Palmer Luckey bought a Trump 2016 billboard, then Facebook killed it.

>>740184904
AI is a much more promising grift

>>740184904
What happened to autists counting toothpicks? Why do they ritualpost now?

>>740184904
>vr hardware is expensive
>a pc that can run vr is expensive
>vr games are difficult and expensive to make
>few good vr games get made
>not enough good games to convince people to pony up
>playerbase stays small
>game library stays small
Once again, it's all because of the federal reserve

>>740188745
oi vey, remember the 6 gorillian

>>740184904
Have my headset right next to me but I'm too lazy to put it on.

>>740184904
Steam Frame is coming out soon and will revitalize the market. Surely Valve won't delay the device again.

>>740184904
it would be cool if some fuckhuge multibillion dollar corporation took the reins and actually pushed VR gaming. I know that glorified chatrooms and VR zoom calls are where the money is, but gaming would be more fun.

>>740188745
>>740184904
You can play native VR games on a quest for the cost of a Nintendo Switch.
The hardware is good and the price is affordable.
There are 2 big problems left.
1. Lack of games
2. Lack of advertising

I think most people think a headset costs over $600 because most of them do. And they don't know any of the good games because nobody streams them.
There is definitely a lack of good VR games, but even the good standout games are largely unknown. You need to make them known to grow the playerbase so there will be more investment in making games.

they figured out no one wants to dl 32gb for 20min of 8k porn

VR will never be anything more than a novelty/meme.

I’m having a blast with Deadpool. Good humor and I have been newfag here since 2008 so it’s not even r*ddit humor. Too bad Zucc shut down the studio behind it.

>>740184904
waiting for Steam Frame

>>740190584
Oh I forgot to mention that it’s really fucking fast paced game. Not for VR noobs.

>>740184904
Same thing that's gonna happen to pc and consoles, entry level is too expensive

I still use my VR to play beat saber at least once a week. nothing else exists to me though.

>>740184904
Metaverse, Zuck spent 80 billion on that, failed. This is a black mark for VR for a decade

windows discontinued their VR service, turning tons of WMR headsets into bricks. Only quests and indexes remained. Occasionally you will find someone with an HTC headset.

>>740190664
same

>>740184904People are often told that Quest headsets are the best. They try them, only to find they’re actually shit, but since they’ve been hyped as the top choice they don't look any further, VR ends up being dismissed without anyone experiencing truly good VR.

>>740184904
>>740189734
If that was going to happen its now over because of the rampocalypse. It's going to be close to $1000 even with the 256GB model. Gaming that isn't cost efficient as possible like major consoles will become microscopic. PCVR failed when it was way more affordable yesteryear than it will be tomorrow. Quest 4 may never come in 2028 and it's going to be more expensive adjusted for inflation. On the standalone side we need mobile hardware to explode in price/performance to provide compelling experience. Also not happening.

>>740191470
Then what is good VR? I've tried PSVR2 and that's shit as well

>>740184904
troons happened
now no one sane wants to be associated with it

>>740191531
Good VR is minimum a 4090 PC and a headset over 2800x2800 per eye, preferably OLED

I literally just used vr 10 minutes ago what are you fucking talking about you dumb fuck. I only play vr it seems like.

It's still around, I have my quest 3, play it pretty regularly, four days a week usually, 1h thrill of the fight (1, waiting for 2 to be complete with more training/single player stuff), sometimes blade and sorcery (not super modded but a couple of thematically fitting weapon packs and some cheat magic for fucking around with stuff like full timestop)
I really enjoyed into the radius, but 2 doesn't hit for me for some reason.
I like all the tarkov/rust clones on VR, they're extremely fun and barebones and there's just no one that WANTS To bother cheating on them lmao. It feels great to be able to play rust without cheaters and find people that talk and stuff again.
It's such a niche that you find regular people on it.

But, the lack of MAJOR new titles and then meta shutting down their VR studios recently ("HURR ITS JUST HORIZONS" yeah and that's a precursor to total culling of quest, it's clearly not doing well) means that VR is probably on its way to another hibernation for a few years.
Beat Saber and Alyx are literally all normalfags ever mention. MAYBE job simulator but that's just an "experience".

>>740190664
Will we get Star Citizen or Steam Frame first??

>>740191897
He posts this thread 3-4 times a day every day. He can't afford a VR headset because he lives in Mumbai, so it's dead to him.

>>740191531
Not that anon but when you cut out all the cope, there still isn't a good VR headset. Weight and wireless streaming quality is finally being fixed in the industry, but in the near future you still have to choose between:

1) low cost, "standard" fov that's still lame, shit resolution panels with bad lcd black levels

2) high cost, shit fov that's even more shit, good resolution and good oled black levels

And as of now there's still no passable HDR from either of them. Brighter screens and more efficient lenses exist on trade show floors but that does not mean you'll see products you can buy anytime soon.

Steam frame will be the best headset in existence as an overall package at least for a few months, maybe over a year, but it's not because the specs are good. When a headset with boring specs is the best one and it's going to be $1000, you can only get there by something really retarded going on. We should have had much better low end headsets years ago. Meta is run by foolish people. Valve is run by slow people that didn't land the plane before prices went apeshit. Apple and samsung are also dumb and fucked up in the high end space. I really don't know what is wrong with this generation. I'm starting to wonder about all the categories of products that failed simply because nobody competent was competing in the space. I've also learned good ideas aren't inevitable. It can stay a shitshow forever.

>>740192594
Can I open Anthro Heat and fap to gay furry sex? Then VR is good.

>>740184904
It's still good, despite meta trying to kill it.
I like the idea of valves headset but the v&w cameras kill my interest because mixed reality fightan games account for about 95% of my vr time, easily 1 hour per day.

Meta killed them during the time period people had disposeable income.

They bought out the best price to performance company, then required a facebook account to use it.
A locked down market like being forced to use the google or apple store on a phone.

All this while issues with the technology itself was still being resolved. Like full range adjustment for eye width.
A vr headset must be adjusted perfectly to eye width or it creates massive eye strain. This means one of the most expensive recreational devices is not suitable to share between household members without adjustment. Many models don't even have enough range to adjust for big brained wider heads.

Vr also requires decent open space to swing around with controllers and not hit things you cannot see, at a time when housing is unaffordable and most people share cramped living space. This makes them especially unsuited to children that will break expensive stuff around the computer they are plugged into.

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The main problem with the quest is that you need to spend a further 140 bucks on a new headstrap and visor.
If you try using the stock ones, you'll have a miserable time and absolutely kill any passion you might otherwise have had for vr, and give you a massive face ache for your trouble.

Vr is great, once you pick up aftermarket stuff, real shame it ships half finished.

>>740193167
only thing I needed for mine was a battery pack cause that bitch only lasts like 3h streaming from pc.

>>740184904
>70% of users experience some degree of nausea while using VR

Hmm I wonder why it was never commercially successful.

>>740193310
>70% of people are weak sisters
This is disconcerting.

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>>740193383
VR niggers:
>instead of trying to fix VR let's just call 70% of our potential customer base "weaksisters"
>Why won't you buy my face screen????

>>740193310

The brain does not like movement it cannot verify via the senses. The inner ear knows you are not moving but the eyes are telling the brain you are. This is contrary to all the systems your body synced to know distance and what energy is required to go from position to position in a coordinated manner when you were a toddler learning to walk.

You are basicly unlearning to walk.

>>740192254
>B-B-BUT INDIA!!!

>>740184904
It's good for porn, but otherwise too much of a hassle

>Requires space
>Cost too high. Either requires a bunch of accessories or a decent PC

It was doomed in this economy.
Recommend people play Alyx, Beat Saber, Walkabout, H3VR because it's the closest I felt to a console generation jump in forever.

You can play RE4 on a quest 1 if you sideload it. Have no idea why Zuck decided to fuck his own product by making it Quest 2 only on release.

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>>740184904
Zuck killed it. You can literally plot the exact moment it died.
>lots of indie games coming out, they're expensive tech demos but they have interesting mechanics
>slowly improving
>HLA and Index releases <- peak interest
>Zuck tries to go mass market, pushes everything to be android shovelware, makes everything exclusive and linked to fb account
the games all stopped there and the party was just over.

>>740193807
The vr market is essentially limited to Low-IQ "people" with specific brain damage to their vestibular system.

>>740193751
>weak sister doesn't like being called a weak sister
There's not much to fix except your constitution, you weak sister.

>>740193310
mine stopped after a few days. coincidentally, that's about when it stopped feeling like I was a different world and instead felt like I had screens really close to my eyes. the nauseating VR experience was mind blowing though.

>>740194036
it doesn't even require that much space what are you a nigger? and the cost basically fits what you get, niggers will justify any cost especially for pcs but not this.

>>740194098
it's not even dead it's just losing some dead weight at worse, in fact the valve thing will really give more people it.

>>740184904
normalfags can't afford it, which is a shame. RE4 remake in VR was incredible, I replayed the game 3 times in a row.

>>740194302
enjoy playing the same 2 actually good games made for VR until the end of time, faggot.

>>740194505
Anthro Heat and Trombone Champ?

>>740194545
lold

>>740194098
>makes everything exclusive
more like paid for games to be made for his platforms and the devs didn't bother porting it for PC because there's zero market

>>740194545
When you think about it they're basically the same game.

>>740193310
This number is useless because is that 30% no nausea at all under any circumstances? That would be amazingly good. It would be like if 30% of people could play tennis without getting tired. I experience nausea for certain types of rotation but just surging and swaying I get over it in a few minutes if I haven't played VR in a long time, so I'm in the 70%. Am I in the middle of the bell curve or the edge? This statistic doesn't say.

What's stupid is I haven't seen any 1st party software that's designed to orient you and teach you how to deal with simulator sickness. People try to play through the sickness because they have no guidance whatsoever, you are just baking in the problem doing that because you're teaching your brain to further associate vestibular conflict with illness.

>>740195152
It can't be taught in a lot of cases. That's why some people can't read in cars and shit.

>>740184904
just look at the absolute state of flat games

>>740193751
They need to do both. Not everyone will just naturally be able to pick up physical sports quickly even if they are healthy enough to play them. Those people need good advice. At the same time just saying you don't need any grit and we can fix you with hopes and dreams would be a bald face lie.

WHERE IS MY GODDAMN STEAM FRAME GABEN.

GIVE IT TO ME YOU actually doing much better weight wise I'm kinda proud of you FUCK.

>>740195206
Well, maybe. Motion sickness and simulator sickness are both vestibular conflict. But they are also the opposite of each other when you describe the problem. One requires ignoring physical motion and the other requires ignoring visual information. Also people do accommodate to motion sickness, there are people now who get car/sea sick that can improve but it's not requirement. I agree people eventually plateau at different levels though.

>>740184904
people wear glasses.

>>740193960
Even the porn is too much of a hassle. I have the XBVR and heresphere local server shit all set up but I just can't be bothered

>>740193159
So many quest users are children and gorilla tag is a consistent best seller. Kids really like VR because self gaslighting and sour grapes are adult qualities they haven't developed yet. They try VR and their inner voice says "wow this is cool I really like it", like a normal healthy non brain damaged person would think before they get acne and start arguing with strangers on the internet as their primary form of recreation. Also kids have plastic vestibular systems and don't get sick as near as often as adults. It's important to expose them to VR to reduce simulator sickness in the population. When FPS was created by 20+ year olds a portion of them got sick that is hard to believe today. Now it's almost impossible for kids not to have exposure to first person games. Thus first person sickness is extremely rare.

>>740184904
Still way too niche of a thing to sell and not much being developed for it. Plus it's just a pain in the dick to use, even the lightest and least obtrusive headsets become uncomfortable after a while of use. Also, Facebook straight up killed their own VR momentum, you had to have an account and they make it as difficult as possible to sign up and maintain your account. Getting locked out of using your headset is quite easy to do.

>>740194310
I'm not really sure these are related, just happening at the same time

So for example I got over sickness that stopped me from moving in the world literally in a few minutes, but I was still mind blown and felt like I was inside half life alyx.

Two things did make me feel like I had screens close to my eyes. First was going from a display port headset to quest 2 wireless. It doesn't look like dogshit on most of the image but there's a big quality difference you have to instantly A/B to understand. Video compression artifacts shit on presence, they fuck with the binocular effect too because the artifacts are different for both eyes. It's the same with resolution. Sharp edges have a bigger effect on realism than you'd think. It's not like looking through blurry goggles. When resolution sucks things don't look like they are there in front of me.

The second is after playing VR for a long time I'm noticing it's not verifocal, so distance looks shrunk and my brain figures out the focal point is 6 feet away. I'm not able perceive vastness and long distances despite the binocular cues telling my brain that landscape is far away.

>>740194098
only zuck could create something that soulless

>1. Facebook
>2. Nobody with brain cells is strapping a TV to their eyeballs for hours at a time.
You end up with retards with money to blow, and that's not a sustainable audience outside of gambling.

>>740184904
>What happened to VR?

>sold millions of headsets
>hundreds of VR games on steam
>active enthusiast community

>also in the same rut as the rest of gaming where the investment to make a new game is the eight to nine-figure range and games keep flopping, spooking the investors needed to make more games

>also the META debacle which lost enough money to fund three round trips to the moon

I'm fine with fun little shit like walkabout mini golf. I'd love a few more Alyxs, but gaming in general is in a shitty place.

I find it funny how the poorfags and weak gened "muh nausea" peopl always find their way here.

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>strongbad walkabout DLC coming but its not a course

This monkey's paw is the cruelest of all. A strongbad / VR crossover is the most obscure interest overlap I've ever heard of. And I still feel like I'm being blueballed.

>>740197507
>>also the META debacle which lost enough money to fund three round trips to the moon
We have homeless veterans dying on the streets and Zuckerberg spent billions of dollars on a failed VR enterprise.

>>740184904
its a scam , real VR is more akin to sword art online.

these vr headsets wouldnt be so bad if they could be a replacement for a tv and you could just game with a normal controller, fps games would be amazing with so much more screen space
startrek holodecks would be a thing before real VR headsets at the rate we are advancing

there's just retarded critics vr is great

>>740198349
I wish SAO was real so SAO posters would get inside and we can simulate backrooms poolrooms except its shit instead of water

>>740184904
no one made games for it so there was no reason to buy into it unless you want to play third life

>>740184904
I was going to buy the steamframe and develop a VR game for fun but im just going to ignore it after the crazy price increases. This market is dead and its not coming back for another 10 years.

>>740191986
>job simulator
What a piece of shit. You can find better games for free in VRC. I guess that's part of the problem with VR. There's not a big enough market for high budget games and low budget games are being outcompeted by f2p amateur projects, but said f2p games don't expand the market because everyone thinks VRC is just a virtual chatroom

>>740184904
Nobody has a VR headset because nogaems because it makes no sense to develop VR games because nobody has a headset.

>>740190150
list 6 to 7

>>740193751
They made a bunch of comfort settings for your bitch ass but you like to pretend they don't exist. VR doesn't need to be fixed, the user does

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>>740184904
Almost zero worthwhile experiences. The most valuable games are still the same ones from years ago. Beat Saber, Half-Life Alyx, VRChat etc.

Barrier to entry for anything more complicated than the headset itself. You want fully body tracking? You'll need to do basic consumer research and software tweaking, this is beyond the average person.

The IRL literal barrier to entry of space being required. Many people now live in cramped abodes with little to no walking space/little room to swing your arms around. Meaning games and experiences that need you to not be static and swing weapons are just straight up unplayable for a lot of people.

VR will only ever take off when it becomes brain-dive tier. Where just thinking moves your character around exactly how you want. Now games aren't limited by the dimensions of people's rooms, or their physical fitness.

>>740193751
You can't fix a certain percentage of the population being genetic inferiors who get motion sick.
Not by tweaking the headset anyways. There are pharmaceutical solutions to motion sickness, though I can't say how effective they are because I'm a motion chad.

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>>740198349
>these VR headsets wouldnt be so bad if they could be a replacement for a TV and you could just game with a normal controller

>>740184904
The people who were supposed to be putting all the money into it were desperate to find some sort of business use case so games fell by the wayside
Hardware crisis getting in the way of prices falling for wider adoption

>>740196039
You can wear a headset with glasses. It's a little uncomfortable, but it works. Or get prescription inserts.

>>740184904
Lack of interest and too much risk to take on an expensive/ambitious project that could fail in a collapsing economy. Now it's 99% tech demos and 'safe' games with small budgets hoping to make a quick buck. A shame there was a lack of Japanese/Chinese-developed games, I enjoyed the MyDearest VNs.

>>740189734
The Steam Frame is a Quest 3 sidegrade. It's not revitalising anything, because it ultimately meets neither the social or enthusiast niches VR is currently spit into. It's doa hardware.

>>740184904
As a consumer product it failed the essential hurdle of answering the question "why would someone use this instead of what already exists (screens). It just kind of assumed people would without much reason.

As a subject of investment scams it got overshadowed by AI.

>>740193310
bro it's the same for fps games. most people simply aren't built for gaming

>>740193012
What game?
The one where you are an earthbender?

>>740189615
Same, it's just uncomfortable and troublesome to set up compared to normal vidya.

>>740184904
It's sitting in my whiskey cabinet to be taken out for special occasions where I want to masturbate in 3D.

>>740200534
First, I wish I thought to save that Yaia 6-7 image for this
Second, NTA but here's my list:
Beat Saber
Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes
Don't Touch Anything VR
Skyrim VR
Tower Unite (the better VRChat)
The Room VR
Unreleased yet, but Broken Reality 2000 comes out this month (I hope it's good)
And I'm going to collectively put every game the UEVR mod can be added to (Palworld being the example)

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>>740184904
Mostly useful for AI programmers to schedule influences. Useful because scheduled influencing is relatively easy compared to employing them on paper.
VR is a job simulator, or the ultimate fantasy. Both are expensive, except while either your standards are low, or else you are just benefited enough anyway.
>>740188745
I run a lot of old VR games, 2020, with a 6600 RX and sixteen gigabytes RAM. Not very expensive. I got my Meta Quest 3 at four hundred dollars. Refurbished.
Playerbase is small, but sometimes the real VR were the, small close knit, friends along the way.
>>740189615
I'm so used to stickering my lenses to remove dust, wiping the detachable lens protectors, and attaching the lens protectors. Only takes me a minute. I then just leave the lens protectors on all day.
>>740189734
>>740190664
Only two more weeks.
>>740190338
Not true. I can't even imagine simulating one of my specialties without VR goggles. Flatscreen just isn't as useful. VR over flatscreen.
>>740191470
They are not shit, but you have to buy multiple accessories. Consider a halo style goggle strap with a fan and battery built in, a face gasket with a fan built in, detachable lens protectors, and a blue tooth miniature, foldable keyboard. You also need a 6e WIFI.
>>740193159
VR can be done in a one hundred degree open space. I play with my back against my bed. In only a yard span each way.
>>740193167
Ships half finished, but full finished would be marked up for profit? Better to have the most quality, with bare bones which bones can easily be replaced with third party products. All my accessories total about one hundred forty dollars.
>>740194036
Recommending Beat Saber, Walkabout, and H3VR too. I also recommend Pavlov, and VRChat too. These two games are situational depending your friends, or hobbies. Interesting enough. I played TableTop Simulator in VR with Anons from /vg/ board games. Very fun. I felt like I was at a board game table with them.
Plus UE injector modded games.

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>>740198349
>real VR is more akin to sword art online.

You have to go back.

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Nothing happened to it. VR is great and still works.

The problem is that people expect it to kill flat gaming. It's not going to do that. It is its own thing. If flat gaming is burgers, VR is sushi. It's fancy, arguably objectively better, but you can't just eat sushi forever, you need burgers as your daily driver.

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>>740201174
The Quest 3 is kinda the ideal headset. It's what everyone wanted VR to be. No wires. No base stations. Just turn it on and play games. And most importantly, it's cheap.
That said, I do wish there was a PCVR version that saves even more on cost and battery life by cutting out the processing requirements and focuses entirely on wireless streaming speed.
I don't mind reduced graphical fidelity for native VR games, but PCVR allows for high quality ports. That's what they need to do to make VR go mainstream. Fund high quality ports of games like Farcry or whatever. Way cheaper than making new VR games with a small playerbase.

>>740201625
>Beat Saber
This is the ONE good VR game.
>Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes
Cool meme game to play for 30 minutes with a friend.
>Don't Touch Anything VR
Hadn't heard of this one but I'm pretty sure it's not standalone.
>Skyrim VR
This is not standalone either and guess what, at the end of the day it's just Skyrim. Being VR does not magically make it more fun once the novelty wears off.
>Tower Unite
Dead game
>The Room VR
Another 2 hours game you will never play again

>>740201965
>That said, I do wish there was a PCVR version that saves even more on cost and battery life by cutting out the processing requirements and focuses entirely on wireless streaming speed.

The vast majority of what you need for a wireless streaming headset is the same as what you need for a standalone headset, so nobody is going to develop a standalone headset that can't be used standalone. If they did, it would either use the same hardware (and thus be cucked in software) or be more expensive due to the custom hardware.

>>740201937
Some things people should know about this image

Meta profile setup is creepier than you think. You have to install an app on your phone to setup your headset, both the headset and the phone need an internet connection and your GPS has to be on on your phone. I am being serious. It would not work until I turned GPS on. After installing steam link I never connected it to the internet again because I'm always hearing about updates breaking the quest.

$25 virtual desktop and free steam vr are an option for both. Virtual desktop has a better reputation overall, Steam VR improves slowly but is bad without eyetracking because you can't turn off fixed foveated rendering so edges always look like shit. Valve won't change it because they won't.

Halo headstraps are bad and a meme. Get a $50 standard temple arm headstrap with a rear battery to balance the headset.

Quest 3 can use 6ghz band so like frame you generally won't have to give a shit about channels. This image is 100% accurate for quest 2 with 5ghz. You will have to consult reddit/discord and read guides like that just to pick the right router. The kevin is a real because it used to be the cheapest 6E router. It's $140 now but there are cheaper options.

I still think it's funny "the metaverse" got apollo moon mission levels of funding and the result was horizon worlds

All the games feel like third party walmart bucket. I'm also too lazy to stand around.

>>740202823
Halo straps are awesome and based. You just need a headset that isn't as heavy as a brick. My Beyond with a halo strap was max comf

>>740202036
Because ram and ssd prices have gone insane someone needs to resolve wireless without making the headset a full portable system.

>>740203009
I should say I have a quest 2 and quest 3 is the same weight class

But as the headset gets lighter then you can just use any strap and have a better experience. But the image is comparing quest to frame so a 100 gram headset being better with a halo strap is moot

>>740184904
Meta did everything in their power to commit ritual suicide in a walled garden with as many devs in their circle as possible.
They sadly succeeded so there's very few good vr games out there that aren't friendslop rehashes

Anyone tried Flatout 4 VR? I heard every Flatout after 2 was dogshit but people have been raving about this so maybe the immersion overcomes the negatives