After playing for an hour:>The game has pretty graphics but run at much lower fps than expected on older hardware. Given that Jonathan Blow has built his whole brand and online persona on performance and optimisation, and made his own engine and language for 10 years, this was an unpleasant surprise. Hopefully there is still time to greatly test/improve performance.>Character controls are subpar, sluggish and inaccurate he didn't nail it in my opinion. Knowing how much of a perfectionist Blow is and given that the whole game is about moving characters around this is a pretty huge flaw that needs to be addressed urgently.>The tedium in his games keep increasing from Braid to The Witness to this game. Braid was really gentle and accessible game in that regard, also very innovative gameplay-wise. The witness was feeling much more like a puzzle-heavy type of game, but objectively is still a masterpiece on multiple levels (except for putting videos in it, which I still find incomprehensible to this day). With Order of the Sinking Star it feels like the tedium is reaching close to unbearable level; it will be a hard sell beyond the puzzle game enjoyer niche.>Another reserve is the "character abilities combination" part of the game, he hyped it pretty hard for years and now that i can play it and see where this is going i'm not super convinced that the character-abilities really mix/blend enough to enable new emergent gameplay. I guess it will depend a lot on the level design in the later part of the game.In conclusion I have some concern about the commercial success of the game. Performance and controls can still be saved though. I want this game to sell well so Blow can make more games but I am quite worry now, especially since he has sunk 30 millions dollars on this project and had to take a publisher.Please share your impressions.Previous thread:>>741145449>>741145449>>741145449
Eh. I played it for about half an hour and got tired of it. Idk it just feels like there's no point to the game, you just run around pushing boxes and shit.
Another issue:>Early in a stage you put the first piece is a game over position.>But you don't know about it since there are no feedback.>So you start pushing the other pieces for few minutes even though that first piece meant the game was already over.>Also rewinding means basically restarting the level in this case and you were just wasting your time all along with other pieces.
the queued animations really need changed.I get this is probably a technical thing because of his transaction system tying into the undo system, but it feels so bad, and sometimes fucks you up.
>>741175596>With Order of the Sinking Star it feels like the tedium is reaching close to unbearable levelWhat was tedius exactly? I thought the puzzles in the demo were 3x better than any puzzle found in the witness or the braid.
Jonathan Blow is gay, right?
>>741175596>>Character controls are subpar, sluggish and inaccurate he didn't nail it in my opinion. Knowing how much of a perfectionist Blow is and given that the whole game is about moving characters around this is a pretty huge flaw that needs to be addressed urgently.it has been like this since 5 years ago when he started demoing the game on game dev streams, it's not going to change
>>741175913Maybe I missed something, but it seems like you can't even jump on shit this time.
>>741177163i dont know, but he's pretty hot. if he was a liberal and not an alt right chud i think id fall in love with him
So this is how jblow will be remembered, as a racist nazi who made a boring puzzle game.
>>741177160I get OP is coming from, but all of that "tedium" is both inherent to the genre and is inherited from the originals.
>>741177163He married his hot as tits salsa dance instructor. She's a solid 9/10.
>>741177452Saucy.
i just want this shit to get shipped so he can finally start working on mystery game #4 that's NOT a shitty puzzle game.
>>741177163Nah I vaguely recall it came up that he stuck around the Bay Area for like a year longer than he intended to after he thought it had gone to complete shit simply because he hooked up and was a dating some woman he liked. He's just one of those nerds who keeps his private life mostly private and only occasionally lets something slip. (like how he got his first AR15 shortly after the BLM rioting started)
>>741175913You tell 'em Soulja BoyIncidentally, since I posted it just after the old thread was abandoned, are there any areas of the map I missed? I think I explored just about everything I could
Honestly probably the first puzzle game that's interested me in ages just for being one complete big world sectioned off into areas. Doesn't hurt that i'm interested in the source code which is, barring assets, going to be available later iirc.
>>741177043I'm afraid there is no beating the original.
>>741177541>>741177452But the way he talks is so homo-coded
>>741177658KEKKKK.god damn the new one is so much better. glad jon can listen to criticism. i hope his game succeeds so his brain doesnt break
just beat the west side/promiseeasily the best part of the game, very cool and comfy, he should just make that the entire game because it's very different from the others
>>741177698living in san fran for decades will do that to anyone
>>741177851There will also be Promise 2 and 3. And if you like these big puzzle map areas, you'll like Skipping Stones to Lonely homes 1 and 2, but those won't be in the demo.
>>741176702imagine getting filtered by a sokoban tutorial, holy shit dude
>>741175596ESL
This one is filtering me. I understand the concept behind it but how am I supposed to know where the crystals will align besides trial and error?
The rhythm and the sounds really aren't helping.>>741178631Look closer at the island shape. Try to filter out the unnecessary tiles. It's just a 3 wide line a few bends.
>>741178631You can always rely on the cardinal lines, just try and get the longest distances possible while keeping the mirror manoeuvrable
>>741177948speaking of which, i've never seen a woman play a sokoban game ever kek
Ironically, I feel like this game would do well in the mobile casual puzzle game market.
>press R to restart (try it!)
Is this game like Little Magic?
>that priestess + warrior tutorial sloglate game is probably mind-numbing
>>741179279On mobile, games are just a pretext so show ads or sell fake in-game currencies.Nobody buy games on mobile except maybe minecraft to keep ipad kids entertained during a long flight.
I found the game good, fun and charming so far
>>741179069>>741178809Thanks, I figured it out. For some reason I was trying to get a crystal to be adjacent to the island instead of just teleporting the clone guy directly there.
>>741180243having a blast huh?
>>741180358At least three quarters of a full blast
who needs solving puzzles when you can spam gems
So is this demo a fraction of the actual game? I might wait, always like playing the full experience front to backtho I'm fully expecting it to filter me
What have i done.
>>741180578Yes, though from what I understand you can continue from where you left off.
>>741180784ooh hmm tempting
>>741180707
>>741180707okay I'll say it I think the graphics look good
>>741177541>he got his first AR15 shortly after the BLMracist chud he is, isn't?
Is it true, as one Anon said, that the demo might be around 50 hours long?If so, then the developers have made a huge mistake. Fifty hours is more than 50% of people are willing to spend on a puzzle game, so a lot of people will be satisfied with the demo and won’t buy the full game.
>>741181025it's bullshit and blowjob is smoking crack10 hours max for full 110 levels of the demo
>>741177163>>741177698I met Blow at GDC once. He was really shy. and kept laughing when I asked for a photo.
>>741181360>>741177698>>741177163forgot photo
>>741180887They serve their purpose well. I have no idea how so many people here are having performance issues though
>>741181018Not racist but definitely got a bit interested in guns after those riots. (like a lot of lefties were)Chud i'd say in a narrow sense of the word in that even early on he used to ban people for talking shit about SpaceX specifically (rather than Musk) because he considered it anti-american to be against the only real improvement for US space capabilities.IIRC he also thinks SF wokes were ruining Berkley his alma mater, that the anti-business leftists devastated San Francisco in the last years he was there with boarded up sidewalks and he mocked gamedev twitter specifically saying all they did was whine about the work and pile-on newcomers on the indie scene who actually did work and post progress regularly. That's all paraphrased from memory mind you so it might be slightly off. >>741181025Probably depends on how fast you solve puzzles. I get the impression that those who are quick already know the solutions to early areas from the games they're based on.
>>741179169It's not a very popular genre in general. Women only play games with mass popularity or otherwise stick to their pink painted "cozy games" farmville and walking sim corner.
>>741181935Shit and horror games. But really horror game and walking sim are kind of redundant.
>>741181454FPS is low on my ancient machine but it's very stable which is a good sign.
If this game is a #4 to my top 3 of Baba Is You, Stephen's Sausage Roll, and Paquerette Down the Bunburrows I will consider it a resounding success.
>typical character with different abilities section>mirror game I already played this yeargem puzzle on the left is the only section that felt fresh and original
>>741175596what will be the price of the full game?this will probably determines its fate
>>741175913
>>741182656paths will merge later into metapuzzles so the individual ones are essentially tutorials, I feel it might get obnoxious though
>>741177452>Blow is marriedSince when?I assumed he was a 50yo incel based on the shit he said.
:D
>>741183753i don't believe he is married too
>>741179169Well? This is the top OotSS streamer right now. And she's hopeless at the game kekhttps://www.twitch.tv/lullabytes_
>>741182498>Paquerette Down the BunburrowsYou were doing so well until bringing up this trooncore shit.
oops
>>741184079Holy based
>>741183842Caring about what is "troon" is extremely weenie shit
>>741175596>spend over a decade making your own programming language for your game>the game runs like shit
>>741175596runs fine on my GTX 970 on performance modebut then again I don't have a framerate counter in the corner of my screen that I cannot stop impulsively looking at while playing, like many PC weirdos seem to do
>>741184210>weenie I love it when discord trannies wring their little brains trying to avoid using any disallowed words as insults
>>741184079
>>741184216Compile autism intensifies>ok cool, but how does the game runGame? Run? How does that relate to compiling? What a silly thing to care about.
The gem area is insane wtf, feels like a different game >>741184210Kiss yourself faggot
>>741184483
>>741175596>>Another reserve is the "character abilities combination" part of the game, he hyped it pretty hard for years and now that i can play it and see where this is going i'm not super convinced that the character-abilities really mix/blend enough to enable new emergent gameplay. I guess it will depend a lot on the level design in the later part of the game.how do you think this is a fair insight one hour in
Yeah I'm just gonna say it now. Blow did it again. Man just knows puzzle kino I guess.
the mirror scraping and reset thump are extremely satisfying
>>741184912nah, it would have been complete dogshit if not for the west area
>>741185351Wanna know satisfying? Push a mirror into the water and repeatedly jump on it with fast forward on
>>741183842Troons occasionally make something good, what do you want from me faggot? I don't go to their discord or what have you. Isn't that good enough?
>>741184483>Poole's Closed
>>741175596his best game yet so farfirst time he has bothered to write an actual story/dialog as well. Nice atmosphere, puzzles are well balanced.
>>741177452wrong. he's an incel.
the people complaining about convinced me to make sure my game only works with a more recent version of vulkan so poor people trying to play on a gpu older than 6 years just can't play at all poor people fucking suck
>>741186241>first time he has bothered to write an actual story/dialog as well.
>>741186359my GPU is 10 years old and it worksthere's always a browner third worlder out there so regardless of what you do you'll always some motherfuck trying to play games on his grandma's calculator
>>741186359just make vr gamespoorfag filtering comes as a baseline here
>>741186359it runs like 100 fps on 4k quality on 3080its not particularly well optimized game at this point for the visual quality, but it might change at launch
>>741179169My sister 100%'d Baba, so there.
32 solved in 2h30 so far. Just finished the gem area, which was peak.This demo is the best game I've played this year so far. Jon Blow still got it.
>>741177657That's pretty common for these games nowadays.A Good Snowman Is Hard To BuildA Monster's ExpeditionStephen's Sausage RollIsles of Sea and SkyGentoo Rescue (kind of)
im not smart enough for this type of game. baba is you filtered me pretty much straight out of the tutorial.
>>741177657im fairly sure its going to be the engine without gameplayprobably not even the editor
this game sure had funny writers
Felt a bit too unpolished and rushed for a proper demo.Blow must be feeling the time and money constraints
Is it possible to brick The Promise? I think I may have made it impossible to get the last gem a long time ago and I'm not really excited at the prospect of holding undo or restarting entirely.
>>741189808>Is it possible to brick The Promise?That area's entire gimmick feels like it has millions of possible softlocks and you only realize you fucked up hundreds of moves too late
who's john blow? the fez guy?
This guy sure paid for a lot of shills for his Newgrounds tier flash game huh
>>741189808Getting last gems felt very gimmicky with spamming displacement
>>741184912There aren't many original puzzles in the demo. They are mostly copies of optimized remakes of the puzzles from the original games.
>>741189673It is rushed. They started recording voice lines 5 days before the demo released.
Okay this game is cool, I want it. I read the description again and found out it's one of those wretched "timed' demos where you won't be able to play it after June 22nd. Those things suck but hopefully someone makes a trainer for it or something.
the game itself is cool so far. i just have the mirror area left.the voice acting and writing is pretty clearly rushed which is crazy considering he's been working on this for 10 years. i really hope they're able to pull it together by the end of the year or else i really think he ought to delay this, and put more time into it. because it's going to be hard for the vast majority of people to look past it and is going to tank the whole experience.
stuck on this puzzlei know i need more guys, but it's getting harder and harder to fit them on
>>741189673yeah I saw some weird stuff honestly seems more like a beta test
>>741194184You're meant to populate the mirror island first before the other island baka shinki
>>741194106He just said on his stream right now that they can't finish recording dialog because he's not finished writing the story yet. Yes, really.>>741193820Yep not coming out this year
I know a lot of these lines are voiced by AI, but some of these voices sounded familiar. Do we know who the actors are, or is there a credits menu in the game that I didn't notice
Man, I just want to solve puzzles
>>741194502I'm also watching the stream and he mentioned the full demo altogether is about 10% of of the full game. He recorded 10% of all the required VA in like a weekend. If he literally only records VA on weekends, he's done in 10 weeks. You're retarded.
Can someone give me /v/ lore of this game? It looks like generic block pushing game.
>>741194889do you like puzzles?ootss is the game for u
>>741194823The % is based on 30 second levels dumbass. And he's not finished writing the story so how could he record it
>>741194823does that really sound like the right way to record voice acting for a game youve spent 10 years on? he can certainly do that and get it out on time but SHOULD he? i mean look at the results of just that 10%, it's pretty freaking bad. not as bad as the trailer but yikes.
>>741194994you dont want to re-record or bring actors to a studio multiple times, often they charge based on half a day sessionsso VA is done after the game is complete, the script is complete and nothing is going to be changed
>>741194617Pretty sure the red guy is Troy Baker, that one stuck out.
>>741194985>The % is based on 30 second levels dumbassThe levels get more involved down the line, retard.>And he's not finished writing the story so how could he record itHe has a majority of the year to finish the story. Recording all the VA will take two weeks at most and implementing it will take 2 days. See: The demo.>>741194994There's more to making games than VA, anon.
>>741195178there is certainly more to making games than VA, but this is a heavily story based game, where the characters are constantly talking to each other. it is like 50% of the experience of playing this game, so it should actually be a pretty high priority for it not to be dogshit.
>>741195352>but this is a heavily story based game, where the characters are constantly talking to each other. it is like 50% of the experience of playing this gameOverplayed your hand, mr ragebaiter
>>741175596there's more tedium than in his other games, sure, but that's just a consequence of being a sokoban-like. In terms of sokoban-likes I'd say it's probably the least tedious out there just because of blow's very intuition-based approach puzzle design. Maybe I just think similarly to him in some way but there's a lot more time having some idea what needs to happen and actually solving the puzzle and less aimlessly trying to find some framework to solve it than with say, baba
>>741195138Troy Baker?! I was thinking the red guy sounded like the English VA for Sterk from the Arland games.
>>741194889It's made by the guy who made The Witness, a highly acclaimed and pretty great puzzle game, and Brain, a highly acclaimed and alright puzzle game, so the expectations are high, especially since it took 10 years to make. It also seems to tie into the secret ending of The Witness.
>>741194889it's a block pusher with a bunch of wacky gimmicks made by one of the best modern puzzle game devs, I'd say to just try it and see how it feels since I started enjoying myself pretty quickly
west side feels quite unique and fresh, I hope the rest of the game is more like it too because the other sides feel too vanilla and familiar
>>741195886>that spoilerQuick rundown?
>>741184079we need to get our shit togethet
>>741196375If I understand correctly, there is a group of people who make worlds for the fun of it. That's what the island of The Witness is. An art project. And the secret ending is you entering a canon dev room. It has the same style and spirograph symbology as this game's into area.
>100 viewers on twitchuh oh
30MILLION DOLLARS WASTED
>>741196496You mean this symbol, right?I thought you were talking the ending-ending with the video of the guy stumbling around an apartment.But nah, Blow's been thinking about this ten years in advance. Neato.
It's a steaming pile of shit. Hope it flops big time.
should I be killing these two at the start? it'd be convenient to keep one alive to handle the others but it doesn't seem possible
>>741197050You'll be killing them all in pairs, you've got the right opening move.
>>741197050You have no reason to keep them alive. But you also don't outright need to kill them all.
>>741197129alright, just wanted to be sure I wasn't on a wild goose chase progressing with them dead
>>741189808Probably. I did something similar and only had one gem underground left, but the power of pushing gems around with the rod worked after 30 minutes. Someone said the restart point is when you get the rod, so worst case you have to do it from there, everything until that point probably can't be a softlock.
>>741189808I didn't have to restart at all, nor did I bother thinking too hard about locks, with the rod I just spammed along the green tunnel until I could get the gem.
I enjoyed the promise, the rest was boring. Maybe 10 hours in you get to start using all the abilities and puzzles start to get a little more free-form, but I get the feeling Blow doesn't like the many solutions approach. All of the story stuff is tedious and awful, if you can start overlapping voice lines in the first 2 minutes of gameplay, you have added too much bullshit. I don't know if I'll bother with the full game. I didn't last long with the witness, this game feels slightly less pretentious but I still feel like there's going to be nothing keeping me playing through the easy puzzles.
>>741175596>order of the stinking saar
I was wondering where you see solved puzzle count and its in the load a campaign selection.
>>741197823get mogged
>>741197050>>741197129Oh actually I just remembered I didn't kill the last pair, didn't mean to mislead.
>>741197273I eventually got my gems, I had a cool moment of clarity when I realized I could flush any row or column by repeatedly placing a gem and then pushing it. If this game's got more stuff like The Promise, it's gonna be an all-timer (though I don't know how much is original and how much comes from Promesst).
>>741197823>>741197981There are 5 puzzles at the moment, btw. You are both missing 1.
All I have left is the mirror isles and I kinda hate them. help me :(
>>741198095this one is included in that I guess but I dont see how its doable
>>741198110nevermind i'm an actual fucking genius
>>741198158that one was fun. I assume you've made some headway, so what's the biggest point of frustration? I can try to give a hint
How many levels are there? I did 72 and I have no idea what I missed. Anyway, the game is boring and I don't like that there wasn't a single level in the whole demo that uses the 3D. Everything could have easily been done in 2D and it would have been easier to see what the fuck is going on. West was the most interesting, but it seemed really easy to just softlock yourself. The beams are also a visual clusterfuck.
>>741198564Wait, I forgot there was one thing I found that uses 3D. The mirrors can teleport the blocks while it's in the water but none of the levels use it.
>>741198564I found 75 but there could be more.>there wasn't a single level in the whole demo that uses the 3DMany of the levels at the beginning are adapted from 2D puzzlescript games
>>741198660Yea... I played those games. They weren't even that good to begin with not sure why he wanted to use those mechanics. Sokoban games that only use 1x1 cube shaped objects are just not interesting anymore.
>>741198660Do you have to finish every section and solve the riddle-panel thingy to access this area?I have 72 solved puzzles and not sure how to progress beyond this point
>>741198765the one in front of the character requires the crystal thats in the water
>>741198765You have enough to reach the 2 levels in the top right. Remember you can reset the crystal position by using the tile with the 4 prongs near the middle of the level.
Why is it tagged LeGBiTers?
>>741198765If you want a hintInvestigate the square thats between the two golden freezers right in the middle
>>741198832This game has a rabid hate following on sites like Reddit/Bluesky/Resetera because the developer isn't woke
weird the game doesnt have pre-orders ready for the demopeople would go from completing the demo to buying it
>>741198919Games require a specific release date to allow for preorders, something blow is highly allergic to.
>>741198957He committed to 2026, so one could say it releases same date as gta6 and people would be happy.
>>741196972You mean the BP ending featuring the piss bottle
>>741198919The demo is horrible. This game is cooked. I loved The Witness but this game just does nothing new. Leaf's Odyssey, Can of Wormholes, A Monster's Expedition, Bana, etc. all just completely BTFO anything this game does. And this game is going to have to sell so many copies to break even with these graphics, scope, and voice acting. There's no shot.
>>741175596>lgbt tagoh well
Pretty comfy game. Gonna be really sad when the demo gets pulled since I don't get a lot of free time to play all 100 levels or whatever in my busy schedule. Who knows when that guy is ever going to release the full game. So hopefully modern figure out a way to let us play indefinitely.
>>741199173>released first = betterretard
>>741199173I played neither the Witness nor more than 20 minutes of Braid, but I'm liking this. Granted this is the first puzzle game I have a fair chance lol. I have seriously been sleeping on the puzzle genre, so I wonder what are some other games I should check out.
>>741197981You talk like a faggot
>>741199361Ironically mog is an aesthetically displeasing word. Other words mog it.
Really miss the fast and snappy movement of Void Stranger.
>>741198809>>741198815>>741198845alright I got it, cheersI'm assuming the west area counts as the 75th puzzle?
>>741199573this puzzle took me uncomfy amount of time
>>741198564>Everything could have easily been done in 2DIt was, originally. What's in the demo at the moment is a recreation/adaptation of the original puzzles. This is basically the intro, and not even all of it since Promesst 2, Heroes of Sokoban 3, and Skipping Stones to Lonely homes are missing. Only Mirror Isles has new puzzles, probably due to being the smallest of the originals.
>>741199602>I'm assuming the west area counts as the 75th puzzle?yes, good job.
>>741199602wrong pic I must be tired
Has anyone tried to use Cheat Engine to go around the demo blocks? Is the rest of the map and puzzles deleted?
>>741199178That's just tag trolling.
Tif is annoying. Sex, but also annoying.
>>741175913It's a game for people who smoke, or people who drink. Like if you drink beer and you get drunk, or if you smoke weed and you get high.
>>741199310He listed some decent ones. I recommend Stephen's Sausage Roll, Baba is You, Paquerette Down the Bunburrows, Antichamber, Fez, Lingo, Lingo 2, Linelith, Return of the Obra Dinn, Loophole
>>741199779I quickly get bored and quit whatever I'm playing when drunk especially if it requires any attention, only multiplayer games work because friends can carry me while I spaz out.
>>741199704oh nice dl'ing the demo thenhope the full game is good
the games audio keeps randomly cutting out for me, like it will work fine than after like 5 or 10 minutes it just mutes and won't turn back on until i reset the game. Anybody have any ideas how to fix it?
I'll admit the dialogue sometimes worked for me.>introduce the new hero, who's mute>next few levels are just her + one other guy>all of them start treating it like a therapy sessionMade me smirk.
>>741199936The one with the thief was my favorite, literally dragging her along while chatting
>>741199936The dialogue was terrible during the intro because you go through the levels faster than the audio plays, but in the heroes/mirror areas it was well timed and added to the experience similar to The Witness' audio logs. The writing was cringe half the time though. The mirror man's character was interesting but I found the asmr therapy woman voice unsettling.
>>741199310fez, return of the obra dinn, antichamber, chants of sennaar, recursed, and lorelei and the laser eyes are some similarly approachable puzzle games, but neither have very much in common. There's also blow's other titles braid and the witness, the witness is one of my favorite games of all time so it's an easy recommendation. If you want more grid based stuff can of wormholes, stephen's sausage roll, english country tune, patrick's parabox, void stranger, and baba is you are all good games, though most are pretty brutal and baba is you has a nearly inverse design philosophy in how it handles puzzles (blow games, including this one, tend to have a strong focus on presenting mechanics intuitively and iterating on that intuitive understanding while baba revels in giving you incomplete information, misleading you, and forcing you to experiment to figure out what's going on pretty frequently)
>>741183819>click on OotSS tag: 6 streams in total, 4 with single digit viewersblow bros i'm very worry
>>741200134to be fair it's not a good time for a lot of people right now and puzzle games don't often make for the best streaming fodder
>>741200058>therapy woman voice unsettling.She's probably a demonThe whole mirror island zone felt cringe to me because it seemed to listen to Jon personal therapyI also find that stanlay parable narrator distracting
>>741200134chart traders how are we looking? bullish? bearish?
I like how the game's fast travel is you go into the map like joey
>>741200246Pretty good for a 4-6 hour long puzzle game demo.
>>741186359>vilipend poorly optimized games for more than a decade>your game with late 2000's graphic can't run on 10yo hardwarehopefully puzzle enjoyer niche all own RTX 40xx/50xx
>>741200246I have faith the bear will win the war.The battle though? Hard to say.
so why was skipping stones to lonely homes cut from the demo?and do we know what's going to be available for phase 2?
huh the camera is pretty close and theres not that much on screen why does it run bad?
>>741199770Her handjobs are probably s-tier, all that time grabbing and jerking stuff towards her
>>741177698you have just been taught to hate cityoids like a good goy
>>741200582Blow keeps saying volumetrics, but who knows.
>>741200565>so why was skipping stones to lonely homes cut from the demo?Probably to leave one of the starter areas for the full game.>and do we know what's going to be available for phase 2?It says so in the game. The remaining 35 puzzles, some in the overlap area between north and east.
>>741186191lul
>>741179169Pushing things around is mens work.
>>741199901try to restart the game after like 5 or 10 minutes, hope this helps.
>>741199173>Banawhat game is this? i cant find anything by searching
>>741200705Im only hungry for west desu
Nice sokoban so far but the story and dialogue is shit. I don't care about this at all.
>Level becomes bricked if a clone diesThat's unfortunate. I was hoping for a puzzle that would require sacrifice.
>>741199173I didn't care for witness but this seems cool.
do the math, that's how small the demo penis really is
>>741201707he meant baba is you
>>741201910benis
>>741201910The Obelisk of Knowledge...
>>741198564Its easy to softlock myself if you just fuck around and not actively trying to solve the puzzle. I misunderstood how red beam works and solved 1 underground mini puzzle with jank, it was the only time I was softlocking myself
>>741201910And that's just the ground level. There are also the above and below.
>>741202027sshhhhhhh
>>741175596the best way to describe the performance would be: it's a debug build with tons of logs being printed
>>741202331he's probably gathering all sorts of logs and telemetry and watching all your embarrassing replays
>I'm not sure I can do this>We will get through>I'm not sure I want to get through>She made us do this>Shut your mouthSchizo kino.
something about the game's presentation feels off to me.like the way the level access runes are just plastered on the floor in an unassuming way in the overworld looks very work in progress or like I'm in a debug level.and then within the levels (I went with hearty haulers or what it's called first), the characters start talking to each other as soon as the level starts, but I often don't even see who they're talking to until the responding character says their voice line, and that's a problem when the combination of the two characters you're controlling changes every level. idk, it might sound like I'm just retarded but I feel there's legitimately something wrong with the game's legibility. and then on top of that the voice acting isn't doing it for me either, it sounds like the monologues of passages being read from the witness, except it's meant to be dialogue so the delivery feels mismatched. the actual game is fun so far though, but idk it feels strange. also pressing random buttons on my controllers makes the characters skip around in weird ways.
>>741202919>Make sure the game babbles as much monologues as possible during the gameplay phases so that you can uphold your "cut scenes are bad" standpoint.this is so comical
>>741202373that would break multiple laws in EU by the way
Listening to a podcast about the development of this game>they spent around 30 millions dollars on the development over 10 years
Braid was made for 220k
not even a single thread on r/puzzles and no one is talking about it on thinky discords where all the sokoban devs hang out (the ones who made the original games are banning it)never been more blowver
>>741203408>(the ones who made the original games are banning it)Well there is your reason why.
>>741201910I just noticed how hard he's scamming people with this zoom out, it's infinite tiling so it's actually only half this size.
>>741203903Not really. That's still big.
>>741203903isn't the map incomplete though?
I really like it but think I'll won't play any more of the demo. Feels like a waste when the playtime won't be tracked in the full release.
>>741204425>actually giving a fuck about playtimeyou sound like a fag
>>741203998benis...
>>741175596With all the respect that I can possibly show in a mongolian anime forum, the game felt like a chore to me and wasn't that interesting from what I've played in the demo in ~6 hours. Got spoiled a little bit, if you can call it that, and went west first as many suggested in previous threads. I was still unimpressed by the experience. I've played puzzle games and sokobans here and there, it's not one of my top genres but I have some experience finishing this type of game. (Animal Well, Baba Is You, La-Mulana, Paquerette Down The Bunburrows, Theta And Paralldox, Treasure 'n Trio, Tunic, Void Stranger, etc.) One constant among all the titles I mentioned is that I could run them on poorfag machines, and yet they would still have a stronger artistic direction/presentation than Order of The Sinking Star. It's commendable that Jonathan Blow built the engine from scratch and worked on the game for quite some time, but from a gamer perspective playing the demo, all of this prior marketing just falls flat. People who've played the game will know what
small tip for this one? i feel like i'm missing something
I didnt know this game was made by combining 4 small different free games, I guess "made by Johnatan Blow" sells better than "made on the shoulders of 4 literally who games"
>>741204425didn't he explicitly said that progression from the demo will be preserved? the time limit on the demo is really bad though
>>741205021okay i figured it outi thought the missing bridge tile is a red herring
>>7412050211. You need to get the mirror on the other island.2. Isn't that a conveniently placed tile of land between the islands?3. You need to build a bridge for the mirror.Solution: Sink the first crystal between the other island and the single tile of land, then teleport onto it. Push one of the crystals towards the mirror to finish the bridge. Mirror the last crystal onto the starting island and sink it behind the mirror so that you can push it.
It's growing on me. I did the mirror isles section first and was about to drop the game because of all the gay dialogue and same-y levels but then I went to the heroes section and there it was fine and made the characters feel fun. A bit Joss Whedon-esque at times but it didn't feel like the usual Jon Blow fart huffing.
>>741205102I'm talking about the time that Steam tracks. Like if you play 5 hours now you have 5 less hours on the full game, so it's wasted in that sense
>>741205630wasted on what? do you collect playtime?
>>741201910192 map grids i see, 12x1923 look like ocean or clouds, so we can subtract those. I suppose its possible you might activate mechanics later that raise tiles from the sea, or find a way to reveal whats under the clouds but who knows.169 maps. Looks like you circled 6.So you get to play 3.5% of the game in the demo.Theres also the possibility the map expands as you reach the edges like how elden ring did after you leave the first region. This picture also looks cut off with western tiles, as well as the cloud tiles which suggest each should be a + sign. The lower right land also suggests its curved and connects to more outwards down or right.I will play the demo tomorrow
>>741189808I think I did and had to reset. Luckily the level has a checkpoint on right before getting the rod and I was able to get everything in like a couple of minutes
>>741205719If I don't see how much time I've played a game it just feels like I didn't play it, so it's wasted
>>741205782It's actually 10x12. It loops.
>>741206006the point of games is the fun you have from playing them
>>741205719ah I see what you mean now, makes sense
>>741203408He has only himself to blame for being anti-wokeShould gone full anti-woke and make all his characters hot and not black
>>741206080 meant for >>741205630
>>741206056I realize it's autistic but it's very important to me, can't do anything about it it just feels wrong when it's not there...
Gave it an hour of my time despite hating sokoban because I was somewhat interested in its development history. A few things surprised me:1. The game runs poorly. I'm running a 1080 with a 4k monitor so most games with any fidelity struggle but Blow harps about optimization and the game isn't very visually complex so I wasn't expecting to get sub 30 fps drops.2. The dialogue pacing is horrible. I was constantly getting dialogue interrupted by solving puzzles too fast and I wasn't even using the run button. I only tried the north path which has 3 characters so that might be why but you'd think they would've tried a little harder. Constantly skipping through dialogue didn't really bother me though because...3. The dialogue sucks. Again, only tried the one route, but the overworld character was annoying too so I assume its all as bad. It's either "huh? what's going on? giant crystals, this is crazy" or something snarky.Anyways that's what stood out to me. I'm sure people who like sokobans will probably like it but that's a pretty niche demographic so I think JBlow is in trouble. I'd probably still play it if it was way shorter but I'm really not interested in push shit around 1000 times.
>>741175596A rare honest opinion about a game in /v.I hope this game sells well, depiste Jonathan Blow being a egocentrical autist, but he has good ideas.
>>741175596How the fuck he spent 30 million in a fucking Sokoban?
>>741206671You actually read the OP?It's full of low iq comments
>>741206715By developing it for 10 years
>>741206006anon..
>>741206125If he had made his characters attractive and written something that wasn't pretentious trite, his game might've sold slightly better.And by "slightly", I mean I might have bought a copy.
>>741206824>(a) have ball>(b) ball gets taken away and put behind wall>(c) wall gets pushed towards ball>(d) ball squashedI genuinely don't get what this is trying to convey. What kind of ball becomes completely flat when you apply pressure to it? Or is there a trapdoor on the floor that you don't see?
>>741206125He already made the wizard white. He was black in all previous material.
i just want more extremely hard levelsthis filler shit is just boringif i could delete the all the 3nigs+priest and the mirror schizo levels and replace them with more west, i would have done it
>>741206125
>>741175596Test
>>741206763Performance issues seems to come up a lot, maybe don't advertise yourself as this superior programmer if your game gonna run like shit, so much for shitting on unity and unreal...The controls could be improved, it's a sokoban game goddamnit why so much inertia and sluggishness? How you can fail this bad at making characters move accurately on grid? I guess dev gonna dev and discard the constructive feedbacks while wondering why their games aren't selling well.
The number refer to playable characters, right? How console nigs/controller players gonna figure that out?
>>741207446I think they're probably coordinates.
>>741207445>why so much inertia and sluggishness?cinematic!>How you can fail this bad at making characters move accurately on grid?handcrafted btw>Performance issues seems to come up a lot, maybe don't advertise yourself as this superior programmer if your game gonna run like shit, so much for shitting on unity and unreal...the goal was always to create a language blowjob is going to enjoy using himself, not good performance.this is why random retards who drool over that trash and begging to be allowed into the beta are braindead
>>741207251If west is the starting difficulty of that area, I think it's going to quickly devolve into really tedious shit where you get softlocked 30 minutes ago all the time.
>>741207497>>741201910>>741207446what is at x=69, y=104?still kinda too obvious
>>741207445I played the demo on 3080 at 4k, didnt have much issues. On the overworld when you zoom out to see entire map the fps goes from 100 to 60 ish but the effect is impressive for how much you see.Didnt find controls bad, they are as good as I would expect.
how do i get this last one
>>741207679all 3 have to die at the same time
>>741175596>game world stages can't be resetHolly shit that change-clothing level in the game world was so easy yet annoying as fuck for no reason, I thought that's what John was advocating against when he was playing other puzzle games and yet he does it himself too. Also how can you make a game with so many literal arrows everywhere to point at things while you shit on Ubisoft games all the time.
>>741207679i've been getting filtered by this shit for the past 15 minutes as well
>>741207698are these the correct locations for the central two? i can get one to either one but not the other once the crystal is down there.
>>741207748
What is the symbolism of red?
>>741207589snappiness is sokoban 101
>>741207858thank you i am silly
>>741207794The level layout is the hint. When solving a puzzle always asses the possible moves first.Look at the middle goblin for example, just from his position you can tell that you can only move him vertically and to the left, the right move is impossible.All three need to die at the same time, so that basically tell you that he need to move last.The first goblin is locked, so the only one left is the right one. What you have to do is basically trivial and that point.
>>741181025You're probably right. Haven't like 50% of baba is you players not even finished the first world?
>>741207882We just don't know yet.
>>741207641maybe it's a FPS / Hz mismatch causing the issue?
>>741208170>>741207882Most likely its the place where you switch the character once you unlock more.
>>741207641>Didnt find controls bad, they are as good as I would expect.do you play with keyboard or game pad ? (if so which one?)
>>741208273kb
>>741207742>yet he does it himself too.First time?
CUHHHHRIIINGE!!
Anyone datamined the game yet?
>>741208273OP here, for the record I move my characters with left analog stick of the Sony PlayStation DUALSHOCK 4 (CUH-ZCT2G), very good condition no drift, the amount of time the character goes astray is 5 to 10 times per level.
>>741207748go down first, not left
He spent 10 years making an engine just to release a sokoban that runs like shit?
huh?
>>741209481>>741202112
>>741207742>game world stages can't be resetThey literally can, retard. It just not done by pressing select. There is an in game statue button you go and press to reset.
>the supposed professional indie game developer >uses keycodes instead of scancodes what a LARPer
>>741209661audio is also a third party libraryhe is a hack
>>741209708you mean like all audio in every single AAA game ever made?
>Built 15 June 2026, 16:16:09 from r60029 using compiler beta 0.2.29 [r26246]The game was compiled literally 40 mintues before the release on steam.
>>741209793>AAA poop their pants too!This is an argument how?
>>741175596He better optimize it and then sell it under every platform under the sun. Puzzle games benefit from accessibility. You should be able to run this game off your fridge.
>>741209891lol
>>741209854I think you just fundamentally misunderstand game audio. It's always just 3rd party libraries. Even most music is made from sample libraries like refx nexus, omnisphere, uvi falcon, kontakt libs...
>>741209891It's already coming to Switch, so it'll probably come to everything else, too.
>>741209891switch is all he needs.puzzle games don't do well on snoystation or xbox
>>741209985>I think you just fundamentally misunderstand game audioI wrote my own audio engine, including resamplers and shit.>It's always just 3rd party libraries.Yeah, if you are a retard and don't care about latency, performance and basically not doing anything interesting what-so-ever.>Even most music is made from sample libraries like refx nexus, omnisphere, uvi falcon, kontakt libs...Completely irrelevant. Music is "prebaked". And nobody uses omnisphere these days btw.
>>741210047>puzzle games don't do well on snoystation or xboxnah, blowjob is just seething they didn't push braid remaster in the store algo, so now he has a grudge
>>741207742Go to the first tile (picrel) before the entrance of the in-world stage and press the button to reset.>>741209594Why? why removing the reset button? what's the point of having two ways of doing the exact same thing and disable the one you already learned? It's so retarded, even shitty games from shitty game design schools don't do this type of shit.
>>741210174ball and gun normalfags do not care about block pushing or puzzles.Baba Is You sold the most on PC, and then switch by a lesser margin
>>741210243Why? why removing the reset button?Because there can be more than one "puzzle" per screen. Being able to choose exactly what you want to reset is better. The overworld puzzles aren't just one and done like the levels.
>>741210107>And nobody uses omnisphere these days btw.what do people use then?
>>741210343lmao you reset the one you are currently on/in, holly shit dude don't overcomplicate such basic stuff
>>741210397For "old-school" sampled libraries it's basically solely kontakt. Physically modelled stuff, which are very popular these days, are almost always standalone vsts.
>>741210556>Physically modelled stuff, which are very popular these days, are almost always standalone vsts.could you name a few?
>>741210597Pianoteq and SWAM sets from audio modeling.Using personally, they are decent.
>>741210343>Because there can be more than one "puzzle" per screenMaybe you highlight the puzzle you want to reset (first highlighted one is the most recently visited one or current one) and respawn the character at the right location.This would be a nice feature to have honestly.
>>741210484Nigga, are you dumb?Imagine the following scenario:>You unlock thing 1 and use it to go to the screen on right>then you unlock thing 2 and use it to go to the screen on the left>but you can also use thing 1 and thing 2 at the same time to use it to go to the screen above, but it blocks the paths right and left.It makes a lot more sense to allow the play to reset thing 1 and 2 individually, and not both at the same time. As far as I remember there is no example like this in the demo, but it's 100% going to be a thing in the finished game.>>741210779This makes a lot more sense, I agree it would be nice to have.
>>741210343>you need to clean up the puzzle you messed with it's so much funyeah no, add the new steam store tags "Cleaning" and "Organizing" on its store page then
Literally impossible
>>741210243Think about it, Anon. What happens when you press R on a level? It gets reset to the starting state. And if it's a big level, it gets reset to the state it was in when to reached the last checkpoint. But how would that work on the overworld? Should R reset the whole map? No, that's stupid. Should R reset only the screen you are on? On the surface level, one might say yes. But what happens when you only need to reset 1 block, like in the mirror section? This might block your way, or if it also resets your position, it would be annoying to go back. And what about puzzle elements that leave the screen? This is very much possible due to mirrors and skipping stones. The current system is great because it allows for more granular control and more creative puzzle design (as already shown in the demo on the second screen of the mirror part).
>>741210556>Physically modelled stuff, which are very popular these daysBasically nobody is using physical modelling. It's been a meme since the VL-1, which is a shame because it's fantastic, but programming physical modelling is like trying to program a DX7 with your dick while on fire.I wish I bought Respiro when it was cheap, I hate how crap the audio scene is for warez. Pianoteq 9 still doesn't work.
>>741211063Probably the hardest one I've done in the demo so far. See image for solution if you care.Hint: You need to come from behindHint 2: They can't be lined up next to walls
>>741211063It's just an alt version of the previous one with 2 crystalswizard is really easy to arrange things.But the gimmick is, you have to tediously place the priestess beforehand, which is probably what's flitering you.
>>741207748I got filtered like one or two levels after that and that was when I dropped the game
>>741211581hahahahahahahhahaha
>>741209802well the game compiles in a few seconds
the entire room full of crystals with the priestess and wizard made me stop caring.I hate puzzle games where the solution is simple, but the execution is a monotonous, tedious slog.
>>741211147Nobody is advocating to reset the whole map here let's be real.But obviously if you have unlocked things (sub sections, sub goals, whatever you want a call it), even if they cover multiple areas, you did it step by step in a certain order there has to be a way to reset them in the reverse order (via a stack or a unlock tree).Perhaps you could rewind but also fast-forward if you went too far.At minimum you should be able to sub-reset the thing you were currently progressing in (contextually).Think about the amount of time player are going to waste when they are stuck/blocked, but then in order for them to reset they have to unfuck themselves (every time) first just to reach the reset tile, this is just terrible.The reset already exist anyway, is just that currently it's a tile you have to go to.Maybe it can be solved through UI, doesn't seem like rocket science.
Mechanics: The Promise > Heroes > Mirror IslesStory and characters: Mirror Isles > Heroes > Overworld > The PromiseAudiovisuals: Heroes > The Promise > IslesDifficulty: Isles > The Promise > Heroes
>>741210775ty anon
Gems > Heroes > *powegap* > MirrorI enjoyed the first area of mirror, but I hated the cloning shit."Just keep hitting your face on edges to align the doubles" has never been a fun puzzle idea.
>>741211764Its just sliding puzzle basically
>>741184416>Here we can see the blind Brazilian. Despite their name they aren't actually completely blind but you might think that from observation
>>741207641>3080 with 4k monitor Regardless of anything else youre a fucking idiot
>>741175596>he has sunk 30 millions dollars>unoptimized buggy sokoban cloneFucking how? Even if he had hired some poor mfs to directly code the game in assembly, it would not have cost that much.
How do I know when I'm done with the demo? I think I completed all three areas, I'm at 73 puzzles solved
>>741212425>Its just sliding puzzle basically
>>74121300075 total
>>741207882>>741208265Are they lifts?
>>741211885>Mirror Isles lowest on the mechanicsThis has been a very interesting sentiment to observe. Of the originals, I loved Mirror Isles the most. I've played through it twice. And yet I sort of get it.
Any fanart?
>>741212929US programmers are payed six figures salaries.Times ten years.
>>741213727they're satisfying to crack but the actual process of measuring range and figuring out your possibilities is not very engaging, with gems and heroes you are pretty much always on the move
>>741213315The read out only shows 74 on the load screen though right?
>>741214084
>>741213781Ok that's 1 million
>>74121539510-15 people
Stats say 75 puzzles solved in 4 hours and 42 minutes. Jon said the demo would be 20+ hours. Why do puzzle devs always overinflate their playtime estimates?
>>741214163Where could it be....
>>741215504he split the demo into 2 parts part 2 is this friday i think
>>741215485he had 10-15 people making a sokoban for 10 years?
>>741214084Quit the game and reload, the stats on the load screen show your previous save data
>>741215556110 puzzles total.there is no way that's more than 10 hours, he said 50 before butw
>>741215893having watched jon play puzzle games on stream a couple of times, he is absolutely a midwit who throws toddler tantrums any time he gets stuck for more than 5 seconds. you can safely take any estimate he throws at you and divide it by 4 if you're at all experienced with puzzle games
>>741215504no watch an average person play puzzle games and realize they take 10-15 minutes on early post-tutorial levels
>>741215592yeah
>>741175596ITT people with a grudge against Jonathan Blow pretend to have a negative reaction to game.
>>741216427there's plenty to critique about the demo, it's still fun at times, but even jon said it's not 100% polished
>>741216427its a feedback thread, what do you bring to the table? did you even play the game?
New peak.>>741216427There are flaws. The movement is barely better than that of my amateur clone of this game in Unity, and other people see to be having performance issues.
>>741217050how do you expect the movement to work otherwise?
>>741217149Like in A Monster's Expedition. Go pirate that game and see what I mean.
What would he think about it?
>>741217290ive played it, feels pretty similar
This demo is really cool!
>>741217149his excessive animations combined with input queue'ing, get in the way of responsiveness. Having a time multiplier hotkey is just a bad bandaid.
>>741217549>Having a time multiplier hotkey is just a bad bandaid.which nobody is going to use anyway, telemetry will show that
For spending this long making it it's not very polished.The only thing that looks good are the backgrounds in levelsEven the menu is developer art tierIt has the same feel as those UE5 asset flip games for $5
>>741213727it mostly comes down to heroes having a lot of unique gimmicks while mirror isles is basically relatively traditional sokoban with the mirror, it isn't worse so much as it isn't too complicated
Blow is streaming right now. Just talked about the movement responsiveness.
Guys, I am really looking forward to this game fully releasing
>>741217050the movement felt awkward to me, until I switched to Dpad
>>741219187what excuse did he use to justify floaty movement after 10 years of development?
>>741219424Unironically it'll be>I prefer it this way, atart pressing shift more
>>741219424https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2798058323Starting at 6:05, he answers the question.
>>741219778damn he's not acting like an asshole for once
>>741219778retarded overcomplicated shityour game is turn based, retardmake the single tap movement snappytransactions my ass
>>741219778I wonder why he made the transactions based on visible movement. Why not just keep an internal grid and update that so the internals and the visuals can be handled separately?
>>741209481
>>741221979>>741209481Ground floor is basically a tutorial, huh. Less than half of the game. The demo is 1/16 of the game
i just know the final puzzle is gonna be one massive, multi-level, overworld thing
>>741219778This makes no sense>>741221739This makes senseI don't understand why he did it this way, what is the benefit? That you can pre-press left 3 times and move left three times in the future? It's not necessary to do that if your movement in a grid based game feels snappy and responsive. The delay is bad and it feels floaty and gross
>>741175596>low fpsAre you fucking kidding me, wasn't that a big thing with jai?
>>741175596what did jack crawford think about it?
>>741222876>what is the benefit?the only thing i could think of on the spot is that it helps with the move history or something, which make undo basically current state minus last turn transactions
>>741221739if you have a transaction system, can't you late-rollback a transaction for late turns so that it's a bit less rigid?
>>741223067No. No language can guarantee performance.
>>741223280Blows entire thing with jai has been how shitty and non-performant all the other options are, as he cries and cries and cries about how bloated and slow everything is, and now he's made a puzzle game that runs like shit.....bravo Jon!
>>741223173the transaction system is clever, what I don't understand is that it's seemingly based on the visual movement of the player (when they pass over a tile border, if I'm interpreting the clip correctly) when it could just be calculated in the backend, making generating transactions basically instant and allowing you to arbitrarily tweak animations without having to worry about it impacting the actual functionality of the game. I'm able to think of an implementation pretty easily so I'd be pretty shocked if blow couldn't, which makes me wonder why he chose not to implement it that way
>>741223067And people are blaming the PC specs and it's not that. Something is wrong with the game performing this poorly.
>>741223182it's multiple things, input delay, animations time, input queue, that needs to be tweaked, it's need to be more snappy
>>741177698>But the way he talks is so homo-codedand? hes the one out banging and making games while youre on 4chan
>>741223647it feels like debug logs are on in the background
>>741175596>The game has pretty graphics but run at much lower fps than expected on older hardware. Given that Jonathan Blow has built his whole brand and online persona on performance and optimisation, and made his own engine and language for 10 years, this was an unpleasant surprise.I think this sums up a lot of "Make your own engine" faggotry.
>>741175596there is still plenty of time to improve performances and movement before the actual release
>>741224126Hes been saying this for years.People clowned the poor performance in the debug build, and now it's in the demo build
>>741207254I mean that quote is kinda true. If you look it the whole indie game scene it's all LGBT POC shit. I mean look at itchio, they always have some new political bundle on the front page every other week. My question is, why are indie games so fucking lame and gay?
>>741223182The problem I'm seeing, and that I suspect he's concerned about, is that since the animations are a bit slow someone may input [up, right, up] all at once without waiting for each animation to stop and intend for the character to move like in A, while if you have inputs override the current animation you could get a situation like B where a preemptive movement cancels the current one unintentionally. The big issue is that the game can't tell whether you're intending to override your current move or add moves to the queue. I think the best solution would be to keep the current queue/movement implementation while speeding up animations to reduce the delay between you making an input and getting the resultant gamestate you want
Am I meant to be trying to merge the two?
>>741223647Ran fine for me.. 100+ FPS at 4k but I had to cap the FPS because it was running hot
The performance issues people are noting in this game are actually kinda crazy when you think about it. This game doesn't look any better than something you'd see on the original Nintendo Switch.
>>741223067Apparently, a lot of people are having FPS issues. Everything is fine on my end, though.
>>741207748I knew how I had to line them up nearly immediately, got way too in my own head overcomplicating how I'm supposed to do so, and felt like a complete retard when I figured out the fairly straightforward solution
>>741224342Not all the way from that island, but yes.
>>741223927It does feel like a debug build.
>>741223067I swear his release mode isn't actually a release mode, and he's leaving a bunch of logging stuff turned on.
>>741223927Some guy on steam said the game prompted him to attach a debugger when he launched the game lol
>>741224328>>741224126It's a little bit of everything.He needs to have a proper visual debugging mode specifically for the movement/input, highlighting current and next tile (input wise) to see how much character visuals and inputs are in sync. This will be key to visual the problem.I'm not sure the queue is not the solution, he could allow late turns and cancel the transaction if there is one (basically a rewind then retargeting the next tile), keep the input and character movement tight and snappy (and synchronized).But again there is also animation delay and such as well that might be interfering.Also the issue seems to be amplified when playing with an analog stick, that would need to have its own visual debugging.
>Want to play more of the game>But I've finished all the puzzles
>>741225073>I'm not sure the queue is not the solutionI'm not sure the queue is the solution*
>>741223590you can even split the work over multiple frames, so you don't have to do everything at oncewhy is logic tied to visuals i have no idea, honesly.>>741224407true, the game is an unoptimized mess currentlyi should be able to even hear the cooler of my 4090 with that kind of game
>>741225073Can't he cancel the animations smoothly? This is what path of exile 2 does and it works well and looks great.
I have a mac that was technically state of the art when I got it a couple years ago, so I play games at 4k all the time. But this game's making the fans come on, which is concerning lol
idk why he felt the need to have fancy animations for a mostly top-down block pushing game.I feel like he'd fume at that in other puzzle games.
>>741225783I watched him play Patrick's Parabox. He seemed pretty happy playing it.
>>741225909Parabox has functional and just polished enough animations that don't get in your way.
>>741225783the problem is the inertia, slowness of animation, and the resulting desync between inputs and animation/movement
>>741225995Oh, I misread your post as "I feel like he'd fume at playing other puzzle games.".
Holy shit the red guy is voiced by fucking Gaara from naruto lol
>>741214163>>741215797Turns out I missed one of the HoH levels in the first area after the courtyard, now I'm all caught up
>>741226354the prison one?i missed it too
>>741226405The blue one on the far rightIt's where Wiz and Beef confront Hussy about her sticky fingers
>>741225121The wait for the full release will be painful. I was interested in the game, but had no excitement. Now I'm pure hype.
>>741175596The game uses all my VRAM on my RX6700XTnice optimization blow
Mirrors and adventuring party puzzles were great. I hated the promise, the gem mechanic is super annoying. Kinda torn on it and I loved the witness.
>>741227012completely the opposite for mewest was fun, everything else felt like a chore
>>741189808I was watching his stream and he said that yes, you can brick the level and there is nothing they can do to fix that.
somehow i just took 20 minutes on this level, maybe i am retarded
>>741227413o shit is he black??
>>741227479worse, brown
>>741227771Oh man!
>>741227413i beat it easily, but looking at this pic i can't even remember how i did it
>>741227325>there is nothing they can do to fix thatThis game is so sloppy, if that happened in another game he would lose his shit while playing. First off, they could not design the puzzles in a lazy way. Second off, they could put a list of object states that are softlocks in the game's logic from playtesting and start playing the fail music when it happens.
this game became borderline trivial once I realized that most levels textures and decals that make the ground seem worn from having things pushed over it, indicating where you should place the blocks
>>741227413It took me a while too, but the solution was quite satisfying for it
>>741228064decals are created by you moving shit
>>741228064Really? But this screenshot has no such marks: >>741227413
>>741228325nta, but it does have it thoughthey even show the solution too
I hate the mirror isles so much. Am I right that I've gotta get the rock into the space between the right island and the top island?
>>741228398The skidmarks are caused by you pushing shit around, i went back to check and they're gone until you start pushing shit around
>>741228419two exits and the orientation of the mirrors already tell you everything you need to know
>>741228545yeah no fucking shit
>>741228419yes
>>741228545>>741228609Ok here's the plan:1. I clone the guy and put the clone on the bottom side of the right island2. I put main guy on the right side of the rock3. I push the rock above the clone4. The clone pushes the rock into the gap toward the exit island5. I uninstall
>>741228846ez
>>741228003like this, pretty fun. There are a lot of these hard until you get it but obvious in retrospect type puzzles
>>741228398You are correct, the markings are there where the crystal needs to move, I had the solution mixed up in my headBut as >>741228523 notes, they aren't there until you move stuff there
>>741229270Oh no, my webm-fu is lacking, how'd I fuck that up so bad
>>741229270
>>741229453The 4MB limit is my bane
>>741199869you owe it to yourself to watch this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ
>>741229453There
>>741229629funniest thing about this video is that he's unquestionably praising the game and it made blow mald because he was enjoying it wrong
>>741229743>>741229629Blow has deboonked this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SROsAt1T-4
>>741229743blow never cared about soulja boy, he cared about the critics and everyone else online (who enjoyed the game wrong)
>>741229837>I'm NOT mad I'm NOT mad I love soulja boy I am NOT mad Soulja boy is GREAT it's just the MOVIE'S FAULT it's the MOVIE'S FAULT but I'm gonna BAN YOU BYE
>>741229991>>741229743Idk I can kinda see how the documentary might be edited in a misleading way. Like I have some doubt that he had strong feelings about a Soulja Boy video that was basically a shitpost. Like some black rapper "probably" wasn't his intended audience for Braid anyways, so he was probably complaining about people in the industry not understanding his game or whatever. But yeah the way they edited it with Soulja Boy nigging over footage of him complaining was hilarious, especially the scene where they told him to sit in a dark room while they played the Soulja Boy audio over it lol
>>741228031It's the legacy of Promesst. Thekla already did a great job removing the tedium from it. They made the worst of the 4 games into the best of 4. But there is only so much that can be done without completely abandoning the idea of it.
Looking at the dev streams, I hope this game gets a level editor after the launch. The system Blow made for himself is pretty good looking.
>>741217290What a terrible example, that game has some of the least responsive controls I've ever seen. OotSS feels sluggish until you realise that the animation speeds up if you input controls faster and it keeps a queue of your inputs
>>741232674On another note, I do recall him saying that this game is kind of a proof of concept (side project lol) for the language and engine that he's making, both of which he is going to release for free to the public. I wonder if the engine will release with examples from this game.
I CAN'T REACH
>>741233525Must expand dong
>>741233525I was really happy with this puzzle because it's new content. I can't fucking wait for Friday, man.
Does picking up the orange in The Promise do anything?
>>741234849Your satsuma level increases
>>741233525If you're still struggling try starting with the west side instead of the south
>>741207446Universal constants for the current "pocket" world
>>741177163He's an incel, he's complained about women not liking him on stream before
>>741234135But it's the worst puzzle of the 75, anon.Once you know what you need to do it's five minutes of pushing blocks around.
>>741236216If it's the worst, then why did I like it?
>>741233525Is there a level after this? I haven't solved it yet but it's my 74 and I can't find the 75th one on the map.
>>741236474Look for a level entrance that's golden instead of glowing white. For me, the missing 75th was pic related.
>>741236741Nah, I've got that one. Guess I'll go back to scouring.
>>741236474My save said 73 earlier but after i exited the level once and came back after exploring it now says 74 solved even though i'm still stuck on the same puzzle, i did however drop this rock so maybe that counts as a puzzle?
>>741236993Ah, it says 74 now. Guess this is the last one after all, thanks.
>>741177163Yes. He unironically ends his stream to go dancing and it's a gay kind of dancing even gayer than normal dancing.
>>741237151There are 75 total.
>>741237280As previously mentioned, I have not solved the long island puzzle.
>>741233525took me an hour
Apparently, Isodore is voiced by Darin De Paul. There are some sizable names in the cast. Explain why only the writing felt questionable so far, but not the acting.
Does anyone actually enjoy the shitty dialogue? The puzzles are cool but that shit is annoying
>>741238335I only really cringed when the 3 heroes talked to the big bad of the north world. Everything else ranges from passable to interesting. I'm actually intrigued about the main plot, as well as the story or The Promise and Mirror Isles. But I worry about Skipping Stones since there is a talking boat.
>>741238506Talking boats can be cool
>>741238335It's charming in it's own way. The mirror zone dialogue seems a bit up it's own arse but I didn't really cringe at anything in the game. Even the diegetic wishlist begs
>>741238335It's okay sometimes, but it will either teeter to reddit or out of place pretentious far too often. But more importantly, Blow has no experience with dialogue pacing, so going from The Witness to maximalist talking and story is a bit too extreme and the lack of experience shows. And the intention of playing while they're talking is lost on most people with too much experience playing games that don't properly handle audio and progress. So most sit in the same room waiting for the extended monologues to finish.
>>741238973>The mirror zone dialogue seems a bit up it's own arseAt first, sure, but then you get schizo kino like this: >>741202528
>>741235602Ties in to promise?
>>741229743is this what it's like to have double digit IQ?
>>741238335I can't focus on dialogs when playing so I have absolutely no idea what the story is about.
I know it's a problem here so am I softlocked?
>>741242101here, here and walk through?
>>741242212>>741242101the laser might be blocking the beam, just push it through to the far end to the north with gems and activate the energy source there
>>741242350>the gem* might be blocking the beam
>>741242101
>>741242620How do you push the gem upwards when you have no room to turn? I solved this puzzle by bringing the orange teleporter beam over instead.
>>741242101If you think you might be softlocked then restart there's only about 4 gems to collect after the checkpoint so it's not a huge setback
>>741242101You're not softlocked and everyone else is telling you the wrong solution for some reason.Hint: Use the blue beam
>>741242794i don't remember honesty, i completely raped the map
>>741242957>I completely ignored that beam.
I AM SO BAD WITH THE MIRROR PUZZLESI did everything else in the game without getting stuck, but I'm fucking stuck in a couple of the last mirror puzzles, they suck.
>>741242794Never underestimate the monkey.
>>741233525Someone post an answer for this, I'm going insane
>>741243558that one easily had the most time sitting there for me, I think it's how particular you need to be about tile distances for some of them, it's very easy to funnel yourself into seemingly close solutions that will never actually work
>>741244809You can "magnify" the first drop too.
