https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTVVw9fsHVA
https://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/dw3-re/uk/characters/ official character art
>>740142795>cow cowbased
>Switch 2 pre-order is absentTendies can't catch a break.I can't wait to unlock Cow Cow's 4th weapon on the first level.
Look I'm not trying to toot my own horn but you know that Gan Ning player that was at the top of the leaderboards? That was me. He's too much for you, you should stick with Lu Bu, shitters
Too bad DW3 era movements are so basic and boring compared to even DW4.
>>740143445At least I get to ride a horse in DW3
>Named Huang Gai>Has massive cockmakes sense to me
>>740142795>we are now remastering DWOh boyFuck this gay earth
>>740142795>hammy dialogue is kept>Fuxi and Nuwa are in>Interchangeable characters in cutscenes backIt was these little things I hoped for and got.
DW3 had the best soundtrack. You just don't get butt rock like that anymore.
Can you still go into the cutscene viewer and replace any character with any character? I loved doing that as a kid and watching the intro a million times with different characters in different roles.
>>740144048Trailer confirms you can.
I never played DW3Gan Ning's added bit aside, is that all the original voice acting? Because that'd be ballsy and based as fuck
>>740144425looks to be the original terrible voice lines yeah, its based. can't wait for zhang jiao
there's something just a lil bit soulless about the grafics... must be the UE effect. still hype tho
>>740144425Original DW3 has english VA for voice lines but japanese voice for battle grunt.Seems like they reuse DW4 VA for english battle grunt.
>>740144425There's DW3 voices but some people have pointed out some of the soldiers yells were from other DW games. Also in the trailer Zhen Ji's musou attack yell was in English, in the original DW3 even in the dub version they yelled the musou attacks in their Japanese VA sounds. Also, since there are apparently brand new Legend stages being added, there's obviously no original voice lines for those.So right now it does seem a bit weird what's happening.
>>740144787i don't think its that weird, they kept the old lines in for the memes but updated the rest of the game to be fully translated
>>740143445That's not the problem, the real problem is if the archers are going to still be annoying to deal with in later stages.
>>740143235It'll be announced in the Nintenod Direct.
>>740142795as a rapidly aging unc I want to play a simple, grindy game like DW but I haven't played any except Ken's Rage a long time ago. I hope they do a remaster of the entire series. I don't want to jump in at #3
>>740145067anon they are all standalone, just emulate 5 or samurai warriors 2 or warriors orochi 3/4 and be off with it
Warriors's Abyss is the best recent DW
>>740145097Only if you buy the Origins DLC, which cost more than the base game. Outside of roster size, vanilla WA content is barebone as fuck.
>>740142795why do they call it a remaster when it's clearly a remake
She cute.I noticed the mooks have full normal strings, so it's somewhat closer to DW5?Lol @ really bringing back the original voices.>>740145685Nobody knows what those words mean anymore.>>740144907A lot of that was caused by stat scaling(your own defense stats gives more attack to enemies, but you need BOW DEFENSE to actually reduce damage from bows, so you are just making them stronger), surely they aren't crazy enough to put that system back?
>>740144496>Original DW3 voice actingI don't belieeeeeiiiive in maaaaagiiiiic but I hope this is true
>>740145852Heh, it feels like they un-lolified her.
>>740146498Definitely. But to be fair, she is 16, not 10.
>>740142795That was unexpected, but I'm sure as shit happy!
How is 9E?
>>740146912Was announced for a while now.
>>740142795I'm only disappointed that it isn't DW4. Since that's where Cao Ren and Zhou Tai made their debut.
>>740145852She looks cute but in DW3 she exists especially to delete healthbars extremely quickly, if you can aim her charge attacks
>>740142795This is the game where Sun Quan, Sun Jian, Dong Zhuo and Yuan Shao basically have the same movesets isn't it? I remember here they were all still using a sword with the C4 move being them turning their backs on the enemy in front and doing a reverse thrust with the sword.
>>740147285Yea. Many characters share motions.
>>740146620I only now realized this>160cm asian women in 3rd centuryThat's fucking gigantic
>>740143270He is ass in 3
you play your favorite characteri play faction leaders to start the game with a horse at level 1we are not the same
>>740147474He basically had the best musou attack in the game.
>>740144425The actual ballsy thing would be if they kept Da Qiao's victory upskirt.That was good faps back in the day.
>>740147461So much for the little girl jokes
I don't really see soldier classes, man. Just peons and normal soldiers
>>740147542thats guan yu or pang tong
>Giving vorpal to everythingYou won't do this, right?
>>740147474Average moveset, but like >>740147542 says, he had top 3 musous in the game due to no damage scale and hit huge numbers.Also, luchador Wei Yan coming back? Spinnaroony attack back on deck?Fucking yea.
>>740147609if it works exactly like DW3's version, there is basically no reason to not attach vorpal to every single thing.
>>740147593Pang Tong's was best for sheer damage, but wasn't what you wanted to clean house on a broad scale.
>>740143235Welp, I guess I will get the steam machine to play more games, which will not be available on Switch 2. I know it would be expensive, but I can play all games.
>>740147542DW3 Zhang Liao has the best musou attack because he's giving shoutout to Yamata.
>zhou yu gets his sword back instead of being stuck with a wukong nigger monkey pole
>>740147812YAMADAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
gonna play as my unproblematic fave zhang fei
>This guy will be an absolute pain in the ass to fight once againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzoLfIDOqQ
>>740148861>stands at a bridge>yells at youwhat do you do in this scenario?
>>740148929He's pretty easy in DW3 wdym.
>>740148979Swim
>>740148929
>>740148861Did nothing wrong. Those traitorous commanders deserved preemptive beatings.
>>740148979cut off his fucking head for being an asshole
I'M A SUN CE GUY.
i love how if you do any reading at all it makes the dw depictions of shu hilarious. like those guys were maybe the biggest assholes of all but they get to be the hero faction in the series lol
>>740145852>>740146498I wonder if the de-lolifying was intentional to appease the western fans who have been crying about the Qiao's for decades, or if it's just incidental
>>740149191maybe they just wanted to give her long sexy legs and bigger boobs
Wu's new Legend side story interests me the most. Looks like you are going to be fighting the combined forces of Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi. Then the Shu Legend stage seems to be if it was Shu that attacked He Fei instead of Wu. Wei's legend is the one I'm most iffy on. Looks like it's Chi Bi from Wei's perspective and doesn't Wei already have something like that either in original or the Xtreme Legends stages?
>>740149332never played it sorry, heard its mid though. sw4e is still the goat
>>740149191Hard to tell, Xiaoqiao isn't even physically a loli, that's her mannerisms if anything.
I instantly became a pang tong main when I first saw his musuo
>>740149514i always find him hard to use later in the series because his big fan is so awkward
>>740149426Yeah I never really considered either of the Qiaos to be "loli," which is why the chimping and screeching of >DA QIAOS NEED TO BE AGED UP! always made me scratch my head. They're on the same tier as like Yuffie from ff7 to me.
>>740142795>Dynasty Warriors 3: RemasteredWhat is even the point of this? Isn't every "new" DW basically a remaster/remake of the previous games?
>>740149657Different progression mechanics, art direction and atmosphere. It's hard to explain but they all really do feel distinct from each other bar the ones that are direct expansions i.e. 7->8
>>740149003>>740149060Is cheesing bow really the only way?
>>740149717Well, you can perfect evade and block now
>>740149131Sun Ce was a goddamn beast in DW3.The Ling Tong of his time.
>>740149703the levels are different in each game too, like most games have fan castle but all the fan castles play differently
Hope we get online co-op, but generally when I've played the ones with it they lower enemy count which is dogshit
>>740149750You could block back then, but Lu Bu would often guard crush.
>retro costumes as deluxe edition bonus>but wait aren't they already wearing the DW3 costu->it's the actual low poly PS2 modelsSheeeit, that's actually pretty interesting. You'll never get my money for something that used to be free unlockables in the old games though, Koei.
>>740149717Bow cheese, vorpal abuse(he isn't immune to taking very high damage from that, since it's percent-based) and AI exploits in general since DW3 AI is only dangerous due to how aggressive they are+attacking you in groups, but they are dumb as fuck individually.
>>740149809I just know just from that the floodgates are open for costumes from the other games to be DLC. I mean this is Koei we're talking about.
>>740149809The original unlockable costumes from 3XL are in the game still, they accidentally uploaded Nuwa's alt to the official site instead of her default.
>>740149809>deluxe edition bonusSo if i choose to be a stubborn old man and buy the physical ps5 disc, i get nothing?
Why specifically 3?
>>740149798I mean perfect block -> counterThe issue in the original is low level characters can't flinch him so there's no safe way to deal damage up close
>>7401499694 is already perfect
>>740149921Does this mean Lu Bu's dynasty tactics costume (his best look) will be in the game. I think that was in XL.
>>740149961No idea, But Koei Tecmo always does Treasure Box editions for their games in Japan and they love physical there.
Since this game is in Unreal Engine 5, modding will probably be effortless for those who know how. So expect SSX, Zhen Ji, Zhu Rong etc to get some, well, interesting modded outfits.
>>740150149>The Officer Concept Art Collection can be checked from the in-game database.>The Officer Concept Art Collection cannot be downloaded as a separate file (such as PDF), nor can it be viewed outside of the game.>The producer comments in the Officer Concept Art Collection are written in Japanese only.The gallery is locked in-game and you need DLC to unlock it. Sasuga Koei Tecmo. Still, I might get the base game since it's pretty reasonable priced.
Some thoughts>1I hope they release the nanman campaign as a demo, just like the original. And it should include all the gameplay toggle settings shown in the OP so we can see how faithful to the original it can feel.>2I don't understand why they've faithfully recreated all the characters, added all the toggle options to disable new mechanics, but then NOT recreate the original peon rank designs & generic officer designs. They were the best in the series.>3I hope they've gotten rid of the enemy stat scaling. If you don't know, in DW3 the higher the players defence, the higher the enemy troops attack stat, and the higher your attack stat the higher the enemies defence stat. It's not really a problem for the player, but your allies DONT scale, meaning their off-screen battles take longer to win when they have a morale advantage, and they lose even faster when at a disadvantage.
>>740150149I just got reminded about the item grind in this game
>>740150293I think the fusion feature might ease that off a little.
>standard edition actually pretty darn cheap>deluxe edition is almost twice the price for a few items you can get just by playing and the OG character modelswtf is with koei's pricing
>>740142795Dynasty Warriors has too much glorified animal abuse/cruelty
>>740150464In 3 you can't harm animals.
Origins on a good sale when?
>>740149809>>740149904Retro Red Hare saddle is also a preorder bonus>An item that allows you to begin battles mounted on Red Hare (Retro).>Notes>Red Hare, which can be obtained by playing the game, has higher stats than Red Hare (Retro).>This content may become available for purchase or for free separately at a later date.
>>740149657DW3 is the direct successor to DW2 but DW3, 4 and 5 are quite different from each other.DW3 has peons that are both aggressive and do solid damage on you. Not to mention archers with pin point accuracy that shoot fast.DW4 has duel, smaller skirmishes as stages, and peons that REALLY want to knock you off the horse.DW5 has lobotomized peons but much more character driven for the story mode.
>>740150846>Not to mention archers with pin point accuracy that shoot fast.Was always fun the way the bowmen actually staggered their shots to keep you in hitstun.
>Use extra weapons as materials to transfer their elemental properties and skills to other weapons. Craft your own ultimate weapons!
>>740151282>Turn the new features added to this game on or off. There are also two presets that can be used: Classic Settings, which are closer to the original DYNASTY WARRIORS 3, and Normal Settings, which are the recommended settings.
Somehow feels like there's less particle effects compared to the original during the True Musou bullet time sequences.
>>740150281>but your allies DONT scaleOh that's the joke. They do, inversely.Your allies are squishier if your player character is stronger, which leads to the infamous Yiling massacre scenario since you have endgame stats+morale disadvantage+all officers engaged in battle as soon the map starts.
>>740142795they definitely bumped up the enemy count but at the same time it doesn't look like you get the same amount of KO count you usually get by the time you finish a stage in the new oneskinda confused how they do that
>>740151282>10 slots
>>740149921will they get their Orochi looks? Orochi Nuwa is s
>>740151456There's also some versus mode stuff listed on the site that has the KO count goals really low despite everything we've seen. Time Attack is still "KO 100 enemies" and a VS mode battle that says "whoever gets 20 KOs first wins". And then you'll see a different gameplay screenshot like this and you're just left scratching your head.
>>740149921Weirdly enough it displays green but thumbnails blue. Witchcraft.
>>740142795looks good but having recently emulated the original games, 4 + 5 are just objective upgrades with more characters and the existing characters having more unique movesets and weaponsi guess 3 is more beloved because it was the most transformative DW but it wasn't the best
>>740151405Ally stats don't change. They're squishier because the enemies scale up with the player while allies stay the same.
>>740151282Is it going to go to the Xtreme Legends 5th weapon or the original game's 4th?
>>740145852Dont post my wife
>>740152051>muh bigger roster4 has shit tiny battlefields and really kicked off the "your allies are utterly useless and your army is 1/5th the size of the enemy" design focus. Yes 2 & 3 also had your allies being weaker, but 4 really ramped it up.And 5 kicked off peons being useless fodder, and also ramped up the stage event spam which are 80% just to fuck with the player and make all your morale gains pointless by spawning in more 8 star morale enemy officers or whatever.
>>740152263I could hear you coughing blood through the screen here
>>740152063>Ally stats don't changeI understand your logic there, but not sure if your allies aren't affected.
>>740152332>"your allies are utterly useless and your army is 1/5th the size of the enemy" design focus.Because killing officers in DW4 nets you zero morale gain but grinding peons still do. DW3 is the opposite. DW2 and DW5 has both.
>>740152332I'll always remember 4 for how badly the enemy stats inflated as you got stronger and the only real way to get Level 10 weapons was to reset your character back to level 1 and do it fresh. Also the worst most horrible Nanman Campaign in the history of ever.
>>7401523323 feels terrible to play compared to 4. You do everything and it doesn't affect the battle one bit, your side still gets raped. Morale management is actually a thing in 4
dunno, it looks off, like enemies being less aggressive on top of all the crap they did to make it even easier and more in line with the newer turdswhy are all these companies so allergic to the originals?
>>740152561That's 3
>>7401528324 has a different issue where you have to to do ungodly amount of grinding to max out the defense stat. Without grinding, the peons will just bitch slap you to death on Expert while you're hunting for lvl 11 weapon.
>>740153002I just use Green scroll and kill everything first, lol. You don't need max defense in 4, just characters' natural high end is enough, since healing can be consistently targeted and obtained
All DW are broken unplayable garbage on difficulty higher than easy, that's what I understood from this conversation.
Explain what he means:https://youtu.be/9cZtuI0CpY0?si=0MV07UHnQUhiGDcy
>Wei has zhen ji>wu needs 3 mid bitches>shu has no bitchesWhy wouLd anyone pick BENEVOLENCE
>>740153234It's not gay when gramps does it
>>740145067>Ken's RageBought it recently, was really looking forward to it.
>>740152471Seems you didn't play the game, in DW3 you have a chance of gaining morale for both officer kills AND every 50 peon kills.
>>740153327Killing peons will drain enemy morale in all classic DW games but DW3 in particular doesn't have "increase allies morale every 50 kills" mechanic. That only triggers on 1000 kills.
>>740143270>>740147542He's not my favorite but this is true. >>740147593No Gan Ning had the best musou. After that probably Pang Tong due to the sheer damage as the reply to you said >>740147663 and Guan Yu would be after that. I can't think of anyone else that may have had a better musou than Guan Yu so I'll just put him in 3rd place for now. As for actual movesets though just pick your favorite but some of the best in the game were Guan Yu, Lu Bu, Fu Xi, most of the spear users, and maybe Sun Shang Xiang? I can't remember for sure. Worst was probably Tashi Ci. I always hated that boring strange faggot.
>>740152571Straight up objectively wrong. The morale system is well documented and just as dynamic in 3 as it is in 4 and 5.
>>740153327Better than that even50x peon kills only affect morale of specifically the enemy unit you are targeting and the ally unit you belong toBUTOfficer kills affect both your unit, any other ally unit engaged, and if it's a sub-officer iirc it lowers the main officer morale. That makes it the most important move in the game, which also implies officer sniping is kinda broken because if you do it a few times when your allies are engaged, they might be able to steamroll the map.
>>740145097Most boring roguelike I've ever played, unironically. You never become fun OP to the point that you can one shot bosses.
>>740153428it does retard, morale can increase at 50 KOs. go play the fucking game.
>>740150149>>740149961They'll pretty much always have it as seperate DLCs a little later.
>>740153656I think he's confused because DW5 raises morale of your entire army on 50x kills(not always, but still) against DW3 where only the unit you belong to is affected(and the ones you are targeting since whenever an unit loses their troops, their morale is lowered)
>>740153516Except killing peons is near impossible in 3 and killing sub officers does jack shit.
>>740154116>killing peons is near impossibleHow can it be possible to be this bad at the game?>killing sub officers does jack shitWrong, it can reduce the morale of the officer they fight under.
>get on horse>get knocked off>get on horse>get knocked off>get on horse>get knocked off
>dodging>horse summon>weapon craftingyou did NOT beat the game.
>>740154801>>dodging>>weapon craftingYea that's overkill alright>>horse summonDunno, having to remember where the fuck I left the horse isn't a very compelling mechanic. Though to be fair I'd argue most maps in DW3 aren't really designed around you having that much mobility, unless you want to save every ally or idk.
>>740154270>How can it be possible to be this bad at the game?Yeah, just stand around killing peons on Very Hard, bro. Go get Sun Jian's 5th weapon right now and tell me how fun it is.>Wrong, it can reduce the morale of the officer they fight under.Nope, complete Red Hare shit. Never seen it happen. Even booted up Yi Ling hard to test just now. Not even half a star ever moved. This is the main point of frustration on stages where enemies start with huge morale gap. Compare 3's Nanman (not even hard) to 4. Even knowing what you're doing, you're almost always gonna lose the officer on the east side against King Dousi (like 50-70% chance of this happening depending on the character). If you know what you're doing in 4, you can complete the stage with everyone alive 80% of the time (for me at least)
>>740155260Anon, the mechanics are known and tested.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6UV-VN8cgY
>>740155260>Nope, complete Red Hare shit. Never seen it happenWatch this from 6:16. https://youtu.be/PdiDHuTUuVM He has a segment dedicated to showing how defeating sub-officers can lower their main officers morale. Earlier in the video he also shows how the player or officers getting 50 KOs can boost morale, that someone else argued doesn't happen.Just because you personally don't notice things, doesn't mean these mechanics don't exist.
why the fuck did they have to use unreal engine when they had a perfectly good engine they already used for origins
>>740156072yeah it's an odd choice considering how good Origins runs with so much shit happening.iirc in an interview their producer basically said something like "we just wanted to try it out lol" when asked about UE5
>>740155997Okay, I'm at 4 mins, don't even need to get there. Basically, sub officers are treated essentially as a fucking guard captain, which is retarded and, and so, no, I'm not fucking wrong, killing sub officers does jack shit unlike in 4 and 5.I already know about the effect of troops. This boils down to manipulating morale by farming troops in the worst game to do it in unless you have vorpal, which is what I had always known already.
Can I rangeMAXX?
>>740155997Probably happens because morale is actually 001~899, and the stars in the game UI only show you the first highest digit(e.g. 499 is 4 stars, 500 is 5 stars, 001 is 0 stars) and sub kills aren't -100
>>740144014https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQTztryjH0&list=PLiLjrJxEE-t_nsyrdn-FgdQZaR7dBgvg_&index=3You gotta post evidence, bud. I lost my shit when this popped up in DW8's Jin campaign.
>>740156461Also adding, iirc sub kills are +50 to your unit + any other unit engaged. That's probably what makes the highest difference in sub kills.
Why in the fuck is the Origins faggot in this game as well? I'm already sick of the twink, he has absolutely no fucking place in DW3.
>>740156072>>740156327Probably using whatever they used for Origin for Origin 2 and hopefully a empire game that plays like originand just let the devs mess around with UE for the remake just to see what its like
>>740156461It's -4. 4 and 5 probably has it at -100 so it's a guaranteed impact
>>740156739Don't care, still gonna play as Ziluan
>>740156827have it*
>>740156827Wish somebody tested on DW5 but yea sure, morale mechanics there are much more impactful.There are also more events and the game definitely expects you to have maxed out morale when you approach endgame of your current stage, since it will spawn enemy reinforcements who are already at 8 stars and would easily destroy your entire army if you rushed there(but also it's DW5 so you are probably going to hold out enough to just kill the boss)
Which musuo has the most metagame progression?
>>740156392>im not fucking wrongYes you are lol. You claimed defeating sub officers doesn't lower morale when it can. Just admit you got it wrong and move on.>>740156461>>740156565I'm not sure if it works like that in DW3 the way it did in DW2 (IIRC) or if it's chance based, but either way, just by playing the game and paying basic attention it's very clear that sub-officer kills frequently lowers the main officers morale, that's an objective fact. It feels pretty much 50/50 if it happens or not.
>>740157074Could feel chance based and 50/50 as you said because a +50 would only add a star in the UI if the last two digits are equal to or higher than 50.
>>740143270Gan Ning is fucking kino
>>740142795In short, are we back boys?
>>740157074I see that your IQ is too low to comprehend the simple assumption and expectation that a sub officer is worth several times more than a bow captain. Go kill only sub officers instead of farming troops on Normal and my theory is backed up by observation alone, 100% proven even without needing to know the engine mechanics. On the contrary, your example here >>740155997 is a literal coincidence.If you want to be a semantical cunt then keep thinking yourself smart on a technicality.
Praying they remaster 3 Empires too, all the most recent Empires spinoffs have been shite
>>740143930i'd kill for DW5E with better draw distance and virtually nothing else changed.but i'd prefer a just new, better empires game
>>740157339Yes that could very well be what's happening, they shouldn't have gotten rid of the visible morale bar that rises between stars if it's the same as DW2.>>740157473>all this seething rather than just admitting you were wrongkek you've went from sub officer kills don't lower morale to "ok sub officers do have a major impact on lowering star morale but not 100% of the time so I wasn't wrong!"
>>740157913You can't even quote where I said >sub officer kills don't lower moralebecause it didn't happen. No shit, killing anything is affecting morale, visible by the troop count bar. It's how much it affects it, dipshit, and being literally as much as a bow captain is stupid and certainly not "a major impact". What? Gonna start opening up the dictionary to look up what "jack shit" means now? Your smugness despite being an intellectual reject is disgusting. Last reply, fuck off.
So Origin is like Arise for Tales? Killing the series?
>>740158251The opposite, Origin brought new life to the franchise with them finally having the tech to actually have huge enemy counts.Lack of playable characters is a downside but that can easily be fixed in a sequel
>>740158251In terms of sales, no. Origins in fact saved the series since the producer outright said in an interview that if Origins failed, that would have been it, there wouldn't be any more DW in any capacity. Origins is divisive though. Though most people liked the gameplay the real polarising point was the single donut steel you're forced to play as for the whole game and the neutering of some of the characters.
>>740158251The opposite actually. 9 almost killed the series completely and it was Origins that sold enough to keep it from being iced forever.
>>740158518Its amazing how 3 brought the series up and then 6 and 9 tank it to near death
There's something charming about how assrapingly unfair the archers were in this game
All the morale talk and we don't even know whether this remake actually wants to use the original morale system, or at least something that's adapted to the fact there are more enemies on screen, since you would probably take away two stars from an unit in a single string now.
>>740158246My very first sentence to you was>"Wrong, it *CAN* reduce the morale of the officer they fight under.This is an objective fact, defeating a sub officer is worth a large chunk of morale, frequently lowering the main officers star morale.You replied with>Nope, complete Red Hare shit. Never seen it happen.Clearly implying that you thought sub-officer deaths had no impact on lowering morale, despite the fact that morale drops triggered by sub-officer deaths happens in practically every battle unless you're bee-lining the enemy main camp. Sounds like you're now just trying to wriggle out of it by pretending that you knew all along despite saying those words.
>>740142931Love how faithful these redesigns are. Sun Jian is the only one who looks demonstrably worse.
kino
will they rerecord the OST? it's the only reason I'm buying the game for.
>>740159831Japan's getting the soundtrack CD as part of the now standard Treasure Box release, but that's specifically labeled as an "original version" soundtrack.
>>740142795Okay is this going to be fully available on switch 2 and is it going to have a full English dub? Also I checked out the caliper page who are the two people not available in dw9 before the protagonists of origins?
>>740159575Meh, the costumes are basically the same, but the models have some suspicious changes. Like SSX there is less stacked, and Xiaoqiao is less loli(even if she was always 16, but I'm sure the intention is to say that she both looks and acts younger, she's described as childish and naive but not a literal child, that's the joke methinks)
>>740160069Fuxi and Nuwa are Chinese dieties that were obtained by unlocking all the characters in the original DW3. And yeah, the only real change is that KT scrapped the Switch 1 release, but Switch 2 is go. No physical release for any console though.
bretty gud but he looked meaner on the ps2
>>740160234didn't Sho say ps5 and switch 2 was getting a physical release?
>>740142795A Dynasty Warriors remaster of all things is utterly perplexing.Functionally there is no difference between this and a Dynasty Warriors 10. Because a core tenet of the series is that "it's the exact same game every time, just with more side characters being fleshed out and some mechanical tweaks".
>>740160609They'd fuckin better get one
>>740160038that doesn't sound promising.
>>740142795Does this play like Origins or classic DW?
>>740161097>Kessen II>no Gitaroo ManYou befuddled Zhang Fei for this?
>>740143930Its kind of weird. DW should just be a new game. Its like remaking fifa 09. Just make a new good DW. Each new game is kind of a "remake" already.
>>740142795Was there lag in the trailer or was it just me?Because I swear it looked like it chugged 2 times during the absolute state of play.
>>740161036>A Dynasty Warriors remaster of all things is utterly perplexing.To me DW3 is a unique game in the series but the point is lost when they're trying to make DW3 the exact same as all of the newer entries.
>>740150453Not to mention that KOEI will eventually release ten gorillion costume DLC over time that has to be bought separately one by one which total cost would rival train simulator DLC.Thank goodness for DLC piracy
>>740161569They're giving you toggle options to disable the newer mechanics. It's right there in the OP image.
I'm gonna main ziluan
>>740161036>Because a core tenet of the series is that "it's the exact same game every time, just with more side characters being fleshed out and some mechanical tweaks".Problem is they pushed this so far with DW8 that it just wasn't sustainable. They gambled on chasing the open world trend DW9 and failed massively, and then they gambled on making Origins a single character action game cutting away so much of the soul (and half the fucking story) in the process and succeeded. I don't think we'll get an actual DW10 for years, they'll probably make Origins 2 and make it even more gay.
>>740161945I don't think they'll do that with the remasters, the deluxe edition will probably be the only additional stuff to buy. They didn't go down the costume dlc route with origins despite it being their best selling DW title in ages, and just bundled new costumes into the 1 expansion DLC.
How many of you are pre-ordering?I would but i can afford to wait until the game is close to the release date.
>>740142795>remaster of remake the seriesKT is such an embarrassment.
Who the fuck is this?
>>740162697Dynasty Warriors Origin's protagonist.
>>740162697guardian of peace
>>740162764What do you mean a DW game having a protagonist?
>>740142795 The franchise trailer specified switch 2.DYNASTY WARRIORS 3: Complete Edition Remastered Overview TrailerKOEI TECMO AMERICAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8hfaFyKMq0
>>740162171origins is one of the most soulful games i've played in years, the only thing it's missing is the larger playable roster. And even that is somewhat made up for by the weapons being mechanically unique and not essentially clones with different animations like in the older games.>and half the storyPeople say this while completely ignoring that it covers battles and events that the other games simply skip over.>they'll probably make Origins 2The producer heavily implied in an interview around the time of the DLC that it's a trilogy. So with that and them also doing the Remasters as well, yes it could be a while before we see DW10 unless they can work on 3 games at the same time, which would be tough for even the biggest studios.
series for fujoshits after 5i only play their non historical shit like hyrule warriors anymore
I like DW5 but at the same time DW5 ruined the series
>>740162697John Musou
>>740156849camp bicycle
>>740162697My Asian boy princess
>>740162697Raging homosexual
>>740162957in Dynasty Warriors Origins, instead of choosing the regular roster, you play as one original MC and play the game through his point of view. You choose whether he eventually fights for Wu, Wei or Shu.
>>740163176>Origins>soulfulSure, if you're homsexual.
>she's inKT remains the last based game company
>>740164556Not based enough to keep XQ loli-coded unfortunately.Maybe they will make up with the "original models".
>>740162697>>740163882>>740164225>>740163947>>740156849Does this mean we can play with him until the end of the war?
>>740165687why wouldnt we? they didnt care about where the officers were in history until 5 you could play sun quan until hefei if you wanted
>>740165875>>740165687i meant sun jian
>>740165687I'm expecting him to be a Free Mode exclusive character like Fu Xi and Nu Wa.
>>740166738We saw a cutscene featuring him
>>740167051you can put any character in a cutscene
Oh fuck off
I DUN BELIEVE IN MAAaAGIEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTxRdTJRdHw
Thread is so slow, everybody gonna notice I'm shilling this again.https://youtu.be/tZRxuYfl3Wc?si=BdJa61blM3jKgySd
Did Origins sell well enough to become the new direction of the series?
>>740168501Yes, unfortunately, the shilling Ziluan part, not the selling well part
>>740168501A temporary new direction. According to the producer, it's going to be a trilogy.They'd have recreated many of the Warriors by that point, so we will probably get a "normal" DW10 after that. And if DW3:R sells well, we will probably also get DW4:R and DW5:R as well inbetween the origins releases, so it's not like the normal big roster games are even going away.
>>740144907They were only a problem because of the tiny draw distance and would unload on your ass while hidden by fog. The massively increased draw distance should make them far more manageable unless you're just oblivious to your surroundings.
>remaking a previous game instead of just giving us a proper sequelStill waiting for DW8XL to be replaced.
So how much do you think we're going to get out of Side story in the game? Is it going to be multiple battles of what if history campaign?
>>740168501It sold less than DW9 but somehow 9 is a flop and Origins was a massive success.
>>740142795 I want Fire Emblem bonding type conversations in Dynasty Warriors.
>>740168180sad DW osts doesn't get the recognition it deserves
Did 3 have all the Meng Huo stuff? I think I liked 3 the most.
>>740142795When do you think we'll get the next Nintendo IP Warriors game and I hear one piece is probably going to be ending soon so do you think they'll do the final Pirates Warrior game after one piece ends ?
The classic moveset of DW3 with some SW4 style evades, guards and parries? I just hope it doesnt ruin the juggle combos being the most efficient way to down an officer.
>>740162697>YOU WANT DYNASTY WARRIORS ORIGINS 2?>YOU GET IT AS THE REAL GAME>AS DYNASTY WARRIORS 3
>>740167794They say the retro version's not as good as the in-game version, so it's not like you're in a supreme progression skip apparently.
>>740171187It's super easy to get anyway
>>740170404Yeah, his musou mode was added in Xtreme Legends, where he defeats Zhuge Liang 7 times and forces him to submit.
>>740163176>>740171078>>740162171 And they're doing a Trilogy for Dynasty Warriors Origins what kind of hypothetical scenarios do you think they might have in the sequel if it takes place after when Origins one would happen? is it going to have Jin sima dynasty?
>>740170206Why are you lying? dw9 had just over 700k sales a few months after it's release, Origins did over a million in 1 month while costing more. Highest selling release since DW4.You're not disingenuously comparing 8 years worth of dw9 sales to 1 year of origins, are you?
I'll get the remastered 4
Someone help me update this should I include the disgaea mayhem along with dw3 I don't know if it's remake or re mastered. but help me update this please . /eagg/ or /DW&M/ Dynasty Warriors & Musou General.East Asian Genocide General Thank you for helping me update this Edition.>Dynasty Warriors 3 Remastered: Complete Editon - Reveal Trailer | State of Playhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1eVAPeHYaA>Origins gameplay featureshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DxhZj4Ej8 >Origins - Launch Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_MEAKfgMyc >Abyss - Launch Trailerhttps://youtu.be/jn238X1UXoU?si=Yzz2RFhh_fDPOR2B >Pirate Warriors 4 - Next Generation Trailerhttps://youtu.be/GMKNpEASitY?si=yujKnMt-MVyja2mL >Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment – Nintendo Direct 9.12.2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuSV9Sy28Mw NEWS> DW3R >Dynasty Warriors 3 Remastered: Complete Editon March 19, 2026 > Dynasty Warriors origin coming out on switch 2 and DLC January 22, 20261.2
>>740171540Honestly tweaks from later games like auto-adjusting towards targets are here, I grew up with 4 personally too but this is turning into a 'pick your poison/preference' sorta scenario if each of the remasters were to be relatively standardized for features. I'm just hoping this does well and can serve as the basis for the next two games on a quicker development schedule.Hell, imagine if they got as far as 6 and unfucked the Renbu and other factors like a Special merger.
>>740171540you can install 4hyper from the disc on windows 11 and it works with 0 fucking around
>>740171697Pastebin for newcomers: https://pastebin.com/Gq3pxGqcRecommended Reading: https://pastebin.com/15wPQWNSPS2 game mods: https://pastebin.com/J96YhRu8>New to the Musou-verse?The musou genre is expansive so this is a quick terms rundown, but see the newcomer pastebin for more information.>Dynasty Warriors - the original, mainline series based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel>XL / Xtreme Legends - essentially expansions for DW games>Empires - a light strategy DW spin-off, you conquer & manage territory instead of following a story>Samurai Warriors - DW, but based on Japan's history>Warriors Orochi - Crossover between DW & SW>Romance of the Three Kingdoms - an epic novel, telling a romanticized version of historical events>There's multiple other IP spin-offs with Musou gameplay, including One Piece and Zelda.YouTube channels covering the 3 kingdoms real history and the Dynasty Warriors / Musou games.https://www.youtube.com/@SeriousTriviahttps://www.youtube.com/@Klogaloushttps://www.youtube.com/@TheNightowlGaminghttps://www.youtube.com/@KoeiKollectionhttps://www.youtube.com/@ChrisGildart/https://www.youtube.com/@LightyTheNube/>FRIENDS:https://boards.4channel.org/vg/catalog#s=dqg%2F2.2
>>740171415The trilogy will end at Wu Zhang Plains, Jin period won't be covered.I'm not sure what you mean by Hypotheticals for the second game. I don't think we will play as ziluan going forward, they've talked about having a Character Creator for the sequel instead. So the second game will pick up after the battle of chibi, but from the perspective of a custom player character (I do think ziluan will show up as an NPC though, and probably unlockable as a companion).
>>740171942>I'm not sure what you mean by Hypotheticals for the second game Then non-historical route in DW8 extreme Legends the the DLC campaigns in dancing Warriors 9 for 8 playable officers in the main game where they managed to take themselves and decide to Victory and then I'm out of speaking the fat man's granddaughter in dw9 and in Origins base game although I haven't gotten to them yet you did multiple very successful things with which kingdom you became a part of and I'm guessing you go on to conquer all of China for one of the 3 kingdoms. Also I'm very bad with names at what point of the 3 kingdoms was the Wu Zhang Plains?
>>740148979fuck
>>740171719>can set it give you all the modern convenience >or turn all that off for DW3 Sickos mode
>>740171768>SeriousTriviaI love this guy but he confused me about the Lu Bu - Yuan Shu millet bait and switch deal. It's apparently historical? But most of the sources I keep running into say it was a novel invention?
>>740171739I know it's abandonware but I'm worried about that shit being a virus still
they need to remake samurai warriors 2 next
Should I get this if the only other DW game I've played is Origins?
>>740175241That seems to be the intention. They've got updated mechanics to make it play more like Origins or you can make it play like the original game, it's probably that they saw Origins' success so they want to make truebelievers of newbies. It's relatively cheaper compared to full fledged releases too.
Wasn't Dynasty Warriors: Origin even fun? Also, the Zelda and Fire Emblem musou games? Did anyone play them?
>>740175415they're all great, well not the first fe one. but 3 hops is great. origins is fucking awesome.
>>740175415origins is fun so long as you know you're getting into a very different game than most of the rest of the series with a single protag focus in exchange for more developed movesets, and not all of the overall conflict as a sequel bait title. first zelda warriors game is excellent so long as the IP is to your taste and dense with shit to do, the sequels are a bit rougher unless you play on switch 2 to stabilize performance but i dunno exactly how they compare as games overall. fire emblem warriors was serviceable milquetoast, three hopes was a weird position where only three houses fans even bother to talk about it and no one else does for some reason but it SEEMED fine to me.
>>740175651>>740175602So....Origins is fun and Zelda musou is fun if you like Zelda? Makes sense. I thought doing a musou series for Fire Emblem was a weird idea, but I'm not a huge Fire Emblem fanboy.
>>740175841it's less weird when you consider that three houses, which is what three hopes is based off of, was made and written by Koei Tecmo, but yeah first warriors game is kinda weird.
>>740175374I see. I'll have to pick it up then, would be good to try out the both the Origins style and classic style.
>>740175841the spin off musou tend to take a lot of gameplay from their original series. so 3 hopes plays like a fire emblem game despite being a musou, the zelda ones take a lot of gameplay from the zelda series, the persona 5 one is a legit canon sequel
>>740175841>Origins is fun>Only one playable fag twink mc, a silent main character that you can't customize or change at all.>Only campaign story mode, Not a single side mode at all, bye free/conquest modes.>Incomplete, lazy and rushed, ends at Chibi, prolly future stuff will be paid DLC (surprise they ARE)>No co-op, not even split screen, god forbid anything multiplayer>voiceless customless protagonist so fujos can selfinsert as a fag>can't even play as any of the other iconic characters for a full mission>MASSIVE weapon downgrade, from 90 weapons you can now only have 9 unlockable types, no unlockable characters, trash jewels, & retarded skill tree system >+ there's clearly full sets for War Fan, Club and Throwing Knives, but only available to the enemies themselves. Cut content.>IGN gave it 9/10 only because the reviewer is a troon and having homos is his hidden fetish>Guan Yu played by a nigger who isn't even trying to hide that he's a nigger so his english sounds like it's one millisecond from going full ghetto trash>they added "bonding" scenes despite the fact you are a male MC and there are mainly only male generals.>granted there are what, two or three females in the game so yeah, game is very very blatantly gay.>Despite the game having most male generals, they doubled down and removed most of the women.>THERE'S ONLY FOUR WOMEN IN THE WHOLE GAME; Diao Chan, Yueying, Zhenji and SSX>fag fujo shit in my musou>literally SW5'd all over again>Main story that stops right after red cliff battle>"Do_with _ for _ times" side quest that requires you to use weapons you don't like>Grindy mini-combats on the world map just to bloat your playtime for no reason>Mary Sue male MC where everyone even the bad guys immediately wet their pants the moment they meet you>Cringe ass mystical assassins creed cult backstory that nobody gives a shit about>$80KT killed all the good faith it had with DW9 and Origins, also ur a faggot
>>740176104>>Guan Yu played by a nigger who isn't even trying to hide that he's a nigger so his english sounds like it's one millisecond from going full ghetto trashyou're not playing with chinese voices? its the first warriors game to actually have this option. i couldn't pass it up
>>740176195NTA, but Chinese is a very harsh language to listen to. It's like nails on a chalkboard for me personally, so I'd rather use English voices...no matter how shitty they sound.
>>740175841Fire Emblem is one of those series that seems like a no-brainer for a musou when you've finally got one, honestly, alongside Gundam. Problem is the first game was painfully dull and had a pretty dogshit roster unless you're an Awakening/Fates fan. The DLC amounted to 9 more characters, and only 3 of them weren't from those two games.
>>740176223>Email account is showing >Gelbooru >Gachafag >Nintendo Music >XIV mods>Fortnite Kek
>>740175415i played the zelda one and the 3H FE one. they're okay. even though i'm bitter about how we're never getting an actual FE musou with reps from every setting. cia is the best zelda girl.
>>740176432man i get i fucked up, no need to point at the archive, shit doesn't crop properly half the time
>>740176385Don't forget the game had the subtitle of Attack of the Clones
>>740176496If anyone has 4chanX, which a lot of people on here do, they can still see deleted images.
>character designs with actual color and characterkino
>>740175415Origins is the Dynasty Warriors game made for people who hate on Dynasty Warriors. That guy who hasn't played a game since DW5 who sits there every thread and bitches that it's just button mashing, there's too many characters, the story is cheesy, etc Origns was made to please that faggot.
Things Dynasty Warriors white washes about actual history ?
>>740177981everything about liu bei
>>740177981Everything about Zhang Fei
>>740177981cao cao killing a hundred thousand people, wiping multiple cities, and filling the li river with so many bodies that the region was royally fucked for the rest of the war, because of food supplies.
>>740178090Honestly I'd say historical Liu Bei is far better of a person and more interesting than the novel one.
>>740145067Every Dynasty Warriors is a re-telling of the same plot from the Novel.It is literally impossible to miss out on story by not playing a previous game because they all remake the same story, covering different parts each time.
>>740151382After Origins I will happily take less silly bullshit on my screen.
>>740151456Older games showed you a limited amount of the level all at once, enabling much higher enemy counts.I imagine a bit of the opposite is happening here.
>>740152718You would have a point if it wasn't all optional, nerd.
>>740177981Zhuge Liang's unreasonable hostility to Wei Yan
>>740177981Nearly everything that happened during the Wu and Shu conflict around Jing territory.
>>740156739I truly fucking Origins and everything it stands for. The retards supporting it even moreso.
>>740178353To be fair some things do change. Sun Ce isn't genociding taoist monks in the games, and Gan Ji's revenge motivations either change or completely shift around to something less negative altogether depending on what you're playing.
>>740156976Dyanasty Warriors Gundam 3 has a really fun "part"(skills) system I remember enjoying toying around with.Probably my favorite installment just for the core gameplay
>>740177981Zhen Ji
>>740157532Empires deserves so much more time and attention as a franchise.They should make a full game with multiple historical nations and figures.
>>7401427954 was better
>>740158251Origins is only killing the series in the sense that it is now most definitely lost to fujo pandering and will never do anything cool again. It's survival is irrelevant if it's retarded and gay.
>>740178973I still say Samurai Warriors 4 Empires was the definitive Empires game. I spent way more time on that one that I care to admit.
>>740177981everything and that's an unfair question since it is based on rottk and not the actual history.
Is it going to be parryslop again?
>>740162697It's called Neo-Asian(photoshopped Korean) which lobbied by Jew
>>740144907Thats a feature, not a bugGit gud shit head
>>740179114Why do they do this? The fujos and gays don't actually buy or play the games, they just post art fanfiction ships on social media and in general just have a loud online presence
>>740179787Koei's retarded. They always think they have to reinvent the wheel or pander to some new demographic when the people who buy the games simply want classic DW gameplay in a game that's not half assed.
>>740176104Eternally based
>>740180038I remember the official director explanation was "I wasn't really paying attention to what the writing team was doing with it's side discussions, I don't mind the end result but if I was in charge of the writing and not the overall game I would've scaled it(the homo) down"So they are retarded yeah, just not in that way.
>>740176104based xun yu chad squashing ziluan twinks
Really fucking glad my favorite is inI saw the split screen co-op, but they WILL have online co-op too....right?
>>740176195>its the first warriors game to actually have this optionActually that was DW9.>>740176271If not Chinese then Japanese. English dub is ass.
>>740180760>English dub is assThats the point, stupid. Its why Cow Cow is back intentionally.
liu bei fears this
>>740179254 I would say Dynasty Warriors is more based on a combination of things than any one thing between Romance of the 3 kingdoms the actual ,Three Kingdoms history, And even other such materials based around the historical free kingdoms . Case in point I'm pretty sure Bao Sanniang was created in folklore and not a real person in history or Romance of the 3kingdoms.
>>740180839I'm pretty sure its the same exact dub. They said they only re-recorded Chinese i believe.
>>740181697fire hurts, man
>>7401698868xl sucks cockrock paper scissors is gay as hell
Someone, help! We left the unlimited musou gauge for 60 seconds back at the capital!!
>>7401821438xl is soooo close to being perfect, if they just replaced the element system and bumped up the ai it would be amazing
>>740182273basically what i'm saying is someone should mod this game to make it good
>>740181727As mentioned >>740144787I think some new recordings will be needed even if they use the same dub since the Musou attacks have English yells when the original didn't and those brand new Legend stages in the trailer are going to need lines recorded from scratch.
>>740169886Ever since the Capcom lawsuit regarding disc swapping Koei stopped doing Xtreme Legends outright and made one workaround.
>>740182493I got the 4 DX base game, does 4 II have anything in it besides certain characters and just being "more SW4" to vindicate an entire extra purchase?
>>740182326i think there's a mod that tried to remove the rock paper scissors system but i never did manage to get it to work
>>740182854Naomasa and the campaign being character based instead of faction.
If Samurai gets a remake treatment at some point then the obvious title for that would be 3. Considering the original game they made a very questionable decision to make it a Wii exclusive and then later on the extra editions were on PS3 but only ever released in Japan, quite a few people in the west never ever played SW3 at all so a remaster would legit be a lot of people's first experience with it.
>>740183373They started with DW3 because it's the most obvious option for both nostalgia and getting onboarding new fans with the series via a game that is quintessential besides its balancing. No way in hell a Samurai Warriors remastering would start with the obscure game that was kinda shit.
>>740180650they said no online features. so unless they added it after delaying the release date, looks like a no. major shame. pc players can use parsec but its not optimal. they should add online coop with shared progress. unlocking shit is grindy enough. so zero reason to buy more than one copy if you plan to play coop with a friend
>>740176104Half of the trash you listed is absolutely irrelevantThey pulled DW6 again and people clapped because now you have super epic dodge and parry Wo Long style which doesn't belong in this gameThe whole moveset except for the basic sword is just mash X, they couldn't balance officers and just gave them dogshit hyper armor that you have to break with stamina bar lite and "skills" that used to be a part of the moveset instead of being locked behind a gay resource mechanicFuck DWO
>>740182854>just being "more SW4"One could say that it's technically "less SW4" lol. Naomasa is cool but he can't sell a downgraded version. Especially not if you wanted to get it on the PC because the port is dogshit. Ugliest KT port on Steam, they should be ashamed of themselves.
>>740179662Rare jew W
>>740184305Alright, musou port report: how's Warriors Abyss, Dragon Quest Heroes 1&2, and Samurai Warriors 5 on Steam?
>>740184732>Warriors Abyssgood>Dragon Quest Heroes 1&2no idea >Samurai Warriors 5 fine SW4DX and WO3 are good ports because they are delayed portsWO4 is good tooMusou Stars is fine from what I remember SW Sanada was among their first next gen ports so it was more demanding at launch but now it's fine DW7 is a delayed port too but the game is ugly and smudgy due to limited resolution options (apparently can be rendered to look better with that new Nvidia card trick but I dunno) but that's not because of versions since it looks even worse on Piss 3DW8 is ass ugly smudgy PS3 shite fuck KTSW4-II as well but somehow even uglier DW9/9E runs and looks like dog's dried shit across all platformsDWO is black magic I have no idea how they did it Arslan port is ass IIRCBerserk port was ass too but I think they patched it One Piece I have no idea
>>740185624>DWO is black magic I have no idea how they did itI remember hearing it shares the same engine as Wild Hearts and other recent Koei Tecmo games, so Omega Force must've really gone shoulder deep in the shitter to unfuck that.
>>740179145kind of depressing it's not on PC
/eagg/ - East Asian Genocide General>>>/vg/569306342
Generate question: Is there anyone people want playable in the Dynasty Warriors franchise as an officer because they saw them in Total War 3 kingdoms? I think I might a couple of individuals.
>>740186164I'd say Zhang Yan because it's hilarious how he got to live like a bandit king for his entire life and get away with it.
>>740186164
>>740186402 I remember I actually went bankrupt for once in Total War when I was playing his faction but actually won the campaign eventually.
So as we know Origins is unfortunately the future for DW, what are they going to do next with Samurai Warriors? The last two games:>Sanada cuck story where Yukimura watches his childhood gf Chacha get fucked by the chad Hideyoshi and then dies protecting her son>Oda and Akechi gay love affairWhat's next? Can they even make another full game based on a single faction? Takeda or Tokugawa?
>>740188634Tokugawa clan can absolutely carry the entire Sengoku story desu
>>740185624>One Piece I have no ideaPW4 was how I learned my cpu cooler was mounted improperly because every time a large amount of particles appeared my pc would bluescreen from the temp spike.
>>740142795Fucking why.Every dynasty warriors game is the exact same fucking game.
>>740189315If you go to such a small standard of every games the same you can say the same about Call of Duty Ace Attorney Mario 2D Platformers every mobile game his plan happy World War II game also the point is for these companies always at the end of the day I want to make money.
>>740189475I played 3 different dynasty warriors when I was young.They are all identical.The plot is the same the characters are the same with maybe one addition, the maps are all hallways with boxes on them so theres no difference there.They are identical.This isn't like palworld and Pokémon its more like Pokémon red and pokemon fire red.
>>740189475Also the case with all those yearly sports game. Except there's actually more difference in these musou games than those football or basketball games.
>>740149969It's the most iconic one.
