Is it really that bad ?
I really wanted to like it but they have a frequent habit of killing the pacing and flow of the story with extended dungeons that nobody asked for.Half the fucking game is crawling around the sewers of the pizza.The pacing of the original was exquisite and the game just moves.
>>741075674It's tolerable up until Wall Market. Then it becomes a never-ending nightmare of stupidity.
It's a lot worse if you have played the original FF7 recently because literally everything takes forever to get through AND there's a ton of meaningless content that separates the canon moments from the original by like 45-60 minutes at a time.I'd love to see these 3 FF7 remake games trimmed of their fat and released as one complete journey.
>>741075674Regardless of what happens in remake it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to their intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point fans like them became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is DC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
you need >100 IQ to enjoy this game
if they just cut out everything involving Jessie it would improve the game by a large margin
>>741075674It depends.Do you like fan fictions?
>>741076221Nomura wanted a 1:1 story btw
Just a heads up. I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.
>>741076280
if i thought FF7 was only just ok, will playing these change my mind?
>>741076421while playing FF7 did you find yourself wishing every screen of it took an extra 2 hours to get through? if so, yes.
>>741075674Fanfiction tier compilation story aside, the whole game suffers immensely from tons of gameplay padding to make it as tedious and annoying as possible. They could cut like half of it and make the individual chapters way shorter and nothing of value would have been lost.
>>741075674It is not bad, but for a singleplayer game it respects your time about as much as an average gacha.
>>741076280Source?
>>741076421unlikely, remake is the first 6 hours of the original stretched and padded into 30 hoursyou'll probably want to kill yourself by the time you finish it
>>741075674Yes. Remake is like if they took Lord of the Rings and decided to release an updated version of the novels that incorporated all of the commercially-licensed fanfiction released in the time period between when the original novels released and now. The company compiling it finishes the first book, releases it, and then months later when they start work on The Two Towers they realize that they've introduced a bunch of continuity errors from adding all the fanfiction and have to retcon some of it. Does that stop them from continuing to add fanfiction about what Gollum or some random elf was doing? No.
>>741076304Except that the story content sucks just as much. Even if you do nothing but strictly follow the main path, you get constantly interrupted by shitty busywork and filler to stretch the game's playtime. Just take the entire Hojo Lab part with the never ending split party pipe pathway bullshit for example. Keep crying about the players as much as you want, but this is entirely on SE for designing a shit singleplayer experience and trying to pad like 7 hours of actual content over 30+ hours. It's a badly paced mess, period.
>>741076395>>741076741If you gave a fuck about FF7R you'd know this, Kitase wanted to change FF7 dramatically, Nomura didn't, so they found a compromise
>>741075674I loved the first game but I played it like almost 10 years ago so maybe it hasnt aged well. I know people complained about bloat and forced walking sections but I didnt mind them. I'm playing Rebirth now and its just ok. It holds my attention enough to want to go back to playing it but still feels like a downgrade from Remake.>More forced and random walking>New addatitions to the story nobody asked for>Open world nobody asked for>Graphics and character models worse>Battles are a clusterfuck of effects and particles to the point you cant tell whats going onRebirth IMO is everything wrong with modern AAA gaming. Instead of making a streamlined experience, its chock full of shit because zoomers cant fathom having a game less than 100 hours long.
>>741076954>Kitase wanted to change FF7 dramatically, Nomura didn'tHmm that's not the same as Nomura wanting a 1:1 remake though is it? So the claim appears to be false.
Cosmo Canyon is "that part" of FF7 for me so I'm terrified of playing the remake and being stuck there for multiple hours listening to characters I don't care much for speak about shit that's important to *them*.
>>741076108OP here, it's been so many years, I barely remember FF7. I recall Crisis Core a bit better.So basically I should just replay FF7 and Crisis Core and ignore the demake.
>>741077026My claim is closer to the truth than your claim of Nomura being responsible for KH writing, time jannies and alternate dimensions.
>>741076954Source?I know they exist, but you should link them to the anons.
>>741077168https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/05/interview_final_fantasy_vii_remake_producer_and_co-director_on_development_launch_and_being_grateful_for_the_fans>Final Fantasy VII Remake expands on the Midgar story arc significantly. When developing the game, how did you decide on the parts that you wanted to expand?>Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
>>741077161"closer to the truth" is a very nice way to say "untrue"So it is untrue that Nomura wanted a 1:1 remake. And you know it. So why say it?
>>741077606because I'm playing your game, it's annoying isn't it?
>>741077606It might not be true, but it's the only way to refute the claim that Nomura is responsible for the bad story changes in Remake.
>>741077730Understood. Maybe in future go with a lie that's less easily proven wrong?
>>741078183You could have used Nero at least, since he's part of the main game. And guess who's very likely responsible for having Dirge shit show up? Its producer, Kitase.Nomura wanted to turn a shitty character into a good optional VR fight, the horror.
>>741078649>Nomura wanted Weiss in the base remake releaseThat's a strange thing for a man who wants a 1:1 remake to say
>>741076108>I'd love to see these 3 FF7 remake games trimmed of their fat and released as one complete journey.Would actually be pretty fantastic if they make a complete version, no restarts between each part just a seamless game from beginning to end with no filler and the full gameplay systems from part 3 worked in from the beginning.
>>741078813>In fact, I even asked the team to add Weiss as a secret boss fight ever since the PS4 version.Secret, therefore optional boss fight.
>>741075674offensive, and I hate FF7
>>741079237Even criticisms of potential alternate 7Rs wouldn't be valid, huh? If Weiss was in part 1 from the start it wouldn't be something we could criticize Nomura for.
>>741075674Rebirth has a lot of issues mostly related to the pacing and the small world. They really tried to make Midgar feel expanded, but most of the game is a hallway simulator. Additionally, you run through the same areas again and again the entire game.Rebirth came out and really made Remake look like ass.
>>741079432You have to understand a whole team of creatives is involved with the whole project, Nomura isn't 100% in control, so he can't be blamed for literally anything you don't like.
>>741079607>They really tried to make Midgar feel expandedthey didn't try very hard. the one new place is jessies house and thats a glorified on rails cutscene. they "expanded" it by putting a straight line between every screen from the original. you don't explore anywhere new.
>>741079651And you won't allow him to be blamed for anything at all, even though he's the games director. You want successes to be attributed to him and criticisms to fall at someone elses feet.Is there a single thing you'd blame on nomura? Or is it ALWAYS someone elses fault?
>>741075674>Hamaguchi answered a question at the FF7 Revelation Meet & Greet event in Shanghai regarding about why Cloud does not have a definitive romantic relationship and if that’s because they want fans to decide themselves.Here we we have Hamaguchi BTFOing any shippers that think any ship will become canon in the trilogy. Enjoy your nakama/friendship ending bros.
Gameplay is fun but the story is ehhh
>>741079818They had kiss in the last game
>>741079987>optionalIrrelevant since it has no bearing on the main story content.
>>741079987With Tifa right?
>>741079987>optional scene>no evidence of it happening at all by the final act, nothing in the credits reflects itYou might as well say Cloud canonically went on a date with Red XIII and never went on a date with any of the girls.
I never played the original. There was something inherent to the first remake that I wasnt invested in mentally. It was the idea that I am only playing the opening section so I never really bothered to do any side quests because it was a heavily padded 30 hour game. Also the side quests were worthless busy work. They also made much of the main quests triggering, like the animal stealing the item in the sewers. Just these 15 minute distractions everytime you are about to progress. I've only played a small percent of the 2nd game but it seems to have solved a lot of these issues so far.
>>741079809>And you won't allow him to be blamed for anything at allFalse.>even though he's the games directorAlso false.>You want successes to be attributed to him and criticisms to fall at someone elses feet.I'd want to congratulate or blame the right person, but we simply don't know who does what>Is there a single thing you'd blame on nomura?If I knew he was responsible for x or y i don't like, sure.>Or is it ALWAYS someone elses fault?No, but it's ALWAYS Nomura's fault >>741076221 apparently.
>>741079714They why I said it sucked when we saw what they did with Rebirth. They could’ve give us access to other sectors, etc., but didn’t do any of that.
>>741080154>>Is there a single thing you'd blame on nomura?>No, so I won't let anyone else blame him for anything eitherOk, that's all I needed to hear, thanks.
>>741079987In my game he held hands with Aerith, including in the main story
>>741080231ask him for a valid criticism of 7r. I have a feeling he won't like that.
>>741080231>>No, so I won't let anyone else blame him for anything eitherAll i'm asking for is definitive proof that Nomura is responsible for >>741076221 all of thisNot my fault you can't understand
>>741079987Optional content in locked route. They will never give Cloud a concrete romantic partner because it would alienate one side of the ship war.>He said for FF7, he personally thinks that since every character is iconic and loved by so many people, rather than them defining something clearly, having the player think about their own feelings and compare them with their own experience makes them connect with the characters more.
>>741080042>>741080085>>741080094It's literally in the game tho...Besides the point is that it's gonna be some W3 shit where you just pick one.
>>741080440In the game...as optional content. Post the scene where Cloud and Tifa acknowledge the kiss in the main story.
it's objectively good.
>>741080440>It's literally in the game thoYes, Cloud goes on a date with Red XIII in the game.
Why didn't Aerith get a kiss?
>>741080346I'll try it.>>741080397Could you give us an example of a valid criticism of 7R?
>>741080657>please care about optional contenteven ultimania doesn't acknowledge the kiss because you can still just hug tifa if you get the dialogue wrong
>>741080646>>741080509Why did the devs include it?
>>741080346Since he won't ask me I will reply.I think they did a good job as far as main story goes in regard to the original, but so far the addition of the "new mystery" they've added : multiple worlds, whispers, Zack, did nothing to justify their existence. I understand that everything will be revealed in the final game, but I think it's very poor storytelling when it's a trilogy spanning years between games. Some answers need to be sprinkled in each game.
>>741080751to appease tifafags. you guys get a kiss but its optional and isnt relevant in the main story. thats not to say clerith is canon cause its not, but neither is cloti. you guys will be fighting about canon forever unless you both accept they like feeding both sides
>>741080886>>741080712Surprisingly, he did ask>>741080886
>>741080747>please care about optional contentI have never encountered this weird opinion before. Romance in RPGs is almost always optional.
>>741080747>ultimania doesn't acknowledge the kissoof this cope is pretty sad.
>>741080886So you have a criticism, but thankfully it will no longer be a problem once the third game is out. That's very convenient, I must say.
Last game will be persona-like in that you get to pick which girl but it has zero outcome in the main story or any acknowledgement at all during main quests.
>>741081041>Romance in RPGs is almost always optional.Have you not played any other FF game? This is the only one with two love interests. No other FF ship is optional, the romance between the characters is crucial to the story. See Yuna and Tidus for example.
>>741081097>but thankfully it will no longer be a problem once the third game is out.That's just one criticism I think is valid, I have many others, I just don't think they are "valid", more like personal gripes.
>>741081154it will obviously be this with cloudxaeris being hinted through the main story since they already went on a date and held hands in the last game. but the hint will be so small that the ending will look purely as a friendship one thus leaving hoping for tifafags
>>741075674I finished part 1 a few weeks ago and it was agonizing I knew stretching a 5 hour section to 30 hours would have some padding but it was really badThe only good parts were the parts where they adapted 1:1 for the original I'm about halfway through rebirth now and it is a lot better even with the extra crap they added
>>741081362>hinted through the main story since they already went on a date and held hands in the last game.as opposed to kissing?
>>741081324>That's just one criticism I think is validFor now. It won't be once the third game is out.>I have many others, I just don't think they are "valid"So the grand total of actual criticisms that are actually any kind of issue: zero.Phew!
>>741081195So why did they make it optional this time if not to give you a choice?
>>741081408dream date was main story content, kissing was optional with no mention in the main story. but if the kiss was mentioned in the main story and i somehow missed that scene please post it because it changes everything>>741081467they made it optional cause the kiss isnt important to the main story lol
>>741081543It was important enough for you to seethe about it lmao
I must not die before FF6 gets remade. I live for that one purpose.
>>741081432>So the grand total of actual criticisms that are actually any kind of issue: zero.I think Remake is too long, Rebirth is too bloated, They've ruined a lot of moments (Dyne, Temple and city of the ancients). Is it valid, or is it a me thing since it's what i personally feel? The one i posted that i believe is "valid" is because everyone experiences the story the same way.
>>741081370If you constantly compare it to the original you will never enjoy the new stuffs.Make your judgement and see yourself without always being tied by the OG.
>>741081606I actually didn't care about the kiss, I just find it funny how people elevate its importance when it really has no bearing on the main story. I've seen shippers from both sides wave their GS dates as a "winning sign" when it was clear from the first game that they won't commit to one girl. Part 3 will end with no concrete romance and I know shippers from all ends are going to rage and act as if devs betrayed them.
>>741081835>criticisms aren't valid if they're personal opinionsAh, I'm beginning to see the problem here.
>>741075674>Is it really that BAD?Yes.https://screenrant.com/ff7-remake-story-changes-original-aerith-sephiroth-whispers/
>>741079714If they expand it further you purists would complain even more.
>>741076280And yet I don't see a 1:1 story
>>741075674Honestly it really varies from moment top moment.Original Battle System? Gone. It's not even worth arguing about because it plays completely differently from the original on purpose.Time Jannies Meta Plot Faggotry? Awful.Expanding with some neat content and world building like the whole Jessie thing and Roche? Neat.I'd say the actual issue is the SLOW WALK parts, like when you need to SHIMMY and cross balancing beams or CUTSCENE COMING UP walks. And the obvious thing that it is literally just Midgar getting padded out to a full game if we are tarlking Remake specifically..Rebirth kinda gets better, but you can add MULTIVERSE AUs shit to the Time Jannies and it also has UBISOFT OPEN WORLD design.FFVIIR (Series) can be neat when it isn't trying to be Kingdom Hearts and is trying to make the world more living and breathing and fill in the small details getting glossed over due the necessary conservation of detail backs in 1997.
>>741082027What's a valid criticism of 7R?
>>741076983For me it's the revised battle system>Make sure you do (thing) against (enemy) so you can pressure it, but don't do (different thing) while (enemy) is doing (enemy thing) or else good luck pressuring it for the rest of the fight>Also, we removed the Refocus Materia and made it a Synergy move for Aerith that you have to unlock >Also 2.0, the ATB gauge for your party members fills up slower than a slug if you aren't using them. Have fun trying to pressure a boss, retardThe only thing in combat that I like so far is how Aerith and Barret pepper enemies from a distance if they aren't active party members during a fight.
>>741082090Also to note because i forgot, some key scenes are definitely ruined because while they could slip under the radar back in the day Moral Hawks would never let them fly now or just weird changes for the hell of it, like the Dyne plot.
>>741082230Your mom being rallied
>>741081901>I know shippers from all ends are going to rage and act as if devs betrayed them.Bro I got a KISS, I'm good.
>>741082310Then my post isn't aimed at you.
>>741075674Why are you coming here for opinions? These faggots worship Synthetic Man and Crowbcat, of course they’re going to say it’s shit.
>>741082283Hmm seems you would have liked and defended 7R no matter what you got
>>741082418>Synthetic Manviir chads will NEVER forgive that POS for what he said about viir. he made an enemy for life that day.
>Materia is how you cast magic, so pick and choose who uses what for good coverage >Oh btw, everyone gets MP free spells now as a abilities lol. Why did Rebirth do this? I get that they make the actual materia stronger if you have it, but why waste the mana on a spell to exploit a weakness when you can just take the ATB loss and save the Mana for a healing spell or something?
>>741082617>Why do games give players choices?
no its not BAD but its worse than the original when its supposed to be better and thats enough reason to think its a failure
>>741082662Anon, there's giving choices, and then there's making half the magic system redundant
>>741082617>ATB loss fun fact: that is actually the name of the demakes battle system
>>741082617To be fair, the Free Abilities are bad for Damage, the issue is that Damage means fuck all due the Pressure/Stagger system anyway and the Abilities still pressure just as well.
>>741082469Damn right I would
>>741081925You literally invalidated my opinion and what I think is valid criticism after you asked me. Where do we go from here?
>>741082867>You literally invalidated my opinionWhich opinion was that and how did I invalidate it?
>>741082828>the issue is that Damage means fuck all due the Pressure/Stagger system anyway and the Abilities still pressure just as well.That's the point I'm trying to make. Seriously, like I know that the materia spell is stronger, but the ability version still pressures so why the fuck would I waste MP on pressuring?
>>741082617I think they wanted to avoid a situation where the player is ill equipped for a fight and can’t stagger a boss because they don’t have the right material equipped.
I swear to god, if my party can't fucking use abilities and spells on their own without having to use up a fucking materia slot in 7R3, I'm gonna lose my shit
>2027 has big AAA games with Claire Redfield, Lara Croft and Tifa Lockhart
>>741083032You don't.In theory you cast the spell the enemy is weak to during the Stagger for MORE DAMAGE, in practice you can just do another BIG DAMAGE move like a limit or Synergy or spam normal attacks or link the same Spell to multiple Support Materia to buff it to being superior enough to justify the cost (and make it just as free), but that's a lot of Materia slots.
>>741082956>>That's just one criticism I think is valid>For now. It won't be once the third game is out.The third game is out won't change what i think about this part of the storytelling, which I believe is valid criticism. But you jumped to conclusions and tried to spin it into "haha gotcha, see it's only a temporary valid criticism"
>>741083381Don't reply to him. He is a troll.
>Hojo did not save Sephiroth sperm to artificially inseminate womenIs he dumb?
>>741083381My bad, your post seemed to suggest that once you had the answers, it wouldn't be a problem for you anymore. But if it's still a problem even after the mysteries get solved then yes, I can see why you'd consider that an issue.
>Unlock Titan fight>See four difficulty levels>Think it will be easy like the Summon fights in Remake >Start fight>mfw Titan comes bounding over, ignores Cloud and Tifa and stun locks Aerith with two three piece combos into Clasp and then kills her with a Stonega all within the first two minutesHonestly, I would have been mad if I wasn't cracking up.
>>741075674I really really like it.
>>741083541Hojo is traditional, he wants to let the living test experiments fuck to breed new hybrids because he's all about splicing things with Jenova cells.
>>741083131Isn't that how it was in FF7? You only had Attack, Item, and Limit without materia in the original.
>>741075674i really can't decide if this is a shill brigade thread or everybody just so happens to have the exact same braindead take through osmosisit's an excellent action game that expands on the original in cool ways while still being its own thing. the combat system is extremely satisfying and incorporates the rhythm of turnbased combat in a very elegant way. people in this thread seem to be complaining about the fact there are dungeons to explore... and yeah, if you don't enjoy gameplay you probably won't like it i guess
>>741083506He's not, just a misunderstanding>>741083557Thanks, maybe i should've worded it better to make it clearer.
>>741083880If someone asks you to say something bad about these games, he's a troll. Don't be so naive.
>>741083985I don't think that's the case, there's a lot of bad in these games in my opinion, even if I love them overall.
>>741083506>>741083985I'm not telling anyone to say something bad about the games. I just see someone telling others their criticisms aren't valid, so I just check to see if they are reasonable people here to discuss or if they are like you and unwilling to give an inch and just going to tell anyone who says anything critical that they are wrong.
>>741084212Your mom is rallied by horses
>>741084183I feel the same way. I still like them, but there are flaws. Like all games.>>741084278>rallied by horsesWhat an odd thing to say.Anyway it's very clear you're the only troll here. Me and my friend are discussing. Have you anything you want to say about 7R other than "anyone who dislikes it for any reason is wrong and a purist bla bla bla ur mom ur mom"?
>>741084278ESL
I want sex with Sephiroth
>>741079032I imagine they'll do that a few years down the line when they're in another slump and need FF7 to save them again.
>>741076221>>741076280>They think Nomura directed the remakesTourists, as usual, like to open their mouths like absolute retards. Probably from burgerlands.
>>741085496Not the point, but he was one of 3 directors for Remake, and creative director for Rebirth, which is a smaller role. You're the only tourist here.
>>741075674As a game it isn't terrible but you have to forcefully gloss over the spoiler spooks and other dumb bullshit they hit the plot with.It would have been much better if it wasn't a trilogy but two games so the pacing would be a bit less fucked, trying to stretch the original 30 hour game into 90-120 hours was simply a bad idea.I never played the DLC version and I haven't bothered with the second game at all still, despite owning a PS5, and additionally being able to literally pirate it on PC to play for free.I'll probably get to it eventually but I've treated a bit like a Ghostbusters 3 type of deal, not playing it to prevent ruining how I felt about the original. Like AVGN really.
I'll probably watch a summary and skip the first two games. The third will have the best tweaked battle system and all characters. Bonus if you can actually save Aerith this time.
>>741082617>>Oh btw, everyone gets MP free spells now as a abilities lol.oh yes please use them, lets see how much it replaces real magic
>>741075674the padding is out of this world bad and trying to navigate through different areas in chapter 9 is really tedious. That said, I liked the story and gameplay.
