what ruined shooters?
>>743276873battle royale
That shit. Halo, half life etc drag and drop, spam, assets. Careless and without art or atamosphere. bad controls, no exploration. Repetitive dying canceled out killing others.
Your old age
>>743276873call of duty black ops
>>743276873Consoles
Cheating
>>743276873ADS
Halo 1. Believe it or not but we used to have massive threads on here about how regenerating shields ruined fps games
>>743276873cheatersand more specifically the seasonal FOMO shit and monetization (streaming/tournaments/etc) that incentivizes cheating
Cameras everywhere, modern forensics, and the fact that nobody can keep a secret anymore
Cheating and crossplay
>>743277036Then those uncs neck themselves cause they are old lonely losers with no friends and died to depression
>>743276873esport
Esports.Community tournaments were kino and should've stayed that way. FPS games were made with fun in mind first, now all they're all made with "how can we make this the next big esports fps" in mind.
>>743277121thisfuck 5v5 its the most boring shit ever
The death of gamespy and the birth of matchmaking
>>743277036>>743277082these are the real answers, i'd also add competitive ranking in games that should be casual like mobas or counterstrike
>>743277119This.
>>743277158Everything having to be competitive and balanced ruined CS.To list things that made fps so unfun and sweaty. Competitive format where you can't just leave, small team sizes, stat tracking, balance for competition, a lack of custom maps and of course all the cheaters
predatory monetization and a market oversaturated with options
>>743276873Nothing. Once Descent added 6DOF and Quake added jumping, there was nothing more to add because first person shooting is a limited as fuck genre where the only thing one can do is just staple gimmicks onto it.
Did multiplayer shooters just all die off out of nowhere? Feels like the only big ones atm are R6S, CSGO, and Valorant
>>743277251>Console in discussion of PC multiplayer games>Cheating is the first thing that comes to the topicLike a fucking clown work. No one cheats on PC fps multiplayer games because they get band, simple as. Your invalid control ass is simply trash. Cheating is a phenomenon as long as fucking multiplayer existed and never was a problem. How about you go back to your pacifier box and let real men discuss real problems.
when i was 15 i convinced my mom to let me try homeschool for a year.i literally just played counterstrike every day. one day my brother's friend came over. i had no idea at the time, but he was in some pro-league in cs (higher tier cal or something?)he saw me playing and watched over my shoulder. i got really nervous that someone was watching me and played like shit. after seeing me die twice he just kind of shook his head and walked away.as he walked away i thought, man that was embarrassing but at least he probably doesn't know cs so he doesn't realize how shit i am.
>>743276873Modern graphics. I'm tired of waddling through map filled with literal garbage for the last 10+ years.FPS used to look clean, crisp and it was very pleasant to shoot people in those environment. Now you just look for grey players prone between crush cans, some rubble and trash bags.It's all shit.
>>743277036>Believe it or not but we used to have massive threads on here about how regenerating shields ruined fps gamesMy unc ass dad used to say this and we just put him in a home.
e"sports" and competitive gaming (kek)
>>743276873A full third dimension
>>743276873Greed? FPS has always had a lot of trendsetters and everyone else went following the money by aping whatever was cool at the time while not fully understanding what they were ripping off.
>>743276873Have you tried being positive for once in your life? Are you not bored of being a negative doomer?
>>743276873Mainstream and Kernel Anti Cheat. I hate meta sheeps.
>>743277745Nah, it's just more players dispersed among the growing number of games that come out every year more and more.
>>743278584>nta, but was also there for those threadsGuess it's almost my time huh...
>>743277036decent answerit serves a noble purpose: after a 1v1, you mostly get to reset for the next 1v1. good for a casual game like halobut it removes a lot of nuance from the game, like the efficient trading of damagethe more serious crime is it removes a huge incentive for players to move around the map.regenerating health contributes a LOT to the camping and spawn killing problems
>>743278998someone made a stealth amazing digital circus thread with this subject and i was almost baited into replyingso instead i remade the thread with a more suitable image
>>743276873Graphic realism and the lack of customization, honestly. I can't see shit in nu CS, and I can't install flat graphics. Meanwhile, in Valorant I hate that gay viewmodelAlso, it's not really the devs' or publisher's fault but I hate the lack of amateur tournaments in favor of FOMO and streamer culture shit
>>743277745it's really hard to break into the pvp marketthe bigger the lobby size, the harder it is to maintain a playerbasei feel like we are travelling back in time to when PVP was a bonus feature tacked onto a campaign shooter
Millions of people are playing>CS2>Valorant>Apex>R6>Overwatch>COD Warzone>PUBG>Tarkov>BF6It goes on. There has never been a bigger playerbase for shooters, and more FPS games active at the same time. The kind of shooters that have actually been ruined is unc shit like Quake. Where's the playerbase? All gone. Any attempts at an arena shooter just dies.
CheatersRetarded clamber and press key to dash movementBattle royales
Daily reminder
>>743277073kek
>>743280716thief fucking sucks
>>743276873The ice age!
>>743280772Spelled Fear WRONG
>>743280823Meant to write 'Spelled FEAR wrong' wtf I think I had a stroke
>>743280069>CS2only played by slavs>Valorant/Apexlol>Overwatchdead, reduced to porn generator>Tarkovdead, only played by chuds>BF6dead, drip feeding content, retarded hitreg is still not fixed, forced crossplay when consoleniggers get aimbot tier aim assistteam already working on BF7
>>743280716Reminder that UT2004 still has a bunch of active servers. No one's stopping any of you from actually playing it, but guess what...?
>>743276873xbox
>>743276873awp_indiahome
>>743276873e-sports i remember a time when i thought gears of war ruined shooters by turning everything into a cover shooter, but then cover shooters died and everything became what they are now.people keep saying halo, but the halo franchise itself is dead because the devs trying to chase after the modern e-sports audience killing whatever identity a classic halo shooter had and killing itself in the process.
esports faggotrymeta faggotryrigged matchmakinglack of theming or identity in modern shooters
>>743276973>Careless ... atamospherelike poetry
>>743277034>ADSthis but also damage indicators and health bars above enemies. waypoints. regenerating health
>>743276873killing dedicated servers
>>743280069Pic related does ring half-true to an extent with the general attitude from grognards, but also that modern attempts aren't the greatest. I suppose it's a bit tricky when the potential target audience for these games strip graphics down to the bare minimum or configured for max visibility, there's probably not a ton of room to make these games more mechanically interesting, all the while trying to make them convincing for new blood to try out too.
>>743276873Halo. It's the game that really proved FPS could work on consoles and become hugely popular. Of course it did this by massively dumbing the games down with autoaim, regenerating health(shields) and a 2 weapon limit. CoD continued this by making ADS the standard because casuals are too stupid to both move and shoot at the same time and consoles need a button that slows their aim down because controllers suck for the genre.There's no need to be asking this question. The answer is clear for anyone who didn't start playing video games 2 days ago.
>>743281178I have 250 hours in Quake Champions and spent like 15( international currency like euro or dollar)on it THOUGH
>>743277036A loud minority of quake boomers screeching about how fps games should only be about bunny hopping and popping epic headshots 10 times a second. Probably one of the stupidest temper tantrums in gaming history and not even arguing in good faith, everyone knows those games are hated because they onboarded a ton of casuals not because regenerating shields are inherently bad regardless of implementation
>>743276873the removal and/or hindering of player-owned, modded servers
>>743281296true
>>743281228How is it today? I last played it back in 2018.
>>743281294Quake doesn't have headshots though(inb4 medals)
Aiming Down Sights ruined shooters. Now instead of moving around you instead just hold to aim and slow down. Its so fucking boring
>>743281364It conveys the attitude
>>743281294>you should just pop out and hold left click on a guy to kill him instead of having to worry about positioning, resources, or choice of weapon
are there any older games with gun models /animations as satisfying as the cod4 Deagle?i don't mind older looking stuff too, i just want to play something fun with clean guns
>>743276873global leaderboards, followed by streamers, followed by e-sport crap
Fps games were great, but then DOOM happened in 1993 and it went to shit.
>>743276873Cheaters
>>743280716UT2004 was boring AS FUCKKKKThief games are ass too, they only get saved because of their story.
>>743277036Halo's shields worked great because they only buffered a few shots and gave you a fighting chance if you only had a few bars of health but were good enough to beat the odds.
team fortress 2 is the only good fps game really. the rest are designed for console niggers.
>>743277036>running away from combat for a split second to regenerate shields/hp:(>running away from combat to pick up health and shield items from across the map:O
>>743282484its like 5 seconds to start regenerating, thats not very fast
>>743277036>Believe it or not we used to have massive town halls about how rubbing cow shit on your balls excersied demons just because its old doesnt mean its right anon
whats niggerlicious is stim pack items/abilities that instantly heal you to deny any damage the enemy did
>>743276873Cheating. There is no solution to cheating and you can never tell with certainty whether the other guy is cheating or much better than you.
>>743276873overabundant rng, aka where your bullets randomly go in every direction because "aiming down sights" is present in the game
>>743282638skill issue, aim at center of mass and theres no rng to worry about
>>743282628cheating is easily fixed by giving ban privileges to a white person who has over 110 iq and knows how to spot a cheater
>>743282569like health kits and invincibility powerups you can find in every fps pre 2000s?
>>743282484Not that anon but....>One you can predict the enemies play and ambush them>Health/Armor pickup might not even be up>You can control times and pickups>The other is braindead
>>743282679you need a higher skill floor to have a discussion with medismissed
>>743282717pickups are easily countered if u take 5 seconds to learn where they spawn
>>743282730just kill the enemy before they regen their health
>>743282802>Just kill the enemy before they try to heal!Kinda renders the entire healing discussion moot, doesn't it?
E-Sports.
>>743279020>Kernel Anti CheatThanks to esports.
All shooters have devolved into:> Hyper competitive shooter that appeals to Twitch streamers, esport players and people who don't work an actual job> Super realistic hardcore no fun allowed milsim shooter where the players play this game full time> Doom/ Boomer Shooter game that has a hyper emphasis on movement mechanics and is made by tr00ns for tr00ns and has one of the most insufferable communities online.The death of casual arcade style shooters and arena shooters was a massive part of what killed the genre since you can no longer just boot up your PC/ Xbox and just get a couple of games in an hour or two after work or highschool and enjoy your time playing, everyone now has to play these games like its their job and need to be giga nerds who no-life and optimize out all the fun in the game, other factors that killed shooters:> Engagement Optimized Matchmaking that makes you take longer to get into matches and needs to be as even as possible and not being allowed to have multiple matches of steamrolling> Cheaters that basically remove any sort of competitive integrity or fun because you basically lost the moment they enter a match> Trend Chasing rather than sticking to what makes your games great, especially when every game needed a Battle Royale gamemode because of the success of PUBG and Fortnite> Said earlier, but catering to Esports and Twitch streamers over the casual audience to designing your games.Probably missing 2-3 other big things but yeah.
Consoles
>>743276873modern graphics, loot boxes, esports, open world design, and unreal engine 4 & 5
>>743276873Fully leaning into optimized competitive play is what ruined multiplayer shooters.We can use CS as the prime example. The current state of CS2 has been completely stripped of all soul and creativeness for the sake of optimized & streamlined competition. Maps are stripped of high level details as to not obscure the view of players or offer an unfair advantage/disadvantage to either team. Creativeness is stifled in order to foster the spirit of formulaic, calculated, intentional map design. Fuck you and your map theme, remove any vegetation on your map and paint all the walls a single bright color that contrasts with the player models. Fuck your vertical design, fuck your asymmetric layout, make it another 2x2 grid, single level, optimized-for-competition desert map.Shooters are no longer fun unless you're an unemployed tryhard who grinds the game 14 hours a day. Zoomers who never got to experience how fun non-competitive shooters used to be can't even grasp this concept.>pic related literally peak non-competitive multiplayer shooter fun
>>743276873The de-emphasis of easily accessible servers in favor of matchmaking
>>743276873esports
>>743283286>servers run by troons who ban everybodypass
>>743282628>you can never tell with certainty whether the other guy is cheating or much better than you.Either cheating or smurfing, report. Nothing burger
>>743283034>> Hyper competitive shooter that appeals to Twitch streamers, esport players and people who don't work an actual jobJust because it's a competitive shooter doesn't mean you have to play competitively, you can just goof around and troll and make your teammates seethe>> Super realistic hardcore no fun allowed milsim shooter where the players play this game full timeArma Reforger is THE casual game ehat are you talking about>> Doom/ Boomer Shooter game that has a hyper emphasis on movement mechanics and is made by tr00ns for tr00ns and has one of the most insufferable communities online.Only Ultrakill and Doom Shitternal is like this
>>743283401That update made even Valve's basic servers much less convenient to access and play extensive rounds in.
Alright anon heres the truth on why you will never ever have that og game experience again ready?Every fps is now filled with sweaty meta following drones shaped to fill a 50/50 mold and told voicing any discontent will lead to a comm/perma ban pls buy season pass and latest collab skin. The game has changed and shaped the new community and its shit because the games are shit now. black ops 1 was ported over and you have pro streamers calling it bad because of the lack of "tech" and you also have people upset about the emblems and toxic chat. You could make a new return to form FPS that has everything right and the modern gamer would reject it because they were trained by exec and behavior specialist to extract fun from predatory practices and repetitive instant gratification. Anything but slope will cause withdrawls and pain.
>>743276873streamers, esports, competitive players. Best days were cs1.6 deathrun, war3ft and zombie mod (before it got "enriched" with squealers, op survivors & stupid classes). People were just playing for fun, shooting shit, forming small communities.
>>743283796we are probably 6-12 months away from some deathrun friendslop blowing up and we come full circle
>>743284003sorry wrong pic
>>743282562>shit analogy>excersiedHoly mother of SAAR
>>743276873
>>743283734>Black ops See>>743280716
>>743276873>Dual analog>No mod support>Matchmaking>Corpo servers only with awful tickrates and 5v5 because they don't want to host any more than that>Bad and unreadable visual design>Cooldown abilities>Live service slop, so even the outliers like Tribes drop off the face of the earth due to autism>>743281418Dual analog controllers with single analog control schemes need a way for the player to LARP as if they were using a dual analog control scheme.
>>743284173Trvthnvke
>>743276873matchmakingranked pvpevery game needing magic powers so shitters can have fun too
>>743284321I just like magic powers, it makes game less boring
>>743284181go ahead and ignore everything i said you retarded boomer shooter stroke you cock to the fact no one but you plays real video games everything i said is still true and you are just a faggot sighing at 90s server browser reading 0/16 over and over
/v//v/ killed them
>>743276873CoD killed console shooters.Brown people(eastern euros included) getting widespread computer access ruined PC shooters.
>>743276873Controllers and aim assist
>>743276973Halo is still better than most shooting gamesI mean you got counter strike, team fortress, quake, half life, doom, halo. What the fuck else is there?
>>743277036Nah, the shield is kino and lets you win at low hp if you outplay your enemyThe issue with halo is that it’s too “slow” which is actually just a skill issue, at high levels the game becomes more about map control and the importance of landhing headshots and good positioning.
Two wordsMap Design
>>743284605Didn't read. Play real games
>>743276873consoles
Zoomer. They cant comprehend playing a game for fun. They always have to compete.
Millennials.They abandoned kino like UT for console slop like Call of Mossad
>>743276873Your pic did.
>>743276873At first I thought Halo was the problem, since it was inexplicably popular despite its slow, floaty movement and insistence on only letting you have two guns at once (plus the shitty AI consolefags adamantly defend as "good"), but honestly, I'd play Halo over these brightly coloured retarded hero shooters like Overwatch filled with DEI nonsense and are barely even shooters anymore.I miss the days of Quake and Unreal Tournament. Even Doom has shat the bed recently.
>>743276873Forced matchmakingForced cross playAim assistTwitch cultureCheating growing to be a billion dollar industryMicrotransactionsBattle passesModern devs being gay
>>743276873Nothing.
>>743287536It's worse than that, anon. They are the most FOMO-afflicted group we've ever seen. They need the newest, shiniest thing every week. Thanks to them we're constantly seeing some flavor of the month garbage like RV There Yet and Mecha Chameleon that they obsess over for a week or two before they all collectively sprint for the next one. The zoomers on my steam friends all do this like a hive mind and it's fucking bizarre, in the 90s and 2000s people stuck with the same few multiplayer games for years because they were fun, but zoomers have the attention spans of five year olds addled on too much candy.
Matchmaking.No communities. No familiar faces. Everyone in the same miserable bucket.
>>743287863Why're you describing Millennials collectively playing Call of Duty?
>>743288004Those suck too, but they don't collectively rush to play another CoD every two weeks, do they?
>>743288052>Xhe doesn't know
>>743288081>Has nothing>His ego is too big to concede>"I'll just pretend I have secret information that wins the argument, but I know I'll be called out again if I make something up"You know what, concession accepted, zoomer.
big corps/suits not fixing the game by erradicate the hackers and force players to buy ""remakes"" (see BO2 on pc/consoles)
The genre is very old and is going the way of RTS. There's nothing left to innovate. Battle Royale type modes gave it a shot in the arm but now those are done to death. At least you can still play masterpieces like Quake.
>>743288143Das rite, millennials coincidentally all decided to buy MW, MW2, Black Ops and MW3 not because they were influenced by their friends but because they're connected to the Strogg hivemind
>>743287908God this. I played Counterstrike 1.5, 1.6 and Source a lot. Being able to find a UK server with fellow brits was fantastic. Now in games I am lumped in to the Euro server and have to suffer their accents, which thanks to UK immigration policy I suffer enough in day to day life.
>>743288298Yeah, I've been playing a bunch of UT'99 lately. It's still as much fun as it was back then, and the tiny community still have some neat mods to improve the experience, even if it isn't popular anymore. I do miss it being the Team Fortress 2 of its time though.
>>743287863There's a lot more choice now though remember. When you were a kid you saved up to buy a game and played it to death because you didn't have a constant stream of cheap games.
>>743288378Yes, CoD is released every couple of weeks as we all know. Are you done making yourself look foolish yet, or is your ego so big you'll fight on despite looking like an idiot the whole time?
consoles ruined shooters you can't make a good shooter of you try to make it playable for controllers crossplay is making it 10x worse
basically stopped playing shooters entirely.
>>743288491So why did you rush to every CoD release when you were a teenager as someone who's independent and decides what to buy for himself?
>>743288658I never played that garbage, sorry for fucking over your shit attempt at an argument. Now care to explain why you faggots rush to buy some cheap shitty indie game every few weeks?
>>743288637And that's what ruined shooters in your opinion?
>>743288705>Now care to explain why you faggots rush to buy some cheap shitty indie game every few weeks?I never did? I've never bought a game released from this yearNow explain why your gay nigger friends in high school all rushed in to buy some new 7th gen consoleslop
>>743288772I can't because it's a scenario you made up in your head and never happened. I do like how I called you spergs out and you've spent the last half an hour utterly seething at me. It really shows I struck a nerve.
>>743287689trvk3
>>743288847>It's a scenario you made up in your head, CHUD
>>743284003>>743284040>playing with friends is "slop" now>having friends is "slop" nowits so over. It has never been this over before.
>>743284003Has already happened; I don't think there's one OG genre/niche/game left anymore whose body isn't raped & desecrated by fotm streamerslop. War3ft - hero shooters. Deathrun - shit like picrel. Zombie games are dime a thousand. Giving 3rd world and children access to the Internet was were it went wrong.
>>743288987Doing anything is bad, according to vee.
>>743288970>Anon thinks this happens every two weeks, and not yearlyI already said here >>743288052 that people getting those yearly was dumb. You're yet to make a single coherent point other than raging at me for calling out your FOMO. Accept that you lost this, kid. You're just looking increasingly stupid and angry.
>>743276986100% true for me. but I'd argue that devs of team-based/class-based shooters have tried to include a polygon dev/girlfriend series of classes and I still don't want to play those either so there's more going on. But holy fuck am I also so bad compared to where I was when I was 15.
>>743288987Screeching in microphone for tiktoks together with brainlet followers isn't playing with friends. Back in my day those kind of spastics were permabamned at best, doxxed at worst. >t. Unc who remembers the olden days.
if you cant have fun competing in a videogame you're just low test
>>743279279I member when you literally could not discuss halo here. It was impossible, people would immediately launch into the classic bitchfit about it being babby's first FPS and it being insane to do a FPS aimed primarily at consoles and laughing about auto aim.Okay that last part is still true.
>>743276873>matchmaking>controller autoaim>VOIP always sucking complete ass for some reason>Automated moderation that bans you for saying innocent words>etc>etc
>>743288756FOMO shite, imo.
>>743289076So you admit your generation was full of retarded goycattle?
>>743289208There is absolutely no reason to discuss gaylo. It's just not an interesting game. Do you still talk about playing with colored wooden blocks? No? Same thing.
>>743288987If you buy something and play it once with friends that is the definition of SLOP. Zero staying power.
>>743276873Consoles and their audience.
>>743289245I miss gaylo, and people posting baby play toys and label them controllers.
>>743289208The problem is that Halo is a console shooter and those tend to be made simple because they're going to be played with a controller that doesn't allow for quick movement or aim.Combine this with the floaty movement and two gun limit with the MUH-REENS SEMPER FI story that sounded like a wet dream for the US military and you've got something that PC players are going to laugh at.
>>743277020>>743277048>>743277082>>743279020>>743280657>>743281812>>743282628>Cheatersthis is the only real answer.I used to live for online shooters.Now I won't touch them with a 10 foot pole.Fuck people.Human garbage has prevailed.
>>743283279Too slow.
>>743289229>The guy whose generation buys shitty new games every two weeks thinks he can look down on a generation that bought a new game every yearThis is an exceptionally odd hill for you to die on, anon. I get your "pappy" told you to never back down, but you're looking increasingly silly with every post. Concession accepted, I suppose.
>>743289361https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ_eEI0hTuE
>>743289358I'm convinced all the retards whining ablut cheaters are around Silver in their respective games who don't know how to use cover and flankCheaters are concentrated on the top 10% and 4cucks never make it to that rank cus muh sweats
>>743282730>boomers need more predictable gameplay loop to not shit themselvesxD
>>743289427>Cheaters are concentrated on the top 10%It's a region dependent thing. You'd say different if you had to deal with the chinese menace.
>>743289434Both are predictable. What are you even saying retard-kun?>that man disengaged he will auto heal>that man disengaged he's off to healSame thing.
>>743289380>>The guy whose generation buys shitty new games every two weeksThe only recent games I remember that were that popular even among normalfags are Palworld, Lethal Company, Meccha Chameleon> thinks he can look down on a generation that bought a new game every year>every yearAll of these came out in the same year, on Xbox>Inb4 BF3 is akahually le good
>>743282484>quickloading to restore your health:OOO
>>743289490he wants to play some gay milsim where if you take damage then its permanent
>>743289556A good chunk of those are single player and not low effort indie games bought every few weeks by zoomers. You're so desperate for a "win" here you're trying to shit on millennials because... good games came out on the xbox one year.I really did upset you quite a bit with that post, didn't I?
extremely controversial opinion but unironically TF2
>>743289693titanfall 2 is brown-coded, tf2 is white-coded.
>>743289651>Good gamesSee>>743280716
>>743289737Both suck
>>743289737Titanfall came out long after Valve ruined the entire genre tftranny
>>743289556If War in the North is so great, why can't one buy it?
>>743289779And this helps your argument... how? You've shifted from being mad I called out your FOMO to calling the xbox library slop, and I don't even disagree with the latter for the most part.
The insistence on bland sameness across games by compfags. Not the games themselves.
>>743289693how come? It's a game with no perks, no gimmick shit and last mainstream game to actually have some movement
>>743289839console nigger tears
It wasn't until Boomer Shooters started coming out that I realised what the problem was. Shooters diverged in the early 2000s
>>743276873cheating and esport thinking, are the biggest reasons for me.
>>743289926console niggers cant rocket jump just like they cant make spagetti and meatballs
>>743289926>introduces lootboxes>introduces the hero shooter gimmick>every character now has to be a quirky reddit chungus>insanely homosexual
>>743276873You touching yourself at night
>>743281443But that's not the attitude because it doesn't have headshots
>>743281418cod2 and 4 have ads and they are very fast games in competitive play
>>743289427>Cheaters are concentrated on the top 10%you know nothing
>>743290354top 10% or bottom 5%, the people you think are cheaters are smurfs who also should be banned anyways
>>743290025Where is devil daggers and hyper demon
>>743289427I checked profiles of people that I was suspicious of (both ally and enemy) in my CS games years ago and went back ~5mo later to see if they got banned.I was right on my cheaters 94% of the time, and there was also on average a cheater in 61% of my games (MG+). That was only people I was suspicious of, I imagine there was more people being more subtle whose profiles I didn't put in my spreadsheet that probably bumps the average even higher. I play on US West which I know gets a lot of chinese overflow, but the numbers were still insane, I wasn't even LEM or Global and 3/5 games on average had a cheater (Note, this doesn't mean 3/5 people are cheating, it means at least one player in 3/5 games, which is still enough to ruin the match). I imagine on games like Rust and Tarkov it's even worse where there is way more incentive to cheat because of player loot. Cheaters ruin FPS games more than anything else. Every time there's even an ounce of gameplay that doesn't feel right you have that itch in the back of your head that they might be cheating and it ruins the entire game for you. When I tested this it completely disillusioned me that cheating was a rare thing and I really haven't enjoyed shooters since. My desire to play more and get better completely tanked when I realized that I was probably going to approach a cheater in every lobby as I ranked up.
IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL UNCScod 2 and 4 are still actively played and there are lan tournaments for both popping up regularlycheck out fpschallenge.eu
>>743290025>diversitybrown-coded>no inaccuracyall those games have spread>verticalitytf2 has atleast twice as much verticality as quACKe>duelconsole nigger gamemode
>>743290384>t. zoomie piece of shit who has played shooters for a few years and thinks he is hot shitdo not cite the deep magic to me witch. i was there when it was written.
>>743290325They're fake movement shooters, just like Titanfall or Ultrakill
>>743276873The last good FPS was Enemy Territory.
>>743283734>here's the truth>schizophrenic ramble about how metas were invented by zoomers in <current year> and didn't exist before
head glitching ruined FPS
>>743290551>movement shooterszoomer spotted, you can tell based on five frames if a player knows how to get around in both 2 and 4, it's all strafe jumps like in quake or cs 1.6do you have any homework btw I'll gladly help do a good deed and shit
>>743288404You do know you can treat your depression, paki?
>>743290705I have enough money to enjoy life and live away from the societal decay, but its still sad to see the degeneration.
>>743290756>I have enough moneyGood for you.I have nothing.
>>743290756you voted for it
>>743290664>cs 1.6>Strafe jumpOff yourself Titantroon
TF2 started to die when they began to introduce hats en masse. You had to be there, people would idle in those hat servers for days on end. There was this text based program that would open TF2 in a command box and connect to one of those servers. Later people would get that halo hat if they never used that program. And earbuds, I remember people buying additional copies of TF2 and run them on Linux to get that cosmetic. It was surreal and happened already in 2010 (!!!). If anything it was a huge neon sign for Valve with three dollar signs flashing. Introduce F2P, flood it with thirdies, introduce a million cosmetics and weapons.It was a great game and peaked with the first weapon update, it was all downhill after that. I have a lot of good memories though.
>>743281507Ironically Halo (At least the original trilogy before Reach and 343 slop) has far more in common with classic arena shooters than it does modern FPS games as positioning, map control, spawn knowledge ETC are far more important skills than being able to click on people, anyone saying otherwise simply hasn't played multiplayer in those games enough for their opinions to matter.
Have there been any good singleplayer fps campaigns in the past 10 years?I don't think I've even tried a single one.
>>743290976i wear gibus hat and say nigger in chat
>>743276873Matchmaking is the correct answer. Having to rely on rng to match you up with a bunch of retards turned playing these games a miserable experience. And it's spread to other genres.
>>743283286This.
>>743276873Retards that keep spouting "old good new bad"
>>743291038It's AFPS dumbed down for console babies yes
>>743290937son if you're not baiting I'd legit delete this post if I were you, the whole system of moving around in goldsrc (and by extension in quake and early cods) is based on strafing, the absolute fundamental part of any jump be it regular longjumps, crouchjumps, anything really including ladder jumps are formed around how well you are able to strafehttps://youtu.be/EVYzIsYK69Iyou see those horizontal mouse movements that are there for every single jump input? you have to sync your A D exactly with your mouse to net the longest distance - more (accurate) strafes means you go farther with each jumpthink yours is the most embarrassing post I've seen in a long while, screencapped to post in threads like this from now on, zoomers are FUBAR lol
>>743276873"Realism"Esports
>>743289427Cope. The only functional anti-cheat to ever exist were competent admins on community servers. No anti-cheat software has ever worked at a reasonably good level. Community servers are no more, and why would developers ban cheaters on their own servers, anyway? The people who are willing ot cheat and do everything to win are also likely to be whales in their pay to win rubbish games and cheaters are a great tool to rig the matchmaker to ensure "engagement" (ie: rage-induced addiction). + the top cheaters are also usually content creators and they advertise the game indirectly.
>>743276873Meta progression
>>743291406bunnyhopping was killed in 1.3idk what that video is
>>743278051aw dude, that was your one chance in life to become part of a pr0 team for like 2 years before being forced to work at McDonalds after the team got erased in a tournament !!!!!!!11
bhop is brown-coded
>>743291406"Strafe jumping" was first introduced in Q2 as a nerf to QW movement, the latter which allows unnatural snakelike turns due to air accel. In order to strafe jump you have to press forward which makes it easier but slightly unwieldy compared to QWCPMA is a modified version of QW movementAs a matter of fact, this was one of the defining characteristics of Quake Champions-some characters are able to CPMA while others can strafe jumpCan't speak much for CS/HL bhop, but it's almost identical to QW movement iircNow kys
>>743280069>ValorantI'd rather shoot myself than install a chink rootkit that fries my motherboard and gpu. Fuck Riot, hope they all get cancer and die.
>>743276873matchmakingesportscasualizationCan't remember the last time I played an online shooter.
>>743280716Why is "The Last of us" in that list? That game came out way later than the others.
>>743276873cs was always a shit game for absolute poorfags and niggers who had a white skin but were niggers in their hearth.
>>743281178An arena shooter that wants some success also need a very good single player campaign. It's the same as the RTS problem. Quake 3 was a mistake.
>>743291297dumbing down is a global phenomenon since the Iphone came out, the average console game of the early 2000s had far more nuance in its game mechanics than the kind of slop that releases today on any platform.
>shit game like CS are still thriving>meanwhile games like AvP, UT even something like Evolve are deadWhy?
>>743291719I'm aware of this and that strafes aren't 1:1 between q and cs (defrag playing completely different)kid said there's no strafing in 1.6 which is utterly false, the entire velocity concept is based on strafingthere was a qw lan earlier this year btw did you go? 2's were funI can't speak to champions from what I heard it's a hero shooter>>743292090brand, skin lock-in, network effects, f2p, skin lock-in, streamers, skin lock-in, skin lock-in, skin lock-in, huge esports scene (mom if I play enough I'll be the next top player and earn big buxx from muh vidya!!), skin lock-in, skin lock-in, skin lock-in, f2p on steam
>>743276873matchmaking
>>743292246skin lock-in and streamers didn't exist around that time.
>>743292246When you say "strafe jumping" it means Q3 movement, at least among people playing Champions. Aka holding down forward AND pressing a and d. You can't also wiggle your crosshair in the air to gain speed faster. CPMA allows you to gain speed while regular strafe jumping(pressing w) and from what i heard you lose speed if you press forward in bhopWhich is why I initially suspected you were one of those gay millennials who pretend to be arena shooter fans for internet updoots but have never played Quake, but maybe the term is different for CS players
>>743277036>Halo 1. Believe it or not but we used to have massive threads on here about how regenerating shields ruined fps gamesfor it's time Halo 1 was the best story focused shooter there was and most of the retards who played quake or cs couldn't even afford an Xbox in 2001.
>>743292641AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>743292802post your OG 2001 xbox you have 5 minutes.
>>743291896>An arena shooter that wants some success also need a very good single player campaignDoom (2016) that you guys were literally praising a few days ago has multiplayer. But guess what....?>But it's not arena shooterYou're not a real woman eitherYou also not a real woman
>>743277034God I hate that trash and it's everywhere. Keep it in milsims where it makes some sense but it can fuck right off from regular fps games.
>>743293049>arena shooter See>>743290025
>>743292893like I said the only people who hate and hated on Halo 1 are poorfags.
>>743292536I'm 30 so think it's millennial, fundamentally the concept for gaining velocity is the same in both q3 and 1.6 even if mechanically the method is wholly different, and yes if you press forward you lose velo, in kreedz more generally if there's air time at all you don't press forward everalso it's not wiggling it has to be synced to your A and D otherwise you don't get velocity at all (hence strafing)>>743292308did you mean 1.6 or GO/2? for 1.6 it was cheap and conceptually simple, you cycle the same 3 weapons, easy to get in hard to be solid, also the social component in finding a team, playing tourneys etc and a million other gamemodes (like kz)afps are more difficult there's no doubt about it, the weapon variety, item pick up timings, map control, can go on and that the most "prestigious" mode is duels meaning no one to blame if you lose - it's hard to get into those let alone be goodbtw ut99 is seeing somewhat of a resurgence right now head to oldunreal.com
>>743293049Doom 2016 multiplayer was godawful. They put zero effort into that shit. Everyone expected the game to flop after they did the multiplayer demo. The ratings on Steam were all negative.
>>743293191>for 1.6 it was cheap and conceptually simpleimo 1.6 only got popular because every retard could play it. It didn't require a good PC.
>>743293191>wiggling it has to be synced to your A and DI mean doing it while airborne, between jumps instead of so instead of>left jump right jump left jump left jump>left right left jump right left right left jump etc.
>>743276873Halo is where the the fate of shooters branched off. Halo was good, but the damage it did to dumbing down the genre over time is immense.I give Goldeneye a pass even though you could make a similar argument against it. It did a lot of good for single player shooters at the very least.
>>743293612>but the damage it did to dumbing down the genre over time is immense.>NOOOOOOOO EVERY GAME NEEDS TO BE COMP SLOP HOW DARE YOU MAKE A STORY FOCUSED SHOOTER WITH WIDE VARIETY OF GAMEPLAY OPTIONSkill yourself.
>>743293264yeah cheap and easy to get into but it took a couple thousand hours to get really good (like lan good), I remember the average playtime of people going on their first regional lans would be 1100 to 1200 hours or so and that's for regional, high skilled people would be 1900 and up then you have preinvite / invite but that's basically teams that would go to WCG and shitfor afps I know my friends would bounce off of cause it took a lot of effort to be somewhat average let alone good so a hurdle like that from the get-go dissuades a lot of people and it caters to a different crowd that is substantially fewer in numbers
>>743276873Steam and matchmaking
>>743276873broccoli hair zoomers and low iq browns
>>743276873awp_india is kino
>>743294075aim_crazyjump3 was my fav
>>743293828Not every game needs to be comp slop.The only meaningful mechanical changes to shooters since halo is fucking hero abilities. Progress stopped in shooters years ago
>>743276873gay niggas
>>743295168>since haloso the game that ruined fps forever>hero abilitiesfuck off with your moba shit
>>743290014can't realistically call classes heroes though, is Battlefield a hero shooter?
I miss UT. You know what, I never did play the original Unreal, I was filtered by the spongey enemies. I'm going to actually play through it now.
>>743289423I miss Tribes 1 with that mod where if you touched the ground you exploded and all combat and actions were done on craft or jetpack on platforms. TAC / TAC1
>>743290976stout shako for 3 refined is when I knew that the game is now truly dead
>>743276873>what ruined shooters?compfags and the shift from arena to tactical to movement shooters. Boomer shooters have revived the arena thanks to doom 2016 and brutal doom but only as single-player experiences.
>>743291803Kek seething tranny
>>743276873Compfag focus built into the game instead of letting the community build their own competitive leagues. This is for CS2/CSGO. Also:>Less focus on dedicated servers with fun game modes>Hardware aim assist>Adderall/Ritalin abuse>Less arcade feeling shooters overall
>>743294108cant beat the classic aim_map
>>743297079
Death of objective based team shooters like natural selection 2, quake wars enemy territories, Battlebit, ect. Tired of shitty 6v6 shooters like overwatch flooding the market
>>743292090tbf, avp2 was already mostly dead when they shut down the master server. I played from launch to death, and the player count was always lower, but more dedicated. It really was a niche game, but anyone you met in the game was pretty much already your friend due to being in a niche game. I made so many online friends during the prime years of avp2, and we played all kinds of games outside of it. Dedicated servers combined with the open nature of forums behind it made for a great gaming community. If you were playing an an aliens movie came on fx or some other movie channel, it was like a holiday in-game as everyone was watching it together.I 'member stagger-fire/sniper double-shotting exploits being a huge point of drama in the community. For me, it was old-school survivor servers with class weapons turned off marines/corps surviving and aliens being the mutate. Favorite survivor maps were outpost and verloc.
>>743278756>posts Doom running with GZDoom, a source port that converts the game to proper 3D and most modern mods require
>>743276873nothing? real answer is always online but that goes for all games really
>>743276873matchmaking, skill based matchmakingretvrn to dedicated servers
>>743295384You seem to have grossly misread the point of my post. I'm shitting on both of those things and blaming Halo for the stagnation of the genre.Try reading up the reply chain a little bit next time
>>743276873Almost every shooters is hitscan slop now.Fighing with and against rocket launchers or flak canons is better.TF2 has hitscan but they are confined to close range thanks to the decision of having fall-off (except Sniper which is why it is objectively a cancerous class).Projectile heroes in OW feel fairer.
>>743276873Shooters focusing less on the shooting and more on being other genres like RPGs and Mobas.That and your work horse weapon of choice going from the Shotgun to Assault Rifle. This turning the core of shooters from being close ranged, on your toes, gratifying shooting to spray first at a medium range and track a slow moving target.Like look at TF2. People still play it nearly 20 years, more than other modern FPS that are also free play, and it’s because only a few weapons are automatic, and only 2 of them are good and one of them is good because of a function that isn’t automatic. In contrast to OW2 which has a bunch of weapons that fire automatically.
>>743298438>retvrn to dedicated serversWill never happen.3 years later and valve STILL HASN'T added an in-game server browser to CS2, at this rate they might as well just cull it to funnel every retard still playing that shit into the cancer that is Premier.
>>743298835every weapon in Tf2 except the huntsman is automatic
>>743298945You CAN hold down the fire button and still fire without releasing, but I’m talking about weapons like SMG or Syringe Gun with a high fire rate and each bullet having low damage.No one would call any of the shotguns or explosives automatic with their firerates being significantly slower
>>743298438Matchmaking servers run on dedicated servers you tech illiterate retard.
>>743289358>Human garbage has prevailed.You mean chinks and pajeets
Shit netcode ruined FPS. The fact that I have to change my playstyle because some third worlder has 100ms ping is fucking retarded.There should be prediction and rollback up until 48ms. If your ping is higher than this you should be at a disadvantage. There are indie FPS games that have solved this, but AAA studios won't simply because it requires compute on the server.
>>743300160>Shit netcode ruined FPS. The fact that I have to change my playstyle because some third worlder has 100ms ping is fucking retarded.>There should be prediction and rollback up until 48ms. If your ping is higher than this you should be at a disadvantage. >There are indie FPS games that have solved this, but AAA studios won't simply because it requires compute on the server.Counter Strike is one of the biggest offenders here because it has gotten even worse, despite demanding an even better connection (runs like shit on 20 ping with constant damage prediction issues) valve still refuses to do anything over 64 tick so you're getting cucked on both ends.
>>743300160Stopped playing cs2 because of this. CSGO didn't have this problem. I guess valve's primary goal is to get third worlders gambling on crates.
>>743298438>retvrn to dedicated serversWhat's stopping you from playing it?
>>743300770name any match-based games that have dedicated servers and were released in the last 5 years with a gaming population of over, well.. let's say 2000 concurrent players. The only few I can think of would be Arma Reforger and maybe Hell Let Loose. There are no games like CS that are popular enough to have an active player base and dedicated servers released in the last 5 years. Would love to be proven wrong.Dedicated servers still seem to be alive with sandbox type games though.
>>743276873esports and professional competitions
>>743300643Nowadays even shitholes have good internet connection. There's absolutely no justifiable reason for it to be so bad.
>>743301078>and were released in the last 5 yearsNew shooters are all shit, just go play CSS or TF2.
>>743290481>tf2 has atleast twice as much verticality as quACKeand yet 99% of players just run on ground with aimbot
>>743276873microsoft. they bought up all the talent and then fucked them over and sold out to a bunch of indians.
>>743301609I haven't seen a spinbot in the last 2 years.
>>743300643CSGO did have this problem.
>>743301435You broke my heart, bro. I was really hoping you had some recommendations.
>>743301945Whatever problems CSGO had were at least 3000 times better than CS2. The game is absolute 100% bs. Playing with less than 5ms ping is a joke. When you pull the trigger, you see multiple bullets hit the enemy (and know in CSGO you would've gotten the kill), then you die .5 seconds later to a single shot ingame, then the readout says you were hit 5 times, and only dinged them 1 time (for 95% damage, none-the-less).Let's not forget that CS2 is has less content than CSGO, and that you can't even PLAY CSGO anymore. You were forced into a CS2 upgrade even if you originally paid for CSGO.
>>743276873xbox dudebros
>>743302236>(for 95% damage, none-the-less)They actually nerfed the rifles damage by 1 point or something stupid like that.Why? Who knows.And despite CS2 being rushed to compete with the new Valorant, they still couldn't fucking bother using anything above 64 ticks
>>743276873the military industrial complex and their incest ant need to bomb brown people while telling you "don't be racist"
>>743302236>Whatever problems CSGO had were at least 3000 times better than CS2.It's the exact same shit netcode all iterations of CS (and valve games in general) have had. Valve put in 'subtick' but all that does is help sort packets better. The total simulations per second is exactly the same. >>743302409You can have LAN-like netcode online, it's been done in a number of other FPS, but it requires compute. Upping the tick rate adds temporal resolution, but there are far better solutions.
Loss of a server browser being the main way to find lobbies
>Loss of a server browser being the main way to find lobbies
>>743276873the very game you postedhttps://youtu.be/ddHNmMbA_C8&t=317
>>743302409Nta but I was trying out CS2 last week after not having played CSGO since 2018 (I prefer CS:S) I was shocked that they are still using a sub 70 tickrate for official servers, especially competitive. I don't ever remember playing on anything other than a 100 tick rate server when I played in CEVO for CS:S
>>743303024I looked it up and even Valorant has 128 tick servers.
>>743276873matchmaking instead of lobby browsers. everything else is just a consequence of the push toward matchmaking and engagement maxxing.
There's nothing wrong with matchmaking.
>>743276873CHEATERS/thread
>>743302817It's not the same. Yes, lag exists in all video games. You can't compensate for physical reality. CS2 has some kind of weird artificial lag compensation like it's trying to give out lag equity to players with higher pings, while punishing god-tier fibre internet havers. 70+ ping players on a 20-30 average ping server should not be top-fragging, ever.
When they stopped being released like this.>here's our game, here's the server hosting tools, have fun!The matchmaking that replaced it eventually led to the cheat infested compslop that every shooty bangbang game wants to be today.
>>743303165Matchmaking is fine when it's basically just a "quick play" button. Matchmaking is not fine when that's is the intended and primary way to play. And really the underlying issue is that they just take away private server hosting so there's no point in anything anyways. People want to have both, but companies are far more controlling (and soulless) than ever before so the idea of letting you host your own server is something they want to be made illegal.
>>743303165There should be both, private servers for goofing and modding and ranked
>>743276986The gamer wall is very real.
>>743276873tf2 with f2p and hatsmw2 with matchmaking
We got older.Also a hot take from your truly, firing guns at a gun-range IRL made me less interested in playing shootan video games. Becoming more aware of gun-violence IRL and in the news make depictions of gun violence in video games less tantalizing. Becoming more aware of politics and history make military-sim and dude-bro style shooters repulsive.
>>743306113MYM ruined TF2 more than F2P ever could. The worst thing about F2P was bringing in new blood, big whoop.
>>743302932i really miss the way movement worked in goldsrc
>>743304281>It's not the same. It's the same.>Yes, lag exists in all video games.No, it doesn't.>You can't compensate for physical reality.Yes you can.>CS2 has some kind of weird artificial lag compensation like it's trying to give out lag equity to players with higher pingsNo, CS has always used server authoritative netcode. It's extremely primitive.>70+ ping players on a 20-30 average ping server should not be top-fragging, ever.I agree. With rollback this wouldn't be the case. But CS has never had rollback.
>>743288987People call it slop because the games kinda suck if it wasn't for you playing with your friends.But secretly the games sucking is part of what makes it good.It's like playing catch, the game is boring and simple but the purpose of catch is to cause conversation and fun moments to happen. Friendslop plays into that.
>>743288987>it's ONLY fun with friends>it's ONLY fun online>it's popular because [streamer] got a game key with [other streamer]>it's a wonder-like gameLMAOI miss when hoard shooters were the "friendslop", at least those had single player campaigns and gameplay beyond walking around shit acting like a retard.
>>743306273>started playing after mann-conomysorry you missed out on the era when people played it for the game itself and not to collect and trade hats
>>743289427A simple return to community hosted servers with active admins would solve both the cheating and the sweat problem.
>>743307796>Played when FaN, Loch n Load, Puff N Stingy, Amby Spy and Sandman were goodKeep your fake faggot pity, Orange-Box boomers are the biggest faggot posers alive. If you were really cool and old you'd suck off TF1 or Quake.
>>743307796TF2 is the best its ever been and there isn't a single valid argument against lootboxes TF2's lootboxes.
>>743307653t. friendless
>>743308859Quickplay needs to comebackand the Settings needs an overhaul.If you played any other Source game after, you'd want search-able settings and custom crosshairs too (outside of manually putting in HUD dependent ones).
>>743276873Aim Assist
>>743276873Normies and most things that happened from 2001 and beyond.Also, the current Captcha is a humiliation ritual beyond description.
>>743288987Please note that "friendslop" actually means "streamerslop". Most of these games are legitimately fun with friends for the average gamer, but they just get blown way out of proportion by the streaming sphere of influence.
>>743276873counter strike
>>743308859>there isn't a single valid argument against lootboxes TF2's lootboxes.Some boxes contain one of the most godawful hats I've ever seen. It literally wouldn't cost anything to have an actual (non retarded) human pick ones that look decent, it's something you do in an afternoon 3 times a year for fucks sake
>>7432768735v5 tryhard competitive modes becoming the focus.
>>743276873People mindlessly giving corpos money for absolute shit remake of the same video game. These people are beyond retarded, they cannot think for themselves and ruin literally everything by just being absolutely retarded consoomers. This is why video games are all soulless slop now.
>>743276873Schools getting in their paths.
>>743276960fpbp
>>743309021>Quickplay needs to comebackAbsolutely not. Fuck getting added to skial shitservers with adverts and cancer mods.
>>743276873people like shroud
>>743290616>retard thinks the ramble is about metas and not the fact that companies trained the perfect consumerngmi
>>743309760There needs to be a middle ground, because community servers are already dying as an alternative to Casual outside of stimming-playgrounds, and no one plays Competitive.Even black-listing on browser should solve that problem.
>>743309870normalfags are born perfectly obedient so he's wrong about that too
>>743309893There's nothing wrong with the official valve servers. People like playing with an official ruleset with some consistency. Community servers don't have that.
>>743310035The only rule is 12 v 12. you still have random crits, random spread, and worse scrambling/matchmaking, and no ad hoc connecting. MYM was broken for weeks at the start and no one could play, and that's pre-dating the bot problem which still presists a little bit right now.I took this screen shot last week, any Dustbowl server was ruined for a second. That said, there's also map bloat.
>>743302236CS2 has problems, but the hitreg issues were solved (along with movement). Launch window CS2 was an absolute shitshow though, you are absolutely correct on that.
>>743276873I still don't get how anybody enjoys cs>tries to be realism but the guns are complete unrealistic shit>movement feels like shit>random spray >random shooting patternslike the game is made for retarded third world slavs.
>>743299625you're a fucking idiot
>>743310295>map bloatRight now it's a bigger deal than bots.There's no fucking way this game is over 30 gigs
>>743276873Competetive matchmaking, mmr and esports.
>>743310852Oh if you wanna talk bloat, we just got another fucking dozen or so unusuals and weapon skins (doesn't help the former are mostly reused effects).I miss when it was just flames or the spinning TF logo, now everyone has flying reindeer, raining daggers, and fucking thunder clouds with rain and lighting over their heads. Makes headshotting and spotting easier, but it looks worse than the most in your face lime Scout imo.I have effect fatigue, in fact fuck all unusuals, I miss when it was just ear-bud effects.
Emphasis on story.
>>743277036Wrong. Tribes has always had regenerating shields since 1998. Halo having shields has nothing to do with the decline of FPS. Old threads always covered the rise of aim assistance and hit scan vs projectile shooting. Then you have the debate over actual movement mechanics, being that Halo was just slow as fuck.
>>743311292>'interactive' cut-scenes>gameplay deviations to service story beats>turret section>vehicle escort missions/turret sections>snipers are the toughest enemies>Screen goes red when damaged>+ blood splatter effects>"You Lost" [Team-mate] died>Boss fights are generator shooting galleries>No air strafe allowed>No fast running speed outside of sprint allowed>No long periods of sprinting without a stam meter/oh inhaling sound-bytes allowedForever make fun of dudebros, only thing they had going that was interesting was OG Zombies in CoD.
>>743311595Also I'll add the obvious, thanks Half-Life...
>>743280716>boomer vs unc
You either go the Counter Strike route or you go the ADHD spasm route. Both are bad.
>>743276873halo and auto aim controllers
>>743276873Aim Down Sights
>>743276873The death of classic shooters.
>>743312426bait
>>743312426There's countless greenlit GZDoom/Build games still being made right now.
>>743276873>what ruined shooters?in no order>n00bs>cry babies>bitches>no ability to make your own server>gambling >no sprays>no ability to make your own avatar with sounds (Quake 2 bros anyone out there these days?) >fags with no sense of humour shit like that mostly
>>743277036Healer roles are a worse cancer honestly.
>>743276873controller aimbotskill based match makingno more dedicated servers making communities impossible
>>743313270>no more dedicated servers making communities impossible>hacker comes along >you txt server owner>2 minutes later he gets banned>everyone keeps playing
>>743290025>titanfall seetheguarantee the arenaniggers couldn't into the movement and got filtered
>>743276986>>743306057Day of Defeat is full of older gamers and almost all of the servers have rules specifically in place to combat the reaction time issues they have now.>>743314365I've had more experiences where an admin gets mad that someone killed them and kicks them.
>>743289014this is NOT deathrun. its an obby. completely different
>>743288987its the name of the genre just like roguelike or incremental
Uncs still talking to each other lmao
>>743315602>I've had more experiences where an admin gets mad that someone killed them and kicks them.not in my day, everyone would just leave or create their own server and fuck that guy
>>743313270>no more dedicated servers making communities impossibleBut anon, if people run dedicated servers, they don't need the company to have fun! They might do things like install custom maps and gamemodes and skins we could be charging them for! Or even moderating their servers more permissively than we would want to! Or even running their own tournaments and community events that we're uninvolved in and don't get any money from! Think of the corporations, anon!
>>743316439don't worry zoom, your time will come
>>743317521why are you posting a pic of yourself? this isn't instagram
>>74328071640 year olds need to fuck off at this point and just remove themselves from game discussion. You don't offer any interesting opinions. >game released in 2004 is a REAL game and le good because it came out when I was youngFuck off
>>743316031the only difference is that in deathrun you have a guy triggering the traps
>>743281321Dead because a poojeeta fired the only guy working on it before he could implement private servers.
>Experienced 5th gen, lived long enough to be able to emulate 7th and a bit of 8th genLmao, idk about you guys but the future present is pretty neat. Love being a '97 zoomer.
>>743318183>game released in 2004 is a REAL game and le good because it came out when I was youngthat's right
>>743280716Wolfenstein enemy territory still has active servers btw
>>743276873I kinda miss arena shooters.
>cs and tf2 turned into online casinos for 3rd world children>call of duty got too lazy and greedy with yearly releases and too fast gameplay >bf went woke, got broke and barely saved the franchise with a boring and safe modern day title >battle royale suck>extraction shooters can be okayi hope wardogs will be good
>>743318403Not a valid argument and it just makes you look pathetic. Go start a family or something unc
>>743315602DoD is one of those games that will only die once it's player base does
Can someone tell me why Combat Evolved is considered a masterpiece? It's mediocre. And no, I'm not comparing it to newer games, I'm comparing to games older than it like Half-Life (I know Xen sucks but so does the second half of Combat Evolved, especially the library). Even the first Marathon is better.
>>743318727>Not a valid argumentAre you a woman? Legit question because you argue like a bitch.
>>743318403>Suicide rate spikes in 2004Wait a minute
>>743276873gaylo
>>743318403Suicide rates went up cause of virginity rates increasing, not cause of video games retard
>>743318821It was a ground breaking console game for it's time.
>>743318821>Even the first Marathon is better.Imagine being this contrarian, and no half life isnt better
>>743318821It was never good, people clowned on it since day 1. But I guess it is masterpiece when you're 12 years old and mommy just bought you a xbox and it's the only game you have.
>>743319165Are we forgetting so it was nothing special to PC players I assume.>>743319221I don't recall Marathon or Half-Life recycling levels and having copy pasted rooms and corridors.
>>743319408I should really proofread my posts.
>>743319042suicide rates went up because of smartpones
>>743280069>NONE of those garbage """games""" are self hosted and moddableThere's your answer OP. Zoomgroids never even witnessed the era of actual shooters. They unironically think that live service goyslop riddled with rootkit spyware and gambling scams has anything to do with FPS genre, lmao. They don't even know what a dedicated server is, their whole life is controlled by corporate cancer algorithms from matchmaking to their tik-tak video feed and even search results.
>>743319408Halo had cool vehicles though while Half Life only had one train segment which no one liked
>>743276960BR are dwindling though, the only game that keeps growing is csgo.
>>743319632No it didn't, it was cause of virginity rates going from 8% to 33%
>>743280890A lot of good old FPS games do.
>>743315602>I've had more experiences where an admin gets mad that someone killed them and kicks them.literally never happened to me, not in tf2, not in custom cod2 servers, or mw servers, not even in iw4xmaybe you're just a fag that insulted the admin
>>743276873Esports
>>743319778Having vehicles doesn't excuse the game from being made up of recycled assets. I sure do love samey corridors and rooms, and returning to old levels. How could I forget going back to an old level, but this time it's night time? Revolutionary.
>>743320010But its ok Half life and marathon have recycled assets right
>>743319310The story was novel and cool, and the setting was next-level even by today's standards. The sp gameplay was cool because the npc's actually used tactics and flanked, making replayability decent. Higher difficulties added more enemies, not just bullet sponges. And the whole thing was coop.But the real reason halo ce was the shit, was because you could hook up 2 xboxs and 4v4 with your friends, and you could customize shit like turning off the radar, turning off shields, human weapons only, etc. For couch coop, that shit was s-tier.
>>743279020Kek. Reminds me how nu-shitterfield fags shilled their new kernel level "anti-cheat" spyware, to the point that they called everyone who opposes it a cheater, only to immediately start a cheater accusation drama with some random stream on the very fucking day of release. And nobody even questioned how is it even possible then and what was the point. This is like gigagoyum levels of sheeple.
>>743319310Fun fact: Halo was only ever popular in the US and nowhere else.
>>743320232Kino picture zoomers will never have this
>>743320182I meant recycling old levels and having samey looking rooms. A good example is assault on the control room I believe, where the SAME room is recycled multiple times. And later on you go back, but this time at night. You seriously never noticed the identical rooms and corridors in the game? Or the fact that you go back to earlier levels?
>>743320010The corridors and rooms are fun though. You can spam grenades and watch the aliens go flying. Mastr chief is also way more cool and badass a character than le science man.
>>743320313That applies to Xbox in general.
>>743281294Quake doesn't even have headshots, retard and they were absolutely right.>b-but m-muh...Now every single """shooter""" is a copy paste of the same casual garbage formula with exact same mechanics, ADS, hit indicator, overloaded UI etc etc. And even the same shooter IP just release the exact same copy pasted goyslop clone every year. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
>>743276960it was way dead before thatesports/streamers is the correct answer
>>743320528I don't see any fun in going through corridors and rooms that look exactly the same. Master Chief is also a generic super soldier whereas Gordon is just a scientist fighting through Black Mesa against all odds and still coming out on top. Much cooler than Halo.
>>743320494>I meant recycling old levels and having samey looking roomsOk so why is this fine for half life and marathon
>>743320494>I meant recycling old levels and having samey looking roomsAre you stupid that's the games story.
>>743291042 Bulletstorm.
>>743311081I miss when cosmetics weren't a thing at all.
>>743278673
>>743320315Some barcades (uggh, I know, I know, it's a PORTMANTEAU of bar and arcade..!) have modded xbox's setup for 4v4 halo, worth checking out if you like that old-school vibe.
>>743319752i used to play quake and unreal tournamentbut i prefer modern games because players take these games more seriouslyunreal tournament 2004 was a party game full of mods and almost nobody played the vanilla modesquake live most popular mode is clan arena and clan arena is not a serious mode
>>743276873Streaming revenue. >how do i put minimal effort and get big money ? buy an aimbot
>>743287536None of the zoomer games are about competition. It's a mindless junk where everything is managed by engagement algorithms.
>>743320590>casualquake is a casual game
>>743320945That's an absolute bullshit. The skill ceiling of old arena shooter vs any modern casual baby fps isn't even comparable. If you ever played quak3 against a pro player, no matter how good you are, you won't even be able to scratch him, meanwhile you can easily win against pro players in casual shit like cs1.6, just by being lucky with a grenade throw or a headshot. Those games are designed to be casual baby friendly with as less complex mechanics as possible. You literally cannot take modern slop seriously.
>>743320945ca is the best mode in arena shooters you faggot if Id focused on ca quake would still be alive.
>>743321286what?rapha is the greatest quake player of all time and he is a washed overwatch playeroverwatch was too much for him
>>743276873reloading
>>743320706Half-Life and Marathon don't do that.>>743320739Then the game's story sucks too.>We don't have enough time to make new levels!>Uhhhhh fuck it we'll just reuse old levels and make the story reflect that
>>743321467>if Id focused on ca quake would still be alive.ha ha hayou are a funny guy
>>743321049Lol. If you show even the casual baby trash like cs 1.6 to the moden zoomer, he will call it a hardcore boomer shooter and won't be able to play it because there are no markers, minimap is impossible to read for zoomer brain and the cursor doesn't show where the bullets fly. It WAS a casual game at some point in time, but it's been decades since then.
>>743277036unc is still so mad about a videogame that came out 25 years ago he cant even form a coherent sentence
>>743321485You need to be completely braindead to think a literal ASSFAGGOTS cancer like overshit has any skill depth. You obviously never even touched arena shooters.
>>7432768731: consoles2:money3: cheaters4: shit like Halo and Cod popularizing the genre.
>>743321609>overshit has any skill depthtell that to raphahe accused everyone of cheatinghis aim was not good enough for overwatch
>>7432768735v5s becoming mainstream instead of server-based lobbies of 40-150
>>743298884Lol wtf?! How do they even play stuff like surf maps and all the custom maps?
>>743321734I'm telling that to you, because no sane person would unironically play casual baby ASSFAGGOTS in fps form.
>>743276873I'll tell you what, all the damn autists banning people they perceive to be of lower skill. The smaller communities? The Assaultcube mods love to forge evidence to ban people randomly to stay small. These demos usually mysteriously include a subnet mask on public IPs. I imagine that's the modus operandi around those communities.
>>743321591When I was 18-30 I didn't even think about older gen's. Nothin' but gamin', smashin', hangin', and livin' life. Can't imagine never moving out.
>>743321739This one is because consoles. Also it's already 3v3 now, lmao.
>>743321868>because no sane person would unironically play casual baby ASSFAGGOTS in fps form.rapha the best quake player of all time tried to play professional overwatch and he FAILED
>>743321930no i fucked up and replied to the wrong post. meant to reply to this guy: >>743276973
>>7433220523-player lobbies fucking killed my gaming group in retrospect. Modern gaming sucks dicks.
>>743322062How does any of that irrelevant made up bullshit change the fact that it's a console garbage ASSFAGGOTS made for literal babies? Just how underage you need to be to actually defend a fucking overshit of all things.
>>743322317are you stupid or something?there has never been a professional quake player who succeeded in another FPS game, but there has been a counter-strike player who succeeded in Quakeraisy used to be a counter strike player before playing quakeeso mata tu argumento de que los arena shooters requieran mas habilidad que los juegos fps actualesthat kills your argument that arena shooters require more skill than current FPS games
>>743322615>b-but muh literally who argumentSorry, I don't speak macaco and I don't play ASFAGGOTS cancer for thirdies.>unironically playing baby strike garbageAhahah, lmao.
>>743276873consolesfps used to be fast paced, complex, and require precision. used to have large scale games toobut you cant put all that on a controller, so many bandaids had to be applied just to get the genre to work, but you still cant get the same speed or complexity because a joystick is not amouse and your controller doesnt have as many buttons as a keyboard. old consoles could handle more than 4v4, and in modern day they dont get much larger for non battle royales because every thing is matchmaking focused instead of drop in / drop out. once FPS started being developed for console first i never really returned to the genre
>>743276873Lack of shit talking. Everyone is so eager to report people instead of retaliate.
>>743281870>they only get saved because of their story.what did he mean by this
>>743321801Average CS2 nigger doesn't even know what a community server, they couldn't care less, after all, why would you play the game if you don't want to farm elo in premier and pretend you're le pro gaymer?
>>743318929Your reply was literally>I am right because I just am okay with a pic of some gay infographic. Thats what women do lil nigga
>>743276873Shit devs who don't understand anything that gamers enjoy have taken gaming backwards in many respects.The small things like windows, bottles, televisions, crates, fences that break when you shoot them are completely missing from many modern titles and make games feel very dull.
>>743324216>still thousands of community servers, but most are fucking deathmatchhow many fucking dm servers do you need? i miss all the cool modes from css. 0 hide and seek servers, like 2 zombie servers, loads of russian casual servers where they put you on spectate and tell you to prove you aren't cheating(obviously trying to scam because they are scum)
>>743325271Even if they bring back the server browser I'd still be 80% mirage/dust 2 FFA/Retake warmup shit because it's all the new players care about
>>743325379yea even in csgo most of them were dm, fucking boring
>>743321510>Half-Life and Marathon don't do thatThey do
Uncs STILL seething they lost their edge and cant keep up
>>743326046Show me where.
>>743326097i was never that good at shooters.i can get on the scoreboard in madhouse at least
This is pretty late in the thread but I can't help but feel that the homogenization of online FPS community and the overabundance of third worlders do play a huge part in why modern FPS gaming is shit.You don't need to behave yourself when you get matched with random players and therefore have no choice regarding who you'll be playing with.
>>743276873"Professional" e-sportsRankedBattleroyaleHero shootersConsole stick aimingCounter-strike
>>743276873brown & bloom
>>743276873cheaters
headshots
>>743276873Counterstrike
>>743320236There were already cheaters during the beta weekend.
>>743276873The fact that apex, fortnite, call of duty and almost every "new" shooter is made with cross play in mind, but the shareholders can't lose money from PS5 little timmySo they introduce blatant aim bot disguised as aim assist, and you are forced to clock another 100 hours into aim lab just to compete with that shitshow
>>743328641thats just wireframe, not even any cheats
>>743330102yeah you can casually enable wireframe mode in a public server, just type sv_cheats 1 lolretard
Shooters are not ruined. They are one of the broadest genres in gaming.
>>743306137This was basically the goal of spec ops the line and look at what the average /v/tard thinks of it lmao
>>743326135The 4 same scientists, the same corridor textures, marathon got backtracking
>>743276873multiplayer
>>743330956OG Battlefield 2 lobbies are something magical.
>>743276873Matchmaking, censorship and lack of community made content
>>743276873the need to build games FOR the competative scene and leaving FUN in the backseat
>>743276873Jews
>>743330579if you're going to be pedantic like that i'm going to be counter pedantic. "shooter" is not a genre. the only reason it's possible to tell this thread is about first-person shooters is op's image. a first-person shooter, twin stick shooter, shoot 'em up, and on-rails shooter may all be "shooter games" but they are not the same genre. first-person shooters and third-person shooters are the same genre however.
>>743276873Choice.
>>743276873They stopped being a majority of 3D games released to PC
>>743276873009 Sound System Dreamscape
>>743276873He's stealing your posts to make a video you morons.
Esports. /thread.
>>743321609>>743321868>>743322317>>743322785>overwatch>ASSFAGGOTSAlso I swear I've seen this conversation before.
>>743319873and what caused the virginity rates to rise? hint it starts with smart and ends with phones
>>743333835>and what caused the virginity rates to rise?Economy crashing and never recovering. Same with suicide rates.
>>743333186kek
>>743312426Both are good and still exist, keep malding.
>>743277036Pretty bad take to levy against Halo 1 specifically considering it still had a health system that acted as resource management.
>>743331778Then OP should specify. But as usual, OP is a bitch.
>>743330709You know that's not what I meant. Half-Life and Marathon do not recycle entire levels and rooms.
>>743338587They do thats why most of their levels look the same
>>743276873Casuals
>>743289427t. cheater subhuman faggot, kys favela monkey trash
>>743276873CS. Slow shit for slowbrains, which is why arena shooters died. Lowest common denominator always wins in the end.
>>743277036this
>>743277005/thread
>>743276873BF2 introduced weapon unlocks for kills and either CoD 2 or 4 introduced XP unlocks which permeated in every game and every genre even going so far as to have RTS games with XP. Now people will cry bloody murder without their xp unlock dopamine fix. The parody videos of CoD xp unlocks have NOTHING on the spamfest unlock systems of modern games like BF6 where everything you do gets 6 awards. Its disgusting. Valve with their Hat system and blatant lootcrates and now skins destroyed anything that was left to salvage. It is all beyond redemption and nothing can change it.Humans in general are AIDS. Pure AIDS. They buy the skins. They buy the season passes. They buy the DLC. They use the real money markets. They buy the subscriptions. They buy the currencies. They buy the horse armors. They buy everything and it will never. ever. stop.Humans are a virus. They are worse than a virus. They need to be exterminated.
>>743341935why did valve make a console shooter into a pc exclusive, are they retarded?
>>743341935>CS. Slow shit for slowbrains, which is why arena shooters died
>>743298262Nope, uses portals
>>743342980There are dozens upon dozens of dead games that would have thousands upon thousands of players if the people that claimed to love them actually played them. But they are all dead.
>>743343196>why arent you playing a game that is offline and unplayable
>>743276873streamers / ecelebs
>>743343405What's stopping you from downloading Quake live, UT, or CPMA, going to the server browser, and playing?
>>743276873Compfags
>>743310661Not an argument. I accept your concession.
