do was just get off of twitter, why was that so hard?

>>739947254
Why didn't he just put it on steam in the first place? Wtf is desura??

>>739961920
Who cares if phil didn't code and was just the idea guy? That's what all ceos are. None of them code anything, they just plan and manage. That tuber sounds a bit jealous and hateful, if you ask me..

>>739958403
>fish
>gets caught
Jesus Christ, the lazy writers are at it again

>>739945694
I didnt mind. Fez 1 wasnt very good. Needing to translate his glyphs and scan or codes to beat the game was a stupid idea.

>>739962476
Thats almost as pathetic as Brian wu attacking himself on steam discussions and forgetting to change to his sock puppet account

>>739962726
Or cry about it so hard the FBI does an investigation that shows death threats coming from his own IP

>>739962726
isn't he also the one who was editing wikipedia articles citing himself as a source

>>739951909
Fish also purposely held out on releasing the game in order to build up a bunch of concurrent rewards. And he ran around the same circles that Zoe did/does. Yes, that Zoe.

>>739950074
Why do boomers suck the dick of this unfunny fag?

>>739960109
Because of Afroman, the utube algorithm gives me shitloads of sad police brutality incidents. >_<

>>739949618
i mean just copy rest of tried and true from x-com. have "geoscape" layer similar to UFO where there's some kind of threats available to hunt, research for spells and equipment for your heroes, manufacture for equipment for your heroes

>>739959740
I wish I could be paid millions to be this bad at my job

>>739959740
>here's our new vidya console bros
>TV SHOWS
>MOVIES
>TV SHOWS
>KINECT
>KINECT
>KINECT
>MORE TV SHOWS

everything about that presentation was a disaster, him making ridiculous comments like that was just the icing on the cake

>>739958403
I remember that time I made a thread for a game that just came out (a mistake I never repeated) and people started hating on it for some reason and coincidentally the dev ended up in the thread.
The end result was hilarious because he kept responding to the hate and was pissed off

>>739963863
It was insanely bad but so funny. That E3 was a wild ride.

>>739963863
he would have been onto something if tv wasn’t already dead for like 7 years at that point. seriously no games and you’re focusing on forcing a medium that no one is gonna use on xbox? what fucking drugs was he taking?

>>739945694
>Andy Kaufman avatar

what a cunt

>>739963863
forgot
>SPORTS SLOP

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>>739961920
go back to dunking on manlytears

>>739964265
>t. Jerry Lawler

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>>739960278
To be fair they never actually tried to recover from it. Phil can cope all he likes that "we lost the worst gen when everyone was building up their digital library" and "exclusives don't sell consoles", but Nintendo going from the flopping Wii U to the overnight success of the Switch proves he's a retard.

>>739964418
lol

>>739964235
the ps3 having a blu ray player spooked them so much for some reason that they decided to utterly ruin everything
at least that's the only explanation I can think of for why they would want to make it a TV shitbox. It was also when shit like netflix was exploding in popularity

>>739958702
This was the moment I realized that Freedom of the Press should not be protected

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Guess the year.

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>>739945694

>Another twitter thread
You deserve what you get.

>>739949823
>turned into
no, he was always like that
if you grew up in england during that same timeframe, you knew dozens of annoying cunts who behaved exactly like him

>>739960278
I had and loves my original Xbox and 360, but when he said that (and when they tried to launch with always online, no lending/trading/selling games, kinect pre-installed, etc.,) I gave up on the brand. Then they apologized by saying "We're sorry you're not READY for the FUTURE," I never bought another Xbox, and never will. They showed what they wanted, and even after they walked it all back I couldn't trust them to not just update it some day and force it all back in after I'd bought the console.

>>739958702
>ew, a dedicated fanbase is cringe
>wtf why aren't games selling guaranteed millions
this was such a widespread opinion around that time, too. just delet customer and new customer will fill the gap like when you stomp in shallow water and it makes a temporary gap

>>739963067
yes
also claimed the moon was an important military asset because you can drop rocks on earth from it

Phil Fish set the bar for indie dev "STOP BOTHERING ME, I HAVE A LIFE TO LIVE" even though all you asked was "it's been five months, was just wondering if you had anything new to share" crashouts.

>>739964925
any time a company uses the "wow I guess you just hate progress" excuse you know you are dodging a bullet

>>739948434
LUL

>>739964925
exact same situation here. a friend got an xbone and we tried to play perfect dark on rare replay, it wouldn't let us because we couldn't get the temporary 2nd player account to work at all like it would have on the original XBLA version. eventually he was only using it for netflix and before too long he wasn't even using it for that

>>739945694
>Canadian Hideki Kamiya

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>>739964510
>exclusives don't sell consoles
What the hell was he smoking when he said this?
Exclusives are the lifeblood of any console, always have been.

>>739964510
>but Nintendo going from the flopping Wii U to the overnight success of the Switch proves he's a retard.
This is not the example to use to drive home that point lol the Switch basically had a library of Wii U games and third party ports.

>>739964643
Any year the jew exists

>>739966592
On release day like 90% of the fucking catalog was dark souls ii threads

weird to think about how much bigger elden ring was

>>739946182
>>739949631
both of these are....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtutLA63Cp8