So... Am I supposed to know who this is? And why is he carrying Cloud? Is that Cloud's clone or some other dumb shit?
>>743564724>Am I supposed to know who this is?A hastily done disposable plotdevice merely for Cloud's backstory who was abruptly inserted into the scenerio in the last month of 1996.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkyPaoxz1mU&t=3000
FF7R relies upon you having played FF7.The whole point of the Whispers is that they are struggling to force the characters in the remake to follow the script of the original game, much like the fanbase itself.
>>743564724Why is Zack so prominent on the cover of Rebirth? He's a non-character who literally does nothing.
>>743564724Zack feels like a character from Kingdom Hearts instead of FF7. I hate his generic ass anime personality, they should've kept him as just a plot device.
>>743565514Square has been retconning Zack and forcing him into a parallel main character to Cloud in the FF7 series of games/movies since 2007 with Crisis Core.
>>743565418So I'm supposed to play FF7 before? What's even the point of that? What else? Am I supposed to read some novels, play some obscure mobile games or some other shit to understand this convoluted plot?
>>743565514In his world the holy materia is still white instead of clear that will be important.
>>743565514I dread what they're planning to do with him in Revelation.
Buy a fucking ad.
>>743565636You don't need to play the original, but the remakes are quasi-sequels as well and it helps to have some awareness of the basic plot beats to catch everything
>>743565636The first two Resident Evil Remakes were the same way; they partially relies on the player having memories of the original games in order to play with their expectations and also reward those who remembered certain things through repeat playthroughs.
>>743564724Do you read a new book, expecting to know all of its contents?
>>743565695Buy an ad for what
>>743565784For the garbage you keep shilling.
whenever a game decides to introduce multiple timelines or dimensions, I check outaren't there like 4 Soras in Kingdom Hearts by now and 20+ Keyblades despite it being a legendary unique weapon that chooses a single wielder?
>>743564724I'm a bit concerned with Zack having a bigger role in Revelation because after the time jannies he's been the worst addition to these remakes, I don't want to spend time playing as him or as Aerith in worthless Lifestream shenanigans that amount to nothing. Like what was even the point to showing Zack in Remake? What was the point to him being more prominent in Rebirth? I fucking hate whoever came up with the idea of bringing a dead character back.
>>743566592It's multiverse that'll pave the way to a new Expanded Universe Final Fantasy VII franchise.
>>743566592Because there are different timelines? Did you play the game?
>>743565514If you're a retarded boomer who doesn't matter (only played FF7 and then forgot about the series), this is a game for actual fans of FF7 (the franchise, not the singular game)>>743565636It's a sequel retard yes you're supposed to have played the game that comes before
>>743565636Bait.
>>743565636Yes, you also need to have watched the shitty movie and at least two spinoffs.
>>743566943So will Moogle Cid show up, tell us the FF universe was a product of an ancient, time controlling civilization, and Sephiroth is using their technology to stop his bad future in his OG universe?FF7R's Sephiroth is Dissidia Sephiroth by the way.
>>743567034The word you're looking for is Compilation and it's nothing to do with FF7 or the people who liked it.
Played remake and never have played og. It was fun game. Gonna play sequel at somepoint too. Keep it up guys. And yes. You are guys.
>>743567202>it's nothing to do with FF7You're in the wrong no matter how much you try to convince yourself you aren't. It's fine to only like the original game, but to go out of your way to pretend you're some kind of purist and everyone else is wrong just makes you look like a retard.
The timelines will all meet up to fight Bizarro Sephiroth like how you swapped parties during that fight in the original. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point a PS1-era team enters the fight to show that even the original timeline the Whispers want is fighting with everyone to save the planet.
>>743567373So retarded I can believe it.
that's cloud 2
>>743567373It ends with Aerith within the Lifestream in every timeline casting Holy.
I don't understand this. I just played and beat FFVII and I still don't give a shit about this guy but the games keep acting like I should.
>>743564724>Am I supposed to know who this is? And why is he carrying Cloud? Not really, Aerith mentioned before she had a 1st class soldier boyfriend. Maybe he's the one?>Is that Cloud's clone or some other dumb shit?Maybe thats how Cloud got to midgar? that's gotta be the past.
>>743567585He was pretty cool in Crisis Core, minus the Gackt parts.
>>743567703Gackt was the second best part of CC, hope he shows up in Revelation
>>743567585He's cool in his own game and the 5 minutes he appears in the OG, that's about it.
>>743567585You should care, because Cloud cares. He is the guy Cloud always wanted to be, and was his pal that saved him.
>>743566972Its been 2 games and 6 years of teasing Zack eventually being relevant and having a bigger role and nobody cares or even wants it
>>743567803Why does Cloud want to be some generic shounen faggot anyway? He's already cooler than Zack and women want Cloud's dick way more
Im genuinely baffled by the decisions made in these games.We want to make sure its clear this is a different universeBut every single story beat of the originals still happens?Then they just execute them in a stupider fashion
>>743567034>It's a sequel retard>Final Fantasy VII:REMAKEWAAAOW, SO OBVIOUS.
>>743568157>re·make>make (something) again or differently.Square are trolls.
>FF7 Rebirth starts>Gives you control of SephirothOh man they're gonna make him insane he'll one shot everything>He barely kills enemies faster than cloud who they just had a full cutscene where he trips on his own feet and looks like a complete retardCan they genuinely do ANYTHING right
>>743568425Only for retards like you.
>>743568425its actually zack trippin'
>>743568539>>743568863NTA but the original version of Cloud and Sephiroth fighting that dragon was literally perfect in demonstrating just how insanely strong Sephiroth when he was alive.>dragon takes miniscule damage from Cloud and one-shots Cloud with every attack>Sephiroth can instantly revive Cloud whenever he gets knocked out>Sephiroth slashes the dragon twice in one turn for 3000 damage each>Sephiroth casts max level magic at the dragon tooEveryone talks about the Midgar Zolom being skewered but the flashback dragon fight was way more effective. Also the music during it is that ominous loop of Those Chosen By The Planet where it's just the opening part with the bell tolling.
>>743569076At the cost of making Cloud be super weak and not really 1st soldier class + Not being playable at all
And people still get mad just because they haven't fully explained the X connection yet. I swear, retards don't get spoonfed every answer immediately and start complaining about bad writing and nothing making any sense.
>>743564724He wasn't even in the original japanese release he was added in the International rerelease.
They don't only want to mess up FF 7, thez also want to destroy Crisis Core and it's nice little story too.
Crisis Core exemplifies everything that is wrong with prequel in general.Hey did you know that it was Zack who named 7th heaven? Oh and that it was originally Zack who fell through the church roof? YAAAAWN
>>743570095Cloud was a Zack clone, so a Zack clone needs to do what the original did.
>>743567373>at some point a PS1-era team enters the fightI would unironically enjoy that very much.
>>743570295so would I, as it would tie up all the issues and confusion with the timelines and bring everything back into a single new continuity
Them sanitizing wallmarket and that new theme jesus
>>743569901He's a hurriedly created plot device >>743565313 and was recycled from Cloud's early design.Just as another cheap plot device and cheap "heroine" substitute aka Tifa was literally plagiarized from an existing porn game. >>743564718https://i.4cdn.org/v/1783779021938830.jpg
you could say the same shit about any character that gets added to any story ever the first time they show upyou are fucking retarded and should kill yourself to save humanity from your stupidity
Zack is my OC, and he is so strong he beat God to death with his bare hands.
>>743564724>Am I supposed to know who this is?You have to play the real FF7 before touching this parasite. But it's also supposed to be your "first FF7" experience if you haven't done so. Unfortunately (for the hack director), this leads to bewildering scenes such as that, and far worse, the one with the random-ass cartoon cat being dramatic over the sector crashing down.
What they did to Zacks death in Crisis Core was criminal.
>>743570785He could have survived, if he only took down those last three Shinra grunts.
>>743570785could be worseget ready forsepiroth was a good guy all along and it was jenova fault
>>743570916>sepiroth was a good guy all along and it was jenova faultI wouldn't be surprised if young Sephy shows and he fights beside you.
>>743570785They thought Zack needed to be a badass instead of getting unsportingly shot while he tried to do something selfless despite the threat to his own life and help get his friend (Cloud) run away from the soldiers with him.Some people just don't get their own stories.
>>743571015total character rape if they do itthats why i hate sequels
>>743570785The price of freedom has no meaning with this turn of events. I consider the Remake trilogy as non-canon at this point.
>>743570610I'd like to ask you a question, but you have to promise to stay calm
So why did Dyne turn into Tetsuo from Ankira?>They also removed that part when you are about to get yanked by some weirdo and Barrett shoots himPussies
>>743571441>Akira
>>743571441It was when I started arguing with anyone who disliked the new Dyne scene that I finally accepted that it's true - there is no criticism of the VIIR games that I'd accept. I WILL find a way to deem any criticism wrong.
>>743565636Yup. Including Final Fantasy X/X-2 and the Ultimania guides.
>>743571619settle down nega-barry
>>743571441>Dyne doesn't commit suicide Oh so Barrett finished him off and has to carry that bagage? No you see we dumped that on some random Shinra trooper.lmao
>>743571779I guess I am like him. He couldn't accept any criticism of his favourite FF game either.
ill be honest. all these years of Remake and Rebirth threads have made me dislike even the OG FF7. like, it showed me it was never that good. but a fluke that only got where it is due to timing and sheer luck. then again, im a XII-fag, so who cares what i think...
>>743571441Remake made him into some violent shizo that screams all the time, and who wanted to die by cop.In the OG he was clear minded, and a cold blooded killer who was going to murder his own daughter. I really don't get why they needed to make things more bombastic.
>>743571619more lore always means more rightretconning is beautiful
>>743572010Look at that great outfit.And nowadays they make Tifa wear an undershirt and spats.
>>743572010I disagree with you, but I also love FFXII.
>>743572161>In the OG he was clear minded, and a cold blooded killer who was going to murder his own daughter. No only that in OG he was the head honcho running Corel Prison like a tyrant in Remake he's some guy in a cuckshed
>>743570785I never enjoyed the spinn offs, games or other media, so never looked into them.Can someone give me a qrd of what happened in CC?
I like FF7R for taking a bunch of weird, low quality chibi sprites, and making them into very cute or beautiful women.
>>743564724>Am I supposed to know who this is?Not really. This is more to shock and surprise people who already played the previous games but later on they'll properly introduce him for a plot twist. In fact, not knowing who he is would make the plot twist more interesting but playing the original or Crisis Core would totally ruin that.
>>743565636You are supposed to:Play three games (VII, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus)Read two novels (On the Way to a Smile, The Kids Are Alright: A Turks Side Story)Watch an OVA and a movie (Last Order, Advent Children)This is the minimum you must consume before playing the demake/sequel.
>>743571269just because i cuss doesn't mean i'm not calm eh? but go ahead
>>743572784OkIf SE made a final fantasy themed mario kart clone (not chocobo racing) who would you most like to pick as your driver?
>>743572275The only thing you need to know from CC is that there was this other supersoldier like Sephiroth called Genesis and it was him who planted seeds of doubt in Sephy that led to his insanity.
>>743573058You will never meet a Crisis Core fan who doesn't have autism or some other neurological defect or emotional issues. It's fascinating.
>>743572996but why? anyway sepiroth
>>743572727>no Before Crisis>no Ever Crisis>No Last Order>no Traces of Two PastsCome on man. Also, Before Crisis is the bare minimum.
>>743565636What a horrible rage bait anon you should be ashamed, no wonder you can't get a girlfriend.
>>743573431You're angry because it's true.
>>743569352Wasn’t cloud never first class? Isn’t the point him being an unreliable narrator?
>>743573138CC in general is hilariously redundant, oh here's a character called Angeal who serves as the backstory of the bustersword. Who fucking cares about this? It might as well been Zacks, the game also barely has any interactions between Cloud and Zack.
>>743573058>>743573138>>743573594Crisis Core… Advent Children… DIRGE OF CERBERUS… you understand nothing of FFVII unless you understand all of them, let them into your heart as one true canon…
Zack is not canon outside of the two OG FF7 flashbacks
>>743573558Are you so unlikeable the only way you have of starting a conversation is through drama?
>>743564724no you are not you retard just played the beginning of the trilogy, you will get answers at the last part.
>>743565418no it literally doesnt you stupid mother fucker>>743565636you are not supposed to play it why are you stupid fucking people so stupid you play the beginning of a story and then complain you dont have all the answers hey retard the story is not finished yet wtf is wrong with you morons?
>>743573594Fvii is my favorite game, but I’m completely alienated by the kingdom hearts narratives, why is Japan like this? They always overcompensate their writing until it flanderizes itself and somehow inexplicably they like it even more until it’s masticated into theater tier entertainment
>>743573728He was Aerith's boyfriend, who was going to crash at her place if he brought zombie Cloud back to Midgar alive.
>>743570680another retarded moron, either you cunts didnt play the og or the remakehey assholes zack is only explained at pretty much the end of hte story/end of the second diskdo you retarded apes also watch one part of a trilogy movie and then complain you dont have all the answers?i swear to god ff7 haters are mentally retarded
>>743564724No you are not supposed to know him yet, in og he is basically the answer to the last and biggest twist of the entire story.
>>743573910and then he died and Cloud married Aerith
Why did they turn the classic Shinra helicopter into a Sikorsky Black Hawk? Why are they deleting the original steampunk/dieselpunk styl
>>743574470
>Rebirth asking me if I'm finally going to finish it after two years now that I've run out of side content for where I'm at and have to sit through more cringe-ass main story cutscenes
>>743565313And then they expanded the character in the international version and he became Nojima's favorite character.
>>743574470>>743574520cheap unreal assets vs hiring skilled artists.
>>743574695It happened pre Unreal Engine they revised the design in CC and AC
>>743564724The storytelling of these new games are abysmal. Yeah I get they’re stealth sequels but it’s like they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want new fans onboard but want to please the old ones who experienced all the extended universe stuff. Pick one. If I hadn’t played the original, I’d be checked out because the story they’re telling is so uninteresting
Still curious about the history between Cyber-Connect 2 and Square on these remakes. What was the extent of CC2's contribution, were they pissed at losing the project, etc.
>>743574883It is really dumb how Rebirth had the tagline "the unknown journey continues" and then the story is 90% the same as the original. I was really hoping after Remake that future games would do something completely new.
>>743567373They already did that in rebirth
>>743574975Yeah it looks like they straight up backtracked on the ending of Remake after the backlash and it’s obvious. Sephiroth at the end of Remake was clearly supposed to be AC Sephiroth from the future but now we don’t know what the fuck he is. They’re probably going to drop it. The team supposedly broke destiny by destroying the master Whisper but nope that meant nothing.
>>743569076everything is more ominous in the original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJx116vWvPAhttps://youtu.be/Glr8_MMjdlQ?si=Hwy24xRXv93MAiaJ&t=231they make deliberate choices to not be as creepy. How Sephiroth looks, how he acts. A bunch of this is the difficulty of having to make realistic shit out of abstractions but you can't say the scenes linked have the same goals/mood.
>>743567428>>743567373>The timelines will all meet up to fight Bizarro Sephiroth like how you swapped parties during that fight in the originalBut that's literally Rebirth's ending.
>>743575161>The team supposedly broke destiny by destroying the master Whisper but nope that meant nothing.>The game goes as far to gaslight you if you get the red xiii date>We can't defy destiny Cloud
>>743564724>The new trilogy is a good entry point for new FF7 fans that haven't experienced the story yet!>Part 1 pretty much reveals THE plot twist of the story, as well as teasing/foreshadowing events and other backstory shit from the spinoffs/compendiumNot to mention the OG had fuck all to do with alternate timeline bullshit, or ghost jannies or whatever convoluted fanfic they are trying to write. But good on them to add in all this extra bullshit only for it to wrap up the same way as the OG I guess.
I'm just glad that bitch Aerith will remain dead and that Tifa, despite having no more competition, will still be cucked by a dead woman.
>>743574883>>743574975This is what we get because they split the game in three parts. Instead of whatever the vision was the full package. It plays more out like a TV series where fan rankings ressurect a character etc.
>>743574975i'm pretty sure i didntt fight sepiroth before leaving midgar in the original type adventure childrenbut i may be wrong who knows
>>743564724It's Cloud's ex bf
FF7 Remake is the worst of both worlds When it tries to recreate the original for some reason it's always for the worse. When it does something different it's usually something such as the flying cumrags or fighting Sephiroth for the 50th time.
>>743572275A man named "Gackt" made Sephiroth question his own self-worth, leading to Sephiroth's insanity.You're meant to love Zack as being a confident and extroverted Cloud.You're meant to love Sephiroth, because he's whimsical~
I don't think FFVII's scenario benefits from more exploration.
>>743576249The Gi in the OG were one of those things that sounds like it could have come from a completely different game, by just how alien they were to the setting. Though, I wouldn't have gone as far as FF7R did.
>>743575996Idk who’s stupid ass idea was it to make Sephiroth the final boss of Rebirth AND have him unquestionably get defeated by the party. That’ll make three games in a row where Sephiroth is the final boss. He’s no longer a threat by the time you fight him for the umpteenth time. They could have ended Rebirth with Jenova or Bizzaro Sephiroth but retardation kicked in
>>743573587cloud was never even a SOLDIER but got mako infusion as if to make him one, mostly because hojo was bored
>>743564724They are Poochiefying Zack, fuck.
>>743576842SE can't have him be the final boss, and expect players to give a damn. They burned that hype to the ground with Cloud, Zack, and Aerith humiliating him. Not even Seraph Sephiroth is going to fix this shitshow. SE is going to need to make another final boss.
>>743576358The whole Gi bloat made me wise that there was consulting going on for the writing of Rebirth, like full scenarios in the game made by tourists.
>>743576042Is it possible that Tetsuya Nomura had control of this project?
>>743577363The Gi bloat was already a thing in the OG, since it was one of those poorly thought out side quests to give the fire cat some character development.Remake just ballooned it even more.
>>743577470>Remake just ballooned it even more.Yeah, one of many bad decisions.
>>743574432aeris is dead, she's marrying nobody
>>743578073Yeah, and Tifa is alive, but still not married.Shippers are going to have to accept Cloud is now a delivery man who is away from home for days on end, has a couple of adopted kids, and Tifa is more like a business partner who handles the paperwork.
>>743578218Tifa marries Barret. Cloud gets caged.
>>743565636>play some obscure mobile gameskek but also you overdid your trolling by mentioning this
>>743565862>me going to Square Enix HQ after talking about a video game makes me a shill
>>743579271It's kind of funny, but I really don't think Zack would have acted like a greedy prick like Cloud did in the beginning of the game. Did Cloud think Zack was really like this, or was he just acting like what he thought a typical cool, edgy mercenary would be?
>>743579463It's still Cloud's demeanor, and some part of him knowing something is wrong. Basically he has some of Zack's memories and thinks he's Zack but he's still Cloud and behaves like Cloud, because of him being locked up in a mako tank with Zack for 4-5 years in the basement of Shinra Manor. It's mako magic bro, ain't gotta explain shit
>>743579463Probably the latter, or maybe a personal wish-fulfillment thing since there's a point made of him starting fights a lot when he was little, now he gets to be Billy Badass who can be a cool aloof asshole to everybody because he thinks he can kick anyone's ass. Or maybe they just thought they could sell the character on that appeal to the player to start since it's a pretty anime-coolguy trope in general.
>>743579271I think it's just a merge of Zack's idea to become mercs and Cloud's "fee" being the same amount of money his mother gave him when he set off
>has to necrobump his dead thread while talks alonePathetic.
>>743564724Isn't that Clouud? I assume we'll meet Clouuud in part 3
>>743579463Given how Crisis Core interpreted Zack, I'd say the Cloud we all know from the OG is a mix of Zack and Pre-schizo Sephiroth rather than just Zack.
>>743576042I had completely memory holed hackt from existence, ruined degen fujo content as if it didn’t seem possible
>>743564724you can complete the original ff7 in 20 to 30 hours if you play casually without completing any side content. even faster if you just blaze through it with the boost features and no encounters. you have no excuse.
>>743583843If you do that you will barely know who zack is.
>>743568007>Why does Cloud want to be some generic shounen faggot anyway? cloud always desired to be in soldier. zack was literally his idle.>He's already cooler than Zack cloud literally mimicked zack's expressions due to his mako induced psychosis, you are indirectly contradicting yourself>women want Cloud's dick way moreaerith was in love with zack. tifa always like cloud. the two are equally loved so this point is invalid too.in short, educate yourself you filthy tourist
>>743584064Aerith loves Cloud more than ZackIf anyone is loyal to Zack it's Cissnei
>>743583951the lore behind zack and the realisation that cloud was never in soldier is part of the mandatory storyline. not something you can skip. the only side content involving zack is finding his parents at gongaga which offers very little value.
>>743584152>aerisnice try. that's not aerith, nor is it canon.
>>743584597It's about OG
>>743564724that's cloud and cloud's brother from final fantashee cris core electric boogaloo
>>743569076They fucked this scene up so hard in rebirth it's criminal kek
>>743565313He is gonna fuck Aerith, let it go koiamla
Barret and tifa are so cute together. I like that they get canonically married in AC
Zack living to get to Midgar is a cool idea of a AU, but the way it happens in FF7R is stupid. All of Avalanche dying, including Aerith and Red, makes no sense whatsoever, and it just happens to make melodrama.
>>743564724He is timeline lord and Cloud's wingmanHe will be instrumental in reuniting Aerith with Cloud in part3
>>743573984Zack was pretty much irrelevant, his whole characterization was an optional scene lol
>>743586392Zack, 1st class SOLDIER.Gets pasted by a bunch of rent-a-cop Shinra mooks. Cloud nearly dying in the first few hours makes a lot of sense, if that is his hero.
>>743586498He was stuck in the mako pickling tanks for years
>>743564724Me?Gongaga
>>743587198Zack was a retard.Instead of going to Midgar, why didn't he go back to Gongaga? It's much closer to Nibelheim, and having friends and family there, meant he could have gotten a place to rest and recover.
>>743586392Through Zack, story talks about identity and legacy. It show that person is not only their past or what they did before, but also values they leave for other people. He always try stay positive, even when world around him is very cynical. Because of this, he help show one of main ideas in Final Fantasy VII: kindness and not giving up can still stay strong even after people lose important things.
>>743587694He went to Gongaga first, but Cissnei caught up with him before they got there and said the town was being watched by Shinra so he went to Midgar instead.
>>743564724That's Zack. You may have seen him before in the first series, Saved by the Bell.He routinely uses his power to stop time to self-narrate events.
>>743588554Midgar, the headquarters of Shinra.
>>743590247It's a lot easier to disappear in a city of hundreds of thousands vs a town with 4 buildings
>>743590325But he was going to crash at Aerith's place, the girl monitored by his old friends the Turks.
>>743590485Did Zack know that Truks watch Aeris?
