>Marathon has been a success and it's only online chud losers hating on it and posting steam ch-ACK!
CH/v/DS WIN AGAIN
>Self described chud losersIn reality just losers.
Should have focused in making good games instead of spending money developing african hair technology
>>741283487>Company has two games>One is shutting down development>Cuts staff by 50%I understand dividing by 2 is very hard for your average child left behind but this is stupid even by zoomer standards.
>>741283487How come the ratfaced jew jason schreier didn't break this news?Isn't he the layoffs leaking guy?
>>741283680for a jew he sure is retarded
>>741283749Jews are only smart according to themselves.
>>741283629If its a numbers thing, why did they kill the game and the staff of the game with an actual playerbase?Also, why did they wipe like 80% of their total playerbase accross two games but only reduce staff by 50%? Numbers don't add up.
>>741283487>marathon flopped>overwatch flopped>marvel rivals floppedwhy is anti-white slop failing, bros?
>>741283629Why are they shutting down the game that currently has 10 times as many players as the one they aren't?
i went to install it during the free weekend and stopped when i say it used kernel level anti cheat i will not support that garbage
>>741283950They are retarded and haven't realized it yet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kav7tifmyTg
>>741283680all he does is making assumptions on twitter based on current news. he has barely any contacts and nobody wants to talk to him. He's literally larping as a business insider and is probably stressed the fuck out about his job, just waiting everyday to be fired
>I AM a successful game
we won again
>>741283950Because it used to have 7 million players and now has barely 1 percent of that and running it actively loses them money?
>>741283487No one made that argument.Also understand the 50% of the staff that was laid off is probably the Destiny team.Stay mad.
>>741283936Marvel Rivals and Overwatch reach a daily peak of around 100k on PC alone, ignoring other launchers and console.>I only get my data from YouTube pundits
>>741283487Marathon would've been a success if it had a single player campaign in addition to the online.
>>741283680I didn't realise how much of a jew face he was until he started making YouTube videos. Good lord it's uncanny.
I swear I've never seen anyone defend Marathon as being successful or viable on here. Just constant nonsense shit like OP talking about some posters who don't exist. The gameplay is good, but there's just something inherently fucked with the game and it will never be successful. It's a flop, they happen.
>>741284503Singleplayer campaigns in PvP focused titles is absolutely haram in 2026Ignore how it worked for Starcraft, Halo, and games of old. It's illegal. Bad idea. GDC and Bobby Kottick said so.
>>741284568Hey he did update his twittersky avatar recently where you can see his full glory.The youtube videos show you his voice which is hilarious lowtest.
>>741283629I think you're the stupid one here if your justifying shutting down the way more popular game for something with a fraction of the players.
>>741284503I see this argument made all the time, If it was the exact same game but there was an added 6 hour single player experience. I still don't believe it would be successful with that. There is no such thing as a an FPS online shooter with a short single player campaign. Look at Battlefield, massive waste a time making that campaign.
>>741284659Destiny 2 was finished, nothing wrong with ending it. If Marathon cost half the budget, and Destiny 3 was roughly 2 years away, this would be fine. Destiny 2's issue was that it could never get new players at this point, the new player experience was too shit.
>>741284778They took the same lessons into marathon because the new player experience is shit there too
>>741284778>the new player experience was too shit.but enough about marathon...
marathon doesn’t look like it would need 400 devs. they had 2 maps for launch kek. they’re never gonna make a new game, so they should be leaving the studio with around 60-70 people if they’re serious.
blastsissies...
Destiny shitters still in their "my girlfriend broke up with me" phase i see. Shouldn't you slobs be posting #destiny3 in gamechats? i'm sure that will bring your moneyfurnace you hadnt played in over two years back.
>>741284778>nothing wrong with ending itActually yes if the past 10-15 years have shown anything then it is the most retarded thing to end a successfully running live service to make a sequel or god forbid a completely new game.You already won the lottery if you got any whales locked into your live service. Why throw that away?
>>741284161>.........
>>741285231
its not concordian they said
Study bros...
>>741285481Arc Raiders isn't doing too hot either, just "better">>741285547It's really not, Marathon's flop is not comparable, people at least bought it at launch and even now it has more active than Concord in its peak. This is forced.>>741285231The funny thing is they were basically asking for the death of Bungie then suddenly pretend to care now. "oh actually we had something good going"
>>741284578there's another thread up right now about the same news with people defending marathan.
HE MAAAAAA- Oh wait this is just Marathon
>>741284578>leftist discourse pretending not to understand .jpeg
>>741285693Can you link it?Also nonzero chance you're playing sock puppet and they aren't actually defending the state of the game.
>>741285923lurk more
just make it f2p ffs, nobody gon' pay 40 bucks + cuck tax for a fortnite ass game about being killed by some faggot from 500 meters away
>>741285923it's literally up right now still, dude.>>741252317
>Marathon ?>More like Bore-athon !>OH OH OH OH OH OH>Marathon ?>Yet they're already on their last leg !>OH OH OH OH OH OH
Steamdb predicted this after the game's first weekend. That's why they want to cancel it.
>>741286301"marathon"? more like "who the fuck approved this thon"
>Destiny team is getting laid off! Marathon is truly a flop!!!Marge...
>>741284778>Destiny 3 was still 2 years awaySo wouldn't the better option to have it go til destiny 3 was closer to release and not kill it hoping people would play the shit pile marathon in the meantime?
>>741284703it's a weird looking game that has no hook other than >LOOK HOW WEIRD THIS LOOKScampaign would make people give a fuck about the lore, places or characters like when titanfall 2 finally had one>Battlefielddid significantly better then when they had a battlefield without one, same with COD.
>>741284503That was their biggest sinYou NEED a campaign to get people hooked on the lore and setting
>>741284626People literally lead a cult on Titanfall 2 because of its campaign too
They had a free week, literally 1 week where you could play the game. And the stats were a fucking embarrassment
>>741287161I don't play the game, but from what I understand the last big DLC was released last year? and they said that was the beginning of the end for the game.
>>741285621
>>741283487>Mfw
>>741285693>>741285987>>741286146While I'm not going to read EVERY post in that thread, it seems overwhelmingly negative. Are you getting caught up in like, literally one guy?
>>741289353Why are devs suddenly obsessed with extreme close-ups of fuck-ugly characters?
>>741292539I guess you've just completely ignored the overt shill campaign that's been present here since the game came out, that very obviously ramped during the s2 launch window. That's cool man, you do you, just don't come in here with shit opinions and not expect to see those being pushed back on
>>741292632I have not seen any shill campaign, the closest thing is obvious satire threads to dog on the game. It feels like you're fighting people in your head.Like I'm in these threads, even the /vg/ hasn't been defending it outside of a few pubstomp types.
>>741283629Why dont they transfer development of half the staff over to a new game or perhaps the current one?Oh yeah, it's because they're bleeding money lmaoFucking idiot
>>741284778Guess whatThe new player experience is going to be shit for D3, too, because destiny is inherently a shit game. You think theyre just going to suddenly fix all of the core problems with the game design in the third one? D2 launched with retarded shit in it dummy
>>741283629Bungie cut 50% of it's staff already, like 4-5 years ago, when they had just released a very successful expansion.I hate to jump on the "blame the evil CEO" train, but the executives at Bungie have truly horrendous decision making skills and it hasn't changed since they went independent
>>741283487>French journalistWhat 'my dad who works at Bungie' wasn't available for a quote
>>741283629Why would you place the fate of the company on a game genre that 99.99% of people have never heard about and takes advanced schizophrenia to even explain the rules of?
>>741284703Yeah what Marathon really needs is ground up reworks to gameplay and content quality plus new maps. Story can be handled better but it should be a social game for solo players first using 1 mode with 1 cycling event queue. There isn't enough PvE, contract quality is gutter oil, movement sucks, no cosmetics, no base, no firing range, no great social elements, etc. There's a good foundation here but I doubt they'll figure this shit out.
>>741284228Running costs are a function of staff size and servers, and Marathon has the same staff size (400 devs) and more expensive servers (faster tick rate), so technically Marathon is probably losing Bungie more money right now than Destiny 2.
>>741283680He did, about three weeks ago. His article was the first one talking about a 50% layoff at Bungie.
>>741285669Arc had a hugely successful first four months and made all the money it needed to and then some. It's completely fine for Embark if Arc fell to zero tomorrow because it overperformed like crazy.>ConcordMarathon is Concord 3, but the title won't be cemented until Marathon goes EOL, as was the case with Highguard.
>>741292621Because how else are you supposed to know it's a heckin diverse black man if they don't, huh??
>>741283487>actually this doesn't mean anything and only works to further push the false narrative around the games success>it's common knowledge that bungie didn't want marathon to do destiny numbers and knew their studio was bloated>anyone with two brain cells to smack together can see they obviously are just shedding the dead weight before unleashing season 3>that's when they will reveal they reworked an entire game that was stuck on development hell for years in a matter of a few months and the blast havers will return>chuds will really try and make every bit of news sound like the world is ending
>>741297058>wall of copeThings are not looking good for us, bungiebros...
>>741283487Am I stupid? They've got a checkmark so is that the official Marathon profile? Why are they citing a random journo when they ARE Bungie?
>>741283575How am I a loser?I still have my job
>>741296920>Marathon is Concord 388,337 launch peak vs 697.Nah, you're trolling.
>>741283629Shouldn't they put those people on developing the sequel instead?
>>741298091Concord (the original) is king, and almost nothing will achieve that level of fuckup. However, to be part of the Concordian timeline, Marathon meets the criteria:>live service game>shooter based (with teams)>nobody asked for it>everyone (smart) knew it would flop>comes out, commercially flops immediately>attempts to save the sinking ship all failThe one missing piece is it going EOL. At that point, it will firmly earn the Concord 3 title.
>>741283487Why couldn't they just spin the Destiny team off into a separate company?
>>741283629So what happens if they can't turn the Marathon situation around?
>>741298397Concord and Concord 2 never even had attempts to save the sinking ship. Concord was gone in a blink and Concord 2 had massive studio layoffs within the same amount of time. If you wish to have the esteemed Concord title continue to carry weight, you can't just toss it around so loosely. To be a part of the Concord lineage the game itself needs to be a nascent flame snuffed out within 2 months at most. Sony out of embarrassment will do all in it's power to keep Marathon chugging along because Herman Hulst knows that if he doesn't, as the only remaining person of leadership left at Sony and Bungie responsible for this disaster of an acquisition that it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't. You are about to see layers of make-up on this pig in volumes you never thought possible.
>>741298826>herman hulst getting bootedI was too harsh on Bungie
>>741298987>hulst was in charge of concord>he became co-ceo of western sony when everyone else got firedhow the fuck did that happen
>>741284962>Marathon has more devs than active players>Here's why that's a good thing
>>741298826Highguard's devs did the same exact 'gameplay experiments' that Bungie is doing, and if you look at Marathon's first F2P weekend numbers, they're pretty close to Highguard in terms of drop off.>a Concord has to be dead within 2moI disagree, because a company can keep a failed game propped up on life support like Sony is doing. To me, the budget is much more important, and Marathon now costs more than Concord for dev costs. >Herman HulstHow Sony has not fired this guy after costing them $5b is a mystery of the goddamn universe.
>>741299301They took too much inspiration from American business culture and he fell upwards.
>>741298463Sony has it in their head that to save Destiny would require the level of investment of a new modern AAA game built from the group up. The folly is that they're simply incorrect on this. Destiny does not need a new game, it just needs a new version of Destiny on an updated version of it's engine designed to actually sustain long-term game development. D2 from the very start was built on a flawed foundation thanks to the conditions it was first developed in from the Activision contract, which spiraled out into becoming the issues of technical debt. I could guarantee you that you could just give even a shruken version of the destiny team 2 years to run a Yakuza-level asset flip porting forward the content and assets of Destiny 1, and the cut content of Destiny 2 on top of all of the existing assets, drop it all in a new version of the engine designed intentionally for sustainable development, drop the number from the title and run that as a launch pad for future new content and it would work. Game looks find, assets look fine, and any increase in visual fidelity would only make creating new future content harder when all Destiny really needed was to not cut DLC people literally paid for and a more sustainable business model and content cadence that allowed for consistent quality.If you told any Destiny fan that they could get a Witch Queen level expansion with every expansion at the cost of waiting 2 years for those expansions with 2-4 Into the Light level content updates during the waiting period they would take that offer in a heartbeat, and the end result would be a healthy game with a healthy growing playerbase, because that's exactly what Bungie got when given 2 years to make The Witch Queen to begin with.
>>741283487the whole anti-marathon shill-ism was insane, but also surreal- here on /v/ideo gaymesnot one screenshot besides the game's COVER ART was being posted here constantly, and not a single anti-woke or gameplay critique, just constant "muh steam numbers"fucking retarded- but also hilarious to say the least
>>741283629>he thinks the 2 games had an even amount of people working on them
>>741299501>ignoring every complaint about how horrid the game looks, every webm posted by that one tranny that keeps shotgunning everyone gets clowned on for looking like crapyeah ok
>>741283487>>741283629Someone with a degree in business, tell me why, instead of laying off employees, why not make smaller-scale games?
>>741299643im not even joking- did you fucking saw the catalog for the whole month when marathon got released? Marathon_Cover_Art.jpg ; "LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS GOING DOWN LMAO BUNGIE DED. DED."Also, the game's aesthetic are pleasant to look at if I'm being honest. Other elements meh, but that's just me not being into modern gaming scene
>>741299853>if im honestno, lmaoyou literally cant beyou are colorblind, actually blind and deaf if you think that
>>741283629It's also understood that developers shift teams and projects all the time. Cutting your developer pool is a sign that you don't have enough money to create what you had originally planned because a previous project failed. It's not as if those cut were just the skeleton crew on cutting Destiny 2 content for the last 6 years, they had been working on what Bungie had needed at the time. If you even believe that 50% of a studio was ONLY working on Destiny you are actually retarded.
>>741283487>far right bigots still upset over LGBT game that harmed absolutely no oneColor me surprised!
Would Bungie's situation be any different if they were at Xbox right now or would it be worse?Sony has been extremely patient and lenient with the retards in Bungie management
>>741299910idk it's kind of sexy to my eyes... but also, that artstyle is hard to find nowadays- tt kinda reminded me mirros edge, but also system shock remake
>>741299312Anon you had Tencent cut the studio behind Highguard from like 120 staff to just 20 within 3 weeks of launch. I understand that you really want to push this meme but I'm telling you that while Marathon is ass and likely not long for this world once the Destiny team lay-offs hit and create generational rancor from its fans against Sony and the title it's existing in a different context from Concord and it's fellow Concord-likes. It cannot be understated just how quickly those games fizzled out.To put in perspective, Marathon has lived longer than 2 Highguards (which only lived 6 weeks), 7.5 Concords (which only lived 2 weeks) and an infinite volume of Hyenas (which didn't even release). This isn't to defend Marathon, but to defend just how special of a moment a Concord collapse truly is. Treasure those moments, do not devalue them by associating them with mere pretenders.
Bungo hasn't made a good game since 2010.
As much as I want it it's a french literal who saying this. about as reputable as me saying "bungie closes next week" here.pls tho
>>741300035i know what you're typing, but I will also look past the mask and say, "yes we're going to keep laughing at you for failing"
>>741299501>marathon had anti-shillsThis is the first tell that you're not a serious poster.>not a single anti-woke or gameplay critiqueAnd this is the second tell that you never actually went into any of the Marathon threads. Because if you did, you would have known that a common shill refrain was to ask 'What's woke?', get told (and btfo), leave, then repeat it in the next thread.But keep pretending you knew how threads on the board actually went. I'm sure this will save marathon or change people's minds about it you absolute moron
ITT: Annoying bitter autist replying to reasonable wokesters
>>741300114Tencent didn't do anything but exercise a clause in their contract with the devs that let Tencent stop funding. There was no Sony behind them. More important, there was no *embarrassed* Sony behind them who would prop up this flop game rather than take the reputational damage from admitting they're 0-2 on Bungie.The Concord branding has always referred to failed high budget live service games that were also trying to chase trends. >how special of a moment a Concord collapse truly isI agree with you completely. Concord was a once in a decade level flop. The entire reason why it's appropriate to frame Marathon as a 'Concord 3' is because Concord was such a monumental fuckup that it needed its own descriptor.
>>741300218seriosuly, what the fuck is wrong with you people, why are you all so *mad* about this gameim not even into this game besides how it looks, and i never played a bungie game in my life, since early xbox never dominated here in parts of europewhat did marathon do to piss you off so much... was it bungie's betrayal back in 2008, or what?!
>>741298397>Concord (the original) is king, and almost nothing will achieve that level of fuckupMarathon is actually king and far btfos Concord. 400m dollar for the development of the title along with 3.6B Bungie acquisition completely obliterates the tidy fuck up Concord had.It's such a huge fuck up that Sony can't even shut Marathon down properly, or even bring themselves to the conviction that Bungie was and always has been a complete fucking failure.
still can't understand why they made marathon an extraction sloppa instead of a destiny clone but based in the marathon universesony execs are fucking retarded lolgood thing they are doing layoffs, hopefully its all the trannies and whale foids they are getting rid of
>>741283487I win again. Never go against the official target customer on /v/.
>>741300613Because destiny gameplay is garbage and only low IQ month breather enjoy it.
>Achievement unlocked: It's not a sprint, it's a...
>>741289353
lol
>>741283487I didn't do anything.
>>741300613Dick sucking lips...
>>741300274YWNBAW
>>741300578It's worse than Concord since it's going to end up costing Bungie and Sony much more money than Concord did, but the event isn't as sudden and catastrophic. If Bungie doesn't end up making a hit game as their next game then Marathon will represent most of that $3.6 billion purchase price, with its ~$300 million budget bringing the cost up to $4billion. A bit abstract to think about which $ pertain to which entity but if Bungie is gone in five years then this is actually one of the major corporate losses in American history.
>>741301707you got filtered lolhow do you suck that badly at a primarily pve game?
>>741300486>why are you so madNobody on /v/ is mad about Marathon. You tourists have been trying to push this narrative for months and it just betrays how you aren't from here and don't know board culture. All /v/ has done is laugh at the game flopping, because it's clear this was what was going to happen.>>741300578Marathon is the bigger financial flop, yes, but it still pales in comparison to the commercial disaster of Concord>can't break 1k CCU on Steam>pulled from sale in 14 days>refunds issued, and if you had the digital version on PS5, Sony force uninstalled it from your system>game killed>studio killed>all within a monthIt seems like fiction if you describe it to someone.
>>741283629Holy fuck the absolute state of you rotting axewounds
>>741283487time to bungie jump! no rope xD
>>741283629Now this is how you make a baitpost.Stupid enough to get guaranteed replies, but not so stupid that it's obvious.The kind of post an actual retard might make.
>>741301810GOOD OLE NINE ELELVEN
>>741302716With that panic response I have to wonder if some tranny dev didn't sneak in something disgusting that they were worried would get them sued
>>741300613Making Marathon as it is right now was already mistake from the get go because creating a competitive PvP shooter already drives comparisons and questions as to how it relates to Destiny which already has PvP, and the direct result of siphoning PvP staff from Destiny to make Marathon to begin with, which hurt support for Destiny's PvP scene. If Bungie (not the board of directors) really wanted to be a multi-game and IP studio, whatever those new games were to be should have been titles that are distinct in their design and gameplay to separate themselves from Destiny, and built with from the ground-up new teams to ensure that Destiny remained healthy in the meantime. The problem isn't just the game and it's inherent overlap with Destiny, it's the cost it took for it to even exist.It's almost comical that within the same month this implosion at Bungie is happening, you had Arenanet reveal that they are also now a multi-game studio, and present a clear outline of how they are accomplishing it without hurting their golden revenue goose by building their new game with a completely separate team working with different toolsets. Bungie by decisions of management is basically forced to make the same mistake Anet made decades ago when they created GW2 at the expense of GW1, except unlike Anet the game they are replacing their GW1 with is not enough of a success to eventually allow them to spin back and correct that error later.
It's over.
bungie hasn't made a good video game in 20 years and even halo is mostly just people were 5 at the time
COMEBACK: STUDIEDGAMERS: RETURNINGLIGHTNING: BOTTLEDFORM: RETURNED TOVIBE: SHIFTEDHATERS: DISCOMBOBULATEDTHING: NEXT BIGAND MOST OF ALLBLAST: HAD
>>741294584>Why dont they transfer development of half the staff over to a new game or perhaps the current one?Because there is no such thing as a job where more cooks in the kitchen is good
>>741283487
>>741303092NOOOOMARASISTERS, READY YOUR HARSHEST 'TASSI IS A SEXIST CHUD' BLUESKY POSTS!
>>741286301>marathon?>yeah, it’s gonna die, just like the original greek guy who ran and died>doh hohohohohoh
maybe if the government gave me more neetbux i could affor to buy games and save the economy
>>741283487This is meaningless because they are likely not laying off the right people, and the damage to their reputation is done anyway. Pretty tragic what happened to bungie, they couldn't just crash and burn because they sucked but they also had to go down this route too.
>>741300613They could have easily done a dark age era extraction shooter with the destiny IP and people would have devoured it because that many people still like the drifter
>>741302561The thing is even if Marathon made as much of a splash as Arc Raiders, that still wouldn't have been enough to justify the amount Jim Ryan overpaid for Bungie with. Arc Raiders sold like 12mil units by this time in it's life cycle which would have been barely enough to make a profit off the development cost for Marathon to begin with. That's both how bad the wealth gap in operational costs between US and European studios are and reflective of just how much Sony fucked up when letting Jim panic buy following the news of the Activision acquisition (and look at how well that expansionist era of Xbox has been going for them now lol) There's a reason why everyone responsible for this deal outside of Hulst (who is too dug in from making his entire career at Playstation) has long since bailed on Sony and Bungie the instant their vested stock options and CEO bonuses became available to cash out and leave.
>>741283487>Marathon has been a successLiterally no one actually believed this
>>741283487so the suits call in their blackmail to get bungie bought for 6x its value then escape then make everyone else take the loss? yeah threres totally a god..
>>741283629>Destiny team is getting layoffs. Looks like Marathon is done for.These people can't be real
>>741303092>it was about D2uh oh... chuddies?
>>741302561Usually when you spend that kind of money you get an asset that will maintain a value even if you struggle to make much money with it directly. Think of something like Star Wars, Disney have been shitting the bed for a long time, but if they decided to sell it they'd still get billions back from somebody.It just doesn't work with game studios. With few exceptions they are so ephemeral that a couple of duds and they get the bullet. Maybe you'd be left with some IP you can pawn, but to spend billions on this shit is so fucking risky.
>>741295185They were never independent. They've always sold out immediately to the highest bidder since they got in bed with Microsoft. It took a while but selling out eventually caught up to them.
>the currently most profitable and active live service game Sony owns was killed by their own hand and they refuse to acknowledge itkek
>>741303743>Marathon isn't even relevant enough to get doom videos made about it anymoreA new threshold for irrelevance has been reached.
>>741303743It was just him saying the same thing he's been saying for 3 weeks now. He knows his job with Forbes is probably ending now that the only thing he covered is finished so he's farming youtube.
>>741302716sorry to disappoint you, but im an irregular guest here since 2017, and im aware of the "sublime culture" of shitting games- but wait.. you're trying to say that v shits on specific games like marathon? im pretty sure that back then /v/ermins werent such miserable misantropes that started to pray that every game that isnt a game with a budget less than 50k drops and dies in firealso kys you 2016 election tourist, you arent fooling anyone as to who you are- a fag who doesnt play games at all, and just culture war bsing like a good goy you are
>>741303923Spite. Bungie has legitimately fucked Sony over since Day 1 of the acquisition. Bungie gave Sony a massively over-inflated price tag that Microsoft laughed at. Sony brought in Bungie for their liveservice expertise and Bungie was partially responsible for Sony going hard on Concord. Destiny was a mismanaged mess. Marathon is an utter failure showing Bungie doesn't know shit about making a new liveservice games.
>>741303965holy fucking cope. tassi literally doomed about marathon like yesterday.
Playercount status?
>>741304013>y-you're all /v/ermin! Misanthropes! Miserable people!>also, you're the tourist Wow, you people really aren't sending your best, huh? I'll continue doing what I always do with flop games (laugh at them), and you can keep projecting about how angry all of us are when the reality is it's just you being bitter and humorless. I suggest dropping the SSRIs, lil bro. They're going to fry your brain.>>741304174I'm sorry the joke went over your head.
>>741304284>my mental retardation was actually a joke desu...
ack
>>741304234stabilized to before the end of season 1
>>741304013>that started to pray that every game that isnt a game with a budget less than 50k drops and dies in fireThey literally took that from streamer culture.To streamers, any game that's not top 10 on Steam is a liability to cover and therefore dead. Their whole personality is leeching popularity.You're not allowed to like an underperforming game on /v/.
>>741285621>Hmph. U mad chud?
>>741298054>wagieNobody tell him.
>>741283487So what's taking Sony so long to do these layoffs? They should know that stopping the bleeding sooner is better than later. Are they waiting for their quarterly reports to pass so they can lie to investors again?
>>741304492no arrow
>>741284503>>741287260>Just casually invest another $200-300million on a non core part of your product
>>741304071>Bungie was partially responsible for Sony going hard on ConcordWhat breed of autism lends itself to fabrications of consumer fan-fiction like this? Sony went hard on Concord because Jim Ryan, the man who was in charge of Playstation wanted to go hard on Concord. Bungie didn't tell Sony to greenlight like 14 fucking live service games, Sony greenlit those 14 live service games and then bought Bungie (for an overinflated panic buy price) to try to best assure that those titles saw success and genuinely the best advice they gave them was to cut the plans because the idea was terrible and the upkeep would strangle the studios. You can and should fault Pete Parson for over-promising and under-delivering dooming Bungie to it's current fate but it's not like Bungie blackmailed Sony into buying them. Sony bought them because Jim Ryan was a retard.Jim Ryan knew he was a retard, which is why he "retired" before any of this could blow up in his face.Pete Parson knew he over-promised, which was why he "retired" the moment the vested stock options for the acquisition unlocked for him to cash out and leave.Pete Parson also started this trend of layoffs at Bungie, hurting it's capacity to support both Destiny AND Marathon because he was in an position in his contract with Sony to either cut staff to meet revenue targets to keep Sony away from the clause in the contract that would allow them to dissolve the Bungie board of directors and Pete would have lost his bonuses as a result or task the executive class to take a pay cut which would have left them a little bit less generationally wealthy than they already are.
>>741304537Wait, it's back down to 10k? Did it lose literally ALL the people it gained from the free weekend?
chudcels are really upset about the success of marathon
>>741304904it might have lost a lot of players due to the server wipe and gained some new players due to the free weekend, balancing it out
>>741304537>was at sub 15k>free week event starts>jumped to 40k at the start>gradually loses players throughout the event>right back at the original 15k on the last day>continues to follow the downwards trend as the same paceDid they actually not get anyone to buy it because of the free week? It seems more like the lost players jumped back in. Otherwise I expected a way sharper drop after the 11th
>>741304904Probably. Hell, even the hardcore players were bitching about how the recent cryo just showered you with loot to the point that they said it made playing feel pointless.
>>741304284Retard
>>741304904>le tranime laughing jpg? desu...
>>741304825>plausible in 2006>not plausible in 2026You're a moron, and this says more about the state of AAA more than anything.
>>741303415Exactly. They probably fired everyone who has been telling them they fucked up this whole time and kept everyone who sucks cocks on twitter about how orange man bad
>>741305037I buy boughteded
>>741305162
>>741300045Even if Bungie stayed all of the vets and worthwhile talent would've left anyways. They hated working for Microsoft ever since they got sold to them so it was always going to be a matter of time. Chances are Bungie would've turned out like 343 did, just another cog in the Microsoft machine.
Blast status?
>>741305595Watching this shitshow has been the biggest blast I've had in a while.
Marasisters...
Sony paid HOW much for this?
>>741303197100% wrongI've seen the FBI crack unsolvable cases by simply throwing more manpower at it.
>>741304904It didn't really gain anyone. All that happened is the core audience who bought the game at retail came back briefly, then most left.
>>741283487Marathon is the ultimate lolcow of vidya. it's the Jer Hambly
I wonder how angry the upper management at Bungie and Sony are at the skeleton D2 crew for putting out such a banger update and feeding this shitstorm?
>>741306259close to 4 billion now
>>741283487When you drag yourself down to the level of an idiot and pay millions of dollars to do it while he's paying his internet bill, you end up being the bigger idiot.
>>741292539discourse is now impossible
>>741298397I think it also needs "modern" designs and arrogant devs, but that might just fall under "everyone knew it would flop". I'd also expect massive dicksucking from the conventional press. >>741298826>>741300114I think it needs to die, as in be clear to everyone that it's fucking dead, rather than be literally EOS before the initial ads come down. For this game, quarter billion dollars lost in the launch period, losing literally millions of dollars a month.>>741304902Firewalk was made up of ex bungie employees, and bungie was advising on Sony's live service initiatives. Remember that the decision wasn't just to publish Concord. It was to buy the entire fucking studio, AND double it's dev budget to accelerate it.
>>741304904It's not clear exactly who quit, but +everyone who bought during the sale -whoever= no net gain.
>>741306941No, it's the Republicans who are idiots
>>741305037Based on rev charts, aside from day 1 where it hit number 5 because of processing the new battle pass, it dropped to 50 and stayed there. So THAT is about the number of new buys they had, which is to say, not fucking much, but some of them would have had to almost immediately quit..
>>741306259Sonys entire live service debacle is about 8 billion, and I fully expect it to reach the full 10 with Hunters and Fairgames.
>>741307325Your entire argument is "no u"
>>741298397What are you smoking?Sony did a tax write off on Concord and got between 40 and 60% of dev costs back.Marathon is burning Sony's money right now, as we shitpost. Marathon is a 765m IMPAIRMENT LOSS on Bungie. By releasing it, they have wiped a billion off their own value.>money money money, jeezYes. Marathon is already one of the most expensive mistakes of all time. Every day it is operational compounds that. Bungie can fire 90% of their staff and Marathon will still be burning millions of USD per month.
>>741283874A lot of people don't realise this but their whole "we're really smart" is just propaganda. Israel is a shithole and everything they have is stolen from elsewhere.
not a single person that played the free weekend bought the game laterlmao
>>741307491Yours is REEEEEEEEEEE LEFTIES!!!!!!
>>741307191The toxic positivity factor cannot be discounted in any development studio that's based in a liberal city.
>>741307554>Sony did a tax write off and got 40-60% backAnon, the crack pipe is yours if you believe that bullshit.>Marathon's impairment loss is realized when the game releasedYou have no idea how impairment losses work.>Marathon will be burning millions per month even if Bungie lays off staffNo, if Bungie lays off everyone, the operational costs for Marathon go down to basically just whatever the servers cost to keep running.
>>741300613They metooed the previous designer who wanted a looser, less PVP oriented game, where lots of people are running around doing different shit at the same time on a big map, and you can decide whether to take on hard shit, head to head shit, or more casual shit.
>>741306941>check thread>99% of people shitting on Marathon>brooo look at the defenders>look inside, one guyIt's amazing how much /v/fag discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible
>>741307554>Sony did a tax write off on Concord and got between 40 and 60% of dev costs back.That's not how tax write offs work.
>>741307807>You have no idea how impairment losses work.Well, I'm a different anon, and I know I'm a goddam idiot. What's the difference between "i lost .7 billion dollars", and "I took .7 billion dollars in imparment losses, because my shit is worth .7 billion dollars left"?
>>741307707cope, seethe and dilate, in no particular order
>>741308123Impairment loss is when the actual value of something doesn't live up to the imaginary number I made up in my head that I think it should have been valued atBasically Snoy got scammed
>>741308247Ok, got it. So you can't read. Because that's what he said.
>>741307934>I swear I've never seen anyone defend Marathon as being successful or viable on here.
>>741308381Different person.I guess I'm held responsible by extension because [insert mental illness here]
>>741308443you can still follow a conversion in a thread, though.
>>741308123>>741308247Here's how an impairment loss works, anons:>I bought a car and paid $5000 for it>Uh oh, I got drunk and had a minor accident and fucked up the front of the car>Now my car is only worth $1000 if I try to sell it on the market>But now when I report the value of my holdings, I have to report that the car is worth only $1000>I declare this as a $4000 impairment loss against the car's valueIt's similar to an unrealized loss/gain since Sony technically hasn't lost money on Bungie (as an asset they could sell) since they haven't sold it.>>741308381The only people defending Marathon in any of these threads fall into one of four groups>actual sincere anon who likes the game but doesn't shill for it unreasonably ('Yeah it's shit at parts, but some other parts are good')>gcj/reddit/bluesky tourist retard trying to shitpost about Marathon being good for personal ideological reasons (it can't fail because Bungie can't fail and I have to own the chuds)>actual paid shills, but they're not around anymore since the marketing money stopped flowing>shitposting anons who just want to bump dying marathon threads or be trolls
>>741283487Sony was PISSED that Bungie scammed them with "marathon" a glorified tech demo made to look like a shitty blade runner rip off AND lied about being able to make their online efforts work better to sucker the out of touch oldster japs at sonyThey called parsons an embezzling retard, DEMANDED their money back and got it, shuttered destiny 2, and told them if they don't make the piece of shit they sold them profitable they'll shut down the studio.This is corporate revenge. And you know what, bungie deserves it.
>>741308595Surely Snoy had to know they were wasting moneyWhat moron at their accounting department genuinely though Bungie was worth BILLIONS with a B?
>>741308684The story about 'how Sony came to buy Bungie' is probably so retarded and conspiratorial that it deserves its own HBO documentary, right up there with the THQ tablet thing that sunk their company.
Sony purchased a $3.6 billion dollar house, had a $204 million loss in market value last year, and then a $765 million loss recently. So their house is worth $2.6 billion now (according to them but in reality it is a disintegrating hovel that nobody would buy for even 15% of that price). Meanwhile they invested a few $100 millions into renovations.
>>741308595So...Sony Drunk drove Bungie off a bridge into a canyon into a BLM protest and it's worth several BILLION fucking dollars less than they paid for it?Or Sony was high on jenkem and crack, bought Bungie, took it home and discovered it was three transexual aids midget in a trenchcoat, and is admitting their shame, in a financial sense to the auditors?>The only people defending Marathon in any of these threads fall into one of four groupsId also add. People wo REALLY like rape. Both giving and receiving. They seem to be quite serious.,
>>741307191>Ex bungie employeesLike that means fucking anything in this context. You know Bungie had a peak headcount of over 1600 concurrent staff at one time right? Any studio branding itself as "Ex-[high profile or formerly high profile studio here]" is always astrotuffed to shit because these types of monolithic mega studios are so vast with such a high employee turnover rate. There's a different in skill in prestige in something like a studio headed by "Ex-Bungie" Max Hoberman and for all we know, a studio headed by the guys who thought a double primary weapon meta for vanilla Destiny 2 was a good idea. I don't know if this is just an age gap where you haven't learned that those type of marketing spins are meaningless despite the countless volume of failed games and studios from "ex-blizzard" employees.
>>741308827But everyone including they know the house isn't worth anywhere close to $2.6 billion, it's just going to keep tumbling down from here on out and I don't think they have any idea what to do
>>741308886The impairment loss is currently at $950m, I think. It's not 'billions'. Yet.And the people who like rape aren't posting in these threads, they're the ones playing Marathon.
>>741306329Congrats anon you win "Dumbest nigger on /v/" award for June 17, 2026
>>741284132>all he does is making assumptions on twitterI think he abandoned twitter for bluesky>>741284568>I didn't realise how much of a jew face he was until he started making YouTube videosI just watched his video on the situation at Xbox and I had never heard his voice before and I was surprised that he sounds even gayer than I would have expected. Very feminine intonation and with that weird lisp a lot of gay men have.
>>741308987It would be interesting if Sony were willing to cut their losses and sell Bungie (I'm not sure if they have the rights to do that but just imagining...). What would somebody pay for them? $300 million seems too much. $200 million seems possible, and I'd bet the buyer would do it with Destiny 3 prospects on the mind.
>>741308595>Uh oh, I got drunk and had a minor accident and fucked up the front of the carthis is not a good example especially for this situation.
>>741309421>I'm not sure if they have the rights to do that but just imagining...They absolutely do, Bungie is a subsidiary company of SIE now, not independent at allBut who on earth would buy them?
>>741309612>But who on earth would buy them?That's what makes the question interesting. It's not a matter of who but a matter of how low their buy price would have to be to finally attract a buyer. If they were available for $1000 I'd buy them and get some venture capitalists invest into Destiny 3.
>>741309612>microsoft already bought them>activision already partnered with them>sony bought themi guess take two? maybe Embracer Group?
>>741308684>>741308796It breaks down pretty simple to me>Bungie has made two Live Service games and both made staggering amounts of money>The market seemed to be shifting towards Live Service games in general, with the idea being that even a few flops could easily be absorbed by the insane value brought in by 1 hitCombine that with>The biggest reason Sony was able to shut out XBox after the 360 Era was through timed or full exclusive deals>This practically cost Sony nothing since it was done as a loan against their profits anyway, and companies were happy to take the loan since they all knew the Sony platform was a safe bet, while taking an exclusive deal with XBox was risky>However, Microsoft suddenly started buying up some of the biggest and most important companies in the industry>This risked giving them Ninendo style leverage where they could always make games for their platform even if they couldn't get 3rd parties, and if those games were good enough shut Sony out>Sony begins panicking and starts acquiring companies tooAdd those two storylines together and buying Bungie seems like a great deal. Not only do you get all their current earnings, but Sony's development studios started 9(NINE!) different Live Service games, with potentially more down the line. With Bungie's expertise they were sure to make 1, 2, or even a handful of those into a success, which would pay for all the failures and pay for the acquisition.Remember that Microsoft paid 2.5 BILLION for Mojang. You're saying that Sony paying 3.6 Billion to Bungie was crazy? Look at Microsoft paying that much to a tiny little Swedish studio with a grand total of 1(one) game. And yet, Microsoft made fucking bank from Minecraft and earned a huge market niche in the process.
>>741310070Well congrats to Snoy on shutting down the one game that had the looter shooter market niche pretty much locked down for a game that is getting pummeled by every other game in its genre
>>741310070Sure but Minecraft was and still is much bigger and more profitable than Bungie. Actually saying Microsoft bought Minecraft for only 2.5b is more amazing.
>>741310052didn't embracer already die
>>741310271>>741310503Well the issue is that outside of Minecraft nothing I listed worked out AT ALL. All 9 of those Live Service games flopped or got cancelled, Bungie's expertise wound up being worthless. And Bungie was so ridiculously, insanely bloated to all hell (anyone got that "How a company dies" HR bloat image?) that even their biggest titles weren't making the kind of money they should have been.When Microsoft was buying fucking Obsidian they looked into buying Bungie. But when they got one look at Bungie's books, they laughed their way out of the meeting and back to their office. Sony was either in panic mode (to be fair, Microsoft getting Bethesda and Activision was huge) or they didn't look.And of course Microsoft's acquisitions didn't work out either. Arkane basically threw away everything that made their studio great, to make a Live Service slop game to make them more appealing to Microsoft, which made all their talent quit. So Microsoft brought them and basically couldn't do anything with them, all their talent was out the door before the deal had even been inked. Complete sham. Bethesda was meant to put out the killer app that would save the XBox+Gamepass and they instead put out their first flop. And even Call of Duty hasn't been doing numbers like it used to.
>>741300045Destiny would have never gotten this big in the first place because the core pillar of the mark4eting was "we are SOOO free now that we got UNCHAINED by le evil xbox"*does a contract with both activision and sony*Hell the e3 reveal trailer even had that notMasterchief to go even harder into this marketing angle.
>>741310736Bungie is just a prime example of what happens when idealogues run what should be a golden goose into the ground with constant bad decisions.Despite all their retardation, Destiny 2 kept on trucking until it finally collapsed under the weight of all the bad decisions.Sunsetting, all of Lightfall's retardation, the portal, EOF, etc.Anyone with good business sense who actually played video games could have told them that shit was retarded, but they're all Seattleite ideologue retards at Bungie, not gamers or business people.
>>741310736People tend to evaluate things based on results, rather than the possible "value" of the thing itself.As in: Acquiring a studio is a GOOD idea because X acquired a studio and made a lot of money! Of course, that doesn't mean it necessarily is a good idea, but to some it makes the whole thing seem great. People say things like "Lottery is just idiot tax" which is true, but hype and hearsay investment is a retard tax for investors. It's the same shit on a different scale.
>>741310736Why is this reditspacing chatgpt bot still insisting that starfield was a flop?By no real world metric it was not a massive money maker.
>>741310975>Bungie is just a prime example of what happens when idealogues run what should be a golden goose into the ground with constant bad decisions.Yeah, it's a classic case of a company getting more and more and more management and HR bloat as it goes on until it's just completely unsustainable. Pulling numbers completely out of my ass, if they added 200 Devs, they probably added 400 Management+HR+Admin staff. And the more you bloat the less effective each one of your "Fee earners" are.There's a fantastic image that sums it up, the "Death of a Company" one that gets posed here pretty regularly.>>741311159>He fell for the filter memelmao2 years before posting, newfag.
>>741283487Leftoid shills quickly forgot about how much they *apparently* cared about art theft when they were told, "go own the chuds by shilling for this game published by a multibillion dollar corporation!"
This shit is insane, either Bungie shut down D2 production against Sony's will or Snoy higher ups shut it down against Bungie's will as revenge for Bungie's total incompetence and other Snoy devs are upset.Can someone read into this better than I can?
>>741311417That tweet is saying Sony upper management forced D2's closing as retribution against Bungie for their dogshit advice on games like Concord and the Last of Us online game.
>>741311557Based, fuck Bungie.
>>741311557Then who at Playstation is upset about it and pushing back/resisting and how?
>>741310736>Arkane threw it all awayThis line implies it was their choice, and not the choice of Zenimax, their former owners tasking them with making a live service game as yet another talking point when looking to sell the studio. You keep putting blame on the studio and not the board of directors who command them who in both the context of Zenimax and Bungie were LOOKING TO SELL TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. The failure on Microsoft's part was having leadership too afraid to cancel projects or shut teams down.One of the first things Phil did as Xbox CEO was cancel shit like the Phantom Dust reboot and Scalebound. Scalebound in particular is something people never let go of, despite the fact that Kamiya continues to confirm it was his fault it failed by getting too ambitious for what was possible with his team, or the fact that every time it was shown off it ran at like 20fps, or the fact that every time it was shown off it was a different subgenre of action game, and after that point Phil adopted this flawed mantra of just letting his teams work and expecting good games to come and this lead to nothing but overspending that demanded far more drastic consequences with cancellations and closures when the music finally stopped.You had staff from Arkane Austin who were hoping Phil was going to see Redfall for what it was and cancel the game no one wanted to make and instead he told them to keep going because he didn't want to "invalidate the work these teams were doing before we acquired them" like some fucking hippy instead of acting like a proper boss with a steady hand.
>>741283487I don't do anything though
>>741311942Yeah fair, the Arkane people had their hand forced. The point was mostly just that it was a talented studio that got turned into fucking dust because the Management wanted to make them an attractive buyout target. They could have been making the next Dishonoured style game and instead they're gone. What a fucking waste.Microsoft gets all kinds of shit for how they run their companies, but even back in ye olde days with Rare, they were incredibly hands off. They gave them a huge amount of resources and trust, and then the companies just turned in absolute dogshit. It's kind'a funny and sad, because all we ever hear is about publishers and owners ruining studios by overmanaging them and getting in the way of the Devs and Microsoft very explicitly didn't do that, and yet the companies they brought all went from turning out gold to turning out trash. We'll see if Bethesda can turn it around.I guess kickstarter was the other major example of that. Hey, turns out unlimited time and budget doesn't get you anything. You actually need project management.
>>741283487I tried it because I liked the art direction and yeah, anons who said it needed a campaign were right. Extraction mode gets boring very quickly, sure the highs are high and getting into tense shootouts where two or more teams try to outmanoeuvre each other while paying attention to the environmental hazards feels great but 90% of the game is just going around empty rooms and cleaning desks, lockers, caches or boxes for rubbish you can sell for like 50 in game cents a piece and sometimes getting ambushed by niggers using invisibility potion or just camping for days around extraction relays.The UI is a fucking travesty, it might be serviceable for consoles but it's slow, inefficient and lacks basic features for PC, there are no presets, no filters, no search bar, all gun mods look samey, all consumables look like each other, managig your inventory takes ages and you manage your inventory a lot because you want different things for different shells (characters) and you have to grab like twenty different items every time, there isn't even a button for "give me a stack of healing items and a stack of ammo for my weapons".Also every day you get some free items and you can't simply click " redeem all rewards" or anything, you have to manually scroll to the item, press lmb for like 2 seconds and watch a little animation. And repeat. 20, 30 times per day.Oh, and interacting with items in your eq resets the scroll to the top every single time which it's fucking infuriating. But don't worry, they will fix it, last patch they put multiselect in, barely three months afrer release!
>>741312506Yeah, overall there's two lessons leadership in the industry has still failed to fully grasp yet.1. The most valuable asset out of any project that sees release is the development team itself. The project itself is the culmination of whatever chemistry and expertise that was fostered out of that environment, and for any project that comes out and does well, its in one's best interest to keep that team together at all costs. Consistent teams build consistently good games. Destiny and Marathon both suffered from one title taking from the other. Marathon at most should have been a handful of key leadership staff that want to make something new, and then an entirely new team of new staff rather than poaching from Destiny. Anet learned this lesson when making GW3, entirely new team outside of art and the director, so GW2 gets to coexist peacefully as a result. Hell, Yacht Club almost died from splitting their core team in 2 to make Mina and a 3D shovel knight at the same time.2. Strong leadership with a clear vision is necessary, without a stead hand and a focused goal its easy for staff to spend a fuckton of time and money producing nothing. Bungie suffered from this as well with making prototypes with no real purpose.
>>741312506>all we ever hear is about publishers and owners ruining studios by overmanaging them and getting in the way of the Devs and Microsoft very explicitly didn't do that, and yet the companies they brought all went from turning out gold to turning out trash. We'll see if Bethesda can turn it around.The whole fiasco has somewhat changed how I view that matter. I was confident that if studios were supported financially and encouraged to do their best that they...would. Turns out almost none of them did. Ever. Fucking insane, really, how lazy and incompetent they became without somebody cracking a whip.
Just rumors though
>>741311557If true, that's some hilariously petty self destructive behavior.>I know we live in the same house, but since you clogged the kitchen sink by being careless when cooking, I'm going to clog our only toilet! Hah, take that!
>>741284228You can't use that kind of logic when Marathon's all time peak was lower than the release numbers of Destiny 2's worst performing expansion.
>>741313182That only applies to the Western industry, which for some reason still treats its developers like disposible trash. Meanwhile, Nintendo still has people working in the company that made Super Mario and Capcom has people there from all the way back in Street Fighter 2. They challenge for them is in promoting new talent up while still fostering the old institutional knowledge through, but that's a far better challenge than just constantly recycling all your Devs every project.
I only play chinese games
>>741313880but japan is basically the same as china
>>741312506Dishonored was already shit after 1 so it's not a big loss either way.
>>741313694That's retarded take because Japanese companies are known to provide employment for life, it's not something they do out of respect specifically in vidya industry
>>741313694The Japanese literally cannot by law treat their employees in the same way that other countries do. Corporations are obligated to exhaust all other avenues of cost reduction before resorting to redundancies. The tradeoff to that is that it's almost impossible for one party to end the working relationship without the consent of the other unless there's extenuating circumstances like misconduct or negligence. Those people from "all the way back" are madogiwazoku, 'old men by the window', because it's easier to give useless employees no work until they're forced to retire than find pretense to fire them.
>>741313880Based and Correct.
>>741313974I play muv luv girl's garden too actually, but only for the sex scenes, the gameplay is ass, japanese games just have ass gameplay, I haven't played an atelier game since Ryza either, it's like japan just gave up on trying to provide any decent gameplay experiences, only china does that nowadays
>>741314015>>741314028It doesn't matter why they do it, the fact is that doing it works to their advantage. >Those people from "all the way back" are madogiwazoku, 'old men by the window', because it's easier to give useless employees no work until they're forced to retire than find pretense to fire them.No they're not, Mario Wonder had Devs from Super Mario working on it.
>>741314243Working how? You can put anyone in the credits
>>741313694And it should be telling that the western studios that have learned and practice these lessons are also the ones that have continued to enjoy long term success. It should also be telling that when Pete Parson left Bungie as CEO, Sony did not replace him with a new CEO.
>>741283936retard
>>741284778>Destiny 2 was finished, nothing wrong with ending it.>spend 10 years making a game>finish it>shut it down>there is nothing retarded with this
>>741314323It's the same with Capcom, when they made SF6 they pulled staff that'd worked on SF3, 4 and 5 to make it. Plus from Monster Hunter's going back two decades.
>>741314398They aren't shutting the game down but they are shutting down development.The totally insane part is they aren't even going to leave a skeleton crew around to do bug fixing, they are 110% ending all dev work on it.When has any other studio done something this fucking retarded?
>>741314398Why would you even voice your opinion if you clearly have no idea how destiny worked?
>>741314539say that again?
>>741314323NTA but Miyamoto was a supervisor (we can both agree a likely more superficial role) Tezuka as producer (more substantial role, was assistant directer on the original mario bros) and you had an old designer as a special level designer and advisor and of course Koji Kondo on the music, only of the guys had a ceremonial special thanks credit. The fact that Nintendo is having a spree of retirement announcements for staff who've been working at the studio for 40+ fucking years is genuinely a massive achievement in this industry and the long-term success Nintendo gained as a result should be treated as a north star for others to follow. You will genuinely never see retirement announcements with tenures that long outside of Japan for likely an entire generation.Oh, and a reminder that when the question was asked at Bungie on if the executive board would be willing to practice studio austerity in their pay to help keep the studio out of the red while they stabilize Destiny and Marathon instead of layoffs, they were told "Bungie is not that kind of studio"Needless to say, I hope Pete goes the rest of his fucking life looking over his shoulder every time he needs to fill his car up with gas in public.
>>741314532I would count buying bungie, and most of concord as more retarded.
>>741314796>The fact that Nintendo is having a spree of retirement announcements for staff who've been working at the studio for 40+ fucking years is genuinely a massive achievement in this industryIn "this industry", maybe, in "legacy Japanese companies that aren't imminently going bankrupt" absolutely not. See all of the old zaibatsu that have in some form survived to the present day.
>>741283487Just saw a vid saying there's going to be a bloodbath in the industry. What's happening?
>>741283629The reason they are cutting staff is because they have 0 future projects planned. You don't cut staff if your development studio is healthy and you have other projects in the pipeline.
>>741315002Chickens coming home to roost, basically. Most of it is Microsoft cleaning house because almost every single one of the Microsoft Game Studios have been releasing flops, and papa Microsoft seems to be done with it. Then in the background, you have Sony probably cutting Bungie in half, but that's been rumored for a month now.
>>741309074The original point> there is no such thing as a job where more cooks in the kitchen is goodIs provably wrong.
>>741314796>Needless to say, I hope Pete goes the rest of his fucking life looking over his shoulder every time he needs to fill his car up with gas in public.My man, Pete has more cars than there are days in a month, and has gas pumps at his house. Good luck ever spotting him at a gas station.
>>741307554>Sony did a tax write off on Concord and got between 40 and 60% of dev costs back.Holy fucking lmao
Chances that the new gay looking Horizon multiplayer game actually gets released?
>>741315002Billions must go back to servings fries.
>>741315002Covid happened. 2020 work from home, "essential employees", lockdowns, etc. Led to a massive surge in online gaming. This created record profits across the industry. Also at the time for US studios, studios could collect federal funding for their employees salaries through ppp loans. The more employees you had, the more federal money you got. So shit loads of money coming in, companies weren't having to pay their employees themselves, because the taxpayer was footing the bill. So almost all US studios began rapidly expanding during that time. When MS and Sony made it known they wanted to buy studios, the game became bloating your studio as much as one could, to increase the sale price. The industry is just correcting down to pre-covid levels for studio sizes.
>>741314926I don't think there is much room for debate on this. The results speak for themselves. Maybe things may turn for the worst if they are not successful in fostering the growth of the next generation of creatives. This is not even a discuss of wage gaps between North America and the east, because even within the west you have plenty of studios that grew massively from these business practices and in some cases even still enjoy long-term successLike this isn't even some liberal hippy argument against corporations, from a purely capitalistic perspective, I believe studios as a whole would make more money, see consistent success, and a faster rate of production if they all positioned themselves in a way that make a conscious effort to keep successful teams together. Doing something like SE did with keeping 1 team together between 3 AAA JRPG projects with the 7 remake project allowed them to release 3 games in 7 years, faster turnarounds mean less overhead cost means smaller budgets means less risk and more products for the consumer.
We might need another covid to save the gaming industry tbhdesu
>>741315165The easier play is to catch him at one of the auto shows.
The progressive project in gaming has officially failed. Gamergate won.
>>741315434It'll release and flop hard
>>741315650He's not debating you regarding the results you stupid nigger, he's saying nintendo isn't keeping old employes around out of respect, they are obligated to by law.You humongous fucking retard.
Didn't care for bungie after odst to be honest with you family
>>741284228Alright diddy blud, now tell us how popular Marathon is.
>>741316689Marathon being a failure doesn't somehow make destiny not a failure
>Marathon has been a success and it's only online chud losers hating on it and posting steam charts
>>741303171thats a really good picture
>>741283487>Companies are willing to bet the house, spend and lose hundreds of millions of dollars, shutter dev teams, and lose all of their izzat all before they allow small teams with 10-20m budgets to make AA games that could be breakout hits or at worst lose 20m if its completely DOAI know the goal is to have the infinite money printer game, but at some point having a team of ~1000 people and only spinning a single plate that will determine if you get food or not tomorrow will never not be so astronomically retarded to me that i can barely believe its real. I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt have such a large team not working on 4-5 games that all release a year or so out from each other and stagger any big losses that might come your way.Marathon itsself is so anemic that it is put to shame by ps2 games in terms of content. Its actually embarrassing that it released with 3 maps (the 4th to be a night varriant L M A O), no storymode, no traditional tdm, ffa, ctf, etc style modes, focusing on one of the most unpleasant, sweaty genres meant for masochists in fps possible, with an extremely polarizing, plagiarized artstyle and then demand 40 fucking dollars for it then later crying that you need to support marathon if you dont want bungie to be atomized like they shouldve been a decade ago. It is honestly baffling that there quite literally isnt something else in the pipeline for bungle and to end up in that spot just speaks to the incompetence that exists in the current industry.
>>741285621>Mara cumback has to...>cruxI will also study the paid shills
>>741285517who are these people that idle on the menu(s) during maintenance for hours? i get banshees wailing at me it isn't bots but who the fuck is it?
>>741283487>850 employees>To basically make bottom of the barrel expansions and a game with literally a single map and no contentWhat did they mean by this?Did they do the average having 10 layers of middle management bullshit most big murican companies suffer from?
>>741317776people randomly logging in/waiting? D2 reached like 20k during last week's maintenace.
>>741299484>The folly is that they're simply incorrect on this. Destiny does not need a new game, it just needs a new version of Destiny on an updated version of it's engine designed to actually sustain long-term game development.The engine destiny and marathon use is pretty terrible by modern standards so I'm sure if was at all easy Marathon would function much differently. On a base level it is so retardedly frustrating to navigate menus with mouse and keyboard it's almost unreal, the Marathon the UI doesn't even tell you which buttons you might have bound to two actions simultaneously and you can't even see all the bindings without scrolling which is bush league shit let alone whatever the hell your expectations are for updating it
>>741317841600 diversity hires working on shit like "improved virtual afrocentric hair"
must not gigaquote....
>>741316889I mean the game is great and fun af to play how is anything outside of that my concern (its not)
>>741283549But I didn't do anything
>>741319351anon confirmed for economic jihadist
>>741283487if they wouldve made the game for me it wouldve done better but they didnt so. bad luck, try again next time if sony doesnt put them in a hydraulic press one by one first
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>741283487Why do online chud losers hate this game though?
>>741320328Hate is too strong of an emotion for what people feel about marathon. Everyone just enjoys watching it fail, after predicting that it would fail. Makes you feel good being right.
>>741321590But you are an online loser chud, aren't you
>>741322003I wouldn't say so, i'm online but i've got a wife, kids, a farm, 6 fig salary, etc. I'm just not marathon's target audience.
>>741320328it's tranny coded and the gameplay loop is about raping and getting raped
Honestly the continued story of Marathon is so funny. Bungie and the game keeps hitting new lows every week and yet the cope from Marathon shills is still going.What's it like living in fantasy-land I wonder?
>>741322537just wait for season 3 with the PVE content!!
I still feel like frankie is the root cause of a lot of problems in general
>>741311557Most based thing Sony has ever done if true.
>>741322537>it's shutting down in a month btw
>>741295939Make a new game.Gotcha. Better yet sunset Destiny 2 slowly or go full A realm reborn with it and just reuse destiny 2 assets and new assets to make a destiny 3 where everyone starts from the ground up.
>>741323015You fags keep pretending that because it didn't get shutdown immediately then it's somehow a success. Sony can't afford to shut this down in the same manner as Concord, they've already lost so much money. But as the game loses more and more players and the bill keeps going up, they will have to pull the plug at some point. Welcome to Concord 3.
>>741284161>>741285481holy kek
>>741323348>t-they have to pull the plug at some point. I know it's losing money. They have to...
Is sony really banking on the "Engoodening" meme for marathon?
>>741323842>i know sony has reported 700+ million in loses, and they just fired half their staff, but the game is a success!!! somehow...
>>741323348>it's literally concord 3 in this scenario that i made upokay lmao
>>741323986what scenario did i make up? the game is still losing players. the bill will keep going up.please never start a business.
>>741323986Only 172 employees were fired because of concord. By this metric marathon rates 2.2 on the Concordian scale.
>>741324142>Marathon is Concord because Destiny devs are getting firedAlso... "Concordian scale"? Take your fucking meds dude lmao.
>>741323986Positions for the drive thru window are open, go apply.
>>741323983It's the same kind of 'here's how Hillary can still win..' energy from the defeated cucks in 2016 on election night lmao
>>741309226>sounds unironically gayer than most gays>has a wifeWhat even is this guy
>>741325234more like>they've got blumpf this time for real
>>741325431a faggot his cartoon avatar that's supposed to be him looks like an entirely different person and the contrast is startling and the fact he uses it unironically should clue you into how actually deeply mentally unwell he is
>>741284228This is the kind of fucking retard they have making the decisions at Bungie, otherwise I dont understand
>>741325796no one wants to play a 15 year old game as queer wizard robots in a dress dipshit
>>741319351That’s the spirit.
>>741313182Consistent teams are the death of good videogames. People moving from studio to studio and the Brownian motion of their interactions are how you get genre-defining hits which break the mold like Star Control 2, Baldur's Gate 2, Halo, etc. Otherwise people only make the games they are used to making which is why Activision has 3 studios working on COD. Game developers need to rotate between companies in order for the medium to evolve otherwise it will just become Hollywood.
>>741325913but they're not hiring those same actually talented people anonsame as hollywoodif you're good and thikn outside of the box, you're literally not allowed in becuae you'll expose their obvious 3 card monte game the entire industry has been playing since the mid 10's
>>7413170604-5 games released in a 5 year period is 5 very easy ways to lose 5 times. It's much more efficient to make one very good investment than it is to make 5 shitty investments. That's why you don't spend $1000 on lottery cards. You spend that $1000 at the Craps table.
>>741283629Kek
>>741326121its why time tested phrases like>count your chickens before they hatch>put all of your eggs into one basket>bet all of it on one horse>leverage your betsare still common and used today and generally considered good advice
>>741285621AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! HOW IS HE GOING TO SAVE FACE?!?!
>>741283487My honest reaction
>>741317060that is kinda sorta what Sony itself was doing by buying so many studiosI do find the lack of output particularly odd given how regular the industry used to be with game releases
Destiny lifers are getting what they deserve. The fact that you guys didn't drop that game after the switch to mobile game F2P garbage monetization AND sunsetting content that you already paid for, this is what happens. In a just world, they would've ended support for D2 shortly they got bought out by Activision because every single person should have outraged by the switch to F2P.
>>741285231I'm having a #BLAST making the signatures number go up. That's all that matters, right?
My fellow blasters, this means war. Set blasters to maximum....
>>741302561it's actually much worse than thissince bungie got them to kill multiple other projects that were in production, buy other studios etc.the games they cancelled i bet were actually good
>>741329845>microsoft sent bungie in as a double agent to fuck over sony as much as possiblewould be kino if true
>>741283487Chuds won Marathon Jew tranny shills lost
>>741283487get fuckedget absolutely fuckedFAFO
>>741284568what's also great is his last name literally means "screamer" in german lol
>>741313346It's Japan and their you should fall on your own sword/seppuku mentality. Remember when Nintendo forced the guy that created the Gameboy to step down and retire because the Virtual Boy flopped?
>already back to end of season 1 player countswhere's the PVE mode, bungie?
>>741334395Season 3they just gotta hold out till then
>>741322703this, just you chuddy buddies wait, marathon will have its r6 siege comeback
>>741334937>it'll get good in two years, just you wait!Will bungie be alive for that long though?
>>741303171GOOD THING: AND THAT'S A
>>741334937>you can see of the chart that it was already rising slowly even though ubisoft had it's own launcher impressive how well siege did
>>741334937joking aside, the amount of things needed to right to replicate a Siege is next to impossible. Bungie would have better luck buying a bunch of lottery tickets and hoping they win their money back.
>>741336847They don't have the staff to even try. They don't have the vision of a Tom clancy, with decades of games to model from.
>>741283925because Destiny 2 never made any fucking money and was a shit game
>>741299501>here on /v/ideo gaymesreddit also hate it
>>741339017You're a retard.
>>741303045>creating a competitive PvP shooter already drives comparisons and questions as to how it relates to Destiny which already has PvPDestiny has completely dogshit PvP no one enjoys because it turns out looter shooters focused on making new OP weapons every few months to grind out doesn't work that great with PvP balance and it just becomes FotM grind bullshit
>>741339290I'm informed, you aren't. Destiny 2's income was dogshit. Having any amount of players is meaningless if you aren't making money of it, which they barely ever were.
>>741339358You are a retard.
>>741339393Sorry you don't like the truth.
>>741334395Experimental PvE only mode starts midseason i believe. Full release Season 4 or 5, i cant remember. I just hope they separate the sandboxes. I can see normies getting addicted to a proper PvE only mode. The survival mode is cool, but 20mins is too short and the loot is dogshit.
>>741339438You just have absolutely no clue what you are talking about but are acting like you do. i.e. you are retarded.
>>741339478I know exactly what I'm talking about. Destiny 2 had terrible financial returns almost all of its existence. Full stop. Even with all the monetization crammed into it year over year over year it still didn't generate returns to keep the company afloat. More expansions than not didn't hit earnings expectations and the entire reason Bungie got bought by Sony is because they weren't going to last independently, retard.
>>74133947420 minutes is honestly too long when you know what you're doing in the mode except on Marsh
>>741339572The Eververse was making close to $300 million a year for multiple years. D2 was profitable enough to get 4 expansions and fund 6 incubation projects and grow Bungie from 700 employees to over 1,600. You don't know what you are talking about. You are going off of a misunderstanding of something an ex-community manager said who has already been called out by multiple people saying she's spewing bullshit for attention. YOU ARE A RETARD.
>>741339358This is actually true, the latest update was free, and since the game is officially dead, who the fuck is gonna spend money on eververse? Such a useless rallying campaign lmao
>>741339685Don't samefag you fucking faggot.
>>741339474>PvE only modeholy fucking CASUAL
>>741283680>>741284132>>741284568The other thing those jewtube videos revealed is his actual-faggot gay-voice. I had no idea he was a cock sucker too
>>741339684You're pulling one figure from 7 years ago which is a gross profit figure that reflects nothing about how much was actually profit over operating costs, and that was the very height of the game - it went completely downhill after that one year of return. Just about every year after their RoI projections weren't met (by increasingly larger amounts). Once again, there's a reason they had to get bought by Sony. And since Sony they haven't turned the ship around in the slightest, just worse returns.
>>741296793>Running costs are a function of staff size and serversYou say that but this is bungie we're talking about. A developer who cut entire older sections of the game out (that people paid for) because it was "getting too big". It wouldn't surprise me if they have some retarded shit set up for running it that you can't even imagine.
>>741283487Maratroon has like 10k daily players: and this was supposed to be their cash cow, the money maker. Sony is probably imagining how badly their less profit oriented games would do.
>>741283925Wasn't destiny and marathon about the same prior to the cancellation?
>>741284568
>>741339871They cut out the old portions because they didn't want to update it to new lightning tech and (presumably) bloat the file sizeThis decision alone however is possibly the biggest bite in the ass Bungie ever had. That was the moment to make Destiny 3, but apparently they simply couldn't (because Bungie is a studio managed by complete fucking retards who have always, always, always burned through money like they don't give a fuck).
>50%Rookie numbers. Gotta pump them.
>>741304825If a 6hr campaing costs 200mil, you are doing something very wrong.
>>741340141a 6 hour campaign of actual setpieces and dialogue and scripting costs a lot of money and time200mil? definitely too much. But a AAA game campaign is gonna cost millions in dev time easily. They specifically wanted something quicker to turn around content for which is why they went with a predominantly PVP game.
>>741339684hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>741304825It's a 60 dollar game that is multiplayer only.
>>741340397It's a 40 dollar game that is multiplayer only**easy to get for 25% off since day 1
>>741299501there were least dozens of us giving critiques of the dogshit head in ass design of the gameplay too but i am not rehashing that, i already forgot most of my gripes with the game aside from the dogshit ui, the boring ass npc ai bungie have been using since 2004, how i can't tell the difference between live players and bots when shooting shit in closed quarters, how each robot doesn't have a unique UI element of some sort like crosshair/visor or some shit so i don't think im about to throw out a healing drone but whoops i grappling hooked to my teammate instead, that somehow in this year of our lord 2026 the voip icon isn't attached to my teammates head and so on and so on
>>741340548if you can't tell players from bots that's completely on youholy fuck you are really complaining you forgot which character you selected to play astry and read what you wrote from another perspective man holy shit what a dumbass complaint
>>741340548>I have actual arguments but uhhhhhhhh i forgotwow
>>741305595Have’d
>>741340658judging by the rest of his arguments it was that there simply wasn't enough yellow paint and handholding
>>741311417>bungie will be made the fall guy for all of Sony's gaas flopsThe 3,6bil acquisition makes sense now: a scapegoat is worth any money for the suits. Now don't get me wrong, maratroon is a colossal fuckup, but Sony has been doing the same shit before bungie.
>>741299501The game looks fuck ugly.
>>741341252I can't fathom having such shit taste, the look of the game is easily one of the more compelling things about it
>>741283487I love being an economic terrorist.
>>741341534How can you be so evil? People who hate you will lose their jobs!
>>741341601IM DA JONKLER BABY
>>741341601hell yeah gamers rise up it's time to cast off the oppression!!
>>741341534But people had already paid and were playing Destiny 2? How did gamers forced Bungie to ~ACK half their staff?
>>741341889because actually people weren't playing and paying for destiny 2that's kind of why it's done
>>741341281The horrible art style and UI is the number one turn off for the vast majority of people.If the gameplay was fixed you still wouldn’t see a massive uptick in players because the game is just unappealing.
>>741342116I think that's pretty much the opposite of reality actually but frankly I don't careyou specifically just have really bad taste
>>741283487Put another one on the board, lads.
>>741342227Continue to live in your bubble ig, enjoy your plastic dildo game kek
>>741342290please enjoy the next generic military shooter with absolutely zero style
>>741342326I will, and it will sell 10x more and the devs won’t get fired kek
>>741342426sorry about your awful taste againsorry you get more joy out of how much a game sells than playing it yourself but I also can't relate to that either honestly
>>741342536how does it feel knowing everybody rejected your vision? nobody likes you. nobody wants you.
>>741342704are you okay retard?I just play video games, have you tried it
and I don't mean marathon I just mean you knowany video games
>>741342720>>741342759did you not read the reply chain?
>>741342771yeah so is that a no or what, I recommend them they can be pretty fun
>>741342801>so retarded you can’t even read a reply chain correctly>still feel the need for passive aggressive sarcasm
>>741342840so no? just interested in this as a culture war battleground by proxy?saying you will play the next generic military shooter game isn't saying you play games btw
>>741342894What’s even the point of this retarded like of posting?If I tell you I play escape from tarkov, will you just crumble into dust?
>>741342943I don't know I think the same thing about >>741342704post like I'm some bungie devare you just fried in the brain? I mean you know I'm fucking with you so you aren't a complete retard just a little bit of one I'm just figuring out how much
>>741341281>the look of the game is easily one of the more compelling things about it
>>741342975sorry I live under too much of a rock to have any idea what sort of insult this image is supposed to be
>>741342974Why does the fact that people are turned off by the Fischer Price cyberpunk artstyle bother you so much?
Every wokeslop games must die
>>741341987>because actually people weren't playing and paying for destiny 2It got a DLC launch back in December that has at least 1,000 confirmed purchases on Steam and it is currently doing 60k players at the moment of this post vs the 4,800 active players of Marathon.That is 12x the number of players.
>>741343028well you say it like it really bothers me and I'm not just posting for giggles, but because stylized games are more interesting than blending into the generic mass of bullshit that's existed for decadeslike it, don't like it, I don't actually care, but it's just like Wind Waker came out and tons of little tweens said it was gay because muh cartoon instead of sugoi self insert chadfantasy Link like TP returned toI appreciate literally any game that dares to stand out (and in this case I particularly enjoy the art)
>>741343101hey anon, why does it have 60k players now? Could it be an end of life patch pulling everyone back?one thousand whole confirmed purchases for a DLC? stop the fucking presses that's almost enough to pay one team member's annual salary
>>741283549
>>741343191That is based on the reviews of the last DLC piece released from Steam, so you have to account for all the people who don't review their games and multiple storefronts and platforms.So a single DLC piece got more sales than Marathon got players at this very moment.
>>741343381and yet it sold so badly it's why bungie is in the state they're indestiny 2 has done nothing but bleed money the entire time Sony has had them
>>741343162The difference is that Wind Waker looks good and had actual thought put into its design and Marathon decidedly doesn’t.
>>741343528Marathon has quite a lot of thought put into its art design howeverbeitfully.
Where's that leftist who kept spamming the chuds lost because "you said Marathon would be shut down in 2 weeks".
>>741343760>/v/ - The Culture War
>>741343579there was a lot of thought but the thought was not of a very high quality
>we DON'T need you, CHUDS!But it looks like they actually did lol....
>>741344054I should take your word for it as you're a master of low quality thoughts but I have my reservations
>>741344114why do you think the game isn't popular outside of america?
>>741283487Haha get fucked faggots.
>>741344304why would I ever care?
>>741343312how do people make these videos without being completely embarrassed of themselves?
>>741344330because its an interesting aspect of the game that affects gameplay?
>>741344374not really?are you implying games need global audiences for some reason?I mean I know this is really just a round about way of coming back to the "umm don't you care the game only has x amount of players" and no I don't, it doesn't really impact me very much because I'm not making money off the game, I just play it bro
>>741344424if you don't live in america your experience playing the game is objectively worse, since its a live service in case you forgot. so I find it an interesting question.
>>741344657but I live in americaamerican website and allwhy would I care
>>741344687because this game is multiplayer?
>>741343034Marathon is less woke than the current game you are playing right now, guarantee it.
>>741344761So what? It really has very little impact on me. I've enjoyed MP games that probably never reached the amount of concurrent players Marathon has hit (literally no way to tell), and I did so for years and years.You have a dozen-ish people in a match, the player numbers have to get to 1k and lower for it to present any real problems other than some longer queue times in off hours and off maps. Have you only ever played chart topping MP games?
>>741344867but still, I doubt any of those MP games you played had players heavily skewed towards one specific region.
>>741344790Okay, you've made a guarantee; what compensation are you going to give now that you're already wrong?
>>741344914I mean it absolutely did and all of Oceania got fucked forever basically even when they finally added Oceanic servers. It had a small Euro contingent but most people were absolutely NA based.Why would I give a fuck if Euros and Asians are playing? I'm not playing when they are most of the time to begin with. There's more than enough people for me to play the game. So: why would I personally give a fuck?
>>741344978do you ever think about anything other than your own personal enjoyment?
>>741345001I do not worry for even one second whether euros I've never met are getting the same personal enjoyment out of my video game of choice noI think about others when it actually matters, not when I can 1) do nothing about it 2) it has no impact on me 3) it's a video game and if people can't play it I care about as much as if they didn't like the toy their mom bought them for christmas
>>741345053so you don't find it interesting to ponder why the rest of the world has rejected this game? what a shame. you need to broaden your horizons.
>>741345081why would I care?are you constantly worried about what other people in the world think of your particular entertainment choice? that sounds exhausting man, maybe you should just let your entertainment entertain you instead of having so much baggage.
>see a marathon thread and get reminded that the game exists>type "marathon steam charts" into google>"yep, still going down">close the thread and forget all about it until the next oneit's become somewhat comforting, like the sun rising from the west. it just feels right and makes me happy to see
>>741344937Post your game, pussy. You wont.
>>741345139Path of Exile 2. What's the compensation, nigger?
>>741345169nta but sorry I found a youtube thumbnail decrying it as woke so it's over for you
>>741345125>why would I care?because its an interesting question?>are you constantly worried about what other people in the world think of your particular entertainment choice?no? whats with the weird projection?
>>741345213I'm not interested in youtuber niggers looking to make ad revenue. I've played it for 263 hours and am yet to find anything that sets off my alarms.
>>741345229I don't see much interesting about it nor do I even have any data to support the popularity it has in any country to have any meaningful conversation about it and am unwilling to just go off "trust me bro" vibesdo you think it's better for games to appeal to as many people as possible? Should all games, especially MP games, be marketed to as many people and regions as possible?personally I don't think so, so I don't care.
>>741283487I play Marathon and it's more chill in S2 than it was in 1, but it's obvious the game is unsustainable. It also, desperately, needs more content. More maps, enemy variety, and some kind of real PVE mode. They have the experience and it's baffling that they refuse to integrate one.Bungo also made it too easy to level up so now they're putting the lid back on but it's a fucking trash experience to start a raid and get out with scraps. They are so SHIT at this game's design it's embarassing.Also 16k active players on a good day. Lmao even.
>>741345251sorry but you're a wokoid nowenjoy your LGBTPOE++ slop
>>741283629You might not believe this, but 425 people is still too many people for this game, unless they're cooking another game, that's just unsustainable.Hell, fucking 850 people, and taking into account they had already fired 200 some time ago, were too many people for the quality and quantity of shit they were outputting.
>>741345267>Should all games, especially MP games, be marketed to as many people and regions as possible?if its had 4 billion dollars invested into it, then yes
>>741345305LGBT means Let's Go Bomb Tel Aviv.
>>741345345why, are you an investor? I'm notI don't care how much money went into it, I'm only playing the product bro. Why would the amount of money a game took to make change my mind on that? once again I'm not an investor. I don't care.
>>741345169There’s niggers, women, and you get to play as furries too. You lose.
>>741345382I care about other people. Hundreds of people are going to lose their jobs and life is going to become very stressful for them because the artists were bad at their jobs
>>741345424If you called a Maori a nigger he'd eat you, just so you know.
>>741345425the artists did good work and the people who worked on Marathon are largely gonna be the people who remain since you knowit's the game that they're still supportingmaybe you should be less personally invested in a video game studio's success or failure, businesses fuck up all the time, people all across the world lose their jobs every dayhalf the gaming sector as a whole is going to be out of a job in the next monthshit happens man, you can drop the weird fake concern troll angle that isn't fooling anyone
>>741283487>GAAS cancer finally dies with a last BRAAAAAAAAAAAP while its resident addicts foam at the mouth so glad I do not huff the GAAS
>>741304684you are a welfare nigger
>name your game marathon>it starts with a large number of participants that slowly but surely get whittled down until only a few remain and it takes a long time to complete die
>>741345505>the artists did good workno they didn't lolanyway have fun with your game dying, I'm sure you won't care at all since you're such a cool detached guy
>>741345458Not before a bucket of fried chicken. Guarantee it.
>>741345550pretty much the highest praised segment of it next to the map design but sure lol I'll have fun with it and I'll move on bro, it's a video game. Experiences don't last forever and getting too invested in the success or failure of something you have zero control over is for retards.
>>741283487This game looks lame and gay. I'm never going to play it.
>>741307589A lot of people have been realizing this recently
xisters... i dont feel so good...
>>741345694FLOOR GANG
>>741345694Are both peaks US east/west? I guess if you're in Asia the game is going to matchmake you with 200+ ping
>>741345694what happened here? how do we recapture the magic?
>>741345281it took 300 devs 8 years to make like 6 heroes and 2 maps, this game is fucked
>>741345871f2p week extended edition
>>741344347Because they're not paid to do so
>>741345903they completely restarted at least once then dramatically changed a lot about it later on again too, but you probably knew that
>>741345991apparently the same happened with avowed and south of midnight, it seems the entire american games industry is just horrifically managed
>>741283487And Sony spent BILLIONS on these fucking retards.Still blows my mind just how fucking dumb everything is.
I don't understand the hate on this game? Where is it coming from? Right now i am upset of the D54, but otherwise the game is very unique, engaging and atmospheric.
>>741346081>trend chasing gaas slop with plagiarized art style is "unique...and atmospheric" lol
>>741283487Chuds did this. Why are they so evil?
[CONCERN ARGUMENT #24, DELETE THIS LINE WHEN POSTING]I don't understand the hate on this game? Where is it coming from? Right now i am upset of the D54, but otherwise the game is very unique, engaging and atmospheric.
>>741346023most of the big american corpo studios are completely fucked and have terrible management and bloated teams and way too many are coasting off prior releases. reminder that as bad as bungie is at managing their funds, the curse of halo hit 343/Halo Studios or whatever even harder. 200 bil for Marathon? how about multiple times that for infinity, literally fucking imagine a studio getting what might have been close to a trillion fucking dollars for 6 years of development to release that fucking gameIt's all fucked
who up blasting
If SKG can save the Marathon, I'll take them more seriously.
>>741345138See you under the season 3 thread btw
>>741308664>They called parsons an embezzling retard, DEMANDED their money back and got itDid they really get their billions of dollars back from him?
>>741340348>didnt meet expectationhmm okay, and marathon is?
>>741339017and marathon has? lol
Bump.
So, where is the comeback?
>>741310070The comparison with Mojang is flawed because Minecraft is good and M*ratroon isn't.
>>741351152It's coming. Currently they're focusing on consolidating good will within the player base so that, when Season 3 comes, they'll have eager brand ambassadors. Trust the process. Consistent decline is good because it means the haters are gone.
>>741285481how do i get that jawline??
>>741284161>>741285481lost
>>741351505>player baselollmao
>>741283629Your ignorance of how games are made is showing.
>>741345871We must assemble more dads
>>741283629That's not how it works.
>>741283629
>>741285481what did they feed him for a jawline like that?
>>741285621...like the holocaust
Rape bungie.
