>Possibly a sneak peek in Chapter 5’s festival Thoughts? Discuss.
>>740170869This is definitely not the case, the festival is not going to have Japanese themes and this was done just as a one off thing for Japanese audiences.Nips love small town America more than they love their Japanese festivals
I would like to hear an actual negative opinion on undertale/deltaruneSomebody who shits on them while actually knowing what they are and having played themI'm getting too faggy and enjoying myself too much I need to be dissuaded
is that why japan loves it so much? the main character is a stereotype yellow asian?
>>740170869>>740170975It's possible. It's orchestrated by the second biggest weeb in the game with the funding and authority to make it happen, and Toby's basically half japanese at this point.
>>740170869
>>740170869A nippon festival would be extremely funny and shocking but I don't think it's going to actually happen. It's just to please the nips. However when Gerson is describing chapter 5 you see sakura petals raining in the glass so the field of pink and gold is totally golden flowers plus sakura rain.
>He caught the thread before it could archiveFUCK. RIP OP
>>740171227Yes. Right is literally Frisk Undertale.
cute art. too bad the fanbase totally ruined these games with their trannyism, video essays, and furry pornno wonder he likes his japanese fanbase more
>>740171346We reached bump limit for once, and that's what matters.
>>740171289Boobs
>>740171216Deltarune is my favorite game of the last 5 years but even the huge fan that I am I can’t ignore how Toby compromised his vision to appease troons who can’t handle art they find “uncomfy”.The removal of the wilted rose was just sad to see, and we shat on Toby for removing it
Why are Japanese fans like this?
>>740170869>m.jpg
>>>/trash/
>>740170975It might have something as a gag, but yeah I don't think it's going to be a full blown matsuri.
>>740171428>>740171504>>740171536keep doin' it for free, janny-kun
>>740171428I mean yeah we put up with bullshit everyday, how many retarded coworkers and customers do you have to deal with to get your paycheck? But you should still chase that bag regardless of the retards it takes to get there
>>740171460And what matters is that he's 100% going to ban OP for "spamming" or "generalposting" as soon as he sees this thread
>>740171289I wish Frisk was also wearing a yukata.
>>740171504Kris does strike me as the type that would still call him "Big brother" during sex.
tranny thread
>>740171578I posted that artist before retard.
>>740171597Why did you post my cute autistic daughter?
>>740170869So if it is a nip festival, will that affect the Flower Kingdom dark world? Will we have a shogun?
>>740171597We know objectively when he goes to bed so we know when to make threads at the very least if he goes into another spergout.
>>740171578Middle is just a regular hornypost and not a jannypost.
>>740171289>smug Flowey >Toriel with boobage >Burger pants schizo out It’s beautiful
>>740171396Would
>>740170975why wouldn’t a true and honest Japanese man put a Japanese festival in his Japanese game
>>740171690I doubt it, but the field of pink and gold will totally be like those animes with all the sakura petals.
>>740171624Question is, will Asriel resist the human cunny?
>>740171803It’s a mystery
>>740171504Human girls are irresistible to fluffy goat boys
>>740171289holy sexo sexo sexo sexo sexo
In Underswap would Toby be a japanese man obsessed with being american?
>>740171793Frisk looks like THAT?!
>>740171216Biggest problem and frustration I have with Deltarune is how its promise of expanding the RPG elements present in Undertale led to absolutely nothing, the fighting system didn't get expanded upon, there's no interesting developments, it's just the same with every battle having its own unique interactions and gimmicks. The dodging is fine, the harder battles are great on an action gameplay level, but it's incredibly disappointing seeing all the flair from Chapter 1 being used for basically nothing. You can heal and attack in the same turn, that's basically the difference from Undertale to Deltarune.
>>740171903But Toby is just that irl. He loves America so much he got himself born and raised in America
>>740171216I fucking hate Chapter 3. Is that negative enough?
>>740171939This too. >tfw Toby abandoned the enemy targeting mechanic
>>740171853Big if true but I believe you. He loves pairing humans and goats.
>>740171216>update takes forever>no muffetThis is a story game so 0 replayability
>>740170869Okay my best bet with the visualThe reason why the 5 is medium size is because Kris, Susie and Noelle will hang out no matter what in both routes, no, who you choose in previous chapter doesn't matter, at most a new dialogueI bet Noelle will accidentally enter Asgore shop and they will form a party while Ralsei is doing something, or just another ch2 Kris and Noelle alone section
>>740171903Yes, he would. That or Temmie would be the creator of these games.
>>740171504I don't like how shiny his ears are. Makes them look like big greasy flesh appendages.
>>740171289>sans is in both picturesWhat did they mean by this
>>740171216>I'm getting too faggy and enjoying myself too much I need to be dissuadedThis is why you'll always be small-time. Let yourself enjoy things. Be free.
>>740171849that's a gay jew
>>740171216It's not worth it compared to the amount we have to keep WAITing for.
>>740171834He left town because he realized he couldn't contain his attraction anymore.
Are they finally going to get screen time? We’ve speculated they were gonna bê important for years
>>740171216The problem is that people who understand the game don't come away with overall negative opinions of it particularly often, and when they do they're not necessarily inclined to voice them.Lots of people who THINK they "get" the games will reply to you though.
>>740171216it's for faggots and troons so just come out the closet fag
>>740170869what the fuck does anyone see in his gamesbonetrousle is catchy thats about it redeeming value wisethis fucking degenerate faggot put homo shit into a game marketed to kids he should be jailed not celebrated
>>740171216I dislike how the new chapters lost their soul. Chapter 4 especially is too much of a generic fantasy RPG. If I wanted a shonen anime plot and high production animation I'd go elsewhere, I come to Deltarune for how unconventional it is.
>>740172121I live in a small rural town and I'm already the faggiest of my irl friendsI can't indulge myself too much
>>740172076The festival just isn't that big compared to freezing everyone and the Dark World segment is mainly Noelle guiding us through a maze to be used up. That's how I see 5 being small.
>>740171216undertale is not even a video-game, it's a goosebumps story book with whacky characters. you just hold forwards instead of turning the pages. deltarune is exactly the same thing, but there are more 'turn to page 72 to do A, for B go to page 50'. that being said, deltarune might end up being worthwhile once it's finished. you will miss nothing by waiting until then. maybe the equivalent to people driving by the midnight release of harry potter yelling snape kills dumbledore. be a fag tho it's fun. just be careful around the dr/ut community. dangerously full of both children and psychotic furries.
>>740172236The entire soundtrack is catchy, the writing is funny, and the points it makes are good.
>>740171903Isn’t Underswap!Toby just Hideo Kojima?
>>740172202>Catti predicting the futureHoly shit Suselle is fucked
>>740172280You can enjoy things in a non fag way yknow
>>740172236The rape route is really interesting and i want to see what will happen
>>740171986Chapter 3 is great, chapter 4 is the bad one.
>>740172326Metal Gear tale?
>>740171834Nobody can.
>>740172359I think it just feels like a reference to the Weird Route where Kris famously cannot protect Noelle from slipping into the darkness.
>>740172279I don't think you actually like RPGs that much if you'd consider chapter 4 "generic".
>>740170869DeltatroonTrannytale
>>740172236It's a fun game with quirky characters, good music and fun gameplay.
>>740172202lmao, no. Deltarune doesn't give a shit about anyone not named Kris, Susie, Ralsei, or Noelle. Nevermind all these cool characters, those 4 were the ones from his dreams, so at best these others are only allowed to be set dressing.
>>740172202Probably not, but at least Catti is getting new clothes and that's cool.
>>740172372What didn't you like about chapter 4 anon?
>>740172236I like the characters and the writing
>>740172478At least these threads are comfy and DON'T have those insufferable faggots ruining the fun.
>>740172392Lucky bastard...
>>740172521I don't see the problem with a game focusing on its main characters.>but Undertale didn't have a main character, it focused on the wacky funny side guys the whole time!You think this because you have a symbolic, surface level understanding of the games.
>>740172471Correct, I do dislike JRPGs. I much prefer western RPGs. I've never even finished a JRPG because the story, tone, art, and genre conventions turn me off.
>>740171216Other than gameplay being a wet fart compared to any other rpg or chapters having a surprise formula shake up that gets annoying on replays, the game has a bad habit of undermining character developments with cheap gags later on. Like, Chaos King is less Ganondorf and more Bowser with his silly mannerisms, but after being defeated he gets debased and ridiculed in jail with the hamster water bottle gag. His grievances with the lightners and their relationship dynamic is no longer taken seriously after his defeat, and he's just treated as the fat fuck in a cage.Similarly, Spamton NEO's defeat is somber and tragically poetic, as he had it all, lost it all, and lived figuratively and literally in the dirt just to have a chance of breaking his rotten fate, only to get cut down again when he flew too close to the sun. There's a finality in his final scene in Chapter 2, and you might feel really bad for him. And then in the next chapter he reaches out to his ex-business partner and gets drowned in foam from a can over a blue egg. I'm not saying that it has to be serious 100% of the time, but these characters should have some dignity.
>>740172619True...
>>740172689not enough man faced brown trannies?
>>740172689Then why in the world did you play a game made by a guy who loves JRPGs as a love letter to primarily JRPG tropes? Because it did them "unconventionally" and that was enough to make you love them? It sounds like your preconceptions are giving you more trouble enjoying JRPGs than their content, anon.
>>740172680Undertale did have main characters unironically enough and even Frisk has an extreme subtle arc of wanting to leave the underground no matter what to wanting to either live with or free the monsters
>>740171216The actual RPG elements in Deltarune fucking blow and that sucks because it has a way stronger basis to flesh them out than Undertale ever did. Longer more fleshed out locations, the elements system, targetting system, full part with swappable equipes, etc. Could've made for a game that offered in-depth exploration and challenging encounters built around it's specific attributes but what we've actually gotten are largely linear romps through connected rooms and a battle system that hinges more on its unique "gimmick" rather than seriously playing with the gameplay conventions of either genre its borrowing from (RPGs and Bullet Hells) for the second game in a row. FRIEND+Gaster having meta 4th wall fuckery gives me hope that it'll improve even if we're over halfway in, at least
>>740172236Best game since OFF to have the player vs vessel conflict explored and I like the concept of an eldritch entity from a higher plane of being controlling a body and using said body to force themselves in the vessels childhood friend
>>740171216Just look up "Mikefag" on the archives and you will find a lot of criticism.
>>740172807by unconventional xhe means gay tumblr furry dramaslop
>>740171216Game is generally too easy and I wish it was more willing to have more in depth rpg mechanics. Like being able to change your movement speed based on the equipment you have.
>>740172728>these characters should have some dignityI fundamentally disagree and I think Toby does too. Worrying about the "dignity" of a character to the point that they're not allowed to be used fully in the writing is ridiculous.
>>740171656The size of that dress, Toriel big
>>740171216Toby Fox is completely incapable of handling large projects and teams and it has hurt Deltarune's development immensely.
>>740170869Link?
>>740172581The animation, the serious tone, the lack of enough interesting characters (Gerson and Jack were nice, but they didn't dominate the chapter), they played the prophecy too straight (would've been better if Ralsei made it up), the game tripling down on the save the world plot, not funny, all three main characters were assholes, everyone aside from the main three and Noelle were doomed to irrelevance, the Knight being a boring antagonist once her initial shock value wears off, the Titan being an offensively boring and generic "RPG kill god" type boss with angel themes, and the shrouded in darkness mechanic being genuinely the worst gameplay addition to the series so far.
>>740173027This is true. Thank goodness he hired a competent producer to straight things up
>>740171216I'm only invested in the ongoing development of Deltarune because of its story and music. The actual "gameplay" is a slog of boring bullet hell battles, puzzles, and backtracking that are just there to pad out time between cutscenes and dialogue. Superbosses are just a ridiculous spike in difficulty in an otherwise babyproof combat system, which you can brute force your way through with enough trial and error.If the story can't stick the landing there's really no reason to invest time into the game. No reason to replay it after you've gotten all the endings, same as Undertale.
>>740173052https://xcancel.com/kurisukt/status/2062187555240513953
>>740173127>Superbosses are just a ridiculous spike in difficulty in an otherwise babyproof combat systemHonestly agree with this. Biggest issue I have.
>>740172689Sorry but Toby is a weeb, anon.
>>740173063>they played the prophecy too straight (would've been better if Ralsei made it up)>the game tripling down on the save the world plot>everyone aside from the main three and Noelle were doomed to irrelevanceWhy do all complaints about the current direction of Deltarune just sound like someone wishes the retarded Undertale wank that was the early fanon perception of the game was the real game?
>>740172016I don't understand why this had to go.
>>740172680>I don't see the problem with a game focusing on its main characters.Its a problem when it has so many cool characters, and when its main characters are so lame in comparison. Every chapter they get worse, only making me want to follow literally anyone else more.>You think this because you have a symbolic, surface level understanding of the games.And you're just being a pretentious faggot who hides behind accusations of illiteracy to protect his unjustified opinions.
>>740171656I want Toriel to drown me in her worn clothes
>>740170869This issue releases on June 18th and still advertises Chapter 5 as a vague "coming 2026", so we can infer that Deltarune won't be getting a release date by then.(i bring this up because some people are expecting news in the next Nintendo Direct)
What would be the biggest improvements you would make to Deltarune? Mostly from a gameplay perspective.
>>740170869Where's Papyrus.Where is he, Toby.What did you do with my boy.
>>740171216I could go on for many, many posts on this topic, but my overall points are>obvious scope creep that lead to a bunch of half assed features >trying too hard to defy genre expectations >inability to communicate what sort of game and story it wants to be>straight up bad taste about many things, specially romance
>>740170869>susie blushingkrusiechads we just can't stop winning
>>740173416More RPG mechanics to make combat more engaging without relying on gimmicks
>>740173290>It's a problem when it has so many cool characters, and when its main characters are so lame in comparison.The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, anon. You feel like those characters are cooler than the real main characters because you've been saddled with the real main characters.>And you're just being a pretentious faggotBecause I don't have a fucking freakout over the main characters taking time away from the """more interesting""" side characters? Sorry, I am no more invested in King and Lancer than I am Susie, as a matter of course, and this has been the case since chapter 1.
>>740173434>obvious scope creep that lead to a bunch of half assed featuresAgree.>trying too hard to defy genre expectationsWhat genre? >inability to communicate what sort of game and story it wants to beThat I mostly disagree with.
>>740173421He has been... forgotten, man.
>>740173416Mario-and-Luigi-RPG-style battle system instead of turn-based menus and actions. It's almost there anyway. Toby even aped the Green Shell special move for Gerson's fight.
>>740173467>without relying on gimmicksHEY JIMMY, GIMME A TOBY FOX GAME WITH NUTHIN'
>>740173467Like? I've said this before but I kind of like the idea of including something similar to shot types in Touhou. Where equipping certain items changes how quickly you move or gives you some kind of weird gimmick. I also like the idea of adding bombs as a mechanic. But that's kind of it as far as I can think of, and none of it is all that rpg focused.
>>740173272To be fair ch2 era we didn't had that much context in how the story could go
>>740173416Having more status effects both for your party and the enemies.
Toby restraining his yuri autism or not will singlehandedly decide the fate of Deltarune.
>>740173597I mean that's pretty much what the soul modes are for, Toby's just been very sparing with them in Deltarune for some reason. Outside of that there are the ribbons which increase your graze area and Noelle's watch which shortens the enemy turn length up to 10% depending on how much you graze.
>>740170869>>740173390AIIIEEEEEEE AIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
>>740171216It's basically a visual novel with quirk chungus writing. The game is carried entirely by the above average music, but people think it is the greatest RPG ever made when it is just okay. Gameplay is overall not all that interesting and people jerk off over 'OMG SANS IS SO HARD!!!' when he's just a bad bullet hell fight.It also has the worst fanbase I have ever experienced in my entire life, and I have played Magic the Gathering, Dota 2, and a couple of others that are infamous for their terrible playerbases.The story is not all that deep but people love to masturbate over their stupid theories when Toby Fox is basically just JJ Abrams with how he writes everything as mystery box bullshit.The story itself can be summed up as 'violence bad!' in Undertale despite all the attempts at meta-commentary, and the story in Deltarune is just a bunch of mystery box bullshit with no real messages or morals to it.
>>740172792Didn't say I like modern RPGs either. I'm talking about stuff like Fallout, KOTOR, or DX.>>740172807Its not about preconceptions, its about tone and style. I really dislike high detail pixel art and dislike when games railroad me into a story with no choice. The games feel like they try to hard to be cinematic and to look good. Like Final Fantasy and Chrono trigger turned me off with the appearances of their settings and characters. (with the exception of the orignal FF on NES, that one looks pretty cool)I like Undertale because its a silly RPG full of funny furries drawn in MSPaint where my choices really matter. In Undertale I actually play a role and I get to play it a lot.I suppose there's one JRPG I enjoyed, and that was Solatorobo, because it was about steampunk mechs, 19th century European styling, furries, and post-post-apocalypses. But its barely an RPG.>>740173242Yeah, but he could at least take inspiration from cooler sources. Like The Big O, that did this kind of stuff way better than Deltarune is doing it.
>>740173581>Mario-and-Luigi-RPG-style battle system instead of turn-based menus and actions.Could you combine that with the bullet hell gameplay while also still having items? Like how would eating in the middle of combat works?
>>740173390So, this is a soft-leak? or the pic was intended for people to know
>>740173416Add a stat that affects how much the user's acts/X-actions move a Darkner's Mercy meter.Add simple stat boosting moves and items.Make Pacify work like Sleep Mist does now, make Sleep Mist forcibly turn enemies tired.Make a few more new utilities tied to armor, like slowing enemy bullets when they enter grazing range, and scatter them across at least two new armors each.
>>740173818>choices matter in Undertale/Deltaruneno they do not lmao
>>740173272Because Deltarne is an Undertale sequel and was billed as a game for people who played Undertale. I care about this series because of what Undertale did and what it seemed like Deltarune was doing in the first two chapters.
>>740173390lmao, it's fucking over
>>740170869>Susie with her Dark World color palettehahaha, what the fuck?
>>740173818you like trannyslop, furfaggot, but that was obvious when you admitted to enjoying trannytale and undertroon
>>740172236He took the rabid fanbase of Homestuck and made the exact type of game to appeal to them, that's all.
>>740173390Lol. I guess we have to keep WAITing but this basically means a June release is impossible.
>>740171793>>740171396>vagina bonesI will now fuck your race.
>>740173390I wonder if there's still people who think a June release is possible
>>740173390July-August release then, maybe?I can't fucking wait that long I need it NOW
>>740172904sniped your autistic furtranny ass>>740173818
>>740173416Never ever bring that darkness mechanic back
>>740173272The funny thing is that current Deltarune does wank Undertale a lot lol.
>>740174030It might be technically possible, but I don't see him doing anything that would go against his "second half of 2026" estimate. That would lead to everyone assuming he's lying or overestimating future release estimates.
>>740173390you're a lying fag anon YOURE LYING
>>740170869My autism tells me they hid Ralsei's real item in this image
>>740173830To be fair eating is still a menu action in M&L games. At the very least put an 'active guard' mechanic in the bullet hell fights that reduces damage when you time an input right as you're getting hit by a bullet.
>>740173390FUCK. you just had to point it out anon
>>740173390>bugtesting an update with 5 hours of content max and whee 75% of the systems used it have already been throughly tested in earlier chapters takes +3 monthsAnybody who believes Chapter 7 is coming out in 2029 is insane.
>>740174172>To be fair eating is still a menu action in M&L gamesTrue.Main issue overall is that gameplay tends to not be combat focused. Being able to hit people back during gameplay would be cool though.
>>740172728Not to mention his threat of throwing Lancer off of the castle being presented as disingenuous afterwards because “haha he would bounce back up my lil boy”, making the scene in Chapter 1 less serious in retrospect/on replays
>>740174162How could we have been so blind...? Ralsei is actually a mayonnaise bottleAn ingredient of mayo is egg
>>740173818>I really dislike high detail pixel art and dislike when games railroad me into a story with no choice.See, I have never felt like I had "real" choice in a story anyway, so that doesn't matter to me.>Like Final Fantasy and Chrono trigger turned me off with the appearances of their settings and characters.You seem like you dislike overtly fantastical settings with a traditional fantasy tone, like in general.>I like Undertale because its a silly RPG full of funny furries drawn in MSPaint... who act out JRPG tropes to create a JRPG plot, yes.>my choices really matter.My choices really matter in every game I play because all real gameplay is choices. What you mean is you like the presentation of making a "choice" as defined by the conventions of 20 years of video games that tried to have "story choices".
>>740170869People will look at this and tell me Kris isn't supposed to be a man
>>740173863I think digital copies release earlier than the printed copies that go on newsstands, so it's not a leak. I've been digging around for the source of this Deltarune artwork but none of the popular tweets about it mention anything, so I'm assuming someone took a screenshot of their digital copy. The magazine is 100% dated for the 18th though
>>740174328THE IMPLICATIONS
>>740171216>Deltarunewhy would anyone who isnt a complete faggot, furry or troon play deltarune? Also why would one of these say anything negative about it after all the sunk cost investment they have in it. >UndertaleAs for undertale the message it wants to tell is very on the nose and poorly written. There is really no grey in it or anything really thought provoking to make you think.(part of why its succesfull) The humour is also just random stuff and alot of it really doesnt stick and overstays its welcome. Combat is also poorly done and unengaging for the most part. It just got lucky with the streamers, but when i played it it was nothing really special. Would have prolly found it great if i was 12-16 though and didnt play earthbound.
Since everyone is hereHOPES AND FEAR FOR CH5?>Obvious hardmore: suselleshit aside
>>740174172I remember thinking Scampton the Great's cyan soul deal with parrying was pretty fun but I'm not sure if standardizing it for a whole game would work as well.
>>740173470>The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, anonThese main characters get tiresome being forced to follow them non-stop, it would be much better if the game changed them out every chapter like it seemed like it was going to do in chapter 2. And this is just a side note, but no characters like Berdly or Monster Kid really are more interesting than Ralsei. I would take just about anyone over him.>Because I don't have a fucking freakout over the main characters taking time away from the """more interesting""" side characters?No, because you outright refuse to explain your position of Undertale having a main character. You just say "Its this, and if you don't agree, you're just too stupid to understand what I'm saying". (and to be clear, I do think Undertale has a main character, its you the player, you're the one with the central narrative arc. Though most of the screentime is dedicated to literally everyone but you)> Sorry, I am no more invested in King and Lancer than I am SusieSusie sucks ass. She just exists to make the player's life harder while acting like she's still your friend. And to enable Ralsei's bullshit.
>>740170869Festival is weeb themed because Carol set it up and is a katana wielding weeb, nice.
>>740171216I was having fun with Ch.1 and 2 of Deltarune. Toby threw out all theoryfagging and fun with Ch. 3 and 4 when you realized the entire fucking story and lore revolves around the lesbian deer's family. Ralsei? Susie? Other town inhabitants? Don't matter.Zero interest in the rest of the game, can't believe I actually spend money on this.
>>740174353This is one of the more gender neutral arts of Kris that fangamer did.
>>740174480you're a retard
>>740173925I care about the series for what Undertale did and Deltarune continues to do through all four chapters. If you think it did something of real value that stopped sometime between Undertale and now, you misunderstood somewhere along the line.
>>740172225The beautiful thing about the recent hype buildup is that this isn't an echo chamber for you to express blind worship for the game anymore.
>>740174460The weird route not providing any interesting changes compared to the normal route. Suselle combined with that would absolutely ruin the chapter for me.
>>740170869>Kris and Susie being besties while Noelle watchesKrusie confirmed!
>>740174460HOPES>Finally getting an exposition on Dess from Asgore or whatever darkener/area his schizo corkboard on the Dess case becomes >Asgore final boss with his theme from Undertale>Fun battle gimmicks>More maymays to laugh about>Noelle+Me scenes >More weird route shenanigans>Roaring beginsFEARS>Do I even have to say it?
>>740173390Okay then
>>740174431>why would anyone who isnt a complete faggot, furry or troon play deltarune?Because it's fun and provides more of what I liked in Undertale.>As for undertale the message it wants to tell is very on the nose and poorly written.And yet you don't have the balls to say what you think it is. Let me guess, you think Undertale's message is "BE NICE TO THE CHARACTERS!!!!" and you're mad about it?
>>740171216deltarune is good but wouldve been way better with the tone of chapter 1 kept intact, its the most toby-coded chapter for a reasonweird route is literally hard carrying the game and making it >not even in chapter 3>5 minute scene in chapter 4>equal length to chapter 4 going by the ARG, in chapter 5is infinitely retarded. no, a tutorial for a non-existent person 10 years from now on how to do it ISNT a weird route replacementchapter 3 is fucking ass and without the roaring knight, wouldve been easily the worst chapterchapter 4 is a let down because its all vagueposting without any real answers, the only good part is gerson and the jackenstein fight. toby does NOT know how to mix serious shit with goofy shit, he does know how to split them up.king was character assassinated for no purpose (this is a discourse on X right now, actually)berdly completely regressing as a character and having like 7 lines was retarded as well, him not dying on weird route is SUPER retardedand finally, as someone who played since survey program, baiting us with sans (don't forget teaser being completely centered around him) for this long is an absolute niggermove. chapter 1 sans and what we got after is fucking retarded, some people even think we're seriously never going to know the rest of his deal from undertale
>>740173390I hope Toby Fox dies a drawn out, painful death.
>>740174541well ye, i spend money on it instead of just pirating an unfinished game. Doesnt make what i said any less true or the chaps any better though.
>>740170975I feel like it'd either be an american styled festival with sans running a traditional japanese booth or the other way around.
>>740174460>hopesno Asgore humiliation ritual>fearsAsgore humiliation ritual
Sans killed Onionsan and he's now feeding his remains to people at the festivalEvil
>>740174506If by that you mean he's even more of a man in the other ones, then sure.It's just crazy man. Kris is so male it is ridiculous to even pretend he isn't. He could not be more of a male character if you tried.
>>740174682>berdly completely regressing as a character and having like 7 lines was retarded as well, him not dying on weird route is SUPER retardedIf he died, the player wouldn't get that last chance to dip out of the route
>UndertaleWhat if video game enemies had feelings and didn't have to be killed?>DeltaruneWhat if video game protagonists were individuals that the player imposes their will on?>NudealertWhat if NPCs reacted to player nudity?>Rental DueWhat if video games had realistic fluctuating rental prices based on in-game economies?>A Elder NutWhat if peanuts were ostracized from nut society for technically being legumes?
>>740174460HOPES:>Festival has some fun minigames in it>It isn't just shippingslop>We get actual answers about some of the mysteries>The Knight's identity is revealed>The Flower Shop Dark World is similar to 1 and 2>Main boss is golden flower>Flower bouquet is important. FEARS:>Weird Route is disappointing >Festival is purely shipbait with no victor>Nothing important is answered>Dark World is empty>Asgore is the main boss and he genuinely wants to kill Kris
>>740173984wouldn't those be the same game anon?
>>740174784The story necessitates Asgore being humiliated. This doesn't mean he can't come back from it later in the chapter, but he has to be humiliated.
>>740174460>FEAR FOR CH5The world succumbs to an IRL Roaring-tier event before I can even play the fucking thing.
>>740174642>Asgore final boss with his theme from UndertaleI will unironically do the soiface if that happenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrtt7mgwCTw
>>740174465>it would be much better if the game changed them out every chapter like it seemed like it was going to do in chapter 2It didn't seem like that at all, given you had Noelle temporarily and went right back to the standard party as soon as it was an option rather than them letting me, say, pick my party composition while four characters were nominally in the party.If you only dealt with chapter 1 under the idea that you'd get to replace Susie for the rest of the game or she would become ignorable past chapter 1, you are a retard.>No, because you outright refuse to explain your position of Undertale having a main character.No, retard. My position is that Undertale giving such a low amount of screen time to its main character was neither good nor bad and Deltarune giving this much screen time to its main characters is also neither good nor bad.>Susie sucks ass. She just exists to make the player's life harder while acting like she's still your friend. And to enable Ralsei's bullshit.Oh my god, are you one of those types who gets attached to some narrative goal and then gets mad whenever characters don't work toward that goal "right"? You're one step removed from CoL and his deranged "I came to Deltarune to complete the mission" posting.
>>740174876>Nutdealer>
>>740171793I love sexualized racist caricatures of women so fucking much
>>740171396right is like 10x hotter
>>740174673No because thats the baseline and it needs something else to carry the story, which it doesnt have. I like Indies and ther is some that do everything exceptionally well on every level and have actual thought put into the world and story. Like recent ones would be The use of Life, Ninesols or Look outside. Former is prolly the best multi ending game i have played til now where the endings are actually distinct. Compared to them undertale is just amateurish with little thought put into it and nothing to really think about.
>>740174642>Finally getting an exposition on Dess from Asgore or whatever darkener/area his schizo corkboard on the Dess case becomesImagine if Asgore's gone so far off the deep end that we can't even tell what parts of the exposition are real or imagined. That could either be really cool or incredibly frustrating depending on how it's executed.
>>740174682OH, one more thing, censoring the rose is the biggest faggot thing toby has ever done
What was your reaction of picrel
>>740174876>>Nudealert>What if NPCs reacted to player nudity?Just search for Undertale's bottomless route to see that.
>>740173390I will say, as a bit of copium, that it's possible "coming 2026" was put to avoid spoiling the surprise. Toby being the weeb he is could know that Famitsu's issues release early digitally so he didn't want the date to be leaked ahead of a Direct reveal. I guess we'll see!
Could you fucking imagine that we reach the end of June and there is still zero indication for a release? Not even a "it's almost done!"?
>>740173902Yes they do, even things as simple as clicking on a bed multiple times have consequence in these games.>>740174338>, I have never felt like I had "real" choice in a story anyway,That's either autism or you haven't played many choice based games>so that doesn't matter to me.It matters to me, its half the reason I play games in the first place.>You seem like you dislike overtly fantastical settings with a traditional fantasy toneI dislike "traditionl" fantasy a lot, meaning that horrible butchering of Tolkein and Robert E Howard's writings that was created in Dungeons and Dragons and then copied in a million vidya settings. The general tone of that is awful. Don't tell a genre made of tropes, tell a story about people that feel real.> who act out JRPG tropes to create a JRPG plot, yes.Not really, the JRPG tropes aren't what I care about. I liked how prior to chapter 4, none of the characters really engaged with the "real plot" of the game, that being the prophecy. They were concerned with moment to moment things, and their own personal problems. The minute it started seriously engaging with those tropes I lost all enjoyment of the plot.>My choices really matter in every game I play because all real gameplay is choicesGameplay choices don't mean anything if the game never acknowledges them. I don't like conventional story choices in a lot of games because they're too surface level and limited. Undertale thinks of everything and responds to everything (being hyperbolic here, there are plenty of exceptions) so it makes the game feel like I'm really doing things in it, as opposed to just playing a game.
>>740174682Chapter 1 Sans was written under the assumption that the next release would be the rest of the game.
>>740171793oughhhh SNFFFFFFF
>>740175125THAT WOULD BE SO FUNNY
>>740175076>Imagine if Asgore's gone so far off the deep end that we can't even tell what parts of the exposition are real or imagined.That's actually a fucking incredible idea
>>740174909he was already humiliated mercilessly through ch.1-4how long must the ritual go on for
>>740174431>Hates furries and faggots>Uses faggot furry reaction image
>>740173529>What genre?I should have said medium there. Mainly JRPG stuff, but also for games in general.
>>740174982Undertale would sell a shitton if it was "humans but they're sexy girls and naked".
>>740174682>baiting us with sans (don't forget teaser being completely centered around him)Yeah, what did Toby mean by this? I remember being super hyped for sans along with the "its a beautiful day outside" being one of the first words you read in the game. Feels like he changed his mind about sans focus at some point
>>740171245The Knight is so hot bros...
My biggest gripe so far is that 70% of Chapter 3 is that damn Gameboy minigame. We're in a gameshow world! What gameshows have you play video games?
>>740175129The game has like three endings total, one of which is your punishment for wanting to play the video game. Your choices do not matter at all outside of which ones arbitrarily set you on the different endings, which are decided very early on in the game, and you are forced to go through the mediocre ending before you get the true ending anyway.
>>740175243>JRPGEh... Only real teen focused game I can think of and Persona and Deltarune are fairly similar outside of the whole "Protagonist is possessed" thing.
>>740175116"Damn that was kinda weird, time for the next board"
>>740175202He still hasn't reached the climax, he must be completely broken down. Only then could he maybe have the chance to rebuild himself.
>>740174460Hopes>TwistedSword kino>Weird Route breaking the game even further>Friend Inside Me>Ralsei finally being useful in game>Lancer being Lancer>Finally getting answers on FRIEND>Noelle having an apocalyptic temper tantrum>Carol being badass>Gaster teaseFears>Pizzapants getting manipulated into loving the catfish relationship, nobody learns anything>Susie somehow brushing off the betrayal as quickly as it happens>Rudy actually dying>Papyrus being absent AGAIN>Rouxls being annoying>Ralsei still being useless and doing fuck all in a fight you worthless sack of shit you can't even heal that good>Catti staying irrelevant
>>740175176I'M LAUGHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.HA. HA. HA.
>>740175213That is the joke nigger
>>740175338The best 'Protagonist is possessed' RPGs are Okage: Shadow King, as well as Soul Nomad and the World Eaters.
>>740174558I clearly misunderstood Deltarune as a good game that was doing interesting things in a way I'd like, when it wasn't any of that. If what I liked about it was a lie, then Toby is wrong for making this game instead of that one, because that one is better and this game could have so easily been that much better one.
>>740175331>What gameshows have you play video games?GameCenter CXYes, Toby Fox is a weeaboo, we know, yeah
>>740175320Dess is pretty hot, yeah
THERE'S 2 ICE-EEs?
>>740170869noelle's nose isn't redis this AI?
>>740174460>HopesSome good ass fights, I was sorely disappointed by Chapter 3 (outside of the Knight) and Chapter 4 (in general, especially Gerson and the Titan).I'm not entirely sure but I vaguely remember somewhere earlier in the game that Asriel was supposed to show up at the Festival? I hope his design and Dess' are at least unique, but I realize that that's not entirely fair given every possible permutation of them probably exists as fanart by now like a fucking Fakemon.I want the Weird Route to go harder on the fucked-up shit. "Rape imagery" debacle aside Toby backpedaling on the Rose animation in THAT scene makes me feel like he might be compromising on his vision to avoid controversy in a story path that's deliberately set to be disturbing.>FEARSBasically just the inverse of previous points. we get another Titan-tier lame ass final boss fight, Weird Route gets watered down, etc. etc.
>>740175125i want to rape ralsei's goathole so bad
>>740175125He could at least have the decency to tell us it's still multiple months away for whatever reason. Christ, they just need to test the game now, it's not like they're still in the middle of adding content
>>740175125That would be very grim. I would expect a September release date if it happened, or even a December one. I would keep WAITing, though.
>>740175361>>Pizzapants getting manipulated into loving the catfish relationship, nobody learns anythingThere's a good chance that side-plot ends in le heckin' valid yaoi romance. Hope you're ready.
Spambong NEO existed because we got cucked out of an actual Mettaton NEO fight, so I have full faith that Chapter 5 will give us SERIOUS SERIES ASGORE instead of the depressed broken man from Undertale proper
>>740170869onionsan takoyaki...
>>740175331It's meant to be a television world, not a game show world. Tenna is orchestrating a game show, sure, but there are other characters like Elnina and Lanino representing weather reports for example
If the Nintendo Direct next week is real Chapter 5 release date will be revealed and it will be the 19th of June.The same as Toy Story 5
>>740175556I have a bad feeling there's like a billion minigames between the festival and the dark world and the game is still a glitchy mess because of it as we speak
>>740171216The games are fairly easy outside of optional boss fights and are extremely light in terms of rpg mechanics. The games more on the player growing attached to the characters than it’s actual gameplay to keep you invested
>>740175129>That's either autism or you haven't played many choice based gamesMust be autism then, because I've played my fair share. Picking my route through a more or less linear story does less than nothing for me and just makes me think about what the story would be like if they'd picked the best from every route and gone ham on one real main plot.>its half the reason I play games in the first place.Now THAT is autism.>The general tone of that is awful. Don't tell a genre made of tropes, tell a story about people that feel real.The general tone of "traditional fantasy" is completely fine. Tropes are inevitable in all media, characters who "feel real" are also tropes, just a slightly more complex arrangement of them.>I liked how prior to chapter 4, none of the characters really engaged with the "real plot" of the game, that being the prophecy.Your cordoning off of some plot element as the "real plot" is already concerning, the fact that you were happy to see it getting ignored is downright confusing.>Gameplay choices don't mean anything if the game never acknowledges them.If the game fails to acknowledge my gameplay choices in a given moment then what I'm experiencing in that moment isn't gameplay at all. If I "choose" to jump and either don't jump or gravity stops working because I wasn't "supposed" to jump there then I didn't really have a gameplay choice.>Undertale thinks of everything and responds to everythingAnd this is meant to deliver a point, not to be the point of the work unto itself.
>>740172117so is burgerpants
>>740171690You will be able to corrupt Shogun Asgore in the hidden 731grave route and coerce him into killing all the cute flower monsters and eventually Sans with chemical weapons.
>>740175474Susie teeth is supposed to be yellow no? weird image
I'm so tired of romance/shipping wars in indie creations. Indie creators are too stuck in their own heads and buckle under any criticism, which usually leads to a compromised vision to appease deranged, chronically-online fans.
>>740173597>>740173754I think the game should've had a more universal set of ACT moves you have to use to spare enemies instead of having every enemy have one or two exclusive moves that more or less lead to the same outcome (in most battles you get either do X and then minigame OR do X and then minigame but sacrifice the rest of the party's turns to do it faster). Why not have a set of things each member is able to do to pacify enemies and then have to figure out which ones are more appropriate for each enemy based on their personalities? (Like Kris is able to Flirt, Susie is able to Intimidate, Ralsei to Encourage, etc) with some having a side effect if they fail? Intimidating an enemy that won't take Susie's shit might make them stronger or maybe even reduce their mercy bar, for example?The game basically teased this in chapter 1 by having a good chunk of the enemies be vulnerable to sleep, where enemies would interact with different things you could do to them differently, to the point of having multiple ways you could end a battle! But then the game just defaulted to Undertale again and it pisses me off.>Where equipping certain items changes how quickly you move or gives you some kind of weird gimmick. I also like the idea of adding bombs as a mechanic. But that's kind of it as far as I can think of, and none of it is all that rpg focused.This should've been triple expanded upon, why not have both skills and items that take direct effect on the battle and can be used universally, a skill that drowses the enemy and makes the attacks slightly slower, or being able to use the speed up skill in the Knight fight in every battle. Shit, you could even go so far as to have Spamton's weapon give you like a temporary yellow soul that gives you one shot per turn or a couple shots per battle, something that would be minor and circumstantial (so as to not break the game), but make each battle much more interesting and encourage you to experiment with different things.
Is it now safe to say that the spics won against us, but lost against Toby?THEY'RE the reason he's maintaining this autistic main character syndrome silence. We never seen how he reacts to drama on that level because it's never happened before that.
>>740175416You are wrong. You misunderstood Undertale as a game about something it wasn't and are now mad about Deltarune not reaffirming your assumptions.
>>740175583Question. Why would Asgore go all out against a bunch of kids, one of 'em being his adopted child? I could see it happening with the vessel but that's not happening this early
>>740171524>image is even smallerWhat did he mean by this?
>>740175818The REAL problem is that non-major battles can't be engaging enough as to interrupt the game's precious and important corridor walking and PLOT, how DARE all of these cool enemy designs be used for something more memorable than 3 minutes of flavor text. How dare you bore people who want to see the next SCENE with GAMEPLAY? Now here's 3 minutes of pushing block puzzles that belong in the first level of a sokoban game.I've had discussions here before about how I'd like the game to be harder (though that's admittedly a much more personal preference since I'm a kaizofag tryhard) and I've had anons reply to me that the game needs to be accessible or that it would affect the pacing, and to me, those are such nonsensical issues, I played Undertale when I was like 13 years old (Jesus Christ) and it interested me so much that I pushed through and grinded for hours on the Sans fight, and learned to enjoy it. It introduced me to a type of gameplay that I have loved ever since. Point being, people will put in the effort as long as your shit is good and it feels like Deltarune sacrifices a lot of its gameplay promises for accessibility and that is a betrayal of itself and a complete lack of confidence, you might alienate people who don't want to engage in anything close to an RPG. Do you Toby? That would be so disastrous!
>>740174964>It didn't seem like that at all,It seemed like that to quite a lot of people and it did to me as well. You can't rewrite reality with hindsight, it really did look like that at the time.>If you only dealt with chapter 1 I dealt with chapter 1 expecting all the generic fantasy tropes to be heavily subverted and the story to be turned into a really surreal meta story that goes off the rails in the middle act. Not something that goes as on the rails as possible in the middle.>My positionNo, you said that, making that your position. This may be another position of yours, but you absolutely stated that as your position as well.> are you one of those types who gets attached to some narrative goal and then gets mad whenever characters don't work toward that goal "right"? I care about my personal goals, regardless of it they line up with the narrative. I hated how she kept sabotaging me in the minigames then blaming me for losing. Hated how she was the one who started a fight with Tenna without even asking me when I wanted to keep playing. Hated how she refused to accept the shadow crystal because she hadn't "earned it" when I was the one doing all the fighting for her. And I really hated how after Ralsei had been lying, manipulating, and plotting behind our backs for three whole chapters, she told him he did a good a job and to keep doing it, because he cried about how hard it was being a lying snake.I do want the prophecy to be subverted and I want to avoid the main narrative of the game if at all possible. I liked the game precisely because it wasn't afraid to completely ignore its own narrative to do something fun when the opportunity presented itself.
>>740175116
Ok, but where the fuck is my boy?
>>740175331Deltarune is set sometime after the normalization of smartphones and social media therein.Tenna is a CRT who receives analog broadcast signals.They're not in a "game show world", they're in the personal world of this old CRT who is desperately clinging to anything that makes him relevant in the eyes of his owners, including the video games Kris played on him.
>>740175848Asgore might not be in top condition mentally>flower king trapped in asylum
>>740175825If there's no newsletter, no Direct trailer, and no post on his social media by the last week of June, then this silence is 100% caused by the whole translation controversy, there is simply no explanation, Toby would have for sure mentioned the new Famitsu issue or the new merch or ANYTHING by this point.
>>740175337There's more than just endings in the game. Not only does every ending except genocide have lots of tiny variations, but there's all sorts of non-ending long running consequences for every action you take in the game. A normal game wouldn't respond to you keeping a spider donut for the entire game or have a dumpster full of yellow names if you say you dislike them.
>>740175583We will get Asgore plus the six souls (flowers) fight that we didn't get in Undertale and that will be hype.
>>740175680He has officially lost the plot if he's still trying to push gimmicky minigames instead of focusing on what made these game popular in the first place, the bullet hell fights. No one boots up Undertale to play mettaton's dogshit minigames, that's by far the worst part of the game
>>740174460My only hope is for the inevitable Suselle scene to be a visceral and mean-spirited HMOFAfag humiliation ritual. Not because I like Suselle but because Krusiefags are long overdue for a wakeup call that Toby is not, in fact, based and totally one of them.
>>740175848He will only go all out in the Weird Route trust the plan.
>>740175831What do you think I think Undertale is about, and what is it actually about?
>>740175818>>740175916Forgot to mention: elements. Why are they fucking irrelevant?
>>740175825>>740176129yeah i wouldve called bullshit if he didnt refrain from retweeting the fuckton of merch that came out before thendid not think toby was so thin-skinned
>>740176152The variations don't add anything to the game besides making monkey-brained creatures like you clap that they changed 1 line of dialogue for each character.Many games have these sorts of quirky interactions, you just clearly have not played many games. You're basically that Boss Baby meme.
friend inside me is real. he is coming
>>740171216If you’re enjoying the game just enjoy it, dude, but for me it’s>Suselle, the worst of the main ships where both characters have negative chemistry with one another and become actively worse in each other’s presence, is most probably going to be the one Toby goes with>Much of Chapter 3’s value being derived from being the funniest chapter and the initial mystique of the Sword Route, which is degraded on replays and makes the chapter somewhat of a slog.>The Titan having like 3 fucking attacks with variations and just generally being wimpy even though it’s supposed to be a big deal (and no, “it’s a newborn” isn’t enough because by that logic Toby could make Titans an even scarier force by making this newborn actually imposing)>Susie’s development in Chapter 4 becomes actively worse when you don’t do the Hammer of Justice fight>Toby censoring the rose in response to the community setting a bad precedent for a game that’s supposed to be his wild creative vision>Deltarune would probably benefit from a hard difficulty setting because trying to appease to actual gamers and people purely here for the “story” causes Deltarune to have really strange difficulty curves and the combat itself to be really simple outside of dodging>NO RAMB IN CASTLE TOWN
>>740170869>>740171289So Toby is very explicitly saying without a hint of ambiguity that the Undertale & Deltarune universal convergence will occur during chapter 5. Thank you for letting me know, Toby.
>>740175680I have made the argument that Toby would have learned to simply drop mini games by this point if it's clear that they don't work, because of his experience with Chapter 3, but honestly, after thinking about it, I can also 100% see him making the same mistake AGAIN with Chapter 5. Not to the same magnitude as Chapter 3, since I am certain this one will come out in 2026, but it will make it take much longer than it should.
>>740176108Still doubt it. Maybe if some flower parasite hijacks his brain or something
>>740176456This is not Fear & Hunger
>>740176362>friend is coming inside mehappy pride month
>>740176357>did not think toby was so thin-skinnedTo be fair, something about this translation controversy felt genuinely pre-planned, the amount of retarded art down to stuff like drawing Temmie getting lynched is fucking bizarre and doesn't seem like an organic reaction
>>740171216>combat is underbaked (shocker)>ACTing is underutilized for bosses >games are fairly easy outside of specific fights>Berdly and Noelle not becoming party members feels like a let down>weird and genocide route rely more on “hype moments and aura” than actual content>chapter 3 was underbaked>the games are no where near as complex as fans pretend>the art (especially undertale’s) can be pretty lackluster
>>740176479Isn't that the game where everyone gets raped?
>>740172280You'll never be a big shot at that rate.
>>740175474AI can’t handle all those specific background details without crapping itself
>>740175983>it looked like that at the time!And I've been told over and over that it "looked like" Kris Knight was correct during chapter 2, I never believed it back then.>I dealt with chapter 1 expecting all the generic fantasy tropes to be heavily subverted and the story to be turned into a really surreal meta story that goes off the rails in the middle actThat's exactly what we're getting thus far. We had our basic fantasy romp, now shit is getting serious, the characters are discovering that the fantasy plot wasn't just set dressing and they have to address it.>No, you said thatNo, I did not.>I care about my personal goals, regardless of it they line up with the narrative.And your "personal goals" are all based on the narrative's state. All of the minigames were designed around her acting how she does in them from the first moment, she didn't affect your chances of success. The third board wasn't cut because Susie decided to start a fight with Tenna, it was cut because chapter 3 was dragging on too long when it was there. You were never going to get a shadow crystal by losing a fight because that makes no gameplay sense, you felt cheated out of the shadow crystal because of the narrative.You niggers crying about how everyone was only in love with Deltarune because they shared a collective hallucination of what it was "supposed" to be are just wrong.>Ralsei had been lying, manipulating, and plotting behind our backs for three whole chaptersLmao.>I liked the game precisely because it wasn't afraid to completely ignore its own narrative to do something fun when the opportunity presented itself.Those fun things were part of the narrative.
>>740175848That's my biggest problem with Asgore boss, I can't see him going crazy on Kris when he loves his child. Unless he's possessed I don't see how it would happen currently.
>>740176595It's surprising because you're simply not used to hispanic fandoms. It's normal to be surprised by it since you probably never interacted with one, but they can be absolutely vicious, and they're extremely entitled too. Combine both of these things and it's no surprise it ended up like this.
>>740176260but krisellers is keeping the hmofa dream thoughever, bad ending or not
>>740176595You underestimate the power of South American autists
>>740170869So why is Susie's hair red like it is in the dark world?I suppose this really means nothing and it is just Toby forgetting the most basic things about his characters... AGAIN
>>740176260Hate to say it but agreed.
>>740176808Most Krisellefags are yurifags so it’s already over
>>740175728>Now THAT is autism.Its not that autistic. Games are an interactive medium. Interactivity is responding to player actions, and if the game has a story then the story should do that too. The more it does it, the better it is.> Tropes are inevitable in all media, characters who "feel real" are also tropes, just a slightly more complex arrangement of them.They aren't made of tropes. A well written character is made of thoughts, feelings, motivations, and opinions. Tropes are just a post-hoc method of classifying those traits and how they fit together. The problem with "traditional" fantasy, is that it focuses on the tropes first, and makes the character from them, making the character feel manufactured and fake in the process.>"real plot"Real plot is the boring "progress the story towards the ending" and "save the world" type stuff. Its doing fetch quests for Mr House to prepare for the dam, or working towards that getting a ride off Taris. The meat of the game is everything but that, its fucking around in Freeside, or doing side quests in the arena.>the fact that you were happy to see it getting ignored is downright confusing.Its what I do in every RPG game. Ignore the main plot and go off and do the stuff I actually want to do. Then I come back to it at my leisure, so it was refreshing to see a game where the characters in universe do the same.>If the game fails to acknowledge my gameplay choicesAnd even if I do jump, if the characters don't acknowledge me jumping on a ledge for thirty minutes trying to cheese a room, then that action doesn't feel real, so it may as well not have happened.>And this is meant to deliver a point, not to be the point of the work unto itself.The point of the work isn't just the core theme delivered by its narrative, but rather a great many things in it. There's more than one point to Undertale, and one of those is engaging the player in a world that responds to them like its real.
>>740176870Repeat to yourself "It's just a promotional illustration for a magazine, I should really just relax."
>>740176870>and it is just Toby forgetting the most basic things about his characters... It's either this or he noticed or but didn't give a shit, or thought the dark world palette would be more recognizable.
giwtwm
>>740176260This, the joy I would get from the tears of HMOFAfags on /trash/ and on threads here would be immense.
>>740176283As far as I can tell, you think Undertale is about letting you meet and make "choices" regarding a large volume of NPCs.Undertale is about how your mindset playing a game can harm your engagement in said game.
>>740176359>The variations don't add anything to the game besides making monkey-brained creatures like you clap that they changed 1 line of dialogue for each character.Denial and insults don't change the truth. The story changes even in minor ways to acknowledge minor actions by the player.>Many games have these sorts of quirky interactionsThey have them sure, but not as exhaustively as Undertale does. That's what makes it special, it does them for every little thing, and will call back to them hours later, multiple times.
>>740176260holy based
>>740174460>HOPESToby sticks the landing on the family drama; I still see people who treat Asgore as a 2-dimensional creep who can't get over his ex and I'm sick of the illiterate tards who think he's done nothing wrong. I want the secret boss, and hopefully the regular boss, to be the hardest yet, and in an ideal world, the shipping shit plays out in a more interesting manner than it's been leading up to. >FEARSBesides the obvious nigger in the woodpile, Asgore not making any real appearance in the chapter like Toriel in Ch3 would be a sore disappointment, and I sincerely hope June yields us some kind of news for us. If it fails to appear during SGF or next week's alleged Direct I'm going to blow my head off>>740171216Undertale is honestly kind of a slog through the RUINS and for like 60% of Hotland. The last 20% of the game really ties the whole experience together. I get weary of the battle mechanics after a while, the humor hasn't aged particularly well in some areas, and the spritework is pretty terrible at times. Deltarune, while much more cohesive narratively and visually, still has some issues; some art assets are so-so, its narrative struggles come from the prophecy schtick (perhaps just a personal dislike of them) and of course, Suselle being the weakest relationship in either of the two games. Deltarune also has some weird tonal and gameplay inconsistencies, and being an incomplete game, doesn't have an ending to tie everything together in a satisfying or devastating manner. Its lows of "humor" are arguably worse than Undertale's lows, and Castle Funk, or whatever that track is, kind of blows chunks.
>>740176750Not to patternfag but a Rals v Asgore sparring match like Susie had with Gerson makes the most sense for an Asgore style fight. We know Ralsei already knows firemagic but refuses to use it and we know Asgore did something bad in the past in an attempt to protect everyone, so maybe he shows Rals how to use in a less destructive manner or something. Seems like Ralsei is on track for a major character arc in ch5 anyway, this could be a part of it
>>740176362WOODY IS REAL.
>>740176909Well duh, these people realized that they can like kriselle instead of calling it heteron*rmativeBut still we have based lads doing justice
"Hey Kris, what if we opened a fountain right in the middle of the festival, so Ralsei could also have some fun?"
>>740176734>, I never believed it back then.But many other people did.>now shit is getting seriousAnon, I didn't want it to get serious. I wanted it to get weird. Like Twin Peaks Evangelion anime ending weird, and before that to keep all this shit in the background.>All of the minigames were designed around her acting how she does in them from the first moment, she didn't affect your chances of successNo shit I care about the narrative, its an RPG. The whole game is narrative, with game mechanics used to make it interactive.>ecause they shared a collective hallucination of what it was "supposed" to be are just wrong.There's no such thing as a shared hallucination. If multiple people saw it, then there is validity to it. And more importantly this false image of Deltarune is better than the real thing, so the game is wrong.>Lmao.Purple lizard fingers typed this post>Those fun things were part of the narrative.Yes, the best parts of it. Not the boring "save the world" plot with giant evil titans that shoot hand eye lasers.
>>740171216Deltarune's gameplay is highly mediocre and refuses to commit to being a turn based JRPG and also commiting to being a good bullet hell. Instead of improving the core gameplay Deltarune instead tries to constantly distract the player with more gimmicks and minigames like it's afraid the player will realize the gameplay's facade is paper thin.
>>740176808HMOFA Kriselle sucks.
>>740177101Its about both of those things. Those are not mutually exclusive, instead they are not only complementary, but two aspects of the same thing.
>>740171793>>740171396
>>740170869another desperate and sad attempt to try and get japanese people to care about Deltarune, lol
>>740177507go back to tumblr anon
>>740176948>Games are an interactive medium. Interactivity is responding to player actions, and if the game has a story then the story should do that too. The more it does it, the better it is.Yes, like I said, autism.Games are an interactive medium, but the primary form of that interaction is asking you to complete a challenge to progress to the next challenge. IE linear, with skill checks. If you wanted to actually translate this to interactive story, you'd have dialogue trees that you can just "fail" and need to try again later. Instead, the expectation has become that when you see a dialogue tree, you're going to be given a "real" choice between two options with positive aspects. I think this presumption cheapens gaming as a whole.>A well written character is made of thoughts, feelings, motivations, and opinions. Tropes are just a post-hoc method of classifying those traits and how they fit together.And any writer who thinks they're thinking solely about their characters' thoughts and feelings during writing, and isn't subconsciously applying tropes to them anyway, is just deluding themself.>Real plot is the boring "progress the story towards the ending" and "save the world" type stuff.Maybe in a game where there's a million side quests. But in a game about a linear narrative, the "main plot" doesn't mean the "traditional" parts of the plot, it means whatever the primary struggle of the game is.>It's what I do in every RPG game. Ignore the main plot and go off and do the stuff I actually want to do.And that's fine. But the characters in Deltarune don't do similar, because you literally can't do that in a linear plot game.>There's more than one point to Undertale, and one of those is engaging the player in a world that responds to them like it's real.But another point it makes is that there's a limited number of responses a game can have. No matter how complex it seems, you can and will run into a place where it turns robotic and unresponsive.
>>740175680Honestly this or Chapter 5 having multiple choices is the only reason why it's taking so long in my opinion. Maybe the festival is minigame feast like 3 and is taking a bunch of delevopment time. Toby really loves his minigames.
>>740176870That tone would blend in pretty badly with Chapter 1's predominantly dark color palettes
>>740176595i know a couple people, including myself, had been harboring annoyance at toby's jap larping for a long time, but nobody took it seriously until the translation controversy. it is the man's weak point, the soft underbelly he must protect from predators.
>>740177640NTA, he means in the OP image. It takes place in the Light World but Susie has Dark World colors. Not that it matters, that anon is just being tongue-in-cheek and/or autistic, but you misread what he meant.
The way that they call Gerson "old man" gives the game a feeling as though it's a poorly translated Japanese game.
>>740177507Yeah Kris is honorary yuri with a dick i agreeBut still i mean it is a human in the end
>>740177764Oh I missed that. I'm retarded and autistic myself fahaha.
>>740177720This makes me think that if the festival really ends up being a Japanese style festival, the spics are gonna have a field day making even more jokes based on Toby's weebiness
>>740175825The REAL winners are the nips, they got Toby breaking his silence to speak to them, have the festival based on them and always were Toby's favorite child. They won, everyone lost.
>>740177798what should they call him, turtle?
susie
>>740176357>did not think toby was so thin-skinneddisowning his past edgy works pretty much means he's as thin skinned as it can be
>>740177798Unironically the tone Toby is going for.
>>740177925built for defeat rape and humiliation
>>740177798i mean yeah toby blatently wishes that he was japanese and was assmad over not directly managing undertale's japanese translation. so him intentionally making deltarune feel like a shitty translation despite english being toby's native language isn't surprising
if the festival is actually jap themed and this isn't just some art for famitsu, then at least we get the final confirmation of carol's weebiness
Your honest response?
>>740177435>But many other people did.And they were ignoring parts of the game to substitute them with fanon.>Anon, I didn't want it to get serious. I wanted it to get weird. Like Twin Peaks Evangelion anime ending weird,Weird without serious doesn't work like that. All this shit had to come to the foreground because there had to be actual shit going on for weird shit to happen and matter.>No shit I care about the narrative, it's an RPG. The whole game is narrative, with game mechanics used to make it interactive.In the narrative, you won the minigame fine. In the gameplay, you won the minigame fine. You object specifically to the appearance of Susie dragging you down in the gameplay paired with the narrative of her not realizing she was playing like shit.You're not supposed to be attached to the narrative of the party having done the minigame flawlessly just because you played flawlessly, that narrative was never possible.>If multiple people saw it, then there is validity to it.1000 flies on shit are still flies on shit. People being retards who didn't get Undertale but insist they did is nothing new.>Yes, the best parts of it.Nah, pretty middling, they'd have absolutely no weight without drama and stakes to contrast against.>no why aren't you mad about Ralsei BETRAYING YOUUUUUUUHe wanted to keep us safe.>but I the player want maximum information, anything that might deprive me of this is objective evil!Lmao.
>>740177885exactly. all weeby stuff going forward is going to come under increased scrutiny, and jokes about it can easily go viral. toby told a lie in his response (he did not speak japanese when undertale was localized) and he may be forced to double down on that lie in the future, because there isn't a single chance he might admit that he lied.
>>740177808Kriselle is HFOFA.
>>740178064ME.
>>740178064THE DIALOG OPTION APPEARED IN FRONT OF NOELLE INSTEAD OF KRIS
>>740170869Wailt hold on, what is Kris wearing? because I guess there is a difference between what males and females wear in these festivals.
>>740171216>Gameplay wiseIt's missing a lot to be a proper RPG, characters have not changed mechanically at all since chapter 1 outside of characters getting their own mini act buttonsSparing enemies is extremely simple and devolves to either being a mini game, or one of two options where one is slightly betterLots of content is too easy to be interesting outside of the secret bosses, which despite being some of the best content is skipableLots of things like the town dojo, music shop etc are neglected>NarrativelyI find that the game simply has not made good use of a dark world yet, for now it's just the place where goofy shit happens and the plot gets advanced outside of them outside of a couple key momentsThe villains in general need work, Toby can't help but make them jokesThe games also rely on things being gay to be interesting if we're going to talk about romance>Release pacingIt's inexcusable with how long it's takingThis is all coming from someone who does like it and is one of their more highly anticipated games
>>740176595No no, Latin america shitposting is no joke, my people really wanted to beef Toby with those memes and the translation was the perfect excuse, even people that loves Toby
>>740177798Toby has been chasing that ever since Jevil.
>>740178248Ralsei not gay confirmed
>>740176909>WR as a scene where kris "pierces" noelle with their "thorn" causing her to bleed and be "deflowered" >clearly this is a metaphor noelle lesbian raping kris until she becomes yuri pregosbrilliant work guys
>>740176595Toby deleted his tweet about his musical contribution to YIIK the second there was even a hint of controversy about that game.
>>740178447And yet he's still friends with problematic people like Hussie (his eternal landowner) and Omocat
>>740177325Ralsei will definitely have interactions with Asgore and his flower children but I don't know if they will fight or not. I don't trust patternfagging at all honestly. But even so I don't see that being an all out Asgore fight nor the main boss, just a mini boss or a secret fight at best.
>>740178314You can believe whatever you want, but the whole world sees you spics as impoverished monkeys, no matter if you are living by the Mexican-US border or you are in the Falklands you all are an annoying joke
>>740178135>toby told a lie in his response (he did not speak japanese when undertale was localized) What? What indication do we have that this was a lie?>Toby is a weebAnd this proves he could speak Japanese before Undertale was translated because...?
>>740170869>Me so Japanese, you guys, sugoi desu>t. トビー・フォックスYour name is Toby.
I have absolutely no proof of this but I believe what really got to Toby were all the people calling him a jew.
>>740177000
>>740178647"To ensure a consistent voice for the game, 8-4 chose to employ only one primary translator, Keiko Fuchicho, even though it would lead to the Japanese version taking longer to be released. She was supported by a small team of editors, proofreaders, and a programmer who modified the game to work with Japanese writing systems. Before the translation began in early 2016, Fox provided development notes and annotated dialogue to the team, and he continued to support and advise them throughout its creation."
>>740178647The legend of localization book says Toby didn't knew japanese when Undertale was being translated.
>>740178447He deleted his tweet about contributing to YIIK because the creator of YIIK went on a big fat spergout when people called his game out for being shit and Toby doesn't want to attach himself to that degree of manbaby.
>>740178593I know that of course, even more now with the circus leak even if it was br, but that still won't stop them
Ojii-san!
>>740178769That doesn't sound like he knew Japanese before the translation was made at all.
>>740176909Blame Goomy
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