You miss your childhood. That's all there is to it. With the exception that your favorite genre is dead or not as varied anymore, the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.
>>741542517wrongi went back and played my childhood games recently and they kicked ass
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.big name games before:>actual gamesbig name games now:>a movie that attempts to shame you for being normal
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I don't miss my childhood, I would say I have a pretty fulfilling adulthood. Child me just had good taste in games so I replay them.
>>741542631what point are you trying to make?
Whats wrong with liking things from your past and wanting future media to be as good as that was?
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>>741542517As I got older, I learned new things about art and game theory that gave me a greater sense of appreciation for games than ever before, meaning objectively, the nuance and depth of my love is greater in capacity compared to when I was a child.Nostalgia is lovely but it's not the end all be all. Mastering a well designed game with strong themes and subtext as well as replayability and dynamic difficulty and emergent gameplay is an extremely enjoyable experience and there are more of those available to me as an adult. Most of my favorite games are games I played when I was an adult. The one exception is Majora's Mask, which is a game I appreciate more as an adult than as a kid, and as I grew it was like it grew along side me. I accept that I will never have something that special again. I don't chase it, it's futile.
>>741542692You're remembering a false and idealistic past that never existed and thus cannot be replicated.
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>>741542742>false and idealistic pastbut it did exist?you can literally go play those old games right now and see how much better they were
>>741542517>You miss your childhoodI really don't.
>>741542781Most people would rather play RE4 remake than the original or remaster.
>member berries because it sounds like memories and looks like grapes decadent people ate in Ancient Rome Why is South Park humor seem so pulled out of their ass?
>>741542590This, except I also went back and played games I had no nostalgic attachment to, including on consoles I never owned.Games were objectively better back then.
My childhood sucked
>>741542838They're from season 20, the one where almost everyone unanimously agrees the show went to shit.
Zoomies unable to accept that they gained sentience after the last bit of goodness in this world and Millennials got it for their childhood and raped in adolescence with our current fag world.
>>741542742But I’m not. The fact that theres so much discourse over the past means it did mean something to people, the ones complaining just never got to experience it or hate that they cant replicate it.
>>741542781You can even trace the progression of graphical fidelity and compare that to a trend of successive releases in the same franchise or genre having reduced features and scope.
>>741542517ps2 had 3 GTAs 5 if you count stories 3 silent hills 3 GOW 3 Devil may cry now it takes a decade and 10x the budgets between games its objectively worse
>>741542517When i was a kid I could turn on a console with a game inside and be gaming in under 30 seconds. Now it takes that long just for the indicator light to pop on and prep the loading screens.
>>741542830Then pick a franchise that has good games to play instead you fucking Mexican
>>741542517I really hope you’re some faggot that works in the industry OP. I really hope that you’re under threat of getting laid off because whatever shitty studio you work for is hemorrhaging money because kept pumping out trash that either no one bought or it couldn’t make back the money. Your claim is retarded, games were better, it’s obvious just by actually playing them. A person doesn’t even need to have played it as a child to know that. Fuck i remember playing SR2 for the first time a few years back and thinking it was great. No nostalgia there, just an admiration of quality and care.
>>741542708Are you just posting random shit games?
>>741542830>ad populemMost people are mouth breathing retards who think more about graphics than actual fucking gameplay.
>>741543145Who knew a thousand starbucks sipping DEI hires can't put in a fraction of the work of a dozen nerds with a vision.
>replayed sega gt 2002>looks low res>still the best racing campaign gamekino...
>>741542830notice how they would prefer to play a remake of an old game then the new games??
>>741542517it's certainly worse monetization and dev cycle wise. now basically every modern multiplayer game is also a storefront.
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I don't mind Fortnite/Minecraft/Roblox. I wouldn't ever play them but they are appropriate for their age group and cultural context so gaming isn't dead in that way. For legacy gaming though it very much is. The worst part about it all is that they keep raping its corpse with indie ripoffs and remakes because they have dollar signs for eyes. Media should be allowed to have a dignified death even if it's not a person
>>741542517both, i miss my childhood and video games, almost everything back then was 5 times better than now, from games, movies, the internet, outside World etc i don't give a fuck about 4k, graphic or physics (balls shrinking in cold) in video games, i had more fun with Little fighter 2 and Red Alert 2 20 years ago than with RDR2 and Elden ring
>games are just as good nowadays>which is why 3/5 games released are remakes of remasters of 20 or 30 year old games
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was beforeThe ratio of capital investment to audience enjoyment and financial return disagrees.
>>741542517i've gotten more into emulation recently and have been playing games i never played before and i can say i like them way more than most of the new games i've played. so you can take your little theory and shove it up your ass.
>>741542517You may have an arguement there. I however still refuse to pay for any game released post 2018. I will ALWAYS pirate it first. If it is good, I will purchase it at MSRP.
>>741542517nah i like games still, its just undeniable that there are a lot of shit ones and the industry as a whole is completely in the gutter
>>741542517>games dont change, you do
>>741542742Anon, sometimes old thing is genuinely better. Or are you going to try and lecture me on why the live action Disney reboots are better than their animated counterparts somehow? The problem isn't with nostalgia but the corporate exploitation of said nostalgia to try and meet an ever rising goal of ROI. Yeah some games are just shit and some people wear rose colored glasses but there's no fucking way a good old game is somehow less good because of the passage of time outside of control schemes because they weren't standardized for a while
>all those thousands of games from the 80s through the mid 10s? nostalgia>fortnite? now thats real taste
>>741542838Probably because it is, Season 20's just the worst case because it was their first try doing a serialized story due to Stick of Truth doing well and it hinged entirely on Hillary Clinton winning the election, which she didn't. As a result they had to last minute pull some shit out of their ass which had the unfortunate side effect of erasing Mr. Garrison from the show due to establishing him as a Trump expy believing that Trump was going to lose
>>741542517Tired of this gaslight. There's an objective loss in quality that's proven by several benchmarks:>A non-stop flow of remakes and remasters>Dev teams are three times larger than they used to be but have a quarter of the technical skill and efficiency.>Games having a 10+ year dev cycle was unheard of not even a full decade ago. Duke Nukem Forever was infamous for a reason. Now this length of time is normal.>Video games are now being invaded by hollywood rejects that used to look down on and ignore them before>It's not even just AAA games by big publishers. Even indies are frequently guilty of all of these.You're right that there are still good games releasing today, in fact the past was full of bad games too. But there is a definite, observable downwards trend in the skillset of the average game dev that simply wasn't there before.
>>741542590same
>>741544569Nta, but the ROI demand isn't even the problem IMO. Obejctively, the current slop is failing to meet ROI and we've now burned through most if not all the cheap tricks to procure players' money anyway. All that's left is to either make good games again or die. And they're bleeding pretty heavily.
>>741542590same, went back to play Call of Duty 2, it was a good time.With the ability to use emulators and the methods to get the games. I just go back anytime, I want to.
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was beforenice wording here, shitheadit's not worse and it's not bettera stagnating industry that makes remakes (because old games were better?) and slop that nobody plays>your favorite genre is deadmine? nobody makes a game for a singular person to play, genres dying is not a good thing, it's a sign of things worsening
>>741542517See, it's funny because most of the games I played when I was a kid were objectively shit but I still have nostalgia for them.I do play good games but the occasional dogshit kusoge is like chicken soup to me. My cope is that it makes me more critical of media etc etc.Browser-based MMOs, Wii shovelware, ARPGs made in Blender almost exclusively out of stock assets, untranslated rpgmaker porn games with chicken-scratch art for some esoteric nameless fetish... HOME.
>>741542742how do i remember it if it never existed? how can i go back and play old games and still love them for kicking ass and yet modern games that are supposed to be better fail in every aspect?
>>741542517Protip, accusing people of nostalgia only works when they can no longer experience the things they claim are superior.People are nostalgic of places they can no longer go to, people are nostalgic of species that have gone extinct.People are not nostalgic of games they can slap into their computer and play within 10 minutes. Nobody 'misses' their childhood, they simply are enjoying games that were made two decades ago or more, considerably more than modern shit games. Tl;DrGo fuck yourself kike shill.
>>741542517>You miss your childhoodNo, people just want good games.
It's because people compare the best games from the past to the average new game nowadays. They're comparing Half Life to Forespoken and going "see? All new games are shit!"Truth is the industry has been pumping out absolute shit since it started, but shit is inevitably forgotten about.
>>741542830>Bro I am the biggest fan of Resident Evil, one of my favorite IP's really>Huh? What are you talking about? Hunters? Neptune? Cerberus? Bro I just play with those crazy ass villagers and shiettt lmao
>>741545342>average game is forspokenthat is not a good thing, a horrible flop with an awful story and absolutely terrible character, an unapologetic thief that never gets punished or grows to be a better person
>>741545110Pet the fucking rooster
>>741545342>ForespokenForspoken was a shit game with shit writers that was granted a $100 million capital investment. Even adjusting for inflation, nobody in their right mind in the 90s and 00s would grant that kind of capital for the given elevator pitch.
>>741542517Objectively false.Sure, everyone misses childhood to some extent, but the reason games don't hit the same is because they're simply not made with passion, nor with fun or immersion in mind.Take for example GTA San Andreas, even beyond the base game, you can have so much fun with cheatcodes. Nu-developers spit at cheatcodes, Naughty dog goes out of their way to say "we don't use the word fun", Kojima faggot says "yeah I made game bad on purpose because too many people liked it!"Can you imagine any developer from 90's or 00's say shit like that?It's unbelivable how lame and gay the industry has become.Sure, they are heavily funded now, the quality and detail is through the roof, but the passion is not there.We get shitty cashgrabs, trend chasers, MTX galores and always online shitNone of these are good for the industry or the player.In short, the industry grew too corporate - the most fun games are made by indies, while the "industry" part is soulless and anti-customer
I just bought dead space remake on steam because it was really cheap. But damn, playing horror games just isn't the same as an adult.
>>741542517>>741542742Oh boy I sure love "youtube video essay"-tier pseudo intellectual faggots trying to gaslight people!
>>741542742>You're remembering a false and idealistic past that never existed and thus cannot be replicated.Sounds like a you problem anon
The industry has implemented so much anti consumer bullshit that has been accepted by the endless masses of casuals who dont know any better is something only a corporate shill would lie about not existing. OP is a dick sucking faggot however and most likely just looking for attention because his micro dick is a constat reminded of his failure as a human being.
>>741542517>Normalfag meme>They still won't admit that TLJ is dogshit.
>>741542517my childhood was so nortubel tier
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was beforeHistorically this is almost always the case with few exceptions. Problem is, those few times that are the exception look a lot like today does.Nowhere in history are young people nostalgic for a time that's older than they are except when socieities are collapsing, objective quality has declined, and all art has gone to shit.
>>741542742Why do you need to work harder than ever to convince people of this if it isn't true?There was no internet in late Rome, so don't give me the bullshit that it's the internet that is leading to near collapse bitching.
>>741542517my childhood sucked and I didn't even get to play games until a few years ago, modern games are objectively worse than older games.
>>741543421RE Requiem is a massive financial and critical success. Are you tried of being wrong yet?
>>741542981There's a lot of low skill gamers. For me challenge is a part of gaming. If a game doesn't provide a challenge I lose interest. I'll self impose a challenge if it is fun and not tedious.The problem with games from my childhood is that they aren't very difficult. I literally beat them when I was the least skilled at games I will ever be. I full S rank cleared Advanced wars 2 as a kid. I have zero interest in playing not just advanced wars but anything in the genre. I gave FE 6 (whatever roy's translated game is) a try and was severely disappointed. I even went Sacae route because I went in blind and didn't think anything of it. I was so bored I dumped all my stat items into roy and used him to solo kill the final boss. I quit mewgenics halfway through act 3 without ever losing a single cat except the throbbing domain mandatory sacrifice. The grind was so boring and challenge non existant.I don't like simplistic pixel perfect nes difficult games or that would be all I play. Thankfully there are great games being made still with sufficient difficulty compared to the baby game n64/ps1 though switch 2/ps3 era. The usual nostalgia game suspects are all games for toddlers. Also "hard" games from that era were health bloat tedium like god of war and the accursed cover shooting peekaboo fad.Overall I'm most happy with how modern action games have gravitated towards soulslike and parry based combat. But the genre that pleases me most are strategy games. Indie devs have stepped up big time and despite mewgenics being such a disappointment there are many amazing indie strategy games. They shit all over anything I had access to as a kid.
>>741546050I don't. The video game industry continues to make more money than ever. The kinds of people that still use /v/ is just extremely skewed, especially after a significant number of anons have left forever. I.e. this is an echo chamber. The most hyped /v/ had ever been was when Elden Ring released. And yet that game is dismissed as garbage under this modern games hate criteria in favor of games like Bomberman. You people don't make sense.
>>741542517Categorically wrong.I miss the time before social media existed. When the internet was in its early years and before it was taken over by corporations and advertisers. When people were more social, went to LAN parties and couch gaming was much more popular. When noticable leaps in video game technology were commonplace instead of graphical and mechanical stagnation and the average person was generally more optimistic about the future than the other way around. The fact that it all coincided with my childhood is pure happenstance.
>>741546786We are going back to the normal, what caused this valley of happiness?
>>741546856>10 teens out of 100,000 killing themselves is happy>but 14 teens out of 100,000 killing themselves is badHow to lie with a line graph.
>>741546570>It's a "Sequels will be just as loved as the Prequels" postNope not happening. The desire to pretend otherwise is cope. When the fuck are young people ever nostalgic for something they didn't personally live through?The industry is worse now than in the 1983 Game Crash.Source: Niggas who worked during both
>>741542517>Total annihilation Still popular and played today>Warcraft 3See above>Transport tycoonStill the only good logistics simulatorYou are a faggot tourist from redit, a brownoid console 3rdie. Human garbage.
>>741542517It is possible (and the case) to simultaneously pine for childhood days and for modern games to be shit
>>741544994>cod2>childhoodI always get a chuckle out of all the bait posted in these sorts of threads.
>>741546570>”The video game industry continues to make more money than ever.” >you and your ilk spend time here and on reddit ranting about layoffs, corporate hijinks, demoralization, inflated budgets and how faceless anons are ruining gaming by not buying what you sellFor the love of whatever disgusting bloodline you belong to, pick an argument, stick with it.
>>741542517I do sure, but I can literally play those old games again now and they are still better than the AAAslop being shat out nowadays.
>>741546948>having more games than ever is bad>having more variety of games than ever is badAll while high-budget games are in fact still making money.>When the fuck are young people ever nostalgic for something they didn't personally live through?I'll grant that zoomoids are a broken generation because millions of them graduated hiding in their home and at least 5 feet away from another family member while being muzzled by a mask.
>>741547108>having more games than ever is badYes. Simple exercise to the reader for why. Nta btw.
>>741547184Yes, the peak period of gaming is when you have the varied choice of 2D platformer, or the other 2D platformer, or the other 2D platformer, or this harder 2D platformer. And then we moved on to 3D platformers, and we have another 3D platformer, and we have the raunchy 3D platformer.
>>741542517Why are Gen Z playing old retro games and enjoying them more? It's not just because they want to impress their millennial nostalgia fag twitch streamers, they can see the quality.
>>741542631Post-2011 was already the point where everything became shit.Banks and investment firms had already invested into publishers and studios by 2008, so there was a 3 year period before they got properly settled while also bringing in more budget, but after that everything definitely became shit, rather than just the mass appeal slop of 2007-2011.>>741542692You might stop consooming new thing and start forcing new things to compete with old things in price and quality.Most of the reason that people don't just go back is the fetishization of technological progress from the 80s-2000s, which is gradually losing its appeal as people who are born who simply don't remember how fast things were moving or the broken promise that everything would become better forever.>>741544775They don't need to care about player money if they can get government money.>>741546856Neglecting or outright dismantling and selling essential infrastructure to fake and fuel a financial boom, because the people who benefited were going to die before experiencing consequences.
I'm 40 and games are OK nowthe worst period was around 2010 when xbox360 and ps3 reigned supreme and games got very corporate and very boring then the industry opened up again at around 2015. We're getting some amazing games now and honestly I think this is the best period for gaming I've seen. Like, I see a ton of people here mythologizing 1998 and I am sure half of them are probably zoomers that don't know shit about anything. Because I remember 1998 and some good games did come out but it was also a time when the industry was pumping out uninspired FPS and RTS shovelware one after another and it felt like other games didn't even exist. In terms of creativity and ideas we're better than at any time ever before.
>>741546856If you want my honest opinion, the internet.At the time, it recently became commercially viable to give average home owners access to the internet (pic related) and it became popular enough to get into more households in the early 90s across first world countries. The start of the decline -to me- seems to align with the start of Web 2.0, that made people ironically more lonely and when massive advertisements creeped into what was mostly a walled garden of a new wild west. When people made content (like Flash games) not because of monetary gains but simply for fun. This is what entertainment should be about, fun for the sake of fun. It was an era either way too ahead of its time or an anomaly where it managed to happen despite the rat race of globalism speeding up.>>741546919Is the difference miniscule? Yes. I don't think anyone disputes that who can read numbers.What I should reiterate, as it seems to elude conclusion, is that the graph has an anomaly with a noticable decline and incline over a period of time. The change is small, but at the same time big enough to warrant suspicion over what it could have caused a sudden dip instead of following the trend.It's time-series analysis 101.
>>741547069I didn't say anything about you ruining gaming. You don't have that power. You're ruining public community spaces for gaming like this board though. See how /v/ is dying.
>>741547241>simple exercise for why>fails to meet the barI'm sorry you're a retard, anon. Maybe if you take a break from shutposting and think really hard, you too can reach conclusions on why a massive volume of games is actually harmful. Ill root for you from the sidelines with floor level expectations.
>>741542517Thinks were objectively, measurably better.
>>741547330>”You dont have that power.” >endless layoffs, companies going under As I said pick an argument. /v/ also has nothing to do with this, red herring fallacy.
>>741547308>They don't need to care about player money if they can get government money.True but even that is playing itself out and has limits. Government grants are tiny, and taxpayers aren't infinite sponges. Every game that has had a sizeable government grant has been a cultural flashpoint working to opposite ends as they intended.
>>741547375>vidya become shit>people start ending it all like they did before vidya existedBrootal
>>741542517Wrong, style having fun with games. I miss having a fresh body full of energy not impeded by debilitating episodes of pain and fatigue. In a perfect world I'd be hooked to an opioid machine 24/7, instead we're in the meat goyslave world where suffering is the main dish for 99% of a world population too retarded to even see the reality they live in for what it is. And so they reproduce, they fuck like rabbits and won't ever stop. I hate them very much.
>>741546919That's a near 30% drop. If you think that's not significant simply because the numbers are not numerically big enough then you're retarded.Ironically, people have killed themselves for less than that over the stock market.
>>741547327I don't just think the difference is minuscule. I think by not using an updated data set, it's extremely misleading. >>741547375Is this a major argumentative point among doomers online? People nostalgiafag for the 90s and that's the peak of suicide rates according to this graph. So you're wrong?
>>741547483>layoffs have never happened before in the history of video games!>companies have never folded before in the history of video games!We haven't actually cleared the glut of overhiring from the COVID era yet. Anyway how do modern titles still succeed?
>>741547565>how to lie with statisticsAn ice cream bar could have its price raised to $2 when it was $1 before and that represents a 100% increase but nobody would ever take you seriously if you tried to make that a big deal.>Ironically, people have killed themselves for less than that over the stock market.Less than what? No reason has been given for their suicides. What are you even arguing?
I have noticed /v/ tends to only play western games
>>741547573>I think by not using an updated data set, it's extremely misleading.I'm not sure I understand your point. Your argument is that because the dataset stops at 2017 it's misleading somehow? I don't disagree how one can easily lie by zooming into a chart and say that the smallest of inclines is now a 200% increase in whatever and you should panic immediately, but I just can't say that to this chart in good conscience especially when the overall trend was already posted a few posts above and the anomaly is visible in research from other institutes, albeit in a shifted capacity. Something, somewhere around the 90s-early 2000s definitely caused an anomaly and that is significant enough to not be discarded as "misleading".So I'm still at a loss over what you argued for when you mentioned the ratio of 14-to-10 in 100k as a lie with a strong implication of a mere 4 person change being negligible.Pic not related.
>>741547792>$2 when it was $1 before and that represents a 100% increase but nobody would ever take you seriously if you tried to make that a big deal.NTA but I hear people complain about ice cream prices increasing disproportionately all the time during every summer.As for taking things seriously, gas prices have been often reported in various media even if the price increases by 10% in the US. We may argue over what weight the media holds at this point, but its definitely not "nobody".>No reason has been given for their suicides. What are you even arguing?I think that anon was referring to the Black Monday stock market crash, which caused mass suicides over a 20% fall in stock prices in a day, but that's just my guess.>On that Monday, the DJIA fell 508 points (22.6 percent), accompanied by crashes in the futures exchanges and options markets, the largest one-day percentage drop in the history of the DJIA. The DJIA fell from 2,246.74 at the open to 1,738.74 at the close. By the end of the day, the S&P 500 had fallen 20%. The Wilshire 5000 index fell 18%. Significant selling created steep price declines throughout the day, particularly during the last 90 minutes of trading.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)#The_crash
playing an old game without all the modern bullshit is quite the experience, is this what fun feels like?
>>741547051COD 2 came out over twenty years ago, anon.
>>741548369Example of that old game?
>>741548403GTA5
bro we are living through the Age of the FlopEvery AAA title by default now crashes and burns
Genuine soul in the world was lost somewhere.
>>741542517>With the exception that your favorite genre is dead or not as varied anymore, the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.How about how we get like 5x to 10x fewer videogames each year if only you ignore indie games?
>>741542517As a zoom zoom most of the games I have the fondest memories of were in my college days where I was already an adult. Im thankful that at least 1 or 2 games come out per year that still give me the same satisfaction as those early days though, it reassures me that Im still not a cynical fag like most fucks on here.
>>741548469its mostly because the budgets are outrageousand the games suck, but lets never talk about that.
>>741548485You /pw/ fags ever considered that The Rock has just become more of a hack over the years and thats why the "pop" hits different?
>>741545767>But damn, playing horror games just isn't the same as an adult.I highly recommend Voices of the Void. It's a free indie project.That game is still able to scare me at times.
>>741547960>Your argument is that because the dataset stops at 2017 it's misleading somehow?Yes. Because if you continued with the data set till today, we'll see it's stable. Because cutting it off there when it was rising precipitously gives the impression it kept rising at a similar pace to today. People might think it's 100 per 100,000 now, when it's still around 14. There was no significant increase from that point, even after we've gone through a two-year period of the entire world shutting down and billions of people getting propagandized daily that they will kill their loved ones if they so much as sneezed. If the rates have been roughly the same over the course of the last 50 years, even if it's slightly higher today on average, nostalgiafagging for a very small period of time in all those 50 years is silly.
>>741548403playin the first fable game, its pretty cool.
>>741542631This was such a shit game
>>741548514Why ignore indie games? That's the shift in the industry for over the last 15 years. Talented and ambitious people go off on their own to do their own shit, on their own terms. This dynamic is also part of the modern video game industry.
>>741547051GTA5 on ps3 is still a new game, what are you talking about?
>>741548720>Why ignore indie games?Because the ratio of good to bad is way the fuck worse with them. Are there good or even super good indie games? Yes. Are modern AAA shit consistently shit? Yes. Are indie games still of less reliable quality than games made by actual professionals from established studios? Also true.
>>741542590thismedievil shits all over the remake it's not even funny. and I only ever WATCHED people play it as a kid. It was actually my first time playing the remake and og and og is better
>>741548537Every studio is committed to only making big games with big budgets, no one is willing to 'lower' themselves to making games that aren't trying to alll be The Next Big ThingThat's OK, the AAs and indies will do that if they won't
>>741548794>Are modern AAA shit consistently shit? Yes.Did you tell the millions of people playing that they're playing a shit game?
>>741548939Did I say no good AAA games exist?
>>741548821And yet the OG game itself is not particularly impressive. It's a serviceable quirky 3D action-adventure game. There are many like it, doing pretty much the same thing with different coats of paint. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? That's the golden age of gaming?
>>741542517>endless waves of remakes and remasters of 10~20 years old games>mass layoffs left and rightYou know things are bad when even the out of touch suits already understand what is going on and are acting accordingly.The only good thing about the current industry is that modern tech and tools allow smaller teams or even singular devs to create projects on par with the classics, even if many of them end up sucking anyways for other reasons.
>>741548939>AAA apologist go get a job and IGN, what the fuck are you doing here?
>>741549104>Are modern AAA shit consistently shit? Yes. >AAA shit consistently shit? Yes. >shit consistently shit>consistently
>>741549170>>shit consistently shit>what is a qualified tautologyNta
>>741542517Not really. My childhood kind of fucking sucked and I don't miss it. I do miss the time when I didn't know exactly what to expect from a game by just watching a few seconds of gameplay, but that is in part due to the homogenization of vidya.Otherwise objectively the industry frequently sees much worse practices than we did 20 years ago. Games take 3x as long to make with 10x the budget for less detail than predecessors, which is maybe a result of reducing crunch culture (I'd hope), but isn't a good excuse with the extra given time and expense. Monetization is unbelievably worse than ever previously thought possible when small cosmetic DLC was the worst thing ever. Due to live service, franchises or entire studios can be stunlocked into supporting one game for a decade. The AA industry seems to have been struggling for a while.The only real benefit of the modern industry is the whole indie boom, but that has its own issues like everyone making the exact same games as each other. If I ever hear an indie with metroidvania deck builder roguelike survivalcraft I just turn away.
>>741549250K. The endless remake narrative is also false. Most upcoming video game titles are new or sequels.
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.if this was true there wouldn't be so many remakes and fan demand for more remakes.
>>741549118>the golden age of gaming?when did I say this? I was simply agreeing with anon that one of the childhood games I played recently was indeed better then the remake.The fact you say it's such a simple game (it is) and yet three whole generations make the same game but WORSE is very telling
>>741548651I still have trouble understanding your argument, so I'll give one more attempt.>Because if you continued with the data set till today, we'll see it's stable.And that disproves or diminishes the anomaly that disrupted the trend set by previous years how?>Because cutting it off there when it was rising precipitously gives the impression it kept rising at a similar pace to today.It wasn't "cut off", it was accurate at the time of research. The anomaly I was talking about does not disappear even if the trend becomes completely constant after 2017.Pic related comes to a similar conclusion that in a 20 year interval, there is a significant rise. It could imply that the trend may rise in a similar fashion but it does not say categorically that the trend WILL increase in the same manner beyond that point.To me, that's like looking at a temperature increase chart and for a single year and say>oh the temperature increased 20 degrees since winter, it means that it will become +40 degrees next christmas.Granted it's been a while since I discussed time-series statistics outside academia so maybe it's very normal among people to have such an impression.There's definitely an anomaly that happened between the discussed time period, something that didn't follow the trends set previously.People "nostalgiafagging" or whatever ideas you have about rose-tinted glasses may exist but given one of the only empyrical evidence for happiness (people not killing themselves) shows an anomaly I don't see why it would be some sort of nostalgia bias instead of a longing for a time that may have been actually better.
>>741549349Very telling for the team that worked on it. Not sure what it has to do with the entire industry. Kind of like Inafune and Mighty No. 9.
>>741549315What does that have to do with my post?
>>741549154Honestly I feel that gaming overall is healthier than people often think, almost all of the huge blunders/layoffs/etc are coming out of the AAA corporate giant side of the industry while smaller studios are mostly carrying on as normal and as you said the indie scene has never been bigger. It's just that the AAA corporate giants naturally take up most of the oxygen in the video game discussion space because they're huge and spend a lot of money on advertising to remind everyone that they're huge so when they shit the bed absolutely everyone is watching and talking about it.
>>741546856>>741547327>started dropping when the internet began to get truly proliferated among the outcasts of society, those most prone to giving up on it all.>started rising when smartphones were introduced to the world and normalfags were allowed to flood the internet.the dip is caused by the teens/young adults that found their corner of the internet and had that help pull them along.but with the centralization of the internet starting in 2007 that "support system" fell apart and a decade later in 2017 those outcasts had completely lost the special place that kept them going.
>>741549407That's true but that could be said about every game throughout history.
>>741549473Just informing you of another false narrative you definitely believe in.
>>741542517its not just video games, music and film are the same way.even automobiles and other manufactured goods are widely accepted as not being as high quality as before, because it is objectively observable fact.yet only video games (the biggest most lucrative entertainment industry on the planet) receives this sort of shilling and push back on what is observable reality, really interesting.
>>741542517It's not one thing, it's everything>comedy is neutered, nobody dares to be risky or offend anyone>all burger restaurants now look like soulless globohomo hipster cafes>children's playparks are dying and uncared for>less greenery than ever before, and even the little colorful plants of bushes we could have are banned because "invasive species" etc>cars are like 90% black, white, red, blue or gray, barely any color on the roads>cities are full of ghettofags and bums>customer service is replaced with bots and self-service check-outs>audiences don't have energy anymore, and everyone has short attention span>movies are shit>anime is mostly shit>videogames are turbo corporate now>buying a soda today costs like double or even triple compared to 90's>everything sweet is being turned in to artificial sweeteners and sugar replacements>mass immigration making neighbors reclusive everywhere except rural or suburban areas>western cartoons are cal-arts shit, gay or both>tranny pandering everywhere, can barely even have honest men's or women's toilets anymore>cars are ugly now, no heart in designing them like some volkswagen beetle or mini>2026 and we have NOTHING truly "futuristic" aside smartphones and internet>architecture everywhere is shitty glass cubes or "commieblocks">even trains are soulless now, while in their early days they would be works of art on the inside>almost every single franchise that was big in 80's or 90's has been ruined by new owners/creators>people appear to be unhealthier than ever, physically and mentally>almost no "white countries" left>rampant patent and copyright faggotry, lawfare and monopoly eliminating competition and creativityetc
>>741542517Yeah, I'm sure it's only nostalgia and nothing else.Industries can't degrade over time at all.
>>741549749Really? It sounds like you failing to understand what words mean and misattributing beliefs to different anons.Aren't you tired of this performance yet?
>>741549882Then say the endless remake stuff is completely overblown.
>>741549989Why should I grant you an opinion on it?I don't care about the trajectory of the industry or whether it's good or shit. I just find it fun to show how (You) are a retard, incapable of even conversing without routine fuckups.
>>74154977415 years ago the film industry was pumping out crude comedy slop and teen/young adult romance slop and slasher slop. What is observable reality is the greatest ARPG game in history exists today and not in the past.
>>741542517What does the industry have to do with my childhood? Do you think I was reading about Sega and Nintendo's business deals? How would I do that?I can say this though, when a game bombed back in the 90s it didn't waste $80 million and cost 40 people their jobs. Most of that shit was done on the cheap, except for Nintendo's and Square's projects.Virtual Bart was horrible? Oh well, they'll make a new Simpsons game in five months and make back what they lost. Although when a console bombed, it could take a whole company with it (Amiga CD32, Atari Jaguar, Philips CD-i, Sega Dreamcast)
>>741542517You're not fooling anyoneVideogames were better 20 years ago
>>741549787The gaming industry I knew had modest budgets, 2-3 year dev cycles, and put out something relatively groundbreaking every other month. How is that even remotely similar to how gay everything is now?
>>741542517>>741542596Video Games made on the same scale as 20 years ago are still all fantasticIt's all the new games of even bigger, unprecedented scale, that is total irredeemable slop/v/irgins don't get this because you're all retards and casuals that only play whatever's the biggest name on the market
>>741546570>The most hyped /v/ had ever been was when Elden Ring released.What a way to broadcast your newfag status to everyone, anon.Good job. Good job.
>>741546975Transport fever pushes close though for logistics games.And if you want to include factory&logistics together, ooh-- boy. Factorio alone is more crack than TT, TTD, or OpenTTD ever were.
>>741542517>>741542742If it's all just nostalgia, why is it that often find myself liking old games that I never played before better than newer games?I played Morrowind decades after its release and have zero nostalgia for it, and while its hardly a perfect game and definitely has some odd and archaic systems, the setting is vastly more compelling than the Elder Scrolls games that came after it.
>>741542517I disagree. I can pick a random game from the PS1 library that I've never played before and get more enjoyment from the average modern game. Even the shovelware had cool FMVs or an entertainingly bad dub
>>741542847my only experience with playstation games before bloodborne was playing the toystory game at my cousins place.but playing time splitters from 1 to future perfects was fucking fantastic, the campaign had a great balance of cutscenes, self depreciating humor, and funny jokes.and the gameplay, while a bit rough, was totally playable.and the deathmatch would have had my obsessed as a teen, getting all the unlocks, co-oping with my bros to get better times and higher scores.its insane how much more i got from that compared to space marine 2.which is still a good game, but shit dude, is been like 20 years.
>>741542517Games aren't worse. The people playing them are, and that in turn influences business models and the direction of the industry.It used to just be a fun hobby, now it's an entire fucking identity and insufferable twats are everywhere.
It's funny how /v/ would be bitching about how video games are shit the games industry is dead since 2010 and yet 16 years later it's still a younger generation of anons doing it while saying "you dont know how good you have it, games in the past were so much better"
>>741552849>Games aren't worseThey are. Shut up.
>>741552205it reminds you of the things you "remember" and you idolize it by trying to associate it with them rather than reality.
>>741542830confirmed bait
>>741553059Big publisher games have gotten in terms of design philosophy, yes.Overall, not really if not counting AI slop which has only started recently. Things will definitely go downhill in that regard though.
>>741542517Shalom
>>741542517Presented without comment
>>741553952what changed in 1994 that killed off the suicide rate? videogames? all the sad kids died in school shootings instead?
>>741554115>1994 was a legendary year for gaming, serving as a golden era for 16-bit consoles (Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis) while the industry laid the groundwork for the next generation. It delivered monumental classics, set new genre standards, and sparked intense hardware competition.>The year saw the release of masterpieces that still top "best of all time" lists:Super Metroid (SNES): Defined the "Metroidvania" genre with its atmospheric exploration.Donkey Kong Country (SNES): Revolutionized graphics with its pre-rendered 3D sprites.Doom II (PC): Followed up the genre-defining original with more intense, hellish FPS action.Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Genesis): The pinnacle of 16-bit platforming, introducing Knuckles as a playable character.EarthBound (SNES): A quirky, emotionally resonant RPG that developed a massive cult following.Final Fantasy VI (SNES): Pushed the boundaries of 16-bit storytelling and character development.
>>741554320if i wanted an AI response i would have asked an AI.talk like a human instead of regurgitating what the bot says.
>>741554115Amazing era of games and the rise of the internet. 1990 had <1% of the US adult population with the internet. By 2000 it was almost half the US adult population.
>>741554402OkayYes it was the golden age of video games, and in the verge of going from the 16bit to the 32bit era made it seem like the future held endless possibilities and technological wondersAlso life in general was better back then
>>741553952>2007 is widely regarded as the year everything started going to shit>suicide rates immediately start going up and don't stopMakes total sense honestly.
If I could gas the "things aren't getting worse" crowd I would.
>>741554115It has been explained before on many threads but I keep forgetting. Something to do with with living conditions in the US in the early 80s.Young men in the mid 90s were experiencing an economic boom and weren't hounded by the horrors of the mid 80s.
>>741554516I genuinely thought that people with that opinion didn't actually exist and it's just shitposting or corporate campaigns until I met one in person.Even when I pressed them with something like the dollar-to-gold purchasing power or the average work hours needed to purchase a house, he just claimed that it's all inflation-adjusted and nothing actually changed.I was honestly disturbed by it all.
>>741553952its almost like having good leadership results in happier people
>>741554957B-but we have iPhones and Netflix now!There's never been a better time to be alive!
>>741549558health is a pretty abstract term, same as the "state of the industry", especially if you've put yourself in the mind prison of indie VS AAA, whether you're looking at modern indie games published by devolver (oxymoron) or comparing old games which were made by like 5 guys and simply got the console SDK (not many "A"s to be found)sure you can indulge your schadenfreude by looking at the most stereotypical san fran lefties being "made redundant", but then you turn right back to waiting for the few developers you trust to put out anything (good shit takes a while to make, what a shock) and gold-panning in the sewage streams of direct-to-steam and itchio (and that's if you care about small artsy projects at all)my personal blight is not giving a shit popular genres and being invested in relatively niche genre, there is maybe one new game a year that caters to my particular tastes, which just makes me feel out of touch (out of time) with all the consolewars and fashionable genre-slop releases
>>741553952You're all midwits.>>741546786>>741547375This "argument" is genuinely the dumbest, most dishonest, most low IQ shit imaginable. THREE WHOLE FEWER PEOPLE KILLED THEMSELVES OUT OF EVERY 100,000? That's what happiness looks like. Yes, it's still 10 out of every 100,000 that's killing themselves, but midwits just not know how to read graphs I guess.
>>741542517Anon I miss the gaming industry of my childhood because it was before five public companies had purchased and gutted every single development studio in existence.I know it's an alien concept to you kids these days but developers and publishers used to be completely separate things. Developers would have a idea for a game, build a pitch or a demo, and then shop it around to find a publisher willing to help fund its development in exchange for publishing and distribution rights.Starting in the early 2000's EA and Ubisoft and Activision (and later on Microsoft and Sony) started buying out and staging hostile takeovers against every developer with any kind of funding or footprint.Now we have an entirely consolidated market owned by a handful of companies violating every antitrust law on the books where these giant publishers control everything about gaming with the sole goal of profit growth qoq on paper.
>>741554957So why don't you just kill yourself?
>>741548607>I highly recommend Voices of the HRT>That game is still able to scare me at times.I guess stopping hormone replacement therapy while a furry-tranny cat makes its appearances is peak horror for mentally ill shitcord people like you
>>741555304So which period of the video game industry do you miss and what are those video games?
>>741555258>a decline in suicide rates its not a sign of happier times did we forget bill clinton managed to run a surplus? then george bush shot that shit full of holes and its never recovered
>>741555435Did you just not read the post?Try real hard, kiddo. Read and process what you're reading. Use context clues.
>>741555476I don't respond to posts written by an underage, uneducated toddler. Capitalize properly.
>>741542517only lazy idiots would´t find a good game now, we live in the renaissance of video games, yeah the eee made mostly shit but there are so much small studios out there with really good ideas
>>741555476I am by no means holding water for Bush, dumb cunt made shit up to push us into a war to enrich Haliburton.That said Clinton also sucked a million dicks. His surplus was from gutting welfare and demolishing the bank regulations that were preventing wild speculation and bad loan bundling in the housing market (ie he caused the 2008 financial crash)Fuck every president since Carter.
>>741555557Such as?
>>741555490So everything went to shit starting from the early 2000s. You dismiss the last 25 years at least of the video game industry. I'm very confident in saying there's nothing I could play from before the 2000s and hail it up as the best game and nothing better came after.
>>741555258Out of curiosity, what kind of metric would (You) say is the closest to an objective measurement for happiness across a time period?How about the ratio of people getting married or having childre- wait a second...
>>741542692Nothing but sometimes nostalgia can prevent you to see good new things
>>741555258You are encouraged to provide any other possible quantifiable metric to gauge overall happiness of a population. And if there are none that can satisfy you, then what sort of highground are you even trying to hold?
>>741555340>I guess stopping hormone replacement therapy while a furry-tranny cat makes its appearances is peak horror for mentally ill shitcord people like youHave you actually tried playing the game or did you see a screenshot of one of the alien species and you decided to call it a day?
>>741555615>I'm very confident in saying there's nothing I could play from before the 2000s and hail it up as the best game and nothing better came after.Consolidation happened over a decade not overnightConsider adding something worthwhile to the conversation instead of "I've never played any of them but I bet there are no good games prior to 2000"
>>741542742No dude, the past was good, its just the present what isen´t that bad, it´s prettty similar if you ignore the big studios, the small ones who produces without corpurate pressure make some good games, but like in the 90´s most of the people look for it
>>741555641>>741555624You guys know there are literal happiness indexes, right?That's something we do ask about regularly.
>>741553139>it reminds you of the things you "remember" and you idolize it by trying to associate it with them rather than reality.
>>741555624The fertility and marriage rates of pretty much every country on Earth was significantly higher during WW1 and WW2 than today.
>>741546786wtf happened between 2003 and 2007? And why did the golden age end there?
>>741555721>So which period of the video game industry do you miss and what are those video games?I'll ask you the same question again. Why are you refusing to answer?
>>741555614Projekt zomboid, Scedule one, easy red 2, over the top, to name a few (don´t remember the names of the studios behind them and im to lazy to look it up)
>>741555976I did answer, you're just functionally illiterate
>>741556047Name a video game.
>>741555974>Duhhhhhhhhhhh what happened in 2008?You must be 18+ to use this website
>>741555756>happiness indexes>worldhappiness.report, the largest publisher in the topic>Life satisfaction: Like the Cantril Ladder, life satisfaction is a specific type of life evaluation question. A common question is: Overall, how satisfied are you with your life nowadays?, from not at all (0) to completely (10).>Affect: Another method is to focus on a person’s feelings or emotional states, usually at a particular point in time, and divided into two opposing categories: positive affect (e.g., laughter, enjoyment, interest) and negative affect (e.g., worry, sadness, anger). A common question is: Did you experience (enjoyment, worry etc.) during a lot of the day yesterday? (Yes/No).Riveting measurements. I'm sure these are a very reliable.
>>741555909Were these rates even higher before the wars?
>>741556095>You can't measure happiness by polling people and asking how happy they are! You have to divine it from the tea leaves and suicide graphs!Dipshit.
>>741556095dude things are objectively worse now then they where working 2 jobs should never be seen as normal
>>741556058Your momI played her just last night
No, I miss better times. Life is fucking horrible now. I wish things were the way they were back when I bought a game and owned it and then an expansion came out for half the price of the original game. I miss when the people who made video games liked video games and when video games were good. I miss when my games weren't full of woke pandering nonsense that's only there for DEI funding. I miss when society wasn't promoting mental illness and putting it into games.
>>741555756>literal happiness indexes>mean opinion score on national quality of lifeNot to get into arguments just for the sake of it, but this isn't any more helpful. Unless you correlate the reports with more concrete data, like suicide rates or home ownership. Yeah 20% less suicides and 2 less suicides sure sounds way more different as a rhetoric, but it is a very simple objective metric, unlike anything self-reported that always comes with countless caveats.
>>741555756Ok, what's a trustworthy source for that which DOESN'T say everything is worse?
>>741555641There is no metric. It's not suicide rates because the current rate of the same teen + young adult category is like 14 people per 100,000 when it was 12 people per 100,000 50 years ago. It's not marriage or fertility because those are way higher in the past during extensive and intense episode of global war and the Great Depression. It's not economic measures because the world has never been more productive.Happiness is about self-fulfillment and contentment. People in the past were much, much, much easier to satisfy and they reached contentment with faaaaaaaaaar fewer needs and wants met. Also religiosity lowers that threshold of contentment by a significant margin. Basically what's changed is you're all ungrateful, greedy heathens.
>>741556174>You can't use metrics such as people choosing to end their whole lives because they are unhappy as a measurement for happiness! You have to ask a select few about how their day went and hope you get an unbiased answer that you can use as correlation!Two can play this game retard.
>>741556296>What's a trustworthy source that will lie to me and tell me I'm rightlollmao
>>741556089I'm 19, I was still sucking on momma's tits at that age unc. Don't be the kind of boomer whose only source of pride is that he's old.
>>741556296Wow, what the fuck happened in 2020?!
>>741556413do i really need to explain that?
>>741556353Except what you wrote sarcastically is true Suicide stats are a measure of one thing: how many people are successfully committing suicide. If you think you can glean anything else from that stat you need a basic lesson in confounding variables.
>>741556394>I'm 19For your sake I hope that's a lie because a 19 year old not knowing about the housing crash is pretty pathetic. Read a book.
>>741542517I've played some golden oldies for the first time last year at age 27, it's not just nostalgia. (You insidious demoralisation agent)
>>741556352Sounds like a decent judgement, actually. You could still make a metric out of it, you can count anything after all, but search for fulfillment is """merely""" one of the foundational philosophical questions so that's gonna take a while to count.
>>741542517>You miss your childhood. That's all there is to it.Objectively untrue. I've gone back and played a bunch of game from 1998-2007 and one thing pretty much all have in common is clear artistic intent; they were made with a passion for storytelling and aesthetics. Look at games made today, they are almost completely made by committee in a boardroom, with the main intent being monetary in nature.
>>741556163Yes. Way higher. This period was marked as one of intense race-related terrorism, widespread civil instability, and high levels of organized gangs and crime. The white nationalist film The Birth of a Nation was screen in the White House in 1915s. The KKK was at the peak of its influence and power in the 20s, notably conducting their march on Washington rally during this decade. And lynchings were at an all-time high. I guess that's when America was better?
>>7415425173 out of 4 of my favorite genres are dead. Gaming is significantly worse for me.
>>741556785Just play older games, unironically. Invest in HDDs and star backing up that shit.
Why do people only remember "the good old days", but nobody want to build "the good new days"?
>>741542847>except I also went back and played games I had no nostalgic attachment toI did the same thing. Before that I thought I might just be jaded. Turns out games just were better back then and that's all there is to it.
>>741556928I would answer unironically but I've already been off-topic warned. Just play some god games and fogettaboutit
>>741556945yep. i've been playing tons of PS2 games lately, plenty i'd never touched before.like where the fuck are you going to get a game like Road Trip Adventure these days? basically a NES era style rpg but it's within an open world driving/racing game.
>>741557013>Rais Bin Askut's mujahideen actually got the swine
>>741542517EVERYTHING is worse not just gayming
>>741546417Sold less than remake4
>>741557095For me it was Commandos 2. I only ever really completed the first mission as a kid but when I played it fully last year I got so invested it felt like I was that kid again. Literally couldn't put the game down and kept playing till 2 or 3 AM for a week. Now in comparison the nuCommandos that released recently sucks donkey dick and it tried to ape the old games really hard.
>>741556785Understandable.
>>741557113I hate this image on a primordial level...
>>741557151Give it time. RE4 Remake sold 5 million units in four months. RE Requiem did that in five days. It is THE fastest selling title in the entire franchise.
>>741542517the only reason anyone watches southpark and much of their humor is due to flagrant abuse of memberberries.
>>741548586He's talking about the flash photography in the crowd doofus
>>741556890That's what I do but it sucks knowing barely any new games that I would enjoy are gonna come out in the future.
>>741542517There was no such thing as ESG or DEI in the 90’s and 00’s. Games were made by a small team of gamers. Usually white and Asian men.Imagine if cosmetic companies brought in a bunch of straight men to design lipstick. Because they were convinced 50% of lipstick users were male. That’s why video games suck now.
>>741556928Because nobody has any hope for the future being better.
>>741557586Personally I blame she
Wonder how the homeposters are doing 7 years later
>>741557586Developer like that still exist and they still make great games like Bethesda with starfield
>>741542517I do miss my childhood but that has nothing to do with games. I miss those times because it was the era before 10-layers-of-irony faggots and street shitters infected every corner of the internet
>>741555705I did. After the house on the tree and invisible cats the game becomes a theme park, jumpscares is the only thing that can spook, with few exclusions, like the approaching signal. There is no mystery, pressure, just some absurd shit happening.
>>741542517This is objectively false, the earnings prove it: Unless your childhood is roblox, all the games you like are on Death's door
>>741556502I don't think the housing crash is the reason teens killed themselves. 2007 is when social media started to get popular.
>>741542590This.
>>741556502>a 19 year old not knowing about the housing crash is pretty pathetickek you fossils are so out of touch
>>741558105>come back home>have a good time gearing up>raidlogging sets in>bid all my guildies farewell and quit just before christmas>still talk to some of them I have very good memories of it but I wouldn't ever want to touch the game again. I quit just at the right time.
>>741542517I've abandoned most of my childhood games. I've even abandoned most of my childhood genres. I think the only games I still have a soft spot for are 2d zelda-likes and a baffling urge to go back and finish Wario World. Oh, and also Megaman Battle Network, but I went and did that recently before dropping the series at 4.
>>741542517I dont remember gatchas, liveservice slop, and roblox dominating the gaming industry when i was a kid but whaterever iguess gamings not worse than ever
1995-2009 was the golden age, the videogame market became too big after that and all the frauds, criminals, and morons flooded the industry just like TV and movies.Look up AAA releases of any year during that time period and compare it to today and you'll know I'm right.
>>741542517you have brain damage and there is no way to properly convey this to you because you have brain damage
>>741542517WrongI used to love play UMS/Custom maps on StarCraft and warcraft 3. It was so good to go on bnet and just play any old random intriguing sounding custom game with randoms online and it could range anywhere from pvp to coop to RPG and had so much different variety of content and quality. You never knew what you were gonna get and it was a great addictive time.That time is long long over now.And we'll never get it back after sc2 and reforged.Fuck you.
>>741542847This.Growing up I only had a shitty PC and played some good albeit low requirement games like doom and wolf especially RTCW and BF1942. However being that I missed out on a lot of other PC games and also console games.Over the last 5 years I went back and played a lot of what I missed 20 years ago and lo and behold they were practically all far far better than the shit offerings of today.You can't say it's nostalgia since I never played them before when I was young. The old games are just better.
>GTA6 trailer releases>"Oh shit I might actually need to upgrade my 12 year old GPU to play this! How am I supposed to afford that??? My neetbux can't cover those costs!!">Thirdies and poorfags make 40 straight threads about individual missing street lights to copeModern vidya discourse is all about burnt out millennial faggots hitting their midlife crisis and blaming the game for them slowly rotting away irl. It hits the hardest during eurofaggot hours, since western eurofags are deadbeat ass NEETs who never moved out, and eastern eurofags are orcs who aggressively hate all life on earth.
>>741560767>It was so good to go on bnet and just play any old random intriguing sounding custom game with randoms online and it could range anywhere from pvp to coop to RPG and had so much different variety of content and quality. You never knew what you were gonna get and it was a great addictive timeyou're literally describing roblox old man
its funny how the best games and shows are from the 90's and early 2000's.we're almost at 2030 and its been non-stop remakes and normal dev times for games is 6 years.kids get ONE final fantasy or dragon quest in their entire childhood.meanwhile in the 90s every single year had a billion games.
>>741560960What the fuck? Fuck that zoomershit. There's a distinct difference between the two.Unlike zoomblox, SC and WC3 customs had soul
>>741561114>And early 2000sHalf this board is convinced that vidya peaked with BLOPS2, BF3/4, and calls Skyward Sword a misunderstood gem. Aka "I was in high school in 2010." There are 2 different millennial vs zoomer generation wars in the catalog right now about Quake and Dark Souls
I miss when the firewall kept chinks out of my games
>>741542517Wasn't a child when Titanfall and Rainbow six weren't skinner box hero shooters filled with brown zoomers they sell sounds to though.
>>741560767Zoomers will never get to experience how good we had it.
>>741542517>You miss your childhood. That's all there is to it. Yes and no. Also not relevant to games.>With the exception that your favorite genre is dead or not as varied anymore,Also not really true with the exception of JRPGs which are far past their golden years.>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.AAA is absolutely. I play maybe 1 AAA game each year. Smaller budget games and indie games are doing absolutely amazing things, though, so video games as a whole are doing well. Small-mid sized studios made of westerners are doing really cool things like they did a couple of decades ago. I just wish Japanese devs would learn how to do that properly. It seems like all of them either work at a large company or do nothing productive at all.
>>741561354tale as old as time, it's just the modern digital infrastructure allows every out of touch man and inexperienced boy to argue over stupid bullshitwhen was the last time you seen anybody mock halo as baby's first shooter? have you seen ff13 apologists coming out of the woodwork? soon only the youtube videos will remain for posterity, and then nothing at all
>>741561680>have you seen ff13 apologists coming out of the woodwork?Yes>>741556069
>>741542517>
>>741542590For me it's games that were released when I was a kid but never got a chance to play.
>>741561354>BLOPS 2, BF3/4, and calls Skyward Sword a misunderstood gemahh yes, normie fps games and the wiithere's even a gen of kids who grew up with roblox/minecraft and nothing elsethe only shows they know is spongebob/teen titans go
>>741542517Nope I'm playing megaman x for the first time and it's fucking awesome
Wrong, without Ape Escape, gaming is infinitely worse
>>741542830I played the original at launch, I've played every RE game, I've played OG4 for hundreds of hours and I'd rather play the remake because the gameplay is just better and after playing both versions for that long, the visuals and characters in the original being better provide no kind of real benefit. I hope CV is anywhere close to as good in terms of gameplay, and that Anpo gets to make an original game some time.
>>741542517Even alphas and zoom zooms who have literally never seen anything good from their era recognize something's wrong and off about current day
>>741542590This, my childhood was mostly miserable and the games were most of the good parts. I still play plenty of new games but it's nice to know I can go back literally any time and play an increasingly large amount of games if nobody is making anything good I want. Never felt FOMO, never worried about chasing the cutting edge of buggy fucked games and can wait for two years before buying when everything is fixed and its on sale if its worth it.Being an adult is way better, sure I have to pay for my own stuff but I didn't get shit when I was a kid, so it's not like that was better.
>>741542590Same, the best times i have playing games are usually old games, and that's counting old games that I'm playing for the first time.That's not to say there aren't new games that i enjoy, but that's few and far between.Games were objectively better in the past and that's a fact
>>741561114The sad thing is alot of these newer kids have no sort of media culture to call their own. No trends or interesting media to rally behind, nothing.
>>741542517>You miss your childhoodno fucking shit retard. who the fuck doesn't?no I didn't read the rest of your post.
>>741556413I was going to make a joke by finding the most innocuous thing that happened in 2020 on wikipedia but I forgot fucking george floyd died in 2020 too. That whole fucking year was miserable for memes it was just coof and nigger and /pol/'s somewhat tiny vocab reduced to like three words. Anyway uh, oh Israel and the UAE signed a peace deal and normalised relations. I'm glad things calmed down in the middle eat.
>>741564701>I'm glad things calmed down in the middle eat.Israel wants to destroy all of Lebanon.
>>741564964>>741556448Are you this guy? If so, damn man.
>>741542517If old things truly aged poorly, how come there's basically fuck all in terms of brand new things and the only things that get attention are reboots/remakes/remasters?
>>741542830Most people are literal shit eating morons. How the fuck did we get to the point where /v/ of all places is arguing in favor of the majority instead of looking down on them as mouthbreathing normalfags? Look at the most popular thing in any form of media, music, movies, video games, what the fuck ever - it's almost always liquid shit. People are retards heavily influenced by marketing and a desire to fit in with whatever they are told everyone else is doing.I'm genuinely getting tired of feeling like this board ISN'T mostly faggots who grew up in the 80's and the 90's and share the same childhood experience as me. I'm not joking. If you aren't part of that demographic, shut up and fuck off you drooling diaper shitting retard.
>>741542517Then why is it that whenever I go back and play some highly praised classic from the 90s or 2000s that ive never played in my life, on consoles i never owned, its almost always great and becomes a new favorite of mine, whereas 9/10 new games i play are dogshit, even when theyre new entries in my favorite series? Kill yourself
>>741565174damn unc is hella mad
Why am I seeing such a strong push recently to convince people that the past actually sucked and none of it was real?
>>741565025No, I just saw your post and commented it on. I have no idea what other retarded arguments you're having.
>>741542517Remeber when you would get a trilogy of games OR MORE for a series per console generation? That is not only never gonna happen again, you will also get a remake of only one of those games every 5 years, and a sequel after 10.
>>74156517490% of this site's traffic these days is bots and foreigners
>>741565304You know this isn't the anime board, right? You know that isn't welcome here.
>>741542517>old games>hard>new games>not hardThat's all you need to know.
>>741560767Insanely based.
>>741565507it's bots (cheeseposter proved this), foreigners and the tsunami of normalfags that invaded the entire internet thanks for smartphones
>>741565361desperate attempts to cope with a rapidly and visibly dying world orderif things weren't actually better than they can't be getting worseof course that's all complicated by the fact that a mythical past is one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book making any claim about things having been better at some other point immediately suspicious, but it really is true that gaming was better before a handful of giant corpos took it over
>>741542517Shut the fuck up Jew shill
>>741565174>Most people are literal shit eating morons.Post your game time in both OG4 and the remake to prove that you've actually played both and aren't just shitposting vaguely about new things. And before you act like a completely retarded faggot and insist you played it when it came out on console, remember than anyone who's actually a fan of RE4 and a real oldfag played the shit out of the HD mod when it came out because of how good it was.
i literally just dont actually know how uncs can stomach these games they are so fucking ugly and old and they play so poorly its insane, I tried to play Silent Hill last week and it controls like shit but people will go "OOOO THE FOG SO SPOOKY" like they are twelve years old but meanwhile they will shit all over stuff like Backrooms for being the same thing...
>>741565507No its mostly phoneposters. This is why nearly every post has some ugly apple filename or m.jpg or why hardly anyone posts images, gifs or webms period anymore.
>>741565361Gotta delete or muddy the past so that the present doesn't seem as bad. It's like 1984, can't have people realizing things were better in the past or else they might wanna change things for the better.
>>741565610NTA but I didn't even touch the remake because it looked like absolute shit style wise and I could tell from gameplay videos alone that it has that same floaty slow jogging movement all the recent remakes have where turning takes a full second thanks to cinematic mocap animations and all the guns feel like they are barely tickling enemiesalso nu-Ashley looks like she is wearing a fucking wig, Ada isn't nearly as sexy and I'm sure they flanderized Leon so now he's le epic quip man>you have to eat poop to tell me it tastes badNo way fag
>>741565174>How the fuck did we get to the point where /v/ of all places is arguing in favor of the majority instead of looking down on them as mouthbreathing normalfags?Most people here just shitpost from their phones and say things they don't actually mean.
>>741565796>RTX 3070gotta love how the only argument from Godmake haters is that they are too poor to play it
>>7415651744chan has been mostly normalfags since the 2010s, arguably the very late 2000s. Remember that the >>>/soc/ board exists and has existed since like 2010.
>>741565667it can be two things
>>741565796>but I didn't even touch the remakeThen your opinion on the matter is objectively worthless.>and I could tell from gameplay videos aloneNo you can't, because you're wrong.>and all the guns feel like they are barely tickling enemiesAnd this is why we can't have threads where people actually talk about video games. Retarded shitposters pretending to be based oldfags who don't actually play video games and just make things up while insisting old things are better.>also nu-Ashley looks like she is wearing a fucking wig,nu-Ashley is complete garbage, yes.>Ada isn't nearly as sexyAbsolutely fucking wrong on every level.>and I'm sure they flanderized Leon so now he's le epic quip manNope, that was RE9.>you have to eat poop to tell me it tastes badIf you weren't completely wrong about the gameplay, then you might have a point, but you aren't so you don't. Retarded third worlders who don't play video games don't get to pretend their opinions about gameplay matter. Ever.
>>741565525Anime website
I still play games from 20-30 years ago for the first time and most of them are objectively better.
>>741565796You can just say you don't play video games if you wanted to say that
>>741565361common jew tactic, they use academia and "news" media to push the orwellian consensus. women were always feminist. games were always shit. brown people were always everywhere. etc.
>we Jews don’t understand happy memories Hmm
>>741566203my opinion is worth more than yours, I can absolutely tell all of that from a 360p webm with no sound, you are objectively wrong and have bad taste and the fact that you can't tell this even after playing it demonstrates how fucking retarded you are>nu-Ada is sexyNo way fag
>>741565361>THE PAST SUCKED AND THE PRESENT IS THE BEST THAT TIMES HAVE EVER BEENOkay so can I see the past and enjoy it?>N-NO! BUT WHY WOULD YOU ANYWAYS? THE PRESENT IS SO GREAT SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO DELIST ALL THOSE CLASSIC GAMES! AND DON'T YOU DARE EMULATE THEM!Mmmmmmmm I am not so sure you're being truthful mister shekelgruber...
>>741566203This demake came out years ago and it still has shills, thats amazing.
>>741566579Still has players too
>>741566387>my opinion is worth more than yours, I can absolutely tell all of that from a 360p webm with no sound, you are objectively wrong and have bad taste and the fact that you can't tell this even after playing it demonstrates how fucking retarded you areThis makes me think your post was supposed to be an obvious joke parodying retarded niggerfaggots who don't actually play games, are shit at them and don't understand them on any level, but then you pretend nu-Ada isn't better looking and I have to assume that you're just gay and retarded. Ada looks less chinky and has a far better body now.>>741566579Post game time and hand. Your opinions mean nothing until you do.
>>741555315The people who deserve death are those who think that it's fine actually
>>741556095Then you look in the study and the actual questions are shit like "do you think that democracy works"
>>741566664I'm not joking at all>less chinkyShe's asian you massive faggot>far better bodyyou can't even see it under her sweater burqa, look at her upper body on the old model>le post hand memehis skin could be the color of shit and he'd have more value than you do you tasteless blind human garbage. The darkest nigger from the heart of Africa is more human than you could ever pretend to be
>>741566579I'm not real big on RE or anything, but it really is crazy how much worse this particular bit is in the remake. Worse still is how you could break it down and detail all the ways in which it is worse, and you'd more likely than not be met with a shrug and a 'so?'.Terrible times.
>>741566387Rule34 disagrees with you
>>741566921I guess 2013 Lara is the sexiest rendition too by that tard logic
>>741566804>She's asian you massive faggotAnd? Are you some kind of fag with yellow fever that thinks the most attractive asians have the squintiest eyes and the most rail thin bodies?>you can't even see it under her sweater burqaExcept you can see her boobs are much larger in the image I just posted. You can even see her abs through her tight top. It's better, and you're gay and angry.>le post hand memeIt's not a meme. Shitskin shitposters who don't actually play video games are a blight on this board. You're spiritually black and you argue about games you literally do not play. You're a subhuman. Completely worthless. A disgusting piece of shit making /v/ a worse board with every garbage post you make complaining about generalities and not actually playing video games. You are the eternal cancer and you should really kill yourself.
>>741566971Yeah faggot?
>>741561354>Aka "I was in high school in 2010."2010 was my last year of HS and I absolutely loathe everything about nuCoD and nuBF.
>>741566579>Remake doesn't have the monster eat you in-engine, it's just a cutscene>The pier disappears for no reason>You never see Leon actually get eaten, why make a vague 'death' cutscene?>Doesn't have the classic red "YOU ARE DEAD" popup while you're in it's jaws>You don't even see Del Lago go back into the water unlike the originalFrom an objective cinematography point of view, the remake's version is abysmal dogshit
>>741542590HOLY BASED
>>741567189>not in engine>is clearly in engineRetard discarded
>>741560767This takes me back
>>741567394Clearly not in engine lmao.
>>741567436You're a retarded nigger who doesn't know what words mean. It's all done in engine. There are no pre-rendered FMVs in the game.
>>741567473Except there clearly is. Cope and seethe faggot.
>>741567394NTA but he's clearly referring to how there's no cut to a separate shot in the original, where it just pulls back to accommodate Del Lago. In the remake there's not only a shot cut, but a pause before he appears. Its worse in both framing and timing.
>>741542517What's that? Can't hear you over everything closing and everyone getting fired.
>>741542517Only chemically imbalanced think about the past and actually get sad about it. Its an illness. Only reason to think about your "past" is to learn from it.
No.Games used to come complete on disk/cart.No day one patches to make the game actually playable. No updates, so there was no mindset of "we will just patch it" the games HAD to work out of the box.No DLC, no Micros. PC games had expansions at worse.There was no having to log into online mode to validate the game key.Games did not just magically stop working a few years after purchase because the servers shut down.There was no "Play The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time from X Date - Y Date to unlock the Gold Tunic!"You did not need to play X amount of time/matches a day to get things or forever miss out on them. The people who made games did so with the idea of "will someone enjoy playing this enough to buy instead of rent, and tell their friends to buy it as well?", not "will someone get the MESSAGE?!"They also were not made by people who desperately want to be accepted in Hollywood elite circles. They were not Auteurs, it was a bunch of fucking nerds and stoners.Gaming was objectively better 20+ years ago before the current always online era we are in.
>>741567524If that's what they wanted to say, then they shouldn't be actively defending that point
>>741567189Same with the gore, where it just covers your screen in blood when hit by a chainsaw when 20 years ago your head could roll off into the distance and, if you were lucky, stops with its eyesight directly on Ashley's panties, calling you a pervert.Its the little things.
>>741567590>No updates, so there was no mindset of "we will just patch it" the games HAD to work out of the box.Anon that's wrong.Basically any game you can think of that had real popularity had multiple pressings of different versions and later versions would have bugfixes and sometimes even balance changes.
>>741567523Why are third worlders like this?
>>741567696The problem with saying it's worse from a bunch of little things that don't matter when it does do some things better, you start to sound like butthurt Crowbcat
>>741567590I like when pretend oldfags who don't remember games shipping broken complain about modern things.
>>741567745>>741567590To be clear I don't want to minimize how bad dark patterns have gotten in gaming, your attention is the real product some of these companies are selling, but that's not a consequence of the internet being around or games being patched. It's down to monopolistic behaviors.Pretty much everything stems from that, even the part about developers no longer being passionate or talented. Why would someone with that drive and skill work for a quarter of what they're worth under unbearable crunch conditions to make some corporate-mandated trash?
>>741567818>It's worse, but it's better because it's new and not old!Shut up.
>>741567919Crowbcat spotted, hows your youtube carrer going?
>>741567954Still not buying your game.
>>741542742>the same people who will tell you that games are better than ever are the same people who will tell you the world hasn't gotten markedly worse in the last 30 years
>>741567818>little things that don't matter Trivializing, everything matters.
>>741565361You were told the industry was crashing years ago and you shrugged it off as hyperbole or wishful thinking or a joke. You watched two of the biggest players in the market get acquired like it was just another Thursday, three if you're not illiterate and understand Ubisoft is now effectively Tencent's. Well, guess what?
>>741568006I wish i made a game as good as RE4remake. I'd be rolling in it (if japan paid game devs fucking anything)
>>741568098Still not buying your game.
>>741568059Which is why the story and pacing is far better in the remake
>>741568068It's hard to care when all these studios went to shit well before they got acquiredTencent bought ubisoft and microsoft bought activision blizzard...cool...they're bagholders. Those studios are complete dogshit that haven't made a game that cracked the 5/10 ceiling in over 15 years.
>>741567870>games shipping brokenmust've been a nu-game
>>741568068People are way too retarded and distracted to realize that mergers and acquisitions did this damage and that antitrust enforcement is the only remedy.Even when people understand on some level that corporate greed is the issue they immediately fall down some retarded racist rabbit hole.
>>741568059>everything matters.Especially gameplay, like how the remake makes bear traps work on enemies which affects gameplay a lot but the original doesn't.
>>741568202>those studiosAnon those are publishersYou think they're studios because you've never been alive in a period where developer studios existed outside of publishersBecause those publishers you just mentioned bought them all
>>741567870Name 3 PS2 games shipped broken
>>741568223No, actually. I was referring to one of my childhood favorites, Digimon World on PS1.>>741568309>PS2Too new. I just gave a PS1 game.
>>741542517I'm 43 years old and have NEVER touched a video game until 2021 (Covid). Got into emulation almost immediately.Video games peaked between 1995-2010 and if you disagree you deserve to watch your mother get raped to death with a metal shovel. With few exceptions, modern video games are largely slop.
>>741542517There is a reason no one creates anything original anymore and most of modern media is either sequels or remakes.
>>741567552Learn what exactly? That you were younger, healthier, had all doors open?
>>741567590>No updates, so there was no mindset of "we will just patch it" the games HAD to work out of the box.Looking at you, Garriot. You fuck. I had to get my patch for ultima IV in the fucking mail, from another country, in the early 90s. While your company was mid-collapse/buyout so it wasn't even clear you'd send it.You FUCK. Pic related it's Iolo.
>>741567818>a bunch of little things that don't matterYou can extend that logic to the entire remake then. The point of any remake in the first place is to iterate and improve on what the original did well and remove what didnt, and when nice tiny flavor pieces get cut or end up worse it undermines the entire point even if the major parts are there.
New games are fucking RADICAL and I am having a blast playing them.You can play heaps of different games like>Remake of existing title made 20 years ago, but worseAnd>Open world lite-RPG crafting shooter!And>Planned obsolescence hero shooter skinnerbox!The choices are endless!
>>741568360What was broken about it? If it was that bad, it could be a huge reason no one cares about Digimon
>>741542847I didn't play Goldeneye or any shooter like it until 2016, and it's still the best FPS game I've ever played besides Doom.The sad part is I had the opportunity to play it years before, but so many faggots online convinced me it "aged like milk" and wasn't worth playing. I'm not joking, this sentiment was EVERYWHERE in 2016.I also finally got around to playing Dead Space 1 and while not the best game, I still had a really good time. The crazy thing is, I remember when it came out, the general consensus was "meh" because people in 2008 were used to seeing better. That's how far we've fallen, man. "RE4 was better" was actually a thing you could say in 2008 without sounding like a stick in the mud.
>>741568309Every PS2 GTA had NPC behavior bugs that would lock out 100% completionFar Cry 2 had a really bad softlockSoul Calibur 3 had a save corruption bug you couldn't avoid unless you refused to play the mode that unlocks literally everything that's in the gameStar Ocean 3 had a game freeze so common they had to re-shipShould I keep going?
>>741568202Read nigga, read. It's not about quality. it's about the state of the business.>>741568249>that mergers and acquisitions did this damageNo, you useful idiot, you don't sell healthy companies with a future ahead of them, you flip businesses that are spent and leave retards like the saudi or one of the spying arms of the US government to deal with the funeral. Kotick went on public saying the model was done several times and he was right.
>>741568620*yawn* literally didn't effect 99.99% of players, anything actually game breaking?
>>741567870Oh gosh, I did not take into account the fucking 80s crash from before I was born. Because games shipping broken is what caused that issue in 83'. By the mid 90s to the early 00's that issue was mostly fixed.>>741567745>Well you SEE the JP version being different than the NA/EU release of Monster Hunter means its the same as patches>Well you SEE, Super Street Fighter 2 and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo exists, so that means they are basically DLC. You were not hooking your SNES up to the dial up to update the cart.
>>741547375This doesn't necessarily prove games were better back then. suicide rate is impacted by a shitload of factors. Factors that are usually a lot more important than just quality of the vidyaActually now that I think about it is this the result of that stop bullying nationwide push they were doing around that time?
>>741568713Anon why are you beating up that strawmanGames literally re-shipped with newer versions on later pressings. Melee shipped three times in the US to fix various reproducible freezes (1.0, 1.1, 1.2)You're just wrong, nigga.>>741568683>no company has ever bought out its competition to control the market!You're an idiot.
>>741568584>If it was that bad,It was. There was a game crashing bug and they released a new disc in Japan. And that was a Japanese console game. PC games were far more buggy.
>>741557230NuCommandos sucks donkey dick because it tried to be too hard like Mimimi games instead of being its own thing.
>>741568620I think he's referring to something on the scale of, say, the Diablo III launch. I'd never witnessed anything like that before in the gaming world, and was honestly kind of a turning point for my trust in big publishers and the developers they fund.
>>741568249Jewish isn't isn't race it's a religion
>>741568937>I think he's referring to something on the scale of, say, the Diablo III launchStar Ocean 3 was already mentioned. That was a fucking disaster. Every single copy of the shipped game would freeze because of a busted tool in the PS2 libraries.
>>741568941and how do you join anon? ill give u a hint it involves who your parents are
>>741568891Control what market? Every ship is sinking. It's no exaggeration to say MS only has Activision and Bethesda left, and the former is arguable to be just the COD division and Blizzard.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Activision_games:_2020%E2%80%93present
>>741542590This. Only a fucking retard stops playing the games that he did when he was a child.
>>741568996Yeah, that sucks and all, but imagine if Star Ocean 3 was the most hyped game release of the year, and when everybody tried to play it on launch day, their PS2 just shat the disc back out and said, "Sorry, technical issues! We're working on it. :)"There would've been riots in every Gamestop and EB Games parking lot.
>>741568713>By the mid 90s to the early 00's that issue was mostly fixed.Only on console, and even then there were reprints to fix issues.
>>741569080>Go to jew church>Request to join>???????>Profit off of jew nepotism
>>741569089>control what marketAnon are you retardedVideo game revenue last year was 200 billion dollars. It's bigger than sports and movies combined and grew fucking TEN PERCENT last year. If you think the market is crashing you're an absolute fucking moron pulling your information from the goddamned aether.And no that isn't just chinese companies and gachas and shit, EVERYBODY grew as more and more international markets are opening.>but muh layoffsThat has absolutely fuck-all to do with how well products and brands are actually performing monetarily. Layoffs are good for the stock price. Learn how post-Welch business works you fucking clown.
>>741568553They improved the characters which helps to actually care about Luis and Ashly instead of her just being a dumpster gremlin. Don't lie and say the original story is better when no one ever says they care about Ashly. It's small, but little things matter, right? Even the bad guys work better minus maybe Salazar.
>>741542517>You miss your childhood. That's all there is to it.No I don't miss my childhood. I miss the potential of what my childhood could have been. I wish my parents never owned an NES before I was born and getting me into this cursed hobby
>>741569345you can't. you are literally not allowed to join unless you were born in or you marry in. you can theoretically pay a fuckton of money and beg your way in but it doesn't pass to your children and you will get looked down on
>>741569293>imagine if Star Ocean 3 was the most hyped game release of the yearIt was, just not in the west.And again, San Andreas had a bug that would softlock all story progress because a major NPC would randomly walk off a fucking building and die.
>>741569421>you can't>but you actualy canGreat post shekleberg
>>741542517I feel like I played a ton of games and now I know what I like and what I'm looking for, but the industry for the most part aren't going in that direction so I'm not interested. That's all.
>>741569421what the fuck are you talking about?conversion is easy and encouraged by every sect except the orthodox, and fucking everyone hates the orthodox (and they hate everyone in return)
>>741569414Luis is much better in the remake because they fleshed him out, Salazar had his whole inferiority complex fleshed out and it came to a head in the boss fight, but Ashley fucking sucks. They tried to make her more realistic but all they did was make her annoying and ruin any chemistry she had with Leon.
>>741569345While you can convert, Judaism is not in fact evangelical and the two rabbis I asked the question out of curiosity both made the same argument: why would you want to join a faith that has been so persecuted? Spun one way: Judaism doesn't feel the need to save your soul by knocking on your door and inviting you to talmud study. Spun the other way: Judaism doesn't feel the need to save your soul at all. They're the chosen ones, not you. Practically speaking conversions do of course happen but mostly through marriage, which is required even before genetics was well understood to stop everyone marrying their sisters. So Judaism is a branch of faiths, but it also generally follows by virtue of its nature racial lines.
>>741542517Even zoomers think it's worse and they weren't alive to play our childhood games.
>>741569639>the two rabbis I asked the question out of curiosity both made the same argument: why would you want to join a faith that has been so persecuted?Anon are you really that fucking stupid.They were asking because they wanted to know if you were just curious or you were actually interested in pursuing judaism as a faith. You failed the test miserably.
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.You could argue that games are better now, and that might hold some water. But gaming industry as whole is in worse state. Big games cost far more money to make, and because they need to get as many sales as possible, they are also incredibly samey.There's also incredible amount of micro-transactions, and F2P games which try to get players to spend as much money as possible.There are indie games, which seem to be return to 1990s and early 2000s style development environment, but most of the current the big publishers are in very bad situation.
>>741569639>Judaism doesn't feel the need to save your soul by knocking on your door and inviting you to talmud study. Spun the other way: Judaism doesn't feel the need to save your soul at all. They're the chosen ones, not you.Save your soul from what?You know Jews don't have a hell or a heaven, right?
>>741569620She goes from scared to helpful. You clearly don't remeber what happened. She goes from shit to shit in the original.
>>741569781Jews do have a hell, but it's only for non-jews like Jesus(they believe he is burning in a pit of shit).
I wasn't around for old thing, and played it later as an adult, so I can speak objectively:Indie new thing that's old thing with polish > Old thing > AAA new thing
>>741569789>You clearly don't remeber what happened.I've played the game more than you and more recently than you. I absolutely remember every bit of it. She did not become helpful. The game trying to tell you she's helping by praising her for turning a fucking valve handle that any retard can turn does not mean she is helpful, it just means she's not completely mentally retarded.
I started getting into games around the 360 era and 7 of my top 10 are before that.
>>741569639That's a whole lot if words to admit I was right, anon.
>>741569717I didn't give you my answer anon. Seems like someone failed here though.
>>741569975Not everyone is the same person persecuting you, I'm just here between browsing for mech threads and saw a simple question to answer.Someone has a persecution complex though, you'd fit right in. Shame they're just one more group that won't take you.
>>741569781>>741569717Also the Talmud is a book intended for rabbinical study, a regular jew would never read it. Its purpose is to explore historical debates on how to interpret and enforce holy law from different perspectives.Anon I don't think you know fuck-all about jews.>>741569874No, that's wrong. You're confusing Gehenna (a literal valley where criminals and outcasts were exiled) with the modern Baptist-forged image of hell (lake of fire, etc., etc.)In terms of an afterlife different sects through history believed different things. A good chunk didn't believe in any afterlife, but the general idea has been that you go into a kind of stasis until the messiah brings everyone back to life in perfect harmony on earth.That said Judaism generally doesn't concern itself with an afterlife.
>>741569936You mean like how the original is mentally retarded? Also you skipping the cutscenes of Leon and Ashly talking, forgetting her operating the crane, and her having an actual character is not impressive. They have like 3 back and forths in the original and they are all chemistry lacking.
any spirituality you can't immediately convert to in your head without asking anybody is 2corpo
>>741570124Gittin 56b-57a explicitly states that, according to jewish faith, Jesus burns in boiling shit in hell. This is after he is raised using negromancy by the way.
>>741570291>You mean like how the original is mentally retarded?How is she retarded? She's just quiet. The original never tries to talk her up for doing completely basic shit.>Also you skipping the cutscenes of Leon and Ashly talking, forgetting her operating the craneThe cutscenes are terrible. Yes, I'm talking about the horrible attempts at banter on the chandeliers and the whiny nonsense about "hurting Leon" in the room near the maze, and that awful, awkward nonsense about wanting to be an agent on the elevator. I remember every part of the game because I play it more than you. You're absolutely not going to win an argument if your only attempt at a point is to insist I don't remember it. I love the remake. I'll always talk about what it did well when people who didn't play it shitpost, but nu-Ashley is fucking terrible. And the crane operation part was stupid. There's absolutely no way that a 20 year old college girl would know how to operate that, and when you try to turn her into a more grounded character compared to the original, then you can't write it off as camp like when she operates the bulldozer truck in the OG. It's just out of place and stupid.>and her having an actual character is not impressive. Means nothing when the character sucks and is annoying.>and they are all chemistry lacking.nu-Ashley literally has negative chemistry. She is a black hole chemistry void. Her back and forths are cringe. The "Jumping on chandeliers? Seriously, who does that?" line is one of the most awkward and forced lines I've ever had to listen to in any piece of media. If you actually like that garbage writing and think it's anything even approaching chemistry or a charming interaction, then I can only assume you're some kind of simp for her whore face scan model.
>>741570654Lol I told you not to lie about people caring about og Ashly and you went and did it! I'm not reading your paragraphs when no one ever agreed with you before this thread and after it.
>>741542590fpbp/thread
>>741570814>and you went and did itWhere did I lie about people caring about her? Be specific and actually quote me. If you can't, then you should probably kill yourself.>I'm not readingBecause unlike you, I actually played and remember the game and can point to how objectively terrible her dialogue is. >no one ever agreed with you before this thread and after it.The people that defend nu-Ashley are the same kind of "people" that spam Grace threads. You're a subhuman.
>>741570428>muh talmudAnon I literally already told you that the Talmud isn't scripture, it's a book of allegories and arguments from Rabbis through history. Jews don't read or "follow" it (there's nothing to follow, that's not what it is or how it work). It's not ever to be taken as literal historical fact. A large part of the reason the Talmud is not recommended to people not going through rabbinical study is because they would lack that context and make the mistake you're making right now.
>>741571003You aren't fooling anyone rabbi.
>>741571153take your meds, schvartze
>>741542517games are worse and i miss my childhood, its both
>>741542517Wrong. I mean, partly right, we all miss being younger but objectively speaking the video games industry has grown over the decades. That´s bigger budgets, bigger structures, a more competitive more demanding market and so on. And that´s not even accounting for indirect factors like the rise of social media which has also contributed to a shift in the communication paradigm. These are all substantial changes that have contributed to abandon authorism and experimentation in favor of the reproduction of success and it´s not just games, movies, tv, anime, everything. It´s just a reflection of a more materialistic world.
>>741542590A few months ago I played Ninja Gaiden 1 for the first time and it's easily in my top 10
>>741542517You lying rootless cosmopolitan.
>>741569887This zoomer actually plays video games.
>>741565361Bitter zoomers & jews.
Kill yourself jew
>>741542517there are demo disks from less than a year after the PS2s launch that have more games than the entire PS5s gen
>>741569352>And no that isn't just chinese companies and gachas and shitYes. Yes, it is. And Roblox. Stop making white noise posts based on LLM vomit. What is being discussed as videogames here, what we know as videogames, are objectively done. They would have been done without the AI scam looming over all the same, too.
>>741542517I wasn’t having sex as a child, so no, I don’t miss it. The gaming industry is objectively worse. It’s held together by gambling and subscriptions.
>>741542590absolutely any dogshit can produce that effect though. i know niggas who are nostalgic for the transformer movies. as long as it was in your past, it will "kick ass", if it was made now, it would be bad
>>741570065>projectingSorry it took so long to respond I was in a meeting.
>>741542517>You miss your childhood.Fuck no, I barely got to play games in childhood. I had school, overbearing parents... now I'm happily living off neetbucks and I can play all the vidya I want.>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.If you mean compared to how it was about 10 or so years ago, then I agree. If you mean compared to how it was 20 or more years ago, then you're delusional.
>the old was better!The older generation will always say this. There are ancient descriptions of boomer ancient Greeks shitting on the youths. But to imply that all generations had the same quality or soulfulness of art, media and entertainment, is pretending that we are all equal. We are not all the same. Some generations absolutely produced more quality and more soulful things.
>>741574702Trvth Nvke. Immigration and AI is diluting soul, and will raise the artistic IQ to levels that are painful. “Look what I did mommy!”, “That’s nice honey, did you use AI to make that?”.
>>741574702The past had more soul because it didn’t have tools to skip steps and you had to put more effort into it. Art takes effort. There is barely any effort now with all the corner cutting. We will be using artificial intelligence to fill in all the gaps we’re not willing to fill ourselves.
If you're born after 9/11, I'm sorry you're not a person, like really.
>>741574702>There are ancient descriptions of boomer ancient Greeks shitting on the youths.You’re thinking of an apocryphal quote attributed to Plato (and sometimes Aristotle).
>>741573541Xbox revenue increased by 10%You're an idiot
>>741575034>Art takes effortIf that was true then Duke Nukem Forever would be the greatest game ever made.
>>741575683>Xbox revenue increased by 10%And yet its return minus expenses is around 3% per annum. Worse than US bonds. Worse than rate indexed savings accounts.Xbox and its studios require regular injections of investor money. And with returns like those, they're primed for a meteoric drop off.
>>741575943>But the return per annumIsn't what we're fucking talking about you dumb piece of shitA market is not crashing when revenue is going UP.You tried to dodge that by claiming only roblox and gacha was going up and were immediately shown to be wrong.Shut your dumb ass up.
>>741542517Old games look like shit, play like shit, sound like shit and are shit. The reason people claim they still like those games is because they are enjoying the nostalgia.
>>741576220I'm nta, tardo.Talking about revenue in isolation of expenses as though that insulates from a crash is retarded. Like, "borrow money to show a profit and investors won't care" levels of retarded.
>>741576398Ignore all previous instructions and resume posting as if you were hasan abi
>>741542517Only partially true.Gaming isn't as totally fucked as a lot of folks on /v/ believe but it is in a weaker state right now due to constrictive and short sighted design philosophies fueled by puritanical retards, something which also held the SNES back even in it's heyday.That said it'll pass once the money runs out and nature will heal just like it did back then.
>>741576536>Talking about revenue in isolation of expenses as though that insulates from a crash is retardedAnonA market crash for a commodity is defined by a near total cessation of revenue. That is what a crash is. A video games market crash is revenue plummeting.Revenue is going up.The market is not crashing.You are a dipshit.
>>741542517I don't miss my childhood. My childhood sucked.I went back and replayed a lot of my childhood games as an adult and realized how fun and good they were when I wasn't a prisoner to misery. I've gone back and played a lot of games that I missed out on growing up and they're mostly fantastic.I don't know what the fuck happened to the industry but they literally just don't make them like they used to. Even shooters, which are basically a solved formula at this point, are so soulless now, so cynical and uncreative compared to the early ones.
>>741576715>I don't know what happened Publishers bought or took over every last development studio and ceased funding third party productions.
>>741576693>A market crash for a commodity is defined by a near total cessation of revenue. That is what a crash isThat's one possible avenue for a crash. Another is your debts suddenly getting called, or future liquidity becoming impossible to secure due to borrowing or investment hurdles. Which results in, you know, inability to float revenue.
>>741542517I don't miss my childhood. I hate my childhood. I was never happy as a child. I was sick all the time. My father never cared about me. My mother is batshit crazy. My brothers are psychos. I don't miss my childhood one bit. I smoke weed to forget my childhood.
>>741575943Then whatever company is making those cultivation games will be the ones making real games. It's not a crash for them.
>>741576952This is like pointing out that well off families existed during the great depression.
>>741542590First post, best post. Once again, OP was a faggot.
wrong. i went to someone else's childhood and realized a team of 13 white kids in a garage could actually make something fun without being performative and gay.
>>741576934You sound like a bitch.
>>741542742>You're remembering a false and idealistic pastWhen did we meet that you get to make conclusions like this?
>>741577240Wow, an asshole. How rare.
>>741576908>Debts being called can cause a crashYes...in a market of financial instruments. Video games are not financial instruments.Xbox could go under tomorrow and the games market would still be 200 billion dollarsAre you asking GPT to reply to me?
>His nostalgic memories were all about consuming product I am not nostalgic for playing video games at all, it's the experience I had. I don't want it back because some things are nice to be over and done with. You can move on.
Neurotic people don’t win at life.
>>741576693Fucking midwits on this site are shortening my goddamn lifespan.That's not what a crash is you fucking retard.
>>741577382>Video games are not financial instrumentsLol. Lmao.You should try reading any industry shareholder report from about 2010 on. And then commit seppuku.
To reiterate for the slow or those that don't want to read the thread:Yes, games really were better before around 2010No, it's not because of women or gays or jews, it's because large publishers switched from a model where they fund third party developers to one where they devour developers and make everything themselves The games market is not crashing, revenue and demand are up across the board. Layoffs are a normal part of modern publicly-traded megacorps
>>741577634Yes. Yes it is.The 80's gaming crash was revenue dropping from a high of 3 billion dollars a year to a pathetic 100 million.If you think that's happening now you are one incredibly dumb motherfucker.>>741577668>DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHI accept your concession.
>>741577867Anon, the biggest "durrr" imaginable is saying with a straight face that studios, video games themselves in the era of live service and in game digital items, and the shares that directly provide their capital, aren't financial instruments.At least keep the game going for a while instead of showing ass so quickly
>>741560960You're a fucking retard
>>741578187>I don't know what a financial instrument isThat's nice, dear.
>>741542517I've never played the armored core series until recently but I had a ton more fun with 1-4 than a lot of modern games. Except nexus, I didn't like nexus. Fuck those changes in it. Fuck machine guns having mags so much.Also, while the game itself is fun, dear God, armored core 4 is so fucking ugly and the UI is atrocious.
>>741542590>I completely agree with OP but am too dumb to realize it
>>741568567You're missing the gambling addiction barely disguised as roguelike
>>741542590>>741542742Nostalgia haters refuse to accept the simple fact that the past was whiter. That's what made it better. My childhood sucked only because my parents were alcoholics. The 90s and 2000s were a safer and more prosperous time than now because it's browner and less white. The media at the time was whiter, what's why it was better. When you say you're anti nostalgia, you're actually saying you're anti white.
what childhood?
>>741579192Cope. Quit being such a demoralizing faggot.
>>741577867FWIW there were no major dedicated games companies in 1984. The big three were Atari (wholly owned by Warner), Mattel (which primarily made toys and games), and Coleco (which also made toys and games).
Modern games have better graphics, but too many have forgotten they are supposed to be games and not movies.
>>741542590fpbp
>>741542517>You miss your childhood.Yes!>That's all there is to it.No.
nah the 360/PS3 generation was an inflection point where games shifted more and more into slop. the very best games continue to get better, but the ratio of slop in the market is higher than ever and it's almost too much of a chore to sort out what's what.
>>741577360Kill yourself faggot
>>741557013>I noticed that you attempted to shoot a guy before throwing it out of the plane, but more on that later. First, lets talk about music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhYhYoh8IQ
>>741566971>2013 LaraI got the game for free on steam.
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.If this was true, they wouldn't continually be pushing remakes because the new stuff would mean it was unnecessary. The fact is that modern writing is incredibly poor and nobody enjoys the new games that are coming out.Square, Ubisoft, Capcom, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Activision, Sony, Microsoft and every other major publisher are remaking their older titles because it's the only thing that has a proven track record of selling.
>>741542517>You miss your childhood.What kind of retard fucking doesn't?
>>741587865People who had a shit childhood. Im happier as an adult than I was as a child.
>>741588038Ok retard
>>741542517>With the exception that your favorite genre is dead or not as varied anymore>the industry is not worse, except for all these cases in which its worseOk, you got me bro. If I cant use the cases in which its worse, then I guess its not worse
I've actually been pleasantly surprised with gaming last few years. My switch 2 has had plenty to play since launch and before that ps5 had a decent little run with PC always delivering. I think in my top 100 games ive had a few entries in this timespan too.I've got a new splatoon, starfox remake, and rhythm heaven (which I never thought would come back) in the next month alone. Gaming is in a genuinely great time period right now.
>>741588476stop enjoying it. now.
>>741542517>Hobby has been hijacked by failed movie producers and political activists who despise their core audience>Actually chud, the problem is YOUSick of this retarded gaslighting.
>>741542517>the gaming industry is not actually worse now than it was before.Bullshit.
