>>741440134It is just a rehash of Persona, but without the teenie dating mechanics. Banging your character's MILF teacher was the only thing that fans of the series ever truly cared about.
>why would I buy Metaphor now Atlus will just release Metaphor ReFantazio Like a Simile in 2 years>can't rely on the "whoa it's like I'm a cool awesome Japanese high schooler instead of a fat loser in America" gimmick and no romance in general so filters basically 99% of the Persona audience that doesn't care about actual gameplayWhich is a shame because it's genuinely a better game than any Persona.
>>741440350Better how? Shit art direction, tiny enemy variety, simplified battle mechanics, dogshit shallow writing, railroaded class system, terrible dungeon design with reusable dungeons everywhere after the cathedral
Woke is over.
>>741440134Two big reasons.>Atlus ALWAYS releases an "ultimate version" so people learned to wait.>No romance.
>>741440324Either the teacher or the super under aged ones. Both are fun.
>>741440134>70 bucks for literally who? first game in series? (admittedly seems pretty good so it will be enjoyed by gamers)business fags please leave and stay go
>>741440134Isnt it normal these days for sales for new titles to fall off a cliff like that?
>>741440134Still can't find OJ's source where Sega said it flopped.Why are Xenotrannies mad at this game again?
Fatlus intentionally ignored everything that makes their games popular. You could maybe guess it was an experiment, and since it failed so hard they realized Persona has the formula down pat and P6 should not fuck with the proven formula that just werkz
>>741440134No romance mechanic. Strange decision too when you're fighting to become the King.
If you say something is metaphorically speaking, that makes it a similie.
>>741440134Not fun, no waifus, anime social politics doesn't hit and comes across as tone deaf.
>>741440936E33's sales already plateaud as well. It sold around 7m last year and it's only made it close to 9m recently. I would imagine it doesn't make it to 10m anytime soon.
>>741440134Metaflop fagtasio
>>741440134No romance.>But muh 3 eyed ugly girl.I wanted the white haired brown woman
Still waiting for a full version
>>741440134>no smt demons>shilled desperately by atlus west wokiesPretty much killed all interest in it for me
>>741440134No romance = no perpetual best girl discussions = game fades from public consciousness.
>>741440134JRPG fans will bitch and moan for new IPs or ideas, but they will never back it up with sales. They're peak consumers.
This shit REALLY should have been saved for a Persona game.
>>741440134people buy persona to date highschoolers
>put gaym on gaym pass>no one buys itwow
People realised it must be brain-dead garbage once Asmongoloid started glazing it.
>>741440134>no romance>worse art style than persona>pro immigrant messages
>>741440134woke sloptoo much clothing on the fairy
everything about it is tedious and designed to waste your timeif you've seen 1 dungeon you've seen them all if you've seen one npc interaction you've seen them all now repeat that for 50+ hours
>>741440134>no romance>there's inevitably going to be an enhanced version
>>741440134I played it and it was just kinda boring. Good music, but the loop and formula got stale very quick. It's literally Not-Persona and while I do understand Japan has a tendency to do what works over and over, this ain't it. It would have benefited greatly from changing things up since it was a standalone title, but it didn't. The story was also pretty meh, I saw some of the twists coming from a mile away. But even the gameplay is just more of the same. I'm glad I pirated it, wouldn't have been a good purchase for me. If P6 is just even more of the same then I'm not gonna bother checking it out, especially since it's usually not worth getting Persona games on release since they will pull a classic Capcom and eventually release Persona 6: Royalty Cock Knob Gold Edition anyway with a bunch of new shit as a separate release, something I also find retarded. The entire persona thing feels tired as fuck for me so maybe I'm not the best person to listen to about these games since P5 had already burned me out on all of it.
>>741440134because anime is cringe
How much choice range actually is there in the game's political spectrum?
>>741440134the dub was fucking awful, I played with japanese voices and the subtitles were all wrong, apparently the english version was woke as fuck. So thats probably why since murkafats have to play in dubs since they cant read.
>>741440134Post Rebirth sales
>>741442183What do you mean? Left vs right? That's a jew trick to get you to fight amongst yourselves.
>>741442214I played half with Japanese text half with English, it seemed accurate The writing is just shit at the source
>>741440324*it's a rehash of persona without monster collecting
>>741440134funny japan lifestyle is the core of the franchise so switching to medevil is not gonna do as wellbut both did well enough so who cares, if you wanna date cute girls just play the other game
reminder that these threads are being made by a resident jeet who constantly seethes 'bout itbut i guess that doesn't matter as long as it continues to push the made up narrative in faggots heads about it being dogshit and irrelevant
>>741442325I mean that a wide spread of different choices generate engagement between people who argue about which side they prefer moreLook at FNV Legionfags vs NCtards vs Housecucks vs illiterate Yes Men
>>741440134The Atlus formula is stale without teenagers, dating, catchy music and a striking UI. I honestly can't believe that Atlus wasted 8 years of development time to make this game.
>>741442183it praises diversity and mass immigration
>>741442175>because anime is cringeWrong. Try watching some good anime instead of playing cringey jrpgs with shit story.
>>741440134I don't know what it is, but there is something wrong with this game that makes it very boring to play. Everyone talks about the lack of romance or how it’s just another Persona game, but I don't think that’s the problem. I believe it is the world-building that ruins the experience, that and the music. The game takes place in the same generic medieval fantasy world that anyone who has watched an anime has already seen a thousand times. It is just boring.MC sucks too.
>>741440134No romances. That's why it flopped. What a retarded decision by the idiot devs.
>>741442183None. The protagonist is a pro-monarchy "communism will never work" neoliberal fighting a walking caricature of what liberals think anarchists are.
>>741440134Persona without the heart
>>741440134/v/ told me it was woke so I didn't buy it
>$70 for something that will get a $70 definitive edition two years down the line that could've just been DLCHope the flops continue until they start releasing the "Royal" and "Vengeance" editions as DLC and not entirely new games. Fuck them.
>>741441096Women got what they wanted with feminism, has any of this become true by now?>no
>no romanceok cool so it'll be like smt>nothing like smt either
>>741440324Agreed they made it too persona like without the mechanics that make it a great persona game. They should have gambled with more fantasy in my opinion also timing didn't help as it was released in the DEI era and may have made subtle concessions. Personally couldn't get past the music.
>>741440134Persona without waifufaggotrism, engrish catchy music and gay colors?, jeez i wonder why it flopped
Literally the Starfield of Atlus
>Hey Atlus, where is Persona 6?>"Soooo we have this brand new game here, we call it Metaphor: ReFantazio!">That's not Persona 6...>"Oh you want Persona? Here's Persona 4 Rewind! Starring all new voice actors to fuck with your childhood memories!">That's still not Persona 6.>"Fine, here's Persona 6. Happy?">Where's the gameplay, Fatlus?
This isn't even a real article and retards ITT haven't even noticed
>>741440134It's not particularly good. Combat is much more limiting despite being able to change all your party members "personas" and weapons. Story is toothless despite it's subject matter. Your racist party member gets over his shit real quick and it never becomes a actual problem for you the player (see Valkyria Chronicles). Like two good tracks in the whole game. Party barely interacts with eachother and are all incredibly bland. Environments are incredibly ugly and grainy, really showing off the disparity in their ui and actual in engine shit. I'm bitter that we didn't get shit resembling the concept art, usually a thing I hate when people bring up but getting diet persona instead of something new pissed me off.
>>741443047i'm sorry you're right, i do enjoy some anime but anime games are cringe
>game released under the last administration falls off under the current administrationWe don’t see the problem. Our mind has changed and we’re done with this nonsense. Why doesn’t Japan observe the political cycle before releasing games?
>>741440134>flopwould you call a cheap looking game like this one selling 2m copies a flop?
>>741440134Too woke.
>>741440134Is this character a boyIf yes then he is cute
>really shitty looking PS3 era game that is basically cliffnotes Persona 5>everybody knows Atlus is going to shit out a "better" version
>>741443982the game is still a flop so the point stands
>>741440324it's funny that we got this game because this just proves that between Persona and Metaphor and the begging for a College setting, we don't even have to guess that players just want to play a dating simulator and reddit specifically is just moralfagging.
>>741444445Persona 5 series sold almost 10 million total when you add both base game and Royal. Its not Soul hackers bad, but it means we won't see another re:fantazio or medieval westish fantasy SMT game for a while.
>>741443982>This isn't even a real articlehttps://gamerant.com/metaphor-refantazio-sales-lifetime-official-figures-dropoff-trend/
You either buy an Atlas game day 1 so you don't get spoiled on the story, or you wait until year 2 when the enhanced version comes out. Buying any time after release week but before the new edition is genuinely retarded.
>>741443982What do you expect from 4chuddies. They're brainless idiots that believe anything they see.
>>741440134>>741425169>>741425048>>741424968>>741424927>>741424792>>741424742>>741424686>>741424628Damn, I called it: >>741382342
>>741440134Because it carries the pretense of presenting a dialogue about politics and society and diversity, but has absolutely nothing interesting to say about any of these topics. It likes to allude to political concepts and ideologies but only examines them from the most pro-status quo neoliberal mindset. The only thing you can draw from the game is "democracy is good:)" Can't really expect much more from Hashino after all, this tracks with all his Persona games which like to allude to social issues but don't really give them meaningful examination. This is certainly no Disco Elysium.
>>741440134Because they made a game for the American "I love Persona gameplay but hate the icky problematic stuff" crowd
>sells over 2 million>"IT'S A FAILURE" says the dumb pajeetMetaphor 2 after Persona 6 is confirmed.
>>741443673Have sex incel
>>741445671You mean Metaphor Retold with two new social links
>>741445671>2 millionOnly 2 million?
>>741440134Should have made Methaphor ReSpirou or ReGaston instead, nobody cares about Fantasio.
>>741442183Zero. The plot is also basically just P5 again with shit shuffled around. In Metaphor, anxiety literally fuels power and the peasants don't want to solve their own problems so they put everything on the king (the system/demiurge) making him all-powerful, which works great until the king is a fuckup or dead or corrupt or whatever bad thing will inevitably happen to the one point of failure which causes the peasants to suffer because they end up with problems anyway and no power to do anything for themselves. The villain wants to pull a Wesker by returning the people's anxiety back to them, which will kill most of them but the strong will become stronger and be equals. The good guys can't have that, so they stop him but also don't really have a solution to the king problem so you just become the new demiurge while pretending the new system is somehow not exactly the same as the one that just caused hell for everyone.
>>741445159Who are you talking to?
It can't just be me who thinks Metaphor's writing and and narrative was fucking terrible?
>>741445671Persona will live on, but Metaphor is clearly dead.
>>741445932Don't worry, the guy I'm talking to knows.
>>741440134Atlus thinking they aren't hacks carried by soap opera romance
>>741445924The system was corrupt because the church had become corrupt after years of abuse, that's literally not a problem anymore.
>>741443047>says dumb shit>posts shit animePottery
>>741445924Preserving the status quo with the message of "things will get better if you believe :)" is pretty much the crux of neoliberalism
>>741445932Me, his archnemesis. Our battle will last until the end of time.
>>741445741Slightly over 2 million is good for a new IP.>>741445989Nah. Atlus is going to announce it shortly after Persona 6's release.>>741445702Nah. Atlus has understood the problem with releasing definitive editions. They will use DLC for this purpose going forward. Metaphor 1 is finished and won't receive any more updates, even though there clearly was a lot of unfinished content. A shame, of course. I would have loved to play it!Printscreen this post and keep it in a cupboard drawer for later engagement.
cause atlus hyped it up as some huge departure from any other series they've done and some huge new inventive franchise but reworked it into a safe persona game. the disappointment of how underwhelming the game really was after the gameplay reveal cannot be understated. it lost all hype and goodwill after that and never recovered.
Is there ever really any reason to play the first iteration of an Atlas game? just wait it out for the re-re-re release in 6 months with the last 30% of the game.
>>741444992>>741446262Who the fuck is Atlas and what did he do to Atlus?
>>741446151>Our battle will last until the end of time.
>>741446151>make fun of a guy who has done the same thing for 16 hours a day, every day, for over a year>actually, it's you, the guy making fun of the spammer, who is obsessedSure man
>>741441054It was at 5 million before goty awards and got to 8 million afterwards.It did amazingly well sales wise.
>>741445953I found the artstyle repulsive enough to deter me from even looking at the story>tolerance is a stat to level upanal sphincter grip strength would've been less pozzed.
>>741446189>Atlus has understood the problem with releasing definitive editionsI know they've said as much, but to be frank, I just don't trust Atlus to not be greedy. There is absolutely no way in hell they aren't double dipping on Persona 6.
>>741446148They didn't preserve the status quo, they literally cleaned house. The country isn't radically fixed but it's clearly going in a better direction than the shitshow it was in at the start.
>>741440134IDK uhhh QUICK! Release an update that gives all the females huge tits, hips, and BUTTOCKS.
>>741446493It's very much status quo in the context of real life politics. Remember that Metaphor is a political game that Hashino wants YOU to take something from. Obviously the corrupt JRPG church will be dealt with, because that kind of religious oppression isn't really a factor in the real world anymore.... well, it is, but not in the mind of your average neolib. Point being, the utterly drab conclusion of the game being "democracy is hella friggin epic, don't change anything or promote radical ideas!" is explicitly what you, the audience, are intended to learn from. Thus it is pro-status quo neolib nonsense.
>>741440134It was wokeslop that only got attention because it launched during election season, simple as.
>>741446262It really says a lot that most self-declared Atlus fans are not excited to play Atlus games on day one. They would rather wait for a deep sale of the "complete edition". lel
>>741445924See that's why the game's media presence died overnight, there were no choices for the players to argue over.Imagine if you could side with the bad guy and subvert the system to unlock a different ending, or maybe the demiurge you pick changes the world in different waysLook at Dark Souls players arguing about which snake to trust for more than a decade and you'll realize how much engagement potential was wasted
>>741440134Persona without the school content and a heaping dose of suicidal empathy messaging.
>>741446706>It's status quo because fuck you it is>Even if the entire political body was washed out for a new generation and the system of government is different it's still exactly the same because they poked fun of the psychotic libertarian who wanted to watch the world burn I was really pulling for him even though I would be the first to die in his world
>>741446717Atlus has always been kind of a greedy company that hired good talent and made good games. I'm never letting them live down the fucking 3DS tax. But let's be real here, does Atlus even have the talent anymore? They haven't made anything exciting in a long time. SMTV was a waste of time. SMTV:V is a polished turd. Metaphor was disappointing and pretentious. They're still churning out remake sloppa with "QoL" that plays the game for you. I'll hold out hope for P6 being good cause I assume all hands are on deck for it, but for now i'm done with Atlus.
>>741440134>No physical version for PS4>No switch 2 version>Denuvo on steamHuh...
>>741447040SMT VV is the best turn based JRPG of all.
>>741447104I haven't played it because SMTV was such a stinker and i'm not paying $60 to get tricked again, but I strongly doubt the shitshow that was base SMTV's combat somehow got completely reworked from the ground up to be functional.
>>741446950>entire political body was washed out for a new generation and the system of governmentMy point is that the system of government the game lands on and wants the audience to value is representative of the real world, especially Japan's liberal government of the 2020's. The idealized end point of the game is the status quo in real life that Hashino wants you to embrace, and anything more radical in the game is mocked or dismissed.
>>741441343>no SMT demonsTell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game.
>>741447040Sadly, I think they're going destroy themselves in their desperate attempt to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was P5.
>>741447175SMTVV is the best instance of press turn to date and if you genuinely can't see that, you never liked SMT to begin with.faggot
>>741440134It was boring. Boring combat. Boring world. Boring characters. Boring story.
>>741440134It ran like shit on pc. Like really fucking terrible.Atlus's tech skill is still on ps2 level and it fucking sucks.
>>741447471A press turn game with dampeners can never be a good press turn game. Making you pay trivial amounts of macca for a "beat the boss for free" button undoes everything that makes press turn compelling. If you say "don't use it then" i'm sticking your head on a pike.
>>741446127The church is one result of a corrupt system, not the system itself. All power is given to one individual, the king. The system fails when he fails, all the power of the church is power he granted them, and he is responsible for others taking advantage of his weakness because he's the only one who had the power to fix it and chose not to. The game ends in the same place the story began for the last monarch, and every monarch before him. Someone good and just in charge, who wants to solve everyone's problems but will eventually falter.At the very least the game should have set up an election cycle at the end, instead of monarchy until death.
>>741447682Really? It runs perfect for me. I'm planning to drop it though, everything about the world is so generic.
>>741447745don't use it then
>>741440134>surprisingly
>>741447471>the best instance of press turn to date but enough about TMS.
brown mc
>>741446950Anon is right though, they literally did a "REAL kings have never been tried".
>>741440134no romance also most people are used to atlus putting a second "improved" version out sooner or later
>>741447906There is romance though, it's just not like E33 where you fuck the character after a couple marvel one liners
>>741443028Not really. The book describes a bunch of stuff like that in is in universe "fantasy" book, but then other characters point out why shit like that would never work in their "real world", like pointing out celebrating diversity is silly because you can't do they without inherently acknowledging that there's differences between each other.
>>741447783okay faggot you asked for it
>>741448084sorry I just used a phys dampener, try again next turn
>>741440134This game was just another flavor of the month, insanely hyped on release, and bad mouthed a couple of months later. Same deal with E33 and rebirth
>>741448214agh... i've been thoroughly owned by his superior tactical prowess...
>>741447471Thats Apocalypse.Smirk is a better and more involved system than Magatsuhi.
>>741442404>the writing is shitt. ningen
>>741440134Aside from what everyone already said: the racism theme is very oldhat in 202x, and the politics is handled in a clumsy way that won't satisfy anyone.
>>741440134woke liberal nightmare slop
>>741448365I'd really like a remake of 4 that uses 4A's changes to mechanicsand reverse compendium fusion but that might be too much given the size of the roster for those games
>>741448401>the racism theme is very oldhat in 202xalso hypocritical considering japan is 99.9% japanese and hates and shuns anyone who isn't traditionally japanese looking to this day.
>>741448401It really stuck out to me that racism is such a heavy handed theme in the game but there literally is not a single slur used throughout. Calling the dog people "dogs" doesn't really count. You need something that indicates a real shared history between the people of the setting. How can you make an honest game dealing with racism and not touch on one of the most upfront and confrontational social aspects of racism that nearly everyone deals with?
>>741440667you're right on everything except the railroaded class design, I thought the way classes worked in the game was pretty coolbut yeah the game is mid and is ugly as fuck too
>>741448579When Japanese people make games where racism is a theme they're usually talking about other ethnic Japanese groups like ryukyuans or whatever. It's why the impoverished race in these settings is always like some kind of tan islander.
>>741448579Tourists are braindead, that's not Japan's fault. They can't even pass the threshold of functioning in a non-retarded way in society.
>>741448507Its hard to go back to other games without IVA fusion system.Its crazy we regressed so much.
>>741443047You'd have a point if you didn't attach dumb crap like S;G to your post.
>>741440134>Why exactly did Metaphor flop?I don't know or care, but as someone who enjoyed Persona 4, 5, and SMT V, I find this game butt-ugly and uninteresting. There's no nuance to anything, there's too much exposition, the story is very preachy, the particle effects make the game look way too cluttered, and the soundtrack is whack.
>>741441057kek
It's too grey and dull it looks like those early 2000 shooters without color. Seriously just compare the persona aesthetics to it.
>>741440350>it's genuinely a better game than any Persona.It's a casualized Persona, which I didn't actually think was possible.
>>741440134No romance and sissy protag. Deltarune is a more manly jrpg
>>741449271you can actually build your party members in this one though
>>741440134people only care for the dating sim stuff in persona and nothing else
>>741448681I was calling the Mustari Bucket or Basket Heads I forgot that's not actually used in game, the worse you hear is "half-blood" I think and even then that's just a fact. Doesn't help that the racists in game are often portrayed as fat, ugly and or stupid; real Twitter comic energy.
>>741449435And that sucks, because it removes part of the group's personality. Imagine if you could turn Vivi (black mage) into a thief, or Zidane (thief) into a Knight.
>>741440134It used SMT combat and thus was too hard for personatroons
>>741449727Bad example because 9 was garbage for trannies and the best FF games are the ones with job change systems
>>741440134Didn’t launch on Switch.
>>741440134because atlus (and maybe Sega too) went woke. Now imagine how p6 is going to be
>>741447397>>741441343There is literally an archetype (demons) that is called Devil Summoner as a reference to: SMT.And there is another called Persona Master. Look at the fucking archetypes before you say dumb shit. It's a full Persona / SMT like game. It's problem is that the progression is linear and the game takes place inside a METAPHOR so it's all make believe fake dreams of some autistic teenager from Tokyo. Thats the last plot twist which sucks I hate when games do this just at the peak when the world was getting interesting and you were locked in.I liked a lot the main plot of being a Prince being groomed to be King and win elections. I guess they have Electoral Monarchy there. Which is a type of government that wasnt used irl a lot but whatever.Metaphor is good I dont regret a bit playing it. Even if it has commie bernie sanders söycialist undertones in some parts. omg look at the poor how much they suffer. Dude the poor are awful in that game in particular the cat and rabbit faggots they are bandits and mug people. And dont give me that shit that its because they are poor, get your ass to work nigga.
>>741440134Nobody asked for Persona without the thing that made Persona popular
>>741449864Obsessed with trannies while praising this bad game system tells me all I need to know
>Game about being a king>But you can't choose your romance???What's even the point, why can't i romance the cute fairy and make her queen
>>741440134I'm playing it for the first time now and it's just not very interesting. The setting is poorly developed and the Persona type mechanics don't work well within it. It feels like I'm being a copy of the Persona series but from some other developer. All of the archetypes look the same.
>>741440134all the bitches ugly and there's no dating the setting also sucks ass
>>741440134Didn’t they cater to the trannies who swore up and down they wanted a persona without the high school gimmick because they refuse to understand your fictional player character romancing his crush does not mean you want to molest kids? Lo and behold they don’t buy games.
>>741450098There is no romance but 2-3 women end up liking the prince. The Gleam Bright Eyed equivalent of Taylor Swift but for that universe, I think her name was Junai which is the best healer in the game potentially her magic stat is very high. And the Pagan Shamanic girl gets feelings for you too. I dont remember the 3rd but I'm sure there is one, I dont know if its the rich brown elf in the capital.
>rpg but no real choicesjrpg is such a pathetic genre
>>741449727They have their royal archetype, it's just not forced on you. They also have their base stats. But you also have 4 equipped skills and can use other archetypes, it just won't be "optimal" but if your party needs it you have the flexibility since some classes aren't tied to party members.
>>741450015>the game takes place inside a METAPHOR so it's all make believe fake dreams of some autistic teenager from TokyoRetard.
>>741450126She can't have your babies being so tiny. A King needs a huge family.
>>741450126Do you have any passions or thoughts at all outside of how much of a slave you are to women?
>>741440134To this day there's hardly any porn of the fairy, and when even the coomers don't care, you know it's over
>>741450297I hate this trope. They did it for Final Fantasy 16 too. It was all a FINAL FANTASY™
>>741450015>>741450239Who is this girl you keep posting, your mom?
>>741450098I don't care what anybody asked for or what people think is popular. You're a loser.
>>741450363Bro i don't play games for the philosophy. Apparently refantazio thinks philosophy is peak or some shit, no wonder it failed
what if you shrink yourself and fuck a fairy
>>741440134>no romance>extreme flat chars>moral justice in game, but denuvo added irl kek
>>741450395I plaued ff16. It was a garbage game but you're also wrong. I don't think you're older than thirteen and you won't learn anything from having the obvious meaning barfed down your throat.
>>741450395it's better than >le protagonist is le specialoh wait...
>>741450428It's the singer from Paramore the Punk Rock band now general Rock band: Hayley WilliamsShe done collabs with Emo bands like American Football and stuff like that. Her music is good she is good at singing and plays piano.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaZUVZ2F_Dc
>>741450239>>741450015Avatarfagging with Haley Williams is still avatarfagging and a bannable offense
>>741440134They decided to release in a platform that was dead in Japan, the only place that they could minimally have a decent amount of copies sold.
>>741440134>release single player game>people finish playing game>sales dropwowowoowo hire me for journo roles
>>741446262P5 is measurably better than P5R and P4 is about the same quality as P4G
Games a success, you lost
>>741450531No it's not speak for Yourself. It's the worst world building trope you can pull off. Uhhh it was all IMAGINARY! There goes all the stakes of the story outta the window.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJustADream
>>741442487Just play SMT if you want monster collecting, you're still piloting 3-4 faggots in Persona.
>>741450718Yeah that too, wtf is the point when the world the game is set dosen't even exists, why should anyone care about the king shit
>>741450548You zoomers don't know what avatars or signatures are.
>>741440134Romancing saga 2 mogs it
>>741450784Yup it ruins everything but the early game and traveling the world in that boat, walker machine is kino and genuinely beautiful getting to know all the country you are going to rule over and solving their problems and giving political speeches in that debate platform thing at night. Feels like a real political campagin only you are way more posh and a rich kid being pampered by your hot elf soldier and everything is served to you on a silver plate.>>741450670based I liked it too despite its flaws>>741450548>posted it twicewow so much avatar
>>741440134The game is not that good. Not having date sim romance option killed a lot of internet discussion, this is really important Think about how many series like Persona, Baldur’s gate, mass effect, fire emblem etc have infinite waifu husbando discussion It could have made up for this if it had a truly intimate (not in the romantic sense) story, but instead it was a very by-the-numbers hollow metaphor (aptly named I guess) for extremely lukewarm egalitarian ideology. If you’re going to drop dating sim shit for being juvenile, don’t turn around and make the entire game centered around messaging found in TV shows for literal 6 year olds. So who is the game for? People who enjoy the gameplay, but even amongst gameplay centric turn based RPGs it’s not exactly at the top of the list.
>>741450297Anon, I just started the fucking game. Be honest, is this true or are you memeing? Because I might as well drop the game now if that's true.
>>741450971Oh it's true you should stop playing right now and then kill yourself
>>741450971It's true, the game is literally a book from some jap or something
>>741451028Only trannies kill themselves tho.
>>741450971Its true. But the early game is still wholesome just keep playing and you can reject the truth that it's all a fake fairytale. But it's the truth. You can return to Toyko to be a normie.
>>741451105Exactly
>>741450971I mean it's called metaphor...
>>741451078And it took Atlus 8 years to make this shit? Welp dropped I guess.
how did /v/ become a place where them hating it means its kinoor has it always been that way...
>>741450718nta but Metaphor has both tropes
>>741451198yeah and final fantasy is called final fantasy it doesnt mean it should be a fantasy book written by Clive under the pen name of his brother I already forgot his name who cares. Joshua or whatever. That was also retarded. Just let us save the fucking fantasy world and be done with it.
>>741451198>mfw the metaphor's a metaphor
>>741451323
>>741451298>Just let us save the fucking fantasy world and be done with it.That is literally what they did, and they wrote a book about it. When they killed Ultima it resulted in the destruction of magic, hence final fantasy. The game is not all a book. Its a gay ending but it’s like game of thrones, the events were recorded in a book
>>741440134This game was a nice little experiment. It was cute but now it's time for the real game to come out which will be Persona 6
>>741450509FF16's ending is open to interpretation, so he's not actually wrong, but you are.
I loved Metaphor. I hope they make a sequel. I would unironically be more excited if they announced that over Persona 6. SMT VI would beat them both thoughever
>>741449727>And that sucks, because it removes part of the group's personality. Imagine if you could turn Vivi (black mage) into a thief, or Zidane (thief) into a Knight.that sounds cool af holy shit you are retarded.Also it exists its called Final Fantasy 5 and its the best one.
I wonder just how much pressure the devs were under from western wokies to not include highschool dating
Why does it matter if a story tells you it isn't real at the very end ? It's about the journey not some random irrelevant lore mentioned once. Also Bloodborne is all a dream and that game is allowed to be overrated as fuck
>>741452226“It was all a dream” is THE worst ending possible
>>741452189Its not set in a highschool retard
>>741440134>Atlus fans expect Atlus to sell them a complete game at full price a couple years later>It also borrows mechanics from the various series they worked on, but shit like the calendar and social links were not needed for this game making it worse.>Final part of the game is poorly paced and retarded >Game is also not called Persona and Persona fans don't give a fuck about the rest of Atlus' library
>>741440134I bought it. The game was mid, I didn't like how you got your super power game breaking shit so early, how the plot falls apart after the assassination, and how the "social links" felt so soulless. They shouldn't have ripped those from persona if they were going to shit it up so bad.The world looked nice though if that counts for anything.
>>741452226“It was all a dream” is THE most kino ending possible
>>741440134I want to make something clear, I play JPRG's and CRPG's religiously they are my go comfort food games. I unironically have played and 100%ed the persona series and am a full on consumer planning to buy 6 and the remake of 4 on launch.This game was unequivocally made for me, and I didn't purchase it solely because they didn't add romance simple as that.I'm not gonna reward a company for moving away from it's own winning formula.
>>741452226Because I know it's fiction im not a low functioning autist. But I'm already immersed in its world let the story conclude in the world its meant to save.
Atlus fans are autisticMetaphor is new and scary to them so they didn't buy it
>>741440134it's too expensive
It didn't but it's a big proof that a good chunks of P5 players only played it for the VN elements.
>>741452667I got it for $25
>>741452667pirate itthe story is wholesome tbqh
>>741440134>game is about becoming king>no romance/wife mechanic???
>>741452706>the story is wholesomeKill yourself
>>741452709yea i can see how that would make sense to have a queen and or even a harem if you want to be that kind of ruler.
>>741452706>the story is wholesometruuuuuuuue
>>741440134the story is bad, the political part is especially retarded
>>741452749It is wholesome dude traveling the world making people like you because you care about their problems is a wholesome morale of the story. Civism is good.Civism = virtues, practices, and sentiments of good citizenship.
>>741440134no dating mechanics, no friend simulator.all of atlus's games have the same rpg mechanics, the only difference is that persona has the friend simulator and dating simulator. That's why those games have sold 30M copies and everything else struggles to hit a fraction of that
>>741452824I liked it
>>741452851shithole dwellers won't like this
>>741452919get better taste
>>741452851Playing a game because it is wholesome is the most fucking reddit reason in existence. Wholesome chungus doggo game is so cozy.
>>741440134Really ugly game that runs poorly. FATLUS is too afraid to make combat even a persona spinoff the slightest bit complex. The demo actually turned me off from buying the game and I'm thankful after having the plot spoiled to me.
>No Louis, might doesn't make right! Let me prove my position true by using might to right every problem throughout the whole game????
>>741453017>t. street shitter
>>741452940yeah brazilian mutts, blacks and pajeets wont understand this their societies are still in the tribal stage a little rape there a little pillaging there to one up one another they cannot work united towards a greater national goal.
>>741453032That's the same thing as Mob Psycho 100
>>741453032This game doesn't even have an antagonist, louis is punished for playing the same rules for no reason. it's hypocritical and dumb.
>>741452978my taste is better than yours however
>>741440324>It is just a rehash of Persona, but without the teenie dating mechanics. Banging your character's MILF teacher was the only thing that fans of the series ever truly cared about.Kinda, but they could have made it really dark and like undertale people would talk about it non-stop. That is what made SMT games good, but noo, let's keep it as friendly and normie safe as possible. so they got what they deserved..
>>741453017ok go play normie shit like GTA and shut the fuck up
>>741453017>triggered by the word wholesomewhy are you so fragile?
>>741453103Sperging about politics and how metaphor is wholesome is pure faggotry. At least use it to a more relevant series like harvest moon, rune factory, or animal crossing.Also I'm white and last time I checked civism kind of fucking died in my country decades ago.
>>741453032Might does not Make Right but Might MAKES thats the point of the story. The reasoning behind it matters. So you must have both conscientiousness and might. You missed the moral of all the political campaign you partake in.
>>741453174Persona games are unironically darker than SMT, but /v/ isn't ready for this conversation.
>>741453186Here is my actual criticism of why the game failed because I did play the game>>741452332
>>741453174The game's messaging is very in your face even that is a copout at the end.
>>741453138Louis fucking killed the previous king to get power and has a bunch of fucking necromancers mutating people in his Epstein inner circle. What the fuck are you smoking. He is corrupt as fuck.
Modern Atlus is the most normie shit possible now. The modern fan started with 5 or the releases at best while 99% watched a playthrough, looked at porn, and cry about persona being in highschool At least the retards on Tumblr who misunderstood 4 played the game
>>741440134What did it have to say? SMT and Persona have clear messages, even if it's just rehashing it over and over again.
>>741453390Oh wow, so he's a good meritocracy leader we must kill him
>>741453516sacrificing people so a necromantic mutant baby of some rich bitch can eat is not Merit. Thats just psychopathy.
>>741452332>shit like the calendar and social links were not needed for this game making it worsedisagree. Planning out days to get to dungeons is a really cool concept that I hope they expand upon in a follow up game. The game's structure would also fall a part without the countdown of days between big events where is lets you loose to spend time how you wish. Also, "Time marches on, and the age of a new king draws near".>Final part of the game is poorly paced and retardedThey definitely could have done without cutting the mage academy dungeon, but that isn't really indicative of why it didn't sell well. No one is buying the game worrying about the endgame until they get there.
>>741453595Let's be honest here, louis is only evil cuz the game's biased he would be hero in other story, he has the aura
>>741446493Keeping the same system but replacing the people in charge is still keeping the same system. That absolutely is a preservation of the status quo.
>>741453679No. He is associated with Necromancers he literally is an evil fuck from the start. the necromancers worship his ass like a celebrity and have paintings of him erected in their rooms.Thats like being friends close friends with Epstein. He picked up his friends wrong so he must die.
>jrpg thread>schizo posting>500 replies >limit reached
>>741453390Why is mutating people bad? It made them healthier as far as we saw in game
>>741453776>He is associated with NecromancersOnly christcucks would have an issue with this
>>741440134It didn't. Persona 3~5 are just an outliers. Atlus games are only played by schizos
>Necromancy bad because..... the corrupt (((church))) said so
>>741453345nah, smt games are really uneasy.
>>741453861they sacrifice people to mutant babies, thats like taking the kids of poorfags and giving them to Moloch in ritual sacrifice. Those are the friends of Louis. A bunch of Ashkenazi Jews. This must be stopped in game and irl.
>>741453604People hearing about the end of the game being a let down and rushed is a big turn off for anything
>>741453516>okay but does that pass a str check>um what does that have to do with this particular problem?>but the str check though?he's a dunning kruger midwit
>>741453914Sounds like a fun guy,i would hang with the necromancers
>>741453983Welcome to Epstein Island
>>741440134it was extremely woke and boring and the main character and others were indian or whatever
>>741454020No no if anything the mc is the dygen jew, louis is the chad aryan. He's literally blone ffs
>>741454124Louis is a corrupted Luciferian aryan that hangs up with LGBT faggy old money Jews. Pay attention to his senate and his inner circle. It's disgusting.
>>741453912SMTfags claim this, but most of the games are spent chatting about what video games and porn you like with cryptids to try and recruit them to your army in post apocalyptic tokyo. Meanwhile the first arc of P5's major moment is a rape victim attempting suicide.
Louis and his friends need to get final solution'd.
>>741454287Things only men care about vs dumb shit you see in CW tween dramas
>>741454375Looks it's meritocracy, true utopia
>>741454470>a bald tranny autogynephilic pervert jew>merit
>>741454375>All of them instantly jump on Will's dick when they start to lose like the cowardly faggots they are>Will doesn't do anything at all because he's le power of friendship good boyEnjoy your corruption.
>>741454546It's true diversity, you got a dude with pointy ears, a bald dude what more do you want
>>741454594>he's le power of friendship good boygood goy*
>>741450015>so it's all make believe fake dreams of some autistic teenager from Tokyodude... it literally the OPPOSITE lmao, nigger cant even watch a recap right baka
>>741454628Not my Kaiser. He is a corrupted aryan.
>>741454546Those weren't his people you drooling retard
>>741454287>comparing fucked up world where everything wants to kill you the worst way possible vs muh rapefuck off retard.
>>741450971it's not true. this one character FANTAZIES so much about japan that he thinks current world is fake.
>>741453937>People hearing about the end of the gameDo people actually do this? That's fucking retarded. People really would rather just be told what to think nowadays.
>>741454719>comparing fucked up world where everything wants to kill you the worst way possibleYou can say this about most JRPG random encounters to be fair.But in SMT the thing that tries to kill is a giant penis or a tree made of tits that makes sexual innuendos between attacks.
>>741454695Hei shut up Reinhard, nobody mentioned you
>>741452226bloodborne wasn't all a dream gehrman was lying u fucking dingusthe hunters dream and nightmares are dreamsthe waking world (yharnam) is the waking world
>>741454628>>741454695They made him look like Reinhard but acts nothing like him. At least change the look.
>>741454937At least he has a demon form, that's cool
>plot is about racism>game itself is less racist than 2002's Morrowind???
>>741455121The racism is basically "something bad happened to this race, oh no."
>>741440134I am waiting for the super duper ultra edition release with romance mechanics
Switch 2 here to save another game, sigh a tale as old as time
>>741443698kek
>>741444201>Combat is much more limitingIn what fucking universeMetaphor shits on P5 gameplay systems. Persona gives you no agency and 3 cheerleaders, there's no RPG system to even interact with besides a pokemon breeding minigame where you make one overpowered pokemon with all the passives and press your one damage button against damage sponge bosses immune to everythingAll of your other dating sim complaints don't matter because at least the game is fun to play as a result of having better progression, team building and combat mechanics AND the hard mode actually works instead of being even easier
>>741449727>removes part of the group's personalityretard you didn't even look at the systems involved. They have obvious character specific pathways because of their base stats and royal archetype which gives them an identity without preventing you from dipping into off-spec classes to pick up skills you want to inherit. Metaphor's team building options meet the basic requirements for it to be an RPG, Persona doesn't even reach that bar
>>741456760>Set 1 character as general for buffs>Spam the strongest attack on every other character, usually a combo attack >On occasion use mana potionsMetaphor was one of the most braindead JRPGs ever. I can't even fathom what you did with your characters to get such a different experience from me
>>741440134It's visually repulsive. I get that they were trying to be experimental, but in this case, it didn't really work out.
I sure ain't hyping up P5 big frog. I think skill selection was a mistake, way too easy to make yourself unstoppable. Likewise Metaphor set easy paths to abuse, I need a game to force me out of the comfort zone.
>>741457156>some bullshitThis is objectively worse than tweaking setups for individual boss fights because the game is not as one dimensional as Persona, so it's able to support enemies that aren't just sponges which nothing works against. P5 has to make bosses immune to literally everything including crits because the combat systems are so terribly balanced that allowing the player to do any kind of technical bonus breaks the fight. That forces fights to actually play out as you describedMetaphor doesn't have that problem because Weak is properly balanced, Press Turn is a much better system than One More and synthesis skills interact very well with Press Turn to give you way more control. Metaphor supports things like spending one full round to buff up a character and inherit Slash weakness onto a target with mania bullet so you can pop it on the turn turn with phantom swordswarm and the game allows you to do this on bosses because it's balanced properly to allow it
Its better than persona thoughbeit. But smt is still better
You can tell the developers never experienced racism in their lived because nobody in the game calls the MC a slur
trvke (I feel the same way)
>>741440134>release their first game in awhile that truely could've used a complete edition (P5R was bloated as hell, SMTV was solid on it's own before VV)>Metaphor could've used a redesigning on several of the copy-pasted dungeons, a proper expansion/full zone for the School, some touching up on some of the excessively ugly zones/battle arena's>"We are no longer doing Rereleases." What a retarded time to put your foot down on that now Atlas.
>>741440134SEX, more specifically, EXTREMELY GAY SEX WITH WILL
>June 21, 2025.This entire website needs a catastrophic server crash.
>>741457769Every fight in Metaphor is solved by ending your turn with omni damange negate which causes the enemy to lose all their turn icons. Most enemies in the game are 99% resistant to status aliments, with the only exceptions being ones informants tell you about. There's basically no gameplay by the time you reach the 2nd tier of archetypes and you're a schio suffering from persona derangement.
>>741457996You only care about smtv, smtvtranny
>>741458514>Every fight in Metaphor is solved by ending your turn with [thing you don't have until the game is basically over]wow ok retard
>>741443982You're thinking of OP's other fake headline saying the game floppedThis article is real, it's just entirely clickbait written by an angry persona fan. You can tell this because he didn't acknowledge that Metaphor is literally the first atlus game to ever sell 2 million copies in half a year or note for even a second that P3 Reload had a much larger falloff than metaphor did even for a single player game
>>741458713just use the phys/magic specific version before that point, autist
>>741458787Anon, Metaphor was in development for over 8 years and incredibly hyped. It didn't meet expectations or live up to the hype.
>>741453870>Persona 3~5Metaphor has outsold all of these besides the two P5s as of over a year ago btwYou have to add up every version of each P3 and P4 for either of them to out perform metaphor, even with P3R
>>741458954they didn't really start till 2019 actually and you're just coping with the rest of this
>>741458832So you grinded Hulkenburger up to lv4 Paladin which means you're over half way through the game, and you now get to spend 1 turn to cast negate phys on 1 ally. Which will eat 2 turn icons of a boss but only if they target that teammate with a phys attack, and if they AoE then everyone else still gets hit simultaneously. Is the game now over?
>>741440134I'm sure it's been said, but I'm positive Sega or Atlus themselves said it and I know a few big Atlus fans in person that weren't going to get it because they just assume an expanded version will come out that they want to grab on discount. Personally I bought it just to show support for new IPs but I'm the retard that votes with my wallet and things I like just get worse.
>Can't romance the fairyWaste of my time, not worth a cent.
>>741459197>I'm positive Sega or Atlus themselves said itnope, you fell for other persona fans that do nothing but read headlines
Louis is clearly evil. Case closed.I'm listening to Japanese Jazz Fusion in the radio how about u?https://radio.garden/visit/niigata/bFHosIAk
>>741440134Rehash of specifically Persona 5, but with somehow worse QoL, and much worse characters.
>>741441516>JRPG fans will bitch and moan for new IPs or ideasmetaflop had no new ideas. it's the safest by the numbers game faglus has ever released.
>>741459335They only know how to make 1 game and its the game they are good at making. whats the problem. I prefer them being like this than like Square Enix slop that tried to be "creative" and fucked up every time.
>main villain makes a good point>suddenly turns into a mass child murderer to make it clear he's evilWhy do JRPGs keep doing this?
>>741459420bad writersgood villians are good when its vague and in good RPGs you can side with them if they sound convincing to you
>>741459420The only place I've ever heard this take is on /v/ and it's obvious it comes from people that didn't actually play the game, they just distilled an approximation of why the game says the white guy is evil so they can bitch about it because third worlders literally don't know how to do anything else
>>741449946Don't worry metaflop sisters, the switch 2 port will hit 10k!
I'm noticing
I see you
>>741458106>quoting something that never happened
>>741440134The badness
>>741450971Man, the butthurt squad is out in full force today.No, it's not true. Not even remotely close. Rather it's that our world is a fictional story to them.
how many replies to the OP are from the same person I wonder
>>741459420Because writers subconsciously make the villains right so they backpedal like the good cowards they are because pedos own the money and they don't want to trigger themOk you are a coward but don't moralfag about it lmao
>>741444691Infinite Wealth and Rebirth were both better
>>741459803kek
>>741459406>faglus cult member immediately brings up Square Enix to seetheFaglus had to outsource P5S to Omega Force because they're that creatively bankrupt. Even a small team like Vanillaware knows how to make more than 1 game.
>>741440350>>why would I buy Metaphor now Atlus will just release Metaphor ReFantazio Like a Simile in 2 yearsBingo. That plus:>$70 day one before DLC tax like P3R/P4RSank it. Even Sega said they fucked up on pricing and Atlus trained folks to just wait for the complete re-release edition.
>>741459803True, Rebirth and IW have actual gameplay.
personafags are so detached from reality despite having two new games coming that they've still got to convince themselves metaphor did poorly to sleep at night
>>741459803Absolutely fucking not. I liked Infinite Wealth but it's gameplay improvement was limited movement on the field and that's about it.
I still think it's incredibly hilarious that Hashino spent a decade crying about how much he hated developing Persona 5 and how P5 was holding back his creative freedom, took all his P5 money to form a substudio with the express purpose of, in his own words, "redefining JRPGs and making a brand new game that could stand out from the rest of the Atlus lineup",and he just made P5 again but with british accents and no dating
The very moment Atlus announced that Metaphor didn't have romance was like a guillotine dropping on the head of the game.
>>741460075>outsold all the romance games besides the single most popular entry in a 20 year old series at the timekeep telling yourself that m8
>>741440134Metaphor troon shills lost biglyGet woke go broke
>>741460203>aww yeah that makes my 25th reply to the OP I hope no one notices
>>741443047>steins;troon>good anime
>>741459960They had the follow up attacks like Trails no? Chaining those to conserve mp is good.
>>741460249>He doesn't have Xchan Green>He doesn't get paid when people reply to his OP>He doesn't create 100 Belarus accounts to farm his OP about currently talked about gamesMissing out anon
>>741460695I've had enough of these rat poor asian tricks
>>741460075We can conclude from this thread that atlusfags don't actually play videogames they just watch them as visual novels. Metaphor gameplay is worlds apart from persona but there are people ITT who think the biggest difference between the games is a lack of dating sim scenes
>>741460784>just from this thread
>>741460784Heh you fool, I cast Cyclo and end my turn.
>>741440134I don't know about western fags, but in japan it had no legs as it was marked as preachy as daybreak with no real substance to the gameplayT.n2 and work in the rpg translation space
>>741461173>in reality is at best a southeast asian that google translated a 5ch thread
>>741453174>but they could have made it really darkMost of the game and setting were pretty grim though. Massive death tolls throughout the game. You have cities where one guy is fishing while there's a corpse 20 meters away from where he is like there's nothing wrong with it. Constant hangings and executions in the first area. Everyone is racist to everybody. There's a weird baby-like human secretly feeding exclusively on children. Can't really say that this game was sunshine and rainbows.
>>741461362Of course he can say that, he didn't play it
>>741461285Lol sure poojeet. It's easy work so long as you can speak and write basic english and japanese. I've also helped on discotek stuff before but that company is a bit of a mess. They actually fear and read emails so if something you like is being touched by them send emails or make noise on social media.
>>741461519defaulting to calling someone indian is just another way of admitting they were spot on
>>741440134an incredibly boring cast of characters
>>741445924Louis won’t just kill most everybody, he’ll turn them all into fucking demons and even those strong enough to not turn into demons better suddenly learn to kill dozens of demons. It’s a plan that instantly murders 95-99% of the country, replaces them with magic hostile wildlife, and then selects for hyperpowered sociopaths that don’t care that their wife and child just got turned into a renaissance painting monster. There’s literally no country after Louis. I was so disappointed as how transparently villainous he turned out to be at the final act.
>>741440134Lack of dating mechanics. Why is Persona more popular than SMT? You can date people.Why is Catherine like the only other Atlus game normies played? Cause you can date people.
>>741461646Not really. I've had to deal with those retards a lot. Thankfully that's slowed down quite a bit
>>741461362oh fuck people fucking DIE in this game? Fuck that dude
>>741461729>exaggerate the outcome because you feel personally attacked knowing you would turn into a monster Ah yes the personafag special. Same thing happened with Maruki just the other way around
>>741459732>Sega admits Atlas's reputation for releases is hurting intial sales>in 4 months, it'll be 2 years since releaseIt was just over 2 years after SMTV's release they anounced VV, I really hope they do the same with Metaphor
>>741461729I'm starting to think that was the goal.Like he didn't want to turn most people into humans, but EVERYONE, himself included, viewing our old forms as representations of the endless lies that caused the ransacking of the sanctum.
>>741440134>multiple women throw themselves at the MC >had the PERFECT excuse to have the MC pick his new queen via dating mechanica>refuse to do so and watch sale collapse once the word gets outWHAT WAS FATLUS THINKING LMAO
>>741440324Wait, so it's more like mainline SMT then where it's 90% gameplay 10% story? You might have sold me on this.
Bait
>>741461926>Sega admits Atlas's reputation for releases is hurting intial salesno actual source>It was just over 2 years after SMTV's release they anounced VVIt hasn't even been 2 years since metaphor came out and most rereleases came 3 years later. It's likely they will market it as a $40 expansion pack + full price bundle after the switch 2 port is out now though because of how hard they're trying to equalize the 50% off discount across the board>>741461993He literally said what the goal was, it was to make a new and simpler society out of everyone that was left whether the survivors hated him or not
>>741461918>exaggerate the outcomeAnon he’s literally plunging the country into anarchy in a world where getting too stressed turns you into a monster. He turned the fucking sky red and has been pledging to murder anybody who doesn’t support him. How many civilians do you think survive in a city or village where 60-70% of the population become demons? How many people do you think have the mental fortitude for the inverse-rapture where hell spontaneously manifests on earth through your friends and loved ones? How many people have the physical fortitude to fight through all that after they prove their mental fortitude?
>>741458514>you're a schio suffering from persona derangement.sounds more like you have persona obsession. metaphor's one unobjectionable thing going for it over persona is its more engaging gameplay. persona's a snoozefest
>>741440134No dating sim elementsIt literally, sincerely, unironically is just that simple.
>>741461765More Atlus games need to re-release with the dickgirl option desu
>>741440134>had three actually great girls you could potentially romance (eupha was top cute)>can't actually romance them
>>741444201Not to be that guy but it’s weird how it feels like someone sucked out all the soul/sauce in the designs for the final game.
>>741462234>literally spent years coming up with a system of manufacturing and then killing humans >no no you don't understand everyone is going to just die and be agitated 24/7 the whole thing will never work
>>741445924I liked Persona 4 because it basically recognized this and didn’t make any grand statement about society and just focused on personal issues.
>>741462159There's more gameplay than P5 but it's nowhere near that ratio. I think the pacing is a lot better though, you don't go through the same nonsense where you do nothing but read dialogue for 3 hours, then do a full palace in one day and then another 3 hours of reading dialogue. Metaphor has a lot more frequent but shorter combat sections with more variety and the gameplay is more interesting because it's tuned better. You don't run into this persona problem where 20% into the game you start oneshotting everything and there's no more actual gameplay even in the gameplay sections
>>741440134Its just extremely bland and underwhelming.When Project RE Fantasy was revealed, I thought it was Atlus doing an Action JRPG or something like Deep Down.I actually think it might have been that early on but they had to cancel it or pivot and make what became Metaphor instead.Go look at the original Re Fantasy pitch from i think 2016 or so? The character designs and concepts were incredible.We didn't get any of that.
>>741462414Louis is ONE personHe's going to turn the ENTIRE country into humans save for a few that he THINKS will be able to keep their shit togther.So up until Louis physically travels somewhere, there's just going to be thousands of humans rampaging.How many people do you think are actually going to survive?Hell, Louis couldn't even stop himself from going full human.
>>741462561You realize literally the whole thread can tell which posts are yours right
>>741462414Yes, in the world where stress turns you into a monster, suddenly plunging the world into hell is going to cause a lot of stress. This is literally what first destroyed the world.
>>741462593i just arrived and this is my first post in the thread. but whatever.
>>741462218>no actual sourcehttps://spilled.gg/sega-tells-investors-fears-future-definitive-editions-killing-launch-sales/>It hasn't even been 2 years since metaphor came out and most rereleases came 3 years lateryes, that's why the words "in 4 months" and "announced" not released were used
>>741462659That article is pure clickbait to the point there's an argument for them getting sued maybe, especially the summary section Sega like a year ago said they were going to investigate if people waiting for definitive releases had any impact on launch sales. That was literally it. And they definitely never said Atlus launch sales were being hurt. That would be a retarded thing to say because the best launch Atlus literally ever had was a brand new game and not a rerelease
>2025why is /v/ so goddam retarded?
I didn't play the game. Why does the main villain want to murder everyone?
>>741462592>How many people do you think are actually going to survive?Way more than you're suggesting because they can do all kinds of things, including just carpet bombing human dense areas with their fuckhuge airship. It's not like this is the first time in history people had to deal with humans suddenly appearing even if it's on a different scale and last time it wasn't even planned
>>741463042Sad because family got killed.
>>741440134The politics really turned me off. It was all poorly written. Everything was too on the nose, the game tried really hard to say the MC was being discriminated against while everyone was sucking his dick just like in a traditional Persona game, and most of the characters would defend his race on his behalf any chance they got. It was bad even for a Nusona type game
>>741463042leadership is incompetent and hopelessly weak people loading all their anxiety onto leadership helps make them incompetentthat's why he's trying to accelerate towards total social collapse
>>741463090>People are going to survive>Because Louis will carpet bomb their houselmaoAlso the Charadrius is not going anywhere because his entire crew got turned into the humans running around in the palace.
>>741463101really? its that bland?
>>741458468>>741462903why would an article about sales drop off for a game released close to two years ago be written now? of course it's an old topic.
>>741463090>okay, we have a god-king fighter with a single powerful airship>this will save our country, he’ll just carpet bomb all the cities and villages into rubble and collect the survivorsIt’s a fucking NATION, anon. He’s going to bomb all of the infrastructure into rubble and save the survivors of bombing runs, I guess? Yeah, what an excellent plan, what a stable and capable society will be left.
>>741463216the problem is on sega marketing , not the game itself
>>741463214Yes, I was immensely disappointed. Louis was the best part of the game until the game revealed his motivations and plan and he instantly became farcical.
>>741440134>year old newsyou faggots will argue over anything, huh
>>741463183In general you shouldn’t make a politics focused game if you don’t have SOME player choice involved, even if you’re getting pushed onto a specific path. Fuck, even just doing it like Nocturne would have worked.
>>741440134turn based chads... for some reasons didn't support the game
>>741463203None of the humans in the palace or on the tyrant star were real, they were all created by the scepter and turned to dust after the scepter was destroyed And no, the entire crew only ended up dead after the final boss fight when he literally merged with them. Some of them were used in experiments, but everyone left is literally manning the ship during the big finale so yes they absolutely can just go around blowing mobs of humans up and that's only one option>>741463224>takes less than a day to get literally anywhere in the country >also conveniently forgetting they can just use the church's skyrunners >or just have other people that can kill them in conventional combat There's too many different ways the human population is manageable, meanwhile there's only one way society just ceases to exist like you want, and that's if you pretend all of those ways just don't exist
>>741463216true, it wouldn't make for good clickbait now, especially when most people are now alerted to persona retards trying to gaslight everyone around them when it comes to metaphor
One things for sure, the Rise slut thread is better than this.
Democracy only works in small city states, and only in a near-direct form. Representative democracy just inevitably leads to stagnant oligarchy and backed up bureaucracy. For large nations, the unfortunate truth is that some kind of near executive power is needed to run it appropriately.>but what if the king is bad?then it sucks a lot. perhaps a system should be put in place to be able to kick the king out if he’s incompetent. or maybe we just shouldn’t fuck around with ginormous superpowers and stick to micro nations.
I was shocked at how bad it was when I tried it, I had just finished E33 and asked for recommendations and this was the game apparently, fuck me it was such a disappointment I went back to not playing games.
>>741463526Anon, how many of Louis’s soldiers do you think can fight legions of apex Humans without any problem? Louis is literally the only one other than the protagonist party that demonstrated that capability, and he’ll need to fight MILLIONS of them, hundreds of thousands of them per major settlement. It doesn’t matter how big his magic cock is, he’s one guy with one airship fighting a protracted war against millions of demons, some of which are fodder one of which are the type of shit that Dragons were.
>>741463696>I had just finished E33it's either this or Stillbirth every single time kek
I wanted to romance the fairy
>>741463761I wanted to fuck Hulken(((berg))) but you cant
>>741463748I mean what other JRPGs have come out in the past 2 years really.
>>741463748NTA but I played Rebirth first and then picked up Metaphor near the end of the year and still loved it.I refuse to play E33 because of how inorganic the fervor around it was, and how its fans actively shit on the genre because they are too normie for anime. Not to mention them acting like turn based games didn't exist until E33 came out.
>>741443673The only thing feminism wants is the disappearance of men. This goal so far had not yet been met.
ITT:
>>741464282>Not to mention them acting like turn based games didn't exist until E33 came out.E33's fervor came on the heels of FFXVI's producer directly saying they were chasing action combat for younger audiences and seeing that fall flat on its face.
>>741464469>Game critics
>>741464521For FF fans maybe. But there was a nauseating amount of shit like pic related. Just total ignorance of JRPGs as a whole, let alone FF.>INB4 xitter It was everywhere online.
>>741463734>Anon,Do you think starting all of your sentences like this makes your argument sound more compelling? Because it doesn't So now all the humans are going to be superpowered probably because you realized anyone in the setting higher on the power scale than a rank and file soldier can kill most of them and that's without teaching everyone how to use magic they're already capable of using and just don't know it. Literally just give someone like Bardon an igniter with the megidolaon equivalent on it that's normally reserved for the ultra rich and he could deal with most humans pretty easily. And it's the exceptionally strong ones that the strongest people in the setting would have to deal with which we've already talked about.You have to literally dumpster everything in the setting to think the idea absolutely can't work
I won't pay 70 euros for a woke game calls me chud.
>>741464830>game calls me chudhas this happened in any game yet?
>>741464282Not to mention the amount of people saying how revolutionary dodging and parrying were in E33, a refreshing deviation from the standard turn based combat system. Like you couldn't already do it in Paper Mario.
>>741464706>xitter blue>larping journo>hype beastYou went to the fag zoo and got upset at the splash zone cum
>not a single metaflop cosplayer at the persoyna meetupgrim
>>741464919Lots of them.
>>741440324this but unironically. Persona trannies like to pretend their JRPG is le deep and sophisticated but it’s really just a glorified dating simulator
>>741464804>so now all the humans are going to be superpoweredNo, some of them are. Because that’s how humanization works, sometimes you get a goblin sometimes you get a giant evil baby head full of arcane magic. Also, where do you think everyone is going to get the magic? The VAST MAJORITY of the supply of magic in the country will EXPLICITLY BE SPENT turning everyone into demons. Airborne magla will be consumed to kill everybody, and then the survivors won’t be enough to replenish it. He’s murdering 97% of the country, rendering every population center uninhabitable before a protracted campaign to reclaim them, and using up the magla to boot. It’s the worst fucking plan I have ever seen by a villain, it’s a farce.
>>741464987name 10
>>741464947It was everywhere and you know it.
>>741464706>Just total ignorance of JRPGs as a wholeNo one cares about overpriced HD2D JRPGs, and SMT5 was such a flop that they had to re-release an enhanced version & multiplat it up.Which thank fuck for that on SMT5, because it ran fucking awful on Switch.
>>741440134E33 won
>>741440134I liked the dungeons, fights and classes. Learning later that it was by the Etrian guys made a whole lot of sense for why the plot was kinda "eh" but the combat was fun.
>>741454287pls be in london
>>741465043No one said anything about HD2D. These are people that haven't played literally any JRPG in the last 2 decades.
>>741465023I do know it, but looking at the profile I again say you're putting your hand in shit and complaining about the smell.
>>741452126>Final Fantasy 5 and its the best one.I can never take retards like this seriously
>>741465297Yeah, I should have just stopped using the internet for video game discourse since it was inescapable
>>741465272>These are people that haven't played literally any JRPG in the last 2 decades.There literally hasn't been any notable JRPGs in the last decade alone besides DQXI & P5. It was a rather dead genre outside of the indie/HD2D space.
>>741465428Oh great, so you're one of them.
>>741465009>The VAST MAJORITY of the supply of magic in the country will EXPLICITLY BE SPENT turning everyone into demons. Airborne magla will be consumed to kill everybody, and then the survivors won’t be enough to replenish itThis is literally all made up by you which doesn't really surprise me at this point. When the rules in the setting don't fit your personal bias against someone you know wants to systematically kill you personally just make up your own
>>741464282>I refuse to play E33Your loss
>>741465475Start naming the ones worth a fuck.
>>741465535Anon did you think he needed the king’s scepter, the thing that gives him supremacy over the entire magla supply in the entire country, because he wanted to look really cool while he cast a spell that only needed his personal supply? Why are Louis simps universally the lowest intelligence people in these fucking threads? Yeah he’s pretty and is cool for like 95% of the game before you understand how stupid he is, that doesn’t mean you need to defend him with cope screeds.
A good 300 of the posts ITT is just one guy agreeing with himself.
>>741465407>discourse Homosexual vocabulary. I've never fucked with Toby Fox and his games so I've erected mental fields around me to repel the poison. You too can harness this power.
>>741465018Every game where simply behaving correctly gives you "evil points." Things like BioWare and many RPGs.Games with body types and everything full of black people and mysterious meats that you can't take your eyes off. They don't have to call you a "chud" directly, they just remind you that they're laughing at your ideas.How many games feature religion, where the churches in each game are simply and directly evil? And of course, they're inspired by the Christian church. They simulate parishes, dress like bishops...
>>741465683>making more shit up that the game doesn't say What the game actually says is that he needs the scepter because of how much anxiety it + the statue system had already accumulated, not that all magic in the world was going to be impossible to use after he cast the spell. But that also doesn't fit your argument so I guess that didn't happen either Louis never gave a shit about you in the first place m8, you should've picked up on that from how much shit he talked about people that can't pick up after themselves the whole game >>741465750true
>>741465750Cope
>>741440134>used to look like this until the devs gave up and made persona again but without the parts personafags like>dishonest glazing by pretending it isn't the most reddit safe game possible, that everyone saw through (including things such as DEIversity pandering and negative fanservice, etc. probably a heavy helping of lolcalization too)>shilling by journos too for obvious reasons, telling you it's art because of the pretentious low-quality world design (despite, again, being a pseudo-persona shaped downgrade to the original concept)
>>741465247I'm a boy, retard.
>>741465750I've seen him before in E33 hate threadsHe's a regular there
>>741465978With a post like that? Impossible
>>741465904We literally destroyed the statues anon. But I guess if you need to believe that Louis just needs to find and distribute a large supply of the most powerful necklaces in the world to the survivors, sure. Hopefully he bought those up before the whole descending the world into hell thing, because they might be hard to get once all the craftsmen are dead and the supply lines are destroyed.
>>741464282>>741464706I hate this Twitter e celeb shit of going “turn based games were always popular!” and then showing shit like BG3 and E33. Like, what’s the point of trying to pretend that this style never became unpopular? Theres mountains of interviews of devs stating they move away from it to attract a wider audience. Fuck this was a thing all the way back in the 90s, BioWare made their nerdy RPG series a real time system because they thought it would attract Diablo fans.
>>741466082I don't think a woman would want a rape scene in what they consider a waifubait coomer game.
>>741440134The same reason i came to fucking hate isekai manga for the last 10 years. Preachy "dont be racist" message from an ethnostate completely ignorant to such issues. JUST NOW japs are weaking up at the dangers of large groups of foreigners bringing up their own culture and forming isolated communities.
>>741465962You're like that final fantasy versus guy who worships an idea.
>>741440754>Atlus ALWAYS releases an "ultimate version" so people learned to wait.And you just know they're too stupid to even think this is becoming a problem for them.
>>741440134Etrian Oddysey games don't sell that well
>>741465904>this fag actually agrees with the villain because he truly believes he’s strong enough to personally fight hell until Louis shows up to save him and gift him magic jewlery
>>741466127You can stop pretending
>>741445020Oh the pot calling the kettle a shucking and jiving jigaboo nigger and demanding it be lynched.>>741444870Look at that.THE ARTICLE DOES EXISTYou should kill yourself.Nigger.
>>741466219Are we suddenly pretending libtards don't seethe endlessly whenever there's a rape scene in anything and that the existence of it is pretty scrubbed clean from every game? Were you around for hotline miami 2? Rape is like the only thing you can't do in video games now without getting called edgy.
>>741466167No, I'm not, I just like cool knight aesthetics and dislike when they are turned into characters looking like they were isekaied by a thrift store explosion.
>>741466108And notice how that didn't stop his plan, because the statues are what feed the anxiety into the scepter Otherwise, concession accepted>>741466202I don't think I even said that, I just enjoy /v/'s extreme minority of Louis copers because they thought he was going to give them an armchair solution to how much the world sucks like le Marukek and have to come up with a dozen bullshit reasons why the whole plan wouldn't work for anyone because it definitely wouldn't work for them. Only time I've ever seen /v/ jerk off a libtard character has been with P5R and coincidentally, he was going to unilaterally make life better for third worlders instantly at no personal cost to them. What a coincidence. But I do like the idea of me being the poorest, weakest fucker in that kind of a setting casually walking into the igniter shop taking the the most obnoxious looking thing out of there while everyone is panicking and seeing how many humans I could take out
>>741466269>look look the article actually exists this time yeah and it's horseshit, people are just used to the fake headline being used at this point and there would be no need for a fake headline if the game had actually flopped
>>741440134I was kinda mildly hyped about the game but then I saw some of the really heavy handed dialogue and it deterred mejust made me think of the usual dogshit persona writing and dialogue, at least get somebody from the SMT team jeez.
>>741466875chance of post being truthful: 2%
>>741466330You're the one saying rape is worse than the world ending.Now go make me a sandwich
>>741440134no Alice
>>741466943think all you wantI remember it was some dialogue about the pixie explaining to you about racism like you were a toddler about a poster on some street in the game.
>>741467051>think all you wantI will, last thing I want is to be anything like you
>>741466660>notice how that didn’t stop his planBecause the scepter gives magic control over the magla produced in the country. That’s literally what it does. Your final bastion to defend the idea that Louis isn’t a retard is that there is a large enough supply of rare endgame necklaces to allow distribution to weak survivors, which is explicitly against Louis’s goal of only the strong surviving that he repeatedly outlines. I cannot more thoroughly refute you, and I have no idea why you’ve chosen to die on the hill of yet another Atlus villain that “has a point” but is written to go about it in the worst possible way to give the protagonists the moral high-ground. His plan instantly destroys the country, and even if he did proceed to carpet bomb every city and village while recruiting and equipping survivors, ther might end up with a single military force that will take decades or centuries to reclear the nation. He’s retarded, you’re retarded for defending the bad writing, and the game suffered for his lack of a salient vision to prosecute his ideal.
>>741440134shit graphics for mei refunded it
>>741467118>Your final bastionm8 that's just one of the 17 other things you failed to come up with adequate responses for and backed yourself so far into a corner on that you started making shit up. You don't know how to hold a conversation with other people
>>741440134they're not as bad as square enix schizos, but atlus schizos are still pretty scary. wtf is with jrpgs and mental illness?
>>741467112We're all in this room together anon
>>741466946Name 5 games in the last decade that had rape in them>The world endingToo bad nobody cares about this in SMT, Everyone you love is dead, and your twink still shoots the shit with Jack Frost about video games and the internet without a care in the world.
>>741467193OP is more likely than not a square enix schizopersona schizos exist sure but they don't have the support of a bulk of the persona fanbase, that's why everyone including SMT personalities like Nam and Larrue dogpiled those 5 losers that tried to shit on metaphor after the switch 2 port got announced on X the other day
Feels like people only play Persona for the dating mechanics
>>741467283An encyclopedic knowledge of fags and retards.
>>741467283I feel like persona schizos are mostly just defensive over their waifus, square enix schizos legitimately need to be institutionalized, they're the type to start spamming gore because someone posted an image they didn't like or criticized their pet game.
>>741440134SEGA/Atlus pricing is atrocious and they've become increasingly lazy. Just can't be bothered buying any of their games. They act like they're rockstars but got zero talent
>>741467186>17 other thingsYou mean how carpet bombing cities is a hood way of saving survivors, how Louis is going to clear every city with himself and a small regiment of his surviving soldiers, how Louis is going to find a stash of explicitly rare and powerful artifacts and then share them around, and how killing 70% of a country by turning them into muderous monsters won’t end up with the vast, vast majority of the survivors also killed? All very strong debate stances, have you ever thought about becoming a politician? Your ability to stand and defend clearly retarded positions is a valuable skill.
>>741467356those are just the persona larpersthe real secret is that actual persona fans by and large love metaphor and there's very few people in persona spaces that don't like metaphorit's people in non-Atlus spaces that seem to despise it, and really they wouldn't if FF7 Rebirth didn't get absolutely humiliated by it in 2024
>>741467214like every indie in the last 10 years feature some girl being raped and the mental horrors or whatever thoughI think its getting kinda stale, like can't they make some scenario where the woman is a genuine asshole karen that nobody likes, but she didnt deserve to get raped and tortured and people dont know how to react to itInstead its always some happy cupcake thats sweet then turns into a depressed neet after getting raped.
>>741467478This Metaphor versus Rebirth thing is such a bizarre rivalry to force, Metaphor undersold it by a lot, why would Rebirth fags hate a game that had so much less impact? I think Metaphor was a good game with major disappointments that simply could not recruit the whole Persona audience because of how it toned down the VN elements.
>>741467560Indie games aren't real video games
>>741467596even the silent hill remake had a rape victim
>>741467465All the things you failed to argue against won't go away even if you try to subtly alter them or call them retarded on principle reflect on that and don't talk to another person until it has some kind of impact on you
>>741440134Because the game is shit and had no staying power. My condolences to the poor retards that got scared by Denuvo and actually spent money on it,
>>741440134Still waiting for the definitive edition.Also weird "off-white but not arab" protagonist doesn't help things
>>741467637Remakeslop doesn't count either.
>>741467573I don't agree with your assessment of metaphor at all but one thing you have to remember is that FF7 Rebirth is a game that explicitly undersold according to square enix. Meanwhile, Sega had to revise their forecast for Metaphor's sales because of how well it was doing well before they announced the 2 million milestone and only ever sung its praises, and on top of that Atlus made a direct comment about how strong the PC sales in particular were. These threads being the way they are when you take those two things into consideration, on top of FF7R getting mogged by it for both RPG and narrative on Geoff's world stage, makes a whole lot of sense
>>741467669It has enough staying power to put threads into bump limit and people still talk about it every day on this board.
>>741466167Nta, but even in japan people didn't like the change in aesthetics
>>741467891>to put threads into bump limit and people still talk about it every day on this board.Yeah, threads like >why did Metaphor flopand people still talk about it everyday as>it's because it's a shittier overpriced personaNot a good look for a new IP if it cant stand on its own merits
>>741467573>>741467887you would think the 'rivalry' would be between Metaphor and XVI, they both sold similar numbers (tho ofc it was worse for the latter because of bigger budget), and you have the whole "turn based vs pure action" think.
>>741467891I don't know man. Most people talk about in a "what went wrong" sort of way
>>741468030don't talk about yourself in the third person like that
>>741440134We keep fucking telling you it's woke, Dalit.Pay attention.
>>741468096Yeah, it needs rape.
>>741468047yeah, /v/ schizoids do that because the game is living rent free in their heads (and yours too probably)
>>741468143Wow such a good argument. Really proving me wrong there. Even the japs don't care for it dude
>>741467891I mean people seethe about FF games everyday too but those recent games are flops no
>>741440134When is metaphor refantazio maniax chronicles deep redux apocalypse overclocked white book royal golden fes portable vengeance ex kyuuyaku starring raidou and featuring dante from the devil may cry series coming out?
It's like a retard winning a game of chess because he ate the most pieces.
>>741467573Give me a list of your "major disappointments." I really don't see how this game is that much worse than Persona. It's literally the same game but with some other Atlus mechanics thrown into the mix and a very different soundtrack.Also the Metaphor hate vs the rivalry of Rebirth are very much related. FF7 fans are an extremely bitter and toxic fanbase that think only their game matters and they try to shut down the competition wherever it appears. This even happens within their own franchise and has for decades; any time people try to sing the praises of FFVI or FFX, they'll point to dumb strawmen arguments like the Tidus laugh scene to downplay the quality of these games, and they've done the same for Metaphor when it comes to the "writing quality."The ironic thing is that FF7's writing is nothing to write home about, either. Who lets a hulking brute with a gun arm just run around a big city?
>>741468047rofl no they don't, only on /v/ and some sensationalist youtubers. That's not "most people." Most people gave a positive review on Steam.
