seems like f2p gacha games where you farm daily logins consumed the market
>>740557308because they dont make them like they used to. If they Remade Lineage 2 Chronicle 1 through 6 with a modern engine it would be literal online crack
>ib4 100 replies by 25 year old zoomers that insist some regurgitated opinion from joshstrifehayes about how "they were always le chat rooms!!"These threads are pointless. The people on /v/ now were fetuses when MMO's were in their heyday so it's impossible for them to have a real opinion on them.
>>740557308Maplestory Classic is getting some hype but I genuinely think themepark MMOs were absolutely retarded and it took 20 years for brain damaged millennials to realize it. WoW is also just objectively shit, even omega shills like BelluarGaming have started to notice.
FFXIV is thriving again.Sucks to be WoW.
>>740557543oh shit that's trueI forgot people here were born in the 21st century
>>740557308"Themepark" MMOs were originally trying to be Online D&D, but then Wrath of the Lich King happened and the realized that there were a lot of players who liked attack spam gameplay with minigames and so that has since completely taken over, but it didn't have much longevity, because this sort of gameplay sacrifices what MMOs are good at for the things they are not good at, which means that people eventually figure out that they could have more fun in singleplayer games or more conventional multiplayer games.
>740554682If you check this thread, I forgot about the other one: Economy ruined, people buying their way through since level 1 with the gold they bought, profession resoueces camped by bots, boosts, gear runs, disgusting. I want a clean server where everything happens naturally within the server and there's no real life intrusion.
>>740557308I care OP, and I always post in your topics.
>>740557308couse their all shit and have retarded people playing them. FUCK MMOs >seems like f2p gacha games where you farm daily logins consumed the marketyes, it lets them pretend they are playing a game. they are sucked there forever. the pandoras box has been opened.>>740557409>Lineage 2 Chronicle 1 through 6 with a modern engine it would be literal online crack[x] doubtfor starters, lineage was never that popular in the west, not even at its peak
>>740554682>>740558160
>>740557308Because the reasons you THINK and the reasons people SAY they played/were attracted to (theme park) MMOs were bullshit, and the actual reasons they played (theme park) MMOs are something else entirely. Not only that, but the *actual reasons* they played these specific MMOs were directly done better by gacha/F2P shit. Same reward structure, done faster and more efficiently, so the same people who would normally be taken in by the same psychological tricks behind leveling are taken in by gacha instead. That's why there's a demographic collapse in MMO playerbase and the only people playing them are those who got stuck in before.People whining about le lower attention spans are full of shit and don't understand incentives. If you tell someone, OK, I can give you two candy bars now, or I can make you climb a cliff face and give you a candy bar at the top, noone's going to pick the second one unless they care about rock climbing and don't care about candy. They got outcompeted, because these games built themselves on a foundation under the assumption noone would do it better.
>>740558045>Attack spam gameplay = Pressing more buttons than Shadowbolt
>>740557308Did you not see the hype around GW3? It's just nothing good has released in the last so many years.
>>740558252>another retarded zoomer take on MMOs
>>740557628>omegashills like belluarkekw hes not a shill hes a grifter who farms the algorithim when wow is doing good he makes positive videos when its starting to drop off or do badly he makes videos shitting on it
A lot of mmos have too much clutter and seem dime a dozen for me that’s why it’s hard to care for new ones
>>740557308Idk why this thread needs to be made so much. Wow's extreme popularity stemmed from the fact that it was a social experience. Socializing with friends and strangers on a video game where you work together to solve a problems in a huge magical world was a really novel concept at the time. With so many multiplayer games on the market now and the internet being so much more accessible and widespread, the novelty of an mmo just isn't there anymore.
How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG of 2026?
>>740557308cus all the women are fuck ugly now, 20 years and they couldnt make one more iconic than some random lvl 40 dungeon side boss
>>740557308Everyone is playing FFXIV and OSRS lil broblizzcucks lost
>>740557308>where you farm daily loginsMMOs already turned into that before f2p gacha was a thing. It was only natural that lower budget daily quest simulators would outcompete big budget ones.
>740558431^ Like clockwork: >>740557543
>Bro MMOs are dead!>WoW is alive>FFXIV is alive>RS is alive >Mid range MMOs are alive (EVE, Foxhole, Albion, ect)>Even a large indie scene (Farever, ect) and private scene There have literally never been more MMOs or MMO players.
>>740558252This is exactly why I think theme park MMOs were fundamentally flawed from day one, by the way. MMOs DO have unique gameplay to offer to players, but they build themselves on something that's not unique at all, just a very dragged out, poor quality version of a single player RPG.Anyone who tells you 'but it's about inhabiting a virtual world!' is full of shit, because virtual worlds like UO and SWG were much more believable and player responsive. They didn't flock to those.If they tell you 'but it's about the journey and not the destination', they're full of shit.
>>740558346I've been playing MMOs since 1997
Because1) interacting with people in real time over the internet isn't novel anymore,2) the mystique of vast, online worlds is gone thanks to datamining and youtube, and3) zoomies don't have the attention span for MMOs. The first thing they do after installing a new one is look up a guide, follow it step by step to the end, go "that was lame" and boot up Fortnite.
>>740557308It's all WoW clones or P2W.
>>740558839Why is your game getting outcompeted by Fortnite?
They used to be social platforms and none of them have worlds anymore where you see people running around and people talk or working together. Nobody needs to.They'll never get classic WoW feeling back where everything was new, everyone saw the zones for the first time and you saw people running around and the main cities were packed, people had unique mounts, best gear without transmog. You'll never get that in any back.OSRS is point and click outdated, and it has no actual content besides grinding, like housing is still garbage and its mostly singleplayer content and world. Its the least shit of the mmos though. It would be the best MMO if they just added more customization and things to do in the game. As well as removing many of the useless worlds so the players are more concentrated.
>>740558160>>740558227Blizzard also has their awful moderation system that only checks for volume of reports, so bots can basically run the game by banning anyone who gets in their way.Most MMOs aren't retarded enough to allow for this kind of shit though, I'm pretty sure it's a Blizzard-exclusive problem.
Monsters and Memories seems like the only MMO I can tolerate right nowI'm more of an Ultima Online and EverQuest gamer, however. I don't like post EQ2 MMOs that much.
>>740557308becauze zoomers would rather click x to awesome their way to a skimpy generic waifu jpg
>>740558252i played lots of MMOs and never saw the people i played with as gamers at all. at best they liked MMOs as a genre, but were stuck playing the same one over and over again due to sunk cost.
>>740557308other players ruin the experiencetoo many casuals. too many third worlders. too many dadgamers. too many retards.seems like all the beareable people just disappeared from the genre
>>740557308Gacha chores need 5 minutes a daymodern MMO chores need 3 hours a day
Because there’s dedicated social media now
>>740559090Bots inflate the sub numbers, and that looks good on the reports. I thought osrs also had a bot problem, but yeah the wow situation is ridiculous.
If we're being real, what's the real difference between MMOs and Gacha games anyway?The things MMOs accel at are raids and more complex class/character combat mechanics.The intent back in the day was that you were paying the monthly subscription because these MMOs were the cream of the crop, and you were buying a ticket out of the awful browser and korean MMOs.Nowadays all the free gacha games have even more production value than the major MMOs with subscriptions, and if you're more an action fan over of tab targeting then it's over.I think the core issue is the "MMORPG" ended in about 2017, but these games are still dragging themselves along.
>>740558465what the fuck does this have to do with the topic at hand?you coomers are completely insane
>>740559326Yeah, for the most part they're solely MMO players, not people who play shit fucking all else. It's why you see defense for the most indefensible shit in the world.
>>740557308>seems like f2p gacha games where you farm daily logins consumed the marketGacha's success is independent of that. The MMO market was consumed by social media when people realized that, instead of paying a subscription for a dogshit game that takes up your whole life, you can ragebait even more people than just city chat at once with a throwaway Twitter account. Every other feature of an MMO is secondary to the MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER part and that isn't special anymore.
>>740557308The core of it, and fuck whatever anyone else says, will always just be subscription costs. Paying $15/mo to play got heavily valued out as the rest of the industry developed, more avenues for social or large-number-of-players games appeared, and the economy also just getting far worse.It's also the driving factor as to why so many players are soulless minmaxers now that obsess over XP efficiency, as you want all the value of your dollar as you can--especially since many players now are teenagers that used to be able to faff about and not care that they were wasting subscription days while playing on their parent's dime That's why shit like Turtle WoW was so popular. You play with the full MMO experience, including new content updates, without any form of payment actually being relevant to the intended experience. That's something that ends up limiting other "free" or "pay-once" MMOs. Like how ESO isn't more popular because the game is clearly somewhat designed around ESO+, whereas something like SWTOR was able to last longer than it should because of how the Preferred status works.
>>740560456The subscription cost is the problem, but not in the way you're thinking. When you have recurring income, your job shifts from 'how do I make the best game possible' to 'how do I retain as many players as possible'.
>>740557308>why does no one care about MMOs anymoreHave you logged into one recently?>general channels SPAMMED with boosts>try to get into anything and its like a job interview>get denied from everything cuz either not good enough gearscore or no logs>paid addon advantages>everything is treated like a speed running simulator>if you ask questions your kicked>nobody talks cuz you cant cuz talking means your not pushing your rotationALL MMOs are like this in 2026 and ALL of this gets WORSE and WORSE the EASIER the content gets, classic wow is more gatekept then retail and retail is a motherfucking e-sport.
>>740560673>wowtroon thinks their shit game applies to every mmokys
>>740557308The novelty of an online world has faded since everything has online these days so mmos don't get much fresh blood anymore. The second problem is the game itself, WoW turned a genre which is supposed to have broad appeal as a key concept and gave it a laser focus on raiding filtering out everyone that doesn't care about raids and now the only ones that remain are the raiders who don't care about anything else, and now you have an awful niche game that only appeals to a very small minority of people.
>>740560614>to 'how do I retain as many players as possible'I think XIV has a huge problem with this. Their content model is designed around stability and predictability so that it sort of forms a cost equivalent in the player's mind.>I'm paying $60 over 4 months so that's worth 2 dungeons and a raidand I saw the community fallout when the studio then said>actually we can only make 1 dungeon now
If there is any friction in the game at all it gets removed by a third-party addon or if that's not possible people tweet at the developers until they streamline it.
>>740560614Really it ends up coming from both sides. Runescape is the premiere example, as F2P has outright hostile design as to encourage people to subscribe in ways that go far beyond just new content, and the fetishization of the grind has been entirely preyed upon by the devs to make>click the same 3-5 spots on your screen for 20 hours straight, about a couple dozen times, and we'll allow you to play some 20min long point and click adventure quests that are mostly padded by item checks and backtrackingseem acceptable to its players
>>740560757heres 2026 everquest you dumb nigger
>>740560835Troon fantasy suffers from the same thing all "MMOs" and even most ARPGs suffer from.They put all the eggs into that "endgame content" basket while also simultaneously making thing "accessible" through lack of requirements to access the content and lack of challenge in the content itself.This means the new content is accessed and consumed on release week or even day, sucked dry and then players have fuck all to do because the rest of the game became pointless ages ago.So players play for a week or two and then quit till the next update. Meanwhile the devs are forced to constantly churn out rushed content to make players come back. Of course with such a development cycle the quality and creativity of the updates decline over time while the base game gets more and more neglected which only reinforces the issue.
Gameplay wise mmos do everything worse than the genres they have in common with, when you play an mmo you are essentially getting diluted bits and pieces of a boring poorly made action rpg...think about it.>quests are generic as fuck stuff like collect 10 boar assholes from copy and pasted mobs >gameplay is spamming a one button rotation in wow for example, or clicking a resource node for 100 hours like in runescape>story is far worse than a decent rpg>pvp is unbalanced and mechanically a mess, and the most basic bitch online comp game has it completely dwarfed in every regard.The only things left in mmos are the socialization and the immersive world, the former is completely absent since no one bothers to socialize, so your left with a comfy world and thats it.Essentially mmos were immersive world scale chatrooms with economy and progression systems, but now that thats stripped away your left with a genre 10x worse in every way than its sisterhood alternatives. They are just more complex cookie clicker sims and nothing more.
>>740561646pukeko
>>740561646The main objective of an MMO, whether intentionally or not, is to treadmill as much content (or the illusion of content) as humanly possible to retain playercounts for as long as possible. This means you have to make the pre-endgame experience long and drawn out with boring, shallow quests to keep players busy for exactly 31.5 days. It simply wouldn't be possible to make every quest interesting and impactful or you'd be done with the game in 5 hours. At that point you'd just unsub after your first month.PVP is always an afterthought because 75% of players don't touch PVP even once, and wouldn't even if it was good.
I honestly had hopes for riot games to make a passable mmo, they seem to be keen on giving players the gameplay systems they want and crave, if it ever were to come out we can assume it would have good pacing
>>740557774kek.
>>740561646MMOs have game design for RPGs completely ass backwards in the leveling phase, is why the gameplay is bad. RPGs design content so that you do it of your own free will, for fun, and you level up as a byproduct of it. An RPG where you are doing shit for the sake of leveling up has fucked up, badly. MMOs rarely if ever give you the former.
>>740561894Precisely. When people blame poor attention spams for lack of interest its hysterical and couldn't be farther from the truth, the pre-endgame gameplay loop is boring as shit.... it was always boring as shit there just use to be socialization and no meta fagging since the internet was young.Why do players rush to endgame? Simply because the gameplay systems are more engaging at the end. I dont want to click on a pixelated rock to get my mining up for 200 hours in ruhescape, nor do I want to frostbolt boars for 200 hours from barrens to desolace. Those days are behind me
>>740561646It's basically this. The genre was something else in 2000-2006 where social media hadn't taken off and the games acted like a chatroom.Now you're just placed into a queue and you wait.And then once you get into the event/raid you have to make sure you watched the youtube video beforehand.
>>740562038Yep. Why can't mmo players understand every action of leveling should be done for fun rather than obligation? They do these mental gymnastics and blame a billion other things instead of confronting the fact that the gameplay is outdated and boring as shit.The fact that most players skip leveling when givin the opportunity speaks volumes.Imagine paying someone to play doom or morrowind for you
>>740558306Yes.
>>740562038The point of MMO leveling is (or was) that since things took time and often times required the help of others, you got to socialize with people. You also organically learned about how the game works, including your class, synergies between different classes, economy, crafting, navigating the world and so on.Meanwhile today the genre features 1 day long solo leveling where you mindlessly mash one button on autopilot and teleport around following the quest marker while learning nothing and talking to nobody.Once done with leveling you can engage in the "endgame" which is interacting with rabid raidniggers.
I resubbed to FFXIV last week to do the story quests, and then it hit me just how boring the main loop is.>log in>do daily dungeons for stones (can only get 450 a week anyway)>dungeons are just a hallway>queue up for a raid>12 minutes of waiting time, literally stand in the game and wait>gatherer classes>you just click on the rock>level up a new class>have to do 30 hours of boring dungeons to slowly level upI don't know what WoW or the other MMOs are like, but I just unsubbed after a few days.
>>740562454The amount of retarded ass motherfuckers who didn't know how to play the game at high levels in any MMO ever put to rest any idea that leveling teaches you how to play the game. Leveling teaches you how to level.
>>740562454No, nigger, the point was to stretch it out through grind so A) you got milked for subscription money, and B) mentally ill savages that should have been culled at birth got addicted to their game.
>>740562367to be fair, that kind of shit exists anywhere that it's possiblepeople even try to sell things like pokemon or elden ring runesif they could sell "morrowind piloting services" they would
>>740562561WoW is even more grindy in my experience, at least it was before I quit in shadowlands.The endgame is way better though, to the point where leveling is considered an obstacle rather than part of the game.
>>740562691Sure, but if you look at the statistics on people who have real world traded or bought services, its like 75% of any given mmo population.People just dont do that in other genres even if its offered and accessible
>>740557308No one cares about MMOs because there ARE no new MMOs. One of two things happens;1. A studio tries to make an actual MMO and ends up drowning in how hard it is to do properly and how much it costs, then either shuts down or languishes in early access until obscurity2. A studio SAYS they're making an MMO and it's just an interactive MTX store with 6 hours of content artificially extended to 50 hours by time-gating, RNG, and FOMO design (AKA every Chinese or Korean "MMO")No one is actually MAKING MMOs any more. It's why Classic WoW is so popular; despite releasing in 2004 it remains one of the most recent *actual* MMOs that you can play today.Guild Wars 3 was just announced, and I'd say those guys have a decent shot at making an actual MMO. I have no real faith in the Riot MMO entirely because of their monetization and balancing habits are cancerous. Same with Blizzard's Classic+ project; they'll bog it down with monetization and other convenience slop that totally ruins the entire point of the game. They have ALL the data they need to make a great game, but they just won't be able to help themselves.
>>740557308because they're bad games that relied on everyone not having complete knowledge to be somewhat entertaining, couple that with complete efficiency and a lack of a reason to move outside of a set social circle to due to there being no need for you to make new social connections and the genre is now defunct.
>>740562915there's no hope for gw3, it's going to be the fortnite of the genregw1&2 weren't mmorpgs either so it's not like they have any experiencealso>no target akshun combatthat alone is a giant red flag, not to mention the zoomer nigger unity engine graphics
>>740557308You're basically correct.I'm 40 years old. My first MMO was RO back in 2001 or something. I played WoW when it originally released as well as FFXIV after ARR.Occasionally I do get the itch and go back to them, but by far and large I prefer playing gachas these days. Cheaper (I only ever get the $5 monthly, so 1/3rd a subscription cost), much faster updates, the same slow grind of improving a character, only instead of it being a character I created, they're preset ones developed by the game and featured in the story. I honestly prefer it that way. Plus it means they get tons of porn.This is why, as others have already mentioned, the only people who even still remotely care about MMOs these days are around my age. There is absolutely no incentive for someone younger to pick one up. MMOs don't do anything special these days. Social media exists. Tab target gameplay isn't exactly thrilling.
I dont know why none of you have mentioned this, but a lot of mmo players flocked to online tcgs.I know several dudes who were exclusively mmo players who now only play mtga, hearthstone, or duel links.They aren't cut out quite enough for gacha games, and are fed up or done with mmos so its their new nesting grounds. It fits a similair psychological niche desu since its basically a gacha with pvp
>>740563108Oof you're probably right. GW2 IS an MMO though, but they ruined it over time with the aforementioned convenience slop.
>>740563118I still play ancient shit like WoW vanilla and RO sometimes because I'm dead tired of the boring and simplistic action combat in modern titles. I miss that tactical approach where you had to think what to press and when to press it and had various options at your disposal. Now it's all just parry and rollslop with two basic attacks and maybe a couple skills. No CC, no debuffs, no buffs, no resource management and barely any abilities so every fight is exactly the same and all "classes" are ultimately the same shit too.
>>740562706>The endgame is way better though
>>740557308It's bullshit. Wow classic at first was like "no changes" and now it's just micro transactions and boosting and pay to win. The players are all cancer. No fun to play MMOs when players are like that now.
>>740557308just not true, everyone wants to play mmos, it's the developers who don't give a fuck anymore and keep making absolute slop that appeals to no one, the success of classic re-releases should tell you everything
>>740557308Because even if MMOs weren't an utterly ruined genre filled with P2W cheaters and bot abusers, they're a solved dataminer genre and simply aren't fun in the way they were 20 years ago. Talking to strangers online is not fun anymore, now everybody is a backstabbing faggot.
>>740563804>UO>not dealing with backstabbing faggots
>>740563118MMOs don't even try to compete with the gacha update frequency.
>>740564167Backstabbing in that they report you for hurty words, not actual ingame antics.
>>740557308The people playing mmos are all too aware of what's going on, it's just not fun playing with a bunch of robots
>>740557308Just look at GW3s trailer, MMO creators have lost the plot and keep making shit games with ugly graphics, DEI garbage, fail to innovate on anything, keep pushing for bad tab target trinity based combat with spectacle raids instead of something with substance, and the list goes on.Gachas do one thing and that's making a game with cute girls, nothing more nothing less, anything extra is just fluff, they know their audience and the audience rewards them for giving them what they want.
>>740563804This is true to a large degree. You could make an MMO that encourages co-operation and punishes faggot behaviour, but a game designed in that manner flies in the face of publisher overlords.
>>740564295This. It’s a huge reason why turtle wow was so enjoyable. Literally everyone you saw was a real person and you could be sure of it. It was a feeling I forgot existed after 10+ years of these corpos giving up on combating bots
>>740563804You literally can't even talk to others in modern games.>half of the shit is arbitrarily censored, even normal words>thr other half can get you reported for any inane reasonI'm not even talking about acting like a 14 years old edgelord and spamming /pol/ memes plus nigger nigger nigger. Even with safe, game-related communication you're still walking on eggshells. Some games outright disable all chat functions in PvP for example.The internet is just done for.
>>740564326There should be a bounty for reporting RMT cheaters and bot farms, and of course, a system to track these bounties to make sure people aren't abusing the bounty system itself to cheat. RMTers need to be killed in real life.
>>740557308people never liked mmos in the first place and the genre is going back to being a niche
Thetes no point to MMOs anymoreJust play single player games that has a good exploration aspect, rewarding progression system and some optional multiplayer raid thing and you have the modern day MMO.
>>740564419doesn't compute, MMOs are made for RMTers to whale on, that's why they all have in game currency conversions now
>>740557308Most MMOs nowadays are just glorified chat servers. There are a few though that are actually good but not a lot of people play them. Pantheon Rise Of The Fallen and Monsters & Memories are legit good modern MMOs
>>740564541>MMOs are made for RMTers to whale onYeah they are now, which is why I boycott them on principle. The whales can enjoy whaling with other whales, I'm out.
>>740559676mmos let you sit around town and jerk off with others as an alternate activity. gacha immediately just shoves me into the grindan mines
>>740557308>daily "organic" WoW thread
>>740557774Is Keyholder at least a biological female?
>>740564710>wow is the only mmo that exists
you know I don't know I've just lost interest in them when I was young I was obsessed
isn't it funny how the most popular anime/manga/webtoon genre for the past decade is isekai which is just getting reincarnated into a mmorpg?the interest is there
>>740557774
>>740563673jesus christ
>>740564852those are all made by authors who played maybe a month of ragnarok online or FFXI back in 2003, forgot everything about them then just had fun making random shit up after. its funner to goof around with something half-remembered while winging it than face the cold, hard reality of actually playing an MMO
>>740563673Theres no feeling like seeing something you once loved desecrated by evil people. It’s a very specific feeling that has personally made it very hard for me to get invested into anything these days
>>740565004>didn't even mention the transgender trees
>can't have an mmo thread without xivniggers sperging out and screeching about wow, as if anyone on /v/ gives a fuck about wow beyond classic nostalgia threads
>>740565160Wow still has an estimated 7 million subscribersAlot of people care
>>740557308>HURRR WHY NO ONE PLAY MMOS?Yet every time a new MMO releases it gets a gorillion players during the first week. People WANT to play MMOs but unfortunately nothing better than WoW has ever been made.
>>740565285when is the last time we've had a thread where people where talking about the latest wow expansion in a positive way? you are fighting against ghosts. everyone who plays modern wow is on /vg/, /v/ threads are only nostalgia/classic threads
>>740563673
>>740565145I feel you brotha.
>>740557774man
Opinions on the elder scrolls online?
They are too costly to make and WoW (and to a smaller extent FFXIV) are too dominant to challenge.
>>740564370I never tried it, mainly because of all the hate on here desu. It appeared to be somewhat overmoderated
The ONLY MMOs I enjoy are RuneScape 3 and OSRS. I have at least tried all major MMOs and most are so shockingly boring that I genuinely cannot play them for more than 30 minutes to an hour. Never to be played again. They are just so boring. I have no idea how people play these "games." Shockingly boring. That's all that can be said.
>>740565598FFXIV is just a shittier WoW clone so you may as well say WoW is too dominant to challenge.
>>740557308I'm tired of pretend zoomers and alphas are not based for dropping time wasting mmos and just efficiency maxxing their time (when not scrolling tiktoks for hours). I wish I could get those thousands of hours of my life back, being wasted on farming virtual items that went obsolete on a half a year basis. I don't know how could I give a fuck about progress in a game while my life stagnated. (I mean i wanted to avoid living but yeah)That's like saying how people don't toil the fields when 1 guy+machine does it in a day. There is no going back now
>>740565779lol fuck off
>>740565589joined the list of "you had to be there" games, after years of decline and mismanagement, now in the milkmaxxing phase after dev heads changedbut maybe someone brand new would have a different opinion idk
WoW and FFXIV are not mmos. They are diablo but with an optional ERP chatroom and minigames.
>>740566013Defending XIV by calling another company trans/gay is genuinely retarded.
>>740566125Please elaborate. Are you going to bring up Wuk Lamat's EN VA again?
>>740565763>They are just so boring. I have no idea how people play these "games." Shockingly boring. That's all that can be said.This is how we feel when we see you click on that same tree for 5+ hours like it's cookie clicker.
>>740566125kill yourself
>>740566013I actually half believe this image. Studios are full of chuds and troons fighting against each other. It'slike that at my studio
Osrs is the only playable mmo left and even that is turning into redditified modernslop. Thankfully I completely burned out before the reddit exodus last year. I don’t think I can ever play that game again, there reaches a certain point near the end of midgame where you become acutely aware of what a profound waste of time it is and every time you boot it up the nausea hits
>>740566125eh, it's 50/50 on being valid. xiv's players are indeed enormous fucking faggot trannies and possibly the devs themselves, that's for sure. but i don't remember any actual canonical LGBTQ content in the game. even wut lemutt was a biological female, ignoring the english VA. the gayest shit are just the maid outfits on male characters that they started doing after a certain point and the those two teen best pals they can't confirm anything with because they're underaged
>>740566103What's Diablo then I like diablo 4
>>740566365>and possibly the devs themselvesthey're japanesethe only one was a va some dangerhair brought on and they're both gone now
>>740566319Gtfo the moment to moment gameplay in osrs is the most boring in any mmo
>>740566224What do you mean when you see me clicking on the tree? I don't stream or make youtube videos. How are you watching me?
>>740566013XIV is also a horrible copycat of WoW in that sense. Maybe more so than in any and every other way. So that meme applies to it just as hard.
>>740557308MMOs are kindergarten safespace tier nowadays. I loved all the shenanigans I got into playing Ragnarok Online. You could make guilds especially salty if you sabotaged their woe fights by killing their priestesses while completely unaffiliated with the guild holding the castle. And if you were really lucky they had an eboyfriend who'd start stalking you after killing her a couple of times.Those truly were the days.
>>740557409This.
>>740557308With WoW you used to have to have the barest form of social skills to get a group if you were a dps, or if you were a sperg you'd have to roll a tank/healer for easy invites. These interactions were automated away, there is no party leader anymore just 5 randomly selected people you'll never see again, completely removing a pivotal element to role playing that will never be discussed because Blizzard successfully fooled the playerbase patch updates were improvements.
>>740566514OSRS seems like a complete cult in that people tell themselves and each other it's the only engaging and thrilling MMO left, and then you look inside and it looks like the most mindnumbing tripe conceived by (allegedly) a human or group of humans.
>>740557308i was 21 when classic wow came out now im fucking 28what the fuck bros where did the time go?
>>740567235osrs is aight but i prefer rs3
>>740557308The novelty of meeting people online has faded long ago. When world of warcraft came out, it was a fresh. A way to meet new people on the internet. People just got acces to broadband connection and were eager to communicate and to play with each other. People don't want to play with each other anymoreI hope internet dies soon because it has proven that convenience and the amount of slop being shoved every moment you are on it is a complete detrement to the human spiritAlso, internet killed gaming. Everything already figured out, "solved", you don't even have to play anything. It is done for you.
>>740567665No, meeting people online in a video game was not a fresh new thing by the time WoW came out, people were doing it for over 7 fucking years by that point. God you WoW cultists are the most retarded people imaginable.
People who defend using bad gameplay and excluding complex features just so they can know that 100 people are in the same area should be beaten. You still can't see all of them at once because it would crash XDDD so what the hell is the point? There's no downside to coop driven vidya with MMO markets or hubs and a couple token large scale events like 10-30 people.>Target combat>No physics>Hotbars>Fetch quests>Grind for geargarbage
>>740557308Because its not like i want to make friends onlime to play mmos with. Its too much effort and time consuming. When I played mmos back a few years back i started as a noob and people would actively recruit to guilds for casual shit and help you do quests (in mmos where you need to run parties to complete quests). I would level with my guild and do the same for newer players that needed help in our guild. That shits just gone. Nobody talks in mmos. Nobosy gives af. If you dont have a friend to play an mmo with its just mid gameplay.
>>740568025trvkehopefully gw3 is proper action combat the likes of which we haven't seen since tera
>>740567957It was one of the first experience for many people. Yeah. it was wasn't the "first" mmo, but it was the most popular by far.
My main issue with modern MMOs is that they lack lasting prestige. Most rewards are designed to be replaced by the next content patch, so accomplishments rarely feel meaningful for long. I prefer systems where difficult achievements remain valuable and recognizable years later. Basically, everything feels like a participation trophy rather than a prestigious reward for doing something difficult. Modern MMOs also feel too streamlined, sacrificing adventure, social interaction, and meaningful progression in favor of convenience and accessibility.
>>740568435Gtfo loser. Achievements in mmos are so basic and easy a fucking color pixel bot from 1990 can do almost everything
>>740568435This isn't an issue in Dofus.
>>740568025Dofus is basically thishundred player hubsbut 1-8 player combat
>>740568972Has the opposite problem, no fucking content, been many years since they've added anything substantial.
nobody cares about your dead french slop, stop shilling it
>>740569095>no fucking contentIt's literally getting more content next patch.and it's no new content - which isn't an issue for most players because there's literally years of content alreadyoh, and then there's Dreams, the infinite content game mode
>>740557308Because it's full of gooners that subject you to predatory behavior and rationalize it by saying that bullying happens in nature.
>>740560673are Warmane wrath raid bosses still EXTREMELY buffed ?
>>740569440it's because zoomers are shit
>>740569216I finished the game in 2 months and it's not fun enough to justify playing a shitty roguelike mode when I could play actual roguelikes, it takes them years to add new things and by then I've lost interest, not adding anything new is just as much of a problem as constantly churning out new things.
>>740568435same with most mmos out there. eventually it becomes optimized for the worst kind of engagement and retention models in live service
>>740569571Case in point. You're better off soloing until you get bored and unsubscribe.
>>740568114That's a problem by itself, because those retarded fucking niggers assert things about the MMO genre that are not true.
>>740557308Zoomers can’t afford them
>>740557308No, we just gave up on getting something even remotely fucking decent
>>740557784>people here were born in the 21st centuryI still can't believe this
>>740570332people here were born in the 21st century should leave us alone and go back to chaturbate where they belong
>>740561414I miss EverQuest so much man
>>740561414i miss her shitty videos broshttps://www.youtube.com/@Anger1337/videos
>>740569940I bet you're a zoomer
>>740570687You would be wrong.
The most fun I've ever had playing vidya was SWG and I've been chasing that high ever since.
>>740557308Most MMORPGS just feel outdated as fuck nowadays, they feel like clunky RPGs from 20 years ago but in multiplayer, meanwhile gachaslop, outside of the obvious flaws like gambling and million popup menus of useless things actually seem polished and up to date
Mmo evolved so they apeal to the most cult-like fans. Gameplay evolved into some kind of caricature of orginal thing.>gameloop consist of lvl as fast as possible (only using optimal ways and right abilities), aquiring the single right gear (because you need to grind for the 1,5% droprate hatthat is 5% better then the next item), contiuning with metafaggotery so you are in 1% of "best" players on some raid ove results.>its less about community to the point of 90% of the players being obnoxious, egotistic faggots>the magic of the 2000 mmos is gone, because exploration and learning the game story/bits is no longer important.I played wow, bc, warhammer online, gw1, gw2, classic and classic bc.Ive stopped playing mmos somewhere in 2013-14 because at that time they already went to shit. Came back for classic because I wanted to do things I missed when I played orginal wow.The game felt the same, but the people were different. If you wanted to do raids and finish every piece of content you needed to be in a guild where most of members were some kind of sweatmetafags. It resembled a wage-jib at some points, given players had to do their jobs, grind for equipment, do prerequusit quest and so on. Despite that I had my share of fun. After my guild failed on narx and disbanded till BC i even got into more sweaty guild just to finish and expirience narx.After Ive got full gear and did it like 10 times total, Ive got enough.I still returned for bc and my old guild, but after Ive expirience the release grund, just to get to 70lvl as fast as possible I just fucked off.I think goid mmo scratch the itch that many people that game have, but the formula of old mmos is long gone. Its a museum at best at this point. Metafaggotery killed this genere, people just want to be best and the travel to get there no longer matter. Its adventure vs achivments fight that was lost.
>>740572207When did WoW ever have a story worth giving a shit about?
>>740572454The story was good from the start through wotlk
>>740572524No it wasn't that shit was mega fucking retarded.
>>740559090No for the record, OSRS also succumbs to it.If you pk bots you get reported by them en masse.A lot of companies run on shitty systems. It shouldn't be a big surprise.
>>740557308those are the new mmos, they've inherited all the same shameless milking
>>740572547zoomer looking at old things and then saying "NOOO IT WASN'T LIKE THAT AT ALL YOU'RE LYING!! IT WAS SHIT!!" thinking XIR has any say in it at all
>>740557543But they should be the target audience, if only boomers play MMOs of course it's gonna keep being a dead genre.
>>740572916zoomers do not understand or appreciate videogames the way millennials do, its just a plain historical fact
>>740557308Zoomers don’t have the attention span to enjoy anything that doesn’t go out of its way to tell you where to go and what to do immediately with flashing icons everywhere
>>740572454It wasnt about overall story anon, but a snipets of lore woven throught the land. See dungeons in orginal, some quests spaning the whole continent. It was super fun to explore new zone and learn about the conflicts in it. It was less present in BC because they already went into itemization/streamlined grind. The zones were more sterile and dungeons became corridors.The whole blackrock mountain in orginal is best example how a megadungeon should be build.
>that creeping feeling of wanting to play wow againgod i hate giving blizzard money. pservers are always gay and/or retarded though
>>740573626Theres no of it left. Im happy that Ive did all i missed during classic, but the playerbase made it different expirience overall.We must cheerish the memories, not fixate ourself on reliving them to no-end.
>>740572916No, retard, I am still not a zoomer. You had no fucking standards or point of comparison is the problem.
>>740557308Minmaxing autism absolutely destroyed what MMOs initially were. You had your top players who did do that, but overall out of your whole player base they were a strict minority. You didn’t care about hitting the max level quickly, you didn’t care about getting the best gear but to see someone decked out in it was cool and those players were note worthy heroes of the community. I think with MMOs, especially WOW, they were just at that very particular moment in history where the internet wasn’t such a constant in people’s lives that we were still pretty normal. Sure we had mobile phones, but you were just using them to call or text people and if you weren’t sat at your PC you weren’t using the internet at all. People just used to be more interesting, sociable and generally better than they are today.
Why couldn't we save MMOs bros....
>>740559006Because constant internet usage through phones and endless goyslop nontent has fried peoples brains. People used to play video games for fun when Vanilla WoW was a thing and the environment was more a sandbox than a rollercoaster for 80% of the people playing the game.
It's hilarious to me that people put up with time gated raids in MMOs.Joke of a genre.
>>740573787i don't really care about the players being shit to be honest since the leveling process is still comfy and dungeons are fun. raiding is where everyone goes full retard
>boot up MMO>teleport to wherever I need to be, skipping out on exploring all the vast areas that are empty because everyone else just teleports to wherever they need to be>pull up the matchmaker party finder menu to run a dungeon. Get matched with 4 randoms. No one says a word to each other as we complete the dungeon >can't make any money by selling things on the market because bots are running 24/7 to dominate the market and undercut anyone and everyone for miniscule gains. >mana and HP management and stats in general are nonexistent or meaningless, the game is simply to not mess up any Simon Says mechanics>no repercussions at all for dying, don't lose any exp or items or anything, just mildly inconvenienced and have to run back to where I was.
>>740557308Aqw is still alive thoughbeit
>>740574620>every class is just a slightly different variant of the trinity instead of having their own unique nichemmorpgs aren't even rpgs anymore
>>740566507My little pony and its consequences for the neckbeard community
>>740567903I don’t think that it is, I think that most people are just too stupid to appreciate the internet for what it is. Thought this for a very long time desu.
>>740574749never were
Always a great opportunity to remind everyone that whoever plays or has actively played a blizzard game is a fucking faggot and should kill thrmselves
>>740574251>Vanilla WoW>SandboxWords mean things.
>>740575096>I feel like questing>I feel like adventuring >I feel like looking for people to fight >I want to go in the dungeonIt absolutely was. The game offered you a plethora of things to do and there was no rush to be the best of the best immediately and raidlog because people’s brains weren’t fried yet at that point. Did you actually play during vanilla?
>>740562915bro they're releasing Aion 2 in the west in September, they announced Guild Wars 3, PSO3 was leaked by a credible leaker, Chrono Odyssey and ArcheAge 3 next year. Tera 3 in the works too. Ragnarok Online 3 as well. Plenty of studios are making mmos.
I think whoever makes these half dozen chatGPT mmo threads every day is the single worst poster on this board. Nobody cares bro, holy shit get a life
>>740574749WoW has played closer to Diablo than Vanilla WoW since Legion.Diablo's "kill everything for a chance at the 1% drop ad nauseam" is much easier to create and get people addicted to than a full fledged world with a working economy and meaningful PvP.>bots are running 24/7 to dominate the marketYou can't let fake players into your game for the purpose of ruining its economy. I don't know why I have to say that.So long as botting exists we'll never get another fair and fun MMO.
>>740575240Nigga you do know what "sandbox" is?Vanilla is/was almost entirely linear game with strictly vertical progression.
>>740575240You are a massive massive retard. It was not a sandbox in any meaningful way.
>>740564497that guy doesnt play hardcore content whoever made that post. if you're the one who made that post you're wrong. you never liked mmos.
>>740575240>Did you actually play during vanilla?Yes. I also played FFXI, SWG, UO, Graal, and EQ before it. That is why I knew DAMN well it was not a fucking sandbox.
>>740558160This is a big one. Turd worlders using the micro transaction model on the player side turning absolutely every cooperative gameplay mechanic into an rmt service. Aggressively. Because this isn't a game for turd worlder. This is his income. If you go into a game like EverQuest you'll see 100 different people spamming the social channels with rmt power leveling service or selling 'loot rights' to decaying corpses. I think more than for any other reason the fact pve can be an rmt model for desperate street shitters means they will continue to aggressively target the genre and there's no going back to how it was.
>>740575698Sounds like you’re an old and mentally ill piece of shit, your worthless opinion is not necessary.
>>740568435Why not do Ultimates in XIV if thats what you're looking for? You get title + Special Weapon glamour/transmog to loaf over people. And the content is challenging therefore prestigious.
>>740575796>I got called out on being wrong???>REEEE YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESSMaybe you could not be objectively wrong next time?
>>740575036Overwhelming convenience has proven time and time again to be the death of the human spirit. Automation is a plauge.We've been grasping for it for millenia and now that we have it in abundance, we lose all sense of purpose and literally kill ourselves physically and spiritually. There's nothing to work for or fight for. Yeah, some try to fill that hole by consuming as much as they possible can or by becoming political zealots or by gooning/drinking/smoking or other such vicesInternet literally just amplifies this times 10.That's why I think a lot of people want to see some kind of fall or "reset". Kind of naive to think that it's going to be in our favor though.There are a lot of positive things about internet, you can gain a lot of knowledge if you look for it, but even the positive aspects can turn into negative ones. One such example would buying shit online literally destroyed all physical stores thanks to the precious convenience. Now they are forcing digital ID down our assholes everytime you try to breath. It's easy to look up info you need, but how much of it do you actually remember? Most of it is temporary. Could go on, but you get the gist.Already know people will disagree with me, because you are so infatuated with convenience that you cannot see what it is doing.
we care about MMOs but NOBODY IS FUCKING MAKING THEM outside of fucking KOREANS which all turn out like the same god damn dogshit p2w slop with the same fkn cringe aesthetic with the oversized swords and "action" combat with way too many shitty temu particle effects
>>740557308>why does nobody care about mmosim one of the like 200 people still keeping the soulworker mmo alive because i love it sm, if that doesnt show i care then i dont know what will
>>740575863There's a difference between fun challenging and stupid challenging. FF14 ultimates and endgame in general is challenging in the way it's challenging to memorize an entire page of a book word for word and recite the passage from muscle memory. It's the most insulting and abhorrent pve design I've ever seen in an MMO and wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. The only difference between ultimate and savage is the amount of information you need to recite from memory because more steps to remember = harder.
>>740576170thats every fight in almost every game barring roguelites/roguelikes. everything has patterns/nothing is really random, and even ultimates/savage they mix up the order with different patterns. you asked for something that gives prestige and right there it gives you something to wave around as prestige. the ultimate title and the ultimate weapons. can you honestly name me an mmo that doesnt have patterned fights? I'll even drop Chaotic Cloud of Darkness too if you want even more players to join in for something prestigious there too.
>>740557308The social aspect is no longer novel and social media doesn't require a monthly subscription.Also, everything gets instantly datamined and metagamed to hell as soon as it is released now.
WoW , RuneScape and XIV are all doing fine. So is FFXI. They are able to milk their consumers too if needed. >>740557774Night Elves belong in cages. This is acceptable only because I am a Blood Elf supremacist. Goodnight.
>>740575937That was my first post this thread, you are mentally ill but more importantly an old piece of shit.Old ass fucking loser jerking off about shitty dead games no one cares about
>>740576728zoomer mad about old things again
>>740576728I'm pretty sure the dumbshit ESL going out of his way to defend the multibillion dollar corporation's product is far more mentally ill than I ever will be.
>>740569665>finished the game in 2 monthsI call bullshit, post toon.
>>740577265zzz
>>740578151>12+ hours every day
>>740578310Some of it afk, easy game to leave in the background, and I work from home so I can just play garbage like this all day.
>>740557308>f2p gacha games where you farm daily logins consumed the marketMMOs occupy the same design space.meaningless tedium for meaningless rewards which at best constitute internet bragging rights. They just streamlined the formula.
>>740579942This. Any other reason you can come up with is wrong. They were designed to addict people for retention purposes and gacha games were better at addicting people with the same mechanisms done faster and more efficiently. Next.
>>740557774Turtle WoW had the best 4chan guilds kek
>>740576516>runescape is doing fineIt feels dead and hollow. Hop onto any OSRS world during daytime hours in the US mid day. Its fucking dead now. No one at barbarian village fishing talking, nobody talks at wintertodt. GE is filled with scammers and spammers.
>>740557543They literally were chat rooms and places where you could meet people from all over the world. This no longer feels special and magical thanks to instagram, tiktok and xitter.
>>740557543he says this as he continues letting world of slopcraft exclusively dictate his opinions on the genre for the 25th year in a row, refusing to touch any other games while spouting "no other relevant MMO exists" "it's the best in the market" and other blizzard cultist talking points
>>740557543Nigga WoW was basically the group chat for the guys in my class. We went home from school and talked to one another in WoW. Skype didn't come into the picture until WotLK I believe and we were to young/stupid to use ventrilo
>>740582352https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_Messengerretard
>>740582464Extensive use of MSN was for girls and popular kids, doe. We logged on and kept the convos in-game
>>740562684games used to be>max level is a retardedly absurd grind that rarely anyone ever really got to and most of the class kits and content were not even close to max level it was just a status thing for turbo autists>now its nothing to do unless you are maxed level and leveling is just a boring timewaster to pad out shitits literally backwards
>>740583136>max level is a retardedly absurd grindwowfetuses really believe this
>>740583220That describes multiple MMOs.
EverQuest legends waiting room
>>740557308Unc slop
>>740557308Because the ones that got popular, theme parks, did not get popular because of features tied to the MMO genre. They got popular because of exploitative design. Do you want to know how I'm right? Ask yourself: what would these games look like if profitability never entered the equation? If the design of these games didn't have to prostrate before the almighty subscription fee or microtransactions?
>>740562454the whole "learning" cope falls apart when you see old school MMO players being absolute fucking dogshit at the gameVanilla WoW is a complete joke of a game, but in 2004 people thought molten core was a challenge and Naxx was impossible. How did they not learn while leveling?
>>740588430Because leveling never taught you the game. It taught you, at best, some of the most basic concepts. And you could override those with certain classes, or grind harder to never learn them when you got pushback from not knowing them.
>>740583220That's what many online RPGs were like 25+ years ago. I played Diablo 2 and PSO for ages and never had a single character get to 99 or 200. I usually lost the will to keep grinding around 70 or 130, because there were no significant upgrades beyond those points.
>>740564854He's stroking to that chat log.
>>740565481>turned wow endgame into speedrunning tranny trashI hate this faggot so much. A good example of why you shouldn't hire the people who play.
>>740573626this is how you know your brain is broken by them
>>740564760>night elffuck nonight elf and draenei female are quintessential "dude that has a 24/7 death grip on his cock" characters.
>>740557308WoW exploded in popularity not just because it was good, but also because it was more of an international social experience than a game, which was awesome in a world with no social media. The live service elements and other addictive bits that you see in gacha and modern multiplayer games were only of secondary importance in WoW during its height, something that people chose to put up with at best.
>>740576170I think this is just a cope for you being too shit to actually do it. Sour grapes from the "would-be" pro football player
what other mmo should I try if I believe playing the entertainer class in mos eisley cantina in star wars galaxies is the greatest gaming experience ever created?
I'd kill for a singleplayer game with the look, feel and scope of Vanilla. Most RPGs fall horribly flat in that regard.
>>740593281If I bought a single player RPG that played like vanilla WoW I would instantly review bomb it, refund it, doxx devs, and do everything I could to fuck with it. So bad.
God hates fags and wow players
>>740593870you said fag twice
>>740594115Total lgtwtfbbq heathen death.
>>740594115brooooooooooooooo
>>740557308I rotate between WoW(+Classic), FFXIV, OSRS and GW1 and will keep doing so until the day I die, that's everything I need to keep going and no other genre compares to MMOkino.
>>740557308MMOs decided becoming brain dead RPGs with walking simulator stories was the path forward. Gacha games are exactly that but come with hot chicks and content you can play on your own without requiring 19 other alcoholic retards in call to play.
>>740557543>joshstrifehayesFirst time I've seen him mentioned on /v/ He seems pretty cool.
>explicit ERP instead of a surge of innuendo and fading to blackAmateur hour.
>>740557308They have no SOVL anymore
>>740559686WoW was always coomer shit. See all the hot skimpy whores in all of the old trailers. It just stopped being coomer shit, thereby losing a big portion of its appeal.
>>740557308Where winds meet and Honor of kings world mmo lite archetype is the future of this dead genre. Anyone dumb enough to make a giant shared world that can be botted exploited RMT to shit is retarded.
>>740597202>where winds meetthat soulless kpop sloppa?
When will WoW and WoW-clone players accept that they are the problem?
>>740591301>nooooo actual content for people who play the game is bad
>>740597682never. blizzard cultists are a plague
>>740597682Get out of my games.
>>740558346I'm 40 years old. He's 100% right.The reason WoW gained popularity was because of how easy, colorful, and casual it was with constant low-effort dopamine hits.WoW's legacy is creating the gacha bullshit that we have today.
>>740558431>Wow's extreme popularity stemmed from the fact that it was a social experience. It was the least social MMO at the time. Its popularity stemmed from the fact that it was the "casual/easy" MMO. But this also led to it being the least social because you didn't have to interact with people half as much as you did in actually difficult games.It's only considered social and grindy/difficult by 2020+ standards because things have gotten much much worse.
>>740597682>actually the problem is the high quality wildly successful and popular game, what we need is more dead shovelware
>>740557308>seems like f2p gacha games where you farm daily logins consumed the marketmmos turned into the exact same shit but with raiding or pvp instead of gacha pulls, its shit
>>740598318>It's only considered social and grindy/difficult by 2020+ standardsModern MMOs (wow and xiv) are magnitudes harder than old boomer games
>>740598349>high quality
>>740598418Aren't you late for your perm, lil zoomie?
>>740598495holy hell did he just reply to a completely sensible post with a smug vintage laughing meme?? he must be so fucking handsome and intelligent
>>740557308Truth is, the dopamine addiction necessary to keep retards playing (or at least the lowest common denominator retards) doesn't need much more than coomer designs and some shitty number going up with a side of gambling. The whole effort of making a massive world with different classes and mechanics is too much of a hassle if you can just make a much more effective dopamine producing game with much less development. MMORPGS are NEVER coming back, younger players are already completely ruined by mobile trash or extremely casual social hubs like roblox.I'm not sure but it wouldn't surprise me in the least the average age of WOW players be in their 30s.Besides even players in their 30s nowadays are a bunch of pussies that want opt in PvP and dungeon finder and shit
>>740557308Because all the good ones are old as shit there hasn't been a big budget mmo in forever that wasn't korean slop GW3 and the League MMO is the first one announced this decade that actually has potential to revive the genre.
>>740598576It's true, though.We saw this when they reran vanilla like 5 different times and it was so laughable people needed to do vanilla hardcore to feel any sort of challenge.
>>740598883>all the good ones are old as shitHow is that a bad thing?
>>740598995it's not, its just a fact for why nobody really cares about them anymore beyond a small amount of millenials and boomers anymore.
the solution, naturally, is a warcraft gacha
>>740599407the tragic thing is people would actually pay to see horny art of that maggot-infested corpse
I was having fun in tbc anniversary, but I made the mistake of joining a guild and it kinda drained the fun from it. I just wanted to log once a week to beat bosses and shit, but they want me to put daily effort in, which is NOT why I joined a casual guild.I'll ghost them and come back in few months, maybe, to do the latest raids, otherwise this is boring. Damn it really deflated me, my vanilla guild was more chill but it imploded due to officers infighting over some dumb stuff.
>>740564497This is not what happened, at all.WoW's problem is that they stopped listening to casual players and instead pandered more and more to raiders, grinders, and whales.
>>740557308The type of retard that plays classic these days ruined classic, so I play the mmo that retards haven't ruined yet, gw1
>>740599407hearthstone already exists
>>740592993kek this, the guy is a midcore shitter who wants to pretend he's better than he is
>>740557308because modern MMO devs and zoomers don't understand what made MMOs great. all modern MMOs have literally been stripped of what made them special to begin with. no fucking wonder nobody cares about them anymore
>>740557308They were always chatrooms.
>>740600653what does a "casual" player even do? there is nothing interesting in the game other than keystone dungeons and raiding, and all other forms of content have no justification for a human to waste their time and 15 a month on when other games existalhamdulillah the game is dying, retail playerbase is decrepit at this point and overall subs, even while at the lowest levels in history, are held afloat by the x forms of dogshit old content (classic) and china players on their special version of classicpeople need to let it die, its time is over
>>740601216the only people "keeping it alive" are shill OPs like this one.
One of wow biggest misses is that it underutilized it's own universe. Ogres STILL aren't playable, why? yeah yeah, people talk about high elves and everything, but what about ogres? or how goblins are horde only instead of neutral. >>740601216>what does a "casual" player even do? That's problem, there is nothing for them to do. The story is dogshit, the community is toxic, collecting mounts and pets became incredibly bloated (admittedly this was a problem already in tbc), the game looks ugly so no transmogs, and the systems are very complex. and that's without mentioning all the time wasting in this game.Someone who plays 10 hours a week, doesn't look up guides, what the fuck is he going to do?
>>740601620 hereIn fact 10 hours a week is way too much, based on my anniversary experience. I am talking about people who log sunday night to raid 2-3 hours.These people are the blood of mmos and wow rejected them.
>>740557308Because the genre was founded on exploration and discovery and no modern MMO actually delivers on that
>why did ppl stop playing and caring about pozzed dei cumslop trannie political agenda "games" that ask you for a sub fee + seasonal wipes on top of thati wonder why zoomers dont like it hmm
>>740601851zoomers go for f2p gambling games instead; same brainrot as the everquest poopsockers just 20 years later
>I want a new MMO but if it isn't exactly like my favorite MMO, I won't switch
>>740601950they're still not funding western globohomo degeneracy that somehow is the only thing MMOs are all about now so they're better in my bookshave you fuckers seen the guild wars 3 reveal? delete the genre already ffs
>>740557308Because all the available mmos are fucking dogshit that ranks amongst the worst fucking games you could ever playNext caller
theres now a daily thread about MMOs with WoW in the OPs imageis this some indian retard testing the waters for Riot?
>>740602104>I want a new MMO but it has to be made in such a way that at most it attracts like 500 or so players, and I won't go out of my way to support it other than by playing it (if I feel like it), and if they do a single thing I don't like, I'm going to walk off and call it the worst MMO that ever existed
>>740565004this is outdated now with the WoW pride event https://www.wowhead.com/event=1793/darkspear-dash
>>740602312guerilla marketing for WoW re-release announcement later this summer. they are planning three seperate versions of the game, one without the dark portal and one continuing after legion.
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>>740557628>I genuinely think themepark MMOs were absolutely retarded and it took 20 years for brain damaged millennials to realize it.You zooms really don't get it. Millennials are social and they would talk to people. That's why WoW used to be good. Then there was gold farmers and general Blizzard retardation that ruined it all, but that's mainly why it was great initially. People were very social while playing a large scale multiplayer game.Zoomers legitimately don't understand this because they're social retards.
>>740602703I blame Dragonflight, personally.
>>740602703Gays have replaced vegans when it comes to being extremely obnoxious.>How do you know somebody is gay? They'll tell you!
>>740565004what >>740602470 saidit's missing quite a few entries
RPGs shouldn't be played with other people.
Anyone play Project Gorgon?
>>740567365>I played classic wow when it came out and now I'm re-playing it again at the age of 28god help me I'm stuck here forever
>>740601620Maybe they should play actual content instead of mounts mogs cheevos
>>740557308Social media and smartphones. Also shit gameplay compared to real games (mmos are social media not true video games)
>>740603494I used to play it a while ago. It's fun if you like a Runescape-like grind, but the devs/moderators are legitimately awful/annoying people.>The game is made in Unity, so floating point errors mean the further you get from the origin, the more your character model starts to break. >Basically if you go really high up via jumping/flying, your character model starts to break and it persists even when you land and other players can see it>Try to put the game to its limits by seeing how high in the world I can get by combining infinite flying/jump boosts>Spend weeks preparing and buying items off of other players>A bunch of other players are interested and start watching me do it, want to see how far up I can go and what it does to me>Faggot admin is a huge attention whore and notices the attention I'm getting>Decides to just admin warp himself ridiculously high up into the air and then back down while I'm in the middle of slowly flying upwards>Starts showing off his broken model to everyone else hoping to get all the attention>Everyone is clearly uninterested since he just cheated to do this and just ends up leaving>He does this sort of shit on the regularIt's a shame because the game is actually kind of neat but if you interact with the "Team" behind it in ANY way you WILL regret spending money on it.
>>740603494Back when it was free in 2014 I played it with /v/It was pretty fun, I ended up buying it but I haven't touched it in 8 years
>>740568925kek, fucking based, the LARPers most likely still have PSTD from that moment
>>740604236I got into it when it officially released back in Feb, already sunk over 500 hours into it, I'm hooked
>>740604305It's officially released now? Did they add a skelly race?
>>740604426>Did they add a skelly race?No but you can be a Necromancer and raise skellies to fight for you
>>740604471Yeah they also had that in the free beta, but it would've been fun if you had the option to become a skelly if your necromancy was high enough.They could've made it a curse like turning into a spider or cow
>>740602971You have it wrong, I am a millennial but WoW was always the theme park dogshit we all looked down on. I played Trickster Online, Maplestory, WoW (And quit when I saw the same issues in 2007 with raid logging and again with WOTLK), Rappelz, Lineage 2, Rose Online, Runescape 2. Even Aion when it first came out. I saw the flaws of themepark games well before 2010 and the faggots that defended themepark gaming back then are now proven with time to be not only objectively wrong they look like the fools they are. Zoomers were right about the idiots that bought into WoW hype. It wasn't a world, it was a hub. Raid Logging was an issue with that fanbase from day 1.
I dont understand MMOs. Theyre extremely boring
>>740604707> the faggots that defended themepark gaming back then are now proven with time to be not only objectively wrong they look like the fools they areProven wrong by WoW and XIV being more popular than all the shit you named combined? Theme park MMOs have proven they work, grindslop cant survive outside of korea
>>740604115The devs were a married couple and the wife died early this year (to cancer.) I have heard lots of stories about their shitty moderation though. D:
>>740604925Both WoW and FFXIV are still the two popular MMOs.
MMOs are at their best during the first few weeks after launch/fresh start or right after a big update. Outside those windows playing one is a waste of time.Enjoy your dead servers.
>>740602703certified>[transgirl] came onlienmoment
>>740605017I knew about her having cancer but I didn't know it ended up that way.That sucks. Honestly I feel bad because she was by far the nicest person on the team who actually listened. I only talked to her a couple of times but she was the only one on the team who felt like she actually listened to the playerbase. Thing is that she didn't have a big presence on the development of the game, but I assumed that was because of the cancer.I don't play the game anymore, but I shudder to think about how awful the general dev to player feedback is now.
>>740605195OSRS too
>>740605308Not without the bots lmao
>>740604925>WoW is literally dead and even its biggest shills are quitting en mass, not even long after the expansion came out>FFXIV is beyond dead and even queing for dungeons as a healer net you at a 20 minute que minimumBeing the most popular mountain of shit isn't saying much. Yes proven wrong, it proved that the MMO genre is dead and buried thanks to you faggots praising tedium and boring slogs. I'm glad zoomers rejected your tab target dogshit. The genre is dying with you old man. Better luck next time. Btw the reason Activision stopped reporting their sub numbers officially is because even they know it is a dead genre.
>>740560673>job interview gaminglol wut
>>740605436How many players does OSRS have now?
>>740605501Weird, because my queues as a healer are between instant and 5 minutes. Except Frontlines and Alliance Raids, of course.
>>740605501Being the most popular proves that themepark games outperform sandboxslop>tedium and boring slogs Unreal cope coming from someone playing koreanshit. Even at its worst the xiv msq doesnt come close to the tedium of maplestory grinding
>>740605743ofc, because the dude is lyingPlus cross-DC matchmaking is coming
>>740605501>I'm glad zoomers rejected your tab target dogshit. The genre is dying with you old man.Have I teleported to some pleddit thread where another self-effacing cringe millennial grovels for acceptance from The Youth for good boy points? What is this? Kek. You are the "old man" here too.
>>740605743Healer here, 15 minutes or so for me. Ended up unsubbing myself. Not sure what datacenter you are on but Primal was rough.
MapleStory Classic seems interesting since it's not just a 1:1 port of the old game.Never really understood what people liked about that game though, so I don't expect to be playing it for very long. Still, I respect what they're going for.
>>740561495>They put all the eggs into that "endgame content" basket while also simultaneously making thing "accessible" through lack of requirements to access the content and lack of challenge in the content itself.isn't there a fuckhuge story in ffxiv ("troon fantasy")?i haven't played any mmos but i like the animes about them
>>740562370good luck programming any of that on the left. closest we've gotten is a chatbot
>>740562561>game has dailiesand just like that i lost interest
>>740605501>I'm glad zoomers rejected your tab target dogshitZoomers haven't rejected anything, their favourite streamer just hasn't played it yet.
>>740605501Look at the seething from the brain damaged FFXIV troons and LGBTwowfags in the replies. They always say >b-b-but its so popular WoW is still printing Fortnite moneyMeanwhile the companies they worship never officially report active player numbers and only use subversive information like "accounts created" and things that skew the actual information reported. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
GUIDL WARS 3 BIG BEAR GAMING?? THOUGHT?
>>740605905Yeah, but you can see "cross-DC matchmaking" as a concession, if you feel spinning agendas.>>740605953Light(EU), so maybe I'm biased or whatever.
>>740606647Calm down, old man.
>>740604569Perhaps they will in the future, they still haven't added Orc or Dwarf as a playable race yet
My proposal for an MMO model with no regards to actual gameplay or content>F2P no sub>Monthly pass with free and paid only tracks, passes never expire, if you start 2 years late you simply have 24 passes you can progress>Limited hot bar with skill collection and selection like GW1>NPC party members available when you're in a solo party, their AI is intentionally garbage. They mostly unlock through quest chains focused on them and have lazy cheap dating sim mechanics behind partying with them to raise affection>Game world designed around forcing players to sit near each other as much as possible. No fast travel but many trains/zeppelins/elephant backs. >Wilderness camp sites. Players can customize their tent area with furnishings. Sitting around a shared campfire rests you or some shit>Pass unlocks cosmetic gear for yourself, skill skins, NPC outfits and camp cosmetics >EVERYTHING is publicly leader boarded which resets each season and offers up pointless rewards. Dungeons, PvP, mini games>You can prestige your character and grind your levels all over again for worthless titles
>>740607906>>F2P no sub>>Monthly pass with free and paid only tracksDropped
>>740607906I would rather just have a 1-time payment of around 30-40 bucks, just to filter out the kids
>>740607906>all this nonsense about cosmetic slop and no mention if gameplayKys asap
>>740607906>>F2P no substopped reading right there, game dead on arrival via infestation by underage third worlders
>>740608961you are delusional and out of touch if you think the sub does anything to stop the infestation
>>740609927it does bobeitthat's why third worlders always seethe at mmos with subs
>>740557308The real reason is timeTurns out MMOs are massive timesinks and people just don't have time for them anymore
>>740610086did you wake up from a 15 year coma just now? wow is already infested by spics and chinks and ziggers private fucking servers that also have optional subs now lmao have healthier human populations50 cents/day doesnt do shit to stop subhumans from playing the game
>>740610086mmo is like the most third world coded genre, even more so than gacha because of all the gold selling
>>740610258>wow is already infested by spics and chinks and ziggersmight there be some circumstances here that facilitate third worlders being able to access world of warcraft despite its sub requirement
>>740610341eso doesnt have a thirdie problem despite not having a mandatory sub
>>740557308easy. The only novelty a mmo has is a large open multiplayer world with consistent progression.If you want better graphics,gameplay,story and coop experience go play singleplayer/coop games.Thats it. Also the market is way bigger and competetive these. There are more games being produced than there ever has been for gaming. Just steam alone saw 21k releases last year lol.And dont forget f2p which changed the market. When wow was at its highest there was no fortnite,roblox,pubg and all that.
>>740610419different argument
>>740557774>>740568925
>>740557308Singleplayer MMOs are the future.
>>740557308Because you have to play with retarded minorities in 2026 and they're fucking awful.Back in the days of vanilla WoW it was either white people or minorities born and raised in Western countries who were nerds.
>>740600238You bet your ass I would, Sylvanas a cute!
>>740613990I used to say>just goon over Alleria instead that one isn't a genocidal zombieBut nowadays... well, you see what they did to her.
>>740610258yeah because of the dogshit wow token that also ruined the game's economy
>>740606123>good luck programming any of that on the leftWe actually already have most of them in vanilla, except mind reading, language comprehension, and magic detection.
>>740614128The token didn't ruin the economy. WoD garrisons and the increased gold cap didWoD tokens only gave you like 20k gold
>>740614040Genocidal zombie is the entire appeal of her. Her arc up until Shadowlands was the best. They should have had her redeem herself by sacrificing herself and dying for good.
>>740613339Pic unrelated
>>740558045
>>740614228>nonsensical responseCool.
>>740606123What the fuck are you talking about? Have you literally never played an pre-WoW MMO and used spells?
>>740562370This but Western vs. Eastern wizards.
no mmo has come close to the feeling that trading packages across the ocean in archeage while avoiding players felt like in 2014 mmo boomers would rather play a themepark mmo for the 100th time instead of ever allowing something like archeage to exist againsubgenres just do a better job at delivering immediate exciting gameplay without having to grind 1000 snail carcasses to get to the fun part too
Because all MMOs are dogshit. Also, nobody enjoys subscription services. They are the definition of a humiliation ritual.Now I will admit I do enjoy RuneScape. You can literally play the game for free and pay for membership with bonds. It's basically the only MMO I tolerate. RS3 is comfy too, even.
>>740558881Everybody is getting outcompeted by Fortnite. It got a 14M concurrent and a 44M unique daily.
>>740557308they both have the same gameplay loop at this point, who cares>login, do your dailies, current events, logout
>>740615838>everything is shit>except my favorite MMOvery cool
>>740557308WoW killed MMOs.All modern MMOs copy WoW.All modern MMOs are raidslop.I do not care for raidslop.
>>740558839>zoomies don't have the attention span for MMOsmore like mmos dont offer a single thing in the current ageif you like mmos for the trading you can go play the patrician series or the guild, if you like ship combat you can play sea of thieves, if you like large scale wars you can play mount and blade or total war, if you want pvp you can play any of the big competitive games in secondsmmos require you to spend hundreds of hours doing random bullshit to get a chance to do any of that, and then you get to the systems that interested you and realize that theyre half baked clunky an dogshit, because an mmo has no focus
>>740595289Yeah sure thing Josh.
>>740557308mmos were always inherently garbagethere's a reason people mock blizzdrones for being addicted to the worst genre ever (at the time) and still one of the worst ever made, though mobas have taken that since
>>740617230thisif you really want to pretend things are fine you could maybe play pre-wow mmos like rs or ff11 or something but even then they aren't amazing
>>740617042well i gave you the reason as to why i thought that.RuneScape ALLOWS YOU to play for free.what other mmos are there that allow you to genuinely play for free? i cant think of ANY. this is not even a false argument either.swtor is a trial. ffxiv is a trial. gw2 you can play for "free" but again, it is a trial. wow cannot be played free at all you have a baseline subscription requirement before you can even use wow tokens to play for free.in runescape i can literally make a free account and ask someone for a bond and i have membership for free. or grind a bond in free to play and i am now perpetually a member because it's even easier to get bonds in members. "y-you just love runescape" i mean jagex has done a LOT of slop updates over the years. live-service games are ultimately always going to put out slop in some capacity.
>>740617230>PvE themepark bad>PvP sandbox also badWhat do you even want from a MMO?
>>740617648LOTRO has something similar going on. That is all the handout you get.
>>740617648>it's good because it's free
>>740570332I was born in 2007 and I just started playing wow a year ago. But my first experience was seeing my grandad play ffxiv over a decade ago.Also I've been posting since covid since I was underaged, so expect grade school kids to be posting here.
>>740617648spiritually brown post
>>740618054i mean yeah. i would never pay blizzard $130 a year for their terrible terrible game.
>>740618056>seeing my grandad play ffxiv over a decade ago.based granddad
>>740557308Because just like the internet, gaming is shrinking. If you arent top 3 in your genre you will never be played. zoomers dont expand, they enclose. So I hope you enjoy wow, runescape, and final fantasy. cause thats all anyone is gonna give a fuck about zoomers will never touch anything perceived as dead or old to them. Only if there's le hype or clout. Such a filthy playerbase.
>>740618056I think you mean FFXI, XIV was released in 2013unless this is some advanced shitpost I don't understand
What MMO has the most brown people playing it? That's the real question
>>740567660>>740565763I love RS3 but the endgame is so giga fucked that its barely playable anymore. There's like 2 bosses worth doing and the economy is still raped beyond comprehension due to the long term fallout of 'accessibility' and Necro. Jagex also has hilariously bad decision making.Like why the FUCK did they add Shard of Genesis to Amascut drop table, completing killing off Sanctum. Its 4 years after Zamorak's release date and Zammy is STILL the best solo boss money making method. Like come on.
>>740559686hot vidya girls were a staple of good games, your just too young to understand but at a time not everythign was fake and gay
>>740557774>thriving>700k CHARACTERS worldwideKek. Dogshit ass dead game
>>740557308because in the era of helldivers and monster hunter and path of exile and league of legends and tomodachi life, the only real appeal of mmos is being able to play a shitty version of all of those games in a single packagemmos got a massive boost from not having any real competition in the "persistent online game" spaceevery release being trapped in the shadow of worlo for two decades certainly hasn't helped, either
>>740576313You have to be fucking retarded not to notice the difference. Or just a liar. Are you really to stupid to see FF14's fights are scripted down to a level far beyond anything else? This is not normal. This is a hack team turning what should be an RPG with some mix of reactive gameplay to complete memorization down to the second on a minute and second timeline. 'At 4 minutes 27 seconds into the fight dumbo ass face will give 4 red circles where the players must stand directly here by 4 minutes 33 seconds.' No normal RPGs don't work this way stop trying to fucking gaslight players that know more about the genre than you. God you fucking FF14 players are morons.
>>740619493Order of events isn't guaranteed in ff14 raids. It will be "one of these 3 scenarios will arise, respond accordingly". How you handle each is still super formulaic but at least you can't literally just memorize the fight
>>740619008free to play + real money market = games with the most brown third worlders infesting itso probably runescape
>>740618336it's 2026, anona decade ago his grandpa was playing Heavensward
>>740557308i do play wow on warmane im not paying cuckzarrd 15 or how much dollars a month to play that LGBTI shit.
>>740618959Over a decade ago was 2016 anon
>>740619647meant for>>740618959
>>740619647I hope he enjoyed it.
>>740594115i was initially mad but at least it's 7 colors like the rainbow has instead of 6 like the fag flag
>saves your genre
>>740619493Wrong. You get plenty of randomized elements. You're just memebabbling.If not, every encounter could be resolved 100% perfectly every time. You could literally just write down what happens when and to who and how to resolve it, perfectly, the same, every time. Nobody would have any reason not to ace hard content.
>>740619791kinda reads like GAY from the thumbnailwhich is exactly what gw3 will be
>>740557308Because I have no friends and the one time I attempted to make friends, they only wanted me for ERP.
>>740619791>3 red flags combined
>>740619467this is the truth nuke that mmo players dont acknowledge, they think their genre can be saved when the mmo genre itself is barely even a cohesive thingyou'd have an easier time turning a game thats already good into an mmo than turning an mmo into something thats good, for example if helldivers 3 released and just took helldivers 2 + planetside to add more persistent mechanics, or if sea of thieves 2 came out and had the same gameplay but larger persistent maps
>>740619791heres your guild wars 3 bro
>>740618056>I was born in 2007You will never be a real person lmfao, everyone born after 1999 is worthless
>>740619467>>740619917On that note, how do you feel about those "dungeon/raid simulator" games like Fellowship or Rabbit & Steel?I think those two specific titles are pretty bad, but it's mostly because they have few concepts beyond copying encounters from WoW and FFXIV respectively. I think there's potential in that genre from a dev with actual ideas.
>>740619631They will take 1 of two outcomes if they're feeling cheeky and reverse them on the timeline. Or they will invert the safe zone. Which means you do memorize the same timeline you just flip the solution on the decision tree to accommodate the version you get. They cannot break from this pattern because their design philosophy is shit. If it had any degree of reactive gameplay mixed with some scripted attacks the entire game would fall apart because it's a flashing light show held together by tape and has no actual gear, classes or interesting mechanics. The will disguise 'branching' their shitty trolly ride through the fight but anyone with an IQ over 115 can see it. That's why only idiots or speed troons find that shit engaging.
>>740558463How did they ban me for no reason and how do I evade it?
>>740620129>straight up lying and hoping it'll fly
>>740619791only other mmos i'll give a try is classic+ and riots when it comes out in 2040
>>740620000>just barely made the cut
>>740619863But you can though. Bots clear ultimate. Your a cultist for your trash game so hard you don't even know they're exactly as formulaic as was stated and fucking bots can do them. This is pre current day AI like finite state machine primitive bots. Keep schlopping that Yoshi P dangler though. You are why mmos suck now by the way. You defending this shit.
>>740620129there's potential in that genre becoming its own huge thing, people would definitely play a game where you just log in and do difficult pve with friends but it would require the game to be carefully designed to feel worth doingmmo chuds play raids for the flex factor of showing off their rewards to noobs and to feel like they're elite, a pure raid only game would need a way to make them feel that way with difficult content
>>740620181Not talking to an FF14 cultist. Fuck off. The larger game community hates you for this reason. Even FF fans despise you.
>>740620259Clear an ultimate then. You can't because you're a faggot lying through your teeth. Trotting out the "ur just an cultist!!!!" defense and crying about your bogoeyman Yoshi P because you got called out for being dishonest proves it. Cope and seethe.
>>740619917>you'd have an easier time turning a game thats already good into an mmoThis isn't the condemnation of "mmos" that you think it is. Just because your mind immediately goes to the stagnant themepark action-rpgs that runoff from WoW doesn't mean those are the only things that might constitute a massive online role playing game. For that matter MMOs haven't had smidge of roleplaying in decades
>>740598647He's right though, as much as I loved wow, look up ever quest. Wow just copied it for mass consumption
>>740620104>I think there's potential in that genre from a dev with actual ideas.I agree with you there. I love the idea of the subgenre but it needs a lot of (dungeon) variety. You can't build your entire game around dungeon grinding and then only make 6 or 8 dungeons. I hated that kind of shit with WoW expansions too, you'd only get a handful of dungeons for the next two years or so. Give us 20-25 dungeons at the absolute bare minimum, keep them at a minimal threshold of quality, and don't allow some weirdo wearing a dress with makeup on an UNSHAVEN face talk about your game in its trailer.
Modern MMOs fail to have an impressive sense of scale.If the whole game is just idling in town and running dungeons with 3/4 other goobers, why not just cut out the middle man and play a co-op shooter or roguelite? They’re like nu-MMOs but with the pointless bloat removed.
>>740620223>classic+this retard thinks the same company that shat all over retail and classic will magically make content that respects the spirit of classic and not just more retailshitfaggot like this is why we'll never get a good MMO ever again
>>740620104>On that note, how do you feel about those "dungeon/raid simulator" games like Fellowship or Rabbit & Steel?NTA but soulless lobby games that isolate the experiences that ruined MMOs and offer them on a plate without even the slightest excuse of an MMO framework.
>>740620409i dont think about wow at all when I think about mmos, the most I played it was to get to lvl 20 to get a hearthstone character 10 years agoI think of games like planetside, archeage, eve online, etc. I want way more games like planetside that take an extremely focused idea like large scale pvp and make that the entire game with no fluff
>>740620535who cares. if it sucks it is what it is
>>740620181None of that is a lie. FF14 is simon says and your pathetic retort is "Uh all of gaming is simon says, FF14 is the exact same thing as Devil May Cry." Fuck out of here you fucking retard. FF14 cultists have brain damage, I never thought there was worse than blizzfags until you faggots showed up with your very very low IQs. And you act obtuse when called out. I have more respect for Path of Exile 2 players at least they don't pretend their game is the pinnacle of difficult PvE encounters.
>>740621062>sperg meltiesTypical obsessed XIV hater trying to peddle lies and dropping the mask the moment he gets outed.
>>740557308We have these fucking mmo threads everyday. You either pick your 20 year old poison (WoW, FFXIV) or your alternative poison (GW2, ESO, Korean P2W grindslop etc) or you quit the genre.I personally quit it. It's never going back to the late 1990s or early 2000s. Products of their time. Even if a brand new MMO came out today it would be optimised and datamined within a week.
>>740620129So.... You do have to react? They do Sequence A and you have to move to position x,y,z or they do sequence B and you move to position i,j,k... That's a player reacting. It's a bit unclear what your complaint is, since what you describe is the player reacting.Or do you mean where the boss reacts to the player like>A shield was used on the Tank so the boss hits them with a shield erasing attack that makes them unable to be shielded for 1 min, causing huge MP pressure on the healers >The solution is to shield the off tank first, have them eat that attack, and then shield the main tank like normal. It is up to the healers to track the 45 second cool down of this ability so they don't accidentally lock their main tank out of shieldsCuz yeah, I don't think they do any of that. I don't see this as a huge issue though? It's not a combat game. Execution order memorization is a genre of game. It's what guitar hero is. These games are popular. MMOs were always meant to be about exploration and adventure, not high execution demand combat. Go play StarCraft for that
>>740621210There's also your older poison of "le classic mmo", like FFXI
>>740621210What going days without having sex will do to someone.
>>740621062modern mmos are all simon says though. like wow, addons tell you exactly how to solve whatever puzzle the boss throws at you and other addons tell you exactly which buttons you should be pressing next
>>740621210based quitteronce you realize there's thousands of games that fulfill every possible niche you'd want from an mmo but with actual fleshed out mechanics and no fluff wasting your time, you really have no reason to go back
>>740621118>tranny FFXIV cultist upset the entire board is calling their mental illness outThankfully even the jannies hate you.
>>740621236Ugh but EQ and FFXI were so based. The last MMOs (well maybe early patches of WoW) to do MMOs right
>>740621369Waiting for your savage clear logs, ultimate clear logs, criterion clear logs.Until then, zzz, your seething buzzword salad does nothing other than make people laugh.
>>740578358>>740578310is dofus fun? are the girls hot
>>740620259Bots have been better than humans at video games for like 30 years nowTheres nothing in old MMOs bots couldn't clear either. Theres not any video game bots couldn't clear
>>740621434>uh post your savage ultimate XXX logs so you can prove that you also share the same mental ilnness to play tab target dogshit on a PS3 engine designed around 250ms like me uWuYour betters are speaking, sit down troon cultist
>>740621369wowtroons still buckbroken about sneedolands exodus lmao
>>740621359>there's thousands of games that fulfill every possible niche you'd want from an mmo but with actual fleshed out mechanicsI want an adventure game. I want to be Aragorn before the fellowship, riding my horse around whever I want. Finding dark caves full of goblins and treasure. I want to go back to the town tavern and listen to the other adventurers tell tale of where they've been. I want to make chance allies and earn the ire of villains.What games can I play for this feel?
Because MMOs were permanently ruined by WoW
>>740621595Crpgs dumbfuck why would you ever play MMOs for that
>>740557308a wowfaggot can't punch down while mentioning dailies
>endless bickering between ffxiv and wow players over which of their games is the more dogshit convoluted corpse>both are decades behind the rest of the multiplayer gaming industryits over
>>740621726What other game comes close to either in bossfights?Most games get considerably worse when you start doing multiplayer bosses even
>>740621595dragons dogma 1, dragons dogma 2, baldurs gate 1/2/3, kingdom come deliverance 1 and 2, TES 2 daggerfall unity mod, morrowind, oblivion, skyrim, to name a few
>>740621771>but muh bossesFUCK OFFYOU ARE THE REASON THESE GAMES ARE NOTHING BUT RAIDLOGGING SLOP
>>740557308>why does no one care about MMOs anymorein wow's case speciifically:>trannies>faggots>niggers>furries>semitic monetizationI'm still happily playing LOTRO
>>740621771monster hunter has some very challenging multiplayer bosses from what i've heard
>>740621771Monster Hunter, all of souls games and souls clones even, any game made by Platinum, any game made by Capcom, even Square Enix and their dogshit AA games that nobody knows the name of, Warframe even has more complex boss mechanics than any of those mental illness attractions called tab target MMOs
>>740621675probably because MMOs used to be Crpgs, kiddo
>>740621771Nigger your shitty genre gets mogged by slay the spire 2 and thats saying something
>>740621771>What other game comes close to either in bossfights?Monster Hunter, Dark Souls etc. But MMORPGs shouldn't solely be about the "boss fights". They used to be about exploring worlds with friends and creating a community.
>>740621524Well? Waiting?
>>740621595>I want to go back to the town tavern and listen to the other adventurers tell tale of where they've beento add on to my list of games, the STALKER games also give you this feel but with guns and anomalies rather than swords and magic. Mount and blade warband also has a billion mods that can give you this feeling including lotr mods, asoiaf mods, and peoples custom fantasy worlds
>>740621771PSO2 had the best multiplayer boss fights.
>>740621369this you?
>>740621912MH is exactly one of the games that gets shittier in multiplayer. >>740621941>>740622065>soulsloplmao fromtrannies really out themselves every time
>>740622392ffxiv and wow players battling to see who's more gay and realizing its a tie
>>740622175>Watching FFXIV """Ultimate Raiders"""" wipe to Luther SH's super obvious telegraphed spin attack on stream.It was an incredible experience. Shame about NGS.
>>740622437>wow getting laughed at for being pozzed and a wowfag realizing he can't defend it so he goes scorched earth as a second best option insteadmany such cases
FFXIV has tranny players and WoW has tranny devs. Really unfortunate the two biggest mmos are compromised.
>>740622437>its a tielmaoits not even close
>>740622392>If he hates FFXIV cultists he must be a WoWniggerYou are filled with so much mental illness you are incapable of understanding everyone hates you
>>740614184Vanilla mages had a spell to read buffs on enemies, no?
>>740622509>and WoW has tranny devsWoW has both.
>>740619636What the fuck is task bar hero? Sounds like one of those 'games' that gives you steam trading cards in exchange for spyware lmao
ban blizzfaggots
>>740622509>genre for weirdos and autists attracts mentally ill weirdos and autistsFork found in kitchen
>>740622509>tranny devsyou have to give them your money to even log in and then you have to put up with constant troon npcs and storylines about feefees and other mental illness>tranny playersput on ignore and move onyou think these are equal? lmao
>>740622602Anon, a quick tip: if you want to be a perfidious tranny sneaking lies about games that fill you with genuine heartfelt hatred out of spite, you'll need to preserve the mask a bit better. You need some subtlety and tact, and not immediately fly off the handle screeching about tranny this yoship shit eater that, simon says whatever. Those are all the old shitposting tunes people got accustomed to, and when you start squealing them out in a frothing rage, people immediately see you're just a faggot agendaposter rather than a (((poster with genuine concern and critique)))Good luck on your attempts to besmirch the names of games you hate with false information.
>>740622682task bar hero, bongo cat, and the banana clicker game that used to be in the top 10 are all free to play third worlder bait programs where you install a virus on your computer in exchange for getting an item to sell on the steam market every once in a while
>>740622760Jrpgs, notoriously not about feelings and the power of friendship
>>740559226This.WoW classic operated on Millennials waning Protestant work ethic (just grind away and EVENTUALLY you'll get the end level raid gear, which was at least more honest than its IRL variant), coupled with their capacity to actually socialize and seek it out. Gachaslop works on Zoombooms because all they really wanna do is tongue their vapes, gamble, and fap to their digital harems while waiting on the DoorDash they financed for. I'm not even being rude, it's just the way things are. When a society is steadily and completely driven towards decline on purpose it makes sense that the following generations are more degenerated than the prior. Play Roblox and Fortnite until they're old enough, then graduate to substance abuse, findom by slopcorps, goon, never be able to buy a house, probably never marry, ask the non-existent chat if they're cooked, and then fall over dead.
>>740622825leftist go one post without being dishonest challenge failed again
>>740622852this is the opinion you form of young gamers if you dont go outside very often and form your opinions being on the internet way too long every day
>>740622806Good advice, best to just ban FFXIV threads on sight and watch FFXIV cultists lash out in MMO threads
>>740622959Case in point.
>>740622852Gacha games are literally just grinding away but they all have built in pity systems so EVENTUALLY you get what you wantWoW on the other hand has no pity system outside of legion legendaries, certainly not in vanilla, so you were never guaranteed to get anything retardYou have it backwards
>>740622852Reading this made me angry. God I hate Zoomers and Gen Alpha so fucking much. Bunch of fucking retards. All of them need rounding up and beating up so that they get a fucking grip
>>740622959my face when people have the gall to feel indignation at there being only two relevant MMOs on the market and making threads for one of them is 3 day ban on sight and the other one has at least one thread up at once at all times every day of the week
>>740623223Xiv threads cant go 10 posts without some tranny cat girl or midget avatarfagging Fix that before ditching
>>740558045this, nobody actually makes a good mmorpg anymore, people are becoming aware wow is basically just a looter shooter with too many extra steps required >>740620509numbers, stats, talents etc may as well not even exist in the gamelore is now insanely contrived bullshitany form of content they provide can be achieved in a more satisfactory way in other games with far less tedium and time required>>740614184this stuff will never exist with any uniqueness again, everything is homogenized to fit a handful of simple mechanics: damage, cc, healing etc. just with a different name on it, to appeal to as many simple impatient brains as possible, which it isn't even managing to do and just pisses off everybodythe game's death will be desperately delayed and dragged out as long as possible since the consensus requires it as a last online bastion for troons and other freaks of nature that have co-opted the industry, in an attempt to grant some legitimacy to them by wearing the skinsuit of what used to be the gold standard of online gaming, so they can stand and point to it and claim they are accepted as justified by its mere existence with the delusional coat of paint they slathered across itnot only done so by blizzard themselves but also the communities surrounding it, where every logo and site header desperately puts up their pride banners for june on every major outlet that isn't some fringe forumbut eventually the useful idiots that have remained stockholm syndromed into still funding it with their sub thinking they are going to find gold again if they keep holding out or making forum posts will lose that will entirelytheir last grasp is going to be going to consoles to try to attract a new playerbase, and it may work for numbers but it will kill the last bit of identity the genre has for good and it will collapse as people realized life is better elsewhere
>>740623279WoW threads cant go 10 posts without talking about fantasy blacked (orced), cuckoldry and zoophilia fantasies involving a porn OC
>>740623179gen z single handedly revived the retro gaming market while you millenials and boomers sit there playing candy crush and wow
>>740623279>instead of banning the avatarfags actually breaking the rules ban the OP for third person thoughtcrimewhat a very logical explanation, absolutely not completely made up cope
>>740597782>content for the last remaining people who play the gameFTFY
>>740623359Youre wrong about everything and shit at the gameClasses are significantly more unique now than they were in vanilla wowTalents are more varied and more impactful now as well.
>>740623279wow threads 9 times out of 10 start off with some tranny's dogfucking OCcome the fuck on
>>740623543>some tranny's dogfucking OCsome FRENCH tranny's dogfucking OC no less
Can't WoW and XIV fags just live and let live
>>740623408Who do you think is making the threads?
>>740623520>Talents are more varied and more impactful now as well.no way a sentient persone believe thisthis is the game that just implemented one button rotations and a built in rotation helpernobody even knows what their talents do they just plug into raidbots and read the dps numberthey don't change talents unless a guide tells them to and gives them a talent export stringclass complexity was objectively toned down 50% or more, some classes can perform within like 5% of what class guides can come up with just using the built in rotation helper>shit at the gamelmao
>>740623895This is probably just going to be dismissed as a "xivfag attacking wowfags and acting like the better person" post, but I do think a big factor is a phenomenon I've observed where WoWfags (or Blizzardfags as a whole) always treat genre colleagues shittily. If they're too small to be intimidating or seen as competition, they just get dismissed and treated like nothing, and if they are seen as competition or did at some point compete with WoW (or a Blizzard game), they want it dead. They want it destroyed, and they want all traces of the game or its reputation completely annihilated and will stop at nothing to try and tear it apart. They won't suffer anything to stand before their game of choice.
>>740620104eh, the concept is "fine"the problem is that most of them are still copying mmos gameplay-wise rather than allowing the game to be a proper rpg with its own gameplayyou can absolutely make an entire game that's just dungeon crawling, but at some point that subgenre would just evolve into either Elden Ring co-op or Divinity co-opsimilar for turning raiding into its own subgenre, at some point it just becomes Monster Hunter
>>740623520So they un-dumbed down Samurai?
>>740623895both communities are full of asslicking cultists content to keep licking ass as both games race to the bottomthe only cure for this kind of tribalism involves bullets
>>740624728>WoW>Samurai?
>>740624041Cool larp bro>this is the game that just implemented one button rotations and a built in rotation helperAnd vanilla is already a 1 button game by default, without it being suboptimal>nobody even knows what their talents do they just plug into raidbots and read the dps numberVersus vanilla where the talents just don't do anything at all period because theyre flat damage passives?>they don't change talents unless a guide tells them to and gives them a talent export stringGood job outing your larp. People look st logs to see talents distribution for different fights, not guides >class complexity was objectively toned down 50% or moreThere is literally 0 depth to anything in vanilla. 1 button specs, autoattack top damage, its magnitudes harder now than it ever was back then>some classes can perform within like 5% of what class guides can come up withAgain just blatantly not what someone who actually plays the game would say. Nobody talks about class guides like this, they talk about sims, parses and logs. Damage is compared to your sim and other players logs, not some nebulous class guides you shitters think are doing everythingYou should pick less obvious logs for your larp next time
>>740624594it's true. TF2 threads went to shit just as overwatch released
>>740624963How about PoE?
>>740625031i dunno, i don't play PoE. another anon will have to chime inRTS anons too
>>740624935>People look st logs to see talents distribution for different fights, not guidessimpletons do and half the time get baited by some chinese log that cheesed a top rank (they will literally pay for parse runs), the average person has 0 intuition on talent selection past what a sim will tell them and 99.9% of people cannot manage to run a talent sim competently enough to do that themselves>nebulous class guidesliterally 100k+ member class communities exist for each class, sometimes multiple per class, dedicated to theorycrafting and propagating the results of it, mostly in guidessomeone involved in that for a long time is telling you that you have 0 clue what you're talking about>muh vanillanobody cares about vanilla
