another trans runner caught red handed
>>741079760>red handedWith Billy's Red Sauce that is!Get 20% off with the code: KARLOBSTER
Doesn’t werster think factory records are bullshit because everyone uses tools for them? I don’t think he even submits his runs, why would he bother cheating?
>>741079760literally who. stop promoting your own jewtube
Nobody cares about cheating in video games except the mentally ill
>>741080695if you're not mentally ill you're a normal faggot piece of shit
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
>>741079760I watched his 15 hour pokemon stadium world record the other day. Did he cheat that too?
>>741079760He is not tranny, and this idiot says that he can't prove that Werster cheats 2 minutes into the video so it's a nothingburger.
Why'd he say it?
>>741083081he said it for the children
>>741079760gonna watch it when karl makes a video stealing all the info gathered by other people
>>741083081To prevent cancer
>>741082672Cute and meant for anal sex.Yes, her being a Korean prude IRL makes it even hotter.
>>741083081Trihex gave him the pass.
>cheating at Pokemondamn that's some kinda sad, like those Yugioh anime where you had pathetic little dorks cheat which just made Yugi beat their asses up after beating them at children's card games.
>>741079760Misty was, is and will always be the very best, like no one ever was!>>741082891Wouldn't be surprised if he did. Once a cheater gets away with it he'll do it again and again. Especially if he has an audience and manages to fool them.
>>741082672Why is she constantly so lewd.
werster is literally a chud from /v/
All speedrunning is fake
>>741082672>>741083496Painal rape
>>741083580Then why did Trihex throw Destiny under the bus for the same thing?
>>741079760Who is more pathetic? The tranny who cheats at 'speed runs', or the guy who cares enough to check speed run records for cheating?
>>741079760Everyone making content cheat.
>>741083434It's okay because he asks them beforehand!
>>741079760https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
>>741083751She's alright
>>741083849>who is more pathetic>a person with no integrity or a person who values the truth
>>741079760People alredy knew years agoIt's just one guy who made a video about it and is getting a lot of attention
>>741084050Nobody involved in this scene cares about the truthCertainly not the youtubers who cover speedruns when a "female" runner is mentioned
>>741079760Gimme the short version, I ain't watching an hour long video about a person I'd never heard of before.
>>741079760It's part of the speedrunner's (read, transgender) mindset to do things fast instead of doing things right
>>741084050>>741084104Nobody knows what you are talking about.Nobody knows what game this is.Nobody knows who this person is.Nobody is watching an hour long video to find out any of these unknowns.
>>741079760NO NOT WERSTERTHIS CAN NOT BE REALTELL ME THIS ISNT REAL
>>741082672Sure bud
>>741084320Alcoholic karen crazy eyes.
>>741084147guy claims he got a high score but it's statistically impossible with the amount of playtime recorded on his cartridge also he's cheated in a bunch of games before but no one noticed lolz
>>741083081Wow, 2013 is so different than 2026 it may as well be an alternate universe. Imagine the absolute shit show if this happened today.
>>741084168The guy cheatingPokemonWersterI'm not gonna watch this garbage either, it's for the people who don't give a shit and didn't already know to listen to while doing their dishes or jerking off or something
>>741084208Most likely is real. The implication is essentially that Werster, when playing offline, would have to be going at a very rapid pace that is completely unlike how he plays on stream. And even giving the benefit of the doubt that he plays better and faster offline, it’s still just pretty ridiculous, not within reasonable bounds.
>>741084431Thanks, I can leave the thread now.Shit's stupid, you guys argue all you want about it.
>>741079760I actually took the time to watch this video, and it was a huge fucking nothingburger. This faggot YouTuber didn't actually have any hard proof Werster cheated, just "circumstantial evidence", and kept going "maybe he cheated, but I don't know for sure." I want my hour and a half back, OP.
>>741083492yet the event still got it anyway
>>741084502low iq detected
>>741083081The good old days...
Werster's response (in 4 parts)
>>741084789
>>741084851
>>741079760>speedrunningget a job already ffs
>>741084901
>>741084789>>741084851>>741084901>>741084940someone summarize this for me. in the form of a limerick
>>741085063>i cheated but didn't know i was cheating lol also i'm trans
>>741079760FUCKING NIGGERS
>>741084131>i am poorly baiting for replies>>741084168>everyone is OP
Shit thread. Shoutout to /vg/youtube.com/watch?v=XcBbE3t6cLA&t=2
>>741085161Probably the only non trans speedrunner left
>>741085498>10seconds in, he remembers Trihex is sitting right behind him.
Why do these retards keep thinking they can fool the most autistic communities on earth?
>>741084164This
>known cheater cheated againWhoa...
>>741083496>exclusively draws shit for oversexualized gacha slop>massive prudewhy are korean women like this
>>741085989They know the constrast is appealing to men.
>>741079760Fuck him for jumping on the chugga hate train.
>>741084940Yup he cheated, no one who was innocent would willingly waste time to type all this shit.
>>741084940what fallout is he talking about? is it with the old gdq crew?
>>741086257chugga? yeah he's definitely been chugging all right, look at that double chin.
>>741086298>Yup he cheated, no one who was innocent would defend himselfSo what should one do
Didn't read, didn't watch, tranny is in the wrong, werster is right.
Watching the video now and... this can't really just be circumstantial evidence, right?He's using a lot of math but whenever he finishes the math he gives some sort of explanation for how this could be possible right before saying "but that's unlikely" without specifying the reason.The plus the sheer length of the video points towards this not actually being a case of cheating, but a speedrunning community growing tired of an old dog and his popularity.
>>741086905>Tranny is in the wrongwtf why are you talk about werster like that
>>741086298That's funny because the comments on the video are saying "werster hasn't responded yet..." like that is also suspicious.He can't defend too hard or that's suspicious!He's not immediately defending himself from a callout video, then he's suspicious!This is just like when those Minecraft trannies tried to call out Dream a second time but their proof was this:>Dream doing good at jumping>"YEAH YEAH OKAY! OKAY! RIIIIIGHT! ALRIGHT OKAY!!! MMMMM!!!! SUR WHATEVER!!!">Dream messes up>"LIKE WHY DOES HE MESS UP THERE!?! LIKE WHAT!?!!? LIKE FUCKING... WHAAAAAAT!?!!"and even Karl Jobst had to dedicate half of his Dream update video to gently scolding these trannies for blazenly attempting a witchhunt with no evidence.
>>741087118>his popularity.He isn't. His videos views barely reach the thousands.
speedrun thread
>>741087443If you ask anyone to name a pokemon speedrunner, they will either say "lol what?" or say "werster."
>>741087118>>741087332there's an astounding amount of idiots on 4chan like you two who think 1 in a quadrillion odds can be excused.. BECAUSE IT JUST CAN, OKAY?
WERSTER IS INNOCENT
>>741084208This but the concern is completely unironic
>>741083081There was a chance he could improve someone's life by saying it.
>>741084789>>741084851>>741084901>>741084940I mean I guess this tracks for him. Every single video he posts where the title is something like "Game/Level done in XX:YY:ZZ" he puts a disclaimer "I'm not submitting this to the leaderboards, it was done under my own special ruleset."Still pretty shitty to do, to post shit that is basically misleading at best and outright lying to viewers at worst, framing it as some sort of achievement when its basically TASed. Werster seems washed and he should maybe take a step back after this one, or at least "stripped of his status" in the communities he frequents because the stuff he does is basically no better than anyone else trying to pass off TAS as their own organic gameplay.
>>741087538>HE GOT TOO LUCKYYou have to be able to prove that with video evidence.Your evidence doesn't exist because he played offline, and his run isn't counted as legit and never was submitted to any rankings or leaderboard or anything.You're trying to prove something that only he thinks he did is "fake."
Can't wait until the mob reverts back to being like "...and that's why you shouldn't accuse people without knowing all the information!" only to go back and jump on the next bandwagon accusation in a week, top lel
>>741087749>I don't understand statistics, so the guilty is now innocent!! I am le epic 4chan man! Trannies BTFO!!!!!!
>>741087837Getting this hung up on tranny mockery tells me all I need to know.
What happened to speedrun generals on /vg/?
>>741079760is the pokemon board broke or something? nobody cares
>>741087749Why do you think werster didn't give the full details behind his rng manip before being called out today? Retard. He is a cheater, tried to get clout claiming he played better than actual basement dweller factory autists Who have 10k+ hours in pokemon emerald, but got humbled and was forced to admit he faked his run. He benefited positively from the uncertainty in the form of legitimacy. He's a turbo faggot and he will troon out before the end of the year.
>>741088005There's two threads up right now. That's all a speedrunner really deserves, to be fair.
that's it I'm reattaching my penis back to my body
>>741083081>AGDQ 2013Comfy times
>>741088032If there were no clear community guidelines for the category how is that cheating? Doesn't that amount to saying something like, you should have guessed correctly that something isn't allowed? Not like RNG manipulation is uncommon in speedrunning
>>741088032He made a video a little while ago about how stupid it is that Battle Factory runners don’t consider using tools cheating and showed how easily it would be to trivialize the category with RNG manipulation, I assume that’s what made the guy who made the video mad enough to try to cancel him.
>>741087837No, I'm just hitting the nail on the head.This video was spawned from personal hatred within the speedrunning community, specifically that a respected runner's legit WR got upstaged by Werster claiming a better run he did almost entirely offline without any recording.I get it too, that's a shitty thing to do.Trying to label Werster as a "cheater" for doing it? idk about that unless you have really conclusive evidence.>well using statistics it would've been very difficult to have done this, almost impossible even!His run isn't considered legitimate except by himself and his 100 fans. You literally would have everyone already on your side just pointing out the timing of the claim and the lack of a video, so all this deep statistical analysis just screams "We are trying to end this man's career" rather than expose a cheater.
>>741080695>meanwhile, normalfags
Do people even still give a shit about wersterHaven't heard of him in like ten years
>>741088032He didn't submit his run though. It functionally does not exist and was never considered legitimate.
>>741088265okay. he lied, and faked the score. cool. glad we agree.
>>741088032>he will troon out before the end of the yearYeah that's what you wish. He's the only non tranny speedrunner left in that tranny community that's why you faggots are trying to cancel him.
>>741087738>Watch a video with an obvious disclaimer in both description and video>Do not read it or pay attention>Get triggeredSpeedrunning really did go to the dogs with the tranny incursion.
>>741088032>claiming he played better than actual basement dweller factory autists Who have 10k+ hours in pokemon emeraldyou don't think werster has 10k+ hours? literally all he does it play pokemon and sometimes sonic
>>741083081It would be objectively immoral for him not to say it. The harm done by saying "nigger" is much outweighed by the good of having excess wealth go to the prevention of a deadly disease. Kant speaks of this
>>741088439zfGOAT is still cisgender chuddy
>>741082672didn't know xhe's a tranny
>>741088510Literally who
>>741087814So the run wasn't even submitted? What's their problem then?
>>741088532Some rando streamer, I don't know why he was brought up.
>>741084940He has a point about some sort of official event for setting records. In athletics you can beat a world record in training and it won't count because it's not an official competition.However speedrunning isn't serious business so who gives a fuck about doing that.
watching the video and I'm put off by the creator saying that he and the community didn't want to make this video or investigate the run despite suspecting him. makes it seem like >>741088254 is right and that he pissed them off recently and triggered them to attack him and force him out.
>>741084320>coalburner
>>741088557He streamed it so it means it's real. Even though werster hasn't been relevant in speedrunning in like a decade lol
>>741088557That he claims it while talking down to other runners for not having standardized rules for competition. They feel like he was insulting them all by even claiming that run, and he keeps angering them by implying they all cheat in some way.
>>741088430the fact that you have to continually lie and deliberately misinterpret every post you reply to betrays that even you don't believe that
>introvert plays better when dozens of people aren't watching him and criticizing his playmust be cheating......
>>741088796werster is literally dream2.0 with this fake bull shit and his half excuse of rng manip and all the categories are arbitrary. death to speedtrannies
>>741088668Can't really be relevant when trannies banned him from their main trannyrun events.
Is anyone in this situation a child or do we really have grown ass men fighting about their self-imposed Pokemon challenges?
since when was werster trans
>>741088930In this case you have a group of grown men ganging up on another older adult man in order to get revenge for him upstaging them with a bullshit time that didn't have any evidence to back it up.Speedrunning is simply awful.
I don't know what's going on but I'm going to take the side of the guy that creates the routes other runners copy over some random douche on youtube.
>>741089023He got inspired by cavewoman (formerly known as caveman)
If i'm being honest Werster's excuse that he used light RNG manipulation literally still doesn't account for the absurd disparity in results. I'm guessing he used a tool that locked his Pokémon HP to always be max and just mashed A to get through the fights before finally turning his stream on and showcasing his OMG SO EPIC SCORE GUYS!This is who you worship. Pathetic.
>>741080213>>741084168>Not knowing WersterUnironically go back
>>741089059That "random douche" has hundreds of thousands of karma points on reddit, be careful how you speak about xem
>>741083081crippling autism is the only logical explanation
>>741089080Is that deserving of getting everyone who browses Youtube to see him labeled as a cheater?He didn't submit the time he just bragged about it... like just tell him to fuck off and ban him from the leaderboards.
>>741089214Well I'd say the video is justified but yeah you're generally right.
>>741089174that means he should be executed
what the fuck is the point of TASing somethinglike obviously a computer can play a game without mistakes
>>741089390Some tricks can only be done by machines, like glitches that require 200 frame perfect inputs to pull off. If nobody TAS'd it you just wouldn't see it in your lifetime.It's interesting, and if you don't care, you don't have to watch it.Why would you get upset about it?
>>741089390????????????
>>741088316people who don't know about the factory but know about pokemon wouldn't think to verify the legitimacy of the run and think of it as real especially because it wasn't submitted. It's dark pattern behavior>teehee guys I have a 210 battle factory streak>doesn't state whether it was done legit or with no rng manip until dedicated players looked into it because he never officially submitted it (while making sure everyone interested would still see it)
>>741089276I've always hated werster because I genuinely think he's a bully and puts down people who show more skill than him all the time, but I really don't think this was worth the effort if he never submitted that time.This deserved a ban/suspension from the leaderboards for "unsportsmanlike conduct" or something and a video about the drama imo. Calling him a "cheater" feels like the author is intentionally trying to put all of werster's speedrunning career into question, as if to destroy his legacy. It's making me feel a little gross.
>>741088836>someone who's been streaming speedruns and playing in public for a decade>introvertok lil bro
>>741083751I like Misty too but, oh god, I fucking hate you, autistic faggot retard bitch. You make me feel embarrassed for liking Misty and old Pokemon. Commit your fated suicide already.
>>741089527He didn't invite anybody to watch his streams, there's probably a community of people from 2013 that show up every stream and that's about it
>>741089390I always liked TAS videos because they show a game pushed past its human limit and regularly employ tricks that no one could possibly do in a fun and exciting way.TAS videos are meant to entertain or demonstrate, not show skill.
>>741089539>he's a bully and puts down people who show more skill than him all the timeReally? Do you have any examples of this that can't be chalked up to aussie banter
>>741089616lol this really is the new generation of speedrunners kicking out the old guard
>>741089539>I genuinely think he's a bully and puts down people who show more skill than him all the timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OvXI-q0naARemember that time he hotmic'd an argument with his mother about how his brother was cucking him?
>>741089527The worst part is how he talked shit to frontier enjoyers. This video and detailed report wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the fact Werster thought he was hot shit for getting a streak with RNG manipulation. It negates the strategic aspectsIt's not even like the genning vs grinding debate for vgc
>>741089684I used to watch him a lot back when SRL was a thing, as he was one of the most popular streamers.When some guy beat his WR for Pokemon R/B he basically banned anyone who mentioned the record and strongly implied it was cheated or unfair. The other guy didn't have the viewers of werster so everyone basically hounded the new record holder while he had it.
>>741089798SRL was a good idea, it's a shame some tranny ruined the entire thing for no good reason.
>>741089798Why did he think it was cheated or unfair? Also I don't even remember him being much of an R/B guy, GSC was his bread and butter iirc
>>741079760nothishitagen
>>741089696This has happened across every single fanbase in the last 15 years. The only people from back then allowed to graduate into the new era had to cut their dicks off to prove their allegiance
>>741085063>someone summarize this for me. in the form of a limerick>There once was an austitic fellow>Cheated at Pokemon Yellow,>Oh the excuses he'd spout,>Thought the tools didn't count,>Is it really a crime? >Did he really not earn,>to view the outcome of a turn,>In advance, every time?
Why do autists even care about cheating runs in a video game?
>>741089919>Why did he think it was cheated or unfair?At the time the only explanation I had was that the guy was newer than him and got a better time than him. Werster kept calling it tool assisted.
>>741087814ah yes the person who's been in the speedrun/challenge autism community for 15 years and is constantly outspoken about rulesets and how to play video games "simply didn't know any better"lol. lmao.even if he claimed it as his own thing it doesn't make sense. he uses the 212 pb to compare against his current attempt, so he's just lying to everyone, including himself
>>741090131it activates the autism
>>741090131It's strange when someone feels the need to cheat to prove that they are more of a loser than someone else.
>>741079760Literally who
>>741090131egoposts like yours are written by utter shitters btw
>>741090251I am going to level with you. It really doesn't matter. Even if the most popular speedrunner of the most popular game would cheat, nothing would change except some other autist would make a shitty video about it.
>>741090451yeah you're right, pretty much.
>>741090358I'd cheat just to prove how fucking unimportant this whole thing is. But firstly, why even bother to cheat and why even pretending you care about cheaters?
>>741088280I'm sure your mom could wreck him at hotdog eating anyday
>>741090537>but firstly, [two separate questions]
>>741090629The whole community is just beyond pathetic.
>>741090203Well it sounds like he was just salty and that was a long time ago. I highly doubt he made a big deal of it or that it was the standard for him in general
>>741090358>no I can't enjoy videogames so anyone doing so is a loserkys
>>741090919Imagine explaining to your girlfriend that you enjoy sex so much that you want to nut as fast as you can every time to see how far you can push yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM
>>741091178>retarded analogy that makes no sensegreat argument, casualkill yourself
>>741091178It's more like telling that to your prostitute.
https://litter.catbox.moe/chb8cz0la983xijq.txt
>>741089743>>The worst part is how he talked shit to frontier enjoyersAre you fucking serious dude? Cry about it.
>>741091451Yes nigger, dude kept shittalking the factory and the fact he needs rng manip to get these high streaks highlights why he's such a faggot lmao. He talked shit until he realized he was out of his depth
>>741089198>crippling autismThis comes part and parcel with being a speedrunner.
>>741091581Werster probably knows more about the battle frontier than almost anyone else, including you.
>>741091721actually the video proves werster was in fact out of his depth and had to cheat to try to stay relevant in this category.
>>741091178Isn't it more like how fast you can make your girl cum?
>>741091721He doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't be dissing people using calcs. He is a shitter who got exposed as someone who can't go past 80 wins without having to rng manip his way there. It's like someone who keeps saying Ninja Gaiden is nothing special for an action game but only plays the game at easier difficulties, then cheats to beat the game in Master Ninja to prove people how easy it is. This is the kind of faggot werster is
>>741091787No, this is Any%.
>>741091775>>741091852Oh my god it really is a tranny hitpiece trying to discredit a literal decade of knowledge lol. You retards are being played like a fiddle.
>>741091446i ain't clicking that shit
>>741092043Werster is probably still a good pokemon speerdunner, but is only above average at the battle frontier. He couldn't live that down so tried to stealth claim he was second best in the world, making sure not to officially submit the run nor disclose how he got there before legitimate players called him out on it. No amount of cope posts will change this
>>741092279>pokemon speedrunner>restart 800 times until you get good IVs and then just be competent at menuing for 10 hoursPokemon speedrunning is such a fucking meme holy shit
>>741092279>speerdunner
>>741079760who
>>741092492>spearchucker
>>741092279You're still doing their dirty work, that's crazy.
>>741089696He himself tried to fuck over people in the old guard. That defense doesn't count.
>>741092396Werster created pretty much all the speedrunning routes for every Pokemon game many years ago. He's one of the best ever and many would consider him the all-time GOAT regardless of this run he claimed without proof.
>>741089390Legit answer?Many reasons actually >Explore the limits of the game and discovering new tricks>Showcasing impossible strats and tricks just for the fun of doing It>Make guides for human speedrunners >Indirect reasons like developing tools and new software dedicated to speedrunning>Even more indirect reasons like the development of randomizers and some emulation functionalities
>>741092834Still doesn't change the fact he cheated the factory
>>741079760This magpie guy sounds like a fag. Is he a tranny too?
>>741086741more like chubbachubba the hutt
>>741089919A guy no one had heard of before showed up with a world record run that was played on an emulator and not livestreamed. Werster wasn't the only runner to be suspicious of him: https://web.archive.org/web/20180513110005/http://forums.pokemonspeedruns.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=283
>>741079760I think this is the only speedrunner I know off and it's because he did that "You don't fuckle with Shuckle" video.Shame, he seemed alright
>>741084502I was literally about to post this. I was about to call out this thread for not watching the video. You don't even have to. If they catch a cheater, the thumbnail screams "I CAUGHT THE CHEATER". The fact that it's asking "IS someone a cheater?" means that they didn't find anything and are either clearing the individual of allegations, or making the allegations with no proof.This is "Nothing happened: The thread"
>>741092396Meanwhile the battle frontier in pokemon emerald/platinum actually asks a completely different skillset, especially strategy-wise. The AI is easy to abuse sure, but the battle factory is really rough if you don't know what you're doing on top of the retarded RNG situations you can't do anything about (quick claw sheer cold). As a kid I could only reach silver tier. Trying to mitigate the rng requires a lot of planning ahead, almost like playing on smogon or pokemon champions in a way. It's actually really fun as a "roguelike" of sorts. Being good at speedrunning and having in depth knowledge of pokemon can help, but there's a specific kind of autism and patience needed to be good at the factory that is only rivaled by pvp scenarios. Werster is probably just washed up and got filtered as a result, his seething against spreadsheet use or having to rely on calcs for certain turns shows why. It's why I always laugh when people say pokemon is a kids game or a easy jrpg
>>741079919fibby pibbycan't hitch the mitch
>>741084502Werster admitted to cheating. The troon was more than generously trying to put Werster in a good light throughout the entire video. The timeline discrepancy, coincidental timing and the 1 in 129 million odds alone prove beyond the shadow of a doubt the impossibility of the run. It wouldn't be registered as evidence in a legal setting but common sense dictates that the run is unnatural.
>>741093070Was the Sarah Hagan account a parody of that?https://youtu.be/TUBUmVc7MK4
>>741083913Except in this case the answer is yes. It kinda had to be because if you make a video with "CHEATER?" in the thumbnail and then say he's not a cheater, you'll smear his name regardless.
>>741088032>Why do you think werster didn't give the full details behind his rng manip before being called out today?Why does someone HAVE to reveal their strategy to other people exactly? Either he broke a rule definitively or he didn't. This is a nothing burger.
>>741093705Yes
Does Werster still stream in a literal closet? You used to be able to see him in the dark with nothing but the glow of his laptop and small television he uses to speedrun the same four pokemon games for the last 15 years.
>>>/vp/
>>741092894>>741093428>>741093632>cheating >he's washedHe accidentally stumbled on a way to get a good starmie in an offline run that he didn't even submit. You faggots are trying to make it out that he's never accomplished anything from beating the base frontier in over 15 years of streaming or pioneering strategies that are still used today. What is this lucasbashing bullshit?
>>741084789>talking about hate mobs after he jumped on Chuggaaconroy to defend a woman who admitted that she was trying to seduce him
After reviewing everything it’s a huge nothing burger.The run in question that was supposedly cheated was never submitted anywhere officially, and the technique used to “cheat” was a form of in-game manipulation which is common in speed running.It seems the community doesn’t have a stringent ruleset around this to begin with, so it’s debatable if the technique used could even be considered cheating.Nobody lost their record to this guy, nobody lost any clout, this guy didn’t seem to gain any clout from the “cheating” to begin with. YouTube uploaded just seems to be desperate for attention and /v/ is happy to give it to them.
You hate Werster because he tried to cancel ChuggaaConroy and might have cheated at a few speedruns.I hate Werster because he insulted my favorite Sonic game. We aren't the same.
>>741093810In his case he was claiming to have a 212 win streak in a category people compete in. Even if he didn't submit the record, it still would've been useful to know it was RNG manipulation. So they're not chasing a record that was only possible using banned technique.
>>741089985>Werster uses RNG manipulation to get a record>still fucks up the manip and loses his run
>>741091178>food analogy
>>741079760why do people not cover up their cheating better?
>>741093374>>741094030>Dude it's nothing lmao if you care you're autisticIronically, this black and white way of viewing the situation is something an autistic person would do. It's far more nuanced. The factory community is really just a couple dudes with an axe to grind, and Werster is clearly an unreliable narrator.
hey guys i have a 1252 win streak but i didnt submit it so its ok im better than you btwnot only the vast majority of people in here don't know anything about speedrunning, werster, the community or a general context of whats happening, the video is also really badly made (as a video) with so many ifs and buts it takes him 5 minutes of preamble just to show a single graph holy fucktl;dr everyone knows werster is a cheater lmao
>>741092976obviously
>>741094312>The factory community is really just a couple dudes with an axe to grind, and Werster is clearly an unreliable narrator.Werster probably did the run just to make everyone upset, and it worked but they kept stewing over it for over a year until they decided to use this dick move to end his career.
>>741093336he didn't cheat lol this is an hour+ long video by an insane tranny that no one would ever watch and you actually believe it
Are people really proud of "speedrunning" videogames? I mean, how can this shit be considered an achievement at all, to think these people must have over 10-20k hours of playing the same game, all day, every day, for literal decades like it was a 9-5 job
Why not just fucking enjoy a game as it's meant to be
>>741093915werster intentionally didn't clarify whether the huge streak relied on rng manip or not before being officially called out on it, and still displayed the run several times unprompted when talking about the battle factoryhis apology and your post appear to be in bad faith, cuz he knew this was a competitive environment that people cared about. he's not some casual newcomer to the pokemon scene, he's been a speerdunner for years meaning there's no way he didn't know what he was doing with all the ambiguity in the air
>>741094448>t.has never been good at anything
my goat is washedunrelated to op
>>741079760*10 minutes of waffling in the beginning about absolutely nothing while thinking anyone gives a shit about their slowass delivery*yeah I'm clicking offhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvbBLDSpO3A
>>741079760>cheat biology>think they have the integrity to not cheat at games
Werster is an eternal cuck anyway.
>>741094448Some people actually makes speedrunning their job and earn some pretty good cash.Also, some speedrunners also have code skills so they develope some pieces of open source software that look pretty nice in their resume because that software is usually about tracking stuff, and guess what IT and bank companies love to do?
The dude who made this video is retarded. I don't doubt that werster has cheated, but Magpie blew his load before he got actual undeniable evidence of werster cheating. Probably spent months on this shit too.
>>741094451how do you keep enjoying a game after you 100% completed it ?
>>741094523He wasn't trying to pass it off as a real run though, he was trolling the people who helped make this video by claiming he also "suddenly" got a huge win streak so the whole factory community could realize that this was dumb, took no skill, and had no rules.The fact that he had to admit to RNG manipulation isn't really relevant here, just that he has "admitted defeat" by finally revealing the truth behind it to a community that has been stuck seething about it since 2024.
>The gen 4 battle factory community is up in arms!Oh noes!
>>741094689Waiting a while and then starting it over to do it again for fun.
>>741094673I mean the video did its job. werster would have never admitted anything otherwise and would've kept it ambiguous just to fuck with people
the troon is playing the battle factory right nowhttps://www.youtube.com/live/GHPGIpwhIqM
I feel like playing some based pokemon silver (NOT the remake with gay graphics)
>>741094810Better to say you didn't follow the rules than to have the "CHEATER?" thumbnail accusing you of much worse being out there without any pushback.
>>741094815not clicking or giving them +1 view lol
>>741094689This might come as a surprise to you but some games are really well designed gameplay-wise to revisit even if you've technically maxxed out the progression. Action games, shmups etc. Apparently even something like Pokemon is under that umbrella which surprises me
>>741094030This makes sense, the clickbait thumbnail and "you can write whatever you want as the headline, just phrase it as a question" tactic feels very bottom of the barrel content
>>741094789>WaitingI'm not doing that.
>>741094451Anon, not even ourselves (the ones that are actually human posters, not bots or indians) enjoy 100% the game for what it is. We talk about lore, theories, glitches, boobs, ass, mods, bait, the people who made the games, an so on, almost all of that stuff is not in the game and we still do it because we have fun doing it and love the games.
>>741084901>The Yellow run being private>it triggered meLiteral troon behavior.
>>741094970It's a shame because this guy really knows what he's talking about when it comes to the factory and I've found myself following his advice for my own runshttps://youtu.be/b8azNE6WJFMHe covers the gameplay of another speedtroon in this video, but the explanations behind each choice the player made whether it's pokemon choice or what move was pressed and the planning ahead was really interesting
>>741089539>oh no think of the poor 32 year old edgy manchild :(don't care, he also never explained sarah hagan
This guy never definitively proves at any point in the video that werster "cheated". Just that he used RNG manipulation (which all these fags do anyways). This smells like a hit piece because he dislikes werster for whatever reason. And if you check the comments it's just a bunch of sycophants sucking this guy off and shitting on wester for whatever asinine reason they can come up with. There's so many petty retarded faggots in this community. They are like women. I guess that's why they all troon out.
>>741080116Ego. He wouldn't be good even if he played with the same tools.
>>741094815>Has a tool that tells him the possible enemy movesetWhat a faggot
>>741080116He was basically trolling them.
>>741095326>he never cheated, just that he cheatedBrilliant take there.>it's just a bunch of sycophants sucking this guy offSo what werster has?
>>741095142no, nobody knows what they are talking about and everyone is just reading off shit and cheating and using battle simulator calculations and derived/mined information to determine which pools spawn anything and manipulating rng. nobody is playing "legit" anymore to begin with.
Werster girlies, we lost.
>>741094312>It's far more nuanced.It's honestly not. That's just weasel language used to force in your opinion over mine. The fact of the matter is that this really IS absolutely nothing. What is the crime here?
>>741089539>feels like the authorThere's sections of the video dedicated to "how likely is Werster to cheat" This isn't a coy "I'm speaking my truth"; He is very direct about what he thinks.
>>741095351>he wouldn't be goodlol he's one of the best and way better than all of the trannies using training wheels for over a decade and you say he wouldn't be "good"
>>741095496But he isn't that's the thing. He talks about the strategies employed to mitigate with the threats
>>741095449If RNG manipulation is cheating now then they are literally all cheaters and it makes no difference.
>>741079760Not Werster, he can't fallHe's the only pokemon speedrunner that isn't a child raping pedophile
>>741095402kek such a shameless tranny blatantly cheating and made a video about someone else cheating LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL what a fuckin faggot
>>741095636Prove that they're RNG manipulating. Oh wait, you can't and don't engage with the community anyway lol.
>>741090123i cried
>>741095601He is a shitter poser even worse than mork
>>741095650Brother his profile picture is a 12 year old girl who he waifus >>741095547
>>741095402Speedrunners are like this.They literally approve modded games and cheating to skip boring/long parts if it "helps the community grow" which always ends up being something that makes the run easier.
>>741095636Why hasn't he unprivated the 1:55 Yellow run yet, where he probably RNG manipulated?
>>741095696how can you be a poser if you actively played and even streamed it to prove you've been playing for over a decade lol retard choose a different word that actually makes sense at least
>>741095692Just like how you can't prove werster cheated either lolAlso why would I engage with any of you retarded troons? You are literal worthless subhumans lmao
>>741095547So basically he did this to troll people he hates in his own community and the community that hates him wanted to get him to admit that he trolled them over a year ago...
>>741095702Misty is like 40 years old now, anon
>>741095547>butts heads with a group of troons>drives them up a wall by doing a high streak run and not telling them there was slight manip involved to get a good starting Starmie>there are people here against him because of thisWhat twilight zone have I stumbled on? How is driving them insane for 2 years not based?
>>741095767in gen 1 you rng manipulate as part of the run retard the WR does this shit and it's in all the guides to rng manipulate are you fucking gay
>people arguing with each other when they dont even know what rng manip is and why its a big issue in battle factory win streaksstop wasting your time arguing anons, go play a game or something
>troll a community so hard they dedicate days of their life to statistics and video editing just to force you to admit you were lying to them to get a risewerster is the last true speedrunner
>>741095547My favorite part is when he plays dumb and goes "I didn't know the rules sorry ;_;" despite speedrunning, moderating speedrunning communities, and talking about rulesets and run validity for almost 20 years. You're not fooling anyone buddy.
>>741095868The video isn't about speed-running. It's not even about factor speedruns.
>>741095402You didn't play the game. It's like knowing which boss is coming in Balatro (and only after taking the risk to make inferences as opposed to pokemon) would mean you're cheating
>>741095903>NOOOOO STOP DOWNPLAYING THIS YOU MUST GET ANGRY AND CALL WERSTER A LYING MEANIE!!!fuck off tranny
>>741095924>the sacred rules of the battle factory community is under attack, sisters!
>>741095947>and only after taking the risk to make inferences as opposed to pokemonbalatro*
if you're not on werster's side you're a tranny period
>>741095947If you use any tool to analyze the game while it is running, that is tool-assisted. It's no different than watching RAM addresses for RNG, it's actually cheating.
>>741095924it's all to prove how bad the rules are you don't get itdon't mind how i'm a troon and how i tried to get the fucking niggers clip taken downwink wink nudge nudge ;)
>>741096025werster is the literal definition of a repressed chud troon
All this does is cement Werster as one of the few based speedrunners in my mind.
>>741095947tool assisted speedrun lol except it's just for retarded trannies to feel good
>>741096043Werster says that but doesn't follow it either. He accidentally tabbed into an external tool during an HGSS speedrun, took the vod down to hide the evidence, then went "oh I don't remember that lol"
>>741096043The tool is there for viewers first and players second. I can make the same inferences without the tool when playing, it's QoL for the casual audience. Even with the damage you take or receive you can tell
>>741095947>you didn't play the game because you didn't played it over and over again for 999999999 hours like a trannypretty sure tons of 1st graders played pokemon yellow and beat it
>>741096081now you're trying to groom him fucking tranny
>>741096142Exactly, the entire speedrunning community is just cliques of cheaters beating up designated "cheaters" who have no support to absolve themselves of sin.>>741096152He could easily be looking at the stream or OBS to see anything intended solely for the viewer.
>>741096231Bro he got triggered by his Yellow run and took it down like a chud. He is the tranny here.
yay werster cheated but I can happily cheat on stream using programs :)it's just a rage baiting tranny that should fucking kill himself
>>741096152Like when someone has OCR+MTL on screen even though they know japanese because otherwise the viewers would just be seeing moonrunes and waiting for the player to explain?
>>741096174>I kvetch and seethe about a "kids game" but I've never actually played the battle frontier>act surprised when you're being called out for being a retard with little to no experienceyour opinion is worthless, shitter
>>>/out/
Exarion's autistic mumble rants about cheaters are hilarious. This dude is not normal
>>741096025His own brother cucked him and stole his girlfriend and his mother helped him do it.
>>741095780you lost werster
>>741096320>battle frontier in pokemon yellowtranny giga retard
>>741096414And this makes him a troon?
verlisify must be in this threadhi verlis :)
>>741096445It makes him a betamale cuck.
why would you waste time on honest speedruns, when you can speedrun the records by cheating?
>>741095905you're trying so hard to save your image westroon
>>741096562it's fun to compete against/with others
>>741096535So? Don't you have better things to do than dig up 15 year old interpersonal drama like a parasocial man pretending to be a woman?
I'll never understand why speed runners care so much about cheating. You're already cheating at the game. They are not built to be played like that.
>troon v/s troonI hope they both kill each other
>>741095696>morkno wonder this thread is shit. the shmuptrannies are here too. but for once i agree, werster sucks
>>741096618>dig upThese retarded attention whores put it out in public for the world to see. Don't blame me.
>>741094187Which one?
>>741095924He's a narcissist playing the victim/vigilante angle like he did before, only this time there's hard numbers to back it up
>>741096618He's trying to make up for the fact that this speedtranny and his community were fuming mad over a random claim werster made 2 years ago by painting Werster as being more embarrassing.
>>741096618Don't you have better things to do than whiteknighting this cheating troon?
>>741095702>Liking a fictional character means he is a pedo guysHow many times have we seen the contrary and you still haven't learned
>>741096875>troon trying to wear down the word troon so much that it stops having meaningI see what you're doing.
>>741083081Because it had to be said.
>>741096927The jig is up Werster
>>741079760Isn't this the faggot that tried helping a tranny cancel some autistic guy because the troon was bored?
>>741095402This has got to be the most retarded post on this website. The challenge in the frontier factory lies with your understanding of AI mechanics and strategic ability to make the best of the semi random hand you're given. Even in actual pvp multiplayer scenarios where you can reasonably predict down to the exact EV spread the pokemon team you're going to face thanks to the preview, that knowledge doesn't give you an inherent advantage. Doubly so you go full retard, or get unlucky during the battle itself. The tool these e-celebs use acts the same as a person would in real life, crossing down possibilities as the battle progresses. I fucking hate this board. Why do people who don't play games think they have anything relevant to add to the discussion? Fucking casuals man. Shut the fuck up nigger.
>>741079760It's always the ones you suspect the most.
>>741096625Clout, that's what the "comunity" is all about. They are full of people chasing the top spots for internet fame and trying to tear each other down every now and then. Obviously that would breed both cheaters and envious people that accused anyone of cheating.You have to wonder how many of them actually like videogames anymore.
>>741097109It's a tool-assisted speedrun.
>>741097210In this case he was being an asshat to the community without the skill to back it up. And for someone with so much experience in speedrunning, playing it off as simply not knowing better is even more egregious.
>>741090123Beautiful, the only thing worthwhile in this whole thread.
>>741097270Doesn't matter if the rules allow toolsYou wouldn't magically get a 200 streak when your PB is 63 even if you used tools
fakest and gayest drama
>>741097508>using outside tools that analyze the game in real-time isn't cheating>RNG manipulation is cheatingso the entire factory community is fucking insane and making up rules based on "vibes"?
>>741097587ok werster
>>741097616I think you're greatly overestimating how useful those tools really are. Either you're a troll and was never in the scene at all or you're another werster drone.
>>741085989Korean women hate Korean men and see it as throwing slop to the hogs.
>>741097616yeah it's retarded
>>741097729not mutually exclusive
>>741089151isn't he the bad guy from resident evil?
Worster about to start his factory run in second gear
>>741097729So theoretically Werster's RNG manipulation could be determined to be a good idea by the clique of runners who are friends with each other and moderate everything, then it would be fine to use and Werster's crime is just figuring out a strat and not sharing it.this could actually happen in this retarded competition
>>741097109you're so fucking retarded you don't even realize how fucktarded you are
>>741086829just don't say nothing
>>741079760I don't care.
>>741097958Getting Starmie3 every run is boring, lacks skill, and most importantly unfun. Top runners would crush your 500 record if they did that too. Sorry werster, you suck at Pokemon.
>>741079760Is there a place where they put what the rules for this kind of stuff are?
finished the video and by the end I was convinced the creator was trying to get me to believe something he isn't even sure is true lolthe sheer amount of times he says something like>giving him the BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE...>giving him the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT...>now this isn't *TOO* SUSPICIOUS...>it's unlikely and improbable but I'M GONNA MENTION IT BECAUSE IT IS AT LEAST TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE...made me laugh, like anyone buys his disingenuous attempts at pretending to defend a guy he clearly despises
>>741098048mission failed>>741095547
>>741098292Hey Werster, it means he was giving you the benefit of the doubt in everything and it still cast suspicion on you. Glad we cleared it up.
>>741091446i clicked, but i ain't reading that shit
>>741083081Wait, the dude who said nigger during a run a decade ago trooned out? What the fuck are they putting in the water?
hey werster i know you're in this threadwhy are you deleting youtube comments faggot
>>741098447i dont think werster is posting here given that he already admitted to using RNG manipi love all the formulas and math terms he keeps using and name dropping literally without any explanation as to what any of them mean or what they are normally used for outside of proving cheating percentage (which apparently you can just do with 'Fisher's Exact'?)
We need a tranny holocaust badly
>>741083751There are so many female characters in countless franchises that are ruined by having terrible hairstyles that would look so much better if they let their hair down.
>>741098184Some tranny discord where you have to prove you're underage or a tranny to join
>>741097616>RNG manipulationIn this specific case, it bypasses the main challenge of the factory (planning and strategic decision making) by mostly replacing it with pure mechanical execution instead. Unless there's a category specifically made allowing rng manip, any runs relying on such methods can't be considered legitimate. Would've been one thing if the game we were discussing in this case was Ikaruga, GodHand or OSU but Pokemon is a turn based JRPG where the emphasis is put on the puzzle and tactical aspects, not finger dexterity and reaction time.Performing well in the emerald battle factory requires an entirely antithetical approach than what you would do in a regular pokemon speedrun, where those considerations aren't as important or part of the challenge being faced in the tower. If anything, going fast is extremely often a bad idea when your objective is to make thoughtful choices and keeping a streak going for as long as you can, trying to mitigate bad luck or stupid mistakes resulting in negative outcomes. >Tool-assisted speedrunFirst, it's not a speedrun. Second, the tool only makes available information that is already known and can be accurately inferred by top players in this tier for casual watchers. But beyond that, it would be like saying using the move planner in advance wars by web is cheating because you happened to forget the exact % of damage you'd inflict and receive for a specific scenario. This is a huge misunderstanding of the skills being judged in that instance. It's like me writing down gym leader movesets, leads and held items based on their appearance order in pokemon emerald rogue. There comes a point after hundreds/thousands of hours playing where you intuitively know this shit, with or without the notes.I don't know why I'm wasting time on this. If you'd bothered playing this game (or any, really) beyond surface level stuff for casuals you'd realize why this post is just dumb. Just pipe down
>>741082672why does every fan of this slop look at this and think "I want to look like this" instead of "I want to fuck this".
>>741098672He did explain them in the video and his paper. Just because you're uneducated and can't read doesn't mean it's wrong, Werster.
>>741098785>another person explains why RNG manipulation can't be allowed in Pokemon when literally every major run uses it for stats that give a perfect Pokemon every time
>>741085063He didn't cheat because he didn't compete in any official speedrunning competition, he just made up his own for dopamine
>>7410982921:40 in
>>741098785Maybe they should have made the game better where the same shit doesnt happen every time
>>741098887>rng manipulation is done in a category that allows rng manipulationwow!!!
>>741098752That would make them less unique or something according to designers. But yeah, it's insane how many times hair down is just a huge improvement.
>>741079760is this the guy who got Wally a shiny ralts
>>741082672>>741084320>>>/vt/ranny
>>741098923He already admitted to cheating.
I will wait for Karl's totally original video to tell me what to think.
>>741099084Cool? I posted a quote from the video in response to anon talking about the back and forth in the video.
>>741099130Who?
>>741099130>"hey mate, can i show your work on my channel? trust me mate, people will flock to see your original vid after watching my much more concise vid!"
>>741088265I did a TAS of pokemon yellow where I did an entire run in less than 1:50 and the only wild pokemon I encountered the entire run was a nidoking and two HM slaves. if I didn't tell you this, you'd have no way of proving it was TAS. the run itself is astronomically stupid looking, but technically not impossible. there's nothing that happens in the run that would make it impossible though. you'd be stupid to believe it was legit.
Autists and trannies should be systematically killed and eradicated until there are none left. They should be killed as quickly as possible with methods that kill all of them as fast as they can die in factories and camps that nonstop kill them. They should be going by on conveyor belts getting shot in the head and poured into giant pits of fire by dump trucks and gassed in gas chambers 24/7 constantly dying nonstop around the clock until all trannies and autists all die.
>>741098912I like how boomers think anyone still cares about Pokemon speedrunning. It's just VGC, hardcore nuzlockes, and Factory now :)
>>741099084No he didnt you autistic tranny he said that he played so much that he recognized what seed he was on dumb faggot not commit suicide or get killed in the tranny holocaust
god I love the speedrunning community>members have a chance to troon out any month>cheating scandals>lawsuites>suicides
>>741099329Werster tried doing this with Sarah Hagan and he got clowned for it immediately.
>>741099332>nooooo I should be able to get away with cheatingkys
>>741089151literally fucking who
>>741099329I remember I was watching some guy do a commentary on his Yellow TAS on youtube while he was streaming, and it opened with his chat dead besides for a single troll who just insulted him and then got banned. I stopped watching at that point feeling sorry for him.Hope that wasn't you.
>>741099526You need to be killed in the tranny/autist holocaust or commit suicide now
>>741098887I'm not saying rng manip is not allowed in pokemon broadly because it has its uses in speedrunning or breeding, just that it can't be considered a legitimate strat in the extremely specific context of the roguelike/roguelite mode where playing around luck (and getting raped by double team evasion stall or unavoidable quick claw OHKO moves) is part of the challenge. I personally think it sucks as opposed to games where RNG is less present, if at all. But there is skill in the ability to optimize each turn and decision you make even when you're given a shitty draft of pokemon, like in fire emblem when you get bad stat rolls on level ups. Strictly talking about the factory here, it's almost like (singleplayer) poker or mahjong.I otherwise don't mind and actually support the use of rng manipulation and glitches in pokemon, even going as far as cheating by genning for instance. I don't mind emulator fast forward for grinding either, because walking around tall grass pressing A for 40 minutes isn't gameplay. Taking time to think and outsmart your opponent during battles, may it be AI or human, is the actual game part.
>>741099557nah i don't stream because I'm not a troon
>>741089151>go backwhere? pretty sure he's more known on reddit than here
love how the schizo went from "he's NOT cheating you're a faggot troon" to "who even is this guy" lol
>>741099332>Has 4chan.org in his browser historyLay down on this conveyor belt, you tranny autist.
I'm more bewildered by the amount of people that give a shit about this than Werster actually doing the deed. You would think this was another DSP jacking off on livestream situation with the amount of traction this has gotten.
Reminder that werster is an honorary nigga while trihex got his black card revoked by the MHC
>>741079760Werster shadow banned me in his youtube chat, none of my comments show up in is screen feed
>>741099780Trannies just love the battle frontier
>>741099780Werster has been a cunt for 15+ years on the predicate that he's actually a good player. The couple schizos here did the rest.
Im going to use this thread to ask about GunnermaniacWHY THE FUCK IS HIS FACE COVERED IN RED BUMPS?FROM HIS BALD ASS HEAD TO HIS FUCKING CHIN IS JUST BLOOD RED BUMPS, WTF!
>>741099826He tried to get that clip taken down though. And he claimed he got triggered by that Yellow run and took it down. He's not based at all, just another speedtroon.
>>741095547KEK BASED
>>741094665he's had a rough life... also his brother's a prickstill, I like his 100% pokemon stadium 2 runs, good for sleep
hi verlisify
>>741100216he himself is a pricknever had sympathy for him
I'll just watch the hour long doc about this in a week instead. Can't wait for Nintendo to kill this entire scene with WIWa
Tranny holocaust now
>>741100368werster is the first tranny to go
>literally not a single troon is involved in any of this>CTRL-F
>>74110040743% suicide rate and rising tranny it needs to be 100%
>>741100024It wasn't about the clip. It was about Trihex being a whiny shitcunt for years in the Yoshi's Island community, trying to block anyone else from claiming world records and from being able to submit runs to GDQs unless he personally liked them. Then when Trihex got famous on twitch he started going completely PC, went from a "real nigga" into a complete pussyboy that started snarking on the other members of the MHC, I forget if it was sylux or darksonic that he tried to snake on but there was some gay shit behind the scenes. On top of trying to turn speedrunning into an esport which was, and still is, gay as fuck and part of the reason why speedrunning sucks today.Meanwhile werster was based as fuck and hung around with them for years. Never afraid to shout FUCKING NIGGERS, told it like it was to his friends, never got upset over dumb internet drama, just played pokemon because he's autistic about it. Even amidst all this dumb cheating scandal (and he probably did cheat but who fucking cares) his reaction is still "yeah bro I don't give a shit, it's just video games". Maybe he's going too close to lowtax "haha funny man" antics but I'd rather have that over the usual shit we see today.
>>741100432The video was made by a tranny who needs to be holocausted
>>741095924Are you autistic? Can you not tell when he's trolling? Do you understand sarcasm?
>>741094387>the video is also really badly made (as a video) with so many ifs and buts it takes him 5 minutes of preamble just to show a single graph holy fuckits because he is going for the dramafag audience and not the few autists who care about win streaks in emerald. you can tell what audience he is going for when he started explaining what the battle factory even is at the start of the video
>>741100538>i was pretending to be retarded for years lolok werster
>>741098292https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q_4VFuOPgqy9mt9ekDmd61Fs0GEQpxdu/view
>>741100513and your proof being...
>>741100483>>741100538>it's just video games>it's just trollingThis is an ill-conceived take when it's obvious he has been the most outspoken figure about run legitimacy for years. He even ends his response on proof verification by in-person speedruns. It's extremely hypocritical of him to act this way with the Factory runs.
>>741100681Proof being that he's a tranny
I honestly don't care. I've followed Werster for years and watched dozens of HGSS runs die at Red, hours in. I knew that he cheated when he was a kid and likely cheated later in life, but he's also spent thousands of hours on legitimate, WR pace runs only to get fucked. He's put so much time and effort into legitimate speedrunning and mastering Pokemon that I don't really care.Also, every other Pokemon speedrunner or battle factory autist is very much an insufferable twat. Werster is the only tolerable one I've ever encountered. That probably influences my opinion.
>>741100734and your proof being...
>>741100629google doccy
is werster the roided up faggot?
>>741100770He's a tranny
>>741100853and your proof being...
>>741100752I lost respect for werster when he had a meltdown about LRXC. He poked fun at him in a video thumbnail and he even took it down after he threw a tantrum, then blocked him. If you can't take banter, don't dish it out yourself.
>>741100834No you fucking retarded nigger
>>741099879He is a good player, though. He just couldn't accept that he wasn't the best at something outside of his specialization and cheated at it.
>>741079760Mistyfags....
>>741100868Him being a tranny
>>741100432easiest way to discredit him is labling him a tranny
>>741089073You can't be serious lol
>>741099130why do people have a problem against this troon
>>741100990He acts like a tranny so he is one
>>741100990discredit who
>>741101029The gay retarded nigger tranny
>>741101060so werster
>>741101060so magpie
>>741079760>>741079919>gets cancelled for trolling, didn't even submit it as an officialWhen is it Karl's turn to face the gallows? He trolled the Goldeneye community actually submitting his fake runs
>>741101074No the tranny
>>741079760
>>741101115but werster is the tranny
>>741101115Werster?
>>741082672For me it's Aki's everything followed by Flare's legs.
>>741101129The tranny made the video lying about werster cheating
Has /v/ always been like this and mocking good playersThis board is full of seething women
>>741101176No one lied about werster cheating
>>741101106thing i can't stand about Karl is that sleazy Oh i didn't say XYZ, after making a whole video heavily implying it just because he technically didn't say the words. Its like narcissistic politics lingo,
Isn't this the nigga that discovered shiny frames, duping, and converting bad eggs into any 'mon you wanted in Emerald? No shit he'd cheat, why let a 'tism warlock like that submit in the first place?
>>741101176werster is the actual tranny because he is a speedrun tranny
>>741101149The TRANNY
>>741100708"run legitimacy" for battle factory has always been a jokeyou used to have a soft rule of "no outside tools" which was impossible to police, so the other BF runners went from having a spreadsheet of possible mons, into running smogon calcs and having optimal plays on every move, into now we have seed manipulation and the mods will make new splinter categories which then merge into the main real categories (mainly for jewtube videos because you can just make NEW WR VIDEO and get 500k views) and nobody knows what the fuck is "legitimate" anymoremaybe worcestershire is just being a salty nigger because he got beat, but there's a fair argument to be made that the FOR FUN side category of battle factory which was originally done to just mess around between full game runs, has been tainted by even more optimization than said full runs
>>741101204Good players don't have a long history of cheating and troon behavior.
>>741101176I found the actual tranny whose begging for wersters cock
>>741101209A tranny did that's what the thread is about
>>741089390https://youtu.be/DgLoyL4dBt8?si=bNn1sDJx3SoBB5n0They're fun.
>>741101256yeah like werster the troon
>>741101275Is that you, the real troon here all along?
I hate what modern 4chan has turned into. Seriously what the fuck
Having watched the video, what I'm confused about is why this autist spent dozens of hours doing a statistical analysis of Werster's 212 streak...... but didn't do a statistical analysis of the 247 streak it was trying to beat, the one that came out of fucking nowhere and more than doubled the battle factory doubles streak record. Isn't that infinitely more suspicious? It would be like someone taking an entire two seconds off the men's 100m sprint WR if the race were held in a dark tunnel where no one could see 90% of it.
As a transwoman, this thread make me disgusted
>>741101341Goomer's run is also suspicious kek.t.know
>>741090123Excellent post.
>>741101347Tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny 43%
>>741101341Because each community's mod team is a secret clique of faggots who will single out one person, this has been made worse by jewtube rewarding videos which fit into the algorithm, and these gay callout videos always pull hundreds of thousands to millions of viewsExpect in the following week that every sloptuber like Karl Jobber will make their own videos trying to grift off this despite knowing nothing about pokemon
>>741101341If you have a name, that is the only thing people give a shit about these days. Seriously, think how many families just ignore their own siblings/kids because they don't have notoriety, usually they them to be doctors or lawyers as opposed to gay anime girl livestreamers though.
>>741101341He had like a >98% win rate playing online, which is far more likely to get a 247 streak than a 93% win rate getting a 212. You weren't paying attention.
>>741101341It sounds like the dude had a vendetta, its more like demanding bloodwork and a full investigation into someone who came in 4th on an unofficial 100m sprint, while ignoring the rest.
>>741101341>>741101392>>741101447>>741101493>1 minute apart
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>>741101341Werster admitted to cheatingand his winrate/play speed/luck were physically incompatible with the streak he displayed if it had been legitimateGoomer has much more beliveable credentials
>>741101571>Werster admitted to cheatingNo he didnt tranny
Whats the proof of Werster being a tranny? Dude used to be based a/f. Find it hard to believe he trooned out.Any pics or him claiming to be an unironic they/the/xir?
>>741083751>>741083925>>741089609>>741098752>wanting used goods
>BROTHER! GIVE ME THE WORLD RECORD AND MY WIFE IS YOURS!
>>741101328Literally
>>741101609Dude erotic role plays as Misty frustrated at the world and "his" viewers. What do you think, anon?
>>741101603he did troon he said it was rng manipulated. you lost tranny
>>741101571How convenient that Werster plays slow to think things through online then misplays and seethes about bad RNG on the 3rd match, but plays at breakneck speed for 95% of the streak offline.
Why the fuck is RNG manipulation banned if you do it without tools? That's just playing the game better than other people.
>>741101705No he didnt gay tranny
>>741101739>it's le pressure to perform online!!>has been speedrunning and playing at fast speeds in front of a camera for years nowholy kek how can westertroons defend this??
>>741100708And that affects you how?
>>741101770Because it ruins the pointrng manipulation makes sense in the context of speedrunsnot when you are trying to beat the mechanics of the battle frontier random factory
>>741101770Emerald's RNG is broken and easy to manipulate. Unironically playing on an emulator with speedup is more legitimate than on cartridge.
>>741082672>prudeall women are whores. youre stupid af
>>741101770Speedrunners love their arbitrary rules.
>>741101770If there was a specific competitve category that allowed battle frontier factory runs with rng manipulations, this entire thread wouldn't exist.
>>741101770Manipulating the game seed to just give you the same draft and opponents for every battle just makes it an autowin for as long as you're willing to keep it up. It's like playing blackjack with a seethrough deck and bragging about a winstreak.
>>741101864>rng manipulation makes sense in the context of speedrunsWhich is what we're talking about it?
>>741101820I play Factory. A concept, I know.
All these people turn out to be cheaters which isn't surprising. There's very few who are actually skilled nowadays and they get next to no attention.
>>741101820I'm a tranny.
>>741101770Apparently playing the game better to make it less random in your favor is seen as a bad game to the Pokemon community because reasons.
>>741089390in action games TAS can be funny
>>741101864>Because it ruins the pointThe point is to go as fast as possible so no, it doesn't ruin the point.
>>741090123>>Thought the tools didn't count,kek, every time with cheaters
So basically a gay homosexual tranny faggot made an hour and a half video lying about werster cheating
>>741101770>That's just playing the game better than other people.You're talking about Pokemon speedrunners. These people are not good at video games, that's why they run a baby game like Pokemon.
>>741102123How many threads are you running defense in at this point? Are you on other websites as well?
>>741083081Bros the internet was so much better back then it makes me so angry how bad things have gotten
The only thing I've derived from this thread is that there is a very small community of people beating their heads against the battle factory for 16 years trying to outjerk each other in that RNG laden shitfest.
>>741102179Tranny
>>741101935The video in the OP by Magpie Labs (world record level player) is specifically about the battle frontier factory mode where you're given random pokemon and fight against random pokemon (from a list that has since then been documented)Kind of a roguelike mode. Werster talked about having a streak of 212 wins in a row in this mode which placed him 2nd best in the world, but he never submitted the run officially. People still knew about it existing, so when it came under scrutiny he admitted earlier today that he indeed relied on RNG manipulation ("accidental") to reach these numbers. The video went in great detail explaining how the odds were astronomically low even in perfect conditons, the discrepancy between the speed of his games online and offline to possibly make this streak possible, etc. None of this is conclusive, hard proof that he did anything, but painted a very obvious picture (99% ilkely he cheated)This would've been entirely fine if not for the reality that werster intentionally left details ambiguous regarding how he managed to achieve such a score, was known to antagonize battle frontier players prior etc.At least this is my understanding after reading the thread
>>741082672All Hololive whores belong to Flayon
>Werster talks shit about other runners using tools during speedruns and not counting it as cheating>these same people are sperging out over him doing RNG manip without tools and calling it cheatingL O L
>>741102197>waah waah i can't say niggers anymorecry more faggot
>>741102312you lost westertranny, you are being humiliatedyou lost
>>741102298Why didnt he just leave the game on for 30 mins doing nothing so the time went up
>>741102298>but he never submitted the run officially.So this is a nothingburger?>you cheated in this record you never decided to officially claim and therefore isn't on any leaderboard??? legitimately who the fuck cares?
>>741101770I don’t know about factory but in speedruns manip and manipless are separate categories. Like for HGSS werster does both, in manipless you just catch a strong Gyarados but in manip you win the lottery and catch Raikou with a master ball.
>>741102312Uh, no sweaty. Me using a computer program and online tools in my speedrun is not cheating but you playing the game in a way I don't like is.
>>741102393because he either didn't realize it would expose him or didn't think anyone else would notice
>>741079760Cheating sluts provide the best sex
>>741102416Gay faggot trannies care a lot but they kill themselves so it doesn't matter
>>741102298That's what I got too.Which, honestly, based. I wishI could make a shitpost strong enough that it sent a community of people I don't like chasing their tails for years trying to deboonk it
>>741102393the time isn't the problem, just a result.when you turn on the game the RNG is fixed and you can guarantee at least for a while. because of this, what if you happened into good RNG every time?
He should go full scorched earth, "I WAS cheating... to prove a point :^)," mode, for teh lulz
>>741102448Well anyone can do the same thing and just leave the game on for a while and no one would ever know or be able to prove shit.
>>741101770Speedrunners make up rules based on what their friends like. Look out for the words "basically an autoscroller" because those words almost always immediately precede a speedrun's rules being changed to skip a certain section due to "boredom."
>>741102424seed manip is explicitly banned from leaderboards, his problem is he thinks having a spreadsheet of possible sets should also be banned as if they're at all similar
>>741079760I remember this bastard changed the categories rules himself to always stay first
>>741102439Pokemon speedkeks unironically believe this.
>>741102416He treats it as legit by comparing his current non-manipped runs against it. He does the same with Sonic speedruns. He also mentioned it as his best PB done without calcs or manip.It's also an ego thing, he wants to establish himself as some Factory expert and shit on other Factory players on his streams. He hides behind 1st place to not attract more attention than he wants towards himself.
>>741102448He's not a fucking retard he knows that trannies analyze every frame before killing themselves
>>741101627Anime and Game Misty are basically different characters, to be fair.
>>741102612then why would he leave such an obvious clue if he knew this would happen?
>>741102681Despite two decades of speedrunning experience, he's retarded and didn't think anyone would find out.
>>741102393Either because he didn't actually want to cheat giving credit to the accidental rng manipulation argument, or that it simply didn't come to mind at the time. Cheaters often get caught on the smallest details like that>>741102416>So this is a nothingburger?Created false expectations regarding his skill level. Good players were already suspicious, not sure about people who lack the tism to actually delve into this shit seriously. The community was aware of this streak existing, but him remaining silent instead of saying outright that it was rng manipulated is the real problem. Especially considering the disdain he's shown to battle frontier players and the way they did things. I don't doubt that some spite motivated this video or investigation to be made, but in the end numbers didn't lie and exposed werster as someone who talked big and got humbled in return as a result.
>>741102681Because he's trolling since he talked about hating how little gay trannies use retard tools during runs many times before
>>741102609>It's also an ego thing, he wants to establish himself as some Factory expert and shit on other Factory players on his streams.That's why the video exists too, even the creator says so at the very end. If Werster wasn't so antagonistic towards them they would not have made it.This is a fight within the Pokemon speedrun community spilling over into general speedrunning culture because Werster was too stubborn to admit he was trolling while the others were too gotten to so they couldn't get over it.
>>741102524And those people wouldn't be scrutinized like this because there simply wouldn't be anything to go on. The ingame timer is the one big clue that exposes him, without it the video wouldn't exist and people probably wouldn't even doubt the streak at all, short of his past history of cheating in other games.
Why does this matter if werster didn’t even submit the run? He wasn’t cheating, he was just playing by his own rules which he does all the time.
>>741102841nigga...
>>741102841It made twanny angwy
>So as I said, I would consider this [rng manip attempts] to be a totally different thing to playing without what I would consider to be manips. So RNG manipulation. I would basically take that as a knowledge check ... " ... "and so I would consider my streaks outside of this 500 one as kinda like my PBs for my own personal progression. Which I do without any calculators, any spreadsheets, any manips. So that 104 [in lv 100 singles], that I think it was 95 I had in 50 singles, and then big 200 one in open doubles.
>>741102775>I was just pretending to cheat and then admit to cheating anywayPretending to be a retard to trick people into calling you one isn't the own you think it is.
>>741102841The real insidious thing about his behavior is the fact he finished 2nd place to try and avoid drama. He's a lying nigger faggot. Fuck werster
>>741102841He inflicted psychic damage to a group he had beef with and caused them to seethe for years before they figured it out.
>>741102952Spoken like a true tranny bot
>>741103007tranny>>>/vp/59358673
>>741103041Tranny
>>741084164Could you repeat that, but in a more petersonian sense?
>>741103067tranny
wester tranny btfoyou lost trannyyou are bad at pokemon KEK
>>741103256Tranny
>>741103439tranny
i think it's a bit silly to use tranny as an insult in a fight about speedrunning. like yea you're both trannies. it's a trans hobby.
>>741103557tranny
>>741103589ok
>>741103609Tranny
>>741103439>>741103528can you retards cut it out and go erp in your fucking dms or whatever?
>>741103423where's the claim?
>>741103528>>741103557>>741103589>>741103609>>741103637Tranny
>>741103637tranny
>>741103654tranny
>>741103635>>741103670>>741103703Tranny
Everyone ITT is a huge niggerfaggot
>>741103638>>741103726Tranny
thank for the laughs other tranny anon kek
>>741103770Tranny
Fucker Werster outsmarting the malding faggots by running tranny interdiction. How can these low IQ troons beat the mastertranny?
Im gonna instantly remake this thread and putted no transfobia allowed in the op
>>741103918tranny
>>741084168imagine not knowing what pokemon is LMAO
bump
>game has bad RNG system with consistent results if you do identical inputs>speedrunners want to do identical inputs for speed>naturally run into similar events, because they achieve a consistent input timingThis seems like a thing that is the fault of the system, and that any community that desires a random outcome would need to modify the game to be less consistent.I can get behind not doing things like>save here, hard reset, load holding R then back out of the room while buffering down+aas a form of restriction, but this seems like a bad set of rules.
So what I'm gathering from this thread is>Werster does a run on his own with his own rules as usual because he thinks the categories others typically play are fake and gay>other runners think his 'record' is now encroaching on their turf even though he never submitted it anywhere, the rulesets are different, and Werster isn't trying to be part of their crowd>make a video about him vaguely gesturing that he may in fact be a cheater>we are here, looking for fucks to give
>>741104163kek
>>741104358you made this post 50 times already tranny>Werster isn't trying to be part of their crowdhe is, that's why he malds about them every stream kek
>>741104358nice try werster but it won't work trannyhe's a cheater and poser who tried to claim legitimacy about his skill at the battle frontier factorywerster is a nigger cheater
>>741104358how many times are you gonna repost this bro we're on page 10 already
Tranny
tranny
>>741104402>>741104417>>741104428You bro's sound really mad. Can you show us where Werster touched you lmao
>>741104358>>741104508What actually happened is >garbage factory player>spend all day talking about how much better you are for not using spreadsheets to look up sets>edits save file or save scums to achieve a WR level run>gets caught>lies about some bs rng manip>never before seen manip done only offline and in world record speedrun pace >doubles downWerster is a cheating lying tranny who had his wife stolen by his brother LOL imagine
>>741104508tranny mad tranny tranny tranny
>>741104402You'd think he'd try to be an agent of change if that were the case, he really seems adamant about his point of view regarding ruling and categories.
>>741104508concession accepted werster (xhey/xhem)
NIGGER TRANNY
I like pokemon
>>741104508Werster is seething because factory players are the people he wish he could be. He is always going on about how much better he is for not using calcs and tools, gets caught using them on stream, has to fake a record run to try and show how much better he is and gets caught doing that too
Werster was right
>>741104661whoa werster that's a no no word
>>741101973damn fatality.... lay off the gamer grub...
>>741104696trvkewerster is a washed up troon
>>741104696>gets caught using them on streamsource?
>>741104696>Werster gets basic recall egregiously wrong during his live commentary, but will magically fix this after a suspiciously long pause where we see him look away from the game's console and towards his laptopHAHAHAHA
>>741104696No trannies! *Ø over a tranny*
