Rudy
>>742457858you just gotta laugh
>>742457858>"There isn't a bigger slut than your mom Kris"He didn't have to go that far.
>>742457858WHICH WAY, DELTARUNE FANS?
Tranny game kill yourselves
>>742458638I walk off the fucking road with it being the ICE PEZZA man
>>742458709Chad gamelove yourself
>>742457858The knight is the cowboy puppet from the cancelled cowboy TV show.
>noelle drags you into the lake and rapes you to deathholy FUCK
>>742457858Chapter 6 is our chapter
>>742458638The absolute cope of thinking there is any hype to dess being the knight.
>>742458638I don't care anymore. Knight is the Knight. That's it.
>>742457858his coughing sounds fake to mebut it's a little messed up that he and carol would fake his illness, considering noelle seems distraught over it
>>742457858I'm sorry, but you Rudyknighters are coping harder than ever after this last chapter.
>>742458638Dess is negative hype because everyone already thinks it's her, and there's a ton of evidence for Rudy knight.
Now that it's been a week and the dust has settled, how do you all feel about Chapter 5? Has your opinion shifted at all?Personally, I still consider it the weakest part of the game, but it's definitely grown on me. The WR in particular really steals the show. Suselle still fucking sucks though.
>>742459486You sure about that?
>>742459480nah if he's the knight imo his illness is BECAUSE of whatever fucked up shit he's doing to become the knight. Monsters don't get sick easily in Undertale so even though yea it's not quite the same thing it's something to at least think about...
>>742458709I think being queer is epic and being a chud is cringe.
>>742459621why isn't carol helping?
>>742458709Chud gameBillions must play
>>742458638>Dess gooner cope chart
>>742459687What if there is more than one Knight? Carol and Rudy change places from time to time
>>742457858Rudy literally died anon
>>742459146Looking back, Flowery was really supposed to mirror the Knight, wasn't he?
>>742459772???
>>742459609I had convinced myself Toby was fucking around when he said ‘haha lol just gonna be a fun little wacky chapter’ that was foolish
>>742459772>Chapter 6 starts with Rudy's funeral
>>742459827He "fell down." We don't know the extent of it.
>>742459790Flowery is Rudy, Toriel, Flowey, and The Knight.
>>742459772>Carol known to never lie called Noelle to get away from the flower dark worldmore like
>>742459853>He "fell down."What do you mean FELL DOWN? Amalgamate style?
>>742459893and yet she didn't mind with the computer one because...?
>>742459853anon it's a bithe was on a laddercheck out the shit he was saying in the weird route fucker's up to something
>>742459790>floats>leaves afterimages>does poses>is a fraudChecks out. Guess chess theory might be legit after all.
I love this little goober like you wouldn't belive No homo.
>>742459772
>>742459790The actual knight mirror in chapter 5 is yellow
>>742459943It's all part of the plan... or something.
How did Rudy and Carol fuck up so hard with Noelle?
>>742459910We don't know yet.
>>742459957Rudy on WR was like 10 minutes away from falling into a coma anon.
>>742459827>>742459910Nothing is more depressing than knowing many deltarune players never played undertale because they were too young
>friend sneakers o'toole shitpost of one of the chapter 5 tracks >cannot unhear the sneakers o'toole version when it pops upGET OUTTA MY HEAD
>>742459283>Sound>No filenameIs there something weird on my end?
>>742460051He was just sitting there, not even coughing nor looking as tired as usual.
>>742460053We don't know how much of UT's lore applies to DR. For example, monsters don't bleed in UT but Susie does in DR.
>>742457858for me it's rudy then noelle/kris with dess as a very distant 3rd
>K.Rool disappeared off the face of the earth for 20 years because he was searching for a mythical magical root that would grant his wish for power>Said root was locked within the deepest depths of the earth>He is imprisoned by the very said root because it realized he was gonna fuck everything up>His return and involvement is hinted subtly through DKC 3 and Bananza as he works from the background or is a major player in the story later in the game>Was/is a brilliant scientist>Has gone completely mad, a literal schizo boss if you would>Was replaced by a cheap copy that would never be good enough to replace him>His most famous theme is named after his VESSELSchizo bros, reverse K.Rool believers, I finally understand, my mind is EXPANDING.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46xGczt4XQ&list=RDI46xGczt4XQ&start_radio=1
>>742459772>>742459853The Japanese translation makes it clear they didn't mean the dying kind of Fallen Down. He just fell of the ladder. They use different verbs for the two.
>>742460096Yeah he was sitting on the ground deep breathing, because he was getting too weak to get up. have you never had a dying family member before?
>>742460051that negro is alive and well you can't fool me Tony Farce
I wondered why the knight was so clumsy and didn't want the heroes to be able to immediately chase after them. Also it seemed like everything was planned to set this up by someone who is pulling the strings. Probably a coincidence, though.
>>742459967I also love him so so much. Yes homo.
>>742459827There are anons who somehow think the phonecall about Rudy collapsing was saying he died. That's the level of intelligence Rudyknight faces.
>>742460193Anon the knight ran into a wall
>>742460164he was just takin a break
>>742460073Same thing happened to me.
How mad are going to be when Kris kills himself over Susie and Noelle and the fandom doesn't even acknowledge it because they are to bust clapping and squealing over suselle.
One question. If Rudy is the Knight. Why did he summon THE TITAN? It could easily kill them without Gerson's help
>>742459609Weird route's great.I've been freed of the terrifying sidelong guilt for the stupid fucking reindeer suffering in the weird route and now can enjoy life again.Noelle yearning for freedom to the point she'd just use Kris like a tool is refreshingly horrible. She was not the innocent fucktard I thought she was at all and now no longer haunts my waking nightmares.Normal route sucks, yea. I would like to play it again even so 'cuz it was fun. At least, when I didn't have to deal with Susie being a wet blanket.
>>742460237Do you know what clumsy means? Maybe dess was just having an off day.
>>7424602600% mad because the fan base is overwhelmingly pro Kris and was sad to see him get quasi cucked
>>742460053Even if the term isn’t being used in the same way, which would be clinically retarded, pretty sure whatever happened to Rudy he’s not going to be doing jack shit
>>742460260Honestly, people are bitching that only a small part of the fanbase gaf about suselle, even after ch. 5.but id just laugh
>>742460134>>742460207>noelle it's an emergency, your dad with deer aids fell down a ladderHe's already deathly ill, what's the big deal? Is falling off a ladder gonna give him double aids?
>>742460276trainingwhy do you think Gerson was even there? part of the plan. they gave the guy a shadow crystal for Gaster's sake
>>742460276Desperation. If they sealed that fountain, it would have been over for him.
>>742460276Did the Titan easily kill them Mansly?
>>742460276idk why does Kris do anything, it's still unknown
>>742459609The chapter was made for me so I love it.
>>742460339It's not like falling off a ladder could improve his health or something
Kris keeps getting taken advantage of by girls that are stronger than him...
>>742458638>>742459353it's dess because the entire thing is just twin peaks where YOU are BOB
>>742459978>Knights are horse riders and in chess they are represented by the horse piece>Cowboys are obviously tied to horses>Freedom in it's truest forms is often compared to death or outright stated to be death
>>742458709I just accepted that in the future every game will have an obligatory trans awakening scene and gay couple, and if it makes you uncomfortable you can play tf2 for another thousand hoursI counted 7 scenes of gay/tranny shit so far, but when I say something like "this is forced" or "this is weird" I get called a nazia bit surreal how something like 'gay rights' has gotten out of hand
>>742460276That question could be posed to any Knight identity. The answer is, as Susie pointed out, that they didn't need to defeat the Knight, just get past him.
>>742460207The knight, the 10ft tall flyinga11 skeletal dude who effortlessly kidnapped the two strongest monsters in UT, isn't the dude dying in a hospital who can barely string up xmas lights
There is already a conspiracy between Carol, Kris, and the knight I think it's pretty reasonable to assume she made that call to set up the dark world and Rudy is not gravely ill.
>>742459494You wouldn’t want >Raise up your bat/lost girl remix for the final bossThat’s not hype?
He was a SERIAL KILLER! Who bragged about killing people and he professed and confessed to be a GONER!
>>742460276The Knight probably believes in the prophesy. That is to say nothing the Knight can do including waking up a Titan can change fate
>>742459687same reason she’s not helping her daughter being mindraped by the 4 dimensional being she forced her suicidal autistic family friend to be possessed by
>>742459609Still feel about the same more or less. I liked the latter half of the actual dark world, love the weird route stuff because of how feverish and surreal it's becoming. Light world stuff sucked ass.I miss the Susie that was just a dumbass doing stupid shit with her dumbass friends. Intentional shift or not I will never stop being bothered by it.
>>742460467
>>742460453Why yes anon, it is kino.
>>742459790That's because both the Knight and him mirror GOHD Asriel in attitude (not saying Asriel is the Knight btw)
>>742459790Yes because Rudy is the knightAlso he says living things without consciousness get a soul so that explains the knights chest eye, its Rudy’s tumor
>>742460465Dess is a character who has zero screen time. The only people who would be hyped about that are the same retards who would be hyped about something like Suselle- oh no...
>>742457858>knight doesn't talk>their screams are distorted>their body is oddly shaped to say the leastThe knight is clearly an amalgamate
>>742458709Gender critical game.
>>742460416>part of being a /knower/ is knowing the game's age rating>this means the lewdest you know you can ever go is kissing/handholding>happens to kris relentlesslyWhat a slut.
guys please stop asking how the knight beat up UndyneTHEY KICKED THEIR ASS OFF SCREEN IN THE DARK WORLD THEY HAD A GIGANTIC HEAD STARTif you walk to the bathroom it can be assumed you shut the door on the way injesus fucking christ guys seriously shut the fuck up about this
>>742457858Krisellebros??? You sure don't want to join Krusiegang?
>>742460443>when I say something like "this is forced" or "this is weird" I get called a naziThere's more people like us then you think. More every day. Overt faggotty won't be trendy forever. Have faith brother.
I wanna take this bitch on a margaritaville cruise and make sweet love to her in our cabin with no windows then go to a restaurant included in our dining package
>>742460564>The same ralsei: "I decided to become a princess because everyone wants me to.">The same ralsei: "OH C'MON IS THIS ABOUT THE HAT AGAIN?!">The saem ralseay to a flower: "YOU'RE JUST PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT!"this stupid goat man
>>742460453>effortlessly kidnapped the two strongest monsters in UTUndyne clearly is still overpowered but there is no guarentee Asgore is. I mean look at the way he eats, hes probably let himself go since being fired
>>742460481Average Suselle fag.
>>742460641Why are you going out of your way to find the worst cases of retardation in the fanbase and reposting them here?
>>742460641KILL IT WITH FIREDONT LET IT LAY EGGS
>>742460560Dess being literally the knight wouldn’t really make sense but as some sort of shadow crystal manifestation of the two families pain and suffering coming to drown the town, it makes a lot of sense
KEKcember Holiday won't even appear in the game. What happened to her will be left ambiguous too btw
>>742460641we wuz deers and shit
>>742460641That's not Noelle
>>742460641black noelle with gyaru hair.... . .....
>>742459405Chapter 5 revealing that the knight was opening fountains long before chapter 1 started pretty much confirms that all the "knight candidates" were bullshit. The knight is its own thing. It was treated like this in chapter 1 but people hallucinated insinuations from chapter 2 onwards that the knight's identity was a mystery. Hell, even a few people deluded themselves into thinking the knight was a pre established character back in the chapter 1 days but they rightfully weren't taken seriously.
>>742460557oh like how butchers braincancer gets its own powers in the boys drama
>>742459609I believe the cope theories so it was pretty good. That being said it does still have a lot of problems.
>>742460704Rudy is nigga coded
>>742460685My reading of the princess scene is that boys can be princesses, but that doesn't make them girls. Also being a princess isn't what Ralsei wants.
>>742460773>still with his family>hasn't been arrested>only has two kidshe is anti nigga coded.
>>742459967I mostly don’t homoBut give me one of the Toby Fox goat twinks and so help me I’d suck that dick in heartbeat
>>742460754That is not confirmed whatsoever. What is confirmed is that there was a Dark World open on "that day", and that a black shard was found at the scene. That does not mean all that stuff you said, if it does then there's no point talking about the Knight anyway.
>>742460754>Chapter 5 revealing that the knight was opening fountains long before chapter 1 started pretty much confirms that all the "knight candidates" were bullshit"Knight is Noelle from the Weird Route timeline" holds true.
>>742460754hell maybe the knight is the roots instead of ralsei
With the knowledge that deltarune was never supposed to be serialized, it's obvious that the knight is dess.>but that's too obviousOnly because people have had 8 years to speculate over who it is. If played as originally intended, only some people would pick up on the hints.>b-but the amalgamateWeird route is something you're only supposed to discover after beating the game, the reveal wouldn't make sense to someone who is playing the game as intended because they wouldn't even know what happens in the weird route.
I'm 100% sure that Kris is deliberately trying to keep Noelle away from the darkworld stuff. He's trying to switch the roles so that Susie completely replaces Noelle, because he knows that whoever holds that role dies at the end of the prophecy. Yes, he sacrifices Susie, but for Kris, no one else matters. Noelle is the only one who matters.https://youtu.be/K-4mjcUrCPE [Open]
>>742460754The knight might not be the original culprit.
>>742460690>10'20'' former police officerUndyne would get HEEM'd, much less anyone else in hometown
>>742460524>I miss the Susie that was just a dumbass doing stupid shit with her dumbass friends. Intentional shift or not I will never stop being bothered by it.Same. IDK why but Susie feels like a different character this chapter except in the WR. She went from being one of my favorite characters to one of my least. Judging by all the seething I've seen over the last week I know it's not just me who feels this way. I really hope we get the old Susie back soon.
HEIL GASTER
>>742460861>get a gf>ignore your friend and make everything about your gfmany such cases...
>>742460564Based Ralsei.
>>742459967He was a lot cuter when he was a little pushover
>>742460481Kill yourself, stop spamming this.
>>742460851>Susie is the girl,>Love comes to the girl>Noelle assumes the role of the Angel as well.Weird route>Love comes to the girl (Us)>Noelle assumes the role of the angel anyway.
>>742460641Why do these weird ebony fetish retards constantly draw human Noelle as a nigger, she's the most white girl ass character in the entire game. Like the level of white girl where she probably owns five 'live laugh love' signs. The only way she could get any more white is if her fur was light colored.
>>742459967I just want him to finally go full Flowey and start trash talking everyone
>>742459609It's very weird to me that Chapter 5 is objectively the best the game has ever looked graphics-wise and has the most fleshed out gameplay gimmick that doesn't overstay its welcome, but at the same time it's the worst chapter story-wise with the sloppiest writing.It's sloppy not only in plot choices but weird overlooked details, like the mentions of Jevil and other bosses even if you never fought them before, Toby isn't one to slip up like this
>Suselle obviously framed as something bad and a ticking bomb>Game gives numerous options for Krusie, Kriselle and Kralsei events and secret interactions>Even after suselle gets confirmedIs Toby really pulling out 3 shipping endings to fuck over his tumblr audience and appeal to Japanese weebs self inserting into Kris wanting to date furry girls and twinks????
>>742460754dess opened it, the town is a fantasy to begin with as no-one enters or leaves. she had a revelation ala noelle after doing occult shit with kris and made a fountain, disappeared and it was covered up and got asgore sacked
>>742457858I'M THE KNIGHT!
>>742460646there is a literal niggerfaggot ballerina and the only person making fun of it was me, samefaggingCan you imagine this situation, ten, even 5 years ago? We already lost. The only winning play left is to not breed.
>>742458638the amount of complaints about dessknight varying throughout the day keeps making me laugh
>>742460564how can your body say no?
>>742460685Pretty sure the "princess" thing was just a pet name Flowery used to piss him off. There's no actual evidend that he wants to chop off his cock. Anyone calling Ral a genuine tranny needs to be 41%ed.
>>742460946>Noelle with white fur
>>742460851I would like this to be true solely because it would entail the story fore sure treating Kris like the asshole they are.
>>742460773Rudy looks like a deer monster version of Mr.House.
>>742458638the rope
What's that eye inside his chest during scream animation?
>Kill yourself, stop spamming this.
>>742460773He's a responsible father, he can't be too black.
>>742461052You think House looks like an Italian?
>>742460851That's about to change. Kris fucked up trying to get a random replacement and using a person he click the most.
>>742460690he's OBESE in deltarunehow many fatsos can fight back?
>>742460649Same but with her whole familyYes even the dad
Ralsei... Is a girl?!?
>>742461027It's just tumblrbait, Toby knows his audience. Same reason Kris is just referred to as "they" and looks pretty androgynous, you get brownie points and referred to as an LGBT gaming pioneer by changing some pronouns to they
Didn't Toby say at some point he made Deltarune for Dads?
>>742461026By being it presents undeniable truths.
Reminder that Mad Dummy referenced Muffet selling her Fuscha coloring, so we might see her still along with asriel
>>742460982>It's very weird to me that Chapter 5 is objectively the best the game has ever looked graphics-wise and has the most fleshed out gameplay gimmick that doesn't overstay its welcome, but at the same time it's the worst chapter story-wise with the sloppiest writing.I think they're both for the same reason: all the new people Toby hired. I don't think he's personally micromanaging every detail of the game the way he used to.
>>742461095It's the theme hole, where the Knight stores the the thematic relevance and narrative weight of its true identity
>>742460929I believe Kris has a plan. He didn't go through all this madness for no reason.
>>742461172nice
>>742460946Wokies are retards>He is yellow? Then perhaps he can be le hekkin BLACK?>Ok then can he also be a male?>NOOOOO you are erasing they/them!!
>>742461172It thirsts for yummy lake water
>>742459621He's putting on a tough face so you kids don't worry. He's been doing this all game, especially in Chapter 4.
So wtf did Noelle do to Kris
>>742460754>Chapter 5 revealing that the knight was opening fountains long before chapter 1Source: crack pipeThe only thing that was said that there was a dark world at the site of The Incident(tm) and a black shard was found there afterwards, which doesn't confirm anything.
>>742461167pallete SLOP
>>742458638All leftCarol is cool and I want to see more of her, I hope she's the boss of Chapter 6
>>742460276A new possibility is that perhaps the Knight wanted to force Ralsei's hand to make him use his overpowered magic, which would have some sort of negative consequence for the gang
>>742460564This is actually echoed by Pink herself who says something to effect of "isn't a person the same thing as their body?" in the shop post-fight.I don't think it's necessarily critical, but it's certainly not orthodox trans shit
>>742461203>Mew Mew's dickNoncanon.
>>742460851Stop censoring the OG loli, Frisk.
>>742457858https://files.catbox.moe/4i610g.mp4
>>742461167>I hope they like it!Actually I don't. Please go back to the old one.
>>742458638Kris + Noelle are the Knight because that is the actual correct answer that fits the evidence. The only evidence for Dess/Carol is that they have horns and we don't know everything about them. There's more evidence for Rudy than those two.
I feel like people don't talk about Kris enough this chapter. In particular the way Flowery treats him. Things like>"You know how I feel about you"or>"I know that you've CHANGED"This stands out to me because it really reminds me of Tenna and the way Kris fucking hated him. I know a lot of people just assumed it was because he brought back painful memories for Kris, but I feel like this is hinting at something else. My guess is that it has something to do with Asriel leaving, kind of like how Dess disappearing made noelle go a little crazy. That's just a shot in the dark though.
>>742461017Fuck off, I was making Floyd joke about him day 1. He's the least favorite character of the new chapter by far and I haven't seen a single nice thing said about him in any of these threads. Stop dooming so hard.
>>742460564But Pink's body wants her to kiss underage teenagers
>>742461041>Kris like the asshole they are.He's trying to save his childhood friend, with whom he's spent many years and whom he most likely loves. Wouldn't you do the same for someone you love?>>742461114>That's about to changeIf I were in Kris's shoes, I'd choose Noelle. He's known her his whole life, and he's going through all this shit for her sake. Susie is great, of course, considering how little time Kris has known her. But if I have no choice at all, I'll choose the person I know and love the most.
>>742461353>Those open eyesPerfect.
Friendship Chads won so fucking hard in this chapter
>>742461358But where'd Kris's hand go?
>>742460946There's nothing wrong with making characters niggers as long as they look cute teebeeach
>>742461203Nah, I think it's over for the spider. She ain't showing up anymore.
>>742460987Fuck no, Tobert just can't write yuri for shit.It will be played 100% straight and the "negative portrayal" is just shit writing at work.
>>742461353exactly how it happened
I'm not taking my sneakers off https://files.catbox.moe/etf1op.mp4
>>742461172Hey Noelle, do you know Kris PROCEED with every girl in Dark World?
>>742461389And Maddie was already deep inside an underage teenager. It'd be hypocritical not to also kiss Kris.
It is genuinely impressive how Toby made Suselle has unlikable as possible as a ship, from Susie being and asshole to Berdly wanting to hang with Kris, to making Catti cry, to constantly obsessing over Noelle without ever actually explaining WHY she likes Noelle. Even the big Suselle scene was undercut with Kris being miserable on the bench explicitly over it. If this shit wasn’t intentional and Toby DID want people to love his precious yuri then holy fuck is he a retard
>>742461285Respect their identity chud.
>>742461404Trying to save your friend doesn't justify roping an unsuspecting, innocent stranger into being a sacrificial pawn
>>742460276I don't know why people think Gerson bailing the Heroes out was necessary, we absolutely could have beat it on our ownAll we had to do was break the shield which you do several times in the fight, and then just throw Kris in the hole. All Gerson does is give Susie the confidence to try it.
>>742461429Dess ripped it off as a joke
>>742461462That's okay, the sneakers are the only thing I want you leaving on.
>>742461336Considering the message of her own fight and all the Kris/You dichotomy I don't think you're supposed to take what she's saying there straightforwardly like that, especially not as a trans thing. You are manifestly not the same ass your body, your body is Kris. Maddie isn't the same as her body either, she's a ghost possessing a doll that has its own will and desires. If anything the only way you can take that line is the two of them still trying to come to terms with it being untrue because they're two people.
>>742461358Something happened in the very first timeline. Deltarune is a time loop for Kris.
>>742460862https://vocaroo.com/1kNEwZN6OEFgALL MY NIGGAS GONERS
>>742461353>this is what rudy knight people actually believe
>>742461309Omori shit, Noelle was the Basil but also the one responsible for Dess death. Kris played along
>>742461529mewbs
>>742460987Nips don't self-insert as Kris bro
>>742461446>kris is actually male because if krusie and Kriselle WERE yuri they’d be abject dogshitKek
>>742461358i think it's generally just down to kris hiding 10 different secrets and having (You) in him more than anything, especially with flowery who even in his limited experience of kris would have seen the difference between pre and post-SOUL kris
>>742460894>Susie becomes a carpet muncher>Immediately becomes selfish and cruelWhat did Toby mean by this?
>>742461503I like to think it's intentional to push the player into choosing the options that they want to choose instead of just the ones we're "expected" to choose
>>742461551NIGGA HEIL GASTER
>>742459609I liked it at first and I still like it. It wasn't perfect but it was fun to play and that's what matters the most in the end.
>>742461543>in this timeline Susie actually kills Kris in the light world
>>742461509But what else can you do if there's no other way? I would do the same thing Kris did.
>>742461543>Milklooker takes the place of NormalNPC
>>742461504>he/she
>>742460754>The Knight opened a Fountain at the exact same time and place that Dess disappearedgosh golly gee what could this mystery POSSIBLY be suggesting
>>742461509But what if you had no choice? What if someone was meant to die no matter what?
>>742461425weak bait
>>742459967I had a dream where he and Azzy spitroasted me a few weeks after Chapter 2 came out, I have been unable to deny my love for faggoats since then.
>>742461462Its a good thing shes not named panties-o-toole
>>742458638still betting on solo noelle knightthis kriselle knight shit is just people coping about it
>>742461114I hate this Stein Gate rip off. >I must save my childhood friend from FATE>OOOMPH this new tomboy girl kinda HOTToby please, read Tolkien or Homer
>>742461573mewbies
>>742460980Rally is too kind and pure to ever do that unless you're a flower.
>>742461613>chapter 6>susie and noelle start constantly abusing each other
>>742461425Anon this chapter literally hard-confIrms Kris has a (currently one-sided) crush on Susie.It's probably not going to be canon but it's there
>>742461672Problem?
>the evidence for DessKnight is overwhelming!You mean literally just pic related. That's it. That's all the "evidence" Dess theory has.
>>742461353>rudy had to wait until everyone worried about him left to give him some peace before he could actIt's almost as if there's an explanation for why it took a long time for the knight to arrive.
>>742460754Isn't it implied that Rudy got injured 'on that fateful' day as well? Proof at least that he was closely involved.
I wanna fight Spamton again. But this version.
>>742461538It's important to highlight what this means for the trans reading too. If you believe Maddie is male, then he starts off believing once he has a female body he will be female, and becomes disillusioned by that during the fight, realizing he needs to accept and love himself, if he only loves his body he'll continue hurting himself.I don't think that Maddies is male, but the hypothetical shows there is no room for a reading that supports progressive gender theory.
>>742460987>Is Toby really pulling out 3 shipping endings to fuck over his tumblr audience and appeal to Japanese weebs self inserting into Kris wanting to date furry girls and twinks????Anything is better than Suselle so I'd take it.
>>742461425They literally got half Krusie canon. Kris will have to either redirect his crush onto Ralsei or he will die a cuck.
>>742457858Literally none of you niggers are right about the knight, you're all too caught up on following crumbs for pre-established supporting characters while ignoring the literal basic shit about the knight and the little quirks.You have all noticed that kris copies the knight's cool poses, but you don't think as to WHY, like where that behavior came from and the significance of the finger guns.Kris does the finger gun shit because he was a huge fan of the cowboy show asgore watched, and was copying. Kris' cool hero poses are COPIED FROM THE COWBOY SHOW.NOW WHY THE FUCK IS THE KNIGHT ALSO COPYING THE COWBOY SHOW, HUH? THERE'S ONLY TWO POSSIBLE ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION.
>>742461631>>742461676This is actually the situation Flowery was presented with and he made the right choice, which is to fight as hard as you can without becoming evil. If I was Kris in a world where the prophecy foresaw the death of my friend, I would try to break it until I died, but I wouldn't murder someone to do it.
>>742461589Toby doesn't write straight relationships that well, either. Kriselle and Krusie are "good" because we can headcanon half of it.
>>742459609still kinda whatever as a whole despite me liking a lot of little character moments at the festival and the weird/ aborted route however as a femkrisfag it was better than anything i could've imagined, we won so hard i still can't believe it
>>742461729>straight up giving Orange chinky eyeskek
>>742461713man i wish suzuha had that much of an effect on okabe
>>742461425They really didn't. I don't give a shit about shipping stuff and I feel like Susie suddenly became a really shitty friend, and it feels like it came out of nowhere too. She went from someone that would quite literally take a bullet for Kris in chapter 4 to someone that fucks Kris over and forces him to watch her be happy without him. Bitch didn't even get my boy some ice cream.
>>742460851>for Kris, no one else matters. Noelle is the only one who matters.Holy based Kris
>>742461543Is there any fics that play with the idea of Noelle, or another classmate being 'A MONSTER' in the prophecy?
>>742460536>for you
>>742460987>Suselle obviously framed as something bad and a ticking bomb
P?..
>>742461017>the only person making fun of it was me, samefagging>he hasn't seen the George Floyd Theory
>>742461730This. The Knight could be anyone with antlers and a baseball bat and a guitar who's mysteriously just out of reach.
>>742461794>This is actually the situation Flowery was presented with and he made the right choice, which is to fight as hard as you can without becoming evilHoly shit, is that it? Is the puzzle coming together?
why didnt she retain her love for being stabbed
>>742461729>>742461805>HARRO YOU WAN PRAY KRIS?
Post YFW Vs. Susie (Reprise) starts playing
>>742461798What about these two?
>>742461589Unironically the best evidence for Kris not being the girl
>>742461835Kris holding the shadow crystal in chapter 5s dark world solidifies it.Poor kid can't catch a break.
>>742458638Rudy unironically makes the most sense now. Carol is a red herring, but is probably still working with him. Half of the other character here have 0 set up and would feel completely out of left field.
>>742461743>>rudy had to wait until everyone worried about him left to give him some peace before he could actHence why Ralsei said he couldn't feel the Knight's intent in the beginning of the chapter
I can't beat Mew Mew
>>742461920still searching for a special one to be stabbed and beaten by
>>742461920ai slop
>Ramb is not fought as a secret twisted sword boss because he was abducted by a goner (and we know they can cross dark/light worlds) >But as something being used to power the meat factory
is anyone else here older than toby himself
>>742461425A real friend wouldn't have cucked him twice.
>>742461760The fight really doesn't have a 'accept and love your body' message, Maddie keeps using the doll and its appearance as her identity. She's not going back to a Napstalbook looking ghost, so there's no 'love your original body' kind of message going on. I actually think it's just outright a mistake to consider it a trans thing, at least in Deltarune, because it's trying to highlight and parallel a possessing entity who 'needs' a body when that body has its own will, and how they have to come to terms and get along. Got nothing to do with body positivity in a trans or anti-trans way. If it was about accepting your biology as your identity you'd kick Maddie out and force her back into being a ghost and tell her "You will never be a catgirl" when it's not what happens at all.
What's the current consensus on the Pink-Kris parallel?Is Kris the ghost or the body?Are we the ghost or the body?
>>742461504>>742461729This is gay erasure, why these tranny artists refuse to depict Blue just like he's in game?
>>742461904God that moment was so good
>>742461949>Kris holding the shadow crystal in chapter 5s dark worldPain
>>742462015Quite a lot of us. Toby was stupidly young when he first made it big.
>>742461730and here's Toby making fun of them
If the roles canbbe swapped, then i'm thinking Kris Knight might become real but in different sense>Knight is said to be the one opening the fountains >Who is the person who has been opening fountains the most? >Kris>Then why is he working with the knight To steal the Knight's role in the prophecy, why? To not be The Cage
>>742462029it's ambiguous like everything else in this game
>>742461543Noelle is a psychopath probably.Still i dont understand why switching Noelle with Susie who suppose to be some minor antagonist that ruins the Spin Cake and joins Lancer would make it so that SHE falls in love with Noelle and Noelle falls for her? Does it mean in original story Noelle fallen for the minor antagonist in chapter 1??
>>742458638Not exactly related but just had a crackpot theory moment. What if Eram from the chapter 3 Sword route boss fight is actually meant to represent Ralsei, he's black like how Ralsei is when he's hidden, he uses fire magic, which has been shown in chapter 5 that he possesses, and that looks a lot like Eram's attack, and Eram has horns... and guess who has horns shaped like Eram, Ralsei. What if chapter 7 side B's final boss is Ralsei, hell he's even the one getting worried in chapter 5. All I'm saying is Eram is meant to represent Ralsei.
>>742459146I've been listening to this on repeat for almost a week now
>>742461904>guitar is mutedwhy
>>742459790Asriel Knight, yes
>>742461954>Rudy unironically makes the most sense nowGenuinely asking, did none of you guys read the part of this Chapter where The Knight was directly implicated in Dess's disappearance?Like Rudy endangering his surviving daughter and lying and betraying his friends and family was already bad enough, now you guys are arguing Rudy made Dess disappear and everything he's doing is to save her from... himself
>>742461904>>742462049Dess? Noelle?
>>742461730I dont get it. The knight looks literally nothing like the holidays whatsoever in any capacity. People are caught up on the worst evidence for identity physically possible.
>>742462141probably thought it was too on the nosenot on the nose enough, evidently
>>742462029I think the safest route is just to assume it can go either way with all four.
>>742461943>polyshit with rouxls and starwalkerliterally in a throuples club in castle town>la nina starts falling for one of Clover's heads in ch 5Not straight
>>742460641This is objectively beautiful fanart, but losers here will piss and shit themselves if they see even a drop of melanin on a fictional character.
>>742462081>(It might end up being really lame instead!)
>>742460694We all know damn well whomever drew that probably looks something like this:
>>742459609Not really. Some of the songs have grown on me a little bit, but I still feel it's the weakest chapter and has a lot of problems (outside of WR, that shit was dope)I suppose my opinion may shift depending on how chapter 6 recontextualizes it, but it definitely won't fix the bloated gameplay and mostly anemic character moments
>>742462015by a couple years
>>742462052God, their relationship just mogs every other one in the game.
>>742461714Where can I get this?
>>742462141It's damning evidence you have to datamine to findJust like the UNUSED text and this shit
>>742462205race mixing is not beautiful
>>742462168Why do we think the knight was responsible for Dess's disappearnce? All we know is that there was a dark world and black shards. Wouldn't it make sense that Rudy would investigate the black shards from his daughter's disappearance, and once he discovers their power use it for his plan to save her?
>>742462194I just listened to the guitar sound and it's really really bad so I guess thats why
>>742461389I love this fucking image so much
>>742462265>damning evidenceYou mean like friend and knight using the same files? Or does it only count if you like it?
>>742460207It also explains why he shows up to chapter 5 so late. Kris and the knights plan was clearly to yoink toriel (which failed) and then yoink asgore.
>>742459967if i didn't care so much about how kris felt i'd 100% be making all the homo-for-the-gote choices
>>742462212These people are happier and more fulfilled than you’ll ever be.
>>742462049>>742461904>knight stand theory
>>742461904this is not the knight
how does one disappear in dark world without any trace? I doubt Dess got lost in it, there's gotta be more to this. Maybe the knight really is it's own preexisting thing
>>742461879>Susie wants every day to be the same>Noelle wants to change everything >Susie likes Noelle for her fake good girl persona>Noelle likes Susie for her fake bad girl personaTheir personalities and desires are total opposites. It's only a matter of time before they clash, even on the normal path.
>>742462265The issue with this and every other "the NORMAL PLAYER would never see or think this" is that you don't you don't have to datamine it, someone will do it for you. You just have to type in "dess knight" on twitter to see everything.
Rudy's overworld sprites NEVER SHOW HIS FUCKING EYES OPEN
>>742459609haven't finished my third playthrough yet, but after replaying the first four chapters again this past week, I definitely feel...confused by some of the writing choices. I don't even mind the tonal shift: it just doesn't feel like it takes place directly after chapter 4 (minus the Weird Route, funnily enough)there probably IS a reason for it (prophecy mindfucking/Susie sleeping in the dark world/Kris being all grey and doing who knows what at the start), but it's vague in a way that doesn't contribute anythingAside from that, it's a good chapter. it's either my third or fourth favorite
>>742459720Okay, here's my schizo theory>Dess willingly drowned in the escapism of the dark worlds>this caused her to become a pawn of the Angel, an enforcer of the prophecy>over time she has completely lost herself, with only traces of her personality/appearance showing through the Knight>Carol/Kris think they can change who the Knight is and save Dess from filling the role>Susie is being primed as the sacrifice for this>Noelle is the girl>Susie is currently the girl's love>but if the Knight and the girl's love swap then her "love" will be the familial love Noelle has for her sister>the only reason they think this is possible is because Dess also took the role of Knight from a previous person>hence why they've existed for so long
>>742462186Anon the reindeer horns was like the very first then that put anyone on the Holiday families sent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohWV_I7xagLike father like sonNot flesh nor fish nor boneA red rag hangs from an open mouth.Alive at both ends but a little dead in the middle,A-tumbling and a-bumbling he will go.All the King's horses and all the King's menCould never put a smile on that face.
can I get the sauce of the full pic for this?
>>742461879Well really when you look at the prophecy, it doesn't make mention of more than one villain. Just multiple heroes, and the knight.What if the villains are able to be above the prophecy? There's Queen's whole thing about,>"Is Becoming An Evil Villain So Everyone Can Smile Bad?">"Don't Answer. Because You Would Be Wrong."
Is Toby just going to ignore the fact that Maddie is a lightner who knows about Dark Worlds and one who will go to Castle Town if beaten? She could tell Napstablook how his boss and ex coworker got kidnapped and bring evidence that Asgore gathered.
>>742461794>If I was Kris in a world where the prophecy foresaw the death of my friend, I would try to break it until I died, but I wouldn't murder someone to do it.Fuck no. I won't risk the life of the person I love. First, I'll find a replacement, and only then I'll fight to make sure that replacement survives.
>>742459609I think it's great, with the most compelling the Weird Route has been narratively, thought 2 was still more interesting mechanically, and Flowery and the platforming alone made the main route enjoyable. I do think it had the weakest secret boss by far, and I'm not surprised that at one point 3, 4 and 5 were meant to be released together because I think it's not that impactful a chapter on its own. I think it feels a bit like how I imagine it would have felt if 4 released on its own as well.
>>742461358Flowery knows that Kris opened the fountain, so he knows that he's the reason Asgore got put in danger. That's why he talks about Kris's "plans"
>>742462257royal sciences LLC
>>742461879Is it really still debatable?
>>742462319Are you sure about that?
>>742462392Susie does not believe in Napstablook, so she'll tell Maddie not to say shit.
>>742462265>you mirror-control the shadow nigga in Mantle>you coordinate a puzzle with it>then you only control it>as soon as you approach mini-Kris he destroys it on his own with no hesitationWhat does that MEAN
>>742462392napstablook would just shut the blinds and say he cant be kidnapped then
>>742461031Any other Spamelle take is better than basic bitch blueberry Sans-ass Spamelle.
>>742462412No you wouldn't
>>742462357The knight doesn't even have antlers
>>742459772>>742459853Rudy isn't a little bitch falling off a ladder is nothing to himHolidays are full of surprises
>>742462047if blue actually was just a buff giga nigga i'd actually respect toby for having the balls for doing something so stupid
>>742462319YWNBARW
>>742462273The Black Shards are unambiguously and directly connected to The KnightWhen Dess disappeared, a Dark Fountain was made and a Black Shard was left behind. The same thing happened at the computer lab, the black shard Asgore found.It doesn't make sense for The Knight to have left behind a black shard which Rudy somehow used to become The Knight 5+ years later.
>>742462435prove him wrong
>>742461172fuckin saved
Was this dialogue really necessary
I'll just cope about the knight being a spawn with dess' soul after the whole shelter incident of 01 that caused everyone's life to go wrong
>>742461804Humanfags in general just won hard with best Deltarune human.
>>742462029Kris is the ghost controlling us, the hapless player as we are forced to cuck them
>>742462383https://files.catbox.moe/1ah7xu.jpeg
>>742462462Even mine?
why does it feel like dessfags dropped off the face of the earth after ch5?
>>742462029I thought it was pretty clear that we are the ghost
>>742461941>>742462339>Susie wants to stop the Roaring>Noelle actually wants to cause the Roaring after Rudy diesholy kino
>>742462392The issue is that she doesn't want to do that, she wants to be a catgirl. She cares more about staying in that body than her family, a potent allegory
>>742462081>the knight ISN'T the cool optionokay then who is it? because i don't think any fucking option wouldn't be cool on some level>dessknight has all the LOSTGIRL ties to it plus emo tomboy doe is primo>rudyknight is just aura in a can>carolknight has a hag acting like a massive weeb and kicking ass>kriselleknight/noelleknight is a massive twist of expectations & ties the two routes together>hell even asrielknight would at least have the cool factor of a guy desperate to get his girl backso tell me this: what knight theory ISN'T cool?
>>742462468I would
>>742461425I'd say we continue to get content but we didn't really win. Susie is fun when Noelle is off her mind but becomes dull and boring whenever she is. Plus the stuff with excluding Berdly and the Mew Mew thing (that I think a lot of people get way too uppity about)
Thoughts?
>>742462430>halfway up the relationship meter, susie has to force it>halfway up the ferris wheel(the other two could see the lake easily)
>>742460260I'm not going to get mad at a scenario you invented to get mad at.
>>742460120Based schizo
>>742460436Thats why its NOT dess
Reminder that in the Weird Route, Noelle is going to be a glass cannon.Her HP is still going to drain but, unlike against Berdley, enemies will try to attack her
>>742462486Not how it works. You made the claim:>>742462319So you back it up.
>>742461879Funny.
>>742460481Live yourself, keep posting this.
>>742462430Post one where Noelle and Kriss are playing this game.
Other than Pirate Gaster, the insane cope that you Krusiefags have produced because you can't accept Suselle is the funniest shit in these threads
>>742462093>Kris steals the Knight's role in the prophecy>Susie can become The Cage because she's part humanFug
>>742462521Gee Spammy, that's a lot of thornrings.
>>742462331>how does one disappear in dark world without any trace?Pretty easily if the fountain never gets sealed.Consider this, someone becomes so obsessed with the dark world (like Susie is beginning to) that they never want to leave one. What then?Well, we know from as far back as chapter 1 that dark world food doesn't count as real food. So there's an actual danger that someone goes into a dark world and gets so caught up with the magic, or lost in the darkness, that they starve to death. And become a dustner.
>>742462528We're not the one ignoring Kris's desires though, he refuses to let us know what he wants and actively sabotages us and prevents us from doing what we want.
>>742460564CHUDsei... I KNEEL!
>>742462319Last tranny I met tried to kill himself a month ago
>>742462539The knight is papyrus
I really don't give a shit about the shipping.I'm just waiting for everyone to fucking die.
>>742461425>for some reason>acting like it's not implied even stronger as of this latest chapter
>>742462545>We're going to beat you with hammers for your crimes>The hammer of justice rings in the deepwhat's all this about hammers anywayare Kris and susie just destined to fight eachother at the end of time forever ala Slay The Princess Adversary?
>>742462493WTF Asgore you can't say that around blue.
>>742462527People were sure she would get some more screen time. Instead asriel just vague posts and we still don't even know what she looks like.
>>742462081>Toby audibly seething behind this lineWell maybe dont have your chapter leading up to the final two be a absolute nothingburger you yippy little shit
>>742462481>The Black Shards are unambiguously and directly connected to The KnightBut are they only connected to the knight? Saying that the knight is the only source of the shards has no basis. If you had limited information about Kris, you could just as easily say shadow crystals only come from Kris since he has a lot of them.>he same thing happened at the computer lab, the black shard Asgore found.Isn't that more evidence that black shards can appear in any dark world? The knight wasn't in chapter 2.
>>742462598I quite like hometown butcher
>>742462310Yeah, reused assets and completely unique assets and programmed behavior that you need to open and edit the game code to discover are exactly the same.
>>742462548No way Toby will force people to replay Chapter 2-5 to reach real end my nigga
>>742462548I fully believe this to be true. Though I believe will need to do both side A and B till chapter 7 before you can finish the Abandoned Weird Route
>>742462047That's kiddo blue, he needs to grow up first into a big nigga
Why did Noelle rape Kris after this moment?
>>742462548this wont work unless chrono trigger style chapterwarping is a thing later on
>>742462598If anything people are abandoning Kris+Susie and jumping on Kris+Noelle. Susie has pissed people off to much.
>>742462616>And become a dustner.shiiiiiieeeeeeeeet. Fuckin mindblown. Now it makes sense why would someone look for her in dark worlds
>>742462614I spent 10 hours farming them from the door glitch just for her.
>>742462545I love every moment where Susie and Kris share the same braincell.
>>742462693She wanted it.
>>742462329>this is not the knightOh of course, it must be the other character who was present at the end of the Chapter 4 Dark World that remained hidden just out of sight.
>>742462527I guess they got lost
I want to kiss Kris
>>742462548It will be first image, but you HAVE to beat all of them for the last route to appear
The item right behind you is chapter 6's secret schizo boss in the dark world. What is it and how does it attack?
I thought the community is super woke, why aren't people offended by the landfaggots thing
>>742458638>metaphysical kino/undertale memberberrieskris/soulelle knight looping into the past/prior versions of the game>family drama kinocarol/rudy/asriel knight trying to undo the past by becoming the knight>kris psychological trauma kinodess/vessel/regular Noelle/THE MAN (forma del Gaster) knight for the repressed memory angleI am fine with any of them but heavily favoring the second group if chapter 6 is more drama oriented than shit completely hitting the fan. Soulelle knight feels like fangame bullshit but I can see it being the truth depending on how close the climaxes/twists of undertale were to the story toby wanted to write for DR
>>742462015I'm 10 years younger than him
>>742462693funy
>>742462207Imagine the Knight reveal happening and its just a big ass joke character. I think Toby would be crucified
>>742461425>
>>742462141Dess is on a separate layer beyond the code of the dark world. It's also why her help me dialog is in the code only until Spamton just randomly says some.
>>742462093Imagine it just goes around in circles. Like the sound font at the ch5 piano.
>>742462693An eye for an eye. Dess taught her a good.
>>742458638The answer islike 5 different people and the exact answer changes between routes.
>>742462662>>We're going to beat you with hammers for your crimesPretty sure this is just a northernlion referencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOQk69lGq4
>>742461713Glad I'm not the only one that sees what a ripoff it is. Toby needs to stop cribbing from stories better than his.
>>742462693They both got raped but Noelle got mindbroken into enjoying it while Kris just got plain mindbroken.
>>742462528That's not very clear. Besides the obvious similarity on the physical side of the relationship, it is entirely possible, and actually quite common, for players to choose options which are never selfish, controlling, or presumptive.How is a sincere Kris cocksucker who always chooses what they think Kris would want, or someone who always tries to do the "right thing", covered by the ghost's motivations?Such a person is much more similar to the body.
>>742462768many people are not as soft as you think
>>742462693So it wasn't brainwash? He just reminded her memories she tried to supress after therapy? Weird Route Noelle is her real self?
>>742462721It's literally the only light world content I need
>>742462693She got a taste for human cock, she needed more.
>>742458638There are four knights like in chess, and none of them are Dess
>>742462598>the prophecy is making susie gay>it's shit on purpose>trust the plan, krusiechads are in controlpoor anons don't know what they're in for. the latter half of homestuck all over again
>>742462791We've given Toby plenty of psychic damage already, what's a few more with his high WIS stats?
Why is Gaster a pirate?
>>742462746it makes a guitar sound, it's a guitar darkner
>>742462616>Pretty easily if the fountain never gets sealed.The original Dark World must have been sealed, though. If it wasn't, then all Asgore would have had to do to prove he wasn't crazy was show it to someone else.
>>742462693Because Kris can't stay "stop" anymore.
>>742462527Dess was just completely irrelevant to Chapter 5, that's why.
>>742462662The former is literally a word-by-word Tumblr shitpost, I'm serious.
>>742462868>It's Jealous Bass
>>742462768Nature is healing.
>>742462795Leave Susie alone. She need a hug from someone real.
>>742462812So you are telling me susie knight bros can still win?
>>742462768Gays are reclaiming the F-word
>>742462746Why would the person on the edge of the screen be someone who can enter the Light World?
>>742462841>>742462721>Growing a rivalry and then fighting over Noelle in comedic fashion throughout the downtime of Chapter 6It'd be fun
>>742461358He also told Susie in secret about the Bunker code so I'm sure he knew Kris would destroy it if he had the chance. At the same time, he says he knows Kris and Susie are the ones who can save the day.
>>742462915Ye, but nah.
>>742462858There are two BLACK knights
>>742462598Holding our hope against seemingly inevitable fate is the whole theme of the game. When you think about it, Krusie fags are the just following what Toby taught them.
>>742462892This is the man that pulled Carol
>>742462835>Weird Route Noelle is her real self?Yep, NR Noelle is little more than a mask.
>>742462693Kris is the most molested character of all time. She couldn't resist it
>>742462768The woke worldview has been crumbling, and for awhile now, very few people have actually believed it. The people who posted woke shit were just parasites, or were people who thought they needed to say those things to fit in and not get canceled. Both those groups have gotten a lot smaller.
>>742462905Wait a second, if you beat Pink, Maddie will be there too! ...Oh no
>>742462548normal will go to the ending without context but the true ending will require all three
>>742462598barely anyone even WANTS susie anymore
>>742462693She got it from Dess.
>>742462861>the latter half of homestuck all over againit can hardly turn out worse than the gay singularity...
>>742462905What about me? I need a hug too, and Pink's pussy. What about my needs, huh?
>>742461504I think this is maybe the second or third worse Kris design I've ever seen.
>>742462958Exactly, they will be Rudy and CarolWhite knights will be Weird Route Kris and Noelle
>>742462680>the major antagonists voice is a reused assetDo you really HONESTLY think this?
>>742462693Being a doelester runs in the family.
>>742461904I always assumed this is just Toby's classic le funny gag. I don't get why would anyone pull knight out of their ass and connect it to this
>>742462675>But are they only connected to the knight?So far, yes. When Susie asks, Ralsei identifies them as "a piece of The Knight's sword.""The Knight must have made that fountain a long time ago" is the conclusion that the characters in the game draw and we have no reason to believe otherwise, yet.>The knight wasn't in chapter 2.They made the Cyber World fountain.
>>742462992To be fair, pretty sure Maddie is as straight as it gets.
>>742463035xhe's got the bell bottoms though
>>742462826Gays and troons absolutely are lol. They just assume that's an affection, homosexual faggots.
>>742462892>one of the last things rudy gets to find out before he inevitably dies of AIDS is that his best friend saw him like fucking floweryokay never mind i want rudyknight to happen for this interaction specifically
>>742462814Nobody is referencing him
>>742462991>>742462903>>742462826>>742462768It's not because people are "anti woke", it's because people already like to make the joke that Toby "earned" Andonuts' "eat shit faggots" drop by being really woke, so an implied joke in the pirate clip is that "Toby earned a second one"
>>742462746>*(It's a door. A large person could fit inside)>*(Could, not necessarily is right now)
>>742461887Pipis
>>742462768Fag is one of the most defanged slurs in existence.
>>742463053If you believed Tenna, the knight also made the chapter 3 fountain.
>>742458638REBELnormalNPC knight will be real
I'm putting together a team
>>742461425we really didn'tin fact i think anyone who wanted platonic relationships probably lost the hardest out of anyone
>>742462812>Schrödinger's Knight
>>742462265>You switch control from Kris to the black deerAnother win for Kriselle knight believers
>>742462548Kind ofMy assumption is that all the routes are stuck in a loop that never ends but there will be a specific series of decisions that lets you break the loop and reach an ending
>>742463053>They made the Cyber World fountain.This, post dark world the game lets you call attention to the closet, same as chapter 4.
>>742463032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9BuOtrLRmI
>>742460987If the idea that Don't Forget is a duet between Kris and Noelle, it's absolutely gonna have some tragic ending where they're perma separated.
Queen, Spamton, Tenna and Flowery are basically the same character and the same joke
>>742463102Isn't Flowery more like Kris' perception of Rudy since it's his dark fountain?
>>742463146normalnpc has already done more actual shit offscreen than the knight has onscreen
>>742463147a crew*
>>742462873Yeah this actually a bit of a potential plot hole. Since we literally know there is an ongoing dark world in the shelter. You'd think proving they exist shouldn't be hard.
>>742463049You're telling me (at least) two different characters use a version of the same asset, so the asset is reused by definition, yes
>>742463121Anon, the people who complain about these things are the type that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. If they taste blood in the water, they'll never stop. There is no world where actual progressives would accept it.
>>742463175>hiding in a closetIts rudy, who else is closeted gay?
>>742461793>THERE'S ONLY TWO POSSIBLE ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTIONBecause Dess made him watch the show OF COURSE ITS DESS ITS ALL DESS ALL THE TIME I'M GOO GOO GAGA DESSKNIGHTERActually Rudy used to make him watch the show and its also his favorite show.
>>742463179
>>742463028I mean, Toby basically pulled a GAME OVER in Chapter 5's B-Side, complete with the kind character showing her dark side and royally screwing things up.
>>742463140Most the darkners only know what they are told. The knight told queen to make more fountains so she rolled with it. Kris told Tenna a bunch of shit so he went with it too.
>>742462992>don't bother pink, susie flirts with everyone
how woke will chapter 6 be? I'm thinking communism
>>742463212Oh shit, I completely forgot about Everyman. Did we get ANYTHING about him since chapter 2?
if we consider the triple trucies segment in ch2 to be a parallel to the main story it sort of feeds into dess knight>we make a truce with berdly (before ch5 thought to be asgore but i guess he isn't actually in on the conspiracy after all)>we make a truce with the queen (carol) to search for noelle (dess)>and finally we make a truce with the knight (dess)>noelle wears a box to not be recognized, parallels knight's helmet>kris, carol and the knight go on trying to find dess even though she's been near us this whole time>queen trying to make noelle into the new knight supports noelle/knight parallels
>>742463208He already drives hometown subplot forward i wouldnt mind him driving main plot forward too
>>742462903>>742462991>>742463087>>742463121retards
>>742462527If I had to guess, they're bored. There is absolutely nothing to go off so when the memes of Doelester/Asgore's truck run dry, no one gives a shit about Dess anymore
>>742463151i would have loved if susie was an autist who doesn't understand love, so she doesn't even try
>>742462980But that mean Noelle is going to kill everyone. She doesn't care about Hometown. Her discovering a way to cause Roaring will just make her get a knife and open more fountains. Probably because they can bring her dead father back like they did Gerson
>>742461904Obviously its Rudy because he's a big fag.
>>742462861I dread pic related every night.
>>742463194
So where is chapter 6s fountain going to be?People say the hospital but besides the church most fountains are a couple hundred square feet in size. I could see it being a room in the hospital, but not the whole thing.
>>742462938>Why would the person on the edge of the screen be someone who can enter the Light World?I'm really curious what you think you're even trying to say here>>742463123>That conspicuous detail?>Toby wrote it for... heh.... no reason.>I am a very smart boy.
>>742462527asriel cucked them from doelest shit
>>742463264kek
>>742463293>posting negrogif on a chinese silkworm forum
>>742463264what if Susie is actually the prince in the dark...?
>>742462527i'm still here but like, what do you want me to talk aboutthere's nothingzilchi mean i guess there's confirmation she was smooching asriel?? not exactly shocking news there
>>742463165>"I don't get it, who could the Knight possibly be!?">>Me
>>742462327I'm a belieber
I was a gaint Krusie fag since day 1, and to a degree I still am, but I gotta admit that the festival interactions + the WR + Susie's cuckings are slowly winning me over to team Kriselle.
>>742463280Noelle and Susie 30 minute sweaty scissoring lesbian sex to celebrate Ralsei's sex reassignment surgery as Kris takes the Soul out to watch from the chair and speaks for the first time to call the player a chud.
>>742462746Asgore is inside the closet, get it because he's gay and won't come out for Rudy, and also because he's investigating the church and Alvin said he usually comes at night
>>742462141because you cant hear it, even thought its there.
>>742463329prove it
>>742462861>>742463324what happened>nothing (I'm presuming)no but what happened
>>742463208>2I could go for some venison
>>742463340>I'm really curious what you think you're even trying to say hereI'm just asking a question. Why are you pretending to not understand it? What reason do you have to believe that the person on the edge of the screen is someone who would appear in the Light World after the Dark Fountain is closed?
>>742463324You fags keep talking about this trash. Can i get a qrd?
I believe that no matter what else happens I will still get scenes of Kris and Susie doing stupid shit and that fills me with hope
>>742463385Toby Fox? What an honor!
>>742463324it's gonna happen and you know it
>>742463280I really wish communism actually worked and didn't inevitably just lead to faschism dressed up as democracy.
>>742462327>it's fucking Wonder of Uplease no
>>742463263>vriska made jade create jack noir>aranea contributed to everyone in the main cast bar john and roxy dying in the pre-retcon timelineoh damn does this mean dess created the knight?
>>742463280Depends on how hard Suselle crahes.
>>742463208>picDont forget muffet and possibly monsterkid and snowy
>>742463408The story hit a point where hussie just said fuck it, killed off all the characters creating a game over situation, then had John use his newfound time powers to do a series of things that cause Vriska to come back to the plot, where there is then a huge timeskip where she fixes everything and all of the characters become gayer as a result.
>>742463216Also its incredibly convinent that absolutely no one has gone to the closet in the entire time through all 5 chapters outside of Kris and Susie. You are telling me none of the teachers, nor students went there at all? Not even any potential unknown custodians? No? Ok sure
Why the Knight dont just kill the Lightners?and if he need the Lightners, then why he attacks them? and why he wanted Toriel but then he ran away without her?
>>742463378Hell I'll sign on to any Dess Knight theory if it means getting gigantic tits in Deltarune.
>want dessknight because it would be cool and hot>don't want dessknight because that would mean she jobbed to a wall and nearly lost to a flower
>>742462052Why are there already several shadow crystals related to Noelle?
>>742463324is hussie still alive?
>>742463495knight doesnt scale as high as noelle methinks
>>742462527Krismas knight is the new hotness
Put it in
>>742463474have faith in OUR HEROES
>>742463324Seconding the qrd request.All I know about Homestuck's ending is that it involved a Snapchat knockoff or something along those lines.
>>742463052If you look at how the text scrolls in that sequence it's very respectful/heavy, not a joke. It's very serious what you're seeing.
>>742463509Noelle route is the broken dream Kris sacrificed to protect her
>There is also something off about jockingtonthis goner stuff is going to make the last 2 chapters creepy as fuck isnt it
>>742463486naruhodo...
>>742463494so far only ch1 and 2 were on school day.
>>742463509Shadow crystals show a broken dream. The dream of a world where the prophecy business didn't force Kris to push Noelle away.
>>742463495Knight is actually agood guy and is collecting relevant people into the bunker to survive the world's slaughter, this time from underwater.>TorielKnight doesnt actually want to save her lol, it was out of obligation until Undyne came in
>>742462548It's more like thisIt won't be easy to get your perfect ending, but we can break fate if we try
Maybe if Kris is lucky he'll get to donate them some sperm for a baby.
>>742462992if i knew how to draw i'd draw something about ralsei/noelle crashing out on susie about escapism and then in the background pink is just doing pic related
>>742463469You are typing on a personal computer
WHY DOESN'T THE KNIGHT JUST KIDNAP SUSIE SO SHE CAN'T INTERFERE
>>742462768I’m gay and most of the group chats I’m in with other gays involve us slinging homophobic slurs at each other.
>>742463521Physically yes. Spiritually no.
>>742463508I had the exact same thought
>>742463474elaborate for those among us that haven't read part 8 yet
>>742462457that panel corresponds to the lakeaborted weird route is sword route, and that thing is what's left in the lake of (You)Kris will stop the amalgamation. Kris will get stronger, and open the way into the dark.
>>742463561There wasn't that much off about him in chapter 5 I don't think.
>>742463508it may reduce her cool factor, but it does increase her cuteness by at least 5%
>>742463594Swap hero and dark and it's correct
>>742463495The knight and kris are just playing characters. The chapter 3 fight shows the knight could 1 shot ralsie and susie whenever they want, but choose to keep up the game. They wanted both toriel and asgore in the shelter, probably to keep them 'safe' from whatever their big plan is.
>>742463557interesting, I'll pay more attention to it on replay. However there's another thing. Didn't Knight summon Titan to buy time for itself? Why would it still be in dark world after the gang finished the Titan
>>742463594Snail Race Theory
>>742462693For me, this scene was far more unnerving than the lake one
>>742463508There's no shame in struggling against a flower's dream
am I the only one who feels like the plot in its current state just feels like the most finely crafted bait to get asriel involved
>>742463508Im fine with her being a jobber if I get infinity dess art forever for it
>>742463408It's a lot to explain but I'll keep it simpleImagine a character who shows up in the half point in the story. They are very in your face all the time and are good at everything yet aren't a complete mary sue. Then they reveal later in the story that they are responsible for the main bad being made just so they can be the hero of the story. Another character kills them to save everyone. In the afterlife, that character goes through their own adventure trying to be relevant and get back in the story. They fail and realize maybe they were wrong about what they did. They then get into a gay relationship with another character who fucked up. You think that chracter has gone through growth. But then the author says no actually, this character was right and was always important and has the main character literally reset and retcon events so that character is back in the cast and a slide show shows how them being alive solved problemsAlso they go tell their other self that they're a punk bitch and steals their girlfriend The story ends with everyone fighting mooks while while this character fights the main bad and one shots himThe story then ends and this character's story continues in epilogues years later
Blue Belle
>>742463350Undertale if it sucked.
>>742463530Put the doe in the lake? You got it!
>>742463416Why would I assume that this extremely unusual intimate Dess-coded interaction between Kris and someone just offscreen is some random Darkner and not Dess, who is The Knight, hiding just out of view before and after the fountain is sealed
>>742463618prophecy says no
>>742463508Dess is Vriska. A huge bitch, but also a huge dork.
>>742463330You start the game getting Noelle from the hospital (being bedside by Rudy in critical condition) to show her Castle Town, then after that, the Hospital becomes a Dark World. Once you seal that fountain and bring Noelle home, you see her house has a second fountain and dark world where you go through and get the final code.
>>742463583That's fucking sad, man. Fuck the prophecy.
>>742463627spoiler tag it though because i still want to read it
>>742463619Be my boyfriend fag
>>742463495the knight can end the world and cause the roaring anytime it wants by opening 999 fountains inside fountains but its not
>>742462798it's been a year since 3+4 came out so I've forgotten all the dess code stuffbut dess being lost in the code could be separate to the dark knight stuff
>>742463552that was just a post ending epilogue credits sequence showing some of the results of the post-ending world in their new universe etc etc.That's it, basically. Anybody who tells you that homestuck has another epilogue or a sequel is a deluded schizophrenic who is not to be taken seriously.
Does Kris know he's in a video game? What about Ralsei and Susie? I know Kris is aware of us in some sense and probably Ralsei, but do they know the full extent of who we are and that we're players, or are we just some unknown force that controls them in some unseen way?
>>742463653If we consider everything we know about chapter 4, it seems like the knight already discovered no Lightners were inside the church, so we need to reconsider why the Knight made the Dark World in the first place.My theory after chapter 5 is that the Knight planned to force Ralsei to kill a Titan with fire magic, to advance the prophecy. It's the only thing that really makes sense IMO.
>>742463673My bet is we’ll never see Asriel in Deltarune.
>>742463330There are three options I see>Hospital>Holiday household>ICE-E'sIt is apparently an easier chapter to develop so I do not expect a double whammy.
>>742463508>>want dessknight because it would be cool and hotYou *really* think toby won't make her a dyke?
why is the Knight kidnapping people
>>742463723heh
>>742462457Kris doesn't want (You) figuring anything out.Which, when you think about it, is really stupid. An entity like the SOUL is probably perfect for helping them solve their problems but they just treat it like shit and go out of their way to stop it from learning anything.With an attitude like that, the SOUL could end up doing some real mean stuff accidentally like having their doe friend rape them again for old time's sake.
>>742463701I didn't say it was a Darkner. I hate you motherfuckers that are too thin-skinned to answer a simple question.
>>742463673they are trying to abduct the Dreemurrs...
>>742463263literally who
>>742463627basically the villain turns out to just be the stand of a complete literal who character
>>742463618Susie isn't a problem. Dude can one shot her whenever, but chooses not to.
>>742463723kino
>>742463552Basically the ending was kind of a vague fuck you>Hype Lord English final boss battle and culmination of various plot hooks and stuff surrounding him in a big flash similar to Cascade and some payoff with them winning the game>Ending completely skips the fight with the big bad, most of the endgame revolves around retarded shipping shit, no satisfying conclusion or wrap up with all the characters in the supposed aftermath etcIt was kind of a "vagueposting" the ending combined with going "no you don't get the true final boss battle lmao"
>>742463594You do all the routes to unlock the last story
>>742463758To harvest determination so he can create more dark fountains at once.
>>742463712I love these types of outfits.
>>742463723Sorry man I didn't know you were in there, I'll knock next time
>>742463619can i be ur friend? x3
>>742463673Asriel will either only show up at the end or always be off screen as a gag.
>>742463627Wonder of U is a stand of the main bad that causes calamity to strike anybody trying to pursue the user or the standThink final destination weaponized but also inconsistent on what counts as trying to approach the user
>>742463753Nigger she was canonically Asriel's GF.
>>742463701>extremely unusual intimate Dess-coded interaction It's funny because if anything the photo album from this chapter stronger suggests Kris doesn't care that much about Dess.
>>742463747>so we need to reconsider why the Knight made the Dark World in the first place.I choose to believe it's somehow related to Gerson's corpse being unburied. He was important to prophecy or some convoluted plan of the conspiracy
>>742463594the only question is where to abandon itCurrently, if you make [frozen chicken] with your [side chick] you don't have access to the thorn ring, whose use in the Twisted Sword recipe seems to be the best "lead" in to how to get a different ending, though there's an argument that it is more interesting to need to abandon the WR in chapter 4 instead, since chapter 3's sword path is sort of a "walkthrough" for the weird route to begin with, and chapter 5 Noelle at the festival has different dialogue if you did WRch2 and abandoned in 4And of course there's the "chapter 5" aborted weird route, which sets its own flags in the system so who can say which abandon point is the most pertinent - there's 3 different "valid" options
>>742463618She's part of the plAn.
>>742463708>Dess is VriskaSo what you're saying is that December will get the Megalovania of Deltarune?
>>742463478catty totally would be a fucking disney adult wouldn't she
>>742462265>the variable you have to change to cause this is called "Toriel".The fuck does she have to do with this?
>>742463784And then the epilogues happened.
>>742463729Just don't read it
>>742463140The Knight creating the first two fountains is never challenged and I'm going to choose to believe the information that the game asserts as fact is true until I'm given an actual reason to believe otherwise.
>>742463521By his own rules juggalos are immortal
What do you see in this GIF? Is Kris lifting Noelle's head, or is it just her hair?
>>742463819My bad I forgot...but isn't that just more cucking?
>>742463758That's what's frustrating me the most about the Knight. Everyone's obsessed with the who and not the why. The Knight's identity is worthless if we can't figure out what it wants
>>742463815Nta but also the stand is controlled by a man in the hospital as well so it also lines up
>>742463508Walls are STRONG and Flowery is STRONG
>>742463843YesShe always roleplays with the princess
>>742463486>>742463684>stopped reading homestuck long before vriska went full lesbo (far as i knew her ass was dead)>actually liked her at one point (partly because i was being contrarian, but also i just generally like asshole characters)>randomly stumble upon the utter bullshit hussie made her do lateri kinda stopped wanting to know once i found out he actually gave jade a dog dick, but the ride just keeps on going somehow
>>742463747>>742463827really why all Dark Worlds are made though? Has anyone figured it out? Only ch3 and ch5 make sense to me, to bait Undyne and Asgore
>>742463884Noelle is taller than Kris.
>>742463508>nearly lost to a flowerYou guys are delusional, Flowery accomplished fuck all in that fight.
>>742463884colorpick says just hair but i still like the idea of kris lifting her head
>>742463627Wonder of U is an automatic stand that brings calamity upon those who have ill will towards the user. It final destinations people trying to pursue the villain without him having to think about it, thus the memes of new stand powers just being "you fucking die" since its just Notorious BIG without being complete dogshit
>Drink all the water in the pool
>>742463684so some side character hijacks the plot, has their arc resolved gets put away, only to come back and hijack the plot again and just solve everything themselves?
>>742463843cute!even though i hate those girly movies
>>742462768Some of the replies mention it, but it's more so because of faggots wanting to have their own version of retard/nigger that they can reclaim, so it ain't as offensive or whatever
>>742462548esoteric nonsense
>>742463884Pretty sure it's just the hair.
>>742463776He could have used an earlier introduction but Tooru was kino and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>742463594it's just going to be doing every route until the last one unlocks and that satisfies the only one ending requirement.
>>742463873Kris made Card Kingdom, that's my headcanon
>>742463723swingin' dong
>>742463943YupAnd liking that character and defending them is an instant red flag
>>742463340>Toby wrote it for... heh.... no reason.To fuck with you.I prefer to think there is some other character we don't know that could be in there. Because that's more interesting than "yeah it's just the knight". Didn't you get the hint from "lost dreams" that it's boring when you know what's going to happen and Toby is actually an (incredibly) subversive writer?
>>742463651>prophecywhy cant the prophecy just carry out naturally, every part of it now feels forced
how 2 theory craft>your favorite character>your fetish>your esoteric beliefs>evidence(optional)
>>742463920Yeah, but it's also ahead, which means it's a little deeper.
>>742463673for what it's worth, I'm not even a gotefag but I got the exact same feeling
>>742463264susie is unlikeable in so many ways I struggle to pick the reason why I don't care for her presence.
>>742463748I agree in the sense that if I was making a prophecy I would make the anti prophecy guy a mini version of the guy who would fulfill it if he showed up
>>742463970>yfw playing through chapter 1 ten times
The number one issue all Knight theories run into is answering the question "Why did the Knight endanger Noelle in chapter 2 by opening a dark fountain where she was studying"I haven't seen anybody able to explain how that could've been acceptable to any knight candidate. Except, regrettably, Kriselle knight
>>742463970Man Shadow 05 was so ambitious with the ending idea
>>742463923it's about aura anon
>>742464003knight conspiracy gc are probably prophecy accelerationists
>>742463673Asriel will show up in Chapter 7, trust the plan.
>>742463673If I am confident about one thing it's that we will never see Asriel.
>>742463685actually better than the original
>>742463969NTA but hard disagreeHe's so boring especially compared to every other villain in the part that came before himHis backstory is also weird as well>I'll groom yashio to help me integrate into society by being the head doctor>But I also need a very specific doctor because my stand only can have one face>And also I'll date her years later and then dump her
>>742463841Maybe she's waiting at the end of the "real game" to stop Krismas Knight from looping. You know how some people theorize "ERAM" to resemble Dess' face?
>>742463884
>>742463969>Tooru was kinoah, so we're here nowjojolands must be that bad huh
>>742463673if he didn't show up for the festival he's not showing up ever. same goes for papyrus
>>742464003We don't even know if the knight and kris are trying to force the prophecy.
>>742460564>>742461336My mind is telling me that it's corroborated with "what is a darkner/object given life supposed to be" and "every shard boss has something to say about Kris' and the player's situation", but my body is telling me that we live in a gay faggot world and Toby has expressly dabbled in gay faggotry so everyone interpretting everything as being overtly virtue signaling garbage is, in fact, possible. Being a fan was already cringeworthy, but now I might be at risk of suicide if the payoff over the last 10 years of waiting for the entire story can't justify the humiliation of the faggotry.
>>742463673I believe Asriel is the Knight.
>>742464047something something prophecy something something noelle will get stronger
>>742463884Looks like his hand to me.
>>742463884It's her hair.
>>742464047Well every Knight theory must already account for the Knight endangering the entire world by summoning a Titan in 4, which is way worse.
>>742462598friendfags are in no place to talk when your guy was just a shitty jpg AGAIN
>>742464108Nah, jojolands is okHowler is established but we haven't got everything about him figured out yet Not unless he become the jobin of the part
>>742464010virovirokun infected susie and noelle with the homosexual virus, doesn't affect ralsei for obvious reasonsdidn't do anything for kris because depression or somethingvirovirokun, he's homosexual too
>>742464108It's actually really good and much better than 8.I just found myself enjoying 8 a lot when I finally got to read it from start to finish. It's not perfect and some parts are handled sloppily but it is a good story overall.
>>742463969>Tooru was kino
>>742464087>>742463969His backstory was so fucking obviously grafted (heh) on to Yasuho to cheaply create the feeling that this guy has always existed as a sinister threat to the main cast. I'll never understand why he dumped Jobin. Or the fucking countdown. It's like he got bored of the story in the literal final act lol
>>742464047>This one fountain needs to be made because it's my origin storyPretty kino, and it explains why the computer lab fountain is the one that doesn't seem to have any abduction plan in mind and the knight doesn't bother showing up for.
>>742464061thats dumb, i hate this conspiracy mystery shite, i didnt want that from deltarune>>742464112even if they arent the part where the ch5 fountain just spontaneously appears just to waste time, feels like its all forced
>>742463508knight will get offscreen/cutscened by darkner/grafted flowery and asgore fighting together in ch7
>>742464163I got so sick of it when the doctor started pulling abstract gizmos out of his pocket to fuck with gappy
>>742463923Despite his stats being actually shit he was still able to deadlock Knight with his bare hands.
>almost no just plain yuri art that isn't viewed from kris's perspectivewe got what we wanted bros, why are you lot acting so sullen?
Maybe this is explained somewhere and I'm retarded, but why does nobody ever talk about the Knight's fountains and Kris' having the same texture?
>>742464116Jockingtonknight bros...
>>742464108JoJolands has been actually pretty good so far.Really, Araki shouldn't have tried making a mystery manga with JoJolion, it's clear now that that was a mistake
i have to say, none of the hometown themes (town called hometown, hometown day, festival) really hold a candle to snowdin town from undertale. toby can still lock in and make a boss theme or field theme when he needs to, but these little transitional moments have lost their spark compared to the undertale ost. anything that isn't obviously telegraphed as one of the chapter's "big songs" just sounds like generic rpg music, whereas in undertale ost if you discount stuff like "long elevator" essentially every song was great to listen to.
>>742464139Knight knew Ralsei can nosell the Titan, that was the point of summoning it was to force Ralsei's mask off. Gerson saved him
>>742464202The point of the chapter 5 fountain is to kidnap asgore. The knight just gets delayed but once they're aware they immediately spawn a second fountain and grab him.
>>742460564Trannies are mental gymnastics ing this into supporting them
>>742463884Kris just decided to check her teeth real quick.
>>742464213Funny, that was my favorite part. I like how he's a non-combatant so he just uses whatever bullshit he can find.Guess it's just a matter of perspective.
>>742464238The problem is that he kept changing his mind too muchThe entire arc with Kira and Josefumi was kinoJust two buds trying to solve a mystery
>>742464115This is my greatest fear as well. Someone said that despite all the previous homosex, Chapter 5 was the first real "woke" chapter, and I agree with that. Hope it doesn't continue.
>>742464010Pink will have to use her kissy mind control powers in order to let us finish the aborted weird route, as foreshadowed by Alphy's infodump from undertale.
>>742463923>t. Ralsei
>>742463216>Kris created the original Dark World (maybe related to the "demon summoning" with Catti that was referenced again in Chapter 5)>Dess and Asgore are somehow involved, Dess is lost/taken/transformed and leaves a black shard behind>Logically, Kris must have also sealed the original Dark Fountain, since they have the only human SOUL in town>When the Dark World disappeared Dess was gone, nobody believes Asgore's claims and Kris is too young and traumatized to be reliable>Years later, Carol has never given up on Dess>She repeatedly goes to the Shelter with Undyne to continue her own investigation>She either somehow discovers how to make a Dark Fountain herself, or she gets Kris to do it again>Opening the Dark World again allows The Knight to return from The Depths>the events of the game shortly followThis seems like the best picture we have of what happened, as of now
>>742464276sexo
>>742463873>Tenna turned to talk to the actual Kris and not the sword KrissyDamn, never actually noticed
>>742464242I think Happy Town is better than any Undertale town song, even if it's not a nice song necessarily. I also think not every track in Undertale in a hit, in particular it stood out to me how unremarkable the normal battle themes are in such an otherwise stellar soundtrack after hearing Rude Buster for the first time.
>>742464010Susie was regularly beaten as a child and molested as a kid
>>742463884It's probably her hair but everyone should just accept it's Kris's hand because that's better
>>742464276A winning smile
>>742464286jojolion ended with vitamin c
>>742464116You have found the golden path
ok, if the Knight is actually "leh good" then why he summon a fucking titan in chapter 4? If it weren't for Gerson, they wouldn't have won
>>742464276I've literally never been genuinely entranced by a drawing of teeth before.
>>742464252thats stupid. How about we just go into fountains with a specific goal and actually accomplish said goal by doing the thing? You know, like a good game
>>742464286If JoJolion was just focused on Josefumi and Kira it would've been a masterpiece. You could still have Yasuho and even Rai show up too if you changed some stuff around.
>>742463884its his hand, but his hand is under her hairso he is lifting her head up with her hair on top of his hand
>>742464327The bunker dark world was made by Kris stabbing Dess
>>742464380I think a lot of people are really hoping there isn't going to be some "the knight's actions are actually totally justified" shit.
>>742464242The only issue I have with the deltarune soundtrack compared to undertale is that so far it lacks a track like another medium that's actually stellar. Some tracks in deltarune are very good, but none is as impactful as another medium imo.
>>742464385Proceed when ready
>>742464271got a screenshot? I wanna see
>>742464343I don't think it is better, with all the emphasis on Noelle taking Kris' hand and leading the way the idea that Kris would just let go to push Noelle's head up is retarded. You already have better instances of Kris' futile struggle with him clinging to his bed and walking so slow, this just sounds like a worse version of that that is also not as good as just the visual of Noelle clinging to his hands the whole descent.
>>742464441fucking dumbass
>>742464380>If it weren't for Gerson, they wouldn't have wonwhy do you think alvin dug up his corpse?
>>742464331What was the deal with game Tenna anyway. Does the real Tenna play the game just to vent? Why does nothing happen when you kill him?
>>742464441Fag
>>742464396Because the main menu says 7 chapters so we gotta drag this shit out for a decade
>>742464116I just can't see him being weaker than his UT counterpart for some reason
>>742464380because as ordained by the prophecy, they wouldn't lose here. The prophecy is a bitch to deal with but the best option is to rules lawyer and recontextualize it to have it be what you want.
>>742464276>How it feels to get a taste of that Freedom Sauce
>>742464435I'm hoping the dark knight and Kris are the good guys whilst SOUL is the villain/sacrifice to save the world
>>742463673Toriel talking about how they're going to have to actually go drive and pick up Asriel seemed like pretty definitive confirmation that he's not showing up before the ending (if at all)Same with Papyrus, I'm feeling pretty confident that "Sans's brother" isn't even in the same timeline as him right now.
>>742464469Nothing we've seen actually shows the knight as weak. Yeah he bumps into a wall, but he one shots ralsie, susie, and flowery.
>>742464380Fire Magic
>>742464423Okay but why? Was Kris just pulling an Aqua and going "KNIFE GAME WOOOOOOOO" at Dess?
The plot of this game is getting far more complicated than homestuck
>>742464507>im hoping to be a cuck
>Flower Man at 3.1m views>Cutie Mew Mew Magic only at 3m
>>742464010Aqua being a flower proves Kris is a real hermaphrodite.
>>742464202>even if they arent the part where the ch5 fountain just spontaneously appears just to waste timeIt didn't spontaneously appear, Kris made it, then Susie followed to close it. We don't know why Kris made it, but it didn't just pop up out of the blue and there was a natural reason to go in there.
>>742464541Sustingus!
>>742464398>its his hand, but his hand is under her hair>so he is lifting her head up with her hair on top of his handThere it is, the absolute truth.
>>742464541Through determination, the dream came true.
>>742464541yikes
>>742464290Mabey it's just me coping, but I don't consider Chapter 5 to be full on "woke," but it came much closer than any other chapter. My hope is that, with Ch6 being much more overtly serious, there won't be as much opportunity for any more fag shit (besides obviously Suselle, which i don't think will last).
>>742464541I begrudgingly came around to like CMMM, but Flower Man is one of the best tracks of Tobert's career.
>>742464380the useful part of working around a prophecy is that you know the heroes will win 99% of the time (even if it does involve the poor guy directing the SOUL having to deal with some real bullshit)
>>742464525I think tobys answers are going to be pretty simple in hindsight, people just like to over theorize because he vague posts so much.
>>742464539i bet you also hate flowery
>>742464464>Why does nothing happen when you kill him?Actually regular tenna takes more damage if you completed sword route and fight him
>>742464525Unless something like Noelle pulling a Caliborn to manifest the Angel to enact the prophecy across all realities ends up being true, then no it's not.
>>742464520I'm not saying the knight is weak I'm saying I expectwant asriel to be chucking galaxy busters again
>>742459146>english dubyou didn't watch the anime
>>742464380Do you think the Rudy theory implies he's a good guy, no he was a secret asshole
>>742464541Mewers, we have to go support our oshi!
>>742464010Noelle and Kris are in love with each other and were together in the original timeline.
>>742463768>I didn't say it was a Darkner.You said "someone who can't enter the Light World." That is a Darkner.If you're going to say some stupid bullshit like "It's Dess but she's just le girl in le code so she just magically coincidentally phased back into reality at that moment to touch Kris's hand and do nothing else, that's totally less contrived than Dess just being the fucking Knight who was actually there" I would appreciate you just saying that instead of being a coy catty bitch wasting both of our time
>>742464541Mew mews song doesn't even come close to the other secret boss themes IMO.
>>742464468That's ridiculous. You go to dungeon to fight big bad, get special item, then repeat process until game done. Why can't Deltarune be straightforward for once?>>742464559it wasnt there when you enter that section, then just shows up purely to waste time. some heroes, cant stay on track for even a second
am I going to catch the gay if i play this game?
>>742464524dess and/or noelle both abused the fuck out of kris when asriel wasn't around
>>742464635That's canon
>>742464047Dess knight so she can see the city. She knows Noelle can handle herself
>>742464660Nah, just autism
>>742464682naw Hammer of Justice is beautiful
>>742464620>japanese dubyou didn't watch the cartoon
>>742464660Chapter 5 made me more homophonic so you're probably fine.
>>742464452It's more romantic, in a way. Even though all hope is lost, Kris is still trying to keep Noelle safe.I guess that's the main reason why people prefer the hand headcanon.
>>742464669Dess possibly, kid Kris seemed to like Noelle even if she possibly was a brat forcing him along into stuff
>>742464614Kris does like three times the damage to Tenna, he really fucking hates him.
>>742464541that gap should get bigger
>>742464340And apparently so was Aqua? Somehow despite being a flower?
>>742464645at least better than burning eyes and hammer of justice
>>742464660no, you will become ultra autistic though
>>742464713>Spanish dubYou didn't watch the novella.
Anyone else hoping Flowery would actually kick the Knight's ass?
he was so expressive this chapter brosI want him to become real
>>742464739Burning eyes is actually top 5 songs in deltarune for me, but agreed with hammer of justice.
>>742464707>>742464757If he's posting here he's probably already autistic.
>>742464657We don't know why it showed up because we don't know why Kris made it. It would have been retarded for the 'hero' to just ignore the suddenly formed Dark World that had what she saw as an innocent bystand in there. If you want to get upset at them for not staying on track then get upset that they chose to engage with the festival at all, by the time the Dark World appeared pursuing it was the logical thing to do.
>>742464765>novellaAnon...
>>742464589doesnt feel like the heroes are "winning" when shit like this happens every single secondthis is supposed to be an adventure? Fuck this death note type shit, it sucks
>>742464660No. But you can become a shipfag like me, though.
>>742464802Yes but consider SUPER autism
Oldfags, is the way this shit makes me feel, how it felt to follow Homestuck
>>742464660Only if you are a furfag
Why does Kris cry himself to sleep after chapter 4’s weird route? Was tainting Noelle that bad? The tea thing still comes to mind so the protectiveness surprises me.
>>742459609Having gone past my anxiety and awful expectations for chapter 5 after the release, I think I can see things more clearly now.I'd say my opinion for it has changed in a similar way it did for chapter 2 to me. I have a big list of complaints about it, yet I do feel I honestly enjoyed my time in hindsight. But for chapter 5, that list is ever bigger and that enjoyment isn't as high in comparrisson.I'm once again proven right that Tricky Tony is a real thing as he keeps forcing jabs on shit like Ralsei's hat, or dunking on people who expected FRIEND to be important. Yet again, it's more proof he has no clue on how to properly escalate the tension and tone of the story, or how to keep plot threads meaningful.It's a fun romp that almost feels fan made (not a criticism) and is completely out of place at this point in the story. 8 year later, 5 out of 7 chapters and Toby is still vagueposting about what the actual story of this game is. But, back in chapter 2 I said I knew I wasn't going to enjoy the full story, so I'd focus my attention on the side stuff. And now, I can say HERE I COME SAN FRAN DISCO!!!!!!Also obligatory ........Mike.................................
What is wrong with the doe? Is that suppose to be romantic? It feels like she unironically think Susie would punish her and thats what she finds attractive? That was a running joke since chapter 1, but it feels wrong.
>>742460859>10 foot 20 inchesthe 20 inches is just his cock
>>742461543Is there any fan-games with this idea?
>>742464852Look at that fuggin snout dude
>>742464852It's one of the closest equivalents. The only difference with old Homestuck pre giga pauses you didn't have to wait a year+ for content and part of the allure was how fast it updated
>>742464878FUCK I forgot to attach the Battat picture.
>>742464773Yet another reason he's best boy.
YURT
>>742464875He warned her away after Chapter 2, his warnings then failed and he had the freak out when he threw the Soul in the trash. He was obviously very upset even before you see the results of it there.
What do you think the bitter tear means?
>>742464881She's a masochist. It's why weird route kris makes her soaked (in the lake).
>>742464881Safe way to break out of her rut, I guess.
>looking for the thread in the catalog>use search>delta>kris>susie>noelle>toby>rals>look for it manually>mfw
>>742464637NTA but you still haven't just answered the anon's question.
I gotta be honest bros, I had no horse in this race but you guys really made me fucking like Kriselle a lot and now I wanna see more of it. Specially replaying it recently and seeing how Noelle reacts the moment Kris shows any signs of affection.
>>742464881Noelle associates fear with a degree of positivity and she is secretly into the dangerous and violent stuff. Behind the nice girl act she is a bit of a weirdo
>>742461543...why is Milklooker spying on them?
Me on the left
>>742464939Do you think Pink was or wasn't into yuri before meeting maddie?
>>742464852It depends. Following homestuck before and after it got popular on tumblr are two different things, while deltarune already had a big fanbase built-in.
>>742464875It underscores that Kris's entire plan is about saving Noelle from the prophecy but now LOVE found its way to The Girl
>>742464959raindrop
>>742461350Stop being a faggot and craving boypussy.
>>742464970Should have bet on rudyknight.
>>742464803I would have preferred the fountain already being there before they were near the store
>>742464881she's a self-insert for trannies
>>742465026That part is obvious, but there has to be more to it. Why is rain water specifically so powerful in the dark world? Why can't Mew Mew say anything about it?
>>742465031This incident is why he never interacts with his own community BTW.
>>742464875>Feels awful post-CH2 for manipulating Noelle and getting her to kill Berdly>Tries his best to help comfort Noelle, saying it was all a dream>All of that goes down the drain as soon the thornring gets put back onyeah, wonder why that would piss him off and make him cry
>>742465023Is this the theory that Kris can save loop and his first save was fucked up beyond all belief?
>>742465031No wonder he pivoted to japan
>>742465063Why? All that would add is the question of who made it, and we already know Kris makes fountains. Why would you want his making this one obscured from you?
BROSWHATIFTHE KNIGHTIS ACTUALLYJUST DARKNESSLIKE RALSEILOL
>>742465096Anon... mew mew is a flower
>>742465119why the fuck he kept the ring knowing about (me)
>>742465031notice how Z0NK stop making that flavor of furshit after Toby called him out
>>742465007me in the middle
Goats are for humans and humans are for goats.
>>742465110only the zonkpunch incident?>>742465135idk the shota goata is just drawn better over there
>>742464984I wasn't a Krisellefag myself until this chapter. They're just too cute, I can't help myself anymore.
>>742465135His nip fans are the only ones who aren't psychos.
>>742465159Kingdom hearts is light
>>742465170>LET ME GO I NEED TO PROCEED
>>742464939this bitch wants to get choked out by asgore in both universes btw
>>742465160...
>>742465023Are we LOVE? I mean we do take the form of a cartoon heart.Could Ramb have been talking to us directly after the time when he was saying luv?
>>742465178>only the zonkpunch incident?That and seeing what happened to Hussie when he got to chummy with his fans.
>>742464875the soul hasn't done anything weird until now and he probably thought the lack of bullshit in ch3 meant he was safe from the doe getting fucked with further
>>742465159That would be gay and lame. Ralsei also isnt the darkness either truly, hes most likely a tree or a network of trees or something similar. Knight also can leave the Dark World
>>742464619Asriel was only that strong when he became the angel by absorbing literally every soul in the underground besides yours. We'll see that kind of thing again but it'll be whoever becomes Deltarune's Angel.
>>742465135That makes no sense at all if he wanted to avoid porn and degenerates in general.
Toby Fucks, PLEASE, even if they can't fully get together, PLEASE, at least let Kris and Noelle ACKNOWLEDGE EACH OTHER'S FEELINGSPLEASEI NEED CLOSURE
>>742465183>Noelle's dad laughs. Carol pulls his ear, and he laughs harder.Imagine the sexo.
>>742465224what are the odds Toby will never attempt to explain what the deal around Ramb was?
>>742464984I feel I used to be a bigger krusiefag when I was younger, and while I still see the appeal, kriselle is just too cute in NR and tragic (and hot) in WR.
>>742464984All the annons getting off the Krusie trai had to go somewhere.
>>742465146because it bothers me and it would be distracting me from playing the gamewould have preferred every dark fountain being made by the knight
>>742465165dumb banter counts as a callout to you????
>>742465242Kriselle is made for doomed love and suicide pacts, sorry.
This guy's art makes me so fucking sad even though it's supposed to be funny.
>>742465178>>742465230Any sane artist distances themselves from their fan base once it gets too big. Otherwise you're sitting on twitter all day arguing with fan theories.
>>742465302
>>742465160>>742465221You will never be a real flower
>>742464380The Knight knows Kris can solo that shit if he needs to.
>>742465242>at least let Kris and Noelle ACKNOWLEDGE EACH OTHER'S FEELINGSOnly after the prophecy has been defeated.
i don't actually understand quantum mechanics but i made this because i thought it was funny
>>742464601I love Flowery. Flowery's a fucking hero and he would never help Kris, who he chastised three times in Chapter 5.
>>742465302Still better than Suselle.
>>742465298never said it was a callout post, just an interesting coincidence. it being banter is a given considering we're talking about Toby 'Radiation' Fox. he's definitely seen his fair share of fans wanting to fuck the shit out of the kids from HS
>>742464881did you miss the talk in chapter 2?
>>742465302Female-coded pairing desu, I expect it to get ten million shitty fanfics now
>>742464852Homestuck was only followed by faggots.
>backpeadeled by the dev award
>>742465405lol
>>742465323
>>742465135japs love kemoshota asrielthat manga where the bear fucks him is great
>>742464909homestuck was a webcomic with lots of bells and whistles though, wasn't it? waiting 1 or more years is brutal but you at least get many hours of video game and all kinds of schizo hidden shit and alternate dialogue options I have to come to these threads to catch
>>742465434>fell for Kris's ruse award
>>742464338that's true enemy approaching is definitely worse than rude buster, but compare the shop themes to undertale's shop theme, or the gentle ambient stuff to quiet water/waterfall. "it's raining somewhere else" was the same kind of song as "i guess i'm in love" but the latter is a million times more forgettable
>>742465427Thanks for reminding me to check where these measure after ch5
>>742465302>suicide pactsBut they survived, though. And it wasn't suicide, but rather the exploitation of a glitch.
>>742465436so how does ralsei take this, what with the whole three heroes thing
>>742464878>I'm once again proven right that Tricky Tony is a real thing as he keeps forcing jabs on shit like Ralsei's hat, or dunking on people who expected FRIEND to be important.yeah the bit about theories this chapter feels a bit hollow when toby has made 5 chapters of vaugeposting
>>742458638Its kris/noelle or both rudy and carol The first one because there need to be a knight in the story, self fulfilment for the legend The second option seem logical
>>742465528It's a metaphorical suicide.
>>742464881yes.
>>742465236Knight is just Dess' bat Rudy carries around
>>742465031>Kid take HIS shoesToby cancelled for not respecting they/them pronouns??
>>742465434>hungover as fuck, disheveled, doesn't even check on Kris until almost nighttime on WR, begs her son for breakfaststill a giant cunt, Sans probably fucked her right there.
>>742464435If the knight is evil then so is Kris. And if their plan was to cause roaring they would have done so long time before.It is really likely that Knight and Kris have some common goal which is not just chaotic evil cause le end of the world.
>>742465434>implying Toriel wasn't peak manipulative alcoholic mom in that scene
>>742465284>when I was younger>mfw I realize underageb&s have been growing up with this shit over the past decade
>>742462107If the idea that Noelle was supposed to be the monster that joins you is true, I have a schizo feeling that the reason Noelle is acting up especially in aborted weird route, is due to her knowing deep down she isn't fulfilling her actual role and she was forced to take another role and that makes her connection to the prophecy all fucked up. That could be why she is so attracted to Susie since she took her role in NR, or why in WR she feels like she is just going through the motions (she was supposed to be on an adventure right now). Maybe the reason Kris is looping too is because Noelle isn't actually suited to be a hero (somewhat like in Madoka, except maybe she is just too inherently bloodthirsty or something?) or it could be the shipfag excuse where Kris really doesn't want to sacrifice Noelle.
>>742465506i understand people writing this. but who the fuck spends their time reading these
>>742465506Fujos remain the most psychotic.
>>742465472I like I guess I'm in Love, probably not as as much It's Raining Somewhere Else, but I don't know if I'd consider them the same kind of song beyond being songs that play during an important dialogue between characters. At that point I think you could say the Weird Route Lake track is the same kind of song and I think I prefer that to either. I agree on shops, though Hip Shop and Shop 3 were still good, I think.
>>742458638>evidence purist>hype purist>dessi don't understand dess hype, she's a non-character right nowat BEST she's a plot device, we know nothing about her besides "oh no this girl went missing" and a few things she liked
>>742465434>he really thought tobe kox was going to assassinate le wholesome goatmom
>>742465506fujostacies i fucking kneel
>>742465543To be fair "I'm gonna clown on you over something I baited you into doing" has been a thing since Undertale.Deltarune only got more obnoxious on that aspect. There wouldn't be as many bizarre theories if he actually told the story earnestly instead of trying to play this game of constantly trying to outdo what you could expect.
>>742465597can guarantee I sent somebody into cardiac arrest when i mentioned my introduction to UT was watching the joel streams in middle school
>>742465632It's LITERALLY teenagers.
>>742465031Frisk is a loli and tweets are NOT canon
>>742465582Chaotic evil or not. Murdering billions by causing the roaring to bring back precious wholesome tomboy is still evil.
>>742465506funny part is i saw several of the drowned fics didn't even have kriselle tagged, some of them JUST had suselle tagged of all thingswas quite amusing to think of someone in middle of watching kris and noelle drown thinking "but how does this affect her relationship with susie?"
>>742465573So Toby forshadowed Suselle being suspicious from the get go
>>742465434>her dialogue implies she routinely gets blackout drunk and Kris makes her toast in the morning while she's hungover
>>742465707why am i still a teen mentally? >_<
>>742465031fem human fags on suicide watch KEK
>>742465172And flowers.
>>742465506> in standard fanfic tag lingo, the / refers to romantic relationships while the & refers to platonic partnerships>while noelle/susie and spamton/tenna are some of the more popular / pairings, their & pairings doesnt even make the listbrutal
>>742465669her church dress is based on ran yakumo ofc he would never let his waifu be bad
>>742464984Not even a Kriselle fag but I wanna play the Noelle version of the game, I miss her quirky commentary from ch2. Somehow she makes this kind of humor bearable and even cute.
>>742465707Yes, teenage girls. And girls in their 20s. And girls in their 30s. and maybe even 40s
>>742465506Didn't realize Krusie lowkey runs this fandom.Kriselle not far behind, and Kralsei putting up respectable numbers despite being an underdog.
>>742465607>shipfag excuse where Kris really doesn't want to sacrifice Noelle.Well, just put yourself in Kris's shoes.Wouldn't you want to save your childhood friend?
>>742465752Toby deleted that tweet while he put Frisk in the girl x girl dating tutorial in the stream so we're winning, actually.
>>742465773Jeez, doefags, why do you get both?
>>742465708>despite mountains of examples of they'ness, Toby always lets slip that he's a boy by accident>zero cases of him calling the characters girlsI would be nicer to you if you would just stop coping so hard about it.
>>742465847Kris & Susie is a friendship tag.
>>742465847I’m surprised Kralsei isn’t more popular. Maybe that gay shit got overrun by the TV.
So is weird route going to brick peoples saves at the end
>>742465653the more i listen to the undertale OST the more convinced i am that it had a kind of immortal charm which is just missing from deltarune, good though the DR ost is. every time there's a song in deltarune with a similar "type" existing in undertale (character theme, ambient theme, emotional moment, shop theme) the undertale one is better (rude buster is the exception). there are a lot more songs in deltarune, but the best are almost all in undertale. it may be partially nostalgia talking about i listen to the snowdin music and it melts my heart like nothing in the deltarune ost does even slightly.
>>742465689The fact there is barely a hook on the end of Chapter 5 and it just ends says it all. WR did more with its execution in 30 minutes to an hour than normal route did with 6-8 hours. That is incredibly shitty even by Toby standards, especially this late.
>>742465920Kris/Susie is still just below Susie/Noelle whereas Susie & Noelle don't even place. Overall the amount of Kris+Susie is dwarfing, isn't it?
>>742465669After his little speech about how he hated Hinawa for being flawless, it's disappointing how much of hypocrite Toby ended up being.
>>742465895Aqua is proof human loli enjoyers are winning, though. Plus that was one deleted tweet. Frisk will always be a girl in my headcanon, keep enjoying your gay shota, though.
>>742465183best moment in the chapter
>>742465860>Toby deleted that tweetLet me tell you about the Streisand Effect.
>>742465940Women aren't attracted femboy fags like ralsei, they want used car salesmen and men with television heads.
>>742465847Most fanfics are about their friendship, not romance.
>>742465472I think the shop themes are better in deltarune, granted that's basically "seam's theme" and multiple re-renditions of the theme from rouxls kaard's shop. But then all the undertale's shops where re-renditions of that tune from snowdin town.I think generally deltarune music comes out as better most of the time. I also don't think it's fair to say "i guess i'm in love" is the same music as . "it's raining somewhere else".
>>742466012Most people don't care about that tweet outside of people that love shota like you.
>>742466006"Kris Dreamer and Noel Hollyday" is my favorite but they're both thermonuclear bombs.
>>742465031What was this in response to? Anyone got a pic?
>>742466101It was fanart of Frisk and Asriel hugging at the flower patch.
>>742466086How much of a delinquent was Dess if she was popular enough to be voted Queen by the town?
>>742465984>I'm gonna bring my new girlfriend into our adventuresReally? That's where the near-end of the story goes? After we had just killed a damn Titan?Maybe there is something amazing from this setup but I just don't buy it now. Regardless, I'm glad I could enjoy a fun filler episode one last time.
>>742466101Frisk hugging pantless Asriel. Maybe Toby called Frisk a he because they were male in that picture.
>>742466001Its harder when its your own mom
>>742466163Truth is, it doesn't matter how shitty Dess was or wasn't. She was Asriel Dreemurr's girlfriend.
>>742465506SpamtonGAWDS...
>>742466005>that etna physiqueI bet she has some cute ribs under the robe
